T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: is there a way to turn up the volume of sound output in mushclient ?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I don't know of any. You'll have to tune volume of other sound sources relative to mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm. Folder contains a sub-folder, inside the folder is a movie file, that the program can't find. It shows the file in my explorer, the file has a name, date, etc, but i can't modify it, it won't let me delete it because it says it doesn't exist, and none of the folder/sub-folders above it can be changed/modified/anything because of it...how in the heck do i fix it?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: that what program can't find?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Explore finds it, it just says it doesn't exist when i try and do anything with it
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: look for special characters in the name, including leading/trailing spaces
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this on linux or 'doze?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: unless you're on a really outdated windows OS.. they have support for unicode
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: though, if you're language set is not that of the file, in the case that it's an executable, you won't be able to run without a registry edit
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: but looks like it's a movie
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: if explorer can find it, it already used the multibyte functions to acknowledge it's existance, it's not that it could have funky characters 
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: No special charaters, no spaces.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: Cheezburger, service pack update anywhere?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Checked all folders and subfolders and the original file.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: What do you mean, Shakia?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: assuming you're on windows, because you said 'Explorer', is there a service pack udpate available?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: and do you _want_ to delete it, or do you want to just access it\watch it?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I want to delete it
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: try in CMD
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: kill explorer.exe and open cmd from taks manager, cd to directory, delete the file, re-run explorer
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: old service pack for vista, and probably for win7 has some dumb bugs, what you're saying reminds me of what i had to do 
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: (rather, try to delete the file if you find it in the dir listing)
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: if it's not an OS bug, then it's something worse
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: have you rebooted etc?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: if that method doesn't work, just try rebooting and seeing if you can delete it from explorer then
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Can't seem to cd to the location
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Can't even get into the F:\ drive through cmd
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: says it doesn't exist?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this a flash drive?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: external HD
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: it's on the external.. then it's probably the externals fault in this scenario
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: if it doens't fix after reboot, run a chkdsk on it
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: to get to the f drive, don't cd, just type f:
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Ahh, thanks :)
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, neither del or erase will remove it
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: it asked for confirmation when i tried to erase, but then did nothing
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: then it's not explorer.exe that's causing the bug (so your serviec pack is probably fine)
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: ruling out some programs that can conflict is a good way to fix problems, especially with outdated service packs
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: can you (from explorer) view the properties of the file? or no
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: you get a popup menu for it though?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: if the file is actually able to be accessed (i.e it actually exists, instead of being fragmented)
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: other files on the drive working fine? try a quick eject & remount
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: also, what application in particular couldn't find it? (assuming you used another app to try to delete it, since you said you couldn't from explorer)
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, many
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: All other work fine, abe
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: well, if others work fine, chkdsk probably wouldn't be worth running
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Just plugged device into linux, and it won't do it either. When i try sudo rm -rf i get read only error, when i chmod it remains read only, even when run through sudo and su
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Reports no error when i chmod, it just doesn't change
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: how bigs' the file?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: just out of curiosity
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: is the drive mounted r/w?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can't chmod a file to have wright perms if the volume is read-only
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: write*
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: 700 Kb
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: 700k Kb
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Yes abe
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, you mean 700Mb, then (du -h is a great tool ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: so is ls -sh
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Had -H instead of -h :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: So was messed up first time :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: that file must be toast
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: only other thing i can think of is to run chkdsk, with /F
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: as long as it's not in use you should be able to get away with it without rebooting
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: though knowing windows, the driver interacting with it counts
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Heh, helps to have the damn thing mounted before i try to chkdsk
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Forgot i had unmounted to try it inside linux :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: CHDSK is running now, we'll see if it works after it completes
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: could've found broken records in linux too
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Oh?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: What's the command?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: fsck
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, never used that before.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: chkdsk completed, still can't remove either command line or through explorer.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: can you put anything on it and then try to delete it?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, i deleted other directories/files fine. I was just clearing off the crap i didn't need anymore to open up some space when i found out that i couldn't remove one of the directories anymore.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: The files is in F:/DeleteThis/Downloads/VampAssistant.avi, i deleted everything else out of DeleteThis just fine, just now Downloads because of VampAssistant.avi
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: s/now/not
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: did you rename that folder before you went to delete the files, or did you move everything into that folder?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I deleted everything out of it, then renamed it to see if i could
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: so it's literally just that file, e.g you can rename the /DeleteThis/ folder?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, i can rename DeleteThis and Downloads, just no VampAssistant.avi
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: it's just that one file being a major pain in the ass.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: well, didn't really think chkdsk would find anything, since nothing else was exerting problems
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: instead of just chkdsk /F, can try chkdsk /R or /B which look for bad blocks...but tbh, at this point, i'd prolly just copy everything you care about, then reformat (NOT a quick format though)
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: since you've already gone over the permissions of the folder, and you appear to know they're set to allow it (and since you've said you deleted everything else in there) 
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Ok, so i was wrong on one part of this
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: logically, the only other thing to conclude is permissions, but..
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: hmm?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rofl, necro's mentioning chico on gossip :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: it's located at F:/DeleteThis/DeleteThisToo/Vampire's Assistant/VampAss.avi, and i can't do anything with "Vampire's Assistant" either, i assume it's the "'" doing it?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hehe :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: That was my job in xunti :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cain killd Abelinc mentions something about his first response about the problem :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Doesn't keep gossip on.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: nods, how do i fix it though?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: The "'" is hassleing it both command line and gui
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia boggles at the concept.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you click on the Vampire's Assistant folder in explorer, does it highlight?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: apostrophe shouldn't disallow you to do anything with that file
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: just double-checked on my box
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: not sure on externals though
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kapar Tech: Can you access the folder through the Command Prompt, using cd Vamp* to get to inside the folder, then deleting it using just the file name?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: kapar, he said he couldn't delete it from CMD
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kapar Tech: Ah, joined late for that.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: got him to remove explorer from the equation
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: just to see if it wasn't an outdated service pack causing the problem
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: CMD can't find the file at all, it shows it in dir, but won't change to it or see it when i try to rename
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: any characters that would actually mess up access of the drive (and this isn't by design, this is because they're reserved) aren't allowed to be used
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: least on windows
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Does it just think the folder name is Vampire (truncating at the apostrophe)?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: you're saying you can't CD to the folder /Vampire's Assistant/ ?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: in cmd
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Can you do something like 'rename Vampire junk'?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nope
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: oh nevermind, you said it shows it in the dir
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: ## arnica
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: @*
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, shows in DIR --> 01/01/2011  01:40 AM    <DIR>          Vampire's Assistant
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you click on the foldername with the apostrophe, wait a second, then click on its name again, do you get a rename edit?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Yes
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: but you can or can't cd to it?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia snickers softly.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: take out the apostrophe when you get the rename edit
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Tried renaming, says it "isn't located in the specified location anymore, please check the file and try again"
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Tried just removing the ', renaming it completely, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: i put a bat called 'look' in /sys32/ to echo dir
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: try using double slashes to escape the apostrophe, e.g., //Vampire's Assist*
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: appears to be the apostrophe acting up on the external then.. like abes original conclusion, main drives don't seem to be bothered as far as i checked
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia looks at you and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, finally an error with something informational -- 01/01/2011  01:40 AM    <DIR>          Vampire's Assistant
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: woops
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: the more the merrier
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: This --> CMD does not support UNC paths as current directories.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: you know, the last time this error was updated on a kb-article was for windows nt 4.0..
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, a local drive shouldn't be using a unc path
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that kb is on a slightly-different error
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: aye, forking
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note unc names instead of unc paths
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: A registry hack posted here, no idea if it is valid. http://www.oraxcel.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1218443170
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: but UNC paths are fun, how else am i going to read\write to my drivers
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Ahh, i think i see the issue
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I don't think it's the "'" but the trailing space at the end of the name, that i only see now that i mounted it back on linux and output the name with quotes around it.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2 points for Abe :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: hey, i couldn't see it
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: It didn't show up in the rename dialoq in explorer :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, it showed up, you just couldn't see it :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: When i went to rename it, there was no space, i checked several times
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: it didn't show up in what he said the folder name was
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: hence the different conclusion :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nah, i clicked at the end and hit the -> arrow, there was nothing following it
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Still can't seem to access it either way to change it
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia peers at you intently. 
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I give up. I can give up 700Mb out of my 1k Gb avail on the disk.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: Why not just say 1 TB? :-D
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I like my way better :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: Your way is old, get with the times :)
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kapar Tech: Not quite 1 TB, gotta be precise. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia rapidly nods twice at Kapar, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: It's a TB drive :p
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kapar Tech: A TB drive stll is rarely a TB. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: And now it's 700Mb shier of a TB :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, it reports 930 Gb avail instead of 1k :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GentooX Tech: disk companies measured them in bytes in not M,G or T bytes
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: what is a good sqllite browseranswer vampire makes awesome pally
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: doh
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Huh? lol
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: and yes, yes it does
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sqlite database browser is a simple gui browser
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: The only time i make my pet engage in combat is when i typo'd it's name and make it attack a mob while i walk out so it'll die :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: mischan
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: i'm trying to find and browse the sqlite db used by the gmcp mapper in the mush beta, using the sqlite database browser from sourceforge, i open ./mushclientbeta/aardwolf.db but i see no structure or data, any ideas what im doing wrong ?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's an sqlite db?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i thought it was just a plain text file, unless it's been updated since the last time i looked at it
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: believe so
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: well from the mapper source       db    = assert (sqlite3.open(GetInfo (66) .. Trim (WorldName ()) .. ".db"))
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: I think it's a mysql db?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Looks like sqlite to me :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: definitely wouldn't be mysql
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, SQLite format 3
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: is i likely that i can see anything in the db browser because aard has the db open and locked or something ?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that's odd, try another browser i guess
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i can't open it in sqlite browser either
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: any recommendations ?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: use the SQLLite manager addin in firefox...works like a charm here
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: restartin firefox now
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inquisite Tech: MUSH client, can you set your spellup script for different alts ? 
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inquisite Tech: meh nm, ill use the ingame. tks
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: yay the firefox sqlite browser works, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: welcome...it's a pretty basic browser but does most of what you need
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: yeah i just wanna poke around atm, see wats happening in there
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Question: when you're tagging music from a compilation album, do you guys put the compilation title for Album, or the original album the tracks were taken from?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I use a special code, based around the year that the song was first written, combined with the year that it was first performed live
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: ... Right.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: and then add in the highest charting position in the UK, US and Australia as additional metadata
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: combined with a list of all the musicians
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: this helps me win a lot of pub quizzes
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Heck, don't care about all of that yet. I just want ot know how you tag the album title :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: actually, I just let the software do tagging for me -- anything else is too much work
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: I'm just gonna go with the Compilation title. I figure I'll organise by CD title, instead of by original Album.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Actually, doubt anyone here would know, but Classical music... anyone got a decent organisation structure for it?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sengir Tech: I usually file it in the round file near my desk.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Well, you start with the first violins on stage right...
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: i would go by composer then piece title then conductor
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Heh.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas gives Sengir the raspberry... PHBT!  What a mess... Spit EVERYWHERE!
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Philistine.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: by album is usually the best. not that i know anything :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: A single hierarchical approach is doomed to failure.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas nods at Not an Imm Erikson.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: all mp3s in a single folder with randomised filenames
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: That's what I'm finding. Easy enough for "popular" music... but classical and other... tagging and folder structure is a nightmare.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: You've got at least a half dozen axes you might want to select on.  There's not really any choice but to have a sufficiently flexible data store behind it and create slices on the fly.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: the movie high fidelity has a good monologue on alum sorting, lol
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Sure, but that's pop.  Doesn't help here   :p
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: ilike albums sorted by relationship disasters
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Anyway, that's why we use computers; in the phyical world, you have to pick a single sorting scheme, but in a computer you just store all the appropriate info and create the organization on the fly however is best suited at the moment.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Only problem is that in the physical world, at least you can scribble whatever heading you want. In tagging music, there's preset tags, and they mostly don't quite work with classical music.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Oh, I dunno.  ID3v2 is pretty flexible.  On the other side, Vorbis comments aren't too bad.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Might have to commandeer a few unused tags, and shoehorn them into place.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Creating a system that transparently does both is a little ugly; one of the current issues on my plate.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: (of course, ID3v1 is hopeless.  But you don't want to bother with that anyway)
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Anyone even still use v1? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: All my classical is sorted by rough timeframe of composition then composer/title
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Oh, I always put v1 tags on.  But they're too coarse to mean much.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: half my mp3s are tagged with v1. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: v2 came way after I started ripping cds
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: half my mp3s aren't tagged
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: For that matter, v2 tags are still too coarse to be a primary source.  You should store your real primary data elsewhere, and just use tags as a convenient derivation.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Indeed. Tags are more for me to sort quickly. The filename and structure will be where most of the hard info will go.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Stil trying to make up my mine what the file/folder structure will look like though :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: mind*
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: heh i dont tag at all, i just use the filenames
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: For instance, you have a tag for the soloist.  But most software chokes on repeated tags, so for a double concerto you have to cram both in a single tag, which breaks the data model somewhat.  So you have to have an external database for proper sorting.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: My physical structure is pretty much flat by album.  But I don't assume the physical structure will bear any relation to how a given slice will be setup.  That's what hard/symbolic links are for.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Ah. will keep fiddling with it... problem is I want to try organise it meaningfully as far as classical music goes... while also keeping an idea of which "album" it came from... and trying to find enough fields to do so. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Yeah, 's what I'm saying.  Give up on a file structure doing that, and give up on ID3/Vorbis tags being a primary source for doing so.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Not to mention I need to find a suitable player, or skin for one, that will display the pertinent info.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Instead of Title/Artist/Album :P
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Have an external data store of some sort (SQLite, JSON serialized stuff, blah blah) and some external program to query and create your on-demand slices.  It's the only way.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Yeah. Seems like it. In the meantime, might just shoehorn some extra tags in MediaMonkey, and bear it.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Yeah, trying that is the mp3 equivalent of EAV database modelling   :p
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Temp fix. Until I can be bothered re-organising. In the meantime, folder structure and playlists deriving from that and genre will have to do.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I'm always in favor of temporary fixes.  That's why I have a bunch of them from last millennium sitting around   :p
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: I'm touched. You understand.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Oh, yes.  I have the padded cell to prove it!
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eldunari Blackdragon Tech: My mush client is acting up alot, how do you make the coordinates and spellup number thing go away every time u do something?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: tags off?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eldunari Blackdragon Tech: ahh thats simple, thx.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eldunari Blackdragon Tech: Ok, not to sound like a complete... *blank* but, how do you change the font size?
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: game -> configure -> output
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: thats not true she doesn't give butt secks willingly, it's like pulling teeth to get it from her
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: sounds like a hardware problem
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: LOL
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: that was a little inappropriate, on my behalf.
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: anyone know anything about creating com objects in c#?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: does anyone remember grafit?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: if so, know how to get ahold of him?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: who
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: me, sometimes, but only when noone is looking
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Gibbals is wanting to get, IIRC, all the say stuff out of the main window and into the chat window on the aardwolf mushclient.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: sorry wrong text. I have a question about the MUSH client of Aardwolf: how do you take out the text that 'says' so that my communication log is the only one showing the 'says'?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: thank you Morinon for rephrasing my poorly conjugated sentence.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: oh i should know this
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Hmm.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: there are two ways you can do this, I think. Only one of them will work, and one of them won't, and I don't know which is which.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: chats echo off   
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: I have my notepad out for the steps. We'll try both so if one doesn't work I'll just undo it :D
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Aha.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Let me test that, Abandon
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: hey it worked :D
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Ping.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: woot
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: Thank you Abandonhope :D
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Danke.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: Thanks again Morinon
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: see i'm not a 'complete' troll  ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Yes you are, just not on tech. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: sssh
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: But yeah, newbie for mud-specific questions, tech for client-specific questions, as a general rule.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abandonhope crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: I have a question regarding the Aardwolf's MUSH client. Does it already have scripts written?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Each window has its own lua script.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: Because I just killed an enemy and 'attack' and 'consume corpse' has already done it's own
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Oh, that.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: ahh thank you Tiddim and Morinon :D
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: consume corpse applies if you have autosac on.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: oh nice. Thanks Morinon
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: And that's mudside, not clientside.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: The clientside scripts are mostly dealing with info, not commands.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: oh that's right, my bad :O
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: hi, i was wondering if anyone could help me set up an alias in mushclient. i would like to be able to bring up a google search of "aardwiki %1" on command from the keyboard...just dont know how...
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Try looking at this plugin. http://69.5.26.215/forum/?id=9664
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: it most likely will require you to open a browser window, which means you need to know the correct URL format to initiate the search.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: i have a similar alias on zmud, but i didnt write that one either...
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: you can use lastkills and revisit each mob, but that won't help if it got sacced or the mob somehow picked it up.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: mix
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: File -> New World
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sakata Tech: Okay =P My quest window is not popping up again, its the one bast made for mush, what is the toggle command?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: mquest Quest toggle
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sakata Tech: LOL THANKS BAST!
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sakata Tech: Stuff keeps dissapearing *mutters*
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: i got the mushclient mapper but it is not showing me anything on the screen i tell it to show but it seas dont know where i am try look can sumone tell me what could be wrong
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: How'd you get it, you install the latest version of Mushclient from the website?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: did you download the mapper, or a mushclient that included it?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you may still be needing the GMCP bits to feed the mapper
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: mushclient included it
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: how did you install it ?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: yes i downloaded this mush like a week ago
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: not when.... how
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and from where
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: went to mushclient and downloaded the client i dont know that much
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: What is a Zip File, or did it have an installer? You download it from here http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: the beta ?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: it was a zip
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: ok
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: how did you start it
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: it was in the pre downloaded plugins i just went to plugins and added it to the list
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: you dont need to touch the addin list wih the beta, it load automaticlly
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: how do i do that
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he doesn't have the beta, he downloaded straight from gammon...you'll want to grab the aardwolf client instead
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: you broke it
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: grab what
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: what do i need to grab
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: get the mushclient from here
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: doing that right now
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: once you have that, start it straight from inside its folder, do NOT use the start menu
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: wow this is a lot better
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: *Yay!*  Go Cloudfoot!!!  Mendaloth cheers her on.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abandonhope crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: man i was using the beta version
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: make sure you uninstall the old one
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: did
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you want some other plugins, then you can get some to add at http://bastmush.googlecode.com :)
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Does anyone know if the new mushclient works in wine on linux?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, that is the only way I use it
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'll have to give it another go then, when I tried the beta it gave me errors about not finding a file at startup
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just tried the new client, I get an error about 'Aardwolf.MCL contains an invalid path', any suggestions (using wine and linux, not installed any plugins yet)
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Which wine?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I ment to say which version of Wine.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Standard Ubuntu wine package...just checking which version
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I believe you need to have Wine 1.0 with some .dll files.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: If your brain explodes and you want an easy alternative - Mudlet works pretty easily out of the box for Ubuntu
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Claims to be 1.2.1
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: And there is an Aardwolf plugin package for it.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: how are you running it?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: go to a shell, change to the directory of mushclient.exe and run "wine MUSHclient.exe" and see if you get the same error
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, I'll give that a try, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, that's working if I run directly from the directory, I'll just make a shell script to run it from the right path
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Is there anything I need to do to get the bast spellup plugin working in the new mushclient? It's running, showing 29 pending, but not casting the spells
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: spellup resume?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: are you standing, with mana?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yes, standing, loads of mana, spellup resume just says 'Spellups already active.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Reload the plugin.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: is it the very latest bast spellup (v4)? or an earlier version?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you need a cr at the end of your prompt, with promptflags off
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: v5 is actually the latest
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, I missed that one, that one with mapper?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: v5 doesn't have a portable version, you just drop it into the new Aardwolf MUSHclient
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, right...that's the one where you organized your stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Sorry to ask a dumb question but how do I add a cr to my prompt?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "config" to see your prompt's current code
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, much easier to install now, don't know why I didn't do it earlier :)
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: copy that...type prompt <paste>, then tack on %c to the end
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: help prompt
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: %c :  Inserts a carriage return (useful for multi-line prompts)
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: That works now, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: The mapper in the new mushclient doesn't show rooms I've not already been in, like the ascii one does, is there something not configured right or is that expected behaviour?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: expected behavior
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: expected
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's expected, you need to go through them to add them to the datbaase
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Expected behavior.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it should map them automatically as you walk around the mud
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it is basically built from exits output
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so it only knows things 1 room away from where you are now
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I see, so probably good to leave the ascii one on too, at least for a while, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: encourages exploration though =)
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i would always leave the ascii one on anyway, cause it shows things like nearby mobs and players, shops, even quicksand rooms, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: though i suppose you could color code rooms in the mapper for things like shops and quicksand...
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but you need it for nearby mobs ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I didn't realize how many quicksand rooms there were until I switched from flying race :P
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul snickers softly.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Is there any way to automatically suspend the maps while speedwalking? It's running pretty slow
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: maprun for the small map
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the gmcp mapper doesn't know that you're running, as there's no signal for run yet
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there is one
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: there is a gmcp signal for running now
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: or is that not live yet?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, he did it?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, it's a new state
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I knew fiendish requested it
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yeah, I believe there is a running state now
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cool, I'll have to update my stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the gmcp mapper should drop the drawing depth down automatically when running now
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sweet
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Is there anything I need to do to get the quest miniwindow working? It's loaded but not showing at the moment
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: type mquest Quest toggle
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Says 'That is not a valid command' and brings up help
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: worked fine for me, are you sure you typed it in correctly?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: has to be a capital Q on the Quest
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: sorry, didn't realise it was case sensitive, thanks, it works now
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: any C# coders in the house?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: hi
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: if so, lookin for someone who may know something about com object creation
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: oh dear god, my current projects i've been able to do something else to avoid that...it's very nasty
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i only messed with a bit, what are you trying to do?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: uhh.. Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connections. help? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: are you using a proxy?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: not that im aware of, never messed with it before
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: or are you attempting to i meant to say
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: check your network settings: Options -> Network -> Settings. Should be set to No Proxy
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: Thanks Biff, that did it :)
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: np
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: quite a weird question, but what is the smallest packet of information you can send wireless, and what can it contain?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: Assuming it's a TCP/IP packet, probably something like a ping.... maybe.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: so thats just a 1 or 0?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Well, 802.11 is just a physical layer.  You don't have to send IP.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: or hexidecimal or alphanumeric?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: You can probably look up the frame format on the interwebs easily enough.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: Ya - essentially, you could send a single 1 or 0 and call it a packet, but the other side of the communication line has to be able to interpret it.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: perhaps i should be asking, bandwidth-wise, is a 1 or 0 the same as any alphanumeric?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Of course, technically speaking, you didn't even specify 802.11, just 'wireless'.  So the smallest amount of information would just be a carrier (or the lack of one)   :p
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: If you're sending an ASCII 1 or 0, yes it's the same as any other character. But if you're talking about a single bit, then no
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: hmmm... all i know is that 8 bits is 1 byte, and bytes seems to be the unit of measurement
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i got stumped wondering how many bytes is a letter 'g' for example
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Technically, 8 bits is 1 octet.  Bytes are indeterminate size (alternately, fractions of a word)   :p
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, in addition to not having to send IP, a ping is not TCP/IP ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: One byte is one half of a word. Or one fourth of a long word.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Somewhere between 1 and 40 million.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: (Abe - Dang it, I knew someone who knew what they were talking about was going to call me out on that one.)
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Word length is system-dependent, I thought?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: so it depends on something like compression?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sorry, watching jeopardy on dvr, happened to notice tech waking up
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: No, it depends on encoding.  Compression is a whole different story.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: ah thanks, encoding was the word
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, one byte is half a word only on 808x based computers.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: _Most_ encodings in common use would encode it as one byte.  Some would be more.  And some can't encode it at all.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: Kirua - I imagine you're confused as all hell right now. Really your best bet is going to be checking out the wikipedia on bytes, packets, and frames.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Baudot, for instance, can't encode 'g' at all.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: thanks, will do
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: hmm if you're on mushclient, everytime you quite the client does it save previous changes made?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: anyone?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: your world is saved.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: so you just need to open up your previous save .mcp file?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: you saved the world!
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: i think you have to use file-exit instead of the red x, someone told me that at least
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: there's also a plugin that will save the world every couple mins auto
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: hmm the changes are not loading it seems
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: when you exit the world it should prompt you to save changes
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: so all the plugins have to be installed right, the client doesn't come with any
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: mattpan: if you download the mushclient from www.aardwolf.com, it comes with preinstalled plugins designed for aardwolf, if you download the one from mushclient.com then it doesn't
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MoltenMagma Tech: how do I download the new mushclient with the new map?
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: from aardwolf website
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: its super bomb too you should do it :P
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: www.aardwolf.com, click the screen shot
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MoltenMagma Tech: thank
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: anyone know anything about COM programming in C#?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I do
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/01/01/023248/Micro-USB-Cellphone-Charger-Becomes-EU-Standard
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: finally...
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: anyone know how to play AMR audio files on a PC? VLC is supposed to be able to but doesn't play the file i have.   or know how to convert to mp3 ?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: vlc does NOT play amr
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: damn google lied to me, lol
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: i think i found a freeware converter
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: http://www.amrtomp3converter.com/  worked strangely enough
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: there are a lot of spells in the allspell list that dont show up when you get to that level
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: i find it funny
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: name one?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MoltenMagma Tech: the new client - why can't I scroll up in any of the windows?  Did they disable scrolling?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Clavrus Tech: Weird, I just downloaded it fresh and i've no problems
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MoltenMagma Tech: everything else is working fine, just can't scroll
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Clavrus Tech: Try going to  Game/configure/all configuration
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Clavrus Tech: Then under logging, check log output
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Clavrus Tech: Make sure that's checked
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: my mushclient install completely failed..   .\words\Aardwolf.mcl contains an invalid path
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: and the client opens with no windows displayed at all
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Clavrus Tech: What OS you using?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: um...I forget.. Vista?  or the next after Vista?   on a laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: I tried the mushclient several months ago.. got a days or so use out of it, before it crashed horribly
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: did you double click the exe in the folder you unzipped it to, or did you try and run it from a shortcut?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: maybe I need to figure out how to erase those old vestiges... I tried uninstall but that didn't seem to work completely
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: went to the RUn Programs, and searched for MUSHclient
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I have used mushclient for years, under harshest of conditions (under wine in linux), and it survived any abuse from me...
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: do not do search, double click the mushclient.exe from the folder you unzipped it to and see if you still get the error
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: through windows explorer
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: Mushhclient folder has folders named fonts and worlds, and image thing named Aardwolf and a MUSHclient.gid
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: where did you unzip the new Aardwolf mushclient to?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: hmm.. appdata\local ...
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ok, take the aardwolf zipfile and unzip it to something like c:\games\mushclient, then double click the MUSHclient.exe in that folder and see if you have any issues.  appdata\local sounds like data from a previous install.
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: closer... now it's timing out connecting to port 4010
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you behind a corporate firewall?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: not that i'm aware of...  same machine as i'm currently using java client from
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, java client uses http
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: is this a home machine, work machine?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what's the structure of phpMyAdmin's database url?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: I'll look at this gammon site for "conneting to world" pase
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: mysql://hostname/dbname was probably asking a bit much, and having the info in their help files is asking even more
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: tracert 208.43.193.234 .. goes one stop to dslrouter.ewstell.com and times out just after that
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: er.. westell
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: can you get to the aardwolf homepage?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: wait, you are using the java client now, but can't connect through mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: on the same computer?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: just got one laptop in my lap here
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: and when the client pointed me at a gammon site that recommended tracert.. I found tracert didn't want to connect
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: try game->configure->MUD Name/IP - change the port to 23, and clear cached ip and see if will connect then
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Hmmz, you sure there are no (wrong) proxy settings configured in Mush then?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: I think the problem is something tracert is reporting.. first link is to dslrouter.westell.com [192.168.1.1] and nothing afterwrods
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: same issue if I use 208.43.193.234 manually or aardmud.org
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: 'telnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command... etc.  (ditto 'ssh', probably because it's a package/application)
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: tracert failing doesn't always mean that something is wrong, some routers/firewalls block icmp discovery packets
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: I tried this client today because I had trouble sshing to the Unix box I usually telnet from ... maybe this westell.com broke both things
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: I was able to SSH to that Unix box fine for over a year til yesterday'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: windows 7? Enable telnet - http://www.fettesps.com/windows-7-enable-telnet/
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: what's the fastest way to identify just what flavour windows i am running?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: windows key + pause/break
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: ok ... vista business 2007
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: where do I see ticks on new client?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you have to add Aardwolf_Tick_Timer and you can see it in your status bar
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is included in the download but not loaded
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: Where is the tick counter in the new mushlient?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: load the Aardwolf_Tick_Timer plugin and you will see it in your statusbar
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: go to file -> plugins and install the tick timer plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: where do I get the plugin, it is not there
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you downloaded the New Aardwolf Mushclient, then it is included in the zip file
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Are we talking Fiendish's mushclient? Mine didn't come with the tick timer plugin.
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: i know the beta did, but not sure about the new package
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I am talking about the one from aardwolf.com that was released a couple of weeks ago, I just downloaded it and Aardwolf_Tick_Timer is included
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: just checked. yes, it's in there, if you go to worlds/plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: I went to http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm.... clicked on "download Aardwolf client"... installed it...  ever since, I cannot scroll in my windows, no tick timer, and the help window is not popping up when I look up a help file
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: you have to install the plugins, they do not come installed
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: found the tick timer in the worlds/plugins window... what other plugins are good to have?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: a help plugin is not included with the new aardwolf mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I have one at http://bastmush.googlecode.com
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: v5 is designed to drop into the new mushclient with ease
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: Ooo... got the tick timer... should I just install all of the plugins in that folder, if they are not already installed?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, only load the ones you need
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: most of them are not useful
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: how do I know what they are/what I need/what are useful?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: My communications window scrolls, but not the main play window... is there a plugin for that?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the main window scroller is on the far right of the screen
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and no, you can't change it
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: to see what a plugin does, open it in a text editor and read the description, and if you aren't sure, ask on this channel
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: Thanks Bast, I thought the scroll bar would be on the window... like with the communications log... now I see it on the right.  I will browse through the plug-ins... 
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: one last question...  when going to St:tng, I couldn't see the bigmap... where did it go?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: you went to vidblain which is no longer on the world?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: bigmap plugin doesn't exist in the new version since you have the GMCP mapper
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: yeah, vidblain...  so I have to use coordinates only... ok
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: when you get to vidblain, just type "mapper areas" and pick the area
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: be back in a bit, going to catch some lunch
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: Hmm is there any way to make zmud ignore whitespace before an alias, getting tired of spacebar typos :P
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: wow, 1000 commits to my scripts in subversion now
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: *Yay!*  Go Bast!!!  Mendaloth cheers him on.
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: it will be 3000 when you have a working gq cycle script :)
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: *Yay!*  Go Bast!!!  Stomp cheers him on.
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: hmm, probably, but that will be my next project after the new spellup scripts
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: i kid, i kid... the scripts are great. almost lost my mind trying to get them to work in the previous to last version of mush, but the latest versions work fine
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I should have reorganized them a while ago
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone using the quest miniwin plugin for mushclient? Mine keeps disappearing when I kill the quest mob, mquest Quest toggle gets it back
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: so im going from an older verison of Mush to the new Aardmush, but some of the plugins aint loading correctly. Is this fixable or just not gonna work?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Which plugins?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: one is the aardwolf spellup script.
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Is that the bast one? If so have you got the latest version?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paolin Tech: does anyone have any experience setting up scripts/multiple output windows on a mac client? I am so new to this that I am completely lost
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: I think I found a bug witht he new client... anyone wanna check and see?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: can we guess what it is instead? way more fun
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: ok... sounds like fizz
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: cool. make sure you're as vague as possible
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Does the wizzard not work then?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: nope!
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: is the problem bigger than a bread box?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: hmmmm.... not sure
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Ok, I can name that problem in 12 notes!
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: err.... I just wanna know if anyone else can duplicate it!
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: well, feel free to tell us what your problem is. this isn't 20 questions
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: im using mushclient, how do i have all the comm. channels appear only in the comm log?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: chat echos off
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: echo chats off that is
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: in the upper window of the new client it says "someone is talking" (because I have no detects on)... in the communication window it says who that person actually is... the communication window is acting like I have detects on
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: might want to post that to the bugs board. if repeatable it might mean that gmcp doesn't take detects into consideration
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: make your bug post, Oxy. just tested it myself and gmcp events ignore detection status
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Prolly better if you post it, not sure Oxy can explain it like you can ^^
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: hmm the echo chat off, simply repeats the 'chat off' to me right? doesn't keep comm. to the comm log
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: isn't it 'chats echo off'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i don't have mush so not 100%, but 'echo chats off' is the mudside echo command
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: think it is chats echo off
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: it is, checked it
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: I just reported the bug
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: yes... it is chats echo off
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: anyone know if ubuntu comes with glibc by default?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: if it doesn't you can always get it if you want it
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: thats a pretty core lib, i would think so
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: how can i get rid of some of these default windows the start in mush
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Uninstall the plugins spawning them
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: disable/remove the plugin that creates them and restart mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: thnks
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: thnks again much better
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so for some reason when i have headphones into my latop i can hear compute rsound fine. i unplug them and hear nothing from laptop speakers.  anyway to fix without rebooting?
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: anyone have a good website for plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paolin Tech: ok, i'm using the aardwolf version of mushclient. I can't figure out how to change the main window font. any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: is there any way to install bast's plugins all at once and not have to load one by one
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: he should have a full client to dload
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: hmm the portable one?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Laughing Lacrimosa nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: ya thats the one
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: i dont think theres a v5
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: not 100% sure on that, i know he has a version with the GMCP Mapper though
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: Now were talkin thnks
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kellye has what I think/hope is a simple question on Cmud.  Can anyone help?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas can't, since he doesn't use Cmud. Others might though, so you may as well just ask. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kellye Tech: well, after typing, it leaves what I last typed in the window.  And then when I hit enter, it re-outputs it.  I don't want that (especially since I"m reading a lot of help files) I just want it to do a blank enter
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Remarto goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's probably in the settings under preferences
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: You're looking for a setting on your input that's something like leave command on input line or auto-repeat command. I don't recall exactly where or how it's phrased, since I moved over to Mushclient back in February.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kellye Tech: thank you :)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: autoclear command line
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Laughing Lacrimosa beams a smile at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kellye Tech: found it, thanks so much for your help :)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: anyone else getting runtime errors with basts v5 plugins? specifically the onpluginbroadcast function
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: any one have a site for c mud scripts
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: So I'm able to log in to my account using my password AND password1 AND password12 AND password123 - am I seeing a bug with Mudlet or is this the same for everyone?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think aard's pass think truncates after a certain number of chars
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: thing*
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: oooh, same with MUSH.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: help password
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: Ah - I see now. 8 chars then truncated.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Yeah, 8 chars. Just tested on mine too.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: can someone help me withs the spellup plugin on bast's site
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: who
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: anyone home
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: nope im at work
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: just say what you have to say
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: i cant get basts spellup script to work for some resons i installed it typed spellups refresh then spellup all and nada
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: somehow it worked last night not
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: maybe settings didnt save when you closed, try reinstalling it?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or trying to run it from program files under vista/7
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: actually all the plugins except for deafult were gone
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, win7 beat vistas all-time market share
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: no its in desktop folder gonna try reinstall
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: na still not workin 
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: ok this is wierd with bast spellup plugin it will only work if i constantly spam the skills or spells command any one else had this happen
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: omg debian....  python 2.5?  sigh
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: debian stable? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: why would you use anything but stable... it deatfeating the purpose of debian otherwise
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GentooX Tech: because someone is a tester?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: but really python 2.5 ?   the python site seems to support 2.6 at lowest
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir slaps Abandonhope.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abandonhope wiggles his bottom.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: debian unstable is more stable than most other distors/os's
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: debian stable is called stable because it can survive a nuclear strike
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GentooX Tech: afaik python2.5 is different from python2.6 and python3
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: in fact, most debian users use the "unstable" version
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: stable has a whole different meaning in debian community ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: if i wanted debian unstable i would go to ubuntu, lol
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: i may have to
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: in a nutshell - if you install debian, get unstable
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: hmm i will give it a try, lets see if i can figure out my apt src line for my isp's mirror....   whee!
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you can also take a look how long it takes debian to release "stable" versions
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: whoa, lenny finally hit stable last november
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so current stable version is actually fresh
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abandonhope buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: rofl nuclear strike comment
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: usually they're like 3-5 years old :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: im on lenny
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: anyway, if you want bleeding edge fresh packages, don't use debian :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: try arch or gentoo :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: ubuntu is, last i saw, the 'bleeding edge' people
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: lol python 2.6 isnt bleeding edge sid
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: don't like ubuntu at all. i don't understand it
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i feel like it's hiding something from me
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so i don't trust it
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: i hate gentoo, takes longer to install than to get the results you wanted
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: arch then
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: at least i know /exactly/ what my gentoo system does and doesn't do
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: you read ALL that source ?  lol
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, but i set it up and it's still running
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 4 years uptime :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ruthless Ross drools
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i run debian on my vps tho
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: knowing the config file != knowing everything it does
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: true
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but i /know/ the system. because i set it up manually
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: yeah there is a place for gentoo out there, just not for what i want right now
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm just saying i don't trust ubuntu because it acts like it doesn't need my help
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but it does
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and when it does, i have no idea where to start because the automatic config is voodoo
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: meh it's a desktop system, protect the users from themselves
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: i miss windows 3.1 :-(
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: my family used it for years and it worked great tho. my mom was the admin
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: whats the codename for deb unstable atm ?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: I started my foray into Linux with Ubuntu. It's a very nice and easy transition. Then I went to Debian cause Ubuntu does do too much hand-holding for my tastes
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: yeah sounds like target market
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: unstable is squeeze i believe
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: iirc, yes
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yeah, ross
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the only thing with the handholding is that ubuntu holds on to your hard like a retard
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: hahahahaha
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's all nice at first, but gets creepy when you realize that it doesn't want to give back your hard
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: Well... I'm fine with that. In fact, it's already troublesome enough for me to recommend it to Windows users :S
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: blah, haNd
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: freudian slip? XD
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, n and r are right next to each other
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: haha
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: they are
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: hmmm, dvorak? been a long time since i used it, can't remember...
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://endymion.juhe.ee/dvorak/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/layout-et.png
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: my main gripe with ubuntu and other distros that go out of their way to be user-friendly is the fact that they generally install like 5000 packages you'll never actually use
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: for the "easy-1/2/3click-install"
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and it doesn't look like you have a choice with ubuntu. it's all or nothing
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: haven't installed ubuntu for a long time, but i've never found the installer that would let me choose my own damn packages
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: i think that with the server edition you have more control over what gets installed... but if i want control, i just pop a debian netinst disc/thumbdrive/whatever and enjoy ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: my laptop doesn't even have bluetooth. why the daemons and applets for it?!
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: haha
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: dunno. why not have a prompt on install asking you how many packages you want
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 1) base system and window manager, please 2) all that and some productivity, perhaps? 3) PACKAGES!?!? I /LOVE/ PACKAGES!!!!!!!!!! (current default)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: because question confuse new converts
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: its for desktop users
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: see a lot of linux mint users love it that codecs and flash are automatically installed for them
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: who doesn't use java or flash
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no desktop user needs all that junk
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: meanwhile games are removed. in mint u dun get games
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: i have a linux mint box, yes it is awesome for what it was made for
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: cuz people don't need games, u dun have to stick with vanilla ubuntu if u dun like it
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: lol. vanilla ubuntu
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: u can make ur own distro if u are adamant that a clean install ur own packages after OS installation is insufficient
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's like vanilla... WITH EVERYTHING!!!!
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: it doesn't come with flash or codecs
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh noes
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: thats why there other many flavours of ubuntu too
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: Have you played around with ubuntu-minimal?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abandonhope reinvents the wheel because he doesn't like the color of all the existing wheels
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: sudo apt-get install wheelcolour
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes. it's called debian :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i play around with debian and myself all the time
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: No, seriously, there is a 15MB image of Ubuntu available.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abandonhope tells Seltsimees Dagnir, "That is highly Illogical."
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hmm, ok. what's "ubuntu" about it?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: i used debian, and i do not see how ubuntu is different from debian (by much)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: may i ask if u use sidux?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: its 'ubuntu' because of the file arrangement, the sources etc
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i like dsl. fluxbox is a great window manager
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, sure, i was asking about the appeal tho
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: yeah i like small windowmanagers
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: kde is just recreating in linux what i hate about windows
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: know about the 200 line code that speeds up ur system?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: in ubuntu its a one click thing
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Abandonhope.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: in debian its not
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also with more bling
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: http://www.linuxmint.com/
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: mint fluxbox
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: if u like fluxbox so much
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: mint xfwm
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: oh they call it xfce now
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i used gentoo with fluxbox. omgwtfhaxfast
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: in gnome there's wingpanel
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: u can remove the gnome-panels and install wingpanel, there's a new ppa for it
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but it's been years since i've used linux with gui
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: happy with my debian over ssh
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: i used it 2 years ago, and let me tell u, it has changed A LOT
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: my acer ferrari one netbook worked out of the box
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: i used to use a great windowmanger that was mouseless, i think it was called ratpoison
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: i was surprised
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: it was awesome
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: dagnir, u should try some of the lighter flavours of ubuntu now
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: u can have it sugar free
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no i shouldn't
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i said goodbye to desktop linux a long time ago
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: but that was a long time ago
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: i said goodbye to touchscreens a long time ago
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: but now its good enough for practical use
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm pretty sure my favourite windows software still doesn't run on linux
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: i said goodbye to mouse a long time ago
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: which?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: trackpad*
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: but multigestures allow a trackpad to be used without a mouse now
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: quick too
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: np++ and fb2k for starters. also zmud
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: zmud isn't my fav, but has too many years worth of scripts :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: can you watch porn on linux?  i think i'm set then
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: foobar 2000?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can run np++ in wine, the developers of np++ even have a howto about it
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: anyway, i /like/ windows 7. i don't /want/ to move to a desktop linux
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bast doubles over in pain as Seltsimees Dagnir places his knee in his groin.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abandonhope faints.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: damn wine
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: why would i use wine when i can run my software natively?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: people who switch to linux and use wine to keep using their windows software make me sick
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: because you are a rabid linux fanboi who secret runs windows apps
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: because windows is virus prone
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir hides his face in his palm after seeing what MeisterP did.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the only windows app I use in wine in mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: if steam worked in linux i might switch
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hell, i used to be a rabid linux fanboi
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: steam works in linux
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: with wine
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: natively ?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: nowdays, i use the best tools for the job
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: windows 7 as a desktop works great. i love it
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abandonhope crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but i still need to run some things on linux, so i use a vps
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: totally best tool for job, screw fanboi's
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: web server, proxies, vim, irssi, bitlbee etc
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: really? i dual boot windows 7, but i have not used it for 10 months, i bought my netbook 12 months ago
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: linux is great, but not for my desktop use
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh, lets add photoshop and paint.net, too
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: photoshop works dang
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: are u a graphic designer?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes. via crossover or wine
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: anyone knows how you can run a graphic remote linux terminal in windows?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: with x11?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: why are u anti WINE
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm not
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: vnc
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: I do it often for text based applications. i just use putty with ssh
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm just saying that it's retarded to move to a different platform in order to run your software on an emulator (which wine isn't)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: X11 will allow running a window? I tried cygwin and still can't do graphical stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: 2 years ago i used wine, it sucks, sluggish, slow, but i had no alternative. now i use wine, its impressive
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir rapidly nods twice at Stomp, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i love linux cli apps
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: have you ever tried cygwin, dagnir?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: I play some Counter-strike on Wine.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes. felt wrong
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: for a while, I played DDO on wine
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typically Bizmun Tech: i am just glad wine exists at all.  i lost windows awhile back and wine was my only way to comfortably keep muchclient
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: i played COD4, dragon age origins, NFS shift, guild wars ++++++++ on wine
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: how do you "lose" windows?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: are there multiple X11 versions? seems so from what i'm reading...
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: can u recommend a particular implementation?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: great. but you could have run them all on a windows machine, too :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it fell through a crack in his hard drive?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typically Bizmun Tech: windows was destroyed when my hard drive crashed.  there are plenty of ways to lose windows
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: a bird farts outside your windows and windows coredumps without flushing disk buffers
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: stomp, never done it. i'm just aware that such feature exists in some form
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: but windows does not have virtual desktops, shift switcher is shifty
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if I want to run X11 apps on windows, I use x-ming
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: can you use "tail" with wintin++ in windows..
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir hides his face in his palm after seeing what Typically Bizmun did.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: windows 7 is a flaw, using windows tab to the 3d application switcher is lame
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: or better question what does it take to get it setup
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: its just a terrible design flaw
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: the scale switcher is proven to be most efficient
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: windows 7 is a resource hog
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir sighs at the sight of MeisterP.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: thanks, bast
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: lol MeisterP Tech: windows 7 is a resource hog
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: and multitouch on windows is bullshit at best
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: that has been said about every version since version 1
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: I thought Win7 was supposed to be more suited for 'netbooks' or so?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: xp is more efficient for netbooks
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, i smell a flamewar coming
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: Why's that?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: holy wars, yay
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it was bound to happen eventually
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: i own a windows 7 netbook, with 4gb ram and still slower
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but thanks for the good chat we had earlier
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: its not a flame war
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: Interesting.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: all you need is benchmarks
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not yet
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: benchmarks benchmarks benchmarks, and u're done
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: Lol, if you have asbestos suits, everything feels like a flame war.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: no need to fight
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: so how do you compare benchmarks for windows 2.0 and windows 7 ?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: can you compare apples and oranges ?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: have u not seen the benchmark of xp to win 7?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: was the same software, including version used to test both ?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: how do you benchmark an operating system?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: aida32 in windows
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, w7 runs faster on newer hardware than xp
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: quest...
