T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'funny campaign underway to destroy jp morgan by buying physical silver, I see' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Genesius: 'The strengths and deliciousness of Kabobs are directly proportional to the hunger and palate of the consumer. Discuss.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'I like anything meaty.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Genesius: 'That's what she said.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'or, "whats that HE said"' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'In Palastine, the people who were elected to the parliament control the country politically. What's your point?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I think potatoes are betters than carrots' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'So do I.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brave New Soma: 'what about raw potatoes vs raw carrots?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'not much of a debate....' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'it'd be carrots in that case soma :P' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I have a baked potato right here right now. Your argument is invalid.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GI-Joe Vlazin: 'I think that peas stand alone above the competition. ' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'you're obviously wrong' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'I'm pretty sure the cheese stands along.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'I'm pretty sure the cheese stands alone.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'you can't deep fry peas :P' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GI-Joe Vlazin: 'Cheese in the presence of peas is very very good. However Peas > potatos+Carrots' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I wouldn't bet on that, Jek.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'And a bean don't burn on the grill.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'I'm also pretty sure that fish don't fry in the kitchen.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Soak 'em in gasoline.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'depends on the kitchen' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'are we eating them, or making pea bombs?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Heheh' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GI-Joe Vlazin: 'Soy beans are tastey. Edemame is super good.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'if it's an outdoor kitchen, for example, you probably incorporated the grill into your kitchen countertop space.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'and some newer kitchens have a builtin grilltop.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'But if you have such a kitchen, then you're clearly not moving on up.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Really, I think the conclusion of all of this is that I need to go get myself the stuff to make kabobs. ' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'chicken, steak, peppers and onions = greatest kebobs ever' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'no debate there' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'and shrimp' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Ah, mixed! Like!' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I like mixed, like my women' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Kinjin is a bigot because he hates kabobs.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dr Jek is agreeing with that Xaxz person again... T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'yeah, kinjin def. hates kabobs' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Totally agree.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely. T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I think he might've had a tramatic experience with kebobs as a child' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'I hear he crashes parties and throws their kabobs in the trash.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'I myself have a muslim-kabob theory about his childhood' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'a muslim gave him a kabob that wasn't cooked all the way through, and gave him food poisoning' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Maybe it was a turk-kabob.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'well that'd be understandable' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'And he felt betrayed.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'undercooked meat is like spitting in someone's face' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Unless it's a steak.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'then you send it back and thell them to cook that thing' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'man, this is making me hungry. I haven't been to a brazillian steak house in forever' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'if it's sushi you leave and go get real food :P j/k' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Or, sushi as i stated on newbie. Love that channel, type it too quick.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'hey now, don't be hatin' on sushi' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Well, gotta gree.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'sushi is the best food ever invented. Agree/Disagree?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Disagree.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Disagree. It's good, but there are many better foods.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'disagree, it's obviously breaded and seasoned french fries' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Kahbobs are the "stock food" for the Middle East.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: '..... *tear*' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'french fries aren't normally breaded and seasoned?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'not always' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'damn, I'm really spoiled.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'that you are' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'And we all know by know, that kabob is the best food around.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'In the U.S. we have the "sandwich" -- take anything in the kitchen and stick it between two pieces of bread.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'pie > kabob' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh god yes, pumpkin pie.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I like both kids of cherry pie' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir smacks Tutal out of her boots with a sign reading "NO !!" T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'In Mexico, it's "take anything in the kitchen, and put it in a tortilla."' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I am so looking forward to Thanksgiving.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'kinds*' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'In the Middle East, it's "take anything, and stick it on a skewer.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'And we love them for it.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'except cow though, right? they don't eat cow I thought' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I tried the tortilla thing with peanut butter and jelly. Didn't work as well as I'd like.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'has to be halal tho' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tloque: 'Christ Jek, you're thinking Hindu.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'No, you're thinking of Hindus.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'oh, interesting bit about hindus' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Isn't halal the way they kill food, instead of a type of food?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'both' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so much ignorance in this conversation' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I'm not a religous scholar, my bad :/' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's means more or less the same as kosher' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Never ignore kabobs.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'asked an indian co-worker the other day; eating cows has nothing to do about religion' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Muslims aren't supposed to eat pork. Then again, some would argue that Christian's aren't supposed to eat pork either.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Jek phrased HIS ignorance in a question, accepting a chance of being wrong.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'they just view the cow as being worth so much more alive than dead (milk, etc) that it's an insult to kill it just for its meat' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Or shellfish.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'It depends on how literally you take Leviticus.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'nobody should eat pork unless they'd also eat small children' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'children taste fine though....' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'I'd eat small children.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'sure you would' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'veal?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'I'd say small children don't have enough meat. I'd eat teenagers though.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'But the children are so much more tender' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tloque: 'I'd eat teenagers just 'cause they're such assholes :P' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Isn't seeing the connection between pork and small children.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'you can have fun tenderizing the teenagers, though' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you like the taste of ass?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Don't we all?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tloque: 'I've tossed a few salads in my time, yes.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'you call children 'long' pork' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Though, it doesn't really taste like anything if you bathe properly.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'nope, children = hairless goat' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'children - the other other white meat' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'everyone else is longpork or longpig' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Is there a channel where i can express my love for the people playing Aardwolf? ;)' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I hear in some cultures, they eat longcat.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'echo' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'curse, sathre' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'aye, I once heard of the mythic longcat' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'If you'll eat Rocky Mountain oysters, that's more than enough.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sathre falls down laughing. T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xaxz implies with his middle finger that he would like Sathre to fuck off! T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Debate is a curse channel?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I eat chinese food now and again, cat tastes fine to me' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Sweeet.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'yes' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'yep, this is the less-tame version of gossip' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'that's why we talk about controversial subjects like kabobs vs. sushi' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'monkeyburgers are good' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'My mother works for the humane society: I keep telling her they could make a tidy profit if they'd sell chinese food on the side.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Yeah, kabobs vs sushi is pretty risque (sp?)' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Ooo that is a good one Jhav.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Rembrant: pigs are intelligent and emotional animals. killing and eating one is about the same as doing so to a 3 year old child.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'cats have so much damn hair though' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a pig would have no problems eating you, fiendish ;)' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the are pretty smart tho' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'are they omnis or herbis?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Bah, one could say that about a lot of animals the world eats.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tloque: 'At least us Chinese folks don't lie to ourselves about all the shitty meat we're willing to eat - Americans just repackage it into "chicken nuggets" and the like.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: '3 year old children are dirtier than pigs...i want no part in eating them' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'xaxz: so don't eat them' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'pigs will eat anything' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kinjin falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically. T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Berakhan: 'pigs? eat anything thats in front of them' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'But they taste so GOOOD!!' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Berakhan: 'strong strongs and teeeth as well' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinjin: 'including small children' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'ribss, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'fiendish--are you arguing from a religious point of view, moralist, or something else?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Berakhan: 'er, strong jaws' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Stokes: i'm not religious' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'also, fiendish--does this mean you are opposed to bacon?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'so...giant goats with corkscrew penises?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav peers intently at Tutal. T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'What about turkey bacon?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'turkey bacon is not bacon.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'I was never that big of a fan :/' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'lol, I know' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'SHhhh... this is debate' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'turkey bacon? wtf?! this is an insult' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'also, I could never cook it without burning it. Always had to get one of my egyptian friends ot make it for me' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Don't bring real facts into this' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'what about those wafer things that come in pink, white, and brown? Those those things rock' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'accept the choclate ones' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'the cookie things?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'except*' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yeah, I forget what you call them' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'voortman wafers or something' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'those are awesome.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'pocky(sp?) is better' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I get the buckets that just have half sized pink ones' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Pocky? Not a fan.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'never had it' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'I just realized something. Nobody's ever tried to do beef bacon.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'wonder how that would turn out?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'I'm not sure.. I know that you can do a bacon-burger, though I've never tried one' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Stokes: your tells seem to indicate a conflict of understanding. Allow me to preempt further questions by telling you that I support most medical research on animals, because I think that you can balance saving and improving the lives of humans against the suffering caused to the animals. But killing animals for food, especially with modern factory farming practices, is something you can't reconcile if you care at all about how much suffering you inflict on others' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Berakhan: 'makes me think of jerky for some reason..the beef bacon' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'without resorting to hypocrisy' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'I asked 1 question, there was no lack of understanding there--I was just wondering where your "line" was' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'meat is gud tho' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'so, are freerange cattle ok to you?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'e.g. as long as it grows up outside, instead of in a box, all is good?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'You can grow people outside.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'until you start paying attention to the laws and stuff surrounding these supposedly better practices.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'tutal--wha?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Stokes: are you ok with taking small children from a playground and killing them for food because they taste good? If not, why? If so, why?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'their parents would probably be upset' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'I wonder what Fiendish his interest is in Stokes' opinion.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'quick answer: I view people on a higher plane than animals.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Stokes: pigs are demonstrably smarter and more capable than 3 year olds. ' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'but they have reached their maximum intelligence at that point' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what about developmentally disabled people?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'I'd debate Fiendish isn't interested in what Stokes has to say at all, but is all about winning a conversation.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'err. pigs can talk, read and write?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'they don't have another 80+ years of learning to do' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'are you going to farm retarded people, then?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'Oooh...' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'see above comment' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I wonder what they taste like' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'I see people as worth more than animals, QED' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'Varies from person to person.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'retarded people may have also reached their maximal point' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'doubtful' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Stokes: for what reason?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'by what metric?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'most mentally handicaped people learn slower--they don't just stop' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Fiendish, you're hitting your own nuts by saying 'retarted people'.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'plenty of retarded people will never be as smart or capable as a pig' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Sathre: learn english' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Fiendish, i still do.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: '2 sides to this argument' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: '1) greater societal good' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: '2) religion' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Berakhan: 'but farming old and mentally ill would lower taxes!' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dwaas: 'Aren't those two mutually exclusive' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'I'm on the religious side of things when it comes to retarded people' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'there's no way old people taste good' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'but I can see how if I was an athiest, I might be ok not feeding them/etc.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so the reason you believe that it's ok to eat animals but not retarded people is because the people have souls?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'not really, all that food would end up getting into the fit people, resulting in higher health costs.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'actually, another point--people eating people would almost certainly lead to higher disease rates' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'that's how cannibalism works' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'eating any animals does that' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I wouldn't particularly mind if people ate me once I died. But I doubt I'd taste very good by that point.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'eating animals increases chance of disease? far from it. Eating animals ensures that I don't get all malnurished/etc.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'Prion city.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'er, malnourished' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'I cringed when I saw that typo, haha' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Stokes: yes.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Yeah watch for typo's, Fiendish hates them.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'they only bother me when they're my own' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'I used to cringe at other peoples' as well, but that gradually wore off' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'well, presumably they'd wash you first. If folks are retardedly freakazoid about hygiene around food, they're only going to get even moreso when someone's brother/father/uncle/whatever is lying on their plate.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Berakhan: 'i better not type too much, my typing loooks like i just throw golf balls at my keyboard' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'Famous last words, "Eat me!"' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'anyway, back to our original topic; I do think that cannibalism comes with a reasonable chance of disease, but I can't remember any sources off the top of my head' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'as for the whole soul thing--eating the body wouldn't have an effect on the soul, if that's what you're trying to imply' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'I wonder what would happen to your Aardwolf account, if you become news on international TV that you've been eaten.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'but the whole murder thing is morally NotGood(tm) in my eyes' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'cannibalism primarily increases risk of disease if you eat nerve tissue and organs, which is a stupid thing to do anyway' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but eating meat incrases risks of many diseases' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Do you eat meat, Fiendish?