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: woohoo ** You gain a bonus trivia point! **
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: w7 don't work well on old hardware
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: windows 3.1 doesn't work well on new hardware
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: or new hardware
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: windows xp worked well with new hardware
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: even when vista was available
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: w7 uses like 2gig of ram, just for the os, that is a waste no matter how much ram you have, it just become more apparent on a system with 256M ram
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that's a lie
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: do u have a netbook dagnir?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no. i have a laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: currently using half of 3 gigs of ram
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I run w7 on a netbook
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: most netbooks start off with 1gb of ram
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: and only thing I run is zMud
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: and it works fine
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: that is most apparent when dualbooting on a netbook, the performance differences
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: zMud works better in parallels on my Mac though
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: netbooks are not comptuers anyway :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and hey, 600mb of that is used by firefox
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abandonhope hugs a zombie.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: thats not an argument dagnir
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: Does anyone here know where I might find a script that allows me to use aliases/macros/triggers in mushclient like they are used in zscript or maybe tintin?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: use chrome please
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: besides, ram is there for a reason - for using it
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: and chrome looks ugly on windows anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: let your apps use it
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: safari>chrome
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: apps, apps in linux are now better
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: recently there has been a lot of investment in open source apps
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: using the same apps
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: like firefox
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: or chrome
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: vlc
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandonhope Tech: linux doesnt have apps, it has servers and fiddly geek time-wasters
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: that has been solved in the last year or so
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: apps for linux are now a lot more professional
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: because google just gives me nothing...
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: ?? google give u nothing?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: not for my current problem nope
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: what problem?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: tech -h jubileus
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: I want to use aliases, triggers, macros ect in mushclient like in zmud or tintin.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: here is a post that can do tintin like aliases: http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/bbshowpost.php?bbsubject_id=6442
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: That's a piece you can put in a script or can I just throw that into a text file and it'll work? (I don't know coding which is why I ask)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you would have to create a new plugin and add that alias to the alias section
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: Damn
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what's url for testers
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: url for testers?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: aye
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what's that?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: test port?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ah
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: aardmud.net 9999?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: help ports
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: ta
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: wanted to do some gcmp tinkering and didn't want to do it here
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: Is there a full plugin to be able to use zscript in mush?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: you'd want to?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Change is good.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: bringing yet hitherto unseen levels of brokenness and unreliability to mush, eh?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: Basic point is I just can't stand zmud
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: But I want to be able to load some of its scripts into mush
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yet you prefer zmud syntax :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: so why would you want to use zscript? just rewrite
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you rewrite, there's a good chance it might even work properly
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: very few scripts in zmud don't already exist for mush
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: isn't the biggest problem with zmud its scripting? :p
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: scripting, window handling, reliability
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are plugins to give basic things like #alias and such to zmud
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: I wish I could rewrite myself >.> I just don't know a second thing about scripting
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but to take a whole script and have it work would be a large, unwieldy plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: in mush I'd want to be able to use #alias, #trigger ect.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't have to know, just like you didn't have to know about zscripting
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: so you'd be better suited to WoW? :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: considering that zmud is from last millenium, it works quite well :)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bah, zmud is a new client :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you want to write a simple alias or trigger, just do it? it's not much harder in mush
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what script is it that you need to convert, anyway?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: biggest problem was to lost the comfortable scripts. as none were for mush couple years ago. now....couldnt change back since all my scripts are for mush :)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: Yeah Redryn. I'd rewrite like a hundred aliases and triggers no problem :p
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: a hundred?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well, considering i recently embarked on a similar thing, i feel your pain :p
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, but a whole lot has been done for much in the last 2-3 years
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: give or take.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but it's actually not bad, if you copy paste the whole thing from zmud, and do some replace all things in a text editor
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: jubileus, a hundred aliases can be converted in about 45 seconds
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at Redryn.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: especially if they're simple
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: just ditch the *mud and start fresh with mush. most likely 80% of your aliases etc are just deadweight
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: Those are aliases and triggers alone though. I'm talking about entire scripts
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: lose your bot! start playing again :)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: first step is to google for a replacement plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if someone wrote it for zmud, someone also probably wrote it for mush
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: unless you're buying bots :o
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: Replacement plugin?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: zmud inna box
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: if you didnt write all your scripts yourself. there is bound to be plugings for mush that do the same
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: Well, another problem of mine was I would use zmud if a plugin I installed didn't pour all the contents of the file onto my screen and crash me
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: you should take that up with the guy you bought the software from
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: other than taking your money, zugg should support his product :p
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think you don't really get that problem in cmud, since it compiles scripts before executing..
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you get a crapload of other problems though :P
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: Either it's that or it's the fact that I don't know how to install a script on zmud...
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: nah, it's zmud, we all have that kind of problem
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that and other stuff like randomly eating chunks of your script when you export or import it
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: it's just because of those that we life time licence holders of zmud went to mushclient :D
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn snickers with Feral Farkyss about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: performing certain logical operations in the wrong order, or just wrongly
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: Well, I wouldn't want to convert them to mushclient if I knew if I was doing something wrong lol
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: different scripts must be installed different ways...there are like 4 different ways to install them in zmud, some work with some scripts, some with others
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: So to give a little less trouble... How do I install a script in zmud? :/
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: the easiest way is just copy and paste it into the buffer
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Wishmaster Jubileus gets a blank look on his face.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how, as I said, depends on the script...often, script writers tell you how specifically
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: make sure you have virgins ready to sacrifice
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: installing of new zmud scripts always works better with sacrificial virgins
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: He is on a mud. There are virgins.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: sell your first born to the satan. 
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: So zmud is basically more complicated for installing plugins than mush :/
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: it's all required
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: No wonder it poured all the script on my screen
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sometimes you file -> open, sometimes you #read, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: for my plugins, you download the zipfile, put it into the plugins directory, then go File->Plugins->Add and pick the plugins and you are done.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: isn't open for a new session?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: There is a plugin option at the top of the screen then install plugins. I didn't miss that, but then...
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: When I click install and get to the script, it throws everything onto my screen
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: your script isnt plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what are you trying to install?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: pupbot v1.2
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: urgh, way outdated
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: he wrote the area for it, now he wants the bot :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: A bot :p But not for aard lol
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just get pupbot v3.24
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wishmaster Jubileus Tech: But ye >.> I suppose I'll ask the creator *mutter*. Thanks anyhow guys :)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: anyone know where i can find the gainmonitor by balaam that was written a (really) long time ago? i can't find it on the mush forums anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: or another similar gainmonitor that tracks puptime, quest information, etc?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: my statmonitor does that
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: can it be used with the new spiffy mush?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, it is designed to be a drop in to the new mush, easy to install
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: awesome! where can i find it?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: finger me
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Phalae goes ooOOooOOoo at Bast.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: twts
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: twts?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: twss (typo)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: that's what ...
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Qaddosh laughs out loud.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: do you have anything that isn't all packaged together?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: all you have to do is install the directory into worlds/plugins and you can pick and choose what you want to load
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: ah nm foundit
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: oh crap! this is freaken crazy! HTC Is releasing a phone that's rumoured to be called the Thunderbolt, allthough the name isnt solid the spec sheet is, Its said to run: 1.2 dual core cpu, Android 2.3, 4.3 inch touch screen,8MGP Auto focus camera with HD recording, a 5MGP front camera,GPS,quadband radio,hot spot mode,16GB internal memory,1800mAh battery!!!!!! 
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: cool, i cant wait to finish selling my soul to at&t
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: Lol.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: hmm, how much longer do you think before the fears surrounding bagphones come back into style?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: its like....this is not the phone of your dreams....its the one after that...
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: bagphones?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I love my Droid X
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: I also love my phone, theres nothing better than being reachable by anyone at anytime </sarcasm>
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, the 1970s precursors to The Brick.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: course you do....but im sure you wouldnt mind a......Thunderbolt
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: especially on christmas day to do work
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it was quite simply a cellphone in a bag that you carried with you like a purse (or camarabag or whatever)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: Would I take it? Yes. Would I do something besides hawk it to a pawn shop? Prolly not
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I have to wait 2 years for a new phone since I just got it 2 weeks ago, I am sure by that time, something better will be out, probably a quad core phone that gets 30 minutes of battery time :)
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: compared to all cellphones after, it was ultra-powerful and there were concerns that all that output could give you cancer.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: ha.....ha.....ha.....very funny
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: bast, it has a 1800mAh battery...that should be efficient
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: we had one, and every time the bagphone rang it would set off the line tester resting nearby.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: >declare level 10 levels above self >never actually in abradix's range
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: THAY SCURRED
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: hey... this isnt friend talk.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it should probably have a 2400mAh batter with dual core, since my X came with a 1540mAh battery
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and no, I do not mud (and will never mud) on my phone
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: is gmcp traffic compressed?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I think so
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: anybody using zmud 7.21 via wine on linux ubuntu 10.04?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: hmm ok anybod hav a clue why its not displaying my intpu in the input bar
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is it not showing anything at all as you are typing, or do you mean why isn't it retaining what you typed after pressing enter?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: not showing anything
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: hmm i think my text color in input bar might be the same as background cos if i highlight it with mouse it shows
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: possible.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: hmm still no luck any suggestions?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: if i type the cursor doesnt even move... but the input box gets bigger
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: try deleting the zmud.ini file.  Remember that your global settings are kept there, so you'll want to copy them out before deleting this file.  ZMud will autorecreate the file if missing, but it won't autorecreate any global settings.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if it's a WINE issue, though, this probably won't fix anything.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: no global setting just installed doubt im gonna lose anything
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: i reckon its a wine issue... if i scroll over any tabs my window vanishes for a split second and reappears
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: almost flashing
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: HAve you *tried* changing the color/font of your "Command Input" bar?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: yep no luck
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: view font command input?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: hmm view preferences font
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: i change it there right?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that is probably the color for the command echoes, which is yellow by default.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: whoops, looking in the wrong part.  Yes, that is where you would change it.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: u ppl reckon virtual box would be more "stable" than Wine app?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: Can anyone who is familiar with COM-based application creation, and C# help me figure out how to setup a program that I can access with cMUD? I am familiar with C# but never have dealt with COM, and search engines hate me, I can't seem to find any tutorials on it.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: have you look on zuggsoft.com?
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I saw a tutorial for zMUD, that shows two examples one with Delphi, and one with Visual Basic, but I don't have delphi, and not fluent enough with VB to do anything lol
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: but there is nothing like that on zuggsoft for cMUD
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: what works with zmud works for cmud, just a little different in parsing.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: nod I figured as much, as far as coming from the #COM commands... however the problem isn't what I have to do from the cMUD/zMUD side, it is more of, there is something that has to be put in my C# app that allows it to be accessed via using COM, but I can't find a tutorial showing what needs to be put into it
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Check http://www.csharphelp.com/2006/08/building-com-objects-in-c/ , see if that helps.  I haven't done it in ages, but it looks vaguely familiar.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: does the same on v 7.04... i think my Wine app is drunk. ill setup virtual box tomorow and see how that goes
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: anyone know a good plugins for showing the group member hp and mp
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how to do that will be fundamentally changing at one of the next reboots...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: im trying to get my quest tracker to go to my group tell but i dont know how here is the thing to chang it but i cant seem to get it to work any sugetions qchan = <CHANNEL> (ftalk = default)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cloudfoot Tech: anyone got any ideas what i need to do to get my quest tracker to report to my group talk channel i got this but dont  know how to change it if sumone tells me i would realy apritiate that....this is what i have to change qchan = <CHANNEL> (ftalk = default)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: i'm trying to download the Mapper Plugin, so i don't have Big Map, but instead the area map.  the site doesn't quite help and keeps looping me around.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: is there a messageboard place that is easier to read and to get this?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the current aard mushclient has the mapper already installed :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: if that's true, it's not working then :(
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: www.aardwolf.com, click the screenshot on the front page
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: that's where i've been looking.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then click aardwolf client download
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: is it the ENTIRE .zip file i need to download again?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: the ENTIRE 7mb file
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: k
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that zipfile is a full self-contained mushclient, including scripts like the mapper
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: once you unpack it, don't use the start menu to start mushclient, you start it from where you unpacked the zipfile
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: will i have to reinstall all my other plugins or will it save them?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it won't touch anything else, so your current mushclient would continue to be there...anything that you want to have with the new one, you will need to reinstall
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: no, it'll be a new install, not an upgrade
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it comes prepackaged with a fair set of plugins already, and bast just made his stuff much easier to install/more compatible :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: I may be forced to attack using a 1400 page networking textbook
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You raise your eyebrow at Feral Farkyss.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: well now it's in my TEMP folder, but i see no .exe file for MUSHclient?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: you need to uncompress the zip
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: .zip is an archive format, much like a .rar or whatever
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: i see all the files, isn't that uncompressed?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: you should select a folder (preferably outside of your program files folder) and unzip it there. there are many free tools available to help you. a popular shareware tool is winrar.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kazul Tech: do my docs in your user folder
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you see the files, make sure that you didn't just "open" the zipfile...windows will display zip contents before they're uncompressed
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you're looking at all the files, one of them is mushclient.exe (you may not see the .exe because windows hides known file extensions by default)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: ok, yes i saved it now.  originally just opened.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: it's a folder on my desktop.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: OK, open taht folder, double-click mushclient.exe
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: well now it's asking where to Extract to, do i put it where this is already?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: Programfile/MUSHClient ?  or should i make another spot?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if it's asking where to extract to, then you hadn't extracted it...don't put it in program files
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Put it somewhere else.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: c drive, desktop, my docs, somewhere you'll find it easily
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: l
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: k
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: e.g., try ... Desktop\MushClient, or C:\MushClient\
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: ok now i have two folders on Desktop, MUSHClient and Arrdwolf.zip
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: open the mushclient one
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aardwolf.zip isn't a folder, it's a zip archive ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: well, ok.  the icon looks like a folder :p
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: using the default icons in vista/7 (maybe xp too?), if you don't have another archive manager, archives look like folders with a zipper on them or something.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it looks kind of like a folder, but it has a zipper on it
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: i'm Vista.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: hi vista ::p
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: and yes
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas smirks at Zylias's saying.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: I think XP had a folder with somethign superimposed on it, not sure what.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: am i moving this new MUSHClient folder else where then?  and still dont see the .exe in it.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: moving it won't help you find the exe ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: well i figured that :(
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: just not sure how to play from this new install
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: double-click the file called mushclient, which isn't a helpfile or a gid file
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are 3 files there called mushclient.something...one of those 3 is .exe...if you're in details view, it'll say that the type is application
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: Oh i found the .exe
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Pretty sure the MUSHClient is ready to run... 
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: There you go. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: nvm :)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: ok, going to try move this to ProgramFiles from my desktop.  open the newer .exe, and should be correct display?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: should i move my plugins first?  i'm guessing so that don't erase them?  reinstall as needed?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't put it in program files
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: put it anywhere else other than there, really
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: What he said. Don't.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: ..?  that's where my current one is?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we know, still don't
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: before adding plugins, make sure you have a need for plugins, the newer client is working, and if they are bast plug ins, check out if he has a newer version!
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this one isn't dropping into place to update your current one. this is a replacement
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: You probably don't want it on your desktop, but move it somewhere else, like C: or something. Program Files causes funky things with accessibility. 
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: wouldnt i be replacing the one i'm on now?  why wouldn't i need save over it?  i'm confused.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, you don't need to save over it
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: hmm, oh
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this one has nothing to do with the other one
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: but i don't need the last one, do i?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: correct, you don't need the old one
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can uninstall it...but just leave it there
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Windows thinks it's a good thing to organise your programs. Unfortunately, it then becomes too clever, and thinks that it should manage their rights and access too.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you haven't even tried the new one, so why burn the bridge to the old one?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: ok i understand that.  would be bad for me not to have access here if new doesnt work.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: leave the old one there for a few weeks, but use the new one...then you can just do an uninstall when you're comfortable that you have all the plugins that you want
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Speaking of new clients, I probably should try it out myself. But this oldie is so nice and comfy...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: k, brb i guess.  while switch.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: wow, back and yes there is a difference
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: uhm, should i worry so much "empty" space around the windows?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not really...miniwindows take up less space than the tabbed windows, and you'll want to play around with where you have stuff displayed to suit yourself
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: is there a way to change fonts?  this is so small compared.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure, game -> configure -> outpit
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Sure there is, it'll be under Game > Appearance / Output, or something like that.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cain killd Abelinc smells his freudian pits
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Um, what? 
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: =P
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: uh, i've moved the main window too high, how do i lower it?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: I'm not sure you can.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: the mouse can not reach the top.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Outside of restarting mush
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: l
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slodhian Tech: windows->cascade.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pydale ( that, didn't work.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Pydale's using the new mushclient, I assume?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: yes.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Um, are there tabs at the top of the screen?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: now.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: If so, Slodh, your suggestion won't work.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: nope, just number 1
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: and Cascade just made it worse, fixed that though.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: does the 'initaard' command still work, or was that an old client thing?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas doesn't have the new client yet, so is just guessing...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: I dunno. Try it.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: says Unknown command.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Hmm.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Does Fiendish have full command documentation somewhere?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: okay, hit Alt, then go left one, then down to pop open the dropdown.... what does that do?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: won't work, Salv.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: preload?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: no? darn...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: They're scripted windows.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Ah. Hmm.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: do i want to do that?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: preload might work, Pydale.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas should go get the new client...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: no :( still not helping.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: i dont think i've saved it, guess i did :(
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Heh, try 'resetaard'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: ack everything so small again :(
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: but yes, do have top of window :)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Well, at least you now have the window :P
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas thinks you should have read the initial dialog box...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: i did i did.  i still have it to be there at all times.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: maybe just not read completely :/
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Okay, testing out the new client now... this'll take some getting used to...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: who can tell me how to get the trigger edit window up ontop of them main mudoutput window in zmud when it's decided to bury it?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Sounds like a bug to me.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: I used to just minimize my main window for a second and grab it.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i can minimise all i like, it still ain't there
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: I don't have this problem.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: do you have piles?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Oook, me likey this new mapper thing...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: fortunately i (somehow) managed to get it to edit inline
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: As do I, Salv.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'll have to stick with my existing zmud map until i can code this gmcp module
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Or you could look at what Fiendish did, and reverse engineer it.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: from lua to whatever zmud uses.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: wasn't aware fiendish did anything for zmud anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: No, he's doing it for mushclient.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: then that's not going to help
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Why not?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: wrong client
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: wrong technology
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: What scripting language does zmud use?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: irrelevent, it won't be zmud-side
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it'll be standalone
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Okay, then.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Then your argument is invalid.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Because scripting is scripting is scripting.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you say so
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Stacking > Scripting !
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: zmud uses zscript, i won't be using script to make a gmcp module
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: because zmud doesn't natively support gmcp, as you well know
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Yes, you're making an external standalone script/program/whatever designed to interface with zmud somehow.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: And you think looking at how someone else has worked on gmcp won't help you figure things out?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: no, it won't
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Why not?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: for the same reason that watching someone bake a cake won't help me renovate a car engine
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: False analogy.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: This is watching someone bake a cake with slightly different ingredients than you have.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: It's still a cake.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: in this case it's not
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Well, if you genuinely wish to cut yourself off from possible inspiration, I guess that's your choice.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Is there anyway in MUSHclient to copy paste the text in colour, like zmud seems to be able to?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: From the communication log it pulls the color code.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: in the new client, if you copy from the chat window it also copies the color
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: like so: [05 Jan 03:21:06] Tech: From the communication log it pulls the color code.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: is there a way to not have Notepad fill full screen: new client.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Ah cool, thanks.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: I don't use the mush notepad that much.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: i use for help files, easier read i think.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: you can still minimize/maximize the world window with notepad open
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: I do miss the help file popup from the old mushclient.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Unplugged Abradix nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: So far so good. The only thing to get used to is the small font size, due to more space taken by miniwindows... hmm...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: it was a plugin, so reinstalled it.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: when I checked it out, the BAST version that is. I couldnt organize all the mini windows and leave enough room to really play ><
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pydale Tech: along with all the ignore black lines, had to install that too.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: what's this BAST version?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: finger bast, check out the webpage. Just MUSH with preloaded plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Right, well, I'm fine with this, never used much plugins on the old mush anyway, so this is enough for now :)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: yea, im always worried about plugins... is it worth downloading?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Im using the older BAST version, before GMCP... its pretty slick.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: though perhaps... is there's a plugin or several that will split the chat window output by channel?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Basts does ^^
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: oh no sorry, not by channel
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Anyway, gonna go try out the new stuff, and go map some rooms :)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: later!
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: So with the new MUSH mapper window... are some areas preloaded, and some I have to wander and map for myself?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: yep. some will be maped out already
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Btw, copy paste with colour DOES work from main window by default, it's just Ctrl+D, instead of Ctrl+C =)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Okay, so there are many many more plugins downloaded with the client that are not installed by default. Is there anywhere that summarises what they all do?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Anyone? Is there a summary of the bundled plugins?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: in zmud, is there a way to retrieve just the value of one specific key-value pair within a db variable?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: probably, but it will also crash zmud
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or not work as documented
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: if the script is bugged then yes, zmud's not very tolerant to that
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: any suggestions?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: ok i figured it out myself
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: if anyone is interested #SHOW b.key  will return the vaule
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: erm #SHOW @db.key  will return the vaule
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: hi, does anyone know why my cmud sends open door commands before the even doing the runs?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: something to do with your map?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: most definately
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: know a fix?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: turn your map off, or delete it
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: next...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or make sure it knows where you are
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: ok so were close.. problem was the automatic step confirmation for some reason
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: tinkering is jolly good fun
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: anyone have a good sort plug in?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: madcatz has a bag sorting plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: what's the link?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQcSJ7QDH5gyZGMzdDRkanZfMGduajRoczNr
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Risca Tech: 0h 20
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: zmud: I've got variables displayed in my status line and in buttons. I can see that the display is updated every time the variable is
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: I also have functions stored in variables and displayed. does anyone know how often these are being updated?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: where are the functions getting the values?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: other variables. just wondering if it's calling them constantly or only when the vars change
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: pondering efficiency really
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: unless it offers some form of profiling/debugging, I'm guessing zugg's the only one who knows
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: nods. I figured it'd be something like that. thank you
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Any tintin scripters out there? I created a list and want to use find function here http://tintin.sourceforge.net/manual/list.php #list {<list>} {find} {<argument>} {<variable>}, but I have no idea what an argument should look like, what if I wanted to match anything with the word black anywhere?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cheezburger and cartman are the main tintin++ users nowadays :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fat Ass Cartman Tech: Cheezburger is far better than I at scripting at the moment. I'm not sure how to do what you're asking.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fat Ass Cartman Tech: I do know though that if you post a question on the tt++ official forum, the program's author usually responds with how to do whatever you're trying to do
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah the documentation leave a lot to be desired, thanks I'll do that!
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Is anybody here knowlegdeable in MUSHclient running on wine?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: *ledge*
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: Question?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: Baktosh = MUSH docter
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: toshi would be a TERRIBLE doctor
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shakia Tech: just ftr
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I upgraded to the latest aard-MUSH release, I simply copied it under a new dir one the $WINEPATH/Programs/ directory
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: then I basically copied the link on the menue to reflect the change
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: but when I use the link, I am getting an error message (.\world\Aardwolf.mcl has a wrong path)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what happens if you open a shell to the mush folder, then type wine mushclient.exe?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: actually: .\world\Aardwolf.mcl contains an invalid path.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: if I do it on the mush folder it works fine
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: BUT
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: when you copied over the new one, you didnt replace the old "world folder" did ya
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: do you use windows 7 ?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: anadorr, he's in wine
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: when even when I do the later, when I upload plugins apparently it cannot find the appropriate paths
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I start the stuff setting the environmental WINEPATH to the correct one
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're using any of bast's plugins, make sure you're using v5
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I did not overwirte anything, I basically took the new release and copied in a new directory
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: yeah, I got the new release, and the v5 set of bast, basically trying to get a clean install
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Spoke, create a shell script the cds to the directory of MUSHclient and then runs MUSHclient.exe, what do you mean by upload plugins? Do you copy them somewhere?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: it is unable to find the pluggins
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: its looks for them in the wrong directory (wine directory that is)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: where did you copy them to?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: i know this is a long shot spoke, but have you tried putting in a full path name instead of a relative one ?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: did you copy them into the worlds/plugins folder under the Mushclient folder?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I looked in to the Aardwolf.mcl file and the full path to the pluggins is written there, but when I try to load the MUSHclient from the menu, it looks for them somewhere else
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: yes, under the new mushclient folder
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the Aardwolf.MCL that comes with the new Aardwolf MUSHclient has no paths at all for the plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it just has the plugin names
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Correct, and that was not working
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it shouldn't have worked just fine
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: is there anyplace where I can set-up the default pluggin directory?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: sorry, should have worked just fine
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: or check what is it being set to?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: redownload the client, copy it anywhere, it does not have to be in the .wine/drive_c directory, it could be under /home/spoke/games/MUSHclient, then create a shell script that does the following two things: "cd /home/spoke/games/MUSHclient" and then "wine MUSHclient.exe", you should not have any problems, that is exactly how I have mine setup
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I shall try that
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: well, that seems to work :P
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I will try to move the other scripts in now and see how it works
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: now you can install my plugins :)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: is there any way to install ALL and remove the few I dont want or do I have to add them one by one?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Just add the ones you want, because my plugins autoload the ones that they need anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I:\Games\MUSHclient\worlds\plugins\v5\lua\findfile.lua:6: in function 'scan_dir_for_file'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: when loading your pluggins
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: it's looking for the pluggins where it shouldnt (ie. I:\)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: copy/paste the error to pastebin.com and tell me the url
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: easiest way to fix all those problems is to go back to plain ol telnet :)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: Any easy way to test plugins for gq without the long wait?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Test port.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the echo channel
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: presumably your client also has a way to print stuff to the screen that also allows for scripts to execute
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: oke thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: what did i manage to turn off to prevent my command history from working with the new mush?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: is protocol 85 the old mccp protocol?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: where'd you find that reference?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: reference? it's what the mud sends a WILL for after 86 which -is- mccp
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: after which it then sends WILLS for the deprecated telopts stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i'm guessing it probably possibly is the old mccp protocol :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: tomorrows game: working out how to correctly code an optionhandler
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I have what I hope is a simple question, any way to setup a trigger in mush to disable another trigger?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but maybe not across different plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: would I have to make a plugin?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hm. probably not
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's an EnableTrigger function
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: do you know the syntax off the top of your head, or where to look?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it takes the trigge name and true/false
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://mushclient.com/scripts/doc.php?function=EnableTrigger
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: you're the best, I really appreciate the help
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Ah Fiendish, you could probably help... with the AardMUSHclient, are all the other XML files in teh plugins folder optinoal plugins? Or just support files fro the defaults?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "other"
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: tech aard_channels_fiendish, chat, aard_ASCII_map, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: possibly both, depending on what you consider to be in the set of "other"
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: right. is there a list or summary somewhere, explaining which are what?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no, probably not. you can ask me, though.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you're not sure about any file, I'll tell you if it's important and what it does
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: I mean, I thought I had to copy the Tick_Timer from the old version, but found it hidden in the folder, just not installed... was wondering how many more like that there were.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: only that
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: only the tick timer is important and not loaded by default
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Right. Why's it not enabled by default anyway?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: No good reason, I suppose
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because what if people don't want it loaded?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Cool then, I won't bother digging around if there's nothing too important then.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you want to say that it should be enabled by default, and you think that others also feel the same way, then I'm happy to make that change
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Don't know if it "should" but it was default in the previous, so I thought the new one had lost it, that's all.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that alone may be a good enough reason
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: wow, I made it work, thanks so much fiendish :P
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Anyway, thanks again. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Is there any way to add custom exits to the mapper?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not yet
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when I'm back from vacation I'll be adding a way
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: yayyyy
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: ... and does the mapper only show two way exits? no arrows for one ways?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it shows one way exits 
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: cool. oh wait, it yes it does, nvm :)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: any other questions? it's getting quite late here
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Ah, but it doesn't show the previous room before the one way... that's why I was wondering...
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hm?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: It shows the exit from the room you're in, buit after that, you don't see the inward arrow form teh previosu room, well, you don't see the previous room altogether.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: (Bah, ignore my typos)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh, right, it doesn't display a traversal from a room that you can't go back to
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: That's what I meant, in much less concise terms. Yes.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: one-way exits are, unfortunately, not realistic
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: at least not most of the time
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: no worries, no biggie, just would be nice to see (like on the jpegs, ya know), but yeah, tricky.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and it's not clear to me that there is a meaningful amount of information to be gotten from displaying previous and inaccessible rooms
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: you can manually add an exit if you want
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: In any case, I'm in Reykjavik right now, and will probably not do any work until after I get back home on the 16th
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Right. Might play around with that then, but yeah, doesn't matter really.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Cool, enjoy Reykjavik :)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: http://safe.tumblr.com/safe/video/2509512839/500
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Hey any MUSHclient / wine savvy here?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I run mush on wine
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Huan, have you upgraded to the latest aard-release?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I have been having trouble with some of bast plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: It has trouble with those that have dependencies
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: and cannot find them
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I have the v5 dir under plugins in my MUSH directory, but when I try to load the, say, miniwin plugin, it will say it cannot find the dependencies
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: no, I have too much legacy stuff to just give up and start with fresh client. But I have checked out bast's and fiendish's plugin repositories and installed the few plugins I liked
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: So do you manually install the required plugins and then install the main ones?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: no major problem with any of them (gq/cp/quest miniwindow, ascii mapper window, status monitor)
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: which are "main ones"?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: bast's plugins have lots of dependencies that need to go to MUSHClient\Lua directory
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: lets say miniwin_cp, it requires var/commas/miniwin/etc etc
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: not anymore, my v5 shouldn't need it
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: huan, he changed that
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Well, I am still stuck then
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I think it is with the assert function
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: can you mv .wine to .wine.bak and then redo the wine setup?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I could, the question is, why would it work perfectly fine with the previous version of mush and not with this one?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: is that previous one working now?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Well, its half broken too I guess, but it is playable :P
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what is half broken?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and which version?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I am running Mush 4.5 on the other
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: ok, my bad, I remembered it wrong. Not to MUSHclient\Lua, but in Mushclient\Plugins\Lua. What error message does it give?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Okay, some of the things are letting themselvs be loaded
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ok, what isn't loading?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: take miniwin_double
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: going to do a pastebin
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: loaded just fine
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: http://pastebin.com/CKPMxw2R
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: that's the most common error, when there is one is with that specific bit
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: function assert etc etc etc
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the funny thing is that every one of my plugins use the same code to find their current directory and add the Bast/lua directory to the lua search path
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I understand that and I do not see what could be wrong, since those files seem very much straightforward
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: spoke: in Scripting\Scripts configuration, do you have "Note error" option active? I just tried to break the plugin, and it outputs more details for me than what you have at the pastebin
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I do not know where to set that up, but currently it is letting me load the plugins, even with the errors it is displaying, and it 'seems' to be working
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I will start testing the different plugins and see if I encounter any problems
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: technology illiterate boyfriend just got an iphone
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: commence condesending help mode
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: My IT sense just tingled.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: oh boy. itsa mess.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: although not as bad as wathing him try to teach his dad an ipod
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: i forget that his 6 year age advancement means he didnt grow up doing visual basic in his diapers
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: The iphone does not go in the toaster.  Bad BF, BAD!
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: No, we sudo to get to root now!  Go lie down!
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: "why doesnt it work when I do it?"
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Nibbly groans loudly.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: su sudo is for people without confidendce
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: su su sudio? -Phil collins
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: I'm not allowed to give technical advice to my father in law... because of the screaming and swearing.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: sudo exists for PC people, are you really sure you want to do that :P
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: At work, yes.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: I don't trust any of the doctors with anything less 'shiny' than redhat.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: "Ok, I need help.  I can't get the start menu to work."  "Uh, the software you ordered only works with Linux, so there is no start menu."  "So you disabled my start menu so I could use the program? But I need my start menu!"  *Facedesk*
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: it was written by dilbert's company?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: You mean Path eTech?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: uh oh he's trying to set up an email account!!
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Nah uh, email only works on DOS. EVERYONE knows that.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Hehe.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: not true oldan nothing works in dos, that whole non multitask environment ensures that.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Old dan? 
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: any recommended free photoshop alternatives guys?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: gawsh he'd be lost without me.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: he makes meatloaf, i set up iphone email.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: paint shop pro
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: gimp
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: gimp sucks no linux
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Huh?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: err non linux, too much lag in build
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: gimp runs on windows
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Ahh, ok.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: It runs, but poorly
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I use it on windows and it is kinda shoddy compared to linux build.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: yeah look at vers for linux vs win.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nibbly Tech: "is safari the internet??"
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Coup de Calamar Tech: Okay, I'm pretty stupid when it comes to making macros (or any kind of trigger/macro)... I have an older version of MUSHclient. All I want to do is have the F1 key be macro'd to 'spellup learned.' How do I do that?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: So, another question about new mush release. Sometimes I am seeing the output of slist affect noprompt, or invmon, or invdata
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: put a %c at the end of your prompt and turn off promptflags
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: how can I easily track down which script is calling those?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: ok
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Is it normal that I should see 5 prompts when I take an item from a bag/put it back in?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: OMG It's Aleks raises an eyebrow.
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: or should the plugin mute the regular prompt?
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: my invmon plugin does an invmon when you take something out/put something in, so it does a couple of extra commands
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: So when taking things out of bags you will notice extra prompt spam?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: what does the invmon track, what is it used for?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: inventory management, I am working on an inventory miniwin plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: Bast, I get random onpluginbroadcast errors from stats miniwindow. any ideas? runs fine for days then will pop up and I basically need to restart mush to get stats to work properly again. not a biggie since its random every couple days but its still odd
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: when it happens, copy/paste the first error and note me the url
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: to pastebin.com
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I see, I was using one before, written by Blainer, a mini-win eq
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I don't run MUSH for more than a day, so don't have the opportunity to test under those conditions
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: bedtime for me, so have a good night
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: will do. like i say it happens way randomly. my mush is on for about 4-8 hours and then machine is shut down. so its not that mush is getting sleepy or anything. 
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avatar of Ditta Tech: Hmm I'm somehow not seeing golden auras anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avatar of Ditta Tech: I've got true seeing so I should be able to. But I can;t anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avatar of Ditta Tech: its not appearing
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: sure the mobs are good aligned ?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: nuetral has no aura
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avatar of Ditta Tech: the mobs I'm killing are definately good
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avatar of Ditta Tech: I've killed them tons of times
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: cancel your spells, and respell
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avatar of Ditta Tech: i'll try that
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Avatar of Ditta Tech: I respelled twice and now it works
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: umm, I don't remember how to do "anything" in MUD (scripting, triggering, alias, setting targets) anymore D:
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gibbals Tech: would someone care enough to show me the ropes? O.oa
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeilhuitl Tech: By the way, someone once told me that when a Wi-Fi network is congested in a room filled with desktops, laptops and mobile devices, the so-called smaller, mobile devices (slates, tablets, phones) are the first ones to be cut off from access or the first ones to get stalled, delayed access? Is this true or a misconception? 
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeilhuitl Tech: i asked google, didnt get a good answer so far.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: i'm guessing it's because mobile devices are lower power
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: for zmud if i use {item1|item2|item3...}  in the matching part of the trigger, is there any way to retrieve which item from the list did the trigger match?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mindcrime Tech: laser trigs alert!
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dfury laughs out loud.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: no, trying to make a script to convert the output from roster 10 into numeric levels
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: anyone?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: (speaking abt the Victorian system, anyway, no personal knowledge of other states)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: mis :P
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, do gmcp messages come before the actual combat messages?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not sure, haven't got that far yet
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i guess i have some slow script then, i see my gmcp gauges update before i see the actual hits :p
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: or is there some setting in mush that affects how often the screen is updated?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: okay, so in this new Aard MUSHclient... why does it say "Woodberry Hill Brookside" in addition to the line number, when I hover over the main window?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Anyone?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, it appears that only the enemy percentage thing sends before the rest
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: s
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: For those who haven't seen this yet (10 months old): http://singularityhub.com/2010/03/30/haptic-vest-lets-you-feel-bullets-and-knives-in-video-games/
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: The good old vr vest.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Well, not quite. This one uses solenoids as opposed to compressed air
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: hey, where can i find macros in mush?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: hey, where can i find macros in mush?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}V4 or Bust Xyzzy Tech: just stick your hands in and feel around?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: alt-enter, Input, Macros
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: is it a good idea to make attack macros?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: in mush, why cant i set a alias to the F series of keys on my keyboard? everytime i set them they disapear after ive set them?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: help please
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: tough to say without more information... mine work correctly
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: on mush?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: how does it disappear? when you restart mushclient, or when you press ok?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: first i set them,then save them, then click ok, then when i try use them nothing happens. when i go check my maros theyre not there anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: macrostell huan huan?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you don't need to click the "save..." button. It's for transfering them between worlds
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: uhm miss
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: try using a different F#
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: i couldn't get mine to work with F1, for example
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: aha! thanks elvendar.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I can :) There is option "F1,F6 are macros" in global configuration
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Elvendar goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: learned something new today, thanks :)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: where can i download the stats detector?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: for mush
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: my stats mini-window isn't updating anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: who is hanging out in here?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: occasionally I am, at work, so in and out
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: all good
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: in and out is a good way to be
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: im having a problem with spellup (name) otherwise spelling up others, was wondering if anyone could help me
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: well, invdata does include the level so you can check that
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: or you can get an invdetails of the item before you decide to do something with it
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: thanks bast, forgot about invdetails, that'll make the script a tad bit more concise :)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what client are you programming for?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aterius Tech: see curse
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aterius Tech: ahem, now....how do i make it remember my folder settings...i tried take ownership
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aterius Tech: in wins 7 please help
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: what would be the equivalent command in cmud for #forall but with a DB record?  or can i use #forall with a db record not just a string list?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: #loopdb
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: tnx Myr!
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but you can use #forall with a database record too, %i will just be key=value
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: well, you COULD use #forall, but that would return the entire key=value as a result for .
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: err, for %i
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ok but for loopdb say i have a list of equipment, key =level and value = id num i could do #loopdb gear {put %val ag1}
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: hrmm @bag1
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: that'd put all the 'id' numbers listed in that db into the variable bag1 right?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: gear would need the at-sign
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: and yes.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: excellent, thank ya
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: though for that, i'd probably use #forall 
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: though for that, i'd probably use #forall %dbvalues(@gear)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ok. thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nothing wrong with your way, but i normally only think of using loopdb when i need to use the key and the value...*shrug
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Nimwit Velian nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: one less command/function call to worry about.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: hrmm... i just got an error trying to copy something out of excel, said 'cannot open clipboard'...
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: and i don't feel like rebooting, any quick way to fix?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i've gotten that a new times too lately, dunno why
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: end explorer.exe through the task manager
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but just click continue, and you'll find it'll have copied anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh good, someone's finally making a cmud script to get/put/sort containers by level? :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's kinda useless in the long run imo, since you have to rerun it every time you put something new in the bag, if you want it to stay in order :P
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: not making a eq sorter
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i'm organizing all my equipment into a db so it'll autoequip stuff as i level ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: depends on how you organize your bags, how often you'd need to resort...wouldn't use it on a portalbag or potionbag
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: sharing as opposed to making, Abe.  ZMud/CMud users tend to make all sorts of weird, fun, useful, useless, etc stuff but tend not to share as readily as the Mush client seems to.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You snicker softly.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: I just had a happy moment in my head there, replace client with community.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: do you need a minute tutal?  maybe a towel?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Nimwit Velian looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: never forget your towel
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Nimwit Velian rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: the towel is going to be a feature of version 2.0
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i have extra ones in my towelbag if ya need...
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what level are they?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: all epic level... i need to find some newb towels
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: but when i bought my new one a full keyboard was a requirement
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, thought you were talking about your towel
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: guess %loopdb works better if i save the db...
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: there is no %loopdb, just #loopdb. ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: that's what i meant.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i've been playing with this all morning, my mind is starting to numb
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: sounds like too many happy moments
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: speaking off... does aard have a lundromat?  my towels are all dirty
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure, just drop them off at <insert person to insult here>'s place
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: ok, ive got tt running on mac, where do I place the file for #read command
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: #read ~/tt/aard doesnt work
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: go figure i can get it working in windows but not mac - *smh
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kaelain Tech: how do I get rid of the "{chan ch=tech} before the channel name?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: tags off
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'm not familiar with macs, but maybe use the full path instead of '~'?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: help tags
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: tags channels off
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kaelain Tech: thank you
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: or, if you have a script dependant on them, by whatever mechanism your client uses to isolate the match or otherwise remove the unwanted portions.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: so it would be usersusernametard?  is there a symbol for root of drive?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I think mac stuff is like unix? so it'd be /home/username instead of ~
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: cool thats what i wasnt sure of, ill give it a whirl, i knew i could change directory like cd ~/tt/ and it worked so wasnt sure
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: If the mac uses something other that /home, try the 'pwd' command in your home directory
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: that did it, it was just /Users/Username/TT  thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: Cmud : another db question quick upon trigger i wanna check a db where key=item level and value=item id.  The trigger is off of the level message i want it to evaluate the db for an key=alevel (where a level level+tier*10)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ismember best bet?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: not if the key you are checking is only going to have one level
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ??
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: value, not level.  I must have some malware active today.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: the key = itemlevel, so one db could contain keys (1,41,81,121,161,200)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i want to compare my actual level to the key, not the value.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ok, is value an actual stringlist, or a delimited string like you show?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: value is simply another value.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ah, %iskey() then
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so key=121|value=13320595
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ahh iskey, tnx
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: whiskey? yes, me too, thanks.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in the helpfile there should be a couple lists of commands and functions, both in a concept-organized section as well as sections based on alphabetization.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: yah i got it from there, just need help discovering the best function. dont' know all the functions yet.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A piece of Sakata Tech: lol I lost the command to bring my window up for quests, it's not (mcp Quest toggle?)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: when dealing with, say, datarecord variables or the database, you would look under the heading of data and it'll have links to all the commands and functions related to the db.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: true, thanks ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: cmud not equal is !=?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: correct
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: off
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: just type the name of the channel to turn it on/off, Littleman
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: a t8 doesn't know how to turn off a channel...?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Nimwit Velian shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: or came back from a long absence and forgot
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: or just forgot and never had reason to toggle a channel
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: can someone explain to me why im seeing "Received option bytes :101,1" on every tick?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: tickinfo?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: naw, this is something to do with telnet_options i believe.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: help telopts
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: Cmud : using db still, looking for an idea on the most efficient/best way to sort through a db looking for the greatest key which is less than the value in 1
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so for instance db=01=207271793|175=403552736|141=403430732|1=114633754|96=402442960|76=399000369 contains key 1,10,30,50 and 1 is 40
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so for instance db=@arms contains key 1,10,30,50 and @alevel is 40
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: I'd want it to pick the key 30 and output the value of key=30
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you will need to loop through it manually.  Had you wanted the highest/lowest you could just use %min() or %max().
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so basically most 'efficient' would be to check each key and save the key to a indexing variable if the key is greater than the old value of the index but less then @Alevel?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, you are wanting something similar to min/max, but for an arbitrary value inbetween.  There's nothing builtin that takes you straight there, so you need to somehow figure it out as you go or build a new list that eliminates what you obviously don't need to consider.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ok thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: i was wondering if someone could help me, i am not able to spellups others with the spellup (name) option, it gives me a message....
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: the message is unkown 'spellup' option 'ralyn' given.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: that is for spellup ralyn
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: that's what it says if the person is not there
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: it says that when i in the same room as them
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: are they visible to you?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: i tried downloading a new client to see if it was my client
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: then i have no clue
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: that did not work ive asked imms and they cant help me either
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: i was told to ask on the tech channel
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: spellup other ralyn, perhaps?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: it gives me same thing
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: odd.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: Unknown 'spellup' option 'ralyn' given. See 'HELP SPELLS' for list.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: i dont know what else to do, i have no plugins downloaded
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Nibbly comforts Overfiend.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: like i said i tried a new client to see if that would help and nothing
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: i dont know if i should try sending a note to lasher next maybe?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Try 'spellup learned ralyn'?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: same thing
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Is ralyn in the room, and can you see him?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: just spellup works for myself
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Come to 1s of recall, let's see if I get the same problem.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: thank you everyone
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: is there a command that gags telopts messages?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: which messages are you referring to?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, telopts are sent out of bound, there is no message unless your script is outputting them client-side
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: Received option bytes :101,1 
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: which is kind of a bad thing, since they are probably handled before packet reconstructions
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what client?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: not sure how it happened, but im seeing this on every tick and others when i enter note mode and combat and such.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: mush
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: probably one of your plugins is doing it then
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: no way of telling which one it maybe?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you probably just need to logically consider each plugin and determine if they are doing anything based on the tick.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: another thing you can do is just start disabling plugins until the message stops
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: yea. i can do that, but i havent added any plugins or anything. is why i was thinking i might of toggled something.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: then, logically, you would look in Preferences, yes?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: as far as I know, Aard itself doesn't send a message like that
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: nodnod, ill keep checking the plugins.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it just sends something like >--TICK--<, plus whatever shows for the TICKINFO line
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}D ShiZniT Cochimetl Tech: any idea why I keep getting disconnected in a large room when I charge in?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}D ShiZniT Cochimetl Tech: or when I type slist
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what client?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}D ShiZniT Cochimetl Tech: Portal GT
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: probably because it's portal.  Didn't that go deadware like a long time ago?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}D ShiZniT Cochimetl Tech: No
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: is there anyway i can keep spellup doing inertial barrier and not do it during spellup (name)? using the built in spellup commands.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: talking about when they group with me
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Uke Tech: wow just logged on with a fresh install of aardMush! dang... nice. but whats a good spellup script to use with this one? 
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Uke Tech: thanks!
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: I'm trying to edit my .xsession to just run nothing but a giant xterm on startup instead of KDE -- but when I log in, it goes black for a moment and then goes back to the KDE login page. Any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: debian lenny
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: English only on public channels please.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas bats his eyelashes innocently at Oladon.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mahon Tech: How do I stop a macro from also launching windows help?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: u mean f1?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: bind the macro to a different key.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mahon Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: in mush f1 pulls up help even if you set it as a macro
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: ive been wondering the same thing as mahon
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: any key that the OS is listening for will trump any bindings present in other applications.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mahon Tech: I hve it working in another Much but not this new version
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mahon Tech: mush
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Littleman Tech: file/global preferences/general tab. check the "f1/f6 are macros" box
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: there is an option in File->Global Preferences->General, F1,F6 are macros, check it to undo the f1 makes help come up
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mahon Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mahon Tech: thank you both Bast and Littleman
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, what's the command to reset the layout for the aard client?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: initaard?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: resetaard in the new one
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, under which plugin is that command found?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: aard_layout.xml
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ah, it seems that in the ver i have it's resetaard, not initaard
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: anyone running on linux
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger raises his hand.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: It's still better to just ask your question :P
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Quite a few people actually.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: enough that you can just ask =)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: im using ubuntu... do you know if using wine opens me up to viruses?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Not really, since you don't have any registry keys to infect :P
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Considering the fact that Wine only runs what you tell it to run...
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: oooooo
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Do you normally download virii and run them? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: I'd say there's the possibility (after all, a virus *is* windows code)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Unless you want to approve it to "We don't like linux, can we delete you / drive?" i think you're fine :P
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: virii....
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: well i download porn... but im on a mac also :D
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: oladon: people can be deceived into installing something that contains malicious code
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: in which case, maybe the better word is trojan horse, but even so
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Vultaire: Yes, I'm perfectly aware of that. And?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Most 'malicious code' won't have an affect on linux, if it's designed for windoze
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: but to make a blanket statement that it will not is plain stupid
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: to say it's unlikely is better
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Ok, how about "highly unlikely"
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Did I make a blanket statemetn?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: I can live with that
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oladon looks for blanket statements.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ta'veren Vultaire also does...
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger thows a blanket on Oladon.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: s/thows/throws/g
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: haha
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger giggles at himself -- he must be nervous or something.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: Blankets are useful.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: there a blanket statement
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Couple of them :P
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: sooo next question... ubuntu came with a transmission torrent client, wheres best place to get torrents from would you all say
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: I don't see an exact blanket statement, but I see at least one that draws very close
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: not by you though, oladon
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Since anything containing the word "blanket" becomes a 'blanket statement'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: =)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowSkil Pretz Tech: dont listen to vult he cant figure out a toaster =)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: www.google.com is a pretty nice place, in addition, most distros have a torrent. There are many sites with torrents. If you're asking for where to find copyrighted material, I don't think we can help you.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: oh shut up pretz =P
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oladon claps at Riddim's performance.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: im not asking for copyrighted materials!!!! just music that may be offered for peers by the peers
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Er... music is copywrited...
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Righted, too.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: not all music is copyrighted
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: except for that which is freely released
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: There are probably many sites that offer freely released music, but I don't know of any that bother with torrents, since you can host it.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: archive.org is a good start
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: riddim shut up... anyone else hahaha
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: almost all *nod* but most free is not torrented.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Gohedron, I'd suggest that you read the channel policies.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: in addition, many musicians maintain personal sites where they freely distrubite there music, but once again, it's rarely via torrent.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: oh ya (ps just kidding riddim)
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: so blankets and stuff right? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Electric blankets, so that it's tech-appropriate.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: well duh what else
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: how do i disable MUSHClient trying to access Help instead of my macro, when i hit F1?
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: here is a blanket statement don't argue with an imm that politely tells you to check help files on what is not allowed on public channels.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: speaking of blanket... it's pretty cold in my apt. need to fix that problem... #if (%velian.status="cold") {#send wear blanket}
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: On windows, don't think it's possible.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: better.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Zylias, I approve your blanket statement.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gohedron Tech: i wasnt argueing with him zarquil... how about dont jump into conversations
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: fixed thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: is malicious code that wrecks Windows able to corrupt *nix through Wine
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: No, because code that wrecks windows is designed to wreck windows.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Generally, no. Is it possible? Yes. Will it likely happen to you? Not if you don't act silly about it.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: for one it won't have the privledges also wine only fakes windows, likely without buffer overflows to artifically push the cpu stack.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shakia xor esp, esp.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Just because WINE runs windows programs (somewhat shoddily, build dependant) doesn't mean that it /is/ windows. MOST, but not all, code designed to 'wreck' a system has a hardcoded place where it is designed to go.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: SO if that place isn't there on your system, IE D:, then it can't embed itself to do it's dirty work.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Not to mention that you don't even have C:, you have ~/.WINE/C: :P
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: So, would it be a "bug" that gmcp.status doesn't send a pos=fighting if combat doesn't last past the first attack?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well... the problem is that as soon as the fight is over gmcp sends pos=3 so you problably don't see the combat status.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: try disabling trigger on trigger.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: Anaristos, i have a trigger for gmcp.status if =fighting it resets a few variables to 0, those variables don't get reset to 0 in a one round combat.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so it's not even parsing gmcp.status = fighting to me.  what would 'disabling triger on trigger' do?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it would hold off firing triggers until the current trigger processing is complete. If the mud is sending both data, the return to pos 3 may overrun the first trigger.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ahh gotcha
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you look at your combat prompt you will notice that the info gmcp sends is the same, just a step ahead of what you see on the mud output. In the case of a one shot fight there is no combat prompt so maybe there is no gmcp data sent.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i'm thinking that's the case
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: You get an updated char.status at the end of the fight regardless, but if it was one-round you never get a pos=fighting.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i've changed several settings and am not getting anything.  but not really a big deal.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Nimwit Velian nods at Jhav.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: my question though really, is that a bug?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: not sure if i should report it or if that's 'intended' because of some problem.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, and you also don't get a combat prompt. The gmcp data is the equivalent.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if it is a bug, it would be one very difficult to resolve since it is a timing problem.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Nimwit Velian rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: especially since gmcp.status sends before all the 'end of combat text' goes
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Lasher would have to conciously check to see if this is the one special case where two gcmp messages should be sent. However, since the first message is already stale, I don't see the point of such fix.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: Like I said, doesn't bother me if my 'combat stats' script doesn't fire on 1 round combats
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: cause pretty sure i can do the exp per second math in my head for that one ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: since I've installed a router my connection to the mud seems to drop when I don't do anything for some time. 
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: since I've installed a router my connection to the mud seems to drop when I don't do anything for some time. 
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: any idea's?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: probably has a connect-on-demand feature
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which could be switched to a "always on"
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: always on is sometimes shown in the settings as keep-alive
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but that's what you need to look out for
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: yeah been looking at that can't find anything, hmm
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it'll be there somewhere
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: provided it's an all-in-one router/modem, not just a router
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: just a router
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: check on the modem settings instead then
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: worked fine before the router so I think it's not on the modem side.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it'll be that setting on the modem side
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: i'll have a look
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or a faulty router, but if you don't check that setting and take the router back, they're perfectly entitled to tell you to naff off if there's nothign wrong with it
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, it's good to cover your bases just incase
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: has anyone had a problem with cmud where when you try to portal somewhere it does not update the map?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: not since gmcp
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Coot lil Guala Tech: anyone here using a A.C. Ryan Playon!hd?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: it has only been doing it the past couple days i found normally to fix it i have to reconfigure the map
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: any mac monkeys here that could help with a 'sparse image bundle' ?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: how do i tell if i have 32bit or 64bit vista?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atzauatzin Mitsuda Tech: Go in Control Panel and then System
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atzauatzin Mitsuda Tech: then System again, and you'll see it on that page.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: thanks!
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atzauatzin Mitsuda Tech: n
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atzauatzin Mitsuda Tech: np
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: is there a keyboard shortcut (windows 7) to change keyboard language?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: you can do that?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i don't know
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: or is it all just tied into Fonts?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: either there is one, and i'm hitting it accidentally, or my keyboard language keeps changing automatically :P
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: there are shortcuts to swap between installed ones
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: It's alt-shift what you're looking for?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: either way, it's extremely annoying
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Rather, is it?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: uninstall the other languages
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i want the other languages
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i just don't want to switch between them accidentally
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and no, it's not alt+shift...
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so, any way to stop this?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: or do you know what the keyboard shortcut is, so i can try to avoid it?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: have you tried searching the help for it?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ok, apparently it's ctrl+shift
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: is there a way to disable keyboard shortcuts? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Control Panel > Change Keyboard and other input settings
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: hey, how the hell did my cpu get rusted??!
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: water, usually
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: intercooler leak?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: not got water cooling then?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: You have moister in house?  I don't know the term, but heating and moisture can do that.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: mmmm.. 
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: moisture, humitity...
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: live near salt water?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: yeah, next to the beach infact
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: that'll do it
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: ...I Bought a new one..anyone goe an idea on how to configure it?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: Does it even need configuring?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Just plug it in correctly.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: new cpu?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: yeah.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: isolate from mains, make sure you use thermal compound if provided, don't use too much that it oozes everywhere, use enough that it makes a proper seal, make sure the heatsink is mounted correctly and not deforming the board, make sure it's a nice flat contact
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i usually put the cpu in, then take it out and put in again just to ensure the zif socket has got it properly and that it's in true
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: (doesn't apply to the new intel stuff)
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: can anyone suggest an idea? I need a normal and fast way to simulate datatable in C# not using the DataTable class - user can add named columns of certain types and then add rows with values.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: lots of variables, with even more code to handle it all
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: Arraylist of Hashtables?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: sorry, hashtable of arrays?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: custom class?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: what would be a very easy language for extracting certain html code and putting it into a database? python?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: hm, I was using ArrayList of custom Column classes, guess Hashtable will do better, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: php, mushambo?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: in cmud is there a way to find the width of a window?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I just got a message saying {spellheaders affected noprompt} appear, followed by a dump of my spells, anyone know what it is? (using mushclient with bast spellups)
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: is there something inherent in zmud tat it doesn't interpret 'off*' 'no*' as arguments to functions/aliases/etc. ? and how do I turn it off?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: intrinsic*
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, anyone here script in mush?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: I do Javascript, not Lua - but I might be able to help regardless.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I'm aight
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: burger cant script
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: he lies
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jhav crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to CheezFries.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: yeah his bot was caught in what under 20m?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i have a trigger that will break on something which contains an asterik *, any idea how to force it to process literally?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Says the man running on a client i scripted from scratch :P
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: \*
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: thats not the point
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: as in the trigger captures the string containing * in a wildcard
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: should i have a function to sub it to *?
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nod, escape it w/ back-slash
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: err, forward slash
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Oh wait, you mean like {* Tech} --> {Note("%1 said something on tech")} or {\*RandomSocialHere} {Note(Socialed)}
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i have a regex trigger on you get (blahblahblah)
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and picked up some item with * in it and it broke :p
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: on this 280*:     if string.find(v,f) then, where f is the wildcard with *
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, any reason why playsound in mush will pause if you're in another window?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oh nevermind
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: so let me get this straight... you can donate to aard via Paypal with a credit card, without needing to have or sign up for a 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: Paypal account? or am i missing something on the link
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: Thats what I did.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atzauatzin Mitsuda Tech: Yep.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: ok thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Moidart Tech: for mushclient..once a plugin is installed and running properly, is it ok to delete the downloaded .xml file?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: that is the plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: It won't load next time you start the client if the xml is gone
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no, it loads that xml file on startup
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Moidart Tech: gotcha, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: donations to aard can be any multiple of $1 (USA), as long as it's $10 or more, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: bloody ebay sellers trying to rip people off
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: ordered a power board for mother's laptop. Sale sheet stipulated new, it's clearly a reworked/refurbished one
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: is it possible to run checkdisk on vista? (My java has been running strangely/incorrctly/simply not running for a while ago,d epsite uninstalling/reinstalling/upgrading)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Phalae peers around himself intently.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: how do you turn different gmcp modules on or off?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you just ignore their broadcast, afaik
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: not so, apparently
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: debug is on, all others are off, receiving comm.tick but that's about it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: the documentation is a bit sparse for gcmp
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i'll have to wait for the americans to wake up
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: lightweight free downloader that supports resume for windows, anyone?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: GetRight
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: downthemall for ff
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: heh, vista rather helpfully installed the wrong update for a network card and now won't boot
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: hands up anyone who is surprised
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Coup de Calamar Tech: Vista did that? lol yeah right :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: >.>
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Coup de Calamar blinks innocently.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Coup de Calamar Tech: jk Vista blows
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Pfft, Vista /never/ makes mistakes...
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: only trouble is, it won't even let me into safe mode to roll it back on account of it being a dumbarse
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Vista SP2 disabled my keyboard and mouse. Had to do recovery using touchscreen only.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: at this rate, i'm going to have to burn an install iso to dvd and use that to do a system restore
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: I went to Ubuntu and swore off Vista after it destroyed my registry one day and demanded I pay for ANOTHER copy of Windows and that mine had gone bad.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and being a crap acer laptop, you can't disable the nic in bios
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: if if has a new name, use the rule of Version 1.0.  In addition, if it's a Microsoft OS, use the Version 1.0 rule when it's released in an odd-numbered year.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: need an advice with c# - I've got an object[] array, what would be the best way to get copy of it that doesn't have any references to initial object ?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: .Clone() and .CopyTo makes a shallow copy - new array but same references to objects inside it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: doesn't it depend to some extent on the type of object contained?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: oh, got help, thanks :)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: I'm out of ideas.. I fill in my datagrid with values from array, in debug mode step-by-step it fills OK with values from 1 to 9, but just right after I step out from my fill function to the UI thread - it always shows last  value in the first and last cell (9,2,3,...,9)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: there isn't any custom code between filling values and UI thread, and it suddenly just changes...
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: hello
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hi?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: i got a problem
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: hi hi
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: So ask it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: im using finmud to play but it looks like theres a problem with the password so it doesnt let me change the password 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: and without it i cant remort..change my class and so other stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: then how you online?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Never heard of finmud. And what do you mean "problem with the password"
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visteon Tech: hax
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: im at work so i dont have acces to alot of pages, i was lucky enough to find thi one
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: can't you just change your password now?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visteon Tech: oo oo botting?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: and i you guys try to change my password then i wont have access to that acc..an imm already send an email to finmud developers but still dunno what to do
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Ummm....huh?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: use a different client?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can change your password...what you are having trouble with is changing the password that finnmud has saved to the world profile...
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: so is there something i can do about it i mean with finmud?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: oh there are 2 different passwords
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: what the poo is Finmud?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: go to the finmud helpfiles or forums
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: what is a poo?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: from what i have learned the rebuild command does not work for either one of our characters
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: euphemism for something else
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Qaddosh's lips move in slow motion as he says, "L-A-A-A-G"
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: most likely because finmud allow for password of less than 8 characters we were unaware the passwords had to be of 8 characters
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: and this is a major issue we can not rebuild once we reach hero level
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: gah, a pox on it, can't even the data of this stupid drive because of vista
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: In other words you don't know your own password?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: aardpasswords can be shorter than 8 characters.  All of mine are.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: im kind of lost, let's whoa back for a sec....someone explain to me the password thing again
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, dunno why you thought they had to be 8 chars
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: IMO it's just plain stupid to let a program remember a password for you instead of just making it easier to put in
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: ok let me try explaining again.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: im back
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: we play on finmud right
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: anything over than 8 chars is ignored, though
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the password he's probably having trouble with is likely a client password meant to keep other users of that computer out of the world and/or the client.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: You not remember your own password?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: no other client we hhave available
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: that might make sense
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: you can't login through telnet and remort?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger nods at Ode.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: we do not know how to use telnet from windows
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you do have other clients available
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: yes but wait we at work dont have access to websites
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: look in accessories
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: we where lucky to find this one
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: start -> run, type telnet
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: If their on vista or win7 it's disabled by default
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: it's just a windows utility/well it's a utility regardless of OS but telnet.exe
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: it dosnt work
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: gross
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why couldn't microsoft have put just a simple explorer shell on their install cd?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: our windows xp doesnt have telent
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: no it's not Cheez, I can use telnet.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: XP DOES have tenlet
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: are you specifically barred from websites, or just certain ones?  Because as soon as someone discovers you're on a website when you're definitely not supposed to be you can get fired.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: saatai, then you changed the default
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: It didn't say it can't be re-enabled, it just comes prepackaged disabled
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: no access to most sites they are blocke
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: i got a msg that syas windows cannot find telnet
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you have to go to add/remove programs on windows 7 to get the functionality
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: i believe we have windows xp
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: and vista
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Can you go to Google?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: yes but once we try to open a website is blocked
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Search for Aardwolf and click on "cached"
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger nods at Oladon.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or, y'know, actually work at work and remort once you get home
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: we do we have xp
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Unless your sys admin specifically blocked the cache, you can access an older snapshot of a site by clicking "cached"
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: WORK?  At work?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: No, sir!
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: are cached sites not tracked or whatever?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: They show up as a subdomain of google.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: we cant even click cahed
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: no cached are also block
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Then yeah, you might want to work at work. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: we have fortiguard web filtering
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: NOds, looks like you should do what you get paid for now :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: remort at home :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: NOOOO NEVAAAA
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: i well never work at work
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: sounds like you have a firewall problem.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: am are you trying to help us or tell us what to do?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: not right you know 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: It's called a smart system administrator trying to make people do what they're getting paid to do, sattai.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: many companies nowadays don't even want you using their Internet for private use on breaktimes.  Some of those companies will actually fire you for such use, even if you are otherwise a loyal and trustworthy employee.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: T_T
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: nevermind then. 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: one last question then how do you telnet using dos?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: One alternative is getting a portable client on a thumb drive and bringing it to work with you.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: usb ports not available
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: *Rofl*, you guys are hosed :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: no usb ports?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: yes but aardwolf is fun
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Spiritu )
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Install a client at home, zip the directory it's installed in, email it to yourself?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: You could put telnet on a floppy disk and use that
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: we cant
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how did you install finmud?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: you cant email .exe files 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: You can if you rename them to .ex_
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: Madcatz already try to email me one
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: If you rename it you can
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: oh really
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: then how you on now?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: another lovely Microsoft security flaw.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Doesn't have anything to do with MS.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nothing to do with MS
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: that's not MS, that's poor code
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: no it's not MS.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: can you do guys do that ?? pleaseeeeeee
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: as much as security people try to do stuff, you can always find ways around it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: why not email a client that aardwolf uses with the .ex_
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: i dont wanna wait ill be here for another 5h 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: fine, then.  The first-ever systemic security flaw endemic to ALL operating systems.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not first-ever, there are plenty of them
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: as i came late to the conversation, did the java client on the aard site not work?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: As security awareness increases, so does the ant-security counter-component.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: It doesn't have to do with an OS, either.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: filtered web access
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: im not sure tiger
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: no access to aardwolf site
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: couldn't you just access the site by IP?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: filterweb + firewall
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: if you can edit the hosts file that'd be rather funny
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: we never try
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: i thought the first security flaw endemic to all OSes was PEBKAC?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: what is the ip
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oladon sniggers at Qaddosh's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's blocked at the firewall end, so hosts file wouldn't change
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: whats the firewall software being used
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: And IIRC you can email a .exe if you put it inside a .zip file anyways.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: their employer is using firewalls from fortinet.com...nice boxes for VPN, but we don't use their scanning/filtering, as we use websense for web filtering and checkpoint for firewall
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: yep, just have to mask the .exe basically you could even rename it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: can you email it?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: most scanning software is set to check within zipfiles, nested xx deep, and to disallow attachments that are nested deeper than that
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: ssh+xwindow!
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Le do, lo  Shakia nogs at himself, he must be getting freaky!
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: then rename it .txt and rename it .exe after downloading lol
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: email to dante.gcsmail.com for me
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: email to dante.gcsgmail.com for me
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: chango255 gmail.com
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: use two at-signs to do a literal @
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: how heavy is the web filtering?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: use at twice, it's the escape character "ATAT"
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: chango255@gmail.com
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cain killd Abelinc waits to see these two having plenty of time to play Aard from home
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger snickers with you about your shared secret. 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: well I still think it's firewall problem.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Laughing Lacrimosa crosses her arms and nods sagely to you.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: *coughunemploymentcough*
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: sucks getting to hero and not being able to remort
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: kind of gets the fun out of it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cruella de Purr Tech: Yeah, their IT department just blocked stuff for gits and shiggles. Not because management WANTED it that way.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're not hero ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: You're not 200
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: im still not there but close and mt friend got his char screwed up because of the password reset
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: he did 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: im nearly there
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: hey, speaking of which, doesn't helping someone engage in against-policy stuff fall under the don't-do-that policy here regarding hacks, cracks, and other illegal stuff?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: our work blocked a ton of ports, but they don't filter webcontent, so i can use the java client, or failing that, ssh home
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not illegal stuff, so no
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Laughing Lacrimosa nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: breaking rules at work is not illegal
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just not smart
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: well many people here who know how to do other tech things watch movies and videos and others
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: i dont know much about it other than i learn to mud when i was like 15
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: If it gets them fired, that's their issue and their risk :P We aren't doing anything illegal, just slightly frowned upon.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ask them for their ways
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so now that you're 16, you still want to mud
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: i am 30
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: i am just trying to enjoy work
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: meh
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, you're trying to avoid work
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cruella de Purr Tech: for a while
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: they already took my porn dont let them take mud too T_T
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: im kidding
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: enjoying work would be defined as enjoying what you are paid to do...not merely doing what you enjoy while on the clock
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: depends on what work is.  Some jobs go long stretches of doing nothing, simply requiring you to be ready in case something ever did happen.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Laughing Lacrimosa seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: i am working right now taking my calls
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: the same here
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: there can be downtime, not my problem if they're not doing their homeworks or whatever it is grownups do at work hehe
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i blame Acer
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not dell this time?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: anyways can i use the winrar to open the zip?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they were last year
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: yup, that 7zip or winzip will work
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or just windows xp
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ack. winzip
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: zip/unzip is built-in :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: that might be locked
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: ok thanks we will update you on the situation later once we get the client
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: bah, we should all still be using xp, best os by far
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: much agreed!
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: there are people out there who still use winzip? isn't that piece of crap software dead and buried yet?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: my friend might still need a password change but most likely is as you say the password provided was for finmudonly not aardwolf
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the unzip wizard in XP has issues with some of the zip formats, thinking they are not valid.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i experience this on a daily basis and that is why i do not use it anymore lol
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it was written best part of 10 years ago, so it would
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I never use a wizard in xp, just open up the archive
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: it's nice up until the point you need to zip a file
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: and care about how it's stored
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right-click, send to, compressed
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i doubt the xp compression wizard thing was ever intended for anything other than convenience
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I hate that W7 doesn't highlight the file extension when you click the name
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: when i first saw it i wondered if winzip and windows teamed up lol
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i hate that w7 causes applications to fall over at the drop of a hat
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Ok, so in Ubuntu 10.10 i did "
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that's because you have "hide extensions" enabled
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: sigh
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: damn copy paste fail
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ode giggles.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and how it allows netbeans 6.8 to use all of it's resources and grind to a halt
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no dag
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes abe
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: uncheck that box and you'll be fine ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no dag
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes abe
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the extension is always shown, it's sitting right there.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: yesnomaybe all of you
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ah, so what's the problem?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you'd READ the problem as described, you'd know :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: So, in Ubuntu 10.10 i did --> "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lexical/hwe-wireless;sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install rtl8192ce-dkms" to get my wireless enabled, it works and i now have wireless, but the connection keeps saying it dropped when it hasn't and i have MUCH more lag than on windows, any idea why or how to fix it?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but that takes effort :S
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: click a filename which has a (visible) extension, wait a sec, click it again...that has always given you the "rename" box, with the current name highlighted
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: I don't use wireless on Ubuntu, Cheez, sorry.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in W7, it highlights the part of the name NOT including the extension
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, i get it now
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: makes sense tho. how often do you need to manually change extensions?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: Too many people were probably changing the filename and not adding the extension, Abelinc.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: normally when I'm selecting a name, it's to copy/paste it into something like an href, which means I now have to type it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: how long will it take for ms to realise that what people want is a 64bit version of xp that supports dx11 and that's about it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i do it incredibly frequently dag haha
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: xp is dead, deal with it :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: mine just need sto support about dx3 or 4
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: i actually really like that. its a better use case from my perspective
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no way, nuts
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: w7 has some great features
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: I loved XP.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, abe, and i'll not buy another MS os until they release one that's not crap, or do as we ask
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'd never move back to xp even if it had dx12
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: dx11*
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: if im using a gui to click a file i usually want to rename the file, but not change the extension
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: first thing I did on W7 was get rid of the stupid way it does quicklaunch that takes up so much real estate
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: xp isn't dead, 64bit needs something that actually makes it worthwhile to not bust all my stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zomfg Zoranth Tech: how do you backup aliases in mush
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renras Tech: win7 explorer sucks so so so much
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: taskbar, abe?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: any luck emailing the client?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Besides a few games from the windows 3.11 era, I have had no issues with 64 bit windows 7 running software or using hardware.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: @zoranth go into the aliases options, click save and name it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: pinning folder to the taskbar is amazing
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: even when you tell it to use small icon, it spaces them apart an inch or so
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aterius Tech: i hate windows 7 for every file being flagged as read only
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: btw, i have aero disabled, classic look and small icons. works great
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zomfg Zoranth Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: 64-bit xp was a travesty
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i have had serious serious issues with 64bit stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renras Tech: you can put a folder on the taskbar?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i have issues even with xp and some older games, but manufacturers support for 64bit has been woeful
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup renrar
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's improving, but it was woeful
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you can put anything on the taskbar
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: any luck emailing the client?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: 64-bit has been amazing for me.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I usually do "git commit -a" to back up my aliases, but that requires bit of setup :)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but it does amuse me that outlook 2007 and w7 64bit don't get on
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renras Tech: What do you all think about mushclient vs the tintin-like clients, for ease of use? There's no obvious way of doing simple aliases in mush
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: although that isn't as much of an embuggerance as netbeans 6.x
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: tt > all
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: ctrl-shift-9
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: can be a bit of an arseache having to kill it and reboot a half dozen times a day
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renras Tech: control shift 9, alt a, match text... oh wait, that only works with that text. e.g. You can't do fb for cast fireball, knowing your argument will be added onto the end
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: any luck emailing the client?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: reboot? hmm, don't think I've rebooted w7 for any behavior issues yet, but I've only used it on my primary for about a month
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I haven't spent time in anything with the word "tin" in the app name, but I think the ZMud/CMud coding interface to be leaps and bounds far more friendly than Mush's.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Please stop asking repeatedly
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: alclient ftw
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: If someone had emailed it they would have told you as much.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: oh ok nvmnd just asking
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: renras, "fb *"
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renras Tech: I can't use [zc]mud because I can't get it interfaced with my screen reader. That's the only thing keeping me to mush
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renras Tech: fb * will work with fb mob just perfectly, but not fb just to cast fireball. That's one way tintin beats mush at least for the simple stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: "fb *" requires you to always specify target, no? ^fb( (.*))? -> cast 'fireball' %2, and check regexp
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renras Tech: e.g. #alias {fb} {cast fireball} - fb expands to cast fireball, fb mob expands to cast fireball mob
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: by default, what you type in the matching part of mushclient is glob matching, not regexp...click the regexp checkbox and have it be "^fb" and you're there
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but tbh, I use in-mud aliases for my casts...
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Laughing Lacrimosa nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: alias im c fireball...change that to c scorch later, to c immolate...only remember one alias per damtype, not per spell
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: My spells are all mudside aliases.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renras Tech: same here, but I like having my options open
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: spells, i remember those
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: realias the fire damtype alias to your current-best spell of type fire
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I just remember the numbers
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you have the same options open in client
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: c 136;c 384 ftw
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: it's just simpler to alias the damtype for most of us.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: while there's a bunch of you here, does anyone know how to turn on the different gmcp options? only got comm.tick coming through
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renras Tech: triggers too, e.g. group tank sets and such are harder than they need to be. Oh, wait 5 minutes while I open this gui and add a trigger
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tiger, you on cmud?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: didn't think zmud supported gmcp at all
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the page on aardwolf.com says "protocol gmcp <option>"
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it doesn't
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's a custom block i'm writing
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a negotiated thing, not a send-a-command thing
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ZMud supports plugins, which is probably what he's doing
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: standard telnet negotiation, the client must respond that it will support it, out of band
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: did you try wireshark to see what is actually on the line? It may be bug in your code. I don't think there is option to enable/disable some categories of gmcp data
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's correctly negotiation band 201
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i just want to be able to turn on and off the individual sends
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: as listed in gmcp config options (protocols gmcp)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then you need to be sending Core.Supports.Set [ "category 1" ]
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: send that through 201?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: is there a page describing this?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: like Core.Supports.Set [ "Char 1", "Comm 1", "Core 1" ]
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: would turn on char, com & core
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: comm, room, char, core (pretty much required for anything GMCP), possibly one more I'm forgetting.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: do i need to send those at negotiate time, or can i send them at anytime and restart?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type prot gmcp to see the options
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: any time
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: cool, that's easy enough
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can also turn off options using 0 instead of 1
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it doesn't need to be a full string, if you have 4 of them on, you can turn on a 5th by just saying that one
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: good luck, that'll be a great benefit to zmudders
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: best to be explicit though, i guess
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it'll work with any client
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: works on the stream
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, this is the proxy one
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, like the old mccp proxy thing
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: btw, there are already proxies to do it, which add mappers to other clients, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: only trouble is, i need to get the details of the mccp so i can stick that in it too, because that has to happen first
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, well i wanted to add this to a project i already have, so i can replace cumbersome COM calls
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Riddim twitches nervously.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno if you've looked at imts and lmts, proxies which are kind of bot-in-a-boxes for some IRE MUDs
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: maybe there is another way cheez do you know how to access telnet using the dos of windows xp?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you type "telnet aardmud.org"
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or telnet aardmud.org 4000
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: likely blocked if the other stuff is
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they're on using a client, so the telnet connection itself isn't blocked
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not sure which port they're on through, though
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: it says is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that probably means it wasn't installed
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: telnet was probably removed...it uses the same thing as when you tried it through start -> run
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: that makes sense crap
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: did we already find you couldn't download programs?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: we can but we can not access the website
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: can you access http://putty-portable.en.softonic.com/download
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: let see
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i think what you need to do then is get your sysadmin and ducktape him to the ceiling until he lets you install a client
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: gorilla glue works better than duct tape.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: then we really get fired
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: hey im glad i was able to get my hands on finmud
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: once it's set, pull out a couple large bags of sharpened pencils and threaten to toss them up at him.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: too bad of the glitch i dont get it though
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: get revenge for all those acoustic ceiling tiles!
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i don't have much in the way of sympathy, tbh, you should be working at work, not mudding :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: set up a connection from home then connect home using your smartphone
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: noone was able to mail the client?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: AYT?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: now i am hero so work on a solution for us pls
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: poxy acer and their faulty bioses
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i wish there were a way to disable the backspace key in ie/firefox
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vyxine Tech: i disable the left key on my compy....lol
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vyxine Tech: i fill like Zoolander
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: http://www.tipstrs.com/tip/543/Disable-backspace-key-on-Firefox
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: some idiot decided the backspace key would make a great shortcut for "previous page"
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Tigernuts: Did that work?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't know, firefox is used at work, i'm at home atm which is ie8
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: oh well, laptop will be out of action for 4 weeks while Acer respond to their email
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: no idea how they managed to release to the public a bios that doesn't work
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: laptops should be banned
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: we are waiting on the zip file by email and my friend needs his password reset to be sent by email
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: how can we get in touch with an imm my friend is awaiting his password reset
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Write a note on board Personal addressed to 'imm'  Keep in mind they're not going to deal with password issues for someone else's character with you.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: yeah i know i mean 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: but here is the thing
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: he can not log in so he can not write a note
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: because the password they reset for him was never sent by email so he dont know what it is
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: so a note wont work
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellSpawn Nasus Tech: have him reply to the email.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: to what email?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: no email has been sent by any imm
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellSpawn Nasus Tech: eer Have him email Lasher.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: what is lasher email?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Who is Pohhui Tech: help lasher
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: that comand wont work
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas smirks at Who is Pohhui's saying.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: it says lasher is beyond help, but thanks for trying
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: try wolf@aardwolf.com  (i got that from help donations)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Who is Pohhui smirks.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/fpass.html
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: what is lasher emaiL?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: no website address give me email
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Just read that site, it tells what to do.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: i do not have access 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: give me email
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You don't have access to a web browser?  What are you using, an abacus?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: how is it that you tech's dont know his email i dont understand
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: try wolf@aardwolf.com  (i got that from help donations)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: like i just said
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellSpawn Nasus Tech: Refer your friend there. You dont need to view the webpage.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: refer him to wear?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: to wear what?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: to wolf@aardwolf.com
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: what?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: to were do i refer him?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: you mean to wear, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: that is the email to get in contact with the imms????
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: to where do i refer him to come on
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: that's the e-mail in help donations, lol
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: why cant you guys just give us the email
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Just tell him to go here: http://www.aardwolf.com/fpass.html
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: you must know it you are techs
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: he's given you the email 3 times now
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: see above. that is the email.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: ... they've given it to you like 25 times.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: they have, several times, Spiritu
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: one again we can not go to the website!
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: nope we cant
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: what about wolf@aardwolf.com?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: wolf@aardwolf.com is the email
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: You have been given the email explicitly. Repeatedly.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: that is not his personal email what is lashers email or any imms email
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: that IS his personal email.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: k thx
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Riddim buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: if you say so thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: You want personal email, go make personal friends with IMMs. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: hahaha that is so funny salvanas
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: And true to boot.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas flexes his muscles...what a stud!?!
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: because we have been trying to get you techs to help us but you wont
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: so rather ask an im
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I begin to understand why the password would be reset without telling you what it is.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: we can't help you more than that, Spiritu
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: Refusal to accept help is the second sign of insanity.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: we CAN NOT give out personal emails, firstly that's against policy, and more practically, WE DON'T HAVE THEM! :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: umm, if that isn't help, i don't know what is. some imms have been telling you that you've been told :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: dashiell is an expert on insanity
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: The first sign is offering it to an idiot who refuses. :D
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: PS, Oladon's an IMM, she's replied that ew're giving out the right (and only) advice that we have :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: well we ask earlier about the password reset and no email has been sent
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: so thats why i said that
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: lasher is not around 24/7 he checks his emails when he has time this is not his only job
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did you check your spam filter settings?  Maybe it WAS sent, but your mail system junked it.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Laughing Lacrimosa crosses her arms and nods slowly and sagely to Birdbrain Metria.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: this isn't even his job :)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: mmm nevermind it is no spam you all just have not send it.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: *shakes his head*
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas sighs.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Err... you /do/ realize that normal players can't reset your password, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: and the reset system only can send an email to the address you've got set in your email field...so if your friend's got the wrong one there, or there's not one there, the reset system can't send one.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: We ARE players, just like you. There is no way to contact the IMMs, except (a) pray, (b) sending tells, (c) that email we just gave you. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: ...or attract attention like you do here, and someone might get annoyed enough to respond. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: I wouldn't recommend that last one, btw.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Laughing Lacrimosa is agreeing with that Fluffled Salvanas person again...
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Salvanas knows from experience.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: i no longet have that email...Dreamfyre know about it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas flails his head up and down... you can see the blonde roots.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What's the player name of your friend?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: so let me see if i understand techs are not the technicians?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: thats why it was going to be send to the email of this char
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Nope.  This is a channel for discussing tech.  We're players, not technicians.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: lol. good one
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: good save!
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: Dashiell and Felt are both farmyard animal technicians, does that count?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: my bad im new here i thought this was like a way to talk the administrators
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: we're just players who help out others with questions if we know the answer.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: the player name is Crossmarian is me....
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Zephel, that's probably the problem, for security issues, it's pretty much impossible to send one char's password to another's email.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Level 200 and you claim to be new here?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: so there is no way to directly contact an imm? that sucks
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: who imm and send one a tell.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Actually, imms have been talking here
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: yes i am does that matter?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: i know...dream told me to change the email of this charin order to send all info related to Crossmarian
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: you can also address a note to imms
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: or board personal;note write imm
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: he can not log into his char dreamfyre reset it 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: he can not write a note i told that earlier
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: he should be able to write a note, Spiritu.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: at least on Personal.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: how if he cant log in?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: from the char he's on now!!
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: make a new character to write a note with?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: well i know that ok thans
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Okay, Zephel can write a note. Write one, on board Personal, to IMM, requesting the PW reset. Provide the old email address, as well as the new, and some ways to prove your identity.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: IMHO, It'll still be VERY unlikely that you'll get a reset, but who knows, you might be lucky.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: read 'help password' for the policy on resets.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: That's your best bet. Take it or leave it. 
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: why it is unlikely
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: read help password
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: because he won't be able to prove it was his character
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: actually yes i can
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: but dreamfyre knows he reset it
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: please take it up with the imm involved and stop discussing it here :)
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: So why are you still asking on here instead of writing a personal note to dreamfyre?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spiritu Tech: i dont know we just frustrated does that make sense to you?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yes, I would be frustrated if I were you.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: because another imm told me to go to tech chat in other to get some help thats why.....
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Really?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zephel Tech: no im joking.....
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Are you sure they asked you to go to tech for help with reseting your password? ANd not help with your client?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Becuaser earlier I remember someone was asking about how to use a specific client's password saving feature. That is something tech may be able to help you with. Tech is not able to help you with MUD administration related issues, because we are players.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Anyone know if it's possible to remap control-u to clear the input area using Mushclient?  I don't think I can undo that particular habit in my brain, and it works almost everywhere else. :/
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Any of you three other Mudlet users know how to access a variable from the mud command line? Like if I have a variable currentWeapon defined as a specific weapon ID, make command input 'wield currentWeapon' substitute 'wield <weapon ID>.'
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Anyone know of a Lua function which returns the size of a non-numeric table? Been searching quite a bit and can't find one.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: # <table> doesn't work?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Not for non-numeric tables.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: I guess you could define a function that iterated over pairs(<table>) incrementing a counter and return the end value of the counter. Seems like there should be a built in.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Right, that's what I've done, but I agree that it seems like there should be one built-in.
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Though interestingly enough, btw, iterating over ipairs(t) doesn't work... you have to iterate using next, t
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Can anyone recommend a really good client for a MAC
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Hmmm... Okay I type world.send "sleep" in MUSH and it doesn't do anything.  Aard tells me it's not a command. help?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: just type sleep?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: it's for a script
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: a trigger to be more precise
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: and i'm not actually interested in sleeping
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ndymion, for the Mac, if you like pretty GUI stuff, I'd recommend either mudlet running natively or the new aardMUSH running under parallels/bootcamp/wine/crossover/fusion/etc...if you're a geeky kind of person, tintin++ and tinyfugue both run natively on MacOSX
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Or Mushclient in Wine?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I said that
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: oh, sorry
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aardmush = shorthand for a mushclient install including lots of aard bits
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: particularly the one you can install by going to aardwolf.com, clicking the screen shot
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Lua is supposed to short-cut logical operator evaluation -- so how come when I have: a, b = f(x) or f(y)  (where x returns two values, but y only one), it never defines b?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: is there a function in cmud that will return the width of a window?
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: not that I am aware of.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Not that I don't like the howly wolf logo, but I find it makes the text harder to read as a window background. Anyone know where the setting can be found in the Aardwolf version of Mushclient to get rid of the background image?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is there anyway in mushclient to have the action in a hyperlink send to execute rather than just send?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: any way*
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: What do you mean?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i want the hyperlink to parse ;s, but it's just sending them literally to the mud
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eldunari Blackdragon Tech: how do you get the spellup plugin to work on the new mush client?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Depends on which spellup plugin, I'd imagine. There's bound to be more than one..
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: We need a plugin?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: you can get the v5 version of basts one from his site. works like a charm with the new aardclient
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if i'm sending a gmcp command and start the sequence with IAC WILL 201, isn't the mud supposed to respond with IAC DO 201?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: pipe up when someone gmcp-savvy turns up
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: oh documentation! where art though? couldst though on a clear summers morn, over yonder hill walk, your fiery locks flowing in the breeze
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: Is it possible to still see the tick countdown with the new Mush client?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: help autotick
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: thanx muchly :)
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: gaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: explains a lot
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: does anyone know how I can make communication easier/more effecient
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: as in..
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: i've got ftell gtalk and reply and t/tell
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: and it seems a bit much to have to type gtalk everytime I talk in gtalk
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: gtell ftalk I don't even know
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: why aren't they the same
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: most channel names can be abbreviated e.g. gt = gtell, ft = ftalk, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: also, . and ; are aliases for gossip and gtell respectively
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: that helps a good bit then they are not different with the g's
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you don't have to type any commands in full - first few letters are usually enough
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: yeah i've figured out i could type say t elv and it would work
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: i just didn't realize abbreviations
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: thank you that information does help a lot
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: oh gt and ft are great
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: anyone know gmcp commands expect cr/lf after them?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: anyone know -if-, that is
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eldunari Blackdragon Tech: I got the new aards mushclient, i got basts v5 plugin going well, and spellup scripts etc, but it seems, that once in awhile my spellup plugin wont work, one min it does, the next it just stops working, any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: does your prompt end in %c? If not, it does wonders for helping stuff just work :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eldunari Blackdragon Tech: yea my prompt does.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: gmcp commands don't require lf/cr at the end before SE IAC do they, abe?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: hrm
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: should be using UTF-8?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eldunari Blackdragon Tech: so.... what do i do to make this work?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, bd, try going to file -> plugins, click the spellup, click reinstall
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maxas Tech: I have a mudlet related question. Is there someone who uses MAG who could help me?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no-one can help you if they don't know the question
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maxas Tech: Haha true. I can't seem to get the minimap, stat monitor, status area, or extra info sections at the bottom to show
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try typing "tags on"
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maxas Tech: It says tags are now on but nothing has noticably changed
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: now type "m"
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: did that show a map?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maxas Tech: yes, in the top left main screen bit
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: OK, type just "tags"...is MAP set to YES in that list?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maxas Tech: No, everything is set to no apparently
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's the issue, then :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type statmon for the stats stuff, and tags <option> on for the tags stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maxas Tech: Thanks! That seems to be working!
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maxas Tech: I turned on all the tags, and now the map, stat monitor and chat tabs are working! How do I get the status area and extra info to show?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maxas Tech: It's showing this where the status are should be "----------                 |[*]  [  >  (!*|  
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: looks like something from the automap
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Teddybbeer Tech: why my client shows: {chan ch=gossip}Huge Wang Dexx gossips ?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: tags off
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: because Dexx is a little too proud of himself? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Teddybbeer Tech: ty! it worked :)
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: ok just started back after a wile tryin cmud out and
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: having weird messages pop up beside like clan and stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: {chan ch=tech}
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: any know how to hide em
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: tags channels off
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: see the TAGS output for other details
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: thnks
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: invmon and statmon have their own commands (of the same name)
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: any clue why would that happen - after a minute or two after booting my vmware virtual machine, it stops responding to left-click
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: found a solution :)
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: anyone out there know of a good cmud script site already checked out davos's looking for specifally capture script
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what kind of capture?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and have you checked out the Package Library?  It's built-in.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: on cmud? no ill take a look
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, you DO have to own a registered copy to download scripts from the library, but otherwise you might be able to at least look at the list.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: i find that on their site?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no, from inside the client itself.  Under the View menu on the main menu bar
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: Sweet thnks
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: now i just need some money hehe
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Odd... This regexp matches, but doesn't copy anything... The (\w+)(| \w+) is closed\.$
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: which client?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: mush
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: is the "|" part of the pattern?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: good point
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, looks like an optional second word, so second part matches either nothing or second word
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but don't need to have the |, can just do )?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: sometimes you open "door" and sometimes it's a "turtle box"  the |decides for you
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right, a weak ref.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'll make the second () optional as a whole
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how are you capturing the () stuff?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Confusing question.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you say it's not capturing anything...what are you doing to tell it to capture?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: the () tell it to capture
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, the () allow it to capture
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you must do something with them
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: give an example of what the string would look like.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: otherwise, the moment they capture and that trigger is done, all reference from the () disappear forever
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: The action runs in the trigger, so that shouldn't happen.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you don't process the captures, they go away. The trigger just allows the string to be parsed by the regex engine.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the pattern works correct for me as you put it...I just put "^The (\w+)(| \w+) is closed\.$" as the trigger, and "echo The first word is %1." <hit enter> "echo the second word is %2." as the send...
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then echo The door is closed., it sent what I expected
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then echo The turtle box is closed., it sent what I expected
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which is why I'm asking what you're doing to effect the capture
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for completeness, what I got echoed in the first instance was The first word is door. the second word is ., and the second one gave The first word is turtle. the second word is box.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it looks like if you want the name string "is" has to be in the pattern...
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: I figured it out.  I needed to use quotes around the %1 and %2
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, I see it. But what's wrong with "^The (.+) is closed\.$"?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which would be better given some doors use underscores, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Nothing now.  All my triggers are written for 3.8 and a lot of it broke when I updated to 4.6
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you are only going to get one name string. Either The door is closed or The turtle box is closed. not both.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: got a question
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: in mushclient can u have more than 9 variables?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: I have 27 o.0
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: or do you mean from a single capture?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: yea
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: like %1 - %9
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: I think 10 is the limit
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: There is a limit???