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'why do you ask?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'Cause the debate got me interested.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'eitehr way--kiling a human for food is bad, in my eyes. killing an animal for food is not' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'your death is automatically broadcast to important institutions so they don't keep racking up interest and such. While I'm sure Aardwolf isn't on that list, at some point your character would archive or whatever.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'if pigs are so smart why don't they rebel against us?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'afk. dinner.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'eating any animal after it died of natural caues is generally a bad idea' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'they did. Haven't you read the news (Animal Farm)?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'the sum of those 2 points pretty well rules out cannibalism as a valid option for me ' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: ';)' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'someone else argue about... anything, in here' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'so I won't have to read the gossip channel' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'interesting foods to deepfry and why. Go.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'so, TrueStory(tm)' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'on a similar tangent, how do we know if plants like being eaten or not?' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'in collage, friend found a moldy sandwich in the fridge' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'being a scientist, he knew that deep-frying it would kill all bacteria' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'so he deep fried it before eating it for dinner' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'easy. We don't end up getting sick because they released some sort of poison or irritant.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'Killing bacteria is NOT the same as making food safe to eat. What about all the toxins and byproducts they leave behind? Some of them can survive hundreds of degrees before denaturing, at least theoretically, since we don't know what bacteria were there...' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'AFAIK, only yellow mold has srs toxins in it' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'black too, but we generally don't eat that.' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mold is usually antibacterial, too' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'gogo pencillin!' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'er, penicillin' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'oh my, gossip is getting lively again' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir comforts Stokes. T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you can always turn it off ;)' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'no.. I can't' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'I can't look away' T3/r1/2010-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'this is like those penis mutilation videos' T3/r1/2010-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'burt bacharach is a top-tier piano player, technically speaking' T3/r1/2010-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'North Korea mortars South Korea -- President Barack Obama screwed' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'well 17th amendment is eh/nay ... lot less important than the 19th amendment' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'lucky for the world, im not a scotus judge :-/ ... although things would be a lot better if i was!' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Heh.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Shrugs, I think most citizens want to be making decisions about who's in their government rather than having government make decisions about who's in their government' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'I keep joking about running for president in 2012, just to spend a solid week or two running al the riff-raff out, then retire.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'leinei, but the citizens are making the decisions about who's in their government' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'its a 2 sided sword leinei.. i agree people want to vote for who they want to represent them.. but the other side of the argument is these same people will not take time to study what is truely best for their country and all that.. they just simply vote by who they are told to on tv = very vad.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not if the 17th amendment is repealed' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, even without the 17th amendment' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'eh, indirectly' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the citizens voted for the people to make the decision' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Acid, members of government are people too, and it can be argued that they would be more likely to vote on party lines or nonissue propaganda crap than on who the best candidate is.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'they sure do raavus.. ill agree with that 100%.. that is currently our problem.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Abe: they dot he same for the electoral college, and we've seen what a clusterflock that is.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's nothing wrong with it' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people like to whine about it' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'not all "leaders" are voted on abel.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And technically, only half of the people choosing senators would be people that the citizens voted in' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'if i get elected for state legislature, free spellups for everyone! *nodsage' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(half powerwise, not quantity-wise)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'somebody recap/state what the 17th amendment is' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you guys must have different legislatures than I do ;-)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Senators being elected by popular vote instead of by the people in the state legislature' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: '17th amendment established direct election of US senators, whereas before that state legislature elected senators.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'so, do you want mushambo to vote for a senator?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Yes, that.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '1st level of breaking the system is what the 17th is. ' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Elaborate on that a lil bit?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'well i can probably become a tx state legislator, at least it is in the realm of possible....so do you want me to be able to vote for us sentor ?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the idea of citizens voting all aspects is good in theory, but without some type of baromter of knowledge, this is a very poor idea... for many people are uninformed and will simply vote by, name, looks, accent, what media tells them,etc. and not based on the issues.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you already are able to, mushambo' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'people in legislator are understood to have knowledge and similiar base fundamental ideas of the populus, that is why originally the legislators picked the leaders and not the public, simply because of knowledge in the area.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, nah, this is a logistical thing, not a "don't trust the people" thing nowadays' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'i guess we should just follow pootey and his cmplete disregard for human rights' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only smart, well educated citizens who own at least 100 acres of land and 3 slaves should vote!' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Acid, as I said, that goes both ways - there's no barometer of knowledge for state legislators either. Government is like a trip to the flea market: you get what you pay for.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, if you think that the people will vote stupidly in an open election, then you also think that they'll vote stupidly for the state legislators' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, Acidangel, we can trust the people to choose people to choose a senator, but we can't trust them to choose a senator?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i agree.. but gov't boils down to 1 thing.. allocation of taxpayer money.. no more.. no less.. with at that tax, gov't would not exist.. so imo, there needs to be some sort of base "test" when people vote if you move to a 100% voters vote for everything system.. some way to atleast see if base knowledge in the area is known' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'well im worth voting for, not to toot my own horn TOO much...' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'leinei - thats how the country originally voted.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can't go to a "voters vote on everything" system simply because of logistics...there's too much shit to vote/decide on' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Right now, senators are 100% based on popular vote' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but they were not in the beginning.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yes, and they changed their mind' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is why there is an amendment' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Realistically though, how can you expect people to "vote intelligently" when US mainstream media mostly provides useless "news"' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Yeah, there's no room for abuse there at all. What shall our test be? Basic knowledge? Good background? Wealthy family? How 'bout race, or sex? It's kinda going backwards. If you don't let everyone have their say, smart or dumb, informed or illiterate, then you're just making almost arbitrary decisions about who gets to vote.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'raavus .. how bout knowledge of the issues?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I would assume they passed the amendment because they thought it was a good idea to pass it.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how are you deciding knowledge of the issues?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it takes a pretty determined citizen to work things out when you can't rely on the people who are supposed to give you info' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the "test" would be weighted by which side of the issues the testmaker is on' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'just base politcal facts at the time.. does not have to be difficult questions.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'You come up with a standardized test that only passes people who can demonstrate said knowledge (hint: it's pretty much impossible because everyone has different standards), I'll happily agree.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Or at least of government, or the position you are being elected to. I seem to recall an interview with a particular vice presidental candidate where she was asked what duties the vice president has... and she couldn't answer.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not about easy/difficult..."facts" simply is the wrong word' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'simple things like.. name the current pres/vp/leaders in house and senate and secratary of state.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'those aren't issues' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I MEAN COME ON' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is global warming real? do we need to cut greenhouse gas emissions?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'forget issues abelinc, after i said that i immediately thought of how that would not work or hold up' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Indeed. If what you want is knowledge of the government, theoretically everyone with a HS diploma/GED had to pass a government class or two..' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hrm, the state legislators corrupt the education system so that the common voters are uneducated and unworthy to vote wisely and directly for senators, and then the "educated" state legislators offer to do the voting in of the Senators for the ppl instead of the (poorly educated) ppl' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but BASE questions of "who these current leaders" are should work out just fine.. if you can not name 5 heads of state.. you should not be voting because its more then likely you do not spend any time looking at issues' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Your timeline is a little backwards there Xyliz. Until 1913 state legislators elected senators.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You'd think so, Raavus. However, I find that most people either didn't pay attention, had horrible teachers, or simply forgot it all within weeks of finishing the class.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'i stil think the missing consensus is whether or not i should run for tx state legislature :-(' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc learned everything he knows from Schoolhouse Rock T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gofer it, mushambo :-)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav hums "Conjunction Junction" T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i mean.. there are a ton of people that have no clue who Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi are.. but they are the same people screaming about "popular voting" should be done.. um.. excuse me?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'I know Jhav, I'm making a point - any sort of test you might be able to devise will never be able to accurately gauge knowledge of the issues, or of government, etc. There will always be a small margin who pass by picking C for every question, guessing, etc. And if the proposed rule is that only informed people can vote, you've now violated your own rule.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm just a bill, stuck here on capital hill' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'apparently in the USA before 1913, the ppl were too poorly uneducated and unworthy to vote directly' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Heh, didn't they rerelease all the Schoolhouse Rock stuff on DVD a few years ago?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'glad you caught up, xyliz' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'As long as the people who pass by fluke are minimized, what matter?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, before 1913, the foreign banking elite (tm) didn't own your country' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how about those who pass by writing the answers on their arm? :-)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'exactly, id rather have a base test that a few people can "lie" and get by.. then letting 100% of the population with many having no freaking clue whats going on, just start voting.. that = end of everything.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Jhav: because 'good enough' or 'lucky enough' isn't good enough when we're talking about the future of our country. :P' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but how many of those state legislators believe that biblical creationism is more valid than modern science ' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly. T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Acid: Funny, that's been going on for nigh on a century and we haven't exploded yet..' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I imagine these state legislator jobs are part time?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'raavus, century ago people loved america for america.. how many can you proclaim still hold that stance?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'i have very controversial (and 100% correct i might add) opinions, i just want to be in charge of everyone...;)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Perfection: 'this country has lost sight of what is was made for there is little hope i suggest move to the mountains and build solar panels and grow your own ' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'Yes i BLAME GWB!' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'What difference does it make what people think of their country? You're not going to imply that people who don't love America unconditionally shouldn't be able to vote are you?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, im implying, that if you get politicians that do not like america or what is stands for, they are in the prime position to "fundamentally" change it.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Perfection: 'yes global warming is very real but america will not be able to stop all the 3rd word countries from there toxic emission because they dont care' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you catching on yet?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Perfection, you descend to rabble-rousing with rhetoric using tired old cliches ' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'I thought we were talking about restricting voting privileges, not candidacy requirements.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In many ways, the US peaked somewhere around .. the JFK presidency or the early 1970s, depending on what you want to measure, so if some citizens have a more cool attitude toward the country that might be understandable' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so people who pass this test are less likely to not like america or what it stands for?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Perfection: America won't be able to stop itself, and America produces a damned sight more pollution than the 3rd world combined.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..although to be fair many (over 1000!) of the current citizens weren't born then, or lived abroad, or both' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that didn't make sense :)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'raavus, check your facts about china before you blow that smoke stack this way.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'China is considered 3rd world?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'China is not third world anymore' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, but saying us out populate china is retarded, china is #2 economy, will pass usa within about 5 years' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Perfection: 'ive lost faith in my country and my fellow americans we r over run by mexicans this will not change' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'china beats the US in most types of pollution now' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you need to wake up.. world is changing' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Er.. I didn't say populate I said pollute, and I said 3rd world.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vampfox bows before Abelinc and saids,"All hail the library." T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I can deal with a small fraction of lucky but stupid being able to vote, when the current situation is somebody who has zero idea about how the country is run or even who they are voting for can punch a ballot - and often do. ' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'depending of course on how you assign pollution between producers and consumers' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'waah waah waah, pass the economy based on currency valuations, not on productivity' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Speaking of waking up, once you've had a cup or two of coffee you might want to look into some reading comprehension classes. ' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: '- :)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and logic classes' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i did, you gave me an opinion.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'I stated widely accepted fact, and you misread almost every word in it.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, it isn't very likely that China will pass the US GDP in the next 30 years unless the US implodes' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '30 years? lol no way.. sooner then that.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.declineoftheempire.com/2010/04/china-forgives-us-debt.html' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the Fed is killing the dollar right now' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'killing it slowly is the plan' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'think Reagonomics level inflation' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Russia + China just dropped the dollar yesterday as their bilateral trade.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'I dunno that slowly is the word to describe it.. The M3 fund grew by 2 trillion last year, and is growing by another 600 billion now.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'hehe i'll bow out of this argument, but resume one of my favorites...investments in the aG market!' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'however, all sorts of rich countries are going to want in on the money printing/controlled devalation bandwagon' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Inflation is a calculation.. did you know Housing and Food is not in that calculation right now' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'not hard to fool the populus when you can change the algorithms' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so the only reasonably certain thing there is that cash (bank deposits) as an investment is going to be not-so-great in the coming years' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Economics is not my bag tho, so what I've said is about the extent of my knowledge on the subject.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'dept. of labor reports inflation with and without all sorts of elements' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Cash = crap, real currency = coinage.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'so yes, let's invest in a commodity that has almost zero intrinsic value' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Okay!' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Even gold is tanking now, which kinda surprised me.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav invests in Mushambo T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although it is not necessarily very informative when they keep reporting seasonally adjusted info without food, housing, interest rates and whatnot' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Cash = note = loan = tooth fairy money... Fed loans a dollar on a dollar + interest level. with 8 trillion dollar in circulation and 14 trill as the current debt, i would love to see how this debt gets paid back..' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'like the most recent job reports, actual -380k, reported seasonal adjustment +2k or so :)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Gold tanking? um.. no... gold i over 1375/ounce right now' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'gold, silver, rare earths should continue up, no real reason for them to drop' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'they are going through the roof because of the printing presses' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'demand for silver outstrips current production even at today's price level, it seems' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'But it's going down, started the middle of last week. Roommate watches commodity/currency markets.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'since the 1971 Nixon shock .. the dollar is no longer tied to gold.. so.. its worthless' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and with central banks etc buying actual gold now, it's hard for the price to tank' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'gold is still going up.. it had a little pull back last week.. but still increasing' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Ah, I hadn't checked back on it, but it looked like it was going to nosedive for a bit.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a funny point is that a new imf-backed currency would likely benefit from obscenely high gold (and silver) prices' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, commodities will continue increasing until the bail-outs are done.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'since increasing numbers of people there appear to favour a fractional backing system again' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Fractional?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Not sure what that means.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'they need to get the green back tied back to a commodity.. i dont see it being gold.. maybe they can get it attached to silver now though' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'like x% of notes/coins are backed by gold reserves' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Ah.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'EU had about 14 or 15% backing when the euro was started, iirc' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Like the 'silver certificate' bills you see floating around once in a while nowadays.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'down to 6% or so now, since they didn't make any rules about it :)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I appear to have hijacked a debate about who should vote..hm.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'currency discussion is far more important' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'I liked the vote debate tho, since I actually had an informed opinion on the subject. :)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Fah! Much like voting, an informed opinion is not required for debate.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Simply state an opinion and then back it in the face of all logic and reason!' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Maybe not for most people, but I try not to argue subjects I knwo virtually nothing about.' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'If I'm in a particularly crotchety mood I'll go do a bunch of research and then argue, but..' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'best ones to argue right there' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you will get informed real quick :P' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'By arguing nonsensibly?' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'nonsensically*' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the attempt to repeal the 17th ammendment is an attempt to disenfranchise the populace, (and to reduce election costs for the lobbyists)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Thanks Xyl. :)' T3/r1/2010-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raavus: 'Unfortunately I agree with you, so not much to debate there.' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today in You Can't Believe It News: Priest hires hitman to kill teen who is accusing him of molestation.' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'makes sense' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's best to use professionals' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Tinada. T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Justin Bieber just made a "It Gets Better" video o_O while Bruno Mars' "Just the Way You Are" plays in the background. It's all very bizzare.' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, wait. It's just an anti-bullying PSA. Less bizarre.' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who was more annoying, jar-jar or 3cpo?' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'jar jar' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moshu: 'jar-jar' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvendar: 'definitely jar-jar :P' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashlynn: 'jarjar is cute :D' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, but i'm figuring that 3cpo got more screen time' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and 3cpo is fucking annoying, too' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashlynn: 'tjhat wasnt jarjars fault. c3po was a stuck up bot...GO JARJAR!' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvendar: 'yeah, but i liked the married couple thing c3po and r2 had going :P' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elvendar ducks defensively. T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'c3po was the bitch in this relationship for sure' T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elvendar flails his head up and down... you can see the blonde roots. T3/r1/2010-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, he nagged like an ol' lady' T3/r1/2010-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'Brian Setzer Orchestra's Gettin' in the Mood or Glen Miller Band's In the Mood?' T3/r1/2010-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Turie runs CLOTHED like a NUN through this channel. T3/r1/2010-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): GI-Joe Vlazin runs NAKED through the Channel! T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KAWXC5Z0wU&feature=player_embedded' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What in the flying fudge... Jared Leto's music video for "30 Seconds to Mars" banned. One of the many, many things the censor board, whatever it's called, complaining over was how at 00:27, someone says "It's not a reality, it's a dream" in French. Wait... what?!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'also, another complaint about how at 07:00, someone says "Abandon yourself and sacrifice yourself to pleasure" in French. So... French is not OK on U.S. airwaves now?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'go ahead and thank the government for more rules' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And another complaint about French about love and masks o_O' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, how are they allowed to complained about the usage of French?!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'welcome to liberal america..' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avalynn: 'It's America, most of us are terribly stupid.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'and it is french, nobody likes them' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Acidangel, obviously those rules were instituted by liberals and liberals are very xenophobic.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, are you THAT desperate for BS talking points?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'dont hate facts yuna.. that wasn't cons that came up with those rules :P' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah? Your sources?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'liberals only hate facts, not different kinds of people, surely' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Acidangel, where are your sources for who came up with anti-French/foreign languages rules in music videos?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'sources? how about mentality of liberal vs cons/libertarians.. that is all the source you need because its HOW each of those types of people look at a problem.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '... ... ... seriously?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's your argument?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'yuna, did you watch the youtube link i posted earlier?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that shows you con vs liberal mentality' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and this coming from EU just last week.. ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm gonna institute a new 30 mninute Acidangel ignore period because your asinine factoids are driving me insane.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'sounds like a normal liberal.. ignore facts :P' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'What? Liberal is generally associated with economic regulation, and conservatism with social regulation.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Jhav, why even bother?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'um.. switch those jhab' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'censoring random french stuff is hardly "liberal" or "conservative" or "whatever", more likely it's incompetent people on whichever board decided it' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He seriously just argued "I know those rules were instituted by Liberals because, uh, that's what Liberals do!"' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav sighs. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that's one his saner arguments.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avalynn: 'That's pretty much how it works though, people do what they're expected to do depending on what group lines their pockets or they lose their funding.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'No yuna, like normal.. you misunderstand what i am trying to convey' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'if anyone is in the us and wants to swing texas state (or federal) politics by donating $5 or so , let me know :)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And like usual, he claims we're misunderstanding what he's trying to convey with his garbled, vague and nonsensical ramblings. Good day.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Can't Texas just declare independence already?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The secession of Texas will make the U.S. 25% saner.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) My name is Slethrin: 'hell let them take the whole bible belt.. make it jesusland' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Texas is a start. The whole Bible Belt is the goal.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'sounds good to me.. considering those are the strongest finacial states right now.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'we'd like to, although unfortunately on the federal level im running against a good ol boy whose district area makes zero sense ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'finances arent everything' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KAWXC5Z0wU&feature=player_embedded' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'every country in the world is full of ignorants and functional idiots, so the argument should be for downsizing large countries in general, then' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'too bad that reduces the number, not the percentage' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'considering reality denial, corruption and stupidity are at comparable levels among both "liberals" and "conservatives"' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh look, another entirely unrelated video with really no real significance. I'd like to point out that I voted against the Euro and that Sweden's currency is still the SEK so, why the flying fuck are you posting that?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'american experiments in selfr-rule are due to be cancelled, welcome back to the empire, colonials' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the argument is the same as for democracy, you don't get great systems, but there's a limit to how much the system can be messed up :)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tinada, not comparable. The Conservatives like to lie through their teeth whenever it comes to gays.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Chuft is right :)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, the thing is, gays = tiny % of politics, they don't trump everything els' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '-e' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"gays are icky" is not a lie :P' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When the Liberals lie, it's more by exclusion. The Conversatives actually make shit up.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'clearly the world was a better place when we were in charge ;)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Chuft is right again' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny how the Conservatives make the gays the scapegoats and wedge issues in every election then, Tinada.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'reinstate the British Empire' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'chuft points to the fundamental difference in views..' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs in response to Summoner Yuna's question. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '1 points to a master.. 1 points himself as master' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) My name is Slethrin: 'yeah my gay friens buy into that bs, and im just like.. really? there are a million other more important things' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They actually use "If you repeal DADT, gays will start raping straights because they're just lying in wait waiting for the permission to be open before raping their straight colleagues because gays just can't help themselves!"' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'eh? I'm not due to be king anytime soon' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, that's exactly what I heard the conservatives say' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'arguing about the relative significance of one aspect of politics is not likely to settle that kind of debate, really' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'right yuna.. i would love to see that source' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'talk about making shit up, yuna' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I would never vote for a party whose fundamental points include making sure my fundamental rights are withheld from me and who argue in open court, on the senate floor, on the house floor and in the media about how evil I am.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'stupid ass liberal' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'george bush not only didn't care, he hated, black people' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'I simply think that the system of constitunal monarchy we had circa 1880 was the ideally balanced form of government' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I made it up? seriously, you claim I'm making that up? Do I need to pull out the Youtube clips? Because I will.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes please' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In fact, a Conservative politician said that TODAY.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I don't really care about this debate as I just logged on, but I'd like to see the video anyway' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'discuss the pros and cons of reinstating fiendish as a doh leader' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'IRON FIST' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: '"the russians will kill us all...debate amongst yourselves"' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: '*sends fiendish a velvet glove*' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'None of you have seen the BS lies elected Conservative officials have spouted about homosexual soldiers just waiting to rape their fellow straighties? Really? Because it's been said on the SENATE FLOOR.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(This may take a while since I'm not sure where I saw the video)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's great Yuna. I want to see a video' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, I can't find the new one atm (still looking),but in the meantime to tide you over, one of the generals (a con): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9qn3z_ptm8' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And some oldies from the FRC and AFA (conservative organizations that are not yet universally classified as hate groups): http://www.365gay.com/blog/052710-conservatives-are-going-kooky-with-their-dadt-repeal-theories/' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it isn't loading' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the youtube video I mean' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Have you tried refreshing it?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'obviously' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because it's working for me.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Here's another video about the same general: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwVKQZFaEY4&feature=related' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The problem is that you use 'they' as an all-inclusive characterization' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think that these people (like the second link you sent) are crackpots' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But there are crackpots all around us on every side, you can't vote for anyone without them' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'no way majic. I saw a gay person once saying that straight people should all die. clearly THEY are out to get us.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sniggers at Ol' Dirty Fiendish's actions. Maybe you should REPORT the idjit. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Found it!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it better work this time!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2010/11/28/profile-in-courage' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'These are not isolated incidents, Fiendish. They occur on a weekly basis. It's been argued on the SENATE FLOOR.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'the senate floor of rome!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'this doesn't look like a video' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'the goths are coming, the goths are coming' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not saying ALL Conservatives are spouting this particular lie. It's just that many conservatives lie through their teeth when it comes to gay rights.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well sorry, I misremembered. It's not a video.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm not interested in some blog by a person named BOOT' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I want primary sources' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'wwww.penisland.com' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2010/nov/28/ex-serviceman-repeal-dont-ask-20101128/' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You have to create and account and log in to read the full story, though, for inexplicable reasons.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'sure I do' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'h -10' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'and i mean it too' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In other DADT news, Mavericky Gramps McCain lies, AGAIN, about how DADT is enforced: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/11/28/mccain-dadt-letter/' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Video)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W0p9oz2TSg&feature=player_embedded Republican Senator lies about the impact on unit cohesion the repeal of DADT would have, stating it's been "written and chronicled of for many years" and unit cohesion will suffer when it's the exact opposite for every single country where gays can serve openly.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Should I go on?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'lol wtf' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'get this' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm registering for this arkansasonline bullshit, and their CAPTCHA has an umlaut in it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And your keyboard does not have an umlaut?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'also, just refresh the CAPTCHA if you can't type it out.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'umlauts are illeagle in Arkansas... If you type that to anyone except your spouse you will go to jail.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're thinking of Texas, where the Republican Party's platform for the 2010 elections was actually "Re-criminalize sodomy".' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'allegedly' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Eh, it's on their platform, I saw it' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not allegedly. OFFICIALLY. They made a release an everything.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think it's going to go through, though.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you want me to link to it AGAIN? I already did on Aard last time someone asked.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'that's why all of you should donate to my pac, im not kidding whatsoever' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"You are logged-in but are not listed as a subscriber. Complete stories that appeared in the Arkansas Online are only available to paid subscribers."' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I went and looked it up some time ago' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'try again.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You should know by now that I don't lie when it comes to having sources.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Pretty sure sodomy is still illegal in my state' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and stop linking to arkansas online' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then ignore that ONE source, Fiendish. And look at the other sources I gave you.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the youtube video doesn't play' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'between my good looks and my hound dogs even better good looks, at the very leasxt, i could waste someone'smoney' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a problem on YOUR end.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, did you take a look at the 2nd video about the SAME general I posted?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or the other youtube videos I subsequently posted?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'because user upload content is very reliable' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's from a cable news show...' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fiendish, try the first video out again and refresh a few times before giving up. It's working perfectly fine on my end.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yeah. not working.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'is there another link to it?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll look for one. Meanwhile, watch the other 3 (I think) vids I posted.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'they have different content. I want to see this one.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That appears to the only copy of that video seeing as how it was uploaded by the actual network.