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: 10 = 1
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: so 9 is the limit?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: is there a 0?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: didn't work either
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: then 9 must be it.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: hmm
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: What the hey are you parsing that has more than 10 matches?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: That's a hell of a trigger.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Should you be using some kind of iterator?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: err whats an iterator?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Finds all of the matches of that type and acts on them.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: for (i=0,i++,i<n), do
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: hmm
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: anyone here using Perl?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Using in what sense?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: well, my script was previously running, but now it is just opening in notepad
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Notepad? You running this on Windows?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: ActivePErl?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did you rename the script so it has the wrong extension?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: just using notepad++
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I checked the extension, and it's pl
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: notepad++ is the shiznit
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right-click, open with, always open with
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Lemme guess - when you went to edit the script, you accidentally reset file associations for .pl to notepad++
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you can just re-save the file. "xxxxx.pl"
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I re-saved it, I also even created a brand new one... still opens in notepad
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you must use quotes around the name otherwise it will save it as xxxxx.pl.txt
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or just tell windows to never hide extensions
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: but if you use dir in a dos window, it would show xxx.pl.txt right?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: should
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if notepad opens it by default it's a good bet it's a .txt file.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: but the dos window shows it as xxx.pl 
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you are using the default hide extentions it will show as xxxxx
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it will show the entire name if you use dir in dos console.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Hmm, doesn't that truncate to 8.3 format?
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: and dos shows it as xxxxxx.pl
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sorry, if you are hiding extensions xxxx.pl.txt will show up as xxxx.pl if you "see" an extention when extentions are being hidden, you are in trouble.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pleiades, right click it, go to open with, to choose default program
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: click the checkbox, then navigate to activeperl
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the problem with that, Abe, is that from then on it will open .txt files with the perl editor.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: well, still opening in notepad instead of executing :)
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: notepad++ that is
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: and file extensions look file
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: go into notepad++ nad change the language and save the file.
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: also use Save As so you can strip the extra extension
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: how do I stop the "trigger function "finish" not found or had a previous error." message?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: recompile script
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: just going to error again
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: I get this message on the mud
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: highlighted? a different coloured background?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: yup
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: it's the client.  mush i'm guessing
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yeah, you would have to reload the plugin that gave the error in the first place
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: yup... I will restart
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Foxie Oxymoron Tech: brb
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: any idea why a script i run on mushclient, in windows 7 would cause the program to crash, when it works fine in windows xp?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: is it trying to write to some file?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just a speedwalk script
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it also seems to need something to be initialized, if i let mush run for a while, it works fine
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: interesting, but i have no clue
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: some kind of system service or process?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: if its a text file, set owner permissions to 'everyone'?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: io don't know why it would need something like that
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: permissions could be it
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hang on, i'll try crash again and get the error report
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: system service seems really unlikely
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: urgh, it's not crashing anymore when i need it, heh
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'm running mushclient from dropbox, i think that might be causing issues
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: just like working in tech support
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: its intimidated by tech
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: might be dropbox related
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: indeed
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: anyone use that?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: if its dropbox, then for sure it cant write some file to teh location because of permissions
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: or read
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: would that generate a crash though?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: yah... i had that when i tried to run a copy of zmud off of a cd
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: dropbox should have full read-write access though, i think
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: because i run it from dropbox on my other comp, and it has no issues
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: is your username same on that comp as teh one with dropbox?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: account to log in to dropbox? no
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: should i try set it to run as administrator?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: just to be sure, what you're refering to as dropbox is a network shared folder, not some ftp program called dropbox?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: dropbox is an online service, that comes with a service that will sync a particular folder with a server
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: files are stored locally though
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: as in, with no internet connection i would still be able to access all the files in the folder as usual
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: hmm
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: try giving it maximum possible permissions and see if that fixes it for now.. at least then we'd know its a permissions issue rather than somethign else
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if i could reproduce it more reliably it would probably be helpful, heh
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: possibly =)
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is there any setting/where should i set its rights permanently?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: serverside for the whole client folder
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: morning someone is using bast runto script? 
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: okay, i think i see a problem, it doesn't seem to have other variables saved here..
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: does mush save world variables elsewhere?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: sorries, zmud only here
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: all the session variables should be save in the world file, Redryn.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: saved*
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: alright, i tried moving my dropbox folder to my documents, read that mush + win7 had issues with write access and stuff, maybe that was causing problems
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, MyDocuments is a good place.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: simple triggers are really useful for menial things like that, like drinking when hungry and so on
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Anybody have a good way to resize an Aard Mush miniwindow when it's wider than the screen?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Edit the .lua for it.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: doesn't resetaard or something like that work also?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: is there an issue with Kildclient that causes text to disappear? asking on behalf of someone
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: what can i use for wildcards and for variables to make triggers in MUSHClient plz?  my mushclient help won't launch
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: wildcard is '*'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: or .* if you make regexp trigger. And variables are expanded with @w
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I mean @
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: are they stored with (%1) like zmud?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: without the () - just %1
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: then called with just 
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: at?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: don't mind the @, I probably didn't completely understand what you wanted and made a guess
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: ok hmm what is a regexp (i'm guessing regular expression) trigger? what does it mean?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Fluffy) NeoFluffy Tech: yes regexp mean regular expression, its a way to match strings dynamically, in zmud and mushclient they will be used for triggers mostly, you should read up on LUA regexps or whatever your language of choice is
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: sounds too complicated for me... lol
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: so if i just wanted to make a trigger that when i get disarmed picks up and equips my weapon, what would it look like?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zylias * DISARMS you and sends your %1 flying! - get  /n equip   ?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: would that work?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: er sec that didnt go right
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zylias * DISARMS you and sends your %1 flying! - get : /n equip :  ?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zylias * DISARMS you and sends your %1 flying! - get atsymbolw /n equip atsymbolw  ?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: %1 can't be in the match text
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zylias * DISARMS you and sends your %1 flying! - get @w /n equip @w  ?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: what should it be to collect the variable?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: do i have the @w and %1 the wrong way around?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: match: "* DISARMS you and sends your * flying!" -> "get %2"... except when the weapon is named 'a stick' this won't work either, because "get a" won't get it. Might try "get all" as the send text
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: ok i have it as get all at the moment, but i didn't want to pick up other people's items if i can help it, eg if they get disarmed too
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: you're best off setting a variable when you wield your weapon, then trigger ^* DISARMS you   and get the weapon by using the saved variable and then wielding it
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: for wielding it too, or picking up only the disarmed weapon, I know of no other way that to have variable with the weapon keywords, and use "get '@primary_weapon'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: what does %1 mean?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qaddosh Tech: %1 references target
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: norton does it save the variable forever, including over logouts and watever?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: does in zmud, yes
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: curses, foiled by ;... I meant "get '@primary_weapon';wield '@primary_weapon'"
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: im using mush so i dont know if its the same
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: yes, world variables are saved over logouts, and client restarts
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: ok so how to i tell it to make a world variable that collects what weapon i instead of a normal wildcard variable that only works within the trigger?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: ok so how to i tell it to make a world variable that collects what weapon i am wielding and saves it to use in all triggers, instead of a normal wildcard variable that only works within the trigger?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: make alias: match "wield *", Send: 'SetVariable("primary_weapon", "%1")
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Huan grumbles and growls. You wonder what's wrong...
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: make alias: match "wield *", Send: 'SetVariable("primary_weapon", "%1"); Send("wield '%1'")', Send to: script. Or close to that. I don't script in LUA too much, there may be minor syntax errors
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: thanks huan i'll try it now
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: well i don't even know how to test that, i'm hopeless when it comes to client stuff... think i'm going to just give up and go with the get all version until i'm on only aard weaps...
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: ty for trying to help though guys
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: anyone know a quick fix for docking in zmud 7
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: lol, acer are such tossers
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: you ask them for a url for a download of the original bios to replace the faulty one they gave me, and they want to charge me $80 to have it 'diagnosed' instead
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: trouble is, i'd imagine all laptop manufacturers are as crap these days
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: any gmcp-literate people on?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: Tech if you add a xxx.dll as a reference in a C# project, how do you call the methods included in the particular .dll? Anyone know?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: sorry, nope
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: using <namespaceName> on top of a cs file
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: nothing, it's accessible if you have the class, you don't have to be pclass
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: and <namespaceName>.<methodName> if you want to specify it explicitely
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: err, namespace.class.method
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: Anyone know how i can add sound to an AVI movie file?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: AVI is just the container, isn't it? You'd need something that can edit whatever's in the container.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: well i took a video of something and i want to add a voiceover to it
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: i just dunno OW
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: er... HOW even...
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: meh, stupid dell power block died
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: meh...windows movie maker don't help cause it don't recognize AVI
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What'd you make the movie with?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: my camera
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did your camera come with software to edit such things?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: it doesn't work on Windows7 :P
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Does it install? Try running it in XP compatibility mode
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: it's a Vivitar old model camera i got like 4 years ago
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: i'll try it again...maybe i missed soemthing
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: hmm...i'll see if it worked
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: the camera didn't come with anything for that...
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: anyone got any suggestions otherwise?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: this seems like it'll be harder than i thought :P
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I haven't done any video edits, so I don't have any go-to software packages to try :/
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: windows movie maker
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: Windows movie maker doesn't take AVI videos
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: i tried it already
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: does too
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: when i tried it, it said "it can't use the AVI file"
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: do you have the lates codecs
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: means it's an avi file with an unusual codec
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: meh
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: can you play the video?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: try downloaded k-lite
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: it has a player plus bunches of codecs
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: the video works fine in Windows Media Player
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: windows movie maker won't open it
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: i wonder if i can get WMP to resave it somehow...
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: so this k-lite is basically a giant codec bundle?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: "Quest time: 1294693409s" hmm, took awhile.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jhav goes, "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Only 41 years.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: why is it that long?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: no clue, mudlet/MAG issue
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I think it's because I went LD during the quest?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, lost the start time variable, so used default, start of epoch
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: is there a way of telling whether the mud received a command over gmcp?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: other than it working
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: on testport you can use the debugs
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: debug.json will barf back everything that you send to aard
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that'd be nice, but i can't turn it on
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not even on testport?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not unless you can send the command in the initial negotiation
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: none of the after-started gmcp commands work
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you can't turn on/off any of the options?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: shame there's no normal-band command you can use to turn em on
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: then at least i could have it echo everything back it receives
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and the slightly upsetting thing is, that without a means of debugging it, i'm s.o.o.k
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: err sool
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: WOO HOO!! I found a way to make it work
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think there might be a way on testport to get it to debug, I'll check around in a bit...gotta run outta the office for the moment though
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mardus Tech: anyone using Microsoft NAV?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: who?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mardus Tech: nods.. who..
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i use their security software...
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mardus Tech: no answers as always.. off again
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: is NAV something that expands on Project?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: for some reason 'auction set 0' is still not allowing me to see items being put on auction past a certain range below my lvl...
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: is there a command I'm still supposed to use?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: it's both "set" and "sethigh" that has this problem for me
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: anyone know how to figure out what a program id is?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: in what context?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: which operating system, and what are you trying to do?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: Win Vista 64 Bit, trying to work with cMUDs #COM feature
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: cackle
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: ctrl+alt+delete -> task manager -> view -> select columns -> process ID (?)
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: the first thing you need to know is the COM interface.  Without that, trying to use COM to hack into a different program is going to be a waste of everyone's time
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: hmmm, well I have a com interface built into it, but perhaps I have done it wrong.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: thanks for the advice
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: oh, this is a self-written app.  Since this is basically the old zmud COM plugin stuff, you can try using that page in the ZMud Support section of the forums.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: just remember to replace "zmud" with "cmud".
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i found the com object route not the best
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i usually find more reasonable ways of doing things than dealing with COM
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: zmud's comb object handling is primitive and easily broken
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: his "thing" is to recreate the hp/mana/move/align window as seen in the newest aardmush.  While CMud can get very close, it still can't do the sliderbar that's used for alignment.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: my mush has bars
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: rite...uhh have fun doing that
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i actually was really interested in adding 2 things next to the bars i have..namely how many pots i ahve left
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: so what's the second thing?  Or did you not want to know how many pots you have left for one of the 3 things?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: nono one for health one for mana
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: no movement pot?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: heh, mine does that just fine
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: haha please, who uses those?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Le do, lo  Shakia freaks out, screaming "Oh My Bot!"
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: why doesnt my minimap in the new MUSH work if tags are off? :(
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because it shouldn't work with tags off
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the answer is that it's way too difficult to detect the map data when there are no tags surrounding it.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tags exist specifically to make scripting easier or possible...
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: well alright, i can live with a little extra text i s'pose
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: turn off any tags you don't have scripts using, rather than turning tags off flat out
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't have to live with any extra text
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the scripts which use tags also gag the tags from your sight...nothing to see
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unplugged Abradix Tech: alright, all fixed up now. thanks guys :D
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: In c++, is there a way to have an ifstream start reading from the top of a file again without closing and reopening it?
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: it's safer to buffer
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: seekg?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Hmmm.  The health bars plugin seems to have become convinced that my tnl is 100.  Wonder how that happened.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: 100%?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: I'm having trouble with sending a note to the screen after a speedwalk run in MUSH.  I set an alias to execute "/world.note blah" but it recalls instead of processing the script...
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: can / be disabled in aard?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: if / reaches aard, it's too late
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: are you sure that the alias is set to "Send to: Execute" ?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Huan slaps himself, really strange ...
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: send to SCRIPT of course
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: sending to script causes it to process immediately
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: I need it to run after the speedwalk
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: doesn't that mean the trigger part is wrong?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: SW to area ; note to user
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Hmmm?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: Note is mushclient scripting function, use "run <speedwalk>
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: Note is mushclient scripting function, use "run <speedwalk>; echo something"
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: echo is mud command and will get queued after the speedwalk ends
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Hmmm... An elegant solution.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: anyone know offhand what's the mushclient function to prompt a user to enter some info?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: inputbox in scripting
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: alright, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Heh I could give more info, but it's based on whatever language you're using.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no worries, i just needed to find the name of the function to try find the documentation :p
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: heh, i found a bug with Firefox yesterday
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: (Smacks Oracle out of their boots with a big sign reading "Rubbish!")
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: heh, can tell it's coffee-break time at work, my remote desktop link suddenly went pbbbbbtt
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: my work this morning would be going quicker if sql developer didn't keep locking up every time i tried to paste 2 lines of code into the worksheet
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: grr
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's that done, took the only option I had left with Acer, which was the Nuclear one
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: customer services department with threats of legal action
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: useless bunch of wankers
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: "Dear Customer: In the last monthly cycle, your Internet account used 103.47 GB. Thats well above the typical monthly usage of up to 43.0 GB"
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fuzzy Madcatz says 'Oh yay' sarcastically, imitating Ivar at his best. (Worst?)
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: comcast? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Nah, Suddenlink.  Luckily, they don't have a cap, they just like to inform you when you're using a lot.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Le do, lo  Shakia nogs.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: my isp don't cap mine.... though they do happily charge
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: I blame the Steam holiday sale.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: quid per 2gb above 50 per month
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: my isp magically started putting a cap on my D/L, (100mb line), calling them up just always claims high service load. cap gets unleased at like 2am every morn
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Le do, lo  Shakia shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: still paying the same amount
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: almost every isp in the UK has either data caps, rate limiting, or other fair usage policies
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Had satellite before this, when I lived in the boondocks.  7.5GB rolling 30-day cap.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: I like not having to worry about it anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donola Oladon Tech: For all who don't know, SparkFun free day is Thursday!!!
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: woot!!
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Donola Oladon is really really excited.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: woot!!
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: what is a sparkfun free day?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donola Oladon Tech: Look it up! It's where SparkFun has a Free Day!
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: like christmas only better! some orders are free!
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Donola Oladon rapidly nods twice at Boy Named Sue, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donola Oladon Tech: I really like what they're doing with it this year though!
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donola Oladon Tech: I barely missed getting my order in last year. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: i havent seen. will have to check it out and figure out what ill be ordering
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donola Oladon Tech: You actually don't have to order ON free day this year
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: never heard of it. I'm so out of the loop. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donola Oladon Tech: You've got 60 days to use the credit
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donola Oladon Tech: They're also doing $150,000 this year instead of $100,000
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Donola Oladon drools all over herself -- making a TERRIBLE mess!
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: why when using zmud does are there all types of weird characters before any channel?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: its tags
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: can i turn it off or something?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: type tags off if your not using them for scripts and such
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: thanks ... triggers and aliases will still work hey?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: triggers and aliases are client side... you'll have to reconfigure those yourself
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: are scripts available on the net? or do you have to write them yourself?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: both
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: does anyone know a good client for apple?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: or macintosh I guess I should say
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: is there a client for mac that has windows for the map and stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I believe that Mudlet does.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: mac is now *nix based, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I do not know,I'm trying to find out for a friend
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, MacOSX is BSD-based
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: Blue Screen of Death?  Why? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for people that like GUIs, Mudlet runs natively on the Mac, and MUSHclient will run fine in parallels, boot camp, wine, crossover, fusion, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for more geeky users, tintin++ and tinyfugue both run natively on the Mac
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: hey, geeky users can run guis :)
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they can, sure...but they give up some geek cred :P
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: at least I run it on Linux, does that give me back some of my cred?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: not really, geek is the new cool so everyone's doing it.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: all geeky users run windows xp
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I'm not a linux fan...BSD ftw
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: running *nix just makes you a 'trendy'
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: My first MUD was run over dialup to a remote FreeBSD server on a 9600 baud modem using a 386 laptop. Beat that. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: even if I have been doing since 1995?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, trendy...for a 45 year old trend
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You bonk Tigernuts on the head for being such a moron.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: shh
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: punchcards.  In our day, real-time took days to happen.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: linux = trendy, unix = old...linux != unix
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: Linux = UNIX for kiddies who want to seem innovative. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i was connecting to muds using a branch and some string
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: of course, nowadays you can just buy the unix moniker, so some linux distros are allowed to use the name :(
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: how about 1975 over a paper terminal at 110 baud to ma bell?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: I did my first programming using punch cards. Not fun.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: only if you made a typo
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's sad that people born in the 90s are starting to be legal to drink alcohol in the US now :P
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: not only if you made a typo, believe me :)
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and kids born in 1998 in the UK are on the streets drinking alcahol, too
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: kindest thing to do is shoot the parents
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, that's why I put in the "legal" bit ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I would like to learn a second mud client. Is there one that maybe is best for combat?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what's your first?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: MUSH
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Should that be all I need?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: clients are generally not built for any other specific purpose than to connect to a server.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: i personaly perfer zmud/cmud
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what do you mean, one that is best for combat?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I do like how well MUSH can be changed for my monitor size
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm not sure I was curious if there is one built for like PK
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: hehe, that's not a mush feature.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: most mud clients all do pretty much exactly the same thing...
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: not sure what you mean by 'built' for pk
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: yeah I can easily organize the windows for my 52 inch and change everything to look the best
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Playing Aard on a 52" !
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: that is pimp
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: yeah I do everything on it
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you should upgrade to a smartphone and get rid of that brick. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: try mxit, i heard its the best ^^
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: would have been cool if you said it was a 52" at CES...  but on your tv.. lots of people do that.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: ipad even
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i used to be happy with my old phillips 24" CRT that weighed half a ton and broke the chest of draws it used to sit on...
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://xkcd.com/732/
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visteon Tech: im on a smartphone now XD
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: speaking of cell phone... does anyone know who the maintainer/creator of the blowtorch mud client for android is?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visteon Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: daniel block
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I wish I could watch a movie with 6 people on my cellphone
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lrn2google
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visteon Tech: creator of blowtorch plays aard
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: anyways I have a bad back and play in a bean bag since my car wreck. Never thought about getting a monitor this big before that
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visteon Tech: lul he plays aard thats why torch has mccp lol
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Any Mudlet MAG users on? New install, not displaying anything in Status Area or Extra Info.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: porbebly a tag problem, but not really ussing mudlet
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: probably even
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Probably right, thanks.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I've seen some people talk about plugins. Where can I get an idea of what these can be?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/Installation
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: your imagination, really
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: check the comli site, Ndymion
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I just went to the site Riddim posted
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: awesome so I can have important information show up in a second window like the com log
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: like when I lose or gain an effect
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: i installed verify http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/verify#Installation and when I loaded the client up my map and mapper no longer work
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Getting a runtime error in Bast's Plugin.  Anyone know what could be causing it? I've tried reloading miniwin_stats  Plugin: miniwin_stats (called from world: Aardwolf) Function/Sub: OnPluginBroadcast called by Plugin miniwin_stats  C:\Program Files\MUSHclient-AardVersion\lua\chardb.lua:46: 14
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: can I change the background on the map to always be the same color?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I guess i can just delete the pictures eh
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Linux command to tell # of lines on a file?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Izocinoc Tech: wc -l <file>
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I dislike "security" screws.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah me too, I've never looked, but I'd guess they are easily bought online no??
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Torx with a nipple in the middle?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah, you can get bits for that pretty easily.  But they're meant to stop casual thieves, nothing more.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: in cmud I can use // to prevent send info into mud, in mush, how can I do it?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: so, there's a lot of static coming out from my speakers when I plug them into my computer, anyone knows why and how I can eliminate this static noise?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Actual static?  Or just a hum?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Any nearby magnets?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: hmm
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: dont think there are any magnets
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Have you tried plugging the speakers into something else?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: like noise, annoying noise
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: besides inside the speakers themselves, lol
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: my headphones work fine
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: did you plug them into the right jack?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: yes of course.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Ok.  Have you plugged them into anyting else?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I did
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: same noise?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is it continuous, or does it only happen when something plays?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: no noise when I plug it into my BlackBerry or iPhone and iPods
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: If you mute your sound card, does it stop?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: it happens the moment I plug in it, whether or not I'm playiong anything
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: nope it doesnt.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Tried a different cable?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I'll need to go buy cables then
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you are probably connecting to the wrong jack.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: duh. it's the right jack
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I did that once and turned my speakers into a microphone
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: but there isn't noise when I plug into my other audio devices
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Try a shielded cable, you may be picking up interference if the cable is long, looped, or improperly shielded.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: hmm, but why wouldnt the same noise be present when I plug into other devices?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: assuming there is interference?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: because you don't run the cable by your computer when the other devices are hooked up I think.  And the newer devices may be using a different voltage.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: hmmm
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: You running a heavy system?  Power source over 500 watts?  Beefy graphics card?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: meh no idea
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: its a macbook pro
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: wiggle the jack?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: seriously my system has like 6 jacks behind, and the static thing does sound like what happens when i plug the speakers into the wrong jack...
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: ahh was thinking desktop.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: If it's a laptop, you may not be grounded poperly.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: nod, but the noise isnt there when I plug it into my other laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: and they're both side by side.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: improper grounding is common in laptops and causes the signal to drift like crazy.  Are your speakers powered from the laptop?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: nope, from a power source, its a 2.1
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: always happens, or just started happening lately ?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: just started last night
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: My hunch is still the cable, since it's only doing it with the highest power device you've listed.  If you've got access to a desktop or a different computer, it would be nice to test them on that though.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I tested it on a different laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: no problems 
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Probably the jack then.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Got another set of speakers to plug in?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: nope, dont have another set.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: got headphones and earphones though, and they all work fine.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You said you use headphones
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Headphones are such low power that it won't pick up the distortion.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: is there a mobile phone or any such device nearby?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Hook any other appliances or electrical equipment in the house lately ?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Those are in the same jack?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: and yes, Metria
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Could even be your neighbors, is your digital Cable working ?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: maybe, Dugrant
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: tried moving to another location?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: digital cable?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: anything wireless you receive you can check ?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Is it raining outside?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: no its not
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: I would bet your input jack got bent and is making contact improperly.  Since speakers are much more sensitive than headphones (usually) they'll pick up noise that your headphones aren't sensitive enough to amplify.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Do you have stairs in your house?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: oh, when I eject and switch off my external harddrives, it works...
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I just switched off everything but the macbook pro and the speakers
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: ......
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth is so tempted to ask if the refrigator is running, but holds back.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Do those stairs leead up or down?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: so you know that the external harddisks is the problem....
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: real question is, what did you eat for lunch !
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: hat's a grounding problem with the harddisk.  It's causing your speaker ground to drift.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: how do I ground it?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you copy a big file to the external drive, does the noise from the speaker change? I used to have a seat of speakers I could listen to my hard drive accesses with :/
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: don't know its a stack
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: never tried.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: thats... weird...
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: just moved to a new house, so was just unpacking and hooking things up past couple of days
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: It still under warranty, in all seriuosness, I've heard good things about hte genius bar.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: when I went to genuis bar, they told me that the "kernel panic" messages in the logs were just some normal status reporting messages, and nothing important.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: the genius bar has been great to me :)
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they may have been...depends on what the rest of the message is
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: they happend at the exact same times that I was telling them that my system was crashing
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: got a brand new 17" when I took in my alum 17" for a service
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Yeah, those are normal status reporting messages when your system is crashing   :p
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: and when I brought in my 15" I got a new battery for free
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but if it doesn't happen without the drive stack plugged in, I'd look to the drive stack and not the MBP
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Sneak gives you a nod, saying, "OK".
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle in his presence.
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and when you say stack, it's a multi-bay array, like a drobo box or something?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can play around with how close the cable comes to the array and its associated cables
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: ok, thanks abelinc, dugrant, kirua, and all :)
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but yeah, it's probably putting out a lot of noisy EMI
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: What do you have to tweak to be able to run MUSH in Win7?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: nothing
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nothing if you don't have it in program files
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Give it admin abilites
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you do have it in program files, then you'd have to tweak UAC or run as admin
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: so basically put it anywhever but in program files?
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Just throw it on your desktop
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, and of course fiendish's is just a zip, so it wouldn't be in program files without you taking the time to put it there
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Mine's in games
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can still put a shortcut into your start->programs if you want
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: gotcha, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: which is the file in the aardwolf client which automatically turns on certain tags?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: does zmud support gmcp?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: not zmud, cmud release 3.33
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: though, you could conceivably negotiate the protocol manually.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: anyone know were i can get a map.db for cmud for aardwolf
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you walk your own map, Rastlin. Someone might sell you there's, I supppose.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Rastiln*
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Anyone have a MUSH trigger for getting your Aard wep disarmed ?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: all axes, except 1 dagger ><
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: called Bracers of Iron Grip
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: to poor, need a trigger
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: ^(.*) DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon\!$
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: then for the trigger itself is there way to do axe or dagger depending on what got disarmed ?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Make sure to set regex.  I always forget to do that when I paste stuff into a trigger.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Well, the disarm message doesn't tell you the weapon.  You'll just have to set a variable or some such.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: maybe ill have it try both
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: soon ima ditch the dagger, i hate having dual daggers
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: axe = best friend
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Thanks Jhav
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: so, ^(.*)   You put for a random text, before you triggered text starts ?  
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: on MUSH
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you realize that the * says, there has to be at least 1.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: wait, at least zero, ok.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: ^(.*) DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon\!$     that looks right ?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I am not familiar with native MUSH trigger syntax, but it looks about right.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but in this case you really don't need to capture anything since you are only interested in recovering the weapon.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: thats a regular expression so you need to make sure you have the regexp box checked
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: True, you don't need the capture group.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: so could I just put:     DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: * at the begining
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Nice, thanks all
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: probably best to use the $ to anchor to end of line
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: ^
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ^.+ DISARMS you....$
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: 8=D DISARMS you...
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: lol... now you guys confused me ><
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: just take the parens out of your original trigger and end the trigger with a $.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: need a / at the end before the $ ?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: keep \!$ at the end. the dollar sign essentially matches a newline
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the "$" is an anchor character, if you escape it it becames text.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: The \ is to escape the !
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: you need the exclamation and what jhav said
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: ok so... ^* DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon\!$    
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: he doesn' need to escape the bang.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: so instead..  * DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon\!$       ?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Thinking on it,  "* DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon!" should work with regex unchecked.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if he's using regex, thatis.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: how do I check if im using it ?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: It's simply a checkbox in the trigger dialog, along the right hand side.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: true jhav, but the anchors to beginning and end of line make for a better trigger.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Nice, thanks all. Appreciate it.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: mine has been firing all throughout this discussion 
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: I think non-regex triggers assume the anchors in Mush.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: the syntax "^*" makes no sense in regexp btw
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: But I could be wrong.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: regex triggers are faster than normal triggers, simply because they are stored as is, rather than translated into regex.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: anyone know why my tags keep getting turned off when i log out and back in
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: mine has been firing all throughout this discussion 
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: na but when i log out and back in they are off and i have to turn them back on
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right, Toki. It should be ^.+
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: right now I have,  ^(.*) DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon\!$   with reg ex on
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: That'll work well enough.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: ok thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: change it to ^.+, you don't need a capture field.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: the capture field is the ( )   ?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jhav nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the * in regex is a quantifier, so that expression makes no sense.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, waitk if you use .* I guess it will work, it jus looks odd :)
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: it makes sense. match anything zero or more times
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, but with ., normally one ues .+
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: isnt .+ 1 or more times?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: (.+?)
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Really?  I tend to see people using * unless they actually need +.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I use /s* but .+
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: \s*, I mean.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but I know .* will work, it just looks odd to me.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: ill pull 10 mobs see if it works ^^
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Could just use echo.  That is why it is there, after all.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: works well, thanks again all
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: funny, no trigger got disarmed all the time, got the trigger... now they dont even dare try !
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: same reason I carry an umbrella everywhere :)
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knot Fibo Tech: Anyone know how to keep text from appearing directly after my prompt? especially when fighting or entering commands?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: end prompt in %c
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you'll find your scripts will work better after that :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knot Fibo Tech: I have that on there right after 'quest time' hm
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knot Fibo Tech: my prompt is currently %h/%Hhp   %N   %P       %Xtnl    %g   %q    %d %c       maybe its that space?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knot Fibo Tech: ah, need to set bprompt to, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, bprompt is totally separate
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: still get the stupid runto plugin error in bastmush using 4.71
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: I reported it on his google page
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I don't get any errors like that.. and i'm using the same version you are
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: you had the same problem?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: its really weird ... did everything he said ... got all the files ... only thing i found weird is that all my plugins are blocked according to windows 7
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: when right clicking on properties
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: are you running it inside your user folder?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: yes why?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: if i can't have it there, then where?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: because, you need to have read/write access
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: runto plugin error? 
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: no, that's where it needs to be
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: my runto plugin?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: running as admin should provide plenty of read write access
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: nope basts
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I don't run programs in admin unless it's absolutely necessary
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: broadcast_runto?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: linux has taught me that
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Swalec, have you had anyone report your autohunt as checking once and then "freezing"?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: yes tahts the one
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: I don't get viruses, so *shrug*
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yep, Tealos, it's normally that the right tags are not switched on
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I can't guarentee this for sure -- I need to update autohunt for GMCP and the latest release
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I would have got around to it by now, but I have some pressing RL issues
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: swalec you know anything bout the broadcast runto error?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I presume "freezing" you mean not iterating rather than crashing the client into a hang?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: correct
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: no, fraid no Neocypher, I normally use my own runto plugin so don't use the mud runto that often
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: yours available for dl?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: Tealos check that you have tags on -- think its rname, and exits that autohunt uses
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: finger swalec
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: mine is a shortest path thing, so might be more complex than you want
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: thnks swalec
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: hmmm I have brief 1 and autoexits enabled
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: autohunt uses tags -- everything else should be fine. I want to use GMCP but can't at the mo, as autohunt uses the fact that a door is closed
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: kk just turned on those tags
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: test in a sec
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: right, RL intrudes, send me a note or email if it's still broken
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: do you have the telops plug installed?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: What is handling these tags?  plugin?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: dammit ... now it lists every item in my inventory every time i add or remove from my satchel of sanctity
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: it lists all the items? or does it spam your prompt
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: lists all items ... but i fixed that by removing broadcast_invmon plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: hmm.. never had that problem before, but I was going to tell you to do what you just did anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: is it supposed to give you an output similar to this everytime you get/put something in acontainer?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: {invmon}5,283199815,283199804,-1
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: type invmon
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: That's some extra tags the MUD sends, some clients can be made to do nifty things with those. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I just don't like it because it spams my prompt for some reason
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what are your favorite serif fonts that work well on the web?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: it's more trouble to convert to day/hour/min/sec
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overfiend Tech: anyone know how to set up something to announce my pups in group chat so i can see how fast they are, in mushclient, my clannie says its too tough to do
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Not too tough to do, i'm just lazy, there's a diff :P
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: Is there a current spellup script for Aard? I'm using one I got from Gammon.co.au, but it has bugs and Mr. Gammon himself admits it may be out of date. Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: mine is still usable, I still use it. But it was pretty user-unfriendly to begin with
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: is anyone around good with physics ?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: sure
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2 + 2 = Zaxell Tech: somebody probably is.  Ask and find out.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: I've got a weight on a spring, that's oscillating in vertical axis. I got all formulas for its amplitude, in a given period of time, and for its  period of damped oscillations. How can I calculate its distance from a starting point at any given time ?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: what's your calculus background?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: e=mc^2. There ya go.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: in fact, bring it to tells and I shall be able to assist you further without Mr Einstein being a smartass
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zade THWAPS Zun for being a moron.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: It was just a joke. I am happy to help if I can, but if you notice, he didn't actually ask a question.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Yea, "How can I calculate its distance from a starting point at any given time ?" isn't a question
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: Apologies, that didn't show up in my window for some reason.
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: handy, Acer have no complaints procedure
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone know Acer's complaints dept contact email?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VelvetLies Tech: any genius know how I can be able to connect from the school network using a client? I can't connect with Atlantis, Cantrip or Mudwalker and java telnet is...well, java telnet
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: try port 23 instead of 4000-4010
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: or vice versa
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VelvetLies Tech: totally worked :P thank you
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: sorry on a really slow connection 
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why is it so damned hard to make a dos-bootable usb stick these days?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: blame microsoft
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: the bios of the computer must be able to read the usb without an up and running software OS
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it can, but you can't get a decent usb boot disk maker for love nor money
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: another failure
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'm going to have to pray it can see a usb floppy drive
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope, it's all shagged
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 116k for a flash updater? what did they write it in, lard?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they've rather helpfully make a flash update and flash file that don't actually fit on a disk
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tenlorn slams out a quick rimshot at Tigernuts's comment.  He's hot tonight! 
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: grr
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone know if you can force vista installer to not detect vga drivers on installing?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: can someone help me with one alias with variables?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: wich client ?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: need more info... What variable, what client, what alias, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: I have this Execute('get 156271260 ' .. GetVariable('bageq2')) -- <The Path of Enlightenment> (Feet, 141) for first line so if I need to add more lines what need to do?, is in mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Just hit enter and do the next one
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: like this one?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: nods, just hit enter and then do the next one with whatever your next item is
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Line separation in mush you just hit enter
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: doen't works
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: What's the error it gives?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Also, did you change the send to from 'world' to 'script'?
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: Compile error World: Aardwolf Immediate execution [string "Alias: "]:2: ')' expected near 'bageq2'
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: escape teh ()s in the variable
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: it worked for first one line, but I added for the lines and it doesn't worked
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: I did same for all lines
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Would anyone know why my trigger for disarm isin't working for MUSHclient?  I have "DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon!" for a trigger, and then in the output area "wield blade"
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: are you using an aard weapon or other?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Its a reflaged aard dagger
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: and blade is one of its keywords?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Yeah, thats why I type manually to equip it when I get disarmed
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Does the trigger fire at all?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: No
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: my next point would be the message you have doesn't sound like the text it would give when a mob actually disarms you, sounds more like a power grip message or they tried but failed?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Doesn't the actual disarm message say something like DISARMS you and sends your weapon flying!
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: yup and it names the weapon
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: if you don't have an aardweapon
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Aardweapons can't hit the ground so they get that message
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I took it right out of combat
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: A dark elf warrior DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon!
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: keep procing my trigger !
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: you need a * at the start of the line to match the wildcard
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: otherwise its an incomplete line in mush
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Even if I don't use a variable for that?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: yes because it wont match a partial line
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: ^(.*) DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon\!$         and make sure Reg Ex is clicked.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: for mine i just used the disarm text with * at the start and end (for weapon part coz wasnt an aard weap)  and it worked
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I didn't follow that exactly
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: ok what you have, add * in front
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas is agreeing with that Zylias person again...
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: then try it out
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: It says Line 1 Error if I do that, lol
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: That will work. Just sub out the mobname with *
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you don't need a capture group, the text is irrelevant.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok, can someone send the disarm line to see if it worked?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: just use ech
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: just use echo
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: echo <blah> DISARMS you etc etc etc
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Well, it half worked, Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: half?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: which half?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: is that send to world or command?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: You didn't write the output correctly?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: send to world
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I had send to command enabled instead of world
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: doesn't matter, unless you've got something that needs to be parsed by the command line
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Now it works :)  Thanks for the help
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: np
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Oh wait, yeah, send to world, or Execute.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: i have You get 11 gold coins from and You receive 1 gold from so far anyone know of anyother outputs for recieveing money
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: list
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: mt
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: The Administrator tells you 'As a reward, I am giving you 8 quest points and 2580 gold.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: thnks
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: also You sell turkey feet to Peto, the bard hall cook for 12 gold.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: oh ya what about auction
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: also Ayla gives you 1 gold coins for dandelion fluff......
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: you need to do a lot more research....
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: i can see that
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Oh, there are a billion different ways to get gold.  Sacrifice, winning gquests, campaigns, imm grants, etc etc etc
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: You sell 3 * a wooden spear to Peto, the bard hall cook for 135 gold.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: whats a imm grant ?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Imms can give (or take) gold.  Though I don't think I've seen them actually do so ever, it's in the same message as when you are granted TP (for winning trivia).
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: where do I sign up for a 3billion gold grant :p
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i need the grants to do research about the effect of free money on people
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Kirua: I'll help you with your grant if I can be a subject.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: my research into what items one would buy with free money is much more important!
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: anyone know a program that would let me resync the audio on a movie?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nowoo Tech: I used Adobe Premiere for video editing, if you haven't checked into that yet it probably wouldn't be a bad place to start.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: GAH! Ads that autoplay movies or flash animations with sound and/or music! They make me instantly try to shut them down. Seriously, do these ads make ANYONE more likely to check them out? They just invoke rage within me, not an overwhelming and sudden urge for purchase.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boba Felt Tech: a common theme
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: is there any aard client for the htc touch pro smartphone?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: yes, it's called using the phone to buy a pc
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: alright. here's a MUSHclient question. trying to make a trigger that changes my prompt color to indicate when i do not have protgood up. the problem is that it either doubles up the prompt when it fires or puts the prompts + whatever is in my command line at the time into the new prompt. both are pretty fail behavior. can anyone reproduce this or offer a solution?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: if it matters, the prompt has a carriage return % c at the end
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: -
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SexyButt Shanon Tech: If I have an amount such as 100,000,000, and I want to take out the commas, so it is like 100000000 instead of 100,000,000 how do I do that in cmud... currently I am using a loop, that and the inside of the loop loooks like this gdonated = 23456789 add to my count
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SexyButt Shanon Tech: it seems to work with numbers like 123,456,789, but for soem reason with the 0's it only adds 1 zero in every set of 3
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SexyButt Shanon Tech: so the end result is 10000, instead of 100000000
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SexyButt Shanon Tech: if I
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SexyButt Shanon Tech: If I have an amount such as 100,000,000, and I want to take out the commas, so it is like 100000000 instead of 100,000,000 how do I do that in cmud... currently I am using a loop, that and the inside of the loop loooks like this gdonated = %concat(@gdonated, %word(@tempstring, @Mycount, ",")) add to my count
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SexyButt Shanon Tech: sorry didn't notice it sent all my variables and such the first time
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: %replace(@gdonated,",","")
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Does anybody know if you can get free teethering on the iphone if you have the old data plan and jailbreak it?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donola Oladon Tech: Teething on your iPhone is probably a bad idea.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Why?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: read ola's statement slowly ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: oh :P
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Coup de Calamar Tech: I lol'd :P
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Crunch crunch.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Donola Oladon goes, 'Nom nom nom'.  What's she eating?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: So, does anybody know/has an idea?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: C= Amigan falls down laughing.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: there are some free options to tether with a jailbreak, but i wasnt very satisfied with any of them
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: So the answer is, you can but it sucks?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: i ended up spending the one time 30 charge for pdanet and it works awesome
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: You hear a crunching sound.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: that was over nine months ago. there may be better free options noe
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I see, I havent broken my phone, but I am trying to see if it would be worth the trouble
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: did anyone get anything from the sparkfun free day?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Anyone know of a website that can convert an *.xps to a *.pdf?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: well, do you have Office?  
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: cometdocs might
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I have Office, but they do not where I work.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Can't you just Save As PDF ?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: MS has a free add on that lets you save as pdf
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: www.cometdocs.com
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I delete the stupid xps printer whenever I see it :P
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: http://geekswithblogs.net/kit/archive/2005/10/31/58601.aspx
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: lol http://xps2pdf.org/
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, dunno that I'd necessarily trust a tool that says "upload your file to us, we'll take care of it for you"
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Seriously, MS-Word should be able to save it as a PDF naturally.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Parzifal Tech: it does
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Parzifal Tech: go to save as
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Parzifal Tech: change the filetype to pdf
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: tech *nodnod parzif
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Bleh, tech fail. but yeah.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The file is already a xps. I am trying to convert it to a pdf.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: ^^ Save as... :P
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Slavanas: xps viewer does not have that option.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Oh, I thought you said you had office?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Slavanas: I do, but Word does not open it.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: OpenOffice cannot even open it.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: anyone on using tt on Linux?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zaryna raises her hand.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: What term do you use with it?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: I use gnome, and gnome-terminal works fine.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: Actually, I'm using ssh now, so I don't really care what terminal the host is using :P
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: gnome-terminal -> ssh -> host -> screen -> tt is my setup.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: Why do you ask?
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I just opened another door in usability but still have an ugly font.  I was using gnome-terminal.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I switched to aterm so I could take over the numpad.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: No more n-enter, e-enter...all macro'ed.  I still have 9 more keys.  The font is bugging me though.  It was simple in gnome-term.  But, I can find the same one :/
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: can't find
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Just to share, aterm also give me all the function keys back.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: Hm, OK. I don't really do much with the function keys and my laptop doesn't have a numpad, so those are moot points for me :)
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: But I might get around to an alternative terminal at some point.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: My pinky was complaining about all the adventuring :)
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zaryna smiles happily.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'll find it eventually.  Basically, I need to find out what monospace in gnome terminal points to.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zaryna Tech: Why not check what's in /usr/share/fonts? (If you're using Ubuntu.)
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It takes the defs like -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-.....  I have tried xlsfonts | grep -i mono with nothing that looks like what I get in gnome-terminal.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Oh well, for now I can live with what I have gotten.  It's much better than where I started :)
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I can run nethack style now - very happy.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: After playing with it, I don't even care about the font.  I can move around 10x as fast.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: What I'm using isn't in the internal tt docs btw.  It's on the website manual under keypad.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: anyone use Adium here?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Hey - anyone have any idea how to access a local lua variable by reference?  e.g., I have a string with a currently defined local variable name, and would like to programatically access that variable's value.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Well, if it is local, by definition you canot access it outside the scope it is defined in.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Assume that it's in scope
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: I think loadstring is what you are looking for.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I considered that, but I wasn't sure how to do it - would I loadstring("newvar=oldvar")?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: "scope" and "range" - and the semantic fun of explaining those two terms and their differences
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: if oldvar is in scope, and you want to use it elsewhere, you could just 'newvar=oldvar' and reference newvar, I think.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: I think what you could do in Lua is something like (loadstring("return " .. varname))() to get at the value.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: This probably is not the best way, but I'm entirely unfamiliar with the language :P
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I'll give it a shot, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: It is like the most fundamentally basic language ever, I would be surprised if anything were that convoluted. Yes, you have to implement things that more complicated languages have, but there is nothing very obfuscated about Lua.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Maybe provide more definition on what you are trying to do?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I have triggers that put GMCP data into various local variables, and want to access those variables' values for debugging purposes.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I was hoping to access those values via a "getvar" alias that takes a variable name
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: OIC Why not just low tech it and echo out the local variable value?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: That's the thing - how do I access the local variable when all I have is the name of the variable in a string?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: what client?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: MUSHclient, in a self-generated plugin written in lua
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: put debug echo statements in the triggers where the local variables are in scope.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: And why not just access the gmcp table values directly?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I want a snapshot, though.  I could always set gmcpdebug = 1 and see what's getting set when it's set, but I want to see what it is *now*
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: One possible option is to put them into world variables (via SetVariable) instead of local variables.  They can be retrieved by name with GetVariable then.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yeah - I looked at that as well, but dealing with world variables is less than ideal - I'd have to serialize/deserialize every time I access them.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, while debugging you can cope with that, after you have the code working you can clean it up.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Or just dont use local. Doesn't Mush let you access all Lua variables? Mudlet has all variables accessible everywhere.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Regardless of whether they are local or global, the problem of accessing a variable with only a string containing its name remains :)
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I'm a perl programmer - I get crazy nervous when I use global variables...:-P
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: OK Jhav, you got me there. Ick.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Wrestled that in tf until I wanted to give up.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Or escape, hahaha
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aerial Tech: can anyone help me on what client to download to play aard on a hts touch pro smartphone?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is it just me, or does ctrl-f work oddly in the aardmush client
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i can only find the first instance of whatever i'm looking for with ctrl-f in aard, it's annoying
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea, same
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: same even in normal mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is there any getinfo function to return the height of the command input bar?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: for mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: I know there's a function to set it....
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but any way to find the height?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i've looked through getinfo documentation but don't seem to see it :/
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bizarro Sephiroth Tech: wow  blowtorch mud client for android is a great mobile mud client. anyone have one they like better?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnidlohnad Tech: is there a moon script for tt++?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: who can tell me why having the battery plugged in to an acer laptop would cause the keyboard and mouse to die
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: a short?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: apparently it's a common thing, so unlikely a short
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zelog Tech: Fn + F7?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: nope, it's considerably more serious than that
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: you can't even install with the battery in
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: So...aside from the obvious "the battery is bad" answer, why might a new laptop battery not be recognized by said laptop?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Not seated properly
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: faulty charging circuit, faulty charger
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Wrong battery for that laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Just got a new charger too, not recognized with either new or old.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Definitely right battery for said laptop.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Unless the battery is lying to me.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tealos points at everyone and screams, "LIES! LIIIIIIIIIIIIES!"