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Here's a newspaper article with extensive quotes: http://www.metroweekly.com/news/?ak=5005' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'blah blah secondary source' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, because it's obviously my fault your browser's bad.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh hey, alternate video from MSNBC: http://endviolencetoday.blogspot.com/2010/03/former-general-blamed-gay-dutch.html' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'MSNBC...enough said' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish is a pig. He just coughed at Coup de Calamar, covering him in spittle. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's video footage of the bigot speaking.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a 10 minute video because it's the entire segment as opposed to the excerpt on Youtube.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(in the video, he also lies about what the Dutch government says about the Srebrenica massacre)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so I'm not seeing anything about rape in this video so far' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You couldn't possibly have watched the 10 minute video.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because it hasn't been 10 minutes yet.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '8 minutes so far' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what. they don't have footage of him actually saying it. :\' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I thought that was the same video. Have you tried a different browser for the youtube video?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes they do, you just can't view the Youtube video because your connection sucks!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I fixed youtube.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it's really not my fault.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes it is' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'they're just talking about something. they didn't show him saying it yet' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Uh... yeah. Did you skim?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They have footage of him saying stuff in that video.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not about rape' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, it's the wrong video, I apologize. Well, it had him lie about gays in the military, at least.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'i'm so disappointed' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I was hoping to see one thing and instead saw another. I feel betrayed and lied to.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Have a trusted lieutenant view the video and quote it to you then.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'blah blah secondary sources' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not my fault you can't view a specific Youtube video.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, your friends would obviously be unreliable secondary sources.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're just making up excuses.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'rachel maddow isn't my friend. she's a person on television. I was hoping to see footage of this guy saying the things you said he said' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and you let me down' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The video is of the guy saying these things!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that you can't view it is not my fault.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop blaming others for the inadequacies of your computer.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(or connection)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I watched the video' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it didn't have him saying anything about rape' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you missed the part where I told you I fixed youtube' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Raw footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ5JxctI7Zs' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'From what appears to be C-Span, so unless you're gonna claim C-Span is partisan, that's as unpartisan as you can get.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm not making any claims about anything, other than the fact that the video you told me to watch doesn't show what you said it does' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you watch the raw C-Span footage?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'currently' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'he makes an interesting case, actually. what percent of soldiers do you think are gay?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'because he's saying that 7 percent of sexual assault cases are male on male' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's saying other things as well.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's clearly associating the presence of openly gay soldiers with male-on-male rape.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yeah yeah, but I'm a read between the lines and compare the numbers kind of guy' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He starts the tirade out by saying that in his experience, having gay marines is always a problem and then goes on to tell that weirdass story about some rape that occurred years ago.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'are 7 percent of soldiers gay?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I wouldn't think so. I think a lot of male-on-male rape is heterosexual soldiers sexually frustrated, like with prison rape.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's an odd suggestion' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not necessarily saying the majority of it is, I'm saying it's a part of it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I doubt it. It's not like there aren't women available.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Men are less likely to report rape (established fact). Also, men and women do not have co-ed dorms or showers.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the difference between military service and a male prison is that there are women in the military' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'why would a gay rape a woman.. kinda goes against their instinct doesn't it?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'guy, not gay.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are women in many prisons too.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's just harder to get to them.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, as I said, men are less likely to report rape, be it by a woman or by a man. It's just how they've been wired by society.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so if men are less likely to report rape, that means the man on man rape action is actually higher than reported' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All rapes are higher than reported.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and i'm not yet willing to buy heterosexual gay rape in an environment that has available women, yet' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, men sleep in the same quarters as an shower in the same showers as women how often in the armed forces?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's much easier to pull someone who's naked and washing off in the showers down and rape them than to ambush some unsuspecting woman by the bushes while doing drills.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you clearly don't read reports about how women get raped in the military' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That said, 93% of all reported rape is heterosexual. I guess we should separate the armed forces by gender, like with the boy scouts and girl scouts.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're clearly not getting my argument. I never denied that women get raped.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you just think that a heterosexual man would preferentially choose another man to rape than an available woman' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm saying it's easier for men to get the opportunity to rape (weaker) men than to get the opportunity to rape women in the military.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because when you're so desperate and psychotic you'd resort to rape, your main concern would be "Ew, not the gay!", right?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what is your point, anyway?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'actually, yes.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gay rape occurs, huzzah' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'do women rape me:?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I don't think you understand sexuality as it relates to rape under different circumstances' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you, venomangel? only you can say.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't think you understand what rape is really about most of the time.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But what is your point? There's gay rape in the U.S. armed forces?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'only that it seems to be disproportionate to what I expect the gay population of the u.s. armed forces to be' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'of course there could be more gay people in the military than I suspect' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'in which case it's a non-issue' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're making the suggestion that gay soldiers are more likely to commit rape?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm suggesting that the numbers are interesting' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you're so concerned about a disproportionate percentile of rapes being of the gay variety, you should support a repeal of DADT, then.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because if you know which soldiers are gay, it'll be easier to be on the lookout for them wanting to rape you!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm not talking about don't ask don't tell' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about this. I don't.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I seem to have been mistaken. According to Pentagon reports, WOMEN in particular are unwilling to come forward to report rapes.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So the 7% figure is actually bloated if you project unreported rape numbers.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Report: http://www.sapr.mil/media/pdf/reports/fy09_annual_report.pdf' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, he lied, surprise, surprise. According to my math, same-sex rapes accounted for 6.1% of all reported rapes in the U.S. armed forces in 2009.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, yeah, LESS than 6% (possibly much so) of all rapes in the U.S. armed forces, according to the Pentagon's estimates, are of the same-sex kind.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your numbers just got a lot less interesting.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'except for gay women' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nogs, how many of these are female-on-female?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'which, btw, is super hot' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'did you find out the % of gays too? :)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, the 6.1% includes ALL same-sex rapes, including gay women.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'can you summarize the numbers? a 25MB pdf download is onerous' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, gay women is misleading.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'With women, it's easier to sexually assault a woman than men due to strength differences.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So I'd wager same-sex female rape is more likely to have a few heterosexuals in the mix.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'maybe the solution is to not let women in the military, then, if they're all weaker' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'if you can't even rape someone of the opposite sex, clearly you shouldn't be serving' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada claps at Ol' Dirty Fiendish's performance. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn rolls on the floor laughing at a pit fiend's antics! T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn rolls on the floor laughing at Ol' Dirty Fiendish's antics! T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '3102 reported cases, man-on-man: 173, woman-on-woman: 17, woman-on-man: 13, unknown gender: 252, man-on-woman: 2647' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wtf unknown gender :p' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'woah. almost as many woman on man as woman on woman' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'clearly the real issue here is the unknown gender %' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Tinada: "Universal" Soldiers' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm." T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's because the statistics include not just penetrative sexual assault. They also include things such as "wrongful sexual contact" and "abusive sexual contact".' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'we are talking about rapes?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"x looked at me in a funny way"?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I object to your requirement that rape involve penetration' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tinada, no, that's sexual harassmen. Fiendish, I used the word rape when I talked about penetrative SEXUAL ASSAULT when`?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't fight me in a battle of semantics. You will almost always lose.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'my count shows (173+17)/(2647+13) which is actually over 7%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and no I won't' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but that's an interesting threat' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '2647?!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're obviously dyslexic. I never knew.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The total number of reported instances is 3102, as I told you earlier.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where did you even pull the number 2647 from? It's not actually in the report.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'scroll up' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Uh, you just quoted 2647' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '3102 reported cases, man-on-man: 173, woman-on-woman: 17, woman-on-man: 13, unknown gender: 252, man-on-woman: 2647'' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm just suggesting where he got the 7% figure from' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's 2647 HETEROSEXUAL RAPES' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's actually 2647 man on woman rapes' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You just said that number wasn't even in the report.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'woman on man is also heterosexual' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't divide the number of gay rapes by heterosexual rapes and expect to get a percentage of how many of the TOTAL rapes are same-sex.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You divide the number of gay rapes by the TOTAL number of rapes, which is, you guessed it, 3102.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm just suggesting where his number came from' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which means he's STUPID.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'or just that he rounded up in a meaningful way' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or being willfully deceitful.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't round up 6.1 to 7!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's being deliberately misleading to the degree of LYING.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you do if you expect the number of homosexual rapes reported to be lower than the number of heterosexual rapes reported per incident' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying "Hey, she's legal! She's 20 because she said she was 11!"' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you read the report and what I said?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Well, if you throw out the 'unknown gender', you get 6.6%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sorry, 6.7%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which rounds to 7%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Women are LESS LIKELY to report rapes than men, which means the number of unreported man-on-woman rapes are actually much HIGHER percentage-wise compared to same-sex rapes!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And throwing out the unknown gender does seem reasonable, as you'd have no real way of ascertaining which they are.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Pentagon ITSELF says this!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and the number of woman on woman rapes as well' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So we're gonna assume how many of those were of the same sex?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you seem to be doing so' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't throw out the number of woman-on-woman rapes.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If you throw them out completely, you get 190/2850.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I added the man-on-man and woman-on-woman rapes into one single number.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because unlike Sheehan, I'm not deceitful.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I lay traps.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'except that woman-on-woman rapes involve this process where you believe that women are less likely to report rapes' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm just saying that if you add up only the ones where the gender was recorded, you DO get something that rounds to 7%. ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Woman on woman rapes constituted 13 rapes in 2009. Man-on-woman rapes constitute a whopping 2061 rapes.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'reported' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wait, 2061? you said 2647 earlier.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even if we bloat the numbers up, the man-on-woman rape would still make the statistics shift DRAMATICALLY toward heterosexual rape being more common.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, I was reading the wrong number. Yes, 2647.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you're not even using the same numbers from sentence to sentence. how are we supposed to believe anything you say?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 2061 number if from unrestricted cases only.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what's an unrestricted case' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unrestricted and restricted are two ways of reporting and investigating rapes.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: '82% of aLL Statistics can be made up, 64% of all people know that' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unrestricted rapes are reported to the victim's superiors and investigations are launched.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Restricted reports, neither occurs, but the victim can still receive health- and mental care.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'your suggestion that man on woman and woman on woman reporting would increase similarly assumes that they impact the victim in the same way, which they don't' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did I ever suggest that?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'a number of times' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quote me a single time.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even if we bloat the numbers up, the man-on-woman rape would still make the statistics shift DRAMATICALLY toward heterosexual rape being more common.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'in sequence with (Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Woman on woman rapes constituted 13 rapes in 2009. Man-on-woman rapes constitute a whopping 2061 rapes.'' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But the fact that 2600+ rapes were man-on-woman and only 13 were woman-on-woman means if more women were to report instances of rape, heterosexual rape would take up a larger percentile seeing as how man-on-man rape statistics wouldn't shift as dramatically.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'REPORTED' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'is there an issue at stake right now? what's being debated ?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '13 isn't even a percentage! It's a 1/1000th, whatever it's called in English.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, REPORTED.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you assume similar reporting rates' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I want to know why' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moshu: 'I am making breakfast and I just learned way more then I wanted to know about rape in the military cause I left debate channel on, good debating though.. ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Pentagon projects that were rapes to be reported more frequently, logically, heterosexual rapes would be more dominant than they are now!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'does the pentagon project this?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'obvious by circumstance, what's next ?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say similar. I said that the number of unreported woman-on-woman rapes probably aren't that disproportionately larger than man-on-woman rapes that an increased incidence of reporting would skew the statics to skew more to the same-sex side. ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you might even support my suggestion to just keep women out of the military' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is your logic for claiming that women are much more unwilling to report same-sex rape that were rape to be more widely reported within the U.S. armed forces, all of the a sudden, the total number of same-sex rapes would shoot up as compared to now?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'haha who thinks a guy will be more likely to report beign raped ?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yuna does' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Pentagon, Mushambo. The Pentagon.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't lie, Fiendish.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I thought the opposite, but the Pentagon says otherwise.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is this your schtick now? Outright malicious lies you KNOW to be untrue?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'whatever. you don't get to trot out some numbers in support of an argument but then say that you don't believe it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'if you don't believe it, then you don't get to use it to support a claim' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so which is it?