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Not seated properly...as in, not in the holes?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Is it just software that's telling you it's not recognized, or does it cut off when you unplug it?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: I don't know about it cutting off, but it won't turn on if the charger isn't plugged in.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Which leads me to beleive it isn't just the software.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Memnarch Tech: could it need charging?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: tried a different battery?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Memnarch Tech: brand new battery?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Well, I put it in the computer and charged it over night for like 12 hours last night.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Although apparently, it didn't actually charge.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Memnarch Tech: hmmm
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: The old battery (that came with the laptop) works just fine.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Except it's like 3 years old and only holds a charge for about 20 minutes.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: almost certainly a faulty battery then, you would think
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: As far as I can tell, they are the exact same model.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: send it back!
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: most newer laptops have a battery page in their bios, if you go into the bios and it doesn't recognize the battery, then you can try to update the bios, and if that doesn't work, I would guess the battery is defective
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: "As far as you can tell"?  Is there a part number on it?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Does it have a thing on the battery itself where you can push a button to see current charge?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: They both have "type TK330" on them
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Leinei:  Yeah, it shows four out of five little green dots.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Dude! You've got a Dell.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: It's true.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: An Inspiron?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: XPS M1530
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I'd try seeing if there's a bios upgrade available.  Seems to be the consensus that google gives, at least.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Related question: Is there any harm in connecting a battery while the laptop is running? :p
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Nope
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I never take mine out.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's how I typically swap to my spare battery when onsite...keep it running, plug into power for a sec, take out the current battery, plop in the fresh one, unplug from power & resume being cord-free
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Ah, there is a bios upgrade, maybe this will fix my issue.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Do the release notes for the BIOS upgrade mention anything about batteries?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: I probably should have read that.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Documentation is for nerds 
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: I'm just going to stick it in and see what happens.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: (sigh) I can't even count the number of times I've said that, and gotten my face slapped.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: No such luck
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hard to count to 0? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I could count to zero, but what do I start from?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: +infinity
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Is your AC adapter recognized in the BIOS?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: I think so...how would I check that, though?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You can usually check that in the BIOS settings, it'll tell you what adapter is connected, along with battery info.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Right right, but how do I get to the bios settings?  Is that during boot?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yes
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Yes Accora
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: If it doesn't recognize your AC adapter, then it's a problem with the computer, not the battery.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Well, occasionally, it used to not recognize my old AC adapter.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zelog Tech: probably f10 when starting laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: It would still work and charge just fine.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: But it would be like, "Strike F1 to ignore this" and problem solved :p
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: dell laptops use 'intelligent' ac adaptors, so that's probably a factor
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Nods, it'll still work, but if it's listed as "unknown device" or whatever in the BIOS, then there's something wrong
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: I just got a new replacement AC adapter.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Should I use the old one?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: OEM or knockoff adapter?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: I have no problems with my dells with other adapters.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: is it a dell branded one?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: try your old adaptor, if it's recognised and the battery charges, mystery solved
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: The new one is not Dell branded.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: on xp where can i check my psu?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and it's not recognised?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you  can't, vamp
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Dunno, haven't gotten that far yet.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Mine is not branded dell either, but works, I got from Wal Mart.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: The problem is not necessarily that the battery isn't charging, it's that the computer doesn't recognize that there is a battery attached to it.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: have you removed the battery from it?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if your charger isn't recognised, the battery won't be charging
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It isn't that the battery isn't charging, the battery isn't detected period.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Nods, best bet is to see if BIOS recognizes your adapter
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Take battery out, plug in charger, see if system fires up.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: It doesn't, Saatai.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: No, it does.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: I'm 95% sure the charger is fine.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: won't harm to check
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: The laptop will run with the charger plugged in, and no battery.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Oh, nvm, read that as the other way around
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Then the battery will charge yes.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: And that is for either charger, the Dell one and the new one.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Chargers are pretty much universal now.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Not neccesarily.  Your adapter can still work, and the BIOS still not recognize it (which probably indicates a motherboard problem)
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they aren't, saatai
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: I'll worry about the battery charging after I can get the damn machine to acknowlwedge that I shoved a battery into it.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they absolutely aren't
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Where I am basically...
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: The old battery is recognized, but is about to die.  The new battery isn't recognized.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I still say check to see if your bios recognizes the adapter.  Then you'll know where the problem lies.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: I feel like it's probably not a motherboard problem, unless the first battery had a special romantic relationship with the motherboard or something.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: I'm trying :p
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: dell bios should tell you whether the batter and the charger are recognised
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Well my Wal Mart one does all five of my laptops just fine.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: then you happen to have five laptops for which the charger supports
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: pat yourself on the back and have a banana
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: I love bannanas yes
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Komrad Kessel Tech: may I have a banana?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Battery showing as not recognized in the bios
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what you have to remember is that modern laptops are junk and built to break just outside warranty
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: AC Adapter shows 90 W
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: then that battery is shagged
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: replacei t
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: God damn :p
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Compaq, Dell, Toshiba.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Amazon better give me my money back :p
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: If AC adapter shows 90 watts, it's probably a bad batter
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you return it within 14 days, sure
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: y
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: DId you order it from Amazon, or one of the resellers THROUGH amazon?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: I think Accora adapter is bad.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yarno Tech: hello, anyone knows how to assign hotkeys to commands
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yarno Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: client?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yarno Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zelog Tech: the name of the client you are using
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the boy's a fool
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: is it larger than a breadbox?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yarno Tech: MUSHclient
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: we should really start impressing the extreme importance of helpfiles on that Gammon fellow.  Apparently he doesn't know how to do it right.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: or you can start programming your own , improved, client
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: with today's audience?  No thanks. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i always thought mush has great documentation...
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: most people don't know what rtfm means
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or how to do it
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: so why do so many people go elsewhere for help (and not just for Mush, either)?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hell, i use cmud and i generally find more useful information on the mush forums than on the zuggsoft ones :P
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: aye that is true
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: with regards to what, Myrkul?  Zuggsoft.com isn't exactly an Aardwolf repository, and the only things CMud has in common with Mush is XML, Regex and LUA, and pretty much neither side can understand the implementations of any of the three.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: lots of things, mainly lua
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: people's lack of understanding is not zugg nor gammon's fault
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and people often ask for help converting their zmud scripts to mush, on the mush forums
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so i steal those :P
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: easy: don't, either write new ones or don't change clients
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well...they didn't :P
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I find using other people's stuff tends to annoy me at some point between halfway finished and done, causing me to scrap the rewrite and initiate the write.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'm too lazy to write my own stuff :P
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: http://imgur.com/gallery/XVxS0 nerd humor
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Speaking of nerd humor, why do programmers exchange gifts on Halloween?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: OCT 31 = DEC 25
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: hehehe
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Birdbrain Metria enthusiastically high-fives Laughing Lacrimosa!
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: nice
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miasmatic Tech: does anyone know how to hide the title bars of the windows in cmud? I kinda forgot:P
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: right click -> hide?
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miasmatic Tech: that kinda hides the whole window not the title bar:P
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miasmatic Tech: i remember it was deceptively simple! but I just cant remember where to click ):
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: does anyone know the syntax or whatever to make an if trigger in mushclient? im used to zmud...switched recently
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: like in zmud its eval(
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: in lua, if <condition> then <what to do if condition is true> else <what to do if condition is false> end
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and eval in zmud...has nothing to do with if :P
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: okay thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: could someone reccommend a windows-compatible application for giving a simple graph output of how much internet download/upload each application is using in a session?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: i have no clue.. some kind of protocol analyser maybe
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: try wireshark
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: that's what i was thinking
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: trying Net Limiter 3 atm, probably has enough on it
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: wireshark is the cadillac :)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: wireshark is nice for sniffing. but you get overloaded without filters
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: nogs, i just wanted running tallies (or charts of what app has downloaded what this session)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: custom logging < graphing, which is what he kinda wanted, not sift through some log file
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i can already see that messenger rogs are evil
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I think windows 7 can do that inside the resource monitor
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: if you have windows 7
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: vbox ftw
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: in most electrical appliances, what are those gree boards? Do they act as some sort of large chips, or a motherboard of some sort?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: gree boards?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: that is a circuit board..
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: like a green boards
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's where all the control circuitry is mounted
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: yeah....that was my next thought
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: control circuitry? those black sort cylindrical objects?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: capacitors
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: those black cylindrical objects are capacitors
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: electroytic to be exact
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: why would their presence surprise you?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: ah! mmm was kinda hard trying to find out what theyre called on google
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: don't they teach that in school anymore?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: my school didn't tech that.. lol
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: was your school rubbish?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: yup
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: nogs, and they wonder why the world is going to the dogs
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: farming community..
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: even more reason to teach it
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: nope.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: technology is more practical outdoor. which sucks like hell. im not tech in that way
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: so what happens when you need to fix some basic electronics on your tractor?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I dunno.. lol
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: all my school cared about was ag classes and the FFA
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: thought those things are exclusive to electric appliances.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: don't you guys have some form of state curriculum?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: yeah, but the enrollment in those classes was so small that they couldn't have them
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: what do electoytic's do?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: basic electronics is done as part of yr6-yr8 physics
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or don't they teach elementary science in a farming community?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: same thing, but a little more powerful than a solid state
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or didn't they teach wikipedia either ? :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: yeah thanks fark...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: lol, I didn't like my school
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: not for the address....the remark
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: the reason you don't see many electrolytic capacitors in consumer electronics these days is because they are small enough and low-power enough to be surface mounted instead
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: are they present in pc's too?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: sorry
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: most def.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: "how do they work", or "what are they used for" wouldn't have roused my sarcasm
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: "what is it" is a little bit like "how do i tied my shoelaces" or "how do i boil an egg?" or "how do i use a microwave?"
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: tie*
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: diodes are cooler
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what's broken about it
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: what's broken?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: to vampfox re his tv decoder
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: ahh.. didn't see that
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: its not switching on. well atleast the numbers dont show up.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: no lights or anything?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: does it plug directly into the mains, or is there some form of 9 or 12v transformer that you plug into like a laptop or phone charger?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: the first question you ask is always: is it receiving power?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: (hence the question)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: no, its not receiving power
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: well i shocked when i touched the side of the decoder after i pluged it in
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: so the answer to my question is probably: No transformer, it plugs directly into the mains electric
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: and i have a white cable that connects straight from the satelite i have to the decoder
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that isn't the only cable though
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: how old is the box and are you under contract from your satellite provider?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: is the device turned on (if there is an on-off) or turned to the proper voltage (if there is a voltage selector, say 115|220)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: you said it shocked you when you plugged it in?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: when equipment is years old, dust collects, also the cable wire may become loose or undone at the cable plug
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: first thing i'd try is contact the satellite provider and ask them for a free replacement
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lywryn nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: yeah was little stronger than a normal static shock
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: given that they give the boxes away free when you subscribe
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: if you got shocked, that means that you turned into the ground
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: also means it's incorrectly earthed
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: check whether mice or pets were gnawing at any of the wires or cables or cords -- mice like the taste of telephone wire cable
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: a lot of electronic won't even turn on if they detect a ground fault
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: telephone wire carries a voltage, cable likely does the same
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: inadequate to cause a shock like that
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: cable does not
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: 90v unidirectional runs through telephone wires
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the voltage is largely irrelevant 
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: enough to cause a slight shock
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: coaxial is a baseband wire.. no room to carry surrent
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: current
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the shock he experienced was almost certainly mains-related
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: well the box i have doesnt really need a subscription or anything...a guys gave it to me...and i fitted the antennae. He adjusted it and....i got all the channels
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: looked up a full replacement cost yet?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: so it's a digital TV box?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: sorry i mean satelite
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: oh.. 
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: how do you get satellite without a subscription?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: there are free satellite channels
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: satellite tv channel access without a subscription - which country is that
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: huh.. did not know that
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: pretty much every country
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: DBS is generally subscription, other sattelites aren't
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: its all arabic...for my dad.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: thought so :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: now youre all gonna go OH...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nah, some of us were switched on enough to think outside of their bubble
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: tried looking for a replacement on ebay yet?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: so is there anyway i can fix it?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yes, but probably not econimcallty
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lywryn nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: such things aren't designed to be repaired, they're designed to be replaced
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: most electronics are like that
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yup
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: even if you could find which board the fault lay on, chances are you'd never find a replacement
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: but if you know the knowledge and the skill, anything can be repaired
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: mine uses spell list, runs a priority queue
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the manufacturers certainly wouldn't sell you onwe
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: can train spells, spellup, skills, has different dwell times
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: oops mischan
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: mmmm...dont you have skills lol....
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: but if you had 2 broken units of the same type, your could probably make 1 working one
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: you.. geex with these typos
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: as i was saying
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, if you were trained in low level circuit repair, had an oscilloscope and a reflow oven, you could repair it
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: any one of those things would cost more than multiple replacements off ebay
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: as would paying someone to repair it
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: something caused the equipment to go defective: (spilt) liquids, small-animals, insects, dust, humidity, physical-trauma (dropping), somebody-inept-peeking-inside, somebody-pulling-on-damaging-the-cords, electric-spikes, temperature-spikes (overheating), electronic-failure-from-age
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: anything with embedded chip packages, I don't even attempt to repair
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: now, if only you had to pay to dispose of the old one
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: ah...so theres no way to fix an electronic appliance without other equipments?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which imho, is what people should have to do
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: no, vampfox, neither has there really ever been, unless it's a very simple piece of electronics or a very obvious problem
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lywryn is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: a visiting neighbour relative swapping components
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (or trial and error)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: dropping metal objects inside the box through the small openings
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: poking around inside the box through the small openings with a screwdriver or long probe
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: Anyway thanks alot guys! Atleast i know these now. Dont need to stress about it anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: just trying the new client -- I get a lua error on the first line of my custom script, which is "module( ..., package.seeall) "
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: anyone have an idea?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Why the hell did it take me this long to set my default editor to Notepad++?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Liraela Tech: are there any other clients I can play aardwolf, besides mxit?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: mushclient is the best
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: nogs, a pc with mush zmud or cmud
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Many, from a phone, not as many though.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: none of the phone clients do it justice
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Depending on the carrier/phone MidpSSH might work for you?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Liraela Tech: I forgot to say for my phone
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: get a netbook with a 3g chip?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GreyDragon Tech: i downloaded the client for my phone, what are the aardwolf settings?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: aardmud.org port 23.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Not familar with the client so not sure exactly where to enter that.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GreyDragon Tech: ok, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: has anyone had problems/success with the new mush under wine?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: using it right now, but I have an older version of wine
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I had trouble at one update a while ago and stopped updating
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I'm updating all my stuff on windows -- hoping that I don't find it all hosed when I get to linux
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Oh, I have had no trouble with that
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: ah, well, got to try it sometime
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: here goes GMCP for the first time!
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You are going to love it!!!
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: 0h 20
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: sure -- I'm glad I encapsulated all my statmon type calls
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: getting a nil error from gmcpval used inside a script -- am I missing something?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: New to mush, how can I make a 'window' (1,2,3,4..10) into a miniwindow to be dragged on the main canvas?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zelog Tech: in mushclient, how do you delay a trigger for a priod of time?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: need to make a wait function
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You can disable it, and then enable it with DoAfterSpecial()
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Hmm, I'm looking through the aardwolf macros. What's the point of "north --> action replace --> north" 
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: Bacon!
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zelog Tech: im not yet that advanced with it, surpirsed the trigger worked
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: oh dear, client upgrade, everything is broken
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: very strange -- in the past if you did "echo {hello}" then you could capture this a trigger match at "{hello}" -- now I have to use "*{hello}"
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: where on earth could that have come from?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GreyDragon Tech: whats the test port settings?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Save a Rezit Tech: any computer programmers awake?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec snores loudly
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Save a Rezit Tech: what's the best way to compare 5 values and find the highest?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Does Basic and Apple II count?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: depends what language you're using...most languages have a max function
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Save a Rezit Tech: if a > b then if a > c then if a > d then?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: create sixth variable with lowest possible value, compare each of the 5 agains it
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Save a Rezit Tech: lua
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I'd print them all out and cut the numbers into peices and sort them by hand.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Best as in fastest? Or just something that works?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Save a Rezit Tech: most efficient
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: cut a several piece of spaghetti to the length of the values, hold them in your hand
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: then bang it on the table
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: for lua, write them to a table and sort the table.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: math.min(num1, num2, num3, num4, num5)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: then measure the longest piece of spaghetti -- this is the largest value
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Save a Rezit Tech: so if i'm looking for the highest, math.max(a, b, c, d, e) ?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: right :)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Save a Rezit Tech: so make that a 6th variable?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Save a Rezit Tech: then pull the first value?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oh, did you ask for max?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: most efficient depends on the language, and if you worry about efficiency of such class of problems, you will never produce anything. Leave it to the compiler/interpreter. If lua has math.max with variable number of arguments, I'd use that, because it's readable and maintainable
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: sorry :P
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, you can do local maxnumber = math.max(a,b,c,d,e)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: swalec I just read it your spaghetti idea in tech -h, I love it!!!
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: huan, that's not true
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: but for something like mudding uhh and an operation on 5 things, the effects will be rather minimal...most libraries are at least adequate in terms of timing
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah just use the build int function, I thought this was an academic question you were asking.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: built in.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i'd absolutely use the built in thing for that
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: ok, correction, you will spend tons of time worrying about something that will have no noticeable impact, and is best left to library/compiler/interpreter writers
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: One thing I've noticed with built in function in LUA though.  Just fair warning.  If you you use text keys and not the numeric keys that are default, it doesn't sort.  Anyone noticed this?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: Mendaloth, sadly I stole the spaghetti sort idea -- you'll notice through that it's a constant time sort which would otherwise seem impossible
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Boiling BloodBath Tech: How do u take a screen shot of say your email on a PC with windows 7?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: alt + prtscrn then paste into ms paint 
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Boiling BloodBath Tech: ahhh thanks bro.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: you might have to do some cropping
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: has the Execute function in mush changed? 
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it doesn't seem to cause a new line now
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: hours of reading later and we have a function and hello world :)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: Anyone here use a macbook to MUD?  I need a client suggestion.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: mudlet
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or tf or tt++
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: does mushclient work on mac?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not natively
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: mudlet is native tho
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: Does that make a difference?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: Oh, you have to use an emulator, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Naer: MUSHclient runs under Wine 1.0 I believe on an Apple.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: Does mudlet allow the use of triggers?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir slaps Wittle Naer.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: O:
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: It's so I can idle :P
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: that's the only trigger I've ever used. XD
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir gasps as he realizes what Wittle Naer did.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: I try to open an .exe and it says it cannot be run in dos mode.  Wtf does that mean? :P  I loath apple products...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: Nobody here uses a mac?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: macs can't open .exe files...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: .exe is a windows thing
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Can Mac's still run a Virtual PC using http://www.macwindows.com/emulator.html?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: How the fuck did mac ever become popular?  What a stupid OS.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: Screw this.  Taking back this macbook and getting a PC.  Screw you, apple.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Macs are now basically PCs running a Unix derivative.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellSpawn Nasus Tech: Anyone know if you can manually setup the G15 keyboard to display stats ect.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you could, but it's really much less useful than a stats gauge script in your client...there's a reason that "heads up displays" are used in jets to give the info you need at your fingertips...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: glancing down at your keyboard to see stats vs shifting your eyes a few inches away
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Does anyone have a good website to look for plugins? Currently I'm looking for a way to make a canvas with some buttons, left click = execute, right click = edit string to send.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: err mushclient :)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mushclient.com is a good one :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: check out the new aard mushclient package...it has some miniwindows set up with right-click functionality, so you can see how fiendish did them
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Yeah I did find one there, created 3 buttons, that's a start. Was hoping someone had already made something even better :)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: I think I'm running the latest build (beta something)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: at least I feel a little less lost, and can succesfully change some premade stuff :)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: Anyone here?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger shakes his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Strange. You could swear I CAN HAZ Cheezburger was here just a second ago. Now there's just Venomangel and a new, weird looking floor lamp.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: i've got a techy problem
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hmm. You could swear Venomangel has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: on
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: What could be wrong if both my auction Set and Sethigh is 0 .. and some of the items being auctions is still invisible?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: anyone?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're not using the original aardmush client are you? (the one from 2-3 years ago)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: i'm using the one i downloaded from the Aard site
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you type "auction sethigh", what does it say?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: downloaded around the 10th September 2010 i think .. .. and the message when typing auction sethigh: You do not currently have an upper limit set for auction levels. You do not currently have a lower limit set for auction levels.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I use You currently see items up to 200 levels below you. You currently see items up to 291 levels above you.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: of course
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: but isn't removing the limits supposed to actually remove limits?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: removing limits didn't exist as an option when I set them :P
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: auction set never really needed to be set, but auction sethigh used to be necessary for those with keepall
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: does your aardmush have miniwindows or world windows?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: mini windows
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: hmm, i just set both of mine to 0 and I missed auction 106
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: a glitch?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: auction sethigh 291, then bugs post
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: does this mean i should download the newer MUSHclient from the Aard site?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I don't know, what version of mushclient is your aardmush?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: Version 4.33
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, you need to upgrade, the new aardmushclient is 4.71
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, you don't have miniwindows if your mush is 4.33
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: miniwindows came out in 4.34
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: 1 window with miniwindows moving inside
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, 0 miniwindows...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: miniwindows are different from the windows you're seeing
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: miniwindows don't have the borders around them
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: okay, then i'll download that quick and see if the problem still persists
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and the channel capture script that came with the 4.33 version of aardmush (which was 3 years ago) had a glitch that wouldn't let you see auctions of plain white items
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but there is an issue with the in-game sethigh, as bast double-checked, so you'll just need to type "auction sethigh 291" to fix your immediate issue
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but you'll notice a world of improvements in the latest
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: Holy wow .. it does look better
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, that's what we mean by miniwindows ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no titlebar on each window, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: i see a map recorder thingy too or whatever it's called
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: type "mapper help" to see what you can do with it
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, built-in map, prepopulated with aylor and continents iirc
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: why new areas use the same roomid numbers that the areas they replaced? I know if doesn't take long, but given the number of redesigned areas coming along one needs to do a lot of purging from room databases...:)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: anything that hampers room databases is OK in my book
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: same
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: maybe we'll have more fair gqs :P
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: good database design makes this easy :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: i don't mind losing against anyone who plays them fair, but people with room and mob databases simply ruin it for me
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and the reason that they do it is that it would break other things if they didn't
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: why new areas use the same roomid numbers that the areas they replaced? I know if doesn't take long, but given the number of redesigned areas coming along one needs to do a lot of purging from room databases...:)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: why new areas use the same roomid numbers that the areas they replaced? I know if doesn't take long, but given the number of redesigned areas coming along one needs to do a lot of purging from room databases...:)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Yeah, I wish those would be considered bots and punished as such.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: agreed
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Will never happen, but it would be nice.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if lasher wanted to disallow room databases he wouldn't be packaging the new aardmush with one :P
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: wouldn't say that, the whole thing is becoming somewhat problematic
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: I agree. But they won't :P And never seen even a hint that my complains in that department are taken seriously in any way
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can never happen...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: well that effects the mapper...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: anyway, not sure if there is a command in the mushmapper, however
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: these are the 2 queries: DELETE FROM exits WHERE fromuid IN (SELECT uid FROM rooms WHERE area='goblinpath')
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: DELETE FROM rooms WHERE area='goblinpath'
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: "mapper purgezone goblinpath"
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: to be done in this order...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: nice :)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno about the mush mapper, but even better is to add an 'updated' bit column, such that you can keep your area database and just updated the changed rooms...the layout, exits, etc will be intact, and enough rooms don't change significantly that still having the old room is helpful
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: still not sure why a new area can't have new id numbering...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: any structural reason?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: no I-beam.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: at any rate, replacement areas are under a few rules, such as all items in the old area must be converted to items in the new area, including items which players already possess...
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so yes, there are structural reasons
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: I see
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A piece of Sakata Tech: lol how do I turn on basts quest window again?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Soft music, candlelight.. Cooking dinner wouldn't hurt.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You peer intently at Bast.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A piece of Sakata Tech: it keeps dissapearing and I like to see the timer.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: mquest Quest toggle
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: use my miniwin_tabbar plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: in cmud is there a way to download a package from the library to a different directory then what it does?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: in cmud -.-
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I don't understand your question.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: I have tried enabling the timer from plugins but it does not show up, what am I doing wrong?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: it shows up in the plugin list but it is vbscript, does that make a difference?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the Aardwolf_Tick_Timer.xml file should show as lua, not vbscript
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stormwind Tech: This it is spoken, thus it is law.
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think you enable "timers", not "Aardwolf_Tick_Timer"
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: since that file is a vbscript plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: how would I enable it then. I have the one that comes across the screen as TICK but I was looking for the counter like we used to have
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you go to file -> plugins and click add...you want to choose Aardwolf_Tick_Timer.xml, not timer.xml
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: ok, I will take a look for it
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: woo hoo, thank you
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: how do i force gmcp to resend char.base?
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: prot gmcp sendchar
T3/r2/2011-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: protocol gmcp sendchar
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: anyone else have a problem when activing "group 1" for cmud that inbetween rounds of combat they're getting 1-4 extra blank lines?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: i'm on tf with that problem. i assumed it was my script and have been combing through to see if i could find the issue
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i turned off any script recieving the gmcp.group data and i'm still getting blank space.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i knew it wasn't my script cause i had no 'output' yet just gmcp to variable
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: same issue on tt++
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: def report it. it's annoying :p
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Very
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: but on a side ntoe any thoughts on the "nicest" way to display group info to cmud. status window used and not sure a normal #window will play the part well...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ya'll can report it, if not I will after all the double ends.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Solved it for now :P
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: #gag gmcp?  hehe.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: turned off gmcp.group :P
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: well yah that'll fix the blank linage
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I even tried adding #line gag's, and it still wasn't getting the blank lines
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: internally is the same area.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: rofl i = cheezburger through escobar.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: wonder what you get id you do #add cheezburger 1....
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: can cheezburger be indexed?  ok i'm done.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Eh?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: note from abelinc
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: resaponding yer bug report.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Was engrossed in pupping, lost track of the channel
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you mean your bot went crazy
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: (srun
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: bot spam + extra blank lines from gmcp.group... can' tread
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger snickers softly.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so is everything working as expected?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: is the leader of the group always Index 1 in gmcp.group or will I always be Index 1?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Is it possible for a CD-rom to get too cold that it gets messed up and can't be read?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: If there's condensation on the lens or disk
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: No condensation.. Just noticed about a week ago that my disc has a bit of discoloration.. Originally thought it was from cold, but it hasn't gone away..
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Looks kind of like there's moisture on the inside.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: hey
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: does anyone know anything about pocketputty client?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: what os is that for?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: for pocket pc
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Windows CE?? Ugh.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: no clue here, sorry
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: oh hell,not sure about that,but i cant get it to work
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: get an android phone, blowtorch works great 
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: thats the best advice i can give...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: whats an android phone?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: a phone that runs android
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: whats android?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: an os for smartphones, gonna have to google for more info than that.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: oh okay thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: do i just google android os for smartphone?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: that should do it
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes, but tech channel is probably better
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: uh mis
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: heh
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon snickers with Redryn about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GreyDragon Tech: Hi, i need some help with my mobile client. aard works kinda ok but other mods wont even start. it might be my settings. Is there anything i need to type at Http Proxy
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GreyDragon Tech: muds not mods
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: You're on mxit?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: hey guys, this may be a simple question but i urgently need help with it. where on the OS windows XP can i find out wether or not my pc has a graphics card, and if so how big it is?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: system settings
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GreyDragon Tech: yes, im still trying to fix my client
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: haha!
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: What client GreyDragon?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: how big is it? lol
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: thats what she said!
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Vampfox, rclick on My Computer and go to properties, I believe.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GreyDragon Tech: The mobile client midpSSH
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Vampfox: if you're looking on a screen, you have a graphics card. What Salv said for details.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: if you don't know how to/if you have a gfx card, I doubt it's worth mentioning anyhow :D
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I think he wants to know if he had a dedicated video card
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: Ah
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas nods at Lywryn.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: GreyDragon, don't know it, unfortunately.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Lywryn: by which you mean something beyond anything built into the motherboard?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: well i did go into properties but i dont see anything about a graphics card. I only see RAM And cpu
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Morinon, yes.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The One Qaddosh Tech: integrated or standalone? look on the back of your pc and see if your monitor connector is parallel with usb connectors and vice versa
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: from there, device manager
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: device manager
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: ah too slow
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: What the guy with the funny name said.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: a video card is also called a display adapter
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Then display adaptor
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or rather, the hardware tab first
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GreyDragon Tech: i have the settings, maybe i just need to set them. Is there anything i need to type at HTTPProxy?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The One Qaddosh Tech: or go to run, type 'devmgmt.msc'
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: GreyDragon, I doubt there's many here who are familiar with that client, and it's even trickier since it's concerning another MUD which we won't be familiar with.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Best if you check out the other MUDs website/instructions, and any help forums they have, if any.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GreyDragon Tech: i also doesnt work with aard that well, i have to type commands twice before they work.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: so does this tell me what type graphics card it is? Namely a 512MB or a 1GIG Ect?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: well it saids SiS Mirage Graphics. It doesnt say at what speed it runs
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: doesn't need to
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that tells you everything you need to know
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: sounds like an onboard.. you can look up the stats online
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: so i would i know if its compatible with a game for example?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: modern games? no, it won't be
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anything older than than 2001 you'd scrape by though
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: what does SiS mean?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: manufacturer name
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: silicon integrated systems
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: So that doesnt tell me anything about how well it runs?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: just told you, chances are it won't run anything except the oldest or most basic of games
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's a graphics card designed for office/internet use
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Google the make and model, that'll tell you what exactly it is, if you want the technical details.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: how do you know that?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: was my job for 12 years?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: what you want to look for is the clock speed, the shader model (if is supports shaders), and the vram size
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: So mirage graphics is what made you decide that?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: sis mirage graphics is not a recognised gaming card, chances are it won't play most games, or if it does, it'll be a poor experience
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Vampfox, graphics on computers are generally handled one of two ways, it has a dedicated graphics card, which has it's own RAM, or it uses onboard graphics, which share memory with the processor. 
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a share-memory card, meaning it sponges off your main RAM, it's DX-capable, its running at 250 MHz
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: err DX9-capable
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's on a laptop, i'm guessing?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WoW, UT, etc will not be playable
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: your GFX-card sucks ass, ms the bottomline
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas pats Crnogorac on his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: nownow, play nice...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The One Qaddosh Tech: if it's a sharemem chipset, i'm assuming it's not standalone?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: you won't be able to play any newer game in a decent resolution
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you want to play 3d games, buy a console, not a cheap laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: well the onboard gfx-card in my laptop sucks at least as much ass
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: which is why I have a stationary 
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: my laptop's video card uses it's own ram, but can also allocate system memory it is has to
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The One Qaddosh Tech: try adjusting the shadow vram size in the bios until you get the optimal setting, if your system has 512 megs of RAM, i don't recommend setting it higher than 128
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (or the more sensible suggestion: give up)
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: can it run crysis?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: I really wouldn't go messing about with BIOS if you're not even confident what your graphics card is...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: no its actually a crappy pc my dad bought off a guys for 100USD and tried upgrading it with another 500USD and this is what it is today....the crappyest rip off in his life. i told him he shouldnt have bought it. 
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The One Qaddosh Tech: then pay me, and i'll do it for you :p
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why would you pay $100 for a pc and then spend $500 upgrading it? why not just pay $600 for a new pc?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: to be fair, a working laptop for 100 usd isn't a ripoff
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: trying to upgrade it, is where the mistake was made
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: It'll do the job for games up to about 10 years ago. Anything after that, you can try your luck, with some tinkering you may be able to run them at lower quality, and possibly some slowdown... :P
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: never upgrade a laptop, unless it's something you can do yourself, ram/hdd etc
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas rapidly nods twice at Crnogorac, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Wasn't a laptop, but still...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: sounds like you need to smack your dad around the head with the crowbar of common sense
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: haha
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lywryn nods at Crnogorac.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: it's something I imagine my father would do as well, being that he has no knowledge of pc's, assuming he wouldn't ask anyone first
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: my dad doesnt know anything about pc'S
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: upgrading memory is the most effective way to increase your computer's performance
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you don't know anything about them, you wouldn't try and buy an old one then upgrade it
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: nod, and cheapest
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you'd get some advice first
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: you're assuming
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: not necesarilly true
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: assuming what, common sense?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: commmon sense isn't that common, perhaps he figured he was better off upgrading than buying a new system
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if i don't know about something, i'd do research before setting fire to my cash
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or is that because i'm a tightarse?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: me too
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I do research on practically everything i buy, haha
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I bought a computer from someone for $10 that has an old P3 in it.  I doubled it's memory, put gentoo linux on it, and now it's my networks router
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: I sometimes research myself into a standstill though... ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, so i think we can stop defending the indefensible :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: i know. but my dad trusted this guy. he was an idiot. (the guy)
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: that's called being taken advantage of
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or being easily led
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or making a mistake
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: well, not sure - I don't know what upgrades he paid for
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: To be fair, if you haven't kept up with computer development in the last 10-15 years or so, that was the thing to do, up to about the early 90s... upgrade.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Nowadays, computers are more throwaway, unfortunately'
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: don't go sentimental on us
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: ditto most appliances
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: the the thing cant even run a freaken NDS emu...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas rapidly nods twice at Zylias, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: try re-formatting the thing?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: how would that help?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: (make sure you have OS installation discs first!)
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Might help if it hasn't been decluttered since the slae and 'upgrade'...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it won't
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: sale*
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: Well, considering the guy, that upgraded it paid 500 dollars for a somewhat shitty upgrade, probably is more at risk of bloating his PC than others
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if the graphics aren't powerful enough to run a given game/prog, reinstalling won't change that
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: for all we know, it could be a CPU problem too
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: unless you know the specifics of what tasks the pc is running?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: debloating a PC helps in all aspects of performance
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i think you're clutching at straws
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I didnt say reformatting would turn his pc into a 6-core CPU SLi beast
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Well, perhaps, but it's one way to be sure that it's NOT bloated :P
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: exactly, and it can only help
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and generate a whole new set of problems
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: how so?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: i wish i had a 6 core cpu sli beast
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I've only ever SOLVED problems by reinstalling the OS.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: because you can be guaranteed there'll be no license sticker, and if there is, there'll be no install discs for the os, and if there is an install disk for the os, there won't be a driver
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and if you have all those, you still have someone who doesn't know how
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: obviously I'm assuming he has an OS handy, otherwise it'd make no sense
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't assume
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: and no he doesn't need a license sticker, there tons of ways of getting an OS
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if it was a dodgy $100 off a dodgy bloke, you really want to assume it's legal and has all the disks?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yes, none of them legal unless it's linux unless it involves money
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: slap ubuntu on there lol
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: because that'd help games run, clearly
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: opengl games
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Best not to assume anything, actually. But VampFox, if you're still here... without knowing your machine's specifics, my advice, and most of us here? Don't bother with any game post 2001-ish.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the most helpful thing you can bring to this discussion... is silence
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: Nod, because he stopped listening anyways
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: is there any way to add/remove multistates on buttons for zmud?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: seems like i can add but not remove
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: No i didnt stop listening to the conversation my isp has massive holes init and could only get through now. i thank you all very much for your help
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: There arent much places where you can get people to help from generousity.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: uhm i mean many*
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: if i want to upgrade my crappy pc to a better one im going to need a different cpu...and to do this i must change my current MB,.so therefore i have to take all the components off the MB and reconnect everything back to the new MB are the any things i must adjust or change bios wise? Er somthing?...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: and if you get new MB, chances are you need new memory, too. After that, there is not much left of the original PC - PSU, the outside shell, and maybe graphics card
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: mmm...i was kinda hoping you wouldnt say that...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: ok, sorry, pretend I didn't say that :)
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Xyliz prefers to purchase inexpensive refurbished second hand computers - since many of the expensive state-of-the-art computers within a few years are in the refurbished section second-hand section
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: lol...just joking huan...thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vampfox rolls on the floor laughing at Xyliz's antics!
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: there is yet some danger buying refurbished second-hand computers - requires buying at a decent computer store
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: anyone know a solution that would allow me to automatically reconnect to my vps over ssh? using putty, the username is filled automatically and pageant also automatically authenticates me with a rsa key. all i'm missing is reconnect when it disconnects because of my router restarting or other disturbances. i tunnel my mud connection through it, so when it goes offline during the night, i lose all my keys, nosave items etc
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: wouldn't need to be so concerned with security if you weren't up to no good dag
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hmm, actually, i'm thinking that maybe zmud can lauch putty when it fails 5 reconnects or so
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Does your router restart that often?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's not security. it's because it gives me better routing and latency ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Sounds like router problem.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: take a bat to it!
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: sometimes, it's consumer router under constant heavy load
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: how can doing all that give you better?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: still, i occasionally get disconnected even with the router working
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: A Linksys WAP does not count as a router :P
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: might not be your routher, but another down the line to where you want to go.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, the ssh tunnel uses compression and i seem to get a better route when i tunnel to england first. otherwise my connection goes through 5-6 hops in germany
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's uncharacteristic of the germans
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, using the tunnel i get ping of 100, without it i goes up to 200
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: anyway - i need something to re-establish the ssh connection when it drops for /any/ reason. and that happens
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Write a watchdog script?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i was offline tonight for whole five hours :'(
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/16/thieves-damage-south-african-traffic-lights-reach-for-the-juicy/
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: does this mean we'll have more mxiters?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: rofl.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: fail
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: lmfao
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: Iphone going to Verizon soon, that will put a thorn in the side of ATT
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: 0h 4
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: works fine in fx and chrome
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Then what is the problem? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: broken redirect?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: the number u have dialed does not exist
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, it redirects to /blog
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but that's about it
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it gives 404 even if you type out http://www.vinyl.ee/blog/index.php
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: does the page use a cms like drupal or such?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Will IE go to http://www.vinyl.ee/blog?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's wordpress
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it looks like one of the resources on the page isn't available
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: quite why it's throwing the whole page out though, i dunno, i see it briefly on ie before it dies
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that's the mystery :\
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: can't you strip back the page and add stuff back in one block at a time?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: (if nothing else has jumped out)
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'd rather not
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sounds like a javascript onload event, I can't view the page right now but is that something you've got going on?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i set it up, but i haven't touched it for a year. lots of mods, it seems
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so i don't know where to start
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i figured maybe someone could make ie tell what the problem is
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: because that 404 isn't very informative
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i haven't checked out .htaccess yet. maybe someone took a dump in there
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: probably isn't that if it works on certain browsers
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or maybe some xss
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Do you have access to the server logs?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: are you using a proxy?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: whoa. error log is massive
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: not surprising really
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i guess i'll start disabling the plugins one by one then
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: someone has made quite a mess there
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I'd disable all of them, then renable one-by-one
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i have my suspects
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: binary method is usually faster if you can't narrow down first
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: failing that try percussive maintenance
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cain killd Abelinc gets out the hammer
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: That is the first resort
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: GhostSoul gets the condoms.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hmm. it came to me that the guy still owes me money
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so i guess first i'll fix the damn site and then hold it hostage :P
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: debts cause 404 errors?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Ah, so you're gonna hit the guy in the kneecaps with the hammer?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: maybe take a moog synth if he's broke :P
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: nah, i'm the guy who has access to /all/ his web resources ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but i can't be a total ass. he's the husband of a friend of mine
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Go on, be an ass.  She's off the market anyway, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: never mix business with pleasure, unless you're fond of pain
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: There's a fine line between pleasure and pain.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Without the proper context, a snapshot of someone's "O face" would look like they were being tortured!
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: well, as i'm missing a finger, i can always go get those finger tattoo's done, love on one set of knuckles, hat on the other
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, disabled all the plugins, still get 404
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Alright alright, what's the URL again?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: If it is any help, the page loads in my IE, then comes the 404. Wierd.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's almost like you've got an include directive there that is a bad link
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: though that can't be right, else it'd 404 before displaying
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That REALLY sounds like a javascript redirect that is going bad
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the url is http://www.vinyl.ee/blog
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: does it use ajax somewhere?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not any more, i think. disabled all plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what about the core page
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh, haven't checked widgets yet
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hmm. nothing funny there :\
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Since you use fully qualified paths, pretty much, I copied the source to a local file and opened it in IE. It whined about Active X content, but opened with no 404
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I can't remember, does IE allow you to turn off scripting?  Try that, then load up the page
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what did the logs say, anyway?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: nothing. lots of stuff there, but the latest are couple of months old
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the page validates, too. well, there's 10 errors with missing 'alt' flags for img tag, but i'm pretty sure it's not the problem
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: permissions of resources set ok?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Last time it was known to work was before or after this week's M$ patches?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no idea, got notified an hour ago, so i guess it's fresh
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh, i'm on to something
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i disabled ie's "friendly" 404 pages
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and it loads
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, removed custom 404 page for now and it works
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: in cmud how do i enable it so if i have something typed in the cmd prompt with a space after it then i hit a macro it'll add th emacro to the cmd line and return to mud?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: You mean parsing commands so like run 3e4n5w;portal capsule
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: for instance i have "charge " in cmd prompt, and i hit key6 which is "east" and it sends 'charge east' to mud
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: nevermind figured it out
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Might be better to setup an alias instead that calls the script.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: quicker anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: how do i wipe an area from the mapper? I can't get the 'mapper purgezone' to work.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What happens when you try?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: it says the area is purged, but it isn't
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i've tried a lot of variations with the naming already
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you're using the area keyword?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Which area?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it could just say that automatically, assuming an area will be purged...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: it's the goblin path
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but really, there was no area with that name, so nothing happened
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: "mapper purgezone goblinpath" didn't work?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: ah... that works...
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: so the naming is based on the runto?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is based on the area keyword when you do "area keywords"
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: There is no GMCP for INFO: messages, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: hopefully soon
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Damn. OK, thanks.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: what is the port number / ip for the test port?  I have it on my laptop, but that's inaccessible to me right now.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: help test port
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: ty
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visteon Tech: use a map
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Newbie grins evilly at Visteon.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I could feel Mat's pain when he got his eyeball ripped out though
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec thinks how to replace statmon with gmcp outside of a plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: how do u turn on and off triggers through script in mush? like in zmud it is #T- ...
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Phishy Snewb Tech: global settings -> triggers -> unclick 'enable triggers'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: and to identify what u are turning off, does it have to be in a discrete folder, and it is the folder u turn off?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mush doesn't use folders, but there are trigger groups that can be enabled/disabled in scripts
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: okay, so you identify based on the group?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you define the trigger, put an identifier in the group
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: nodsnods
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'd be similar to zmud's folder, yup
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: and what is the syntax to turn off a group?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: something like enableTriggerGroup...the helps are really helpful ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: okay thanks man, ill check it out ... i wasn't good at coding zmud either but after 10 years i knew something...this is a whole new world haha :) cheers
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: tech is maybe the coolest channel on aard, imo, cuz people are chill about helping each other, i think that's cool :)
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: from enabletriggergroup help page: EnableTriggerGroup ("groupname", true)  -- enable the group
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and EnableTriggerGroup ("groupname", false)  -- disable the group
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: sweet, that helps out a lot, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec looks thoughtfully at Fiendish
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: so in mushclient aliases, you use * and %1 to capture variables...what symbols do you use to put vars in triggers?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Hello, I've been playing with Mush, and installed this inventory miniwindow, and just looked at the logfiles, and learned about invdata. My question is how can I reduce the 'spam' this plugin causes.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: exclude from logs
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neocypher Tech: type notags or tags off i think
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: off-crack white?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he needs the tag info
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: miss
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: it seems to do invdata after every tick, perhaps someone knows of a version with caching?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he just doesn't want it cluttering the logs
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Yeah that too, and i'd like to help conserve bandwidth :)
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in the grand scheme of things it shouldn't be that much bandwidth
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: I'd say the hidden data is about 50% of all text.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: basically, you want to put this into the triggers for it:
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: omit_from_log="y"
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'll keep it from clogging the logfile
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then find the spot where it's grabbing the broadcast from the tick and sending an invdata and comment that out
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it does use caching already, it's just reconciling on the tick
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Yeah just thought about it, makes no sense caching unless I create tons of triggers looking for inventory changes.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it has triggers looking for inventory changes...that's the invmon stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Oh it does? ah good, then it's as good as it's gonna get.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, invmon turns on a real-time item update tag system separate from the on-demand invdata
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Thanks for explaining, slowly mush is starting to make sense to me :)
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: of course, then there's us old fashioned people who type "inv" and then use Eyeball V1.0
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which sends something whenever an item is added/removed from inventory, worn, removed, put or gotten from container
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: eww :P
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: back in the days when reading wasn't a dirty word
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: It's nice with the new client you can get the 'goodies' first and learn while playing.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: my opinion it's the goodies that prevent people acquiring gaming skill
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: bit like driver aids in cars
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Hehe, I still do most stuff by hand, noticed they made a eqsearch command too.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's OK, if they have the goodies without the skill, you'll always have an advantage :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: we'd like to all hope so
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: discounting for bot + goodies
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, you can succeed with skill, coding, or time
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Bl
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atuin Tech: Oops, mis
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: Does anyone know where I can get a spellup script that works well? I'm using one I got from the MUSHclient site but it is 3 years old and seems to have some bugs. Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: I think Bast has one in his set.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Bast's spellup script is good, it's at http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/Intro
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: thanks I will check it out
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: what is the purpose of a spellup script with the mud script? does it provide some additional features?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: u know what i mean now that its built in?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I was wondering that myself
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: a spellup script will keep spellup spells up all the time
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: multitude of reasons
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zun Tech: the script will automatically rebuff you when it wears off, and keeps track of things like when you are AfK etc. But the one Gammons wrote has some flaws.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I guess I'm lazy, I just type 'spellup' after combat
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Does anyone know if there's a way to fix the campaign miniwin (mushclient/bast plugins)? It occasionally misses out the first mob and echoes it to the main window instead
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: If it's a bug, Bast is probably the best follow to fix it.  Post him a note about it on Personal.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: put a carriage return (%c) at the end of your prompt
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: for now. a fix is on its way :)
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: and turn promptflags off
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bast  sighs.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've already got both of those done
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: for both prompts?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ah, there's more than one? I suppose that means no, just for the normal prompt
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Add one to your bprompt, then :)
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, didn't realise there was that one, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: with cmud if im already in a trigger that has a pattern of (*) can i somehow check the  against a pattern?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: check the %1 against a pattern -.-
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you can, via %match()
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the match parser is a little less robust than the trigger pattern parser, but otherwise if you can do it in a pattern you can do it in the function
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what exactly are you trying to match?  * tends to be a bit of a poor way to match, so if you can do a narrower pattern you might not need the function.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: X number of lines containing X number of phrases
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: use a loop lines trigger type where param=X, and the pattern being a stringlist of your phrases.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I *think* you can also click the Repeat Within Line trigger option to catch multiples, if that's what you're after.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: its a random list of items, you have a chance of them being the same but most likely not, and the way it goes i have seen anywhere from 4-6 items on the list
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: being that they're in a stringlist, not sure that actually matters to the trigger.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: loop lines means "keep this trigger state active until param is reached", not "match the first line then test lines N+1 to N+param to see if they match that, too."