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not MY belief, it's the Pentagon's conclusion after conducting studies' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I have to abide by their findings over my own beliefs seeing as how I'm not an authority on this matter.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You chose to be willfully deceitful by making it look like my own personal belief without any factual basis.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and if you choose to use this conclusion in a discussion, then you implicitly agree with it. regardless of what you say you WANT to believe. ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Instead of saying "The Pentagon's", you said "Yuna's".' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'because you agree with them now' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'otherwise you don't get to use their numbers to support your claims' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not just my personal belief! It's my new personal belief based on statistics and studies, but you TRIED to make it look like my own personal belief without any factual basis!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not just my personal belief! It's my new personal belief...!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish whistles appreciatively. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'fancy dance moves there, Yuna.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes? What in those two sentences contradicted each other, Mr. English-as-a-1st-language?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did you somehow miss the word "just" in the 1st sentence?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish smirks. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'English is my 3rd language, isn't it your 1st?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'ooh now yall are getting into semantics and logic :) how soon should i point out everyones foibles ? ;)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Surely that explains the difficulty we're having, then.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"It's not JUST my personal belief. It's my personal belief because..." <-- perfectly logical argument.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or do you not understand what the qualifier "just" does to the 1st sentence?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna: why do you think the reason matters? ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"Who believes it?" "Yuna does" "No I don't! I believe it!"' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish whistles appreciatively. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said I don't believe it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'riiiight' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said that it wasn't JUST a personal belief of mine.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'is English your 12th language? Do you not undestand the sentence "It's not JUST my personal belief"?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna...' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '[30 Nov 13:02:07] (Debate) Mushambo: 'haha who thinks a guy will be more likely to report beign raped ?' [30 Nov 13:02:19] (Debate) Fiendish: 'yuna does' [30 Nov 13:02:28] (Debate) Yuna: 'Don't lie, Fiendish.'' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't seem to grasp what the word "just" is doing there.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOU LIED BY OMISSION.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'riiiiight' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a classic tactic of the desperate.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Oh, he needs to list every person in the world who also believes it?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're making it sound like it's JUST me believing it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the pentagon says it. you believe it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When it is NOT. The Pentagon believes it after YEARS of studies and reviews.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Fiendish. Not all of us are paranoid freaks who disbelief anything reported by the government.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You're choosing to infer that, and you're choosing to get your panties in a wad rather than saying 'Yes, Yuna, among others' which would have completely eliminated the need for an argument.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because obviously they'd want us to believe women are less likely to report rapes in the armed forces when it's the other way around because, uh, so the Commies can win.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'sorry dont bring me into this...ive taken too many courses in statistics, semantics, and logic' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you're the one denying the things you believe' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bejito: 'actualy anyone believing what usa's government says is in denial of the truth' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did I ever openly deny it, Fiendish? Quotes, please.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I've already quoted you' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'He said 'Yuna does' and you said 'Don't lie'' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You lied by omission.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'no I didn't' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why did you say "Yuna does", then?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'because it's true' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'read paul ekman books, enough' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Are you claiming that you don't/' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It was perfectly obvious I did seeing as how I was arguing it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'are you claiming now then that you don't?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why didn't you say "The Pentagon does", which would've been much more relevant?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you're lying by omitting what color your house is' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The Pentagon is not talking on debate channel.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and also what color your panties are' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'assuming the wearing of said article' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, whatever. Have fun jerking each other off based on something actually quite irrelevant to thje debate at large.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If it's irrelevant, then why did you make such a fuss over it?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I notice you didn't jump into the debate until this one single issue came up where you could make an attack on my character, Majic.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Disagreeing with you doesn't make it a character attack, and I have been talking before.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'oh snap. the political is personal!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'or some shit' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But go ahead, choose to ignore it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I already gave an explanation as to where the 7% came from, and then I went to read the report.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 7% came from BULLSHIT.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your explanation is merely an excuse. Or you playing devil's advocate.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, it came from throwing out the cases without a reported gender.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'unreported' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can only get the 7% by LIES.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'er. nevermind' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'That in itself is a LIE.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'look, those of us who understand complicated things like numbers and division believe that the 7% figure is accurate given the data' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Again, if you throw out the unreported gender, you get 6.7%, which, at least when I learned math, rounds to 7%.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If you assume that all of the unreported gender cases are heterosexual (an unreasonable assumption), you get the 6.1%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about this:' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'my only suggestion now is that 7% seems kind of high given my expectation of the percentage of gay people in the military' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We assume that 6.7% of the unDETERMINED gender cases are same-sex and the rest heterosexual, the number would not be 7%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, it would be 6.7%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which rounds to 7%.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Uh... no...' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Uh, yes?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'explain your computations which show otherwise?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '6.7% of 252 is 16' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'why do you assume the 6.7% breakdown?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'personal bigotry?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Based on the general statistics?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '6.7% of 252 is 17, actually. ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what are the general statistics?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why do you assume MORE than 6.7% of those are same-sex?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The statistics excluding the undetermined gender cases.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And when you add that into the general statistics, you get 207/3102. Which is 6.7%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'consider the possibile reasons why gender would be unreported' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'As previously stated.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And it is also obvious that if the average is 6.7%, and if you throw in more numbers whose average is ALSO 6.7%, the average will still be 6.7%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When gender is unreported, it's because it's prohbably not a case of actual sexaul assault. Maybe inappropriate sexual contact.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Which is why it makes sense to throw it out completely' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'In which case you get 190/2850, which is 6.7%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I stand corrected then.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so here we are, with a 7% figure. which seems kind of high.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The same report tells you why same-sex assault are disproportionate.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'tell me why' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Women are less likely to report sexual assault in the military for whatever reasons.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'again you discount women against women' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Women are disproportionately sexually assaulted by men as compared to women.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'maybe women are even less likely to report if assaulted by a woman' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Probably because they're going to get a fair amount of 'you don't belong here' -- I'm not quarrelling with that statement, I was just explaining where the 7% came from.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Thus, with a higher report rate, the statistics would PROBABLY change and the number would drop below 7%, possibly even below 6% or even lower.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the statistics MIGHT change. probably doesn't come into it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Majic, that's because unlike Fiendish, you're reasonable.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish smirks at Dispel Majic's saying. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna: she's saying the same thing I said' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sure, but you can't actually use that for anything.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Please name all of the countless reasons why women would be less likely report same-sex rapes than opposite-sex rape?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You can't make assumptions based on anything other than 'it might drop'. ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna: name the reasons why they do it at all' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm offering a plausible explanation, not stating it as fact.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I mistakenly assumed the number was 6% and for that I apologize. But I never trumpeted around projected numbers as fact. Only as explanations for why the number is currently 7%.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'sure sure. the number is currently 7%. that seems high.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fear of being ostracized, fear of not being believed, threats to their safety.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'none of which, of course, happen when a woman who lives with you and showers with you does it' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'of course' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you said yourself that proximity trumps sexuality' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Keep in mind that the numbers shift dramatically year by year. In 2008, the same number was a mere 4.57%' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the numbers from some time not now are irrelevant' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said it didn't happen. I said that there's nothing to support the theory that women would be less likely to report same-sex rapes to such a disproportionate degree the percentage of same-sex rapes would jump higher.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1 year ago is not relevant?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'society shifts. maybe we live more in a gay rape culture now.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah... keep arguing that...' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You yet to tell us why women would be much, much, MUCH more unwilling to report same-sex rapes.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'i already gave you a suggestion' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because they live in the same quarters? That'd make it MORE likely.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'if you say so' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'perhaps the affront of being assaulted by another woman is more difficult to understand for the fragile female psyche' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, men are stronger and larger. They can intimidate women "better". There are also more men in leading positions. This all makes for a perfect storm of women being unwilling to report men who sexually assault them.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There have been zero reports of a wide-spread unwillingness among women to report woman-on-woman sexual assault.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'zero reports of zero reports, eh?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's been countless studying documenting the same for man-on-women reports.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'b/c i have fun with stat samples/demographics/semantics/etc ... please discuss the effect of women who join the military in the first place' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say "zero reports of zero reports", Fiendish. Are you just inventing stuff in your head now?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'i'm paraphrasing your words back to you' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're not paraphrasing it. You're LYING, this time pretty obviously.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There have been zero reports of a[n] unwillingness ... to report.'' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Zero reports of a wide-spread unwillingness among women to report same-sex rape" doesn't even have two "zeros" in it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish smirks. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Zero reports of zero reports" does in no way, shape or form resemble what was said.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'look. we've already been over the whole first language third language thing.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'actually, you brought that up' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The first glaring discrepancy being that my statement only used the word "zero" once, even by inference.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is a crystal clear case of you making stuff up.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Last time was ambiguous and I admit I may have been mistaken to take it that far.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This time, you're just making stuff up.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how exactly do you get reports of what is not reported?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yuna: it appears to me that you just don't understand the nuance of vocabulary.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'soviet putin will destroy the entire world, please discuss *snl voice*' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"zero reports of zero reports", that's a nuance of "zero reports of an unwillingness to report same-sex report" how?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if there is unwillingness to report, then the report is made...if you're unwilling to report, you're also unwilling to state that you have something to report that you're unwilling to report on' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'zero reports of an unwillingness to report, yuna.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abelinc, by conducting anonymous studies and interviews, probably.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Zero reports of low reporting might have been a better way to phrase it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is how you get studies on the number of unreported *anythings*' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'studies and interviews of people who may or may not be apropos?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Majic: my way was cooler. I shouldn't have to cater to Yuna's language deficiencies.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But he didn't, Majic. He willfully paraphased my statement into something which resembled word salad in order to make me look bad.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'Russians want to own the world, plain and simple. Goals of "world domination" are so 80s, now it's all about the money. The Evil Empire sold out.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why there is no such thing as a single decent study of unreported anythings' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'oooh somewhere mr. lincoln linc is incorrect :)' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he willfully paraphrased your statement into what your statement boils down to' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Zero reports of zero reports"?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, zero reports of the reports which are not made' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How did my statement in any way, shape or form boil down to "zero reports of zero reports"?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It's called hyperbole' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'I believe that there is a severe underreporting of unreported items.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now you're making logical leaps to excuse his behaviour.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'People keep trying to explain and you keep shrieking at them.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's as stupid as the "there are xxx million americans with diabetes, and xxx more millions who don't even know that they have diabetes"' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or maybe people think that you tend to see the word in black and white, and see only one meaning for each word. ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I NEVER said that.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'He's not saying you said that.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When in debate, everything is black and white. To be vague should not be encouraged.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but the world is NOT black and white. Words have nuances, shades, and multiple meanings, which cannot be eradicated.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is debate.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then perhaps you should not have brought up a very vague statement' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You try to be as clear as possible!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'always' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I also try to keep emotions out of my arguments. Which is pretty easy since I don't have any.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's what we need' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whatever, have fun infering gays are more likely to commit rape than straight in the military. It's clear there's no point in taking this discussion further.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'no emos in the military' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And to a native speaker, Fiendish's statement was a pretty clear restatement of yours, with some mild exaggeration.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Zero reports of zero reports" is not clear.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Perhaps not to you' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's an over-simplification to the point of distortion.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'your statement was an undersimplification to the point of distortion. I was distilling it for you.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It is an over-simplification, but his point was that it's impossible to really tell anything about underreporting.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't understand how you can claim that "zero reports of zero reports" is a clear hyperbolic paraphrasal of "zero reports of an unwillingness to report same-sex rape" because in what alternate universe does "unwillingness to report same-sex rape" equal "zero reports"?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'are you coercing reports from the unwilling, then?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"Have you been raped? No, really, have you? If you don't tell me yes I'll break your legs."' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What does that have to do with what I just said, Fiendish?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Which is why I said, if he were catering to your ESL status, he might have said 'zero reports of non-reporting' or 'zero reports of low reporting' -- his exaggeration is not intended to be interpreted as 'zero reports'' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'ETL' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I KNOW what he meant.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I believe the S stands for "second"' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I am SAYING that he tried to make me LOOK bad.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not actually trying' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'He didn't have to. ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Probably by drawing attention to the fact that I'm an ETL speaker.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'sure, sure. you brought that up in the first place.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You blowing up about it did far more to make you look bad.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you tried to make a mockery out of using it as a weapon.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'everything is about you, isn't it.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whatever, the three of you are obviously united in your agenda and you will defend Fiendish every action with tooth and nail.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Haha' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Using any excuse possible.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish snorts. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or you could just accept that you got it wrong for a change, rather than assuming that anyone who argues against you is part of a conspiracy to make you look bad.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you won't even admit that my arguments are at least possible or plausible.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Your arguments are possible, but it's not really possible to ascertain whether they're what actually happens.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) My name is Slethrin: 'if people aren't listening to you, why do you keep trying? ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I admit that alien anal probes in Kansas are possible. that doesn't make it worth making claims about.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because I keep thinking maybe some people aren't as bigoted and stupid as they first appear.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'Why is so hard for everyone involved [1] to cite relevant sources? [1]Citation needed' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) My name is Slethrin: 'have you learned better now haha' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never claimed my arguments are factually provable, Majic.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never id and never will.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'See, there you go again, resorting to personal attacks when you get bored of arguing.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I find that people who make claims about other people being bigoted tend to be bigoted.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I merely offered my hypothesis up as a POSSIBLE explanation.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'oh shit' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The opposition is ostensibly arguing that my hypothesis is IMPOSSIBLE.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nope, that's not at all what they're arguing.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'They're arguing that it's unprovable.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) My name is Slethrin: 'who cares? its obvious they are just poking fun at you anyways' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never claimed it was, so why argue against it?!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Slethrin: but not at first!' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) My name is Slethrin: 'the fact you are taking them seriously.. well' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I actually stated more than once that it's not provable, but a mere hypothesis (not using those exact words).' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'did you?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'could you quote yourself saying that?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They asked for a possible explanation. I gave them one.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Debate -h only goes back so far.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'surely your client caches farther back than that' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm pretty sure my client doesn't cache anything because I set it to not cache stuff.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you can never scroll back ever?' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is as far as I can scroll back: "(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'i already gave you a suggestion'"' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish whistles appreciatively. T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Followed by "You debate: 'Because they live in the same quarters? That'd make it MORE likely.'"' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'someone doesn't like reliving the past' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maaloc: 'time to turn this thing back on... ' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'All governments are flawed to an extent that they consist of nothing but a small bowl of porridge.' T3/r1/2010-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'And due to that, teenage pregnancy is a myth. The end.' T3/r1/2010-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans in the Senate voted down the bill to extend benefits to the unemployed a few days back.' T3/r1/2010-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today (or yesterday), they sent Harry Reid a letter where they whine about how so many are unemployed (lol) and that they refuse to invoke cloture on any bill (i.e., they will filibuster ALL bills) until the senate votes to give tax cuts to the wealthy.' T3/r1/2010-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Congratulations, millions of Americans who aren't billionaires. This is what you voted for. Have fun seeing your country hostage for the next 2 years.' T3/r1/2010-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) My name is Slethrin: 'what else is new, the rich always will screw over everyone else. just look at history' T3/r1/2010-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm just saying "I told you so.".' T3/r1/2010-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'too bad neither party has a plan for solving the deficit/health care/pension crisis' T3/r1/2010-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'will do' T3/r1/2010-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you will?' T3/r1/2010-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'it was related to something on the newbie channel at the time' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"Other than the terrorist threat ... this debt threat constitutes the greatest threat to America"' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I thought socialism was the threat?' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'one might have thought that you need more reality contact to head the senate budget committee..' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'the debt is probably more dangerous...' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Aztar. T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'There's a saying. If you owe a thousand dollars, the bank owns you. If you own a million, you own the bank.' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the gov't does effectively own the bank, and that does help, but it won't make the causes of the deficit go away :)' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The last time we had no deficit, it was a dem pres and a republican house/senate.' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'but until the congress takes their heads out of their asses we're gonna keep wasting extraordinary sums of money on defense' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada beams a smile at Dr Jek. T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I forget the exact figure, but our defense budget is as much as the next 16 countries combined, and they're all our allies' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'something like that, possibly' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'the entire UK budget can fit inside the US military budget.' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'can't really cut defence spending while fighting wars, though' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yeah, don't know the exact number, but the principle is the same' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'another reason to quit fighting wars :P' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods. T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Having such a large army encourages us to get into conflict abroad, which encourages us to increase spending on defense.' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'An unpleasant cycle.' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'we are going to be a target either way.' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'true, but a large army is not an effective means to fight terrorists' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Aztar agrees! T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'take afganhistan for instance, should've been no war. It should have been 20 seals going in and cutting bin ladens throat in his sleep and bringing the head back' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or possibly some USAID type people going in to actually BUILD democracy :)' T3/r1/2010-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'but fighting an actual 'war' there? horrible idea, alexander the great couldn't even do it :P' T3/r1/2010-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wonder how much gold is left in Fort Knox..' T3/r1/2010-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and equally interesting, who actually owns it' T3/r1/2010-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maaloc: 'does anybody think the new Obama chia pet is racist?' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'http://edudemic.com/2010/11/too-soon-teacher-bans-pens-and-pencils-from-school/' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only in the US of A :)' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: '*resurrect*' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: '???' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'woo! success! :P' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'ahh *fuck' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'damm' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'shampoo is better' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: '2 more years of bush tax cuts' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'aaaagh' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'are there any good reasons for extending tax cuts for people with noticeably above average incomes?' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in this context, "they donate to my campaign" is not a good reason :)' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So that they don't circle the wagons and stop spending.' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Economy works because people think it will work. If you think the economy will do poorly, you stop investing, which makes the economy do poorly.' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in the long run though, you need either (a) massive tax increases, (b) drastic cuts to health care and pensions or (c) an economic miracle to make things work out' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'well b is a no no' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I vote for (d): complete revolution, new government design.' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'haha' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that doesn't really solve the problem though' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'only if I get to be in charge of the guillotine' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'lol' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Nah, Tutal, Mme Guillotine is a French revolutionary, not an American one.' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If gov't spends x% of the cake on health care, pensions, then one way or another it has to take in x% of the cake in taxes' T3/r1/2010-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or, given stable economic growth, x%-growth :)' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why do you think people kill themselves and others?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'they're jerks with bad manners' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if only it was that simple, if they were seen as such then they would be destroyed as they destroyed others' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what is the darkness hiding their persons' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'would you like to watch your mother raped? why do they? what hides them from those who don't like to see their mother raped' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'this is a strange kind of darkness isn't it' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'what? don't use debate to quote something. if you're not quoting something, you're addressing the issue of murder/homocide in a really backwards way that really makes no sense. if you mean, what drives someone like a serial killer to kill, that is one thing, but "i got drunk and accidently hit someone in my car" is different than "i want to rape my mother"' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you're taught that molesting children is wrong, the curious priest at the confessional, but don't see the ignorance in their eye's' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'Please use this channel for it's appropriate use, take what you're saying to music or whatever' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how is it that there are so many controls of power over our lives that we can't see, yet they buy and sell us like meat at a market, and how is this once child not being molested by this priest?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's not music, it's philanthropy' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you debate social psychology and justice' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'You're not saying anything that can be debated, and sound like you're quoting a cheesy metal song. Please either make something resembling a statement, or take it to a more appropriate channel.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you can't see that huh' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'are you really mentally blind?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, you're rambling nonsense again.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they have i's but they see not, ears have they but they do not hear' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'i can haz ambien!? :D' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what you call nonsense is your misunderstanding of my obvious truth' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'those making them will become just like them' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'or what you call truth, is your misunderstanding of your obvious nonsense.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think you say it's nonsense out of fear' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'that's the other way to look at it.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'Please try to state what you're saying in a way that is a statement that other people can respond to or reason with, as opposed to calling me close minded.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'don't like to have a mirror placed onto the injustice that is in your world?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: '1/100 people are crazy, dude. If you see 99 other people that don't act like you, guess what.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Boba Felt stares at the sky. T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'accepted as a given and not addressed' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The world is unjust and will always be unjust. I don't think anyone disagrees with you there.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you'd have a hard time living with yourself if you had any sort of conscience wouldn't you?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'You are dropping so many nouns and pronouns, it is hard to follow you. You haven't said anything more interesting than what Majic just said.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But for example, (Debate) Necroshine: 'how is it that there are so many controls of power over our lives that we can't see, yet they buy and sell us like meat at a market, and how is this once child not being molested by this priest?'' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now you're pretending to be a prophet' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gregor is agreeing with that Necroshine person again... T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say other than that we're controlled by forces that we can't see.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if people are seriously that evil, then shouldn't they all be destroyed so that creatures which aren't evil can survive?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'totally' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'does humanity enjoy appearing like a vat of evil slime that cancerizes everything it touches' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'enjoy, no.....but controlled, as you say.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PenguinGod Galoth: 'thats the best part of being alive' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Speak for yourself -- I know plenty of people I certainly wouldn't characterize as evil and would just as soon not see destroyed.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'controlled evil government, how wonderlandish, the molesting priest inquirees' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Some people are evil, some people are stupid, yes.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'were not any more evil than animals, just more intelligent, so our impact is greater' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'evil is highly subjective, druzil' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'evil people like to manipulate stupid people, don't they' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'no, they should not. Because I am a paragon of virtue and eventually I would have to violate my principles because you were the 2nd-to-last person on Earth.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'molest the priest' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'unlike animals we have the power of rational thought.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'hey little child evil person, how ignorant you were at once' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'rational thought is not a uniquely human trait, Gregor.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'did the priest touch you too?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'I was touched by an angel.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'this might be an angel here' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is there some good slime and some bad slime? bad is a difficult thing to define in a commutable form' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it really sucks to watch what isn't done, being done in the opposite direction, aka insight' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'yes. Good slime: what comes out of a woman when she goes stiff as a board and screams out OH GOD! YES, YES-OH GAAWWWWDDDDDDD!. Bad slime: you realize she also had diarrhea.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think this here is part of what drives people to suicide' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'sex?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's probably one of the rings, can we invent 2 more and see their lord?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but that is a material scenario, insight is observing what's not within the world but is in yourself' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sometimes they line up , and sometimes one can wonder if this is happening somewhere in this moment, and my thoughts aren't hollow visions' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'qr' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'seeing how horrible something is, the haunting vision from the inside, reflected from without, growing in intensity and brightness until one dies' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's alot of how i think people who are suicidal think, i have my down' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'more effort is put into the proliferation of evil than in its disappearance' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some people just can't handle the constant sight' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and somehow others manage to indulge in it, great ones they think not of others, through their eyes perceive not their plight, through your own consider dinner in sight' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is that like a riddle?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think that's a similar topic i was trying to debate earlier, an obvious reality to me, how i see fit' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if you can't understand me, then i think the bulls horns you think you have have you' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'he's a literary vegetarian. And he really loves his word salad.' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Necro, did you go off your meds again?' T3/r1/2010-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'i think he is confusing the debate channel for the echo channel' T3/r1/2010-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why, since when is "douche" a bleeped word?' T3/r1/2010-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's as ridiculous as Judge Judy bleeping "rape".' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lady Varelis: 'I'm being ridiculously entertained by the fact that someone's actually filibustering in the US senate right now' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maaloc: 'what are they filibustering now?' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'why? They do it ALL the time there...' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maaloc: 'the filibuster is broke... needs reform :(' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lady Varelis: 'no, there's someone who's *actually* filibustering, ala Mr Smith goes to washington' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'the vote on whether Voinovich's comments are appropriate or not' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amalcon: 'They don't normally *actually* do it, though, they normally just declare one' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lady Varelis: 'been on the floor for about 9 hours already' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maaloc: 'who is it?' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lady Varelis: 'Sanders from Vermont' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lady Varelis: 'he's upset at the tax deal' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maaloc: 'well good for him/her' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lady Varelis: 'I must say, I agree with him.. for all the pre-election buzz about the deficit, ending the tax cuts actually helps fix the busted budget to a point' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maaloc: 'lets not forget... the reason why the tax cuts were set to expire was because a previous senate decided that makeing them end someday would be "revenue neutral"' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maaloc: 'at least that was their public excuse...' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'is Sanders a Dem?' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maaloc: 'i say let them all expire, i'm tired of riding on shitty roads' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'extending tax cuts for people with 100k+ income = not very clever' T3/r1/2010-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'where "clever" means good for the US in the long run' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'Perhaps love is like a resting place, a shelter from the storm....' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's funny how I never noticed that Bill Clinton is exceptionally good at improvising when left in front of a crowd' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, I never noticed when he was president, at least' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama is probably better when given a script, but sort of falls through without one, it seems' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kuhle: 'He learned improv from Monica' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '"U.S. Health-Care Law's Mandate Thrown Out by Judge" ... buwahwa, told you Obamacare would not stand.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'What level of judge? And why?' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'The Obama administrations requirement that most citizens maintain minimum health coverage as part of a broad overhaul of the industry is unconstitutional a federal judge ruled, striking down the linchpin of the plan.... same reason i said.. unconstituional' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-13/u-s-health-care-law-requirement-thrown-out-by-judge.html' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'It will be appealed.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'they can appeal all they want, but will loose.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'Ok, legal expert' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'Hop eso' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'dont need to be a legal expert to know this is unconstitutional.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'Acid: you should know better...' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'what is unconstitutional and what is ruled unconstitutional are not the same' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Ceasar, thats a valid statement.. but this is not one of those rulings.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'Well, I agree that the power to regulate interstate commerce does not mean the government can force people to buy insurance.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'But it's been ruled to cover things like growing your own weed, so...' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: '(not sure how that is "interstate")' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'And that is why i said this would fail, this goes to the "core" of what our foundation is pretty much.. lol.. so, the left can scream all they want.. the Day something like that passes, they day america is no longer america.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'granted we are probably damn 150 degrees out of whack anyways' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'weed is interstate because of med mari-jane.. certain states its legal under certain weight limits, and there are a few counties legally that can grow it out west' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '#3 cash crop in California? :)' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'its that low? figured it be #1' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'But if you use it yourself it's not interstate' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'just because it "could" be transported' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'its interstate if you get a prescription of it and have to mail it to a non-cali address :P' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'Sure. If.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it happens quite often...' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'That's nice. So they can regulate that.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'of course, but they can put in in a correct bill.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'Although it isn't currently being enforced, doesn't federal law actually prohibit it, totally?' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Fed law says it is illegal, yes. But alot of times the Fed will not superceed state/local laws.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'even though the "books" might say so.. unless its a local problem.. they tend to just look the other way.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'im trying to think of the town out in california.. i think 60% of the population grows and the community is nothing more then a weed grow/distribution area but the DEA will not enforce anything because the local community "voted" for legalization and what not.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Save a Rezit: 'Local laws cannot circumvent national laws' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your correct, but its not true in practice.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'yes, it is: http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_16820700?nclick_check=1' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and what about sanctuary cities? That does against Fed immigration laws.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'Laws get goofy when they aren't enforced properly' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'btw, do you have a link to the actual ruling? I want to see exactly what the judge said.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: '(for the health care bill)' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i have not read the actual ruling yet, i just saw that article in passing and figured i would post it.' T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hail! Ceasar goes, "OK". T3/r2/2010-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'ill do some digging and see if i can find the actual judge response' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'lol http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/judge-who-ruled-health-care-reform-unconstitutional-owns-piece-of-gop-consulting-firm.php?ref=fpi ' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'your argument makes you a nazi' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'so, how about those ww2 atrocities?' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lies' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'I'm against them.' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Someone Semoene: 'I'm debating if I should turn this channel or not.' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Someone Semoene: 'The committee votes a resounding NO.' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'your position is untenable' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Falkenrath: 'I'm debating whether or not I should debate with you about whether you should debate about turning the debate channel off or not. ' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'im dbating your last sstatement' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I have hot chocolate; your position is invalid.' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Someone Semoene starts cussing up a storm. "GodDamnIt MotherFuckerBitches!!" T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Someone Semoene. T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Now THAT is a position we can all get behind.' T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You see Remarto invoking an ancient chant to summon a certain Nine-lifed Enchanter. T3/r2/2010-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto knows THE secret! Lets force it outta him! T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'Huh. For the first time in 30 years, marijuana use among high schoolers has surpassed "regular" cigarette use.' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'This year, 21.4% of high school seniors said they had used marijuana in the last 30 days, while 19.2% reported smoking cigarettes in the same time period, according to the annual "Monitoring the Future" survey from the National Institute on Drug Abuse.' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'It's not abuse, people are wising up and smoking something that's better and has a decent benefit to it :P' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'And it's cheaper too' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'Percentage of senior that say they smoke pot daily: 6.1%' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'daily is a bit excessive' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'I've got a fun survery...let's do one that compares the average seniors on daily and 30 day basis to the Aardwolfians :)' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: '1 in 3 admitted to smoking pot at some point in the last year' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a kid who comes to our class stoned, i swear talking to him is like talking to a wall, he sits there with his mouth hanging open looking at the ceiling' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'He's not stoned then...he's on something else.' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'He smells like pot, he might be doing something else as well.' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'I smoke on an ALMOST daily basis...and I've NEVER had my mouth open like I'm catching something staring at the ceiling lol. He's probably got it laced with something.' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Why would someone do that before going to class anyways?' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Maybe he smokes more than you do or maybe he's more susceptible to it.' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'In all my time even watching/introducing people to it, I've NEVER seen that lol' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rbxov7CVi8&feature=player_embedded This is either fake or hilarious.' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A seriously homo-erotic acrobatic performance performed in front of the pope in his seat in the Holy See. Nuns cheer.' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'looks like standard acrobat stuff' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://bible.cc/exodus/35-2.htm' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'pretty rad' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'Genesis Chapter 19 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father." ' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'boom chicka wha wha' T3/r2/2010-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'lol' T3/r2/2010-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcKZl7lXy7c' T3/r2/2010-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In a move that surprised nobody, a whole bunch of Republicans Senators who prior to the November elections made sure to stall the vote on DADT with filibusters today voted to have it repealed after they were re-elected. Political grand-standing and greed at work, guys. ' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'who do you prefer for lighting your fire? Jose Feliciano or Jim Morrison?' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I like Lightning lighting my fires.' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'I fell into a burning ring of fire' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Had some spicy chili?' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'no, but she must've...' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'it BURNS! :(' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'I went down down down, and the flames went higher' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Oh, I see. Gonhorrhea?' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRlj5vjp3Ko' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'no, backdoor.' T3/r2/2010-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'She went down' T3/r2/2010-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krautopia: 'h' T3/r2/2010-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krautopia: 'h' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the fuck is wrong with ads nowadays? They've started with flash/JAVA-ads with SOUND. LOUD sounds. Music, annoying animal braying, etc. It makes just close the tab most times. Seriously, have some forcockta studies found that if you annoy the crap out of people with sound-based ads, they're more likely to click on the link?' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'adblocker ftw' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Optimus Cosmi is agreeing with that Redryn person again... T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'not if you make the link look like an x box' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'What's happened is that webmasters are trying to stay alive, if you really want to know.' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have AdBlocker Plus. Now how do I disable this shit?' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Check for new updates, they update the standard lists regularly' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'upgrade to the latest version of your browser, Chrome already having the shit removed and IE/FF either having their latest versions just released or about to.' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'adpeople are using some sort of simple and common-as-hell 10-line loophole of a feature to snatch your browser history so they can target ads specifically to you.' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The "Block"-tab for AdBlocker Plus won't appear for some ads for some reason...' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'basically, if you've ever been to a site with ads everyone knows if you've looked at porn or not.' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some messed up stuff goin on in my provinces health care, in the usa doctors exposed this drug for bone loss/blood sedementation rate called something like actonel, for being directly responsible for many peoples deaths, but here in my province in canada, i don't know if it's a national legislation or not, some how, they use a drug called ditrocel or similar spelling for doctors to observe the patients reaction to, beneficial or not or whatever, and if this drug doesn't work, their default decision is to prescribe the actonel' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the drug ditrocel has been proven by orthopedic professionals and statistics to be absolutely worthless' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what kind of a basis is that to make a deadly prescription on?' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and the reason they know it's worthless is because they do follow up s on women who take it' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but the actonel has proven to be fatal' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'this is in saskatchewan legislation/medical practice, i wonder if it is the same in alberta and the other provinces' T3/r2/2010-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's a case for a lawyer' T3/r2/2010-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): L33tM4st3r Lashan begins to yodel: HEY!! CLERICS!! I COULD USE A HEAL!!! T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'temple of set creator , ex-cia operative, owner of a knife owned by one of hitlers commanders, and conductor of a satanic ritual in his castle in germany: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSgTjKo7ZqI' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'us government and the devil interconnected at all?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'same guys that were behind hitler are in the white house atm' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'how can the government be connected to a fiction entity ?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe they don't think he's so fictinoal' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'king james didn't, he owned scottland and england' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'bush sr's dad...' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'if i imagine fairy in my garden does that make them real ?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in your own mind it seems to be considerable' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'the force behind a belief, if sufficiently popular, can be as powerful as if the object of the belief came down and visibly interacted with people every day.' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'temple of set is about mind control' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well yes, if a bunch of cattle get spooked you don't stand in thier way' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Prescott Bush may have made money from dealing with the german government during ww2, but the ADL defended him, so you know he must have been a good guy' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah... he must have been, cause his kids were awesome' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that too, of course :)' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laughs out loud. T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'They must have weapons of mass destruction!' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'or i'll look stupid' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'dr.abulaish, why is the israli government unable to observe its tanks shooting his home while on live tv, killing his 3 daughters, and apologize for its actions?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'why do you refer to the isreali govt as 'he' ?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'he seems to live in the area of land called israel' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but i refered to teh one before the coma' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so i see that on the news, and it's supposed to be not questioned by me, instead left to the deviltastic view of the 'smart ones', to decypher for me or hide from the news' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'correct' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's not too far from home though, http://www.thepanamanews.com/pn/v_11/issue_03/opinion_04.html Venzuela: journalist to be prosecuted in case of leaked documents' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's where the russian government owned and indian government owned oil corps make them rich' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'prosecuted for disclosing information regarding the murder of the prosecutor : The Attorney General's Office announced on January 31 that Poleo would be prosecuted for publicizing confidential information in the investigation into the November 2004 murder of prosecutor Danilo Anderson. The government recently launched an investigation into the leak, which has been attributed to police officers. ' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what kind of thing is the law to you' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'an asshole with a gun for justice' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'after his heart muscle stops greasing its filth onto the earth, the heir' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'your use of pro-nouns is horrible' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'thanks, i'm reverse matlocking you' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nimwit Maaloc: 'i'm anti-noun personally' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'seeing what you see, since you project so faithfully' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'consider the sentence "Lisa gave the coat to Phil." All three nouns in the sentence can be replaced by pronouns: "She gave it to him." If the coat, Lisa, and Phil have been previously mentioned, the listener can deduce what the pronouns she, it and him refer to and therefore understand the meaning of the sentence' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there was something like 2 independent news agencies in venezuela in 2008, and one of their owners died last year' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so what's really goin on there' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'bad lifestyle choices ?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sounds like you're using my mothers name in a sentence' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'does this mean i should drive to her residence and start hunting you down?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'bring it any time face to face' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'bug my family and it rests on your childrends graves' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'necro, do you sometimes hear voices that nobody else hears ?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you speak to yourself in your head to think legibly?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'hypocrite' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i'll take your avoidance of a straight answer as yes' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'll take your acknowledgement of a straight jacket as a answer' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lets tear that voice out of your head that gives your thoughts voice' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'get back on the meds dude' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you seem to be showing signs of schizophrenia and need some medicating' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'didn't Paramore use the words "stop", "now", and "orelse" to refer to this conversation before?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't remember seeing anything, but you could insert it into history to forget to remember for me' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'why don't you ask paramore?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'can't handle to debate , raising personal attacks and unable to respond without threatening my family' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'sign of the beast' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'par wasnt specific about what aspect of the conversation, and i was unable to whois it to determine whether the request had any weight' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't fear the beast in the least' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'neither do i :)' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is he from the east? the antichrist did he speak' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'fear is his weapon' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'http://www.digitalroom.net/humour/argument.html' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So. Can anyone else tell me the first three perfect numbers?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they're all divisible by 0' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '2 3 5?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: '6, 28, 496' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Necro, lolno, Redryn, no, those are the first three primes.' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'oh right' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Right you are, Riddim.' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn goes, "Heh." T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'durr' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Riddim, can you share what makes a number perfect?' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'the sum of its divisors' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'We don't give credit for half-answers.' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the sum of its proper divisors adds up to itself.' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dispel Majic. T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'an, a positive integer' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Today, the 28th of December, is my 28th birthday.' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you should have a perfect year!' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'although my 28th year was shitty :(' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'It's assumed that it's a positive integer, since if you include negatives, all divisors add up to zero.' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'perfectly horrible :D' T3/r2/2010-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Hey, so long as it's better than my 27th year, I'm happy.