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: anyone checked how 'member group numbers' reorganize upon people joining/leaving?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i assume i fyou have 3 people, member1,2,3 and another joins they get #4
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: but say you have 4 people {1,2,3,4} and member 2 leaves, does it reorganize so that {1,2,3} where 3->2 and 4->3 or {1,3,4}
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: "double exp" isn't broadcast in gmcp yet is it?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OMG It's Aleks Tech: Once I add the GMCP plugin, am I able to just type: request char and have it display the info?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: shouldn't need to
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: but if you want to see the actual data do 'gmcpdebug 1' then 'sendgmcp request char'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: assuming mush that is
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OMG It's Aleks Tech: That's what I wanted, thank you :)
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OMG It's Aleks Tech: Now ..... does anyone know of, or have, a good GMCP repop script? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: gmcpdebug 2 gives the same data formatted
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OMG It's Aleks Tech: Or, does anyone know how I can set that up?
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OMG It's Aleks Tech: trying to learn gmcp/how it works
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can look at any of the plugins in the new aardmush, or some of mine also
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: HighMage Rastiln freaks out, screaming "Oh My Bot!"
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HighMage Rastiln Tech: anyone here own a kindel reader?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<awesome> Ohm Tech: anyone good with mush client aliases?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stainless Tech: can anyone advise me on changing background color with the aardwulf client? I checked the faq but it does not seem to cover it. I make adjustments to the ansi under 'world configuration' but they never seem to be applied
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: To change the background of the main window, go to Game -> Configure -> Ansi Colors.  There change the Normal Black to the color you want your background
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: OpenLayers library makes me want to shoot people
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: hey guys, The new icore from inter (i3,i5,i7ect) does the number after the i indicate how many cpu's it has?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: No
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Quad core CPUs
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: some are dual, too. number of threads varies also
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: oh...all i's are quads?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: i3 is only dual i thinj
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: i5?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i've seen i7s with 8 cores, not sure if all are though...
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i7 goes up to 6 cores
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: so what do the numbers indicate? the class maybe?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: just labels
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: they indicate a marketing employee is earning their salary. they are quite meaningless
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: no really sue...
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: im really serious. they came out of marketing, they have no meaning
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: just labeling to tell them apart
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Pretty much just a project name
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, project names are different
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or code names
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: sure, they are different projects, but they just as soon could have been ia, ib and ic. those names are not connected to the technology
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: sorry im...not sure about this...so why are there different numbers?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: so that you can tell them apart. the particular numbers have no meaning
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: you can try Intels website too, they have a section decicated to their I core CPUs
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: they might as well call them intel 1337h4x 12-16. it would be as meaningless as i#
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: that's why you arent a marketer dagnir ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i beg to differ
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: you should make cars, Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: why call mac os iterations, jaquar, leopard, "snow" leopard
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: thanks guys well i asked because i want to buy a laptop and im not sure how much better a for example i3 is compared to another i5 or even another i3
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: compare the specs online
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/processors/compare-processors.htm
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you'll find helpful stuff if you jfgi ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i dunno i go an entire mort (60-200) with vorpal on weapons and i get maybe 50-60
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: anyone using bast's miniwin quest or cp plugins? I seem to have them active, but I get no miniwindows with the new client
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: got a laptop here that is not saving date/time, checked /changed cmos still no dice. Occurs even at bios, i.e. go into bios change date, save, go into bios, date not saved....any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Battery is dead
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: re-read what i just wrote
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Not the laptop battery, dingbat
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: bios battery
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: yeah battery is dead.  there is a small battery inside that keeps your memory up to date.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: again re-read what i wrote..i checked the BIOS battery
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Reread what you wrote and show me the word "battery" in it
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: you didn't say that...
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: checked/changed cmos doesn't mean that you touched a battery, hence the confusion...
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: what he said
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Nimwit Velian snuggles up to you. 
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: moving on...battery was checked & changed
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: that's weird then.. wtf
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: sure the battery isn't loose or something?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: could be corruption in the cmos settings
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: try updating the BIOS if you know how to
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: if battery went low, the cmos values were likely corrupted - when cmos must be reset
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: that's never happened to my pc
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: corrupted cmos values are likely to prevent a reboot
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: machine boots & works fine just need to adjust date every time
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Is it off by a matter of hours, or is it completely borked and in a different decade?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: corrupted won't usually prevent reboot, but can prevent new values from being set/saved until replaced with a clean/factory settings
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: resets to jan 01 2007
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ooh, good q
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: in some cases, corrupted cmos values do prevent some devices from working, and if the video, user is unable to see what to fix in the cmos
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you're sure the battery is good, and you've tried resetting the default values.. Then I'd say the actual CMOS (or NVRAM, or whatever your system has) is failed and unable to save values.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: some cases, but not important here today :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: dust settling on the mainboard or in electronic components, plus humidity, may be causing electricity leakages which may be affecting the date-clock
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: if the warranty is expired, use a strong air blower to blow any dust off the mainboard and pwrsupply-- (i use the blower of a heavy-duty vacuum cleaner - the dust swirls and flies off the opened insides of the desktop (which is off))
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: you can always just net sync the time
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Provided that you're not logging in to a domain
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: you don't need a domain, just a net connection
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No, but if you're logging into a domain and your time is off, your logins will fail.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: How do i get cmud to "trigger" on the hour" not off a timer/alarm?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: make an alarm trigger, pattern *:00:00
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it should be #at
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: anyone know anything bout cmud triggers?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: can you be a bit more specific? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: i have a tracker trigger thats fireing 25 times and i dont know why
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: my hour stats tracker fires 25 times every hour. not THAT big a deal but its annoying when im grped and start spamming the hell out of my grp mates
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what's the pattern? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: uhhh not entirerly sure :P let me see if i can find it
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: just did it again =?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: %if( %1, %-1, %db( xpTracker_DB, ReportChannel) <- that?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's not the pattern, is it??
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: honestly i dont know much about coding and triggers and all that, can give me a example
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: you mean the thing that makes it fire?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That would be it, yep
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: herm... let me see if i can find it, just does it on its own on the hour so not sure
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Oh, so it's an alarm/timer
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: ummm i guess heh
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: so any idea?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: im not entirly sure how to find it let alone fix it lol
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: without the pattern, i can't help you
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ttigers Tech: ^You receive (?:\(Halved\) )?(?:(\d+|\d+\+\d+)) (?:(bonus ))?experience points i think thats the pattern
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, tried to compile my wireless driver, and when i try to "sudo make install" i get 'make[3]: *** No rule to make target `kernel/bounds.c', needed by `kernel/bounds.s'.  Stop.' any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: jfgi. got ton of results. dunno if they work in your case tho
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: jfgi?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: just google it.  The f is left as an exercise for the reader.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: heh
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's fun when people jfgi jfgi :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or jfgi jfgi through lmgtfy
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: any of u techi pros think this thing will support 32 bit OS? http://www.scribd.com/doc/37311470/Motherboard-Manual-Ga-7veml-e
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: question is, will 2Gb download limit a day be adequate for the next 12 month
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Depends on what you download :p
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i'm inclined to think not, already breech my 50gb a month regularly
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: More mud less porn?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's not the porn, it's tv
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stainless Tech: sure it is
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: But the porn had a hand in it :p
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that'll be your mom
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bizarro Sephiroth Tech: mine is all netflix... softcore... 
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: no, it's the newest hourly moose illustrated
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i'll have to see what I can haggle
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: Anyone know a website that has scripts etc, for the mush client?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: I know Bast has some.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: help www
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/Intro?tm=6 ?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use aard's mushclient, finger bast, use comli site from help www
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Anyone know mySQL enough to help out an idiot?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I need some syntax help
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: type it
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I need to PROJECT the 'class' and 'country' from the table 'Classes' which have a 'bore' Greater than or equal to 16.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lbid filter mine
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, oops
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Grizzler, anyone?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: What do you mean project?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: yeah, im not sure what that means
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You are sure you don't want to select?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Sorry, I want the answer to be the 'class' and 'country' for those eneteries that have a 'bore' greater than or equal to 16
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: That's the SELECT command.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: that's SELECT.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Techno nods at Grizzler.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: For example, if the Enterprise has a bore of 15, it would be excluded, but the Russian Typhoon which has a 17 would reply with 'Typhoon' and 'Russian'
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: ok, so I need to use Select. Confusing, but ok
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: add >15 to the condition
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: #SELECT [Class], [Country] FROM [table_name] WHERE [bore] = ?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ignore the #
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you can plug the value into the statement but then you would have to change the statement each time you changed the range.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: So SELECT Class, Country FROM Classes WHERE (bore ge 16)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and make bore >=
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: ERROR: STDIN at line 1, col 13: syntax error: 'Class' 
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: which is why I put it in []
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tablename.class
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if class is the actual name of the column
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I always put the column names in [], that way they never conflict with reserved words.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can just double-click on the columnname if you're using mysql workbench or similar gui tools
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: He said class, not Class. That SHOULD be case-sensitive, IIRC.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it shouldn't
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Classes(class,type,country,numGuns,bore,displacement) is the table.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: mabye in MySql, but not in the SQL spec.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you have to go out of your way to make things case sensitive in sql
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: been a while, heh. Used to be able to write the stuff in my sleep. :p
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: CLASS, class, ClAsS all are the same to SQL.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can change collation options of the db to make it case-sensitive if that's a requirement
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, with a Pragma
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: put 'class' instead of class
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galia Tech: SELECT `class`, `country` FROM `classes` WHERE `bore` >= 16
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I still recommend where [bore] >= ?, for one thing it prevents injection, for another the value is dynamic.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Mmmmm... Sql Injection.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Nothing suggested on here hasn't gotten an error yet.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: depends on whether it's just an ad hoc query or something being stored, nod
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: better filter and cast
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: This is a one time query. 
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I have to enter the query into http://www.cs.uwyo.edu/~kbuckner/database/algebra.php and get a result. No luck yet
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: select classes.class, classes.country from classes where bore >= 16
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: is the query language based on SQL or HTML?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: SGML, rather
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I have no idea, Anaristos
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it says it's algebraic query language, not structured query language...
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, from the help page it looks like it's base on SQL syntax.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: though, it isn't SQL.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, but there are MANY things based on sql...we're not talking ansi spec
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, the UNIONs and JOINs look suspiciously SQL-like :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: like select * from classes where bore >= 16 says * is an invalid character
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: There seem to be a lot of invalid chatacters. Like all of them 9-)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so as much as it's not liking the syntax of tablename.columnname, not accepting * is rather unSQLlike
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: Different versions of SQL use different characters for that, though.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I am fairly sure it's case sensitive. And that you can use the letters ge for >=
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: But so fair I haven't been able to get anything to reply with a response, no matter how far I boil it doen
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I give up :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: where is the documentation?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: This teacher doesn't document. All I have beyond the help file on that page is that the table is Classes(class, type, country, numGuns, bore displacement)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Anyone know a console command to turn off triggers in mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Oops, Classes(class, type, country, numGuns, bore, displacement)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: did you read the blackboard ?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon peers intently at Thunderous Norton.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: at any rate, this is definitely not a MySQL question ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Sorry, that's what the teacher says he's teaching
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it's an Algebra Query Language question :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he may be running it on the MySQL engine, but by the time it's reached here, it's not even close
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: we can't do anything without the syntax, not in a few minutes, anyway.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: There is a handout which says the operation selection has a notation SELECT(conditional){S}
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, it is possible to do that with sql engines, they might have developed some modules to pre or post process the query and make it look like a different language.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: So, while Tlaloc is seeking help with homework, I have an aard-related tech question.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: o?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Specifically mushclient.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Is there a console command in mushclient to turn triggers on/off? I remember Zmud having one.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: But the syntax is what I need. If I could get any sort of response from it, I'd be able to finetune the wuery to the answer. And Morinon, I know you can turn them off one at a time by turning off the enabled switch
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Tlaloc, that's not a console command.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: And I already know that one, I need something I can pull off faster.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Tlaloc, are you you highjacking? Why don't you have the documentation? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: because the teacher...well, can't. Teach, that is. 
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: enableTrigger and enableTriggerGroup can script turning them on & off, but you'd have to make an alias or something to do it just from the command prompt
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: just tell him it is a compsci class not a clairvoyance class. 
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: there should be a button on the toolbar, iirc.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: LOL, sounds right. 
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not in mush, ana
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: oh, ok ;) cmud/zmud has the little gun :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: zmud has the gun and computer icons, mush's buttons are to bring up the config pages
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can shift-ctrl-8 to bring up the trigger config page and there's a single checkbox to enable/disable all trigs
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Yes, Abelinc, I already know that one. By 'console' I mean 'I type crap in, hit enter, and stuff gets done'.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Not 'I open up things and click/unclick manually'.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: She needs to turn off her bot in a hurry *duck*
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I answered that part, morinon :P
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon pats Tlaloc on his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, we don't want it to spam hunt at some area entrance :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: since I'd already answered your question, I figured I could go on a tangent and mention other things :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Yeah so this works SELECT (bore GE 16) {classes};
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, that certainly isn't SQL :) So you are in the wrong class!
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galia Tech: heh...I got it.  Now the question is, do I give somebody the answer to their homework assignment?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, too late :P
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, Russia uses the biggest bore :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although he's not selecting particular columns yet
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galia Tech: nope...tealos gives all the columns
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You called JINX before Galia.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: Heh, I'm not giving him the whole answer.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galia Tech: that was what I was thinking of giving him too
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galia Tech: or her...shouldn't make assumptions on gender
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure you should...you're all guys
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Welcome to the internet, where men are men, women are men, and 12 year old boys are FBI agents.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: question, are y'all on Teh Intarwebs? Yes? OK then :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: don't forget that the sheep run scared.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You gallantly rip Laughing Lacrimosa's wig off his head! Some woman!
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: hardly.  the sheep are outside.  they're in no danger.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: They only run when the internet is down.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tyebald nods at Lazy Shark Morinon.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: and by 'run' we mean 'walk at a reasonable rate'.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Hey, I'm just getting in to gmcp.  I thought I saw something about being able to get item serial numbers somewhere to do client side inventory.  The website doesn't show anything about that.  ?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Galia, I have 10 more problems. If I can get one example, though, I can do the rest
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not gmcp, that's invmon, invdata, invdetails
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: atm we use tags, read help invmon
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: It would be nice, though...
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: CHRIST, I need a 
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: CHRIST, I need a semicolon at the end?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: um yeah
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's actually pretty normal
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no, that's just a multi-statement separator, though it doesn't hurt.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: always good practice to put a semicolon at the end
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's optional in MS SQL, though
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: there are variants, however, where it's required.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tealos Tech: the error info tells you that
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Tlaoc, there are sql tutorials online :>
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: I always put a semi colon at the end
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Tlealoc*
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so do I
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: not that im any kind of an sql expert
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: oh, sweet, ty.  So, gmcp is still really limited right now then?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: i worked with oracle tho
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: w3schools is good for sql
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not really limited
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, explicit end markers speeds up parsing slightly.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: As I said, it's good practice. None of the various SQL implementations will grumble if you put it in, but some will grumble if you leave it out.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's fully active for the stuff that it was intended to do, plus lots more
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: w3schools is a good tutorial.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: does the aard web page have everything?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: for GMCP? Yes. All you need to know to interact with Aardwolf.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for gmcp, yes
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos smiles happily.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I was mildly surprised that the documentation was good enough right off the bat.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and help invmon, help invdata & help invdetails for info on how to do inventory scripts
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, he kept it as a nice living document as he made changes
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I only had to update it once :P
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Yeah, I already looked at what invmon does.  That's nice.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gammon has a good example of an inventory plugin based off it
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and madcatz made a nice container sort plugin off invdata
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I have been having problems with data captures, I process all the tags but my database doesn't get updated all the time. I have old data stacking up.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I suspect that the invtags are not firing all the time.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you have %c-terminated prompt?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, they fire if I don't gag, but when I gag they tend not to work.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: oh, I am talking about invtags
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I don't have a prompt atm.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, nice...then that wouldn't be it :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: real nice :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that's what gmcp does for you, reduces the bandwidth :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I think I have my homework under control now. I would like to thank you all, esp. Galia and Tealos, for your help. I truly appreciate it!
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, not yet, but it has the potential to
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you sound like you just got a globe :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tealos nods at Tlaloc.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'm going to have to play with that.  It'll be really nice gagging the display.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I suppose you can negociate and cap gmcp from any application that has access to a socket, I am getting an idea... :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: farkyss is working on a gmcp proxy, mostly for zmudders
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: IRE MUDs have had them for quite a while for ATCP and now GMCP (ATCP2)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, yes, I just realized that mud clients don't have an exclusive.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: though, they make it easy since they already provide the mechanism.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tbh, it's not the right way to go for anything but a MUD client
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a horrible hack to the protocol
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well... data is data.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's the problem...it's data where it's not supposed to be
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't sneak data into your ethernet headers, do you?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, I see your point. But unless the client "logs on" to the mud then there is no way for the mud to know where the data is going.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: heh, refuse to answer that question :)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: gotta lvl again
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanaye Tech: Anyone who can tell me a bit about notebook processors?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: are there more builtin goodies like the invmon stuff?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you know about all the tags stuff, and there's nothing in statmon that we don't now have in gmcp...
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: The room info in gmcp is nice.  I can see doing a lot here.
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: what's the question?
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can actually turn various tags (and paging) on & off using option102 out of band (same as GMCP but option 102 instead of option200, or was it 201)
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: 201
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: going to sit at sh for a while to work with this stuff this time around
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: anyone need another cup of coffee?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: me
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I got a pup and now bast's miniwin_stats plugin keeps giving me an error pointing at commas.lua
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: has anyone else had this error?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: oh, I think i know what it is.. damn windows
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: i'm using the newest mushclient for aard and now i'm seeing things like {chan ch=ftalk}, how do you fix it?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: turn the channel tags off
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: load"*",8,1
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: when the specs of a graphics card state a amount of memory...eg a ATI Radeon has 512 MB, does this amount mean the vram or is it just how well the card performs?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: amount of vram
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's not a direct indication of it's performance
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: although it does have an impact
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: so how would you find out if the card is any good? Or more, how well it performs?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: oddly, one of the more accurate reflection of a graphics card's gaming ability is it's price
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: though reviews are a good start
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: clock speed, shader clock, number of shaders, amount of vram, vram clock, shader version..
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: also knowing what you want it to do is a good start
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: play games...lol..
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what sort
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: hi def
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: on a computer that's how old, running what os?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: xp
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: forget it
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: replace the computer
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: lol...
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: a powerful video card means nothing if you have a clow CPU feeding it instructions
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: slow
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: there's no point putting a new graphics card in an xp computer, it can't make use of anything that'll cost more than $100
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: i know i know fark....im shopping for a new one
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: but with xp init
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: yeah, no DX10 and other nifty things
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i'm still using a geforce 8500gt in mine
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: which does everything needed of it
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: sensible money would be to buy something similar for yourself
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: though you might only be able to find a 9500gt or 150 or whatver the current series is up to
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: you get quite a good bang for the money with an ATI 5850 if you are going to buy a new computer anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: chances are his old pc won't support it
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: the flagship card for nvidia right now is the Geforce 580
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: def. won't support that
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: i was talking about if buying a new computer anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if it's new pc territory, go for the most you can afford
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: major brands will typically be designed correctly, though watch pricing on em
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: warranty is important
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: the Geforce Gt 430 is a decently priced card
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: well with 5850 you get low heat, good performance and decent price, the newer cards might perform 10% better but at twice the price
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and don't buy a new pc then expect to just stick a powerful graphics card in it - it doesn't work like that
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i had that card in my pc
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: check the PSU can actually deliver whats needed, i have seen more pc's than i care to think of with a cheap lowend PSU for highend hardware
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: thats why you buy a pc that's been built around the graphics card
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: try to do it on the cheap and you'll probably fail
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: how many shops will tell you the truth about how they built pc's? only way to make sure is building yourself
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: only build it yourself id you know exactly what you're doing, else, get a big-brand
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or unless you have money to burn
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: or get one of your nerd friends to built it for you :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's a dumb idea
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: worked wellf or several of my friends
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: for
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: speaking of homebuilding, anyone knows how asus rampage 3 performs compred to rampage 2?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and don't buy a pc if it doesn't have a warranty that's at least Math.min(cost/$500) dollars
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: years, even
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: lol, nice
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: otherwise you might as well be setting fire to your money instead
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: don't know about the rampages, i don't keep abreast of it anymore, all i know is they're seriously overpriced, and probably unreliable
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: any mobo over $200 you're essentially paying a premium to be the manufacturer's technology beta tester
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: well i got a rampage 2 on sale last year (about half price) and have had no problems with stability at all, even when oc on serious level
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: i've had really good results with asus boards
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i use asus boards too, but even the one i'm using now (which wasn't a premium board) has a couple of really bloody stupid flaws that they refused to sort out
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: but I still like intel boards better
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I've never had a intel board fail on me
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: an
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: gaping big flaws like: Not being able to install a Windows OS on a raided drive if you'd slipstreamed the driver
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: i got the ramp 2 for the oc ability, and it handles it well so far. I have to agree that you pay for the name with known big brands
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and: Logitech trackballs USB mice not being detected without unplugging/replugging
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and: usb-floppy drives bypassing boot-order leading to security compromise
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I had an asus board that wouldn't power on unless the power was completely drained from the board
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's as likely as psu fault, in fairness, lywryn
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: nope, did the same thing with 3 different PSU's
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: then it's mobo fault, not a flaw
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: then return the board, might be as monday board
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: lol, I already did once.  It was a RMA board
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's usually a bad sign
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: and now it's dead
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: teh worst board i have come across when it comes to faulty boards are asrock, even they are highly praised many places
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: is one of the kind of scenarios you can avoid by not self-building, hence my suggestions to the guy
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: they're made by asus
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: same company, essentially
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: might be, but then they use too cheap components of wrong monkeys to assemble them :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: motherboards aren't assembled by people
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I've had bad luck with MSI boards
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: i know that, too big fingers too slow tempo
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: still in a batch of 100 boards up to 30 could be send to rma
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: the failure rate of consumer pc equipment in general is 10% across the board within the first year, so that's not surprising
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: the most reliable boards I've ever seen are intel boards
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: though if you're doing builds in runs of 100s, you really shouldn't be using asrock equipment ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: well that's not helpful if you're an AMD user, Lywryn
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: i think 30% failures is way too high, we didnt have those problems with msi, asus or any other major brands, they were within the 10% you mentioned
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: lol, that's true
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: asrock were notoriously picky about what you teamed them up with
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I've also never had a problem with eVGA boards
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: ok, so why doesnt the OS XP work well with good graphic cards?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: does not support DX10/11
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: ive heard about that...is that like a driver?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: kind of, but not really
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: What might it be then?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what might what be?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: it's an API that game developers use
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: a new pc with windows 7 will solve that, and 7 is great imo, finds almost all hardware by itself for one
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: as we already said earlier
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: yes, but it has to be supported by the hardware
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: mis.. oh well
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: just trying to emphazise that if you can afford it a new pc that is a better solution than trying to fix an old pc with upgrades
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and that if you buy a new one, get a proper one from a proper company
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that has been properly designed and built for the purpose with a proper warranty
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: dell makes a nice computer imo
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: asus, lenovo, dell
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: hp, AW
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: they're usually reliable sorts and well built, just not necesarily good games pc makers
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: aw?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir slaps Vampfox.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: lol..
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'd /never/ buy a hp. or a compaq
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: hp are fine
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: alienwares are made by dell now
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hp laptops have the highest hardware failure rates
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: noway....
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: id never by a dell :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yesway
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: buy
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's because they're laptops, all laptops have a very high failure rate
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: significantly higher failure rate
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: so you could generalise by saying "I would never buy a laptop"
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: odd given how most of the stuff is all built in the same factories
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: my laptops live more than 3 years each
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I build my own computers though
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and honestly, hp laptops are horrible
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you just need to spend more than 500 euro on it
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: chips are made in the same factories
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: anyway, we're talking about deskies, not lappies
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not the finished components, nor the r&d to disign a decent laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh, talking about desktops?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: r&d maybe, but the components are all made by the same people using the same type of components
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but some manufacturers still achieve way lower failure rate
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so your point is moot
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: there is a huge difference between a 500 euro device and a 2000 euro device
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's a simplistic statement, dagnir
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: components that are hand picked by nvidia seem to do pretty good 
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: your statement was simplistic as well
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: you might as well say apple have the lowest failure rate of laptops despite the fact that they don't sell one under $1000
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: apple is 4th
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: failure rate of a laptop brand is somewhat dependant on the target market and target price
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: then it's a case of: what type of failure
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, ok, the stats i'm talking about are entry-level lappies
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/11/17/reliability.study.has.apple.4th.place/
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: apple don't -do- entry level laptops
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes they do
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: they're more expensive, but still entry class by their standards
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: in this study, asus beats hp with 10% less failures. that's a pretty big gap
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: at which point you're comparing apples and oranges
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hey! what happened to the "all made in the same place" argument?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what about it?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, macs run on intel and nvidia chips. you know, made in the same factory as the others. why the special treatment?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: that "place" being asia then.... I would agree
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: some manufactures use higher grade silicon than others
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, nuts says it's the same factory
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: macs build quality tends to be considerably better than the others, and they tend to have higher spec building blocks
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: yeah, right, one factory making 100s of thousands of computers each week (or whatever)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: hence the price
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what about lenovo then? you can say the same about them, too
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: lenovo and foxconn make individual components
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you're comparing reliability of entry level laptops, then the 'entry level' must apply to price-point, target market as well as pure numbers
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, here's another chart for you - http://images.pcworld.com/reviews/graphics/156197-156197_laptopChart_original.jpg
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hp is the worst. again
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: anyhew, got to get back to work
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: HP's suck
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Lywryn.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that's what i've been trying to say all along
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: can be as reliable as you like, if the company is crap when it comes to dealing with any problems, you still lose
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hp/compaq is the worst laptop brand you could pick
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: in my experience hp's tends to overheat way more than any other laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I like dells, toshibas, and acers
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: sonys too, but those are a bit pricy
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: lenovo/imb is my favorite - easiest to service/troubleshoot
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: not sure about dell, they might have gotten better but here their support was so sucky they hit the consumer tvshows here
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: after lukin at that chart....hp's suck..
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: dell consumer support sucks
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: corporate support works great, but if you're mr nobody, then it's not that nice
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i have a toshiba myself. i was very happy with it until i had to take it apart. man, toshibas are built with no regard to people who might have to dismantle them
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: took me hours to take it apart
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: my dell laptop was shipped with a book telling me how to take it apart piece by piece
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: while my old imb actually had numbered screws and the order of opening on the casing
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: how about vaio or PB?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bonjour Tech: vaio notebook is good for me :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bonjour Tech: esp the one with hspda builtin
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what's pb? packard-bell?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: i would go for lenovo or asus if i was forced to buy a laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that's sub-hp/compaq
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: yeah dag
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: vaios are overpriced. can get better for that money
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, sony is evil and their support sucks
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bonjour Tech: it's light! :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: there's a manufacturer out there that buys the lowest tier capacitors to save money, but I forgot who it was
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: sounds like my old boss :) he went as far as voluntary bankrupt to avoid gaurantee repairs
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bonjour Tech: wud1
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh, i forgot, fujitsu is pretty bad, too
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: but but but.....hp has a spill resistant keyboard!! waaaah!
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you own a hp laptop, don't you?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: No...
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i have to admit, hp has thrown lots of dough in marketing and design to sell cheap and good-looking entry-level laptops
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: in general stay away from hp unless its gift
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: lol you get wireless,waterproof keyboaqds
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Kenjiro.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vampfox nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: keyboard*
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, hp printers use unicorn horn and witches tears to print. that's why they're so expensive to maintain
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: hp is great for business level laptops, but the entry level is bad, I agree
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: that's because the entry level is the old compaq shit
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: why would you go with anything else than dell or lenovo in business class?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: because dell is terrible?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: and lenovo is not good enough
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: two best business class brands are terrible and not good enough? what would you recommend?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: HP
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but pay at least 2000 euro
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i just bought a laptop with a 2k euro budget
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I know part of the SLI standard is that any manufacturer that uses nvidia's mobo design has to use high tier capacitors and MOSFET's
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it boiled down to lenovo t510 and dell xps 17
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: btw, i repair laptops for living
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: hope you got the lenovo
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so i know a thing or two how they fail ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, got the xps
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i was merely consulting and the customer wanted it for gaming, too
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: t510 have quadro workstation cards
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rau Tech: I just inherited a w510 at work :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: for gaming i would go for asus they have som nice rigs
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yeah, but i had to buy it from a shop and the selection isn't that good here
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: harder to get some manufacturers high-end stuff, because they're hard to sell in a country with 1.3 million people
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: uhm dag...was the damn thing diamond studded?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: im sure the shop could take it home if you asked them to, then again customers are susually very impatient when they have to buy new toys
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: usually
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yeah, i ordered it from the shop
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but unfortunately we don't have an asus shop for that. only lenovo, dell and apple offer that kind of customization
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the selection shrinks when you reach 1.5k euro range
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: i can imagine that with that small population
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, i was given 2k euros and told to get the best laptop i could find
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: not a big market for serious gaming lappys :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so i got a dell xps 17
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: would have got t510 for myself tho. even tho it has lower specs
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but only if i could get a custom chassis with a 4:3 screen :P
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i hate the extra-wide screens
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: you know the ropes, you could do it yourself :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: web, muds, terminals. i don't need the damn width
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i probably could, but it would be fugly :P
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: maybe let them dig out a t61 and stuff a t510 in it
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: well if you buy a serious desk rig, manyof them are more than ugly with all kinds of light everywhere and funny cabinets
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: actually, that reminds me, i should go and pick up my commission :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, for that money, i would have built a decent desktop gaming rig and also bought a decent laptop :P
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and spend the money i have left over on drugs and alcohol
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lywryn laughs out loud.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: because 2k euros will get you some pretty decent gear
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: dont drink and build :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: pretty much the absolute best in high-end laptops
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: guess i wont tell you the p rice of my rig then :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: why not?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: you would laugh :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: why? dude, i work with a laptop that cost me 300 euros :P
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, it's worth more, but that's what i paid for it when i was buying stuff from an office declaring bankruptcy next morning :P 
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh, btw, places like banks are great places to get your hardware from
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: they usually swap each piece of hardware for a new one in every 2-3 years
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so make friends with the it staff, you'll be able to pick up great stuff for nothing
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: just got a bunch of nice 19" screens. 30 euros each. used for 3 years
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: and how often do you meet the itstaff, unless you have to deal with them in the first place? :) besides here it seems like the bankstaff get the offers
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also a nice dell optiplex for a fileserver. 1 gig of ram, 1 gig hdd, 3.0ghz p4xe. cost 20 euros
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i drink with these guys ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: that will get you in a better position than the staff for sure :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, technically, i buy from the staff
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: they are the people who deal with that stuff. they can basically claim anything
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: not teh it staff, the ordinary bankingstaff
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the it staff ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: they gather the hardware when it's cycled, modify it (put in more memory, hdd, get the brightest screens)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: then send the papers to beancounters who don't know anything about hardware for prices
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and they can buy them out for the price the beancounters think it's worth
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and that's peanuts
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: lucky you, here the bankingstaff gets it all
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: here, too
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i usually have to place an order
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: then again its easier when you get drunk with the guys :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i ask them about the next hardware cycle and tell them what i want
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'll give them the money and they'll buy it for me
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: good deal
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kenjiro Tech: well time for a q before i haave to work :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that reminds me - i need ddram for my new optiplex
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, the techies there make sure that the printers that are going to be cycled next well will have nice new toners and all :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: bofh style :P
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kenjiro )
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vyxine Tech: my AArdwolf Mushclient won't work ,its saying the procedure point EncodePointer could not be located in the dynamic link library KERNEL32.dll , can someone help?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vyxine Tech: how u get the mushclient to work?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: usually people download it, extract it and then launch the application
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no rocketsurgery there
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vyxine Tech: no it saying that Kernel.dll can't be found
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: what operating system, what version of mush are you using -- the more information you give, the easier it gets
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: in the new mush client for aard, I'm getting this message at the beginning of channels- {chan ch=clantalk} - turning off tags fixes it but dissables on the the map windows
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: mmm, rocket surgery
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: tags channels off
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: thanks starling
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rathik Tech: Xorg isn't working. What information would someone need to help me make it work?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: never had a nes
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: woops
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: in cmud if i have a trigger state with a main trigger and 2 that may or may not follow the original trigger, how would i make something fire after all 3, 2, or 1 of them triggers.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: within lines type
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: hmm?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: "within lines" is a trigger state type.  Pattern is the default type, fyi.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ahh ok. so i'd make a "4th" trigger state "within line" and have it send what i need it to?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: from the perspective of that line occurring, yes.  If it doesn't occur within the designated timeframe, the trigger state is automatically advanced to the next one.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the param for Within Lines starts counting from the prior state, though, so set it appropriately and then test the crap out of it to make sure you aren't not-matching.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Are there any plans to provide invmon data via gmcp at some point?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I don't know, hope they do damage messages first though :)
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Do you want to keep stats on combat?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, my python doesn't seem to have urllib2 installed for some reason, and i can't seem to find the source for it anywhere, anyone know offhand where i can get it
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnidlohnad Tech: what platform are you on?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: win7
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnidlohnad Tech: you can probably use easy_install for it
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Isn't that a *NIX only ability?
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnidlohnad Tech: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnidlohnad Tech: think i've done it on windows, trying to remember
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, none of the setuptools has support for 3.1 only 2.*
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Sigh, a project for another day it seems
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnidlohnad Tech: ah i don't know then
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: theres lots of python modules that dont support 3.x. best to stay on 2.6 for now, imo
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Grizzler loves watching closed platforms crave open tech.
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: its not a platform issue. the python module doesnt run on 3.1...
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Try http://docs.python.org/library/urllib2.html at the top of the page
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: what does it mean if protocols gmcp says core gmcp options = off?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I would assume your client didn't negociate the protocol or negociated it successfully.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: unsuccessfully*
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'm using the aardwolf mushclient.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the wiki page shows you how to enable the protocol. try it manually to see if it enables.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: do you need it enabled?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I mean running.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: atm protocols says gmcp is off, so he can try to turn it on manually.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if that works then he can try to figure out why the mushclient is not turning it on.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: gmcp core, not gmcp?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, if core is not enabled then he just sends a core 1
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but I don't see how he knows about core since the protocols command is not fine-grained.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: protocols gmcp
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I see, then yes, send a core 1 to the mud over the protocol connection.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: yeah, it says gmcp is on in protocols and protocols gmcp lists char,comm,rawcolors,room on (and core off)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: How do I send a core 1?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: see the wiki page
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: why do you need it enabled?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: because it says that it is not.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you don't need it enabled
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mine isn't on either, i think it just sends stuff like omg you turned xx protocol on/off
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I have it enabled.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: is anything failing to work?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I am asking him :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: core for the most part just allows client data to be sent
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: allows the mud to know what client you're on etc
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'm sure on another char I was able to do gmcpdebug and see the output, it stopped working along the line somewhere
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but that's the debug package not core
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: yeah none of the commands seem to function anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: none of your gmcp commands?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: just this session it stopped working?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: debug sends debug errors.. not client data :o
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: like request char
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: why are you pulling the data that way? Why not just use triggers and let the client do the pulling for you?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'm using the aardwolf client, I've used mush for like 3 days now :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, that's out of my depth then. I don't use the aardmush...
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what are you trying to do in the client?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is your gmcp handler plugin installed/reinstalled?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: yeah I reinstalled the handler, typed protocols gmcp restart
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: and im sure it worked on another char , havent changed a thing, not even quit the client :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what are you expecting to see?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the point of gmcp is to work in the background
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'm trying to see output from mgcpdebug out of curiousity
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: and learning mush :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: tried gmcpdebug 1?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: pfft, well learning moment type gmcpdebug 1, without the 1 it pretends the command doesnt exist :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: or perhaps i should sleen soon :p
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Could I use mxp to turn every inventory line into a clickable hyperlink where the menu has the stats items send over gmcp?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: o.O
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Darn that's alot code for something that basicly adds an id to an array and has to remove it when receiving invchange gmcp. 4/5 is miniwindows :(
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: there isn't a miniwindows plugin doing all the handling for me? assuming lots of nice default settings?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: what is the command to echo command on my client? zmud. not input to mud though
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: #SHOW
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: ty
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: #ECHO and #SAY also work depending on exactly what you want to do
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: the 3 seems pretty much the same is there are diff?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: yeah, but they are slight
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: #ECHO will send the mesage to whichever window happens o be active
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: also #ECHO will not cause triggers to fire
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: seems like the safer option then. thank you
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: #SHOW or #SAY (can't remember which could be both) will cause trigers to fire
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: #SHOW fires triggers not #SAY
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: depending on your color scheme setup, #ECHO shows up in a bright blue color, but #SAY and #SHOW are both grey
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: probably just use echo flat for all
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: so, any zMud experts on tonight?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir peers intently at Sneak.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: grae's got me :p
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: any ideas how to wash a laptop keyboard that has nice syrupy liqueur spilled on it? 
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VelvetLies Tech: white vinegar and q-tips
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: put it in the dishwasher
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's solid, can't really use q-tips
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't have diswasher, but i considered rinsing it with vodka
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I'm looking a little into GMCP protocol.  How does one enable it in a basic telnet client?  I can find a lot of info on the data objects, but not much on connection or enabling it
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: basic telnet clients don't support it afaik
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It isn't available in telnet, your client needs to have support for it.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: say you were writing your own client.. how would you connect to get that info?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: There's no use for it with telnet, anyway, as your basic telnet client doesn't have support for triggers, aliases, scripting, etc. anyway.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yo dawg, it's like a protocol in a protocol so you can use a protocol while you're using a protocol
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: so it's an http protocol?  I thought it might be embedded int he telnet response
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, i soaked the keyboard with vodka, then washed with hot water
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/GMCP
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It's got nothing to do with HTTP
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the keys aren't stuck any more, dunno if it'll work
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i have gone to that url, but it only talks about themessages.. not connections (as far as I could see)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Go to the first link in that page, which describes the actual protocol standard
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It has a whole section called "Protocol Negotiation"
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I've read that page up and down adn i can see how to turn on debug messages to make the GMCP appear in the text.. but I'm guessign there is another channel for the real non-debug messages?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that isn't mentioned on that page at all
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: can someone at least tell me if it is a seperate telnet connection?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No, it is OOB communication in the same TCP/IP connection as the player
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: http://www.mudstandards.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=107
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You connect.  The server sends IAC WILL 201.  If the client is willing and able to use GMCP, it sends back IAC DO 201
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you might also want to take a look at the mush plugin for gmcp, you'll be able to see how it sends the packets
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you.are.awesome.  thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ok.. off to see this message coming through thanks!
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Good luck
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, now some ideas on how to remove drops of syrupy liquor from a motheboard :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the keyboard was easy
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Acetone
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, fujitsu amilos have sucky chassis'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: acetone?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: actually, i'm thinking ether
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ether is fun
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Ether might damage the plastc, though.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I guess that explains how you managed to spill liquor on a motherboard.. Lay off the ether.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: For that matter, so might acetone.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Dagnir have you tried 80 percent rubbing alcohol?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: haven't tried anything yet, just looking for ideas
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm for rubbing alcohol myself
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Alcohol and a toothbrush
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i washed the keyboard with vodka and it did the trick. i'm not doing that with a mobo tho
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i think a toothbrush is too rough on the circuits
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: If it's sticky due to sugar content of whatever was spilled, wouldn't water be the logical choice, since sugar is water-soluble?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: what a waste of perfectly good vodka.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's lousy vodka, but i guess it's great by western standards :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: "too rough on the circuits"?   Use a gentle touch, you're not trying to scrub a hole through it.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: blah, it's even 37.5% alc volume
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: I would use 80 percent rubbing alcohol.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'll probably do that, saatai
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: in soviet russia, motherboard cleans itself
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: What kind of keyboard is it?  Laptop, or...?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: A true russian would have been sucking the liquor off the board before it even dried
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm only half-russian, so it's ok
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: use isopropyl with cutips or something...don't soak it.  Remember that syrup is actually full of salts...don't power that thing.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Shush Metria
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: too late. it's been powered plenty already. i was late to the rescue
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the owner tried to clean it himself at first
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: was the motherboard poly coated?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, i don't think so
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: then I would use rubbing alcohol then to clean the board.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: This stuff is all on Google, btw.  Google is your friend.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i know, i know
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but i like the personal approach
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's not the solution, it's the journey ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe the third time I'll get it right
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: any Ipad mudders?  which client do you use?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Jesus, people actually mud using a touchscreen?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: er, no, I have a bluetooth keyboard
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I use touchterm on the ipad
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: but I can almost type as fast using the touchscreen keyboard.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Elvendar nods at Newbie.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, the ipad's onscreen is pretty easy to get used to, other than I would want to change which keys are on the standard alpha "page"
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this is a nice little keyboard: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PA-BK03-PB
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: yeah, well, I hate how the "shifted" keys aren't consistent with their location on a normal keyboard.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Does not take long to get used to that Newbie.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: touchterm still pops up the onscreen keyboard when using the bluetooth keyboard, but I set the transparency all the way up so it stays out of the way
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: touchscreens never beat a proper keyboard
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: other ipad apps don't pop up the onscreen keyboard when I'm using the BT though
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: a hammer does Dagnir, pow on hit, it done.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: now THIS is a keyboard - http://www.daskeyboard.com/#slide2
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, that's a lot harder to carry around in your shirt pocket, though
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you just need bigger pockets!
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cain killd Abelinc looks for "cargo shirts" to be the next fad
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: Psh that's not a portalble keyboard, that is a monster.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Grizzler recommends an expedition backpack so you can carry a real computer around.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: already have that, grizzler
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, my piece of junk htc has a hard keyboard that beats any touchscreen ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: even has ctrl and alt keys for screen+irssi :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, it just doesn't have the screen real estate to make its keyboard actually have usefulness :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yeah, it's several gens behind. 420x360 screen
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but i haven't used it since i poured coffee on it anyway :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: several behind?  That's antique.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the galaxy S with a slideout keyboard is really nice
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: htc tytn ii
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or hermes
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: depends on the branding slapped on it
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: a roll up 1920x1080 would be cool.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I've logged on here a few times from my Droid, but it's much better at screen and irssi than it is at mudding
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/02/htc_hermes.jpg
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: screen and irssi is the main thing
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i have all my communications running through my vps and screen. email, msn, jabber, facebook chat. even irc!
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: vps = ?  
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i mean irssi on the vps
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: virtual private server
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, i mud through it
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'm noticing the mapper saves rooms like The majestic Hallway. Is there an easy to turn that into colours?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Erm, att-signw The majestic etc.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define easy
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: doable by someone who mearly downloaded the client and has been messing about 3 days with mushclient.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Evil Bitch Sirian Tech: could anyone give a working win7 ult 32bit build 7600 key or some link where I can get the key/keygen?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Riiiiight
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nowoo Tech: http://thepiratebay.org/ is where I'd check.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: And I wouldn't talk about it here, either.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Evil Bitch Sirian Tech: only ones I found there were with the win7...don't want to download it all
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: you realize you can pick which parts of the torrent you want to download
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Evil Bitch Sirian Tech: hmmm....will try it
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: unless it's all one iso
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Little Alhena Tech: Anyone knows if it's possible to make reverse searches on whois database - like get all domains registered by one person, or get all domains that point to the same ip address ?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: good question, i'd google for reverse whois as a first shot.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: Not that I've ever seen...
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Little Alhena Tech: (giving 5 tps to whoever finds me a free reverse whois that would show me the domains registered by the person)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The latter isn't whois, that's DNS. Reverse whois, probably not since there's different whois databases depending upon which TLD..
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Little Alhena Tech: and Newbie, yeah, i'm not a (complete) idiot, tried google...
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Little Alhena Tech: the 2nd one is a reverse dns
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Little Alhena Tech: but lots less interesting to me, i'm more interested in reverse whois
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No, reverse DNS is taking an IP and getting a domain name.  That's not necessarily ALL domains that point to that IP.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Little Alhena Tech: Metria, again, not a complete idiot, anyone can do a ping -a
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Never said you were any flavor of idiot. Try to relax a little.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: is there any way to change the z-order of miniwindows?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the first letter of the windowname determines what level it is
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I have a way to do it, but it's never been very high priority to actually implement
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: since the common case is to not overlap windows
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: okay -- I have limited screen space -- I wanted to have the cp window on top of the status window -- I can live with out stats for the duration
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't use the stats window
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: as you say, most of the time, it's not a big issue
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the statmon GMCP window thingie? I think it looks cool, though it's not that useful
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I use tt.  The gmcp stats will be great.  I'll get to turn prompt off and have a static line with the info.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: that's true I hadn't thought of that option
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: gmcp can do some great things.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Exactly.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I've just ported all my scripts to it, and my plugins -- I have to say, it's sensible, although not before time
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I've been getting fed up with regexp guess work for years
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, most of the stuff hasn't really needed guesswork in years, between statmon and tags
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: sure -- it was the reason that I finally moved from my old mud to aard
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: regex can be dangerous.  It's best to be as verbose and simple as you can.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You moved here because you could write triggers easier?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yes -- I get nearly as much fun from customizing my envirnment and writing stuff as playing
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: actually probably more
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: same here
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: YOU GEEK!
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: how do you think I have 7000 hours and haven't even made t1 yet?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: well, I like to think of myself as a professional computer scientist, who likes to relax in the evenings
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: In my reality, being called a geek is a compliment.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: year, my first t1 was really slowed down for the same reason -- I guess I have about 10k loc now
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I dunno, my wife has 21k hours and hasn't made T1 yet, but she doesn't customize her environment :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: then go write a gq cycle script for mush and we'll love you for it :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: stomp, already exists
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: ok, then email it to me :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I'm not offended Grizzler, but I still prefer to call myself a computer scientist:-)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: geek
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: if it exists but is unavailable to me, then it might as well not exist at all, right? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oops, y'know I think I was remembering the moons script, not GQ cycle...
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if only
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stomp nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm sure there's a gq cycle script somewhere
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: i'm sure people have them, fiendish. i simply never was able to get my hands on one
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if not, fiendish is volunteering to write it :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I have a cmud one, but I have yet to get the time to port it
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cain killd Abelinc raises Fiendish's hand
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: like hell
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: it's also not like it makes a huge difference, but might help participate in a couple more 
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stomp rapidly nods twice at Bast, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, they're nice for deciding if you want to stay up another 15 mins ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: exactly... or 2 hrs.. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: swalec, you are right.  A comp sci person is much more calculated.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it does have a certain gravitas about it
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it also explains why I like to code in the evenings -- I do increasingly less of it during the day. So, it's a good way for me to keep my skills up
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: geek emritus
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: put another e in there
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec had worked that one out already
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: swalec, still here?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: sort of --
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I was just looking at disposing of the prompt.  I'm going to use my split with a showme {composedfromgmcp} 1
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: okay -- I'm not a tt expert BTW, I was thinking of removing the prompt for mush
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: ah, different names/syntax I am sure.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: GMCP handling is very different for tt am afraid -- in fact, I've used a rather hacky way of achieving it in scripts
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: In tt, you just assign event handlers.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: also in mush, but unfortunatley the event handlers are all in the plugin layer -- there's a set of notes about it on tech
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I am going to have to leave now -- stuff to do in RL
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: k, I don't mush...on linux
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: also on linux:-)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: so all my usb ports spontaneously stopped working, any suggestions?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: reboot
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: i was in middle of playing a game. keyboard stopped. mouse stopped. i get owned. forced to restart
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: then i get NO KEYBOARD error 
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: i go buy a ps2 keyboard since all my stuff is usb
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: i can boot up now, bios says USB is enabled
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: windows?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: mouse gets power, but wont work. usb keyboard gets nothing
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: yes vista ultimate
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Device manager show any errors?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: I take it your tried uninstalling/installing The drivers again?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: yeah, sounds like a driver problem
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: device manager says all the items under USB controllers are running properly?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: no conflits
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: Its happened to me before on my last computer, had to uninstall drivers and put them back in.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: so just uninstall all things listed under the USB in device manager?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: if your bios is reporting an error booting (before starting Windows), it sounds like a hardware issue
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: That maybe, and shutdown your computer, then turn the power off hard on the ps or unplug.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: ive unplugged, killed power completely, turned back on. didnt remedy anything
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mosch Tech: hey, how do i push my chat into the communication log, my stats into the stats window, etc?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mosch Tech: in the MUSHclient that is.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: I would try uninstalling what device manager has for USB, and reinstalling it. If you already tried the power thing, thats the next best bet.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: everything?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: ive got 2 USB Root Hub, 1x standard enhanced pci to usb host controller, 1 standard openhcd usb host controller
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: Maybe try updating each one first. Im running Vista too, It gives a update option.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: ive tried
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: i do search everywhere or online w/e instead of on pc
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: says they up to date o.,o
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: I know this is pretty much unheard of, But your USB ports could of fried.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: they give off power tho?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: my mouse is illuminating, its not responding tho
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: it 'installed' drivers when i first put it in, but still doesnt respond :p
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: power and comm are different
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Is there a lua function that sends a string to the world?  Note() outputs to the window, I want to send to Aard.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: Send() or Execute()
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: I'd guess it would be an Output() or similar? You might be able to find it on the webman.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Thank you
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: execute will fire aliases too, as if you typed it yourself. Send is direct
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Ok, that makes sense. Thank you again.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Anyone know if Color Syntax is broke in cMud?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: yes and no
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: define broke
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Like not working.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: yes we know, no it's not
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no, it's not broken.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: How do I get to work then?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: no idea, depends what you've done to break it
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: turn it on in Preferences.  Fill in the letters for the appropriate colors and options.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Done that.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: is everything monochrome?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Yes.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: are you sure you just haven't turned color off mudside?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Lol, yea.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: open Preferences, go to the Ansi Color section.  You want the Color Syntax tab.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Nod I know where it is.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: It seems to work fine in zmud.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: eh?  It's buggy in ZMud.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: works fine in zmud
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: No works good in zmud.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: (I)(M) //Belt of Electricity\\ (200)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Cant get it to do that in cmud though.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yeah, never trust a guy who actually helped find the bugs and get it fixed...
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: now i've seen it, i think it'd be better in monochrome
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: anywho, there's a checkbox that says Syntax Enabled.  It needs to be checked.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: you were a zmud bug tester?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Yep its checked.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, so were all of you
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Everyone who ever ran zmud is a bug tester ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Feral Farkyss grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: F, b.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: now I'm a CMud tester and all-around guru.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: damn you, abe, I was then about to find us all someone to blame
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I don't need anyone to blame, though ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: a real one, not someone who just felt leet by upgrading to a buggy-as-all-hell beta version that was going to get fixed next week/month.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i'll be blaming someone until v8 comes out with the bugs fixed
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: heh
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: anywho, Rith do you have the color letters filled in?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: I do.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: keep holding your breath on that one :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: and the @F
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you just need the letters, not the at-sign that goes with.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: got plenty of time :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: yep yep
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and the reset color code?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: No that box is blank.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what does the titlebar of the Preferences window say?  Remember that windows can have their own preferences, so you might be setting the color preferences for a different window than you expected.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Aardwolf.mud
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's the name of your window?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: http://217.64.242.120/pm-docs/ColorSyntax.jpg
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: It is.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: hmm, what version?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: screenshot's from zmud, but you need to set it up the same way in cmud
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Nod that is what mine looks like
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: 2.37
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, that's why.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Heh, figures.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: CMud 2.37 is more buggy than Zmud 7.21.  Nearly as old, too, for that matter.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Yea that I know.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: The current cmud version is 3.33a.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Perhaps you should download it
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: for the most part cmud is pretty stable for me unless i try some wierd stuff with the maps and databases lol 
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you'll need 3.04, minumum
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Mkay.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Thanks guys.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: no amount of stableness will overcome the broken promises
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: does cmud have a better record at actually fixing its bugs before another major version change or is zugg just moving sideways with it?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Just making sure I wasn't doing something wrong.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: he'll bring out dmud for windows 8 and require you to buy it
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no, 3.29 or so was the first public 3.x release.  Any older version is a beta version and thus has already expired.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: i don't like that however he is running a business
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: tt doesn't expire :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: I realise he's running a business. My question is unlike zmud are bugs being fixed rather than just version changes for the sake of moving the number up and expiring people's licences?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: former for now, until he gets bored or skint, then the latter
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you should be sitebanned for that level of dumbassery.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's what he did to the zmud users
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: he is fixing more bugs per release than Lasher does for Aardwolf.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: And making more.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's because Lasher doesn't write that many bugs.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: lasher actually uses test port :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: also irrelevant, aardwolf is free
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: zugg uses his user base :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yep, bends 'em over hard and uses 'em all night long!
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: rofl
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon grins evilly at Birdbrain Metria.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Why use a client like that when there are so many options?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i, and every embittered old mudder like me, would have been perfectly happy for him to say that he's not putting any new features into zmud after v7, and any new features would be in a new package
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: provided he finished fixing the bugs in the existing features in v7
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: at the time if you wanted scripts you went zmud. or you went with something else and wrote all your own.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: just use old telnet prompt wont have to worry about crashes unless the internet goes down haha
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: because in all honesty for the longest time NOBODY was able to even come close to ZMud/CMud in terms of overall package.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i've (in the past) tried a lot of MUD clients out briefly, and very few seemed to have decent features like zMUD/MUSH do
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Oh, I thought you were supposed to work on "scripts" yourself and other players.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: they just didn't do what i was used to with zMUD
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: even Mush couldn't touch ZMud/CMud
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: mush couldn't touch zmud
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and Mush is largely regarded as the #2 overall client
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: remember that earlier versions of cmud were really buggy, and mush caught up a lot during that time
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: then there are those of us that still stick by tintin and tinyfugue
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: have they gotten a mapper yet?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'd do tinyfugue if Ken would implement the subwindows I asked for (which would let me put the minimap in the corner and leave it there)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: yeah, there's a tintin gcmp mapper
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yes, and it comes packaged with the new aardmush client, with continents and newbie areas pre-mapped
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: I might have to take another look at mush, it seems the default aard packages might do all and more that I want and/or need.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: metria, google tmux :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I was referring to tt or tf
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: tt has always had a mapper...
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Nah Abelinc, don't get me to switch again.  i've thrown my lot in with Mushclient, don't wanna keep jumping.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: This seems more like "I want to play but I want my client to do it all for me."
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I resurrected your archive, anyway ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Feral Farkyss peers intently at Grizzler.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I saw that! Just about crapped myself when that came up on the tf list.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: well you won't get very far if you don't have your client do all your playing for you
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: how do you think half of clan light got to t9?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there are almost 30,000 potential reasons in Aardwolf to let the client keep track of your stuff.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I want to play, but I want my client to make up for the fact that I have fatfinger diesease
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Or Stupidfinger disorder
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: more than 30k, actually
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: not really, Grizzler... more like i want to play without my head exploding when trying to set up anything in the client.  some MUDs require you to have fast triggers if you want to stop your group-mates from dying to mob walk-ins, for example.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: light got to t9 due to allies, not bots.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: zylias, fib!
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: lies!
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: almost 30k in explored, lots more marked noexplore
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: truely, i used to play there
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: when iwas the last time anyone ever died from a mob walkin here, 
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: come off it!
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: deaths here come about from the phone ringing, or your connection dying, or having a sudden coffee spillage
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: Grizz I wrote most of my scripts in zmud minus the auto hunt and spellup, what I didn't like was small things like debugged triggers stopping working with no reason, the .mud file eating itself every 6 or so months. trivial things I did enjoy how easy it was to make a looping alias to cast a spell x times in combat or use a skill x times.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: re-read what i said.  some MUDs != aardwolf necessarily
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Or exploring high level areas when you're level 1.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's mostly not even possible, starling, thanks to level locks
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what we need is sudden demon invasions
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: only for newbies...
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: not true, level locks only exist SC I believe.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: level locks only apply first mort here
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: level locks don't apply to anyone who's remorted
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Sure it's possible.  Anyone R2 and up can do it :)  I did it several times last remort.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol, you just type bs mob;#5 cast xxx
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Not like deaths matter anyway.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i wandered into wyrm accidentally the other day and died :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I have done that also
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I got most of Qong explored as a low-level SC, thanks to random wanderings of aggros
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: qong doesn't have a level lock :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: or better bs mob;#5 {marbu;cast xxx}
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: easy syntax so you can adapt to mobs on the fly
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Can you set up MUSHClient to receive a certian type of mob as a target and set your macros and triggers to use that mobs nam?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: definitely
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: any client could read the mob desc
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Is something like that hard to do?  I'm not that great at scripting
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Well, don't go to far or you are botting.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: http://mushclient.com/forum/?id=9616
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: for all my skills so far i don't need the mob name once i'm in combat with it, anyway...
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Heres an example, lets say I goto amazon nation and I want to be able to dispel magic, web, or backstab amazons all day long, so I'd like to be able to set "amazon" as a target and have my BS, dispel and web macros use "amazon" as their target?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: http://mushclient.com/forum/?id=9616 :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Some muds are bot wars.  Here it seems you can getting a Lashering.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ramuthalus, you don't want to use a target for most of your spells/skills
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: you could do where you alias one to backstab amazone, then use the macro/letter for the others once in combat, couldn't you?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: once you're in combat, using a target is a bad thing
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: thats true
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: it would be more for starting off combat to speed up leveling slightly
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're using dispel amazon, and an amazon walks into the room after your backstab, you now have 2 separate amazons hitting you
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: alias k or b to backstab amazon, then
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not typing " a" won't speed anything up
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It's better to attack your target manually and then maybe a follow up combo.  What you are talking about is scripting your combat.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I use "/nuke" as my alias..."/nuke a" will use an opening move on "a", then cast 5 combat spells
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: 5 combat spells?  How does that work casting them ahead of time like that?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Sounds good to me as long as you initiate.  I've seen suspect "wanderers".
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it works fine
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it gets laggy
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: at one stage i used to play a mage on telnet on anoter MUD and managed ok with 2 letter aliases then enter for each cast of a spell... you can queue them a bit ahead of time if you can type fast enough so timing isn't an issue
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: ramuthalus, the mud lets you stack commands.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: you can send several ahead.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it helps to know your targets...if the target is immune to the spell you just stacked, you'll be standing there with just melee being useful for 5 rounds
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I've tried command stacking, but that often got me killed when I was starting out
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: But, if you get in trouble, you can die.  You can't stop what you sent.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: you reconnect and clear the buffer
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Exactly the problem I had
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but it's no more dangerous than bs;dispel;whatever else you were asking about doing ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i don't stack5 at once without quaffing a healing potion being in there...
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: or just learn how to create a clientside buffer, replete with a clear option so you don't ever stack
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: dispel is overrated, just do damage
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: abelinc Like you said, know the mob.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: What Bast said
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: dispel is just for sanc
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: thats just to save money on mana pots, :p
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I don't even bother with it for sanc, it might save you a round, 2 tops
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if you want to script like a pro, learn Aardwolf.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't level on sanc'd targets if you can help it. and don't save money on mana pots, you'll make more money by killing faster
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i do fine just not attacking sanced mobs... :P
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that too
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Seems all my CP and Quest mobs are sanced 90% of the time
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: There is a lot you can do with scripting besides breaking the rules and botting.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i do fine with b or k as an attack alias for ONE command, then hitting a macro for another command intertwined in advance with a macro for quaffing a healing potion... judging the damage taken to decide the ratio... and you could do it almost as easily with 2 letter aliases
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: shouldn't be levelling on MOBs that require you to heal during a single fight
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: qmob/cp mob/ and levelling mobs in the higher levels as a SC warrior
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol, I've done soooo much of that abe.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: anyone here tt/linux?  I've got a strange thing going on with history.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: ah, I'm going to drop and see if something isn't just screwy with all the changes I've done.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Yep, something "unknown" was wrong.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: what menus is turning of the scrollbar in cmud i know its here just cant  find it
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: turning off scrollbars is in Preferences
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: aye and under which of the 50 some options in preference
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: whatever is the second option
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: geez, you're lazy... :)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: its a gift but dont assume i wasnt here looking for the past 20 mintutes before i asked either
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I could agree if you didn't at all think to check Preferences, but if you did then it doesn't take 10 minutes, much less 20, to flip through all possible tabs in Preferences to stumble upon something with the word "scroll" in it.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ergo, once prompted to go check Preferences, you wouldn't need to follow up with "Ok, well where in Preferences is it?"
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: <<< stoned man really do ya have to be so negative or cant ya just sit back  chill 
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I'd get your money back, or perhaps bask in your ability to not appear stoned in text...
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I just do +sb
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: how to i view the gmcp command for vitals
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: viewing the variables depends on your client
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: cmud
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's sent "out of band", so it's not directly visible
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: %gmcp.char.vitals.something specific.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: %gmcp.char.vitals
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, don't need something specific
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: would you do #echo %it?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: sure, if you just want it displayed
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: im trying to make health bars
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ok i need some help i made a scan capture script and it works once then stops working i have 1 alias that reads {#alias scan #clr Scan/~scan) a trigger to capture (#trigger {scan} #c+/#gagblock) and to stop {#trigger {/scan} #c-) this is in cmud any suggestions
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How can I construct a trigger pattern that contains a * in it, without it being used as a wildcard?  I tried \* but that didn't work.  (This is with Mushclient)
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: whatever the escape character for mush, that's what you'd use.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I thought \ was the escape character, hence my confusion :/
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the value should be somewhere in the preferences.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Aha, I've just been told that I have to convert the trigger to use a regular expression
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, I just looked, there is no escape character defined for MUSH.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so I assume you normally would use whatever is used in the language your script is written in.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: on a capture script such as for friends list in cmud i have it the way i want except dont know how to prevent the 1) -  2} - from showing anyone have any help?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: put it in a non-capturing group.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: assuming it's a regex trigger.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: (?:\w+\? - )
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: (?:\w+\) - ) sorry
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: its a zscript
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but you are capturing the data with a trigger, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I don't know if you can do that using a zscript trigger.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ya a crude ont ^You are friends with
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: crude one
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, you can use a secundary regex trigger to capture the friend's name (?:\w\? - )([^$]+)$ would be the trigger.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: %1 would contain the player's name.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, you can use a secundary regex trigger to capture the friend's name (?:\w\) - )([^$]+)$ would be the trigger.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: (?:\w\) - )([^$]+)$ sorry
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: (?:\w+\) - )([^$]+)$ for numbers > 9
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ok ill try that after i get some sleep in me 
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: read the doc on multi-state triggers.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: actually the trigger would capture too much
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: (?:\w+\) - )([^\(]+) then %trim(%1) would give you the friend's namne.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: hm so maybe i dont understand mush triggers...i did ^Your eyes glaze over.$ how would be the correct way to capture and trigg off that?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: there are no capture groups so all you need to do is basically put a script in the trigger body just as you would an alias.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doesn't that message currently start with ##? and the easy way to do an anti-void trigger is to just have it send a carriage return every 10 minutes...then it doesn't have to scan every line it receives from the MUD for some text
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: it doesn't start with ##
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: how do you set up the carriage?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: k, I thought that part was added when the message was changed a couple years ago
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: He IS right about setting a timer that sends a carriage return, though.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: send ("")
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: set the timer to send to script, and that'll do it
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: cool, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i dont understand  hat is thi strigger supposed to do
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: Ok, anyone know how to install things into the mush client?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Six Six Six starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: like plugins?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: Well, I'm trying to install one of basts things.  But its not installing.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: which one?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: the cp capture window
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: did you get his whole plugin package?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: Nods, but I don't want the whole thing.  Just the cp window
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: many of his plugin work together, so you have to install everything the cp miniwindow depends on
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: Ugh, I dont want the whole package tho.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: Some of those are just dumb, and cluttered.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I think you need the tab window and the broadcast cp plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: and put bast's custom lua scripts in the lua folder
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: it lists all the requirements on each indivual page
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: I guess I'm not to smart when it comes to this crap heh
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I don't use some of them either.  Like the double and noexp ones
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: yeaaaaaaaah, i give up
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: Kinda stupid having to figure this all out
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: i dunno, it's always worked for me
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: Guess I'm just grabbing zmud later lol.  too confusing
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Hmm, but then you'll have to do the same thing in zmud, without all the prebuilt plug ins ?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: the only problem i've had with bast's plugins is when I go into the plugin install window, the stats windows errors if it tries to update
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, looking at tech -h, I see [21 Jan 02:56:26] Lywryn Tech: and put bast's custom lua scripts in the lua folder...you don't do that with bast's v5 scripts...just put the v5 folder in your plugins folder
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: oh, I put the lua folder in the lua folder and everything works fine
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: today's techie news is: They've commissioned a new series of Red Dwarf
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: what is the difference between webdesign... And offline scripting?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: I was looking around on scriptlance...and i dont even know what these programmes that people want are for...is there a course or tutorial on the different catergories of programmes that you can make?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you don't know what they're talking about, then you're soo not qualified that an online tutorial won't make any difference...
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and wow, webdesign and offline scripting aren't even remotely related
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: webdesign...designing the look and workings of web pages
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zomfg Zoranth Tech: yeah I found that Q confusing, like what is the nutritional differences betweeen socks and blueberries
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: offline scripting...well, since it says offline, that would kind of be the opposite of online
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so web pages wouldn't be part of it
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: One provides antioxidants, and the other starch and fiber
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn snickers with Mushambo about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Psycoma Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: !
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: So what would be the "eastiest" way to do a "time since last __" script in cmud?  Would it be to timestamp(for instance) when i level, sec/min/hour/day/mon/year, then as i level the next time have it calculate the difference using all the fun math. or is there a way to do time-time, or some other route?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that's the way i'd use
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: easiest would be to go to http://davos.aardcharn.com/ and use his tracker script ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Time of current level minus time of previous level is what I do
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: meh. i like writing my own stuff.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then write your own stuff while looking at what he did for the time...
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I use the %secs thing to get the times in milliseconds and then use those numbers.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: aye but that doesn't translate days...
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so i guess i could use %secs and %time(dd)
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you use a set of mod functions to change from secs to minute/hour/day/etc?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so i just have to compare day/month
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or is there a func already for that
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Psycoma Tech: how do you shut off wimnsows in the mush client?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Psycoma Tech: how do you shut off windsows in the mush client?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: shut them off?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: uninstall the plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Psycoma Tech: like the score window
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I don't use it, but I thought there were little close boxes like on regular windows?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: file -> plugins, select aardwolf_statmon, click disable
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the getting started miniwindow is the only one with a close box
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: part of the advantage of miniwindows is that they don't need to waste real estate with borders & titlebars & such where the close boxes would be
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: hmm, i thought there was some key combo, like ctrl+D or ctrl+f5 that would close the individual windows..
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you aren't on a selected window for mushclient to know what you want the key combo to refer to
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this is miniwindows, not actual mushclient windows
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: non-miniwindows have close boxes & stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: okay, i'm confusing mini-windows with actual windows. got it
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: l
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: is someone using bast cp miniwindow, I activated the pluguins but I can see the miniwindow
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: er, can't
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: is it hidden behind another miniwindow?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: nope, checked
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The One Qaddosh Tech: i don't use that plugin, but does it require some sort of output to create the window?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I imagine you'd need to be on a campaign..
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: I had the same problem, so I deleted it and quit messing with it.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, he's on a campaign, but have you done cp check yet?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: I'm in cp
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The One Qaddosh Tech: i have a quest plugin that i have to get output from 'quest info' for the window to initially draw
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although the window itself should be visible, just blank, if you haven't
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: if I type cp check it doesn't appear
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: founded :P
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: hmm, another question I just remorted but the bast's spellup trigger is activaded for all spells, so how can I refresh it?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try spellup all or spellup full
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: spellup help should give you a command synopsis
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: is there a way to turn off the hand holding msgs on quit aka you are holding items you can't save with :P
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: alias bye quit quit
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: so let me get this straight there is no flag babysit off?
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Best you can do at the moment, yep
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: I not babysit, if you not able to do for self, don't come to me.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: No I am just surprised there is not an auto option for this.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: Just type quit quit instead of quit. Pretty simple fix.
T3/r2/2011-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: most players know how to quit without getting those messages. I've only seen that message twice in 5 years.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: any one here familiar with the Mush Client? i want the text i put into the input box to be remembered after i hit enter
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: alt+0, click "keep command on input line" and "enter repeat" checkboxes
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: On top, goto game -> configure -> commands -> check the auto repeat box
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: Or do what burger said :)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Qask Tech: game>configure>commands and check "auto repeat" and "keep commands on prompt"
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Cheez: what "enter repeat" checkbox?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: what does keep commands on prompt line doo?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soapy Lother Tech: Auto-Repeat Command. Check that.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: ok the auto repeat box being checked does what i want it to. thank you all so much but what does the keep commands on prompt do?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Keeps it so it shows what hitting enter will send
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: ah thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: any one know a way to reduce the size of the title bar in the much clients minimap window?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: much*
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: no idea, don't use it
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: lol i cant type it seams mush**
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: been reading about M-theory and 10-dimensional space, if that helps
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I like notepad++ for looking at MUSHclient plugins.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: I'd put in another vote for Notepad++.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: blah. it's way harder to put together a laptop when you weren't the one who took it apart :\
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: that is very true lol
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: unless it's an ibm, of course
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but i'm looking at an fujitsu amilo that's completely stripped
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: quick, put some clothes on it!
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but hey, at least i got all the liquor off
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: soaked it in pure isopropyl 2-propanol
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: (it's the same lappie i was talking about couple of days ago)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: where did you get pure isopropanol?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: my friend works in the university's lab
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you can get all kinds of great stuff from there
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ether, acetone, aspirin :P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you can get isopropyl from record collectors
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they use it to clean vinyl
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: record collectors? i'm a record collector :\
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i've used distilled water and carbon brushes tho
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: the highest i've seen is 94%, but I'm sure a lab would have a more pure solution
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, i don't think it's pure
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but it's the purest university lab has
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i guess it's good enough
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and hey, i live in estonia. the place where the purest ethanol ever is made :P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: yeah, it's really hard to seperate water from alcohol completely since they form an azeotrope
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: purest vodka made in estonia according to guinness was 98%
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: and i bet it's really freaking expensive
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 98% proof or by volume?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: petty sure it's by volume
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: by volume, of course ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i haven't seen it stores
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: proof is not a percentage... 
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: doesn't that just make it 'grain alcahol'?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or 'potato alcahol'?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't think it's legal to sell it without prescription or something
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ethanol
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: 98% can run an engine
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i wish consumer-grade wireless routers understood the concept of qos
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: whats the name of this site that lets you post code for others to review?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: pastebin?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's one of them, yup
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: bt vision boxes can't be unlocked, can they?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, was wondering what the heck a bluetooth vision box was...I guess you're talking about a brit telecom cable box
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: answer is yes they can, but it's not worth the hassle
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (by the looks of the comments on tah interweb)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tiny Sergei Tech: Hey, I'm having some Aard client issues.  I see markup tags
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: type TAGS OFF
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tiny Sergei Tech: like {coords}3,12,3 below the names of rooms
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you can do this individually for each tag category, as expressed in the TAGS list
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: basically, the new aard client gets the info in a silent way, instead of using the tags...the last aard client used tags, so it was set to gag them automatically
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tiny Sergei Tech: thanks  i gues it was because i hadn't played in a long time and was using the old client
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, the old aardmush client, and probably pretty much any of the good plugins from that era, made sure the tags were turned on so that they could be gagged when encountered.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tiny Sergei Tech: s
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tiny Sergei Tech: thanks.  I seem to recall the old one did some kind of setup, but it had been so long ago I didn't know how to fix it.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: anyone got a favorite place for buying laptop parts (especially motherboards) online?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: tigerdirect, newegg
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galia Tech: newegg
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: newegg.com
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: sometimes amazon is cheaper than newegg
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: but newegg has gooood customer service
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I haven't had any problems with Amazon either, so it's worth checking both (especially if you live outside of the US)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: right now i have motherboards for older series laptops in mind
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: oh... wait, a motherboard for a laptop?  that's a little less common.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't bother is the answer
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: sometimes you can find them on alibaba, but they don't have that model
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: shipping's prolly gonna be your issue...if it's for older lappie, dunno that you'd end up any cheaper buying the mobo + shipping vs getting a bottom-end current/refurb lappy
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I'm inclined to agree... if it's more than 5 years old, probably not worth it. 
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh well
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'll take it apart one more time, check all the damn cables, see if i got all the liquor off the mobo and then try to boot it again
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hell, i'm getting paid ether way
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, it's still this issue...yeah, easier decisions with OPM :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i've been taking it slow
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: took a while until i got some pure propanol to wash the damn thing
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: my only problem is that i'm not getting the got-a-bricked-laptop-working-again bonus :(
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: this is for work?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: of course its work :P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: then don't waste another minute of time on it... seriously.  It costs more to pay you per hour than it does to replace the laptop.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's for a friend tho
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and i like to get things working again. right now this pile of junk is laughing at me :'(
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: so am I
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir sniffs sadly.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: laptops are notoriously unrepairable
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but it's the first one in months that i haven't been able to fix
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: of course, i usually get lappies with broken fans, keyboards or heat damaged gpu's
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: people would break power sockets and wonder why they were so expensive to sort out
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: way easier to fix than syrupy mobo
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've had my dad resolder power sockets on my laptops a few times...gotta give Apple major kudos on the mag design for cutting down on the number 1 source of non-drop-or-spill failures in laptops
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm pretty sure #1 would be problems from overheating
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and people buying hp/compaq :P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: rofl
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You snicker softly.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or buying a local brand that buys it's lappies from mongolia
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: soo d
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I killed a laptop battery recently by overheating
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: one of the "real" brand name i managed to figure out from serial numbers was a chinese company called "laptop"
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No you didn't, you killed the battery by discharging it too many times
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: It was a brand new battery, I'm not a complete idiot. 
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: can you explain, please?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: how did you kill your battery with overheating? did you put it in an oven or something?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That would fall under 'total idiot', I think
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: laptop dying on my mother's laptop causes the keyboard and mouse to die if you leave it plugged in, most peculiar
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: my compaq finally died from attrition
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i could fix it, but it's really not worth it
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not pculiar at all, really
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: intelligent batteries are a pain in the arse
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: dunno why they have to complicate things so much
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's the power source quality and probably conductive chassis with not enough isolation
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: work bought a lot of laptops to replace workroom computers...they never leave the dock...batteries fried in about 6 months
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: my touchpad goes insane when i use the power plug in long distance busses
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they replaced desktops with lappies? are they mad?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: they make line conditioners for this sort of problem
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup tiger
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's a popular move, nuts
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: sounds stupid
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i see more laptops than desktops in offices these days
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can be a nice concept for flexibility, but staff just continued to use them as desktops
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It's only really worthwhile if you actually have staf that go elsewhere
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they're toying with the idea of switching to thin clients at work
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Citrix?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: no idea
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a library system, so the staff do go elsewhere for outreach, go out to the front desk where an extra station can help during busy times, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: where are you going to find a thin client in the US?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You fall to the floor laughing at Swalec's remark.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he's not in the us
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: was that a fat joke? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup newb
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yes, but he should be, because then the gag works better
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the savings on hardware costs, licensing, and power consumption could be considerable
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doesn't usually save on licensing, but does on the other 2
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You don't really save on the hardware costs, the thin clients are just as expensive because they're "specialty hardware"
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they aren't
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The makers consider them to be.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: in fact you could use your ancient desktops with the drives hoiked out
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it depends what people are using -- I think the main reason for thin clients is management costs
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you can get energy efficient thin client boxes for under $100
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, if you're using deprecated hardware instead of thin hardware then you're not saving on power consumption
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, abe, but it means you can fit it into your normal hardware replacement schedule
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Exactly.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but my compaq laptop requires a new pcmcia socket, wifi card, hard drive, optical drive, and battery
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: decided it wasn't worth fixing again
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Jeebus, what'd you do to it?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I don't think I've stuck in a pc card in a couple years now
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well it is 13 years old
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it was the hdd going that finally killed it, the pc-card slot and wifi card broke because i accidentally bashed into it
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (after deciding it wasn't worth fixing)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the optical drive was found to have died after trying to reload the os :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and the battery is a laptop battery, they never last past their warranty period in any meaningful way
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I still have an 8x external SCSI CDROM with pccard...takes 6 AA batteries & has built-in speakers...big & clunky but a workable discman ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: manuf. oct '96
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i had a zip drive once
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: dunno what happened to it
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I have a 40 mb IDE hard drive that still works.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if it was like mine it ate up all the tape disks and you threw it away in disgust.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i have a pile of those :P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh, btw, another interesting task - i have a dell optiplex. no idea what's on the hdd, onboard video is busted, but everything else seems to be fine (it seems to boot when you listen to the hdd). i want to turn it into a fileserver/seedbox, but first i need to install linux on it
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: headless mode from scratch (since it'll probably take a month before i get a new graphics card that fits that small chassis.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: does it have a graphics slot?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: tl
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: tl;dr version - i need to install linux on a headless machine over ssh
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just connect the hard drive to a different computer, throw on linux, then return it to this box
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: can't. i'm fresh out of desktops
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doesn't need to be a desktop
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you've using a pc, can't you use that?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i have nowhere to plug the drive right now
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: you could use a kickstart CD
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: best device ever: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=2020
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: currently i have - 1 working laptop, that optiplex and 2 laptops worth of hardware lying around on the floor
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: for the arguments (and laziness') sake, lets say i have to install headless
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as newb mentioned, use a live CD
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: can't you use your working laptop as said server?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: a preconfigured kickstart CD can be made so that installs the OS with no prompts -- a live CD would allow you to SSH into the machine remotely.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, the only things i can connect to the optiplex are power and lan. that's it
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Or you could set up a boot disk that would throw a console on serial
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No serial?  Damn.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: liveCD, look at the dhcp leases (or guess in your range) for its IP address, ssh into it, run the installer from there if you don't want to keep running it from liveCD
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hmm. is there live cd that starts the system automatically with ssh?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: anyway, currently looking into kickstart
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you tried remote desktoping into it when it's booted?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I know ubuntu does
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, no i haven't
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: look at the Live CD first, because that way you can see whats on the HDD prior to reformatting
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'll at least let you know that the hardware is OK so far
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: of course, i could wait until the graphics card arrives, get my damn keyboards back (you never give them away "only for a day or two", btw) and boot it like a normal person
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but where's the fun in that?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's only fun if you can leave the box lying around in scattered pieces before giving up.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: for extra enjoyment, hide the install disks.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: actually, can't boot from a cd/dvd since i'm out of blank discs
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so that leaves usb boot
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: with no access to bios
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I garner from your comments that you actually live in a sealed cave, with no access to computer stores?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: get out and get a job, buy a proper miniserver? :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so i probably have to remove hdd and cdrom for it too boot :P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, estonians live in caves, that's true. but it's almost midnight and i'm afraid the computer-caves are closed
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: just looking for something to do with the resources i currently have access to
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: do you have a belt, some chewing gum, a broken mirror, and some petroleum jelly?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: almost, just need to break the mirror
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Hi, so, how do I unbold my command entry area in Mushclient? Not sure what I did for this to happen :p
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Could admins here find out and be willing too to figure out what my charname from years back was? I know the ip-adres from where I played (static), the password, the roundabout dates of when I was here, I could tell them encoding that chars password is same as this one.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You can write to "imm" on personal.  Don't hold your breath though.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: send a note to imm
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A piece of Sakata Tech: send an email
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: you might use the personal board (board personal) and write a note to imms (note write)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A piece of Sakata Tech: err, yes imm note
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 2 people on 'who sucker'
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but i think only lasher deals with that kind of stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: yeah figured, I won't then it's not important enough
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: got windows 7, mushclient. how do i get that spellup trigger again?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I really like these new features runto, spellups, this really makes it easier getting back into this :)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: how long were you gone?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the academy would be a good place to go to get back into things as well :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: A long time, I came back at one point in V2, but it was really short, life was too busy then and forgot again, like 2002
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: definately v1 before there was even talk about a v2. I remember alot of alt-tabbing and copy/pasting :)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: awesome, for weird reasons my CPU on my laptop is spiking to 72 celcius
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: tis a laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: yep
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: usually at around 45-47
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: laptops are thermally inefficient
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: tried cleaning out the vents
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: true, but this seems weird
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anything showing unusual activity in task manager?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: running something 3d?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: not that I can see
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so your cpu usage is low
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I'll try restarting it, it's acting weird anyways 
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: no, its at 50-57%
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that is high
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: shouldn't be
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rathik Tech: That's high, because you probably have a dual-core
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: it is a dual-core yes
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rathik Tech: Look at the process list and see what's taking so much, perhaps
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i hope you're using it at a desk...
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: wtf.. 
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: 'Antimalware Service Executable' taking 50%
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you have Microsoft Security Essentials installed?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's doing a scan
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm changing all the colors of the text and I'm trying to figure out how to change the color of room descriptions but haven't trouble
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: MSE is killing my PC.. Guess it's back to AVG :P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I like avira
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How is MSE killing your PC?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, anyone able to explain this strange behavior? Whenever my computer is pulgged into AC power, the wifi is fine. When it's unplugged the wifi becomes very very laggy.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: If I don't kill it, it freezes up my pc
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: started doing it out of nowhere
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: have you looked at your power settings?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Yes.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: no, but it's not that
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: No options dealing with wifi
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: crnogorac: Is it the latest edition of MSE?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: yea
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: are you running it on a marginal comp?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: Which is why it's weird. Or is it a common issue?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: no not at all
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: k
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: it worked perfectly,  until today
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Do your wifi drivers have their own special config utility (ie. Not using windows wifi manager)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: for 3 months
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: hmm
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: not sure what's wrong, perhaps it has a virus
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: nod, I'm using some lenovo connection utility
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: but that shouldnt interfere with my AV, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: a virus would almost certainly interfere with your av.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: if it can't remove it
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: nod, was talking about the wifi suggestion
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That wasn't aimed at your problem, sorry.  That was for Cheezburger.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I tried uninstalling, and installing it again
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: oh, cheezburger is having a problem with his wifi
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: but it did exactly the same
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: ah
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: heez are you plugged into anytype of adapter or surge protection?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I think you've probably got an issua with power options of some sort also
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: issue
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: is it possible to get a virus that doesn't allow a AV?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sure, there's crapware out there that targets AV software
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: out of nowhere? :-/
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: whatcha mean? there are various forms of unwanted software that can disable or "fight" AV
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: the problem came while mudding, so there's no way i could've gotten it
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Get yourself a bootable copy of memtest and let it run through a few dozen passes. Maybe you've just got hardware failure.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: only thing I downloaded was something from IBM's homepage, so that should be safe
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: it only fails when I have an AV installed
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: so it can't be the hardware?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's false logic, but ok.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: I feel like you're omitting information, because I don't think telnet can be an attack vector, and even if it was, I doubt anyone would waste their time developing spyware to be sent via zmud or something. Maybe you should read the help file for whatever you got from IBM? Maybe it asks you to disable AV software during installation? YOu are being really vague.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I never said it could've come through zmud
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I mentioned it as proof that I wasn't watching porn or doing anything that could get me a virus
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: telnet and hacking go hand and hand
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm pretty sure he hasn't been hacked through something to do with muds or telnet though
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Mmm
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: has anybody had mushclient on wine just lock-up and stop responding?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I had trouble with it until I disabled COM.  (Add /wine as a command line switch)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: shall try that
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: test
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: 85%
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: read you 5X5
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: kool
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: anyone on here? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: aye
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I need some help
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I can't connect to MSN messenger on my Mac
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: but I can on my Windows machine
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: checked/doublechecked, dont have any firewall settings on my Mac turned on at all
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you change something recently?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: have you ever been able to?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: er, moved house
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you change something on the computer recently?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: is your Mac turned on?  (kidding)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I get an Error: Socket is not connected when I try connecting via Adium
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: and Sign in fail on Microsoft Messenger
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: can you connect to websites on the mac?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: yes I can
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: no problems with surfing or RSS feeds 
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: can you connect via their in-browser messenger app thing?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: no problems with torrents either
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: where's that, Myrkul
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no clue :P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just know they have it
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I can connect if I change settings on adium, from port 1863 to port 80 and checking "connect via HTTP" but then it will drop out after a while
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: anyone? :(
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: try port 442 and 8080
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: connect via HTTP? or no?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: click on your account, choose the options tab, then change the port from 80 or whatever it was to 442
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: and try 8080 
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: sorry you might have to hit edit first to get to the options tab
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I wouldn't do either of those
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you try restarting your router?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: yes 
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: thing is, my Windows notebook connected to the same router works
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: is this a home network or school/work network?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: home.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: could be a port forwarding issue in the router firewall... your machines probably got switched IP addresses (assuming DHCP) when you reconnected them.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I dont have any port forwarding turned on at all
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: seems unlikely though
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I bet it's a problem with your router firmware
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: so I should update the router firmware?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or downgrade
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: if it worked before, why would it suddenly be a firmware problem?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: neutrinos
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: no ive never used this router till i moved here
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: but they're massless, and would not interact with the router.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: just trying it disabling and enabling, that way the hardware will reset itself.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: neutrinos affect electronic devices all the time
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos raises an eyebrow at Ol' Dirty Fiendish's weird actions.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: don't forget cosmic rays.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: solar flares
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: ..
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: is it common to not be able to see the dark blue ascii color on an LCD monitor?  All the rest of the colors are fine...
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your colors are completely customizable inside your client
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I wouldn't consider that common, though
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suppose it depends on how far away you sit
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Hmm, its a big LCD so I'm about 8 feet from the screen...
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: how big
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: 38'
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: 38 feet?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's not nearly large enough to merrit sitting 8 feet away
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: merit
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: you should be closer, within 6 feet
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Lol, 38" I missed the shift
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: more like 5
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: or wear glasses :)
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: 5 feet from the screen?  I'd have to turn my head to mud, Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: That's about the normal ratio
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I see...
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: further than that and you are straining your eyes
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: you'd sit about 6-8 with a 52
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ahh, I see
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: further than that and you can't destriguish HD
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: it felt comfortable, but I can move closer
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I wouldn't MUD on a television, but that's just me
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: distinguish
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Its all I have at the moment, beter then nothing I guess
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I enjoy sitting in a gigantic bean bag chair while I'm on my computer
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I even sit in one at work
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which is why I have many laptops
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Lol, I can't find any in adult size :p
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: where I also have a 52 inch screen
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Is there a command line option for gnome-terminal to set 'always on top' by default?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I have my client spawn the appropriate windows when i load it up, i'd like to be able to have them autoset priority levels as well, been doing it manually so far
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: well I do a bit more than mudding and I'm not going to use my laptop infront of my desktop just to mud
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: there's more than mudding?!?!
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger runs away in utter terror!
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: what would I do without my FPS
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Probably what i do. Lots of movies and hulu :P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I would be jobless
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: insert an A between F and P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger snickers with Newbie about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: That's my job!
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: oh I'm T9 at that.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: The T9s are t100s at that :P
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: How do you check in mushclient if a variable name exists?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just try to get the variable? if it doesn't it returns nil iirc
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I need to make an if check of whether portal3 is defined, MMmmm so could do if GetVariable <> nil?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: is nil a valid constant?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'd just do if getvariable then blahblahblah
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: assuming lua
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I want to make it not throw an error
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it shouldn't throw an error
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if it's nil then it just won't execute the then statement
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Oh gotcha, use nil as a logical operator
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: will try
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Does group GMCP module still output spaces into the main world?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Was going to utilize it for something, but don't want the spam
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: output spaces?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, the bug note about it
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: We confirmed accross several clients
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I haven't noticed it.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: hmm, someone knows if I can use the automapper in mush to find rooms?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mapper find
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: is a plugin?
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but then again I haven't really fought in groups much.