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Have fun, conservative netizens. The Republicans are not waging war on net neutrality, claiming it's about censorship. Oh, the idiocy... and their base will probably buy it.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not what?' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you tell me' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'O... K...' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I must have missed something..are we supposed to oppose net neutrality?' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. But the conservatives are because certain corporations do.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I think Yuna missed a letter.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oooh. I get what Fiendish was trying to say.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Have fun, conservative netizens. The Republicans are NOW waging war on net neutrality, claiming it's about censorship. Oh, the idiocy... and their base will probably buy it.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So their argument is that Net Neutrality is all about regulation and censorship of ideas you don't like, which is why they're going to fight against it when anyone who knows how to read and has a brain knows it's the exact opposite.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Wait, how could they argue that controlling the internet PREVENTS censorship??? ' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I seem to recall a letter to the FCC signed by 74 democrat congressmen opposing net neutrality rules' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I suggest that your "OMGREPUBLICANS" perspective is somewhat skewed.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except that's just 74 democrats. The Republicans AS A WHOLE have vowed to fight Net Neutrality.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'define "as a whole"' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'It might be wishful thinking on my part, but I just don't believe they will be able to really put down net neutrality' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They already did in 2006 when they defeated the 2006 proposal fo rNet Neutrality.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And they've done so ever since. Let me get a good source for the Republicans currently fighting against Net Neutrality.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'The most they could do, ultimately, is to find a way to tax internet purchases' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'wouldn't that be funny' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, I can't find any recent instance where a whole bunch of Republicans proposed legislation curbing Net Neutrality, but I can find single instances where a handful of them do and it's very seldom the same Republicans, so it's quite a few of them.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Let's face it, you don't like republicians and that IS affecting your belief on the future of net neutrality... ' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I say that not being a republican, either' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, leading Republicans want Net neutrality repealed: House Majority Speaker and Majority Whip (Boehner and Cantor).' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'With Boehner claiming his House Majority will work to repeal Net Neutrality. I doubt he said that without speaking to the GOP establishment first.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'That doesn't mean it will be, or that it has even garnered enough support, so far I've only hear techies mention it ' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, yeah, the GOP is as a whole against Net Neutrality.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'That seems very against what their traditional platforms are...' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'so does a lot of what the GOP does.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Upton, soon-to-be chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee signals the GOP will work to repeal Net Neutrality as well.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I don't see it surviving the mainstream debate, it just reeks of what they do in China...' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the vote for Net Neutrality was split down the party line. So, yah, the GOP is against Net neutrality. Rejoice, conservative Netizens.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The GOP doesn't really care what the people want sometimes. They fought tooth and nail (and some of them are STILL fighting) against the repeal of DADT for years.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Think of the economic impact...they wouldn't be able to survive politically... ' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And to this very day, some of them still claim that most Americans would not like the policy repealed.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You overestimate the intelligence of the average voter...' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And their ability to fact-check their own party...' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'DADT You understimate their love of their own money, the average slob sitting at home on facebook isn't going to agree to pay their ISP for access to something they have had for free for years ESPECIALLY when their ISP wasn't the original producer...' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'DADT will lead to some problems actually, also I believe it should have been repealed as well' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Uh... what? Since when will net Neutrality lead to more charges for the consumer?' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DADT won't lead to any problems that don't have to do with bigots being bigots. "If you don't like gays, stay home or shut up", that should be the policy.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tobe: 'why did you throw "DADT" in there?' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'that was a MT' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'If ISP are allowed to funnel traffic a certain way, they can charge you for accessing certain sites, even if those original sites don't charge you at all' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Many Western (and some not-Western) armed forces have allowed gays to serve openly for years with zero problems.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're talking about a LACK of Net Neutrality then.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I know all about it, trust me, gays SHOULD be allowed in their' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tobe: 'geh again' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The average slob was against health care reform for gods knows why.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's just say that the average slob doesn't know what's best for them someties.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'there WILL be some problems, BUT, it is the same with gun control or any type of FREEDOM, there will be some who abuse the system, but you cannot hinder freedom because some might abuse it, that is, Un-American in its very essence' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Probably because they thought healthcare reform = death panels.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the average slob didn't seem to concerned when the Republicans voted down extended benefits for the unemployed and medical healthcare for 9/11 first respondent rescue workers, yet voted through an extended period for the Bush tax cuts for the very wealthy.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The average slob is ILL-INFORMED and STUPID.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'the death panel was just a political tactic, they didn't believe that, they were just trying to oppose healthcare because it was one of Obama's main platforms..' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't tell that to the thousand or possibly millions of hicks who bought that argument hook, nail and sinker.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Trust me, if Faux Noise spouts it, a lot of idiots will believe it.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'YOU'LL DIE. Death panels death panels HITLER Obama death panels.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that at least one Birther is currently serving in the senate shows how very little the voters care for intelligence and, you know, sanity, when it comes to politics.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I used to be for the healthcare reforms as a firefighter/paramedic... but I believe it was done simply too fast and there was wayy too much change' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. We can thank the GOP for that.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Hear about the birther Army officer who refused to deploy to afghanistan?' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Well, it is consistent logic, you are ordered by the president but if that president is illegally president (in your own mind) then the order is null and void' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Except it wasn'' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Except it wasn't the President who ordered him to deploy, it was his commanding officer.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Even if the President isn't really the President, his CO is really his CO.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Maybe... the birther probably justified it since the 'president' was the source of the order' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who cares what's "in your mind"?' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'That's the only thing that matters in EVERYONE's Mind...' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If some fuckwit thinks God is telling him to kill the President and he does, is he innocent of any crime because "in his mind", he was doing God's work?' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'So, by that logic he doesn't have to obey ANY order. The man continued to draw Army pay and benefits for two years, despite having disavowed any obligation to obey any order given by anybody.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Birthers are insane half-wits who need to be institutionalized.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Rembrandt, well, yeah...I didn't say I thought he was right...' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you refuse to follow an order, you are dishonorably discharged.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So any Birther can just stand up and say "I'm a Birther" and leave. Good riddance.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'No, Aterius, you didn't. I don't think many others think he's right either.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'The officer got 6 months in prison and a dishonorable discharge.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well duh.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'The biggest thing, that everyone agrees with, and that I wish Obama, especially since he was on Harvard Law Review, and that I voted for him, is tort reform...that would have done more for the healthcare industry than anything else... ' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'And to be fair, it IS a tricky subject to tackle...' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama's problem is that the GOP has vowed to vote down all of his bills out of spite. So he needs every single democratic vote and every independent vote just to beat the filibuster.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why does the filibuster even exist?' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'politics...' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krys: 'To prevent a minority vote from being steamrolled' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're in the minority for a reason.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'so you believe the majority should always win?' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Which is the OPPOSITE of America lol' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but I believe a minority shouldn't be able to block even DEBATE on an issue.' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'agreed!' T3/r2/2010-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'There needs to be more political discussion, about the concept of Nanotechnology, imo that is the most important idea..' T3/r2/2010-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Where is the Bush misunderestimate quote from? 2000 elections somewhere?' T3/r2/2010-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'according to wikipedia, Bentonville, Arkansas' T3/r2/2010-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7809160.stm' T3/r2/2010-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'Bentonville, Arkansas' T3/r2/2010-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'November 6, 2000 ((' T3/r2/2010-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'go razorbacks!' T3/r2/2010-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'arglebargle glop glyph' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am still waiting for the day I can kill 15 mobs in 10 different areas in under 30 seconds. I must not be very good at math because no matter how i slice it, it takes me around 20 seconds minimum to type the entirety of commands required to display the list, travel to the areas, enter the kill commands(s). So I have to figure out how to kill 15 separate mobs in 10 seconds or less. That comes out to 1.5 per mob. I am not even taking into consideration that the signal from my computer to the server and back takes a (very small but) finite amount of time...' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'tl;dr' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'great, that makes sense. How about execution time?' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and I am really hoping that your "dr" alias doesn't include a kill order.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'use a faster computer, a faster keyboard, learn to speedtype, and score some legal amphetamines ...' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's crap, and you know it, Xyliz. I have a state of the art computer and I run on a T1 line.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'GCPs, scripts, and a killbot.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'also, use of golden chaos portals may be required' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but killbots are not used, that's why I don't understand how they can do it so fast.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'using chaos portals require a finite amount time also. Besides, they only go to the entrance.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No, they don't' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'um, that's area portals. chaos portals go to whatever room they go to' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You're thinking of trivia portals.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, I take it back. But the odds of the mob being at the entry point is statistically low.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'scripts with an AI glean and prepare the data into buttons -- you press a button to travel to each mob, and press another button to kill the mob' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see. Sort of the difference between and an automatic and a semi-automatic weapon, you just flip a switch :)' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '.2 seconds to press the first buton, 1.0 seconds to tavel to the mob, .2 seconds to press the button to kill the mob, .2 seconds to complete the kill he mob, and press the next button' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '0.2 seconds to kill a mob, that's an interesting timing estimate.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'If you kill on the 'free' first hit, it's good. If you don't... well, you might have up to a three second wait.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said round trip to the server and back is small but finite and it's around 0.2 seconds....' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but that is a lot of script programming -- that guy is a big rl loser to spend all that effort on a text -- unless a rich billionaire that hires other programmers to code those scripts' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so killing 15 mobs should take around 3 seconds of overhead. Not counting travel time.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'text game' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true but if one has ascript that reads the gq list and pops out N number of buttons which then one proceeds to click with a mouse... Where is the text?' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the effort to prepare the mob and room databases, the AI scripts to process the GQ lists into button arrays -- that is a lot of preparation' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, but that's programming, not mudding.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'le me pose it another way. If scripts were barred from gqs, how many 30-second gqs would we see?' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the AI scripts to process informion from areas into mob/room/area mobwalk/roomwalk/areatravel databases' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I understand the process, the question is how far can the process be carried out before the program is actually doing the gq.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the button pressing proves that the player is at the keyboard' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the "button press" is a matter of honor... there is no way to tell without deep discovery tools whether the button is actually being clicked or not. I have buttons that I click to do certain things. To turn autoloot on or off, for instance. However, I can also enter autoloot manually. Either way, the button reflects the state of autoloot. If one walked to my comp and looked at the button, they could not determine empirically whether I typed the command or clicked the button.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'just a minor point: some people enjoy coding, just for the coding itself, the game itself is only side benefit. I don't think Fiendish got anything tangible out of his mushclient efforts, for example. Now, getting the right GCPs is what I would call major effort. But there could be someone that enjoys both tasks, or two people that share.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love to program, so I understand your point. But the rules of this games limt the amount of programming. However, in most cases the limitation has to be self-imposed... a matter of honor.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and some things I've seen happen make me doubt that this self-imposition is completely shared by the community.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some folk admire those able to code uber-scripts -- a legal uber-fast gqscript is a work of art' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'one thing worth pointing out is that to get to 30sec gq you need to be a hell of a player as well. i.e. best speedwalks, poetals etc + code. otherwise no matter how much of programming you do it still takes too long ' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'granted, but I still not convinced that it is possible to go to 10 different areas and execute 15 mobs can be done at an average of 1.5 sec/mob in a practical manner if at some point there has to be manual intervention. The assumption that commands sent to the mud and the response from the mud takes a negligible amount of time can easily be proven wrong.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for one thing, the mud is not a dedicated server, it is a time-sharing server, rotating through all the players, and unless the gq-er is the first in the queue, he/she was to wait a finite amount of time before getting serviced.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'f2 goto mob room, f3 kill mob...that is quite quick for the hand...' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the avarage keyboard clicks a character each 0.1 seconds (enforced).' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'no every gq win requires to be in 30 seconds -- but some GQs do lend themselves to AI scripts providing an uber-fast button pressing run' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as long as you can guarantee that the buttons are being pressed with the mouse and not programmatically.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '30 seconds is a long while if travel to each of 15 mobs mob is done in one second each' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'aff' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'maybe the solution is to give a real nice prize to a player that reaches x gp wins and at the same time not allow him to participate to new ones? ' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's not a really a solution because it does not address the possible abuse.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'agreed but at least you remove the most obvious suspects.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'don't be an envious greedy sore lazy loser -- if you want to win at DQs, code faster scripts and datbases, and don't block the fun of smart script programmers' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nimwit Soma: 'what if script programmers are ruining my fun?' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tough' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you are inferior, get used to losing' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not a sore loser, and can out-program most people on this planet, as matter of simple fact. I could bot a gq if I wanted to, but that is against the rules. I would appreciate if all followed the same rule.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nimwit Soma: 'I don't feel like being a loser with 395 GQ win as a T0 with no script' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'I don't think is scripting...it's actually mud knowledge/eq + scripting.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'however got to the point where it's not fun for the other player...' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a lot more programming skill is required to code a button-pressing script than a automatic botscript' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously you are not much of a programmer if you think so.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'say similar to you' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the difference between a bot and your so-called button pusing script is minimal.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I explained before, you can have the script push the button (which obviates the need for said button).' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a lot more overhead with a button pressing script -- a lot of checks to avoid being flagged and accused as a bot' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly. The difference is technical, and as I pointed out before, there is no way to tell whether you or the script push the button. So putting a button on the screen (to show a "screenshot" of your button pushing script) does not mean that you are actually moving the mouse and clicking on it. All it says is that you put a button on the screen.' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bot scripts are usually "stupid" when spoofed by bot-check output from the mud -- a human usually stopped pressing buttons when disrupted by the unusual - a botscript may or may bot stop responding' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a lot of the fun in mudding is coding scripts' T3/r2/2010-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'stupid scritps fail bot-checks, true. But there is no need to write stupid scripts.'