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: It's the command
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: If you have the GMCP mapper, then just type "mapper find <room>"
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: is there a site where i can view qp earned mud output?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the wiki
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: thnks
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but using gmcp would be easier for that anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i would like to but i dont know how to capture info from the gmcp for the script im writing
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: its basically a qp goal counter
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/GMCP - look at the comm.quest part
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: actually... http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/GMCP#aard_comm_questevents :P
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: so if i wanted it to pull from that i would use %gmcp.com.quest and the trigger im using cmud?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: in the trigger
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: make a gmcp trigger, comm.quest for the pattern
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: then if you're only interested in the completion, to check how many qps you got, do #if (%gmcp.comm.quest.action = "comp") {blah blah}
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ok and what about other sorces of qp gain
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: regular triggers?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: what happens if you both share your screen in skype with it on full screen
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: wormhole.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Blue screen instead, I bet.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: while in webcam chat with the webcams pointed at the screen
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: FCC fine, in that case.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: What isn't.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: data is data.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: they'll have ass whiping rules one day
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: wiping
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: whipping
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: that too
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fachtna Tech: anyone know how to create an additional window in the new aard mush client?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You mean another window for a new connection, or a mini window like the stat monitor?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fachtna Tech: mini window for my old spellup plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Those are created by the "miniwindow"function, check out one of the plugins for examples
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/doc.php?general=miniwindows
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Working with Mushclient/LUA/SQLite.  I have used DatabasePrepare, DatabaseStep in a few different locations in my plugin, and each step returned sqlite3.DONE, then at the end I DatabaseFinalize() and it returns sqlite3.OK.  Yet it is not inserting anything into the database?  Am I doing something wrong?  I am doing a step after each prepared insert SQL statement, is that not the right way?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: in zmud, i had a trigger to mark specified text, like this
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: #TRIGGER {{@enemy}} {#COLOR %eval(%color(red,bright)+%color(blink))}
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: with two aliases to decide what text to mark and to turn it off
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: would it be too hard to convert to mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: i cant get anything to work in mush that's why i ask :P
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: So how the heck do I get data from a SQL Search query that only returns one row in Mushclient/SQLLite?  I'm trying DatabaseColumnValues but that is nil, even though when I use the exact same query in SQLIte manager it works fine?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's some function, I forget the name of it, that gives a row iterator
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and then you loop over it
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Problem I'm running into is that all the loops test agains this condition while rc == sqlite3.ROW  do, but when the first result returned is the first and only row the row returns sqlite3.DONE, which means it is done executing and tehre are no more rows.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so don't do it that way?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Seems like the iterator is from the Lua SQLite Interface, I'm going to try to switch up to using that hopefull it isn't too much of a pain to switch over http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=9241.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What were you using before?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Had been following these directions: http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=9262
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are some examples if you take a peek inside the gmcp mapper plugin of two different ways of doing this, iirc
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Oh thanks will do, I had looked in there earlier, but it seemed a little more complicated to me, sort of mixing SQL and Variables from LUA.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: But in the end probably cleaner to do it that way.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zcrim Tech: how do i remove a script that i have imported?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Be more specific.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and don't crosspost
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: dont crossdress too
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zcrim Tech: well i imported a spellup script into zmud, and it isnt working properly so i would like to disable or remove it
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hit ctrl-G and delete the classes and other settings associated with it
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zcrim Tech: ty
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Thanks for helping me walk through this earlier tech :)  Switched it over the LUA SQL Lite wrapper, and it's all working now.  That would have saved me hours of tinkering had I just done it earlier :)
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Anybody familiar with VNC behind a router?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: sounds like you need to forward ports
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: yeah, i had to do that the other day, just have to set up port forwarding to forward VNC ports (usually there's a preconfigured setting in your router)
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Ok, so here are the problems I have: I have a desktop and a laptop at home
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I generally set the default ports for the desktop and something different for the laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Example: conections to router:22 go to desktop:22, connections to router 20022 go to laptop 20022
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I would like to have a ssh-vnc access to the laptop, so do I need to open another one of those?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: 25800 - 25800 and sniff the 25800 laptop port?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: or is there any way to make an ssh connection to the laptop and somehow set it so that it's tunneled through that connection?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I didn't do VNC over ssh, I just used the default VNC ports, which may not be very secure
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: well, that's what I am trying to avoid
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: ssh has key security, vs 8 chars security on regular vnc
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: So, if I have my router configured to forward 20022 to my laptop 20022, and I did ssh -p 20022 -L 5900:localhost:5900 usernameaptop
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: where exactly would links to localhost:5900 go? to laptop 5900 or to router 5900?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: ssh -p 20022 -L 5900:localhost:5900 username@laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: You're a bit beyond my expertise, my thought would be to use nmap from your linux box to probe the ports and ensure they're open
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: may also depend on the routing tables on insert-machine-here.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: can theoretically have even local traffic go out to the router first, before being routed back to the machine, though that wouldn't be a default setup.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: route -n from a command line, I think, would show you the routing tables on the machine.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: sorry, route PRINT, on a Windows box (XP).
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Well, I can manually decide who gets what is send to specific ports, which is what I do to simultaneously being able to ssh the desktop and the laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I do not worry much, since ssh are secure ports
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: now a vnc port is different, it is secured only by a password
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: and those are very weak
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: one option would be to tunnel through ssh, but I am a bit confused as to how to accomplish that behind a firewall
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: without having to open more ports through the router
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zcrim Tech: Anyone have a good zmud spellup script they would recommend?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Spellup learned.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the mudside one is probably the most efficient
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger danj for a tags-based zmud spellup script
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: I actually set up a clientside alias to hit the spells in the order I want them cast.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Where is the configuration file, in Ubuntu, located that determines what keyboard shortcuts do what?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eloa Tech: I am very new and got aard from the website, is there some way to close some of these extra windows so it is less confusing?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Which ones do you want to get rid of? They're plugins, which you can disable.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eloa Tech: perhaps one of the two maps to start would be good :)
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Really? But they're so useful.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eloa Tech: usefull yes agreed but with so many boxes overlapping even when resized I am finding it difficult
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: OK, well - if you go to the File menu, then choose Plugins, you can disable some of the plugins.  (Use Disable instead of Remove, so you can always turn them back on later if you choose)
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: i find mudlet's interface (with the mudlet aardwolf plugin) to be much cleaner, but less customizable.
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eloa Tech: ok thank you both very much for the info :)
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You're very welcome
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: anyone know how to exctract the audio to ogg/mp3 off an flv from youtube?
T3/r2/2011-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: google does
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: why am i seeing {help} {helpbody} {/helpbody} {/help} when using the aard much client
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "tags helps off"
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the old aard mushclient had a plugin that used those tags to pop up helps in a separate window...the current one doesn't use that plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: is that for capturing stuff in windows?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: A pity, I liked that plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: lol that answered the question i think :P
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can still use it, it just doesn't ship with it
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: i remember your name abelinc from when i first started playing years ago (having played this char in over 3 years)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: you used to help me with alot of my questions back then :P
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I never go anywhere ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: morinon, to get the helpfiles in a different window when using the latest aard mush, go to this page: http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/plugins/Aardwolf/, download the "Aardwolf Help.xml" file, put it into your worlds/plugins directory, go to file -> plugins, click add, and select that file
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: will an alias interupt a command i send to the server and instead send somthing else? like if i type kill target and hit enter will the server recieve BS Target?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: what's sent is sent. The send to the server is atomic.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you can trap the stuff from the command line and send something else, but once sent it's gone.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sooper, yes, if you make an alias for "kill *", and have the action be "bs %1", then what you're looking for will happen
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sorry, what I described was a MUSHclient alias...if you just type "alias kill bs", then that MUD-side alias will do the same thing
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: thank you so much
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for the MUSHclient-side one, you'd go to game -> configure -> aliases, click add, put "kill *" in the top small box, and put "bs %1" into the bottom big box...I find MUD-side aliases fine for my attacks, but an advantage of client-side aliases is that they can contain multiple commands...just hit enter between commands to put them onto the next line
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Oh, hahaha. I had no idea there were mud-side aliases. Cool, but I'll stick with client side so I can maintain control (heh).
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: is there a way to see previously setup mud-side alias?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type alias
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can have up to 40 mud-side aliases
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: ty
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: lol i forgot all about makeing these alias years ago
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You snicker with him about your shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: used them a lot when I played on telnet for 6 months :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I still use mud-side aliases..."im" is my best fire attack at the moment, "mi" is my best acid attack, cl is my current heal, etc (im for immolate, mi for miasma, cl for cure light)...that way I only need to remember one command per damtype throughout the mort
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: most of the aliases I have still working are old sws :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: The Keep of Man Tor?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sws are tough to do as aliases, since they're often multiple commands
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: they are copy/paste from the old Iwuvaard sws :) we are talking V2 here :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if they had a sep, I didn't alias them.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how can i make my client auto buff me again?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: when a spellup wares off it casts that spellup again automatically?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: help spellup
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: ahh for that you need a spellup plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: yes. where can i get one again?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: depends on your client
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i have mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: finger bast and follow the link in his profile
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: zmud or mushclient or something else
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: mush
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: then what scandalar said
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: done. i downloaded it
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: now what do i install on plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Read the documentation on the same site.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: think i messed up again
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: Spellups list contains or or more problems. List not changed.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: 'spellup help' for right syntax
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: it aint working. dam i screwed up again
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: okay i removed that plugin and its working now
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: You removed the spellup plugin and it is working now? You sure you're not using the aardwolf spellup then?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i need to do the pluggin reinstall again
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i think i did it wrong
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: im trying again
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: File > Plugins > Select the plugin (or browse for it) and see what messages appear on screen
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: It needs some other plugins to function decently, those should be mentioned when reinstalling the spellup plugin..
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i cant find the telnet_options.lua
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: All required files should be included in the client on Bast's site (as it is working for me perfectly :) )
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i saved it in the same directory but its not listed here
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Check out the subfolders, or use your OS to locate the file.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: it tells me Set spellups list to all 8 possible spellups. so its working, but now it doesnt want to cast them
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: have you got a carriage return at the end of your prompt?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Make sure to be awake, make sure to 'spellup resume' (if held for some reason).. And if all that fails, try restarting the mass client.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: mush* client, that is.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: according to bast the cr at end of prompt is main reason for issues
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: ai i did all the instructions it still doesnt want to cast them
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Maybe you're affected by your spells already?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: It won't cast when the affacts are already there, you see. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: ill quickly check
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: lol thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Affects are on, I presume.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: my mistake
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thanks and i appologize for spamming
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thanks for all the help eceryone:)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: everyone*
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: No prob, here to help.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: nope that wasnt the problem. i died then tried to spellup but the spells dont cast
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: Requested (8): Armor, Detect invis, Detect magic, Protection evil, Protection good, Shield, Mental barrier, Underwater breathing
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: then it shows  You have not requested any spellups.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Go to sleep and wake up again.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: still nothing
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: And they are not listed under affects? Try 'spellup fast' and 'spellup resume' then..
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: then it says no pending spellups
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: oh well guess ill remove the plugin. thanks though
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: wonder why it is that the java client applet on the aard website always takes exactly 3 disconnect-connect attempts to work
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: 3rd time is a lucky charm
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Fluffy) NeoFluffy Tech: #if farkyss then 3 + 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's not very well written, but does allow me to do my cp at work at lunchtime
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: How do i set an way for me to AUTO-NIMBLE ? (TRIGGER)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: how do i make an auto "nimble" trigger
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: If you're meaning to automatically cast 'nimble cunning', just add it to spellup, no?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: no when my nimble wears off ( You feel less cunning )
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: That's quite client dependant.. Or you can make it a habit to spellup once in a while, if it has worn off by then it'll be reapplied..
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: or you use Mushclient and bast's plugins..
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: im using the Mushclient for aardwolf :) 
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: finger Bast and check out the link provided..
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: How do i make an Auto_Nimble Trigger for Mushclient when nimble wears off (you feel a little less cunning ) ?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i suppose a really rudimentary script would be to trigger nimble on the wear off message..
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Tell me how ?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: read up on your client documentation on triggers
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: i did its tooo Confusing
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: how so?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Its not Tutorial like at all just shows examples 
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just look at the example, and what it does to make something happen?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the basic trigger basicly works by seeing something from the mud, and automatically outputting a certain command
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: i give ill never learn triggers
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i have tried and done everything this stupid spellup plugin doesnt want to work
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what is the sympton?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: it gives a pge full of errors and makes my aard restart
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: where did you download it from?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Bast are you the Plugin maker for Aardwulf ?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the? there are several people who make mushclient plugins for aardwolf.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i just deleted it and reinstalled aard. i went and googled it
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ok, if you have errors, then copy/paste them to pastebin.com and give me the url
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Bast do u know how can i make an Auto-Nimble Trigger ?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: same place where i got it the first time i played but this time it doesnt want to work
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: use my spellup plugin, you can do skills as well as spells with my spellup plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: page?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: http://bastmush.googlecode.com
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Bast, I already directed him to your site, and mentioned to read the info, but I fear ignorance is the big problem here.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's advenchurer, after all ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Bast i went there and downloaded the Plugins but its not what im looking for
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Im not ...How rude !!!
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what is "not what you are looking for"?, there is a spellup plugin in my zip file download that you can use to do nimble cunning automatically
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: okay where do i go from there?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: o ....hold on...btw u said "MY PLUGIN"...WE HAVE A LEGEND in the MUD people !! all hail BAST 
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: it just shows the plugins that are available
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: go to the installation page
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: latest stable from Download page 
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: there?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: are you running the lastest client from the aardwolf homepage?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: where do i save it?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: whereever you want to
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i think so 
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: then you unzip the file into your <mushclientinstallationdir>/worlds/plugins/  folder
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Bast what is the XML Name of the Spellup ?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: nm i see it
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: this pc is annoying i dont know where i saved it
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: okay then what?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you have copied the contents of the zip file into your worlds/plugins folder?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: yes its v5?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech:  Bast Yes i have but i see it when i browse not wh to load the pluginen i try
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: then goto File->Plugins, Add, and then pick the spellup plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thank you
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: stealthshade, I didn't understand what you said, can you be more specific?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: Thank you! it worked. thanks bast
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no problem
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech:  Bast ok at the Load for Speelup enter Colossus How ?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Yet again, Dashiell peers intently at StealthShade.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Run-time error
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I've got one minor unimportant issue to report, everytime I go into afk mode and idle out, then login again, it seems to want to check things but it can't because afk mode is still set.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: copy.paste the error to pastebin.com and give me the url so I can look at it
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Yeah, that's normal I assume, some of the startup commands can't be cast while afk..
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: 'can't be cast' meaning entered on command line.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yeah, the status stuff isn't exactly perfect since it was written before gmcp, I am working on a new miniwindow version written from scratch
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Line 2084: Error parsing script (Cannot load)  BAST  <<<<<
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I understood :) , it's not important, but if it was resolved it'd be 100% bugfree (at least for me playing with a week or so now)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: copy and paste the error to pastebin.com and give the url, please do not copy the error onto the Tech channel
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Oh that reminds me is there someway to combat the effect that when you walk around in a random exit maze, it just stops updating the map?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what maze are you having this problem in, haven't seen it
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I understand it does some depth-first algorytm trying to match the id of the room because there is no simple link, but I can actually notice it slow down significantly. I'm running the latest version from the repository
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: your talking the aardmapper? not the minimap?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah sorry has nothing to do with spellup, i mean the aardmapper itself. probably not the drawing algoryth
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: any maze? or a particular maze?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: only random exit mazes
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: and only when I land in a room that i can't look up directly
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: that 'it' the mapper
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Makes sense to me, the mud moves you in a random direction and then it has to look up which room you landed in, if I drink my coffee I'll soon remember where it was really bad yesterday.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: hmm, will have to do some testing, so can't answer right now
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: The area with enter mandala, erm, bad memory lol.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I was just walking around the main streets outside the castle walls.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Bleh you know I'll pay some attention and write up a decent analysis, before I confuse the heck out of you :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ok, thanks :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: bast why does it take so long for the spells to cast?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: define long pleaes
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: im waiting for the next one to cast and it takes about 3 minutes
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you sleep/stand, does it immediate cast?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i am standing
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you goto sleep then stand, does it immediately cast?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: do you have a %c at the end of your prompt? check "config"
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: Your game prompt is  : [%h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %qqt %Xtnl] > 
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: then no, you don't have a %c at the end of you prompt
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: then what do i do
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: "prompt [%h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %qqt %Xtnl] >%c" without the quotes 
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what does your battle prompt say?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: still isnt spelling me up
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: Your battle prompt is: [Fighting: %h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %Xtnl%b ]> 
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: add a %c at the end of your battle prompt also
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Hey, speaking of which, can I view the current prompt setups so I can put a return at the end?  that always aggrivated me about the defaults
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: also type "spellup refresh" and see if it starts again
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Ramuthalus: type "config"
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: type config, you'll see your prompts at the end
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: not working:(
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: have you added any requested spells?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Try casting on of your spellup spells individually, what do you get?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i just typed spellup all
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: that populates your spellup list
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Try to cast one of the spells in the list by using cast <spell>
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: it works then
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: goto File->Plugins, highlight the plugin and hit the "Reinstall" button
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: still nothing
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Prolly silly of me, but spellup resume does that do anything? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: it does when you have paused the spellup :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what does it say in the miniwindow? requested spells, anything pending?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: im doing everything youre telling me
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Apparently not, still awaiting the feedback you get from the individual spellup spell cast :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: 7 pending
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: scan i told you then it works
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Oh ok.. Didn't see that answer as a reply to my question.. Back to Bast then, our plugin master.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar bows before Bast.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: are you standing?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you type "tags" is spellups set on YES and Global Tags ON?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: spellups yes. global tags off
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: "tags on" please
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: done
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: type "spellup refresh" and see if it starts spelling you up
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: or reinstall the plugin if that doesn't work
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: wow a bunch of errors
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: Timer function "display_timer" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: spam
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: on plugin reinstall?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it isn't spam if it is helpful
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thats the error on my screen
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: copy/paste the error to pastebin.com and put the url on Tech please
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Think that's usually a result of it getting something unexpected in slist
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: okay its working now thanks bast
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no problem
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: reinstalled it now its working
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yay!
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: so i put tags off manually?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: at sometime you did, yes
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i typed tags off. now then how must i put the tags off that keep bothering me?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: if you type tags you can see which ones are on and off
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: type "tags" and then turn off the tags that are on and bothering you
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: okay thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thanks for all the help:)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: what is the Default Font For MUSHCLient
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: fixedsys 9 pt
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I like wingdings 27 point
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: real mudders use comic sans 16pt
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: all mine fonts are Droid Sans Mono, 9
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: wow, my grammar sucks today, I blame Mondays
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's monday?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: according to realtime it is
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: How do i Load my Font Droid Sans Mono ?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: nm
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: any scripts that find the best item you have for each wear slot?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Stupid question of the day: How do I get rid of {stats}172/109,219/172,123/76,126/82,120/84,191/127,9,99,100,271,299,You are Standing.,9999,439/4394,3479/3507,3821/3821,1683717,3318,6,-1971,4979,120,5
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: after my prompt?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fat Ass Cartman Tech: type statmon
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Bless you.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fat Ass Cartman Tech: if you're also getting channel (and other) flags, tags off should clear those
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: No, just that one for some odd reason
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fat Ass Cartman Tech: possibly enabled and handled by a script you removed (or switched clients)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: LOL, statmon turned on the channel tags
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I had something similar, my solution was to reinstall/enable the broadcast plugins.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: no go, aduin. Maybe it's time to upgrade to the new mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, the solution is to put a %c at the end of both your prompts
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Trying now
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Nope
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: You mean basically bprompt %% %h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %Xtnl %pme vs. %B%%E%d %L %% %c
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: and a similar prompt?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: both prompts have to have a %c at the end and you have to have promptflags turned off
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: You will no longer see Quiet/Afk/Noexp warnings in your prompt. No change
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Or you could just spend your time actually mudding
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: do you have a channel capture plugin?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Ah ha! I turned triggers off!
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: <---Moron
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: dodofkdkaodfkd
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that was the result of my head hitting my keyboard
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: anyone wanna tell me how to put colour into prompt
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: with color codes
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: ?*
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the same way you put it into anything
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: GhostSoul tsks Venomangel.  You feel sorry for him.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: like %h-%HHp?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: is it worth having mv in prompt?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: YMMV
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: For a warrior, of course. For me, I probably should remove it
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: so just hp,mana,qt tnl and dbl?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: exp?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: ah, scratch that
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: hp of group leader?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i add the enemy hp in my battle prompt too
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: no,my own
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: why even have a prompt anymore? with all the miniwindows and stuff you can get all the information you want
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar is agreeing with that Bast person again...
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: not on mxit
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Damn, you have a point
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: actually the point should be don't mud from mxit ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i stopped mxiting:D
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: geez cant help it vodacom messed up contracts,75 days still without a pc
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: anyone ever had problems getting radio buttons to accept being checked, when creating your own Windows form app, using C#?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: ok, perhaps the question should be, do you know of any property element that would prevent radio buttons from being checked, not just  a single radio button but every radio button I have placed on my form
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Does anyone know of a way/module to access mushclients database in php?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: no idea, if it were zmud it'd be easy
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: sounds like it'd involve COM
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what format does mushclient use for it's databases
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: sqlite
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: does it run sql server lite as a seperate process/
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Oh that sounds like I could work with that if I can get to the data somehow.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no server involved with sqlite
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what process acts as the database engine then?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the OS, most likely
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: none, sqlite isn't an engine
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: php has sqlite support
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and it isn't an engine there either
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah mysql can work with sllite too (what I'm using). But then I hope the sqlite isnt wrapped in something else.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's a firefox extension, so the answer is: it's a module provided by Mozilla
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: doesn't Mush do DBs on the fly, or are they all written to file somewhere?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can do memory and disk based sqlite dbs in mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: with a bit of luck the db in question you need is file-based, otherwise you're screwed
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what db are you talking about aduin?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah but I want to make a script that runs under php/apache that accesses mush's data :) in this case my idea was to do something with the mapper data.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: The end goal is trying to make something that draws map :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if it doesn't allow for that, you could always export the map db to something more useful
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is a sqlite db located in the root of your mushclient install named Aardwolf.db
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: so you want to redo all the work that went into the automapper?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (*whistle
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Well it's just for fun and learning :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why not? the automapper redid all the work that was done on zmud :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: but it wasn't done as a zmud script/plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: yeah you're right, could just work off converted snap-shot data.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what wasn't done as a zmud script/plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the mush mapper
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why would it be? it had it's own
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if people didn't reinvent the wheel, our wheels would still be rubbish
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Riddim comforts Bel, The Lord of Avernus.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but then, i'm one of those grumpy buggers who thinks the aardclient was a bad idea
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I just love messing about with ideas, like hmm could I draw the entire map of aardwolf somehow :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a bad idea?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you realise that many of the maps are not euclidean
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: The aardclient is the reason I'm learning mush right now :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: reverse engineering is more fun than starting from scratch, at least when I can wrap my head around it it's much faster to learn that way.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I commend you, do what you wish and learn from it, don't listen to the naysayers
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can get a lot of info from the aardwolf mapper plugins, db/table layouts, queries, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I have had no luck getting the db to open in sqlitebrowser, but haven't tried the command line
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah I have all of your plugins, and read through about half now :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I get the map db to open in sqlitebrowser just fine, though
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in ubuntu
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Good then I will keep trying till it works :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: hmm, can't get it to open in opensuse, will have to do some digging
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Just let me know when we have a realtime searchable map on the web of aard that shows where players, mobs, and such are, Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: who's "we"?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you and him
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: aardwolf?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'm sure that must breech privacy laws
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I was just thinking if you could analyze the map somehow and start with depth first, then find a way to make everything fit, which wil be the incredibly complex tricky part I think
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: thats like saying watching people make out in a park is invasion of their privacy, Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: privacy laws don't apply here
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: how live is the map?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: html5 canvas javascript and have a 3d map, the extra dimension is used so the mapper can fit tricky parts better.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But that's dreaming, let's get the data read in first :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Aduin there is a discussion on the mushclient forum for using force-directed graph layout algorithms for displaying the map
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Thanks I'm going to read that.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/bbshowpost.php?id=10273&page=1
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so exploring really is dead, it seems
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your mom is dead
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: my mom is indeed dead
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: almost 3 months now
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe she explored too much
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: why is exploring dead? less than 5% of the world is loaded in the default database
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: she probably tried to installing linux
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: mebby you explored her to much :p
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if less than 5% is on it, then it's not really an alternative to what the earlier gent was suggesting with creating a map from the db, is it?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Well that thread will keep my busy for a while, that's pretty complex :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: such things are rarely straight forward
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: best of luck, though
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: thanks I'll need it it seems :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baelfael Tech: any recommendations for an OS X mud client?  Atlantis crashes on startup
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient works in OS X
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so I hear
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or Mudlet
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mudlet if you want native, mushclient if you're fine with wine/fusion/parallels/boot camp/crossover
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tinyfugue or tintin++ if you want native and geek factor
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baelfael Tech: mudlet is a new one to me, thank you
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baelfael Tech: geek factor matters surprisingly little, considering I'm playing a text game :D
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I love mudlet personally, be sure to get it from sourceforge, v 1.2.0.pre6 is what I have -- also get the mudlet aardwolf GUI (MAG for short).
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baelfael Tech: roger that - I appreciate the mudlet aardwolf GUI
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: how come on one character i see the title of the area above the mini map as well as the exits below it but on my other char i see neither?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: on which client?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's not a matter of client, type TAGS MAPNAMES ON
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sooper Tech: but also on my phone client as well
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: where's my stick?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: he managed to make Windows break it
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: bet he doesn't even know how.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: rational hatred of mobile phones
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: thanks for the help guys (this is sooper)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: world would be a far less annoying place if it weren't for mobile phones
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: but i love that i can  play aard from anywhere
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: kids would be less stupid, teenagers may stand a chance of being able to spell
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i would get far less unwanted phone calls from phone providers
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I hate how my phone can't do things like automaticly block anonmyous called, block sms from anyone not on my list.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: And persistant marketing callers draining my battery if I don't answer.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i intend retiring to someone with no mobile network coverage
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Like a lottery called me every hour for 2 days until I answered :p
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there's a nocall list for your area, if you're in the US.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: there's something like that here too, but it doesn't actually work
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: The lady on the phone said I wasn't a very friendly person :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: typically if the number is withheld, i just cancel the call
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah the us is ahead of us (the netherlands)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: We now have this gov controlled list that supposedly prevents you from being called.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: won't work because of lists
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Where is said list, I must be on it
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, it won't stop the fools who only listen to lawsuits, but most coldcallers are legal enough that they'll honor a nocall list.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: loose translation, a website dontcallme, they're supposed to check that before they call, I think the entire idea is silly an opt-out option requiring me to put my details on the net :p
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: most of the problems stem from number autogenerators
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: however, politicians, bill collectors, and anyone you pay money to can harass the crap out of you.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Most of mine are from the corpses under my basement floor, but who checks under there anyhow...
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so the people you don't want calling you, can circumvent it anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: My method is being unfriendly, answering then making them waste as much time as possible, then they put you on a black list usually.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: much better than a silly abusable opt-out option in my opinion, after all, the first time I friendly ask them not to bother me again, they never listen :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone here make their own biodiesel?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: six magic words can be used now "I've got you in my crosshairs."  Scares the piss out of everyone now.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I've made some, but never used it...
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you tell people that on the phone?
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Good scope
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: such things get you thrown in jail here
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in the Netherlands?  I thought they were more open than that.
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I find making them wait works pretty well, answer, tell them hold on and see when they hang up out of their own :)
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: need to look into biodiesel, it's now considerably cheaper to buy vegetable oil than it is fuel diesel
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: some places with friers will let you take their used stuff too
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Local fast food/sub shops
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they sell that here now
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why give away what you can get money for
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Yeah, but some mom & pop places will accomidate
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: how do you stop the bast spellup plugin spamming that display_timer line
T3/r2/2011-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: ahh hit the reinstall button on plugins window
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rorso Tech: does anyone have experience with cMUD's mapper and the one in MUSHClient?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: any ideas on what might be eating my money when i connect to my pc?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your crappy data plan
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how do i turn all automatic updates off?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: once again it finished R182
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: umm, try the windows update control panel
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i did but it still eats it
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: connect the PC to a data jack that comes from the wall. It's much faster and much cheaper
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i dont have one of those yet im currently using my phone as a modem
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't keep it tethered when you're not actively using it
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i am using it just to play aard
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: at the moment, yes
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: the laptop does upgrades. I want to put them all off. Any ideas on how to do that with a duel core, compaq, windows 7?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i tried everywhere i cant find out why it uses so much
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I already said how to stop windows updates. other programs check for updates separately
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not just updates. when computers have a network connection, they get chatty
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how can i find out which programs those are
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: use firewalls
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: you sure aard is free??
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: what
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: free of what?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: we'd hope free of mobile phone users (*cough*)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: dont pay to play?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: there is no charge for playing. Whether it is 'free' is..... debateable
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: why do you ask?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i think he's gone
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: who
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: you
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: never
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: then what prompted your earlier question?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i put over R600 on my phone today. its all just gone
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: but i fixed the problem
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what was it
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: now i aard 4 free
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: aard requires an internet connection, so your charge over a mobile phone will depend on what internet usage you are allowed
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if your contract allows unlimited internet connection, access to aard will be free, if you're paying as you go, it will depend on how much internet you get for how much money
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: terms and conditions apply, consult with your provider or a giraffe on a trampoline for details, your statuatory rights are not affected
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i sorted it out
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: it was laptop problems
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: damn already used R40 again WTF
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: R50
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: sure you're not paying roaming charges?c
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: dont think so
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: hmm free internet on cell-c does that apply when using the phone as a modem?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: probably not
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: mobile phone providers are not your friends, they're not there to give you freebies, they're there to relieve you of all your money
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: check your contract. in detail
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: due to the fact its dial up network?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: dam there was a bunch of rubbish and a lot of games on this laptop. hopefully i can play in peace now
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: is anyone else using bast's spellup script and notice that it doesn't work when you have noexp on?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's a well-known problem with promptflags
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: fix your prompt. disable promptflags
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if your prompt doesn't end in %c, make it do so
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: i have a carriage return at the end.  what else could be wrong with it?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: promptflags
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: ok, we'll try that
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (I thought this was going to get fixed)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: when I say we'll, I mean I'll
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: of course you do
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and when I say you, I mean y'all
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: yeah, that worked
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: np
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: btw, The promptflags thing is fixed on test port but not on this port, on the test port if you have a %c at the end of your prompt, promptflags comes before the %c instead of after
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: good to know
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: does Half-life 2 orange box work on a mac?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: thanks =)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: and um how about transformers war for cybertron? its out on pc only but i thought maybe with wine it'll work
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: google it
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: oddly enough there have been a few games that played better on wine than on windows. 
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I doubt that
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rorso Tech: I got some software that nolonger runs on Windows, but works on Wine ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: ahh thanks guys
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rorso Tech: you use Linux on an intel cpu?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rorso Tech: does anyone have any experience with MUSHClient's mapper?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: some
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: yes why
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rorso Tech: how is it compared to cMUD/zMUD mapper?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: dont know
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: I read that as "rapper" for some reason, that'd be a great addition to the mud.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: just use mush
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Rorso: try them both?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the mushclient mapper is at least still in active development
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rorso Tech: I could but trying takes time :-). I thought the experienced people on this channel would know
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: its free and portable (download, unzip, run), just give it a go...
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rorso Tech: does it use GMCP atleast for the map?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: hey Fiendish, how do I get Bast's spellup plugin working properly on XP with the new Mush? I've got it half-working, but it's not respelling without a spellup pause;spellup resume
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: sup laccy
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: do you have a %c at the end of your prompt and promptflags turned off?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: I've forgotten how to check my prompt.. :(
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: config
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: lmfao
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i had the same problem yesterday
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Rorso: does what use gmcp?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the mushclient mapper uses gmcp
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rorso Tech: Ol' Dirty: ah nice, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: Okay, hopefully that'll fix it, Bast. Was missing the @c on each
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: %c, make sure it was %c
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: Ack, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: not . &c
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: %c
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: sorry my bad
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and don't forget to turn promptflags off
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: Think that'll work, will know in 40 sec
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: think that was it, thanks! :)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: Yep, that was it. Wish all issues could be solved that easily. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Next time you encounter an issue, just imagine the %c at the end of it.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: hows everyone today?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Feeling quite technic on this channel.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: btw, that is in the first paragraph on bastmush.googlecode.com and on the troubleshooting page in the wiki on my site
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: finally figured out i had a bunch of crap performing updates without my knowledge of it so i deleted everything
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: anybody know how to convert a PDF/A document back to regular PDF besides combining it with another PDF?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Decode it with a PDF decoder
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: is there a freeware decoder out there that you use?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: or know of
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Hmm, Not sure, Cutepdf?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: cutepdf only saves pdf files and pdfcreator doesn't decode anything either
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Search the intarwebs for a decoder I guess
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: there are some out there that will convert for you, but you ahve to buy them.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: seems stupid that Adobe wouldn't have something in their own software to do this for you.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Adobe has a pay prog to decode
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: especially since all my large format scanners automatically (and don't have another PDF option) scan to PDF/A
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Use software to scan from the device instead of the hardware settings?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: uh, it does use software :P
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Use Cutepdf to import the scan from the device instead of the devices software?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: guess it really is as annoying as it seems heh.  thx.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: perhaps ghostscript could do the conversion ?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you can "print" it to postscript file, and try from there
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: it just copies the whole pdf/a back down to pdf/a when I tried using pdfcreator
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what's driving the desire to no longer have them be pdf/a files? I'm kind of surprised that your scanners default to scanning in that mode, unless they're meant to be high-volume archive scanners
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wyverex Tech: iunno, it's just how KIP decided to make their software
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, it almost sounds like they either don't understand what pdf/a is for, or they just licensed someone else's scanning code, without realizing that the other scanning code is for a different purpose...pdf/a's main purpose really is something that would traditionally be a 1-way process
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddley Tech: can anyone tell me how to enable MCCP compression on GMud?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can't...can only use a mccp proxy
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddley Tech: drat, ok thanks :)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gmud is an extremely-limited-capability client...go to www.aardwolf.com, click the screenshot & download that client
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddley Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: So the fastest and most effecient way I've found to cast spells is use all letters and no spell numbers but a few can not be used this way. An example would be "earth maw" the only way I've found to cast this is c 380
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: use single quotes around the name
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm used to type like c n
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: c b, c d. c a. c e
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: stuff like that
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Oh, I'm sorry - I assumed that you wanted a solution to the problem...
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: then i have to type c 380
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: So im wondering if there is something I can learn to do that can help me making cast something like earth maw more effecient like the others
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nowoo Tech: You also get 40 alias slots within aardwolf to play with if you're not using a client that supports them or something... "alias light cast 'Heavenly Balance'"
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Nice this sounds promising, will see what I can figure out with that
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "efficient"
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: quickest
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bizarro Sephiroth Tech: the least work
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: quickest in what way?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: well we're typing
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: my client sends faster than the mud can process input. It doesn't matter if it sends 380 or "earth maw"
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you're typing out every spell name?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm OCD I guess.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: typing out spell names doesn't scale. at least use the built-in spellup command.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: No, I'm typing "c d
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you've lost me
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: "c d" for darkness "c b" for barkskin "c a" for air dart "c e" earthquake and ect
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nowoo Tech: I personally enjoy setting alias' to my VK_NUMPAD<0-9, DEL, ADD, SUBTRACT, MULTIPY, DIVIDE, etc...>_<Alt/Ctrl> so you can just press a key on your numpad and it can cast or do whatever you want in one keypress without hitting enter or something. Great for movement or a few choice spells... start with "help alias" then look into a good client and learn how to setup your alias' imho.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: macros
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nowoo Tech: one in the same
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: The alias recommendation sounds to be what I'm looking for as I like using the number pad for moving
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Macros, Aliases, Triggers! All different things.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: so im trying to make my pc run at 1280x720 because im gettin fps issue at 1920x1080
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: but tv keeps saying mode not supported.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: however, when i run ps3 some games run at 1280x720..
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: so im not sure why ps3 can make it work but pc is failblogging. any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nowoo Tech: videocard?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: its listing that as a resolution *shrug*
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: maybe you're forcing an invalid refresh rate on that resolution?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: havent changed refresh rate, 60hz either way
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: what are you getting fps issues with?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: running some game on max settings
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: id rather have max settings on a lower res, than lame settings at high res
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: and 720 and 1080 are only ones of proper ratio. all other resolutions are deformed :p
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: In my years of playing video games, I've never encountered a game that looks better at a lower resoluation than natice with higher settings
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: Hmm HDTV as monitor? have you tried 90 or 110 hz for refresh?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: native resolulation and lower settings will always look better
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: yeah ive got my pc hooked up to my samsung 47inch
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: when I'm at home i have a vga cable run under the carpet to my couch from my tv ;)  love it!
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: robot?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: am too drunk to tcorrect my typos
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't believe you
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: look at all the different ways i typed resolution
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: Speaking on behalf of the reasonable-minded readers, we don't care either way
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: you just typed dont with a semicolan like i did I'm
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: No I didn't.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: colon
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I hit enter. There's a difference.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: A semicolon I would have corrected.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: hmm when I type a semicolon by accenting it complelely um
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: nevermind
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm confusing myself
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: you were confused to start with
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: oh it cuts it off
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: the rest of what I was saying
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: because of the command sequence stuff i guess
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: since when did they start putting vegies on top of the cheese at poppa johns
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: but what I was saying, the graphics are going to look horrible if you run the game below your native resolution
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: you could prob set all graphic opens to low and it would still look better in native
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: graphic options
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: and what type of fps problems are you having? low fps or tearing?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Tech: is it possible to enter a linebreak in an emote, so that the output appears on two lines?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: probably not.  Being able to do that would open up a whole world of abuse
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Anyone know how i can make my panels on a gnome desktop extend across multiple monitors? I got the monitors set up and working fine, and the desktop itself extends across, just not the panels
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Ok, so i found out if i activate the arrow on hide option on the panel, i can get it to move over to the other monitor, but still can't get it to 'extend' all the way across
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: i know there is a way... but it's just not common.  Most people want dual monitors, you are trying to make it appear like one monitor twice as wide.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nah, i use it for dual monitors, i just like to have the common options that i use in the panel, accessible on both, going back and forth and dragging, etc is a pain that i don't think is needed
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Currently i keep the common ones on the second monitor's desktop, but that screw things up when the other monitor isn't attacked
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: attached*
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Or, even if i could have desktop 1 on, we'll call it monitor1 (main monitor) and desktop 2 on monitor2, that would work as well
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Curently when i go to change it, it just does duplicate desktops, only on one or the other, or extend
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cheez, you can't extend the single panel toolbar across the spanned monitors, but you can create a second panel to place on the second monitor
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, tried that, it was kinda ugly since my 2nd monitor is almost twice as long (wide) as my main, and it won't let me extend the panel any longer than the main screen
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Damn, silly question and can't for the life of me remember. What's the command to see all running processes and their UID?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: ps
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: on *NIX
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: There it is
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: ps auxw
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: knew it was two letters, couldn't remember the two letters and man -k wasn't very helpful (LOTS of them with the only unique phrase i could think of)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Anyone know why my system hangs when i use apt-get install? It randomly hangs when it start depackaging, and i can't get it to end properly without ctrl+z, reboot, then sudo dpkg --configure -a
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: what do you guys think will work for a "right-click" for safari on ipad?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: that sounds like the system is really broken
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Does it all all three of my laptops though, even the one with out of the box settings
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: ubuntu or debian ?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: ubuntu
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: 9.10, 10.04, and 10.10 did it
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I have run all of these on multiple system, and never had that happen
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: tap with 2 fingers to right click on the iPad, kirua
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: have you tried switching to anyother mirror for the packages
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Newp
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: could be a problem there
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Never did it with Arch or Fedora, or even openSUSE, but every box i put ubuntu on does it
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: depackage shouldn't be affected by the mirror though, should it?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Wouldnt that just affect the download itself?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: yeah, so the download goes fine?
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: nods
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: hmm... tricky one
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Just stops sometimes when it's unpacking, and it never finishes. I let one run for 2 days to just see if it would finish, it didn't.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Usually seems to happen when i go long periods without rebooting (which can be weeks or months sometimes)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I do that too
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: no idead what it can be, but it's probably something simple.. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: i usually only reboot when i kernel update occurs
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: me too
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: probably
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: try asking on the ubuntu forums
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: hmmm 2 finger tap doesn't seem to work on my webpage
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, i think i'll go forum scrounging to see if anyone has similar issues. Tech channel is just usually faster :P
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Need to put aardwolf tech-chan speed into all IT help :P
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, rebooted, did sudo dpkg --configure -a, then redit the apt-get install that had hung, and it finished depackaging where it left off. Still annoying as hell, and found nothing on the forums
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: might have to start a new post
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: anyone know where i can find a cheap power cord for a laptop?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I got mine off ebay and it only costs me $10
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: thats not too bad
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: i looked at other places and they wanted liek $60 for a new one...i thought that was kind of costly
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: it hasn't died yet and i've had it for about 6 months or so
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: hmm thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: any advice on linux-based clients?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: MUSHclient under Wine.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: how about something native?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: i use tintin++
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: Or Tintin++ or TinyFugue running natively. I haven't found any good graphical ones.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: tf is another popular one
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: heh google spits out a bunch of girls when loking for tiny figure
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: tiny fugue
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Laughing Lacrimosa giggles.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no R
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: oh my bad xD
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Le do, lo  Shakia laughs out loud at Pittazz.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: i don't suppose it's possible to split output in tintin (chat/other/stats etc)?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Absolutely
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: If you use gmcp use the comm.channel to #line log {/path/to/chat/file}, and use <MAPSTSART> to start logging and <MAPEND> to turn off the log, then you open a terminal and do "tail -s .01 -f /path/to/map/file" and in another terminal tail -f /path/to/chat/logs, suddenly you have map and chat windows, and can be done for anything else you want to fork output for as well
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: you just made my day :]
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Natasmai Tech: how do i turn the command echo off on zmud
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yowzine Tech: anyone has a clue on how vista readyboost works?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: someone tried vista - win7 upgrade?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: got a friend who had some issues with language pack
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: upgrading sucks, as far as I've heard
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: do a clean install
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: if you can do a clean one
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: yeah heard it a while ago
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: what dag said
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: clean install is great, it'll create windows.old dir with your previous os files and settings
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: only worthwile upgrade is vista --> *nix
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: but if there are language problems is there possibility to fix it without hardcore regediting or so :-P
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir slaps Ozu.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: clean install = formatting
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: perhaps i'll just advice friend to get another disc (prolly got wrong one) or do clean one :)
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir slaps Pittazz.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: naturally pittazz. but guy has backups so no issue
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you don't need to back up anything with 7's clean install
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: nor format
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dexter goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: think the guy has student status
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: so i'll just advice him to get win7 student pack
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dexter smiles happily.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: you don't have to. but there can be various issues later on if you don't... formatting is still best way to go
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Uh-oh. Seltsimees Dagnir is pointing at Pittazz, screaming, "LIES!" once again.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: name ONE issue
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Damacius Tech: win7 w studen pack? doesnt studen pack usually mean its the limited version?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i've done A LOT of 7 installs over older versions and it has always worked without a glitch
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: permissions can mess up (happend to me b4)
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: windows.old is re-owned to your new account
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: windows.old is not the only thing that is left from your old os
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you might need to re-own stuff in C: root (if you have any), but that's about it
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it still beats formatting
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i just merge the appdata folders with setting and re-install my apps with ninite. not much hassle there
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: faster and cleaner that format and clean install + backups
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: just create a separate partition for your stuff, and formmat away... beats dealing with stuff that was compatible with the old system, and not compatible with the new one etc
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: or just get *nix
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh, right, messing with the partition table and backuping stuff is better than just simple copy-paste after an install
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: i've gone from ubuntu 7.10 to 10.10 without any problems.... really simple to upgrade
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: linux is linux, we are talking windows here... brrr...
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: what does %s recognize in zmud triggers?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: is that "space"
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Natasmai Tech: does cmud work with XP?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: yep
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Natasmai Tech: ty
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: getting "Font times not loaded for window attack" in new mushclient under wine. Anyone got an idea?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: maybe the font it uses isn't installed on your comp?  not sure
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yes, I'd guessed that -- don't know how to change the font it's complaining about
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Oh, "times" is probably the name of the font.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yes, but I'm not using times
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: you have a window called attack?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec thinks
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: if you do, try right-clicking in that window, and click world configuration, then go to output, and select a different font.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: ah, yes, okay, that was an obvious question -- I've remember where it's coming from now
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: this is my second "being dumb" day in a row
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Phishy Snewb Tech: anyone know a program that i can use to prebuffer streaming media?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Phishy Snewb Tech: (other than pausing and waiting)
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Phishy Snewb Tech: (other than pausing and waiting)
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Phishy Snewb Tech: oops
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: download the file from source?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Phishy Snewb Tech: not on option unfortunately :(
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: what website?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: Is there a way to move rooms in zMud Mapper from one layer to another, cut and paste?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's possible, but is easily broken
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: So better to re-map the area?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: worth a try moving first, would be quicker than remapping
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: I can see a cut feature, but not a paste...  How do I move them?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: no idea
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: tried the website./
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: Ok   thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't expect too much though, zugg's a twat
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: It has worked well enough for me, just like to make it a bit more efficient
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it is possible to re-engineer it in ms access too, if the mapper plays you around
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: True, that is what I was considering, since everything should be in tables.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: May look into that next
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: Thanks T
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Well I rewrote my webapp into a registry model, I can't help but feel it was silly overkill :)
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Anyway I wondered I keep hearing registry is more secure, but why isn't storing stuff in a static object wrapper just as insecure as using globals to access stuff from any scope?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone here had a problem running mushclient on linux with binary nvidia drivers, getting 100 percent cpu usage in Xorg?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sorry, I don't have nvidia
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Execute from CLI environment
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I have nvidia, but haven't had any issues...
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though I wish I did, because the intel drivers are broken
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: For some reason it uses less CPU when you use command line to execute it vs clickity click
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: It's been a problem for me in ubuntu linux since 10.10 was released. 10.04 was ok. There's just been a new nvidia release so I thought I'd give it a go but if anything it makes things worse. Maybe time to go back to slackware :) Thanks anyway, I'll go back to the non-binary drivers for now I think
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: nods, in 10.10 i have some issues too. the precompiled binaries of tintin don't work anymore, and when i compile from source i get random segmentation faults
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Anyone had an issue with the Communcations log in new Mushclient lagging,  Stuff ain't showing up in there for a minute after it comes across my main screen.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinji Ikari Tech: Does anyone know how to make the background for the mapper in the new mushclient be a static color? IE, just black like mini map is?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just to update the wine/linux and mushclient thing from earlier, I've removed the binary nvidia drivers and it's back to slow but playably, only using about 20 percent cpu not 100 percent. I think it's something specific with mushclient and wine, since I tried another wine app (spotify) and that doesn't thrash the cpu at all, even with nvidia binary drivers. I'll have to stick to non-binary drivers for now
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I noticed Mushclient was slower under Wine if I had wine set to "emulate a virtual desktop", once I turned that off it was cool.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Thanks, but mine's set to off already
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: wasn't blowtorch written by somebody who plays here? or I am making things up again?
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I heard it was
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: yeah that sample pictures of blowtorch on the market are of aardwolf.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's a new public snapshot of the aardwolf mushclient package up on the google code repository
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so true - http://bitlbee.org/img/comic_3.0.png
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: if only i could have aard in irssi, too
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: then i'd be complete
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: last.fm, facebook, jabber, msn, etc. all through irssi+bitlbee. only aard missing. and maybe a sms service
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andratx Tech: i heard that pirate bay is going to launch something called fear.themusicbay.org anyone knows anything?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not really
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: thats what I heard too, I doubt anyone knows much more than that
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: not sure they want the lawsuits for another site lol
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm not excited either
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: tpb is great how it is now
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: fear subdomain has been around for a bit. just got a coming soon message on it. themusicbay.org was registered a couple years ago tho
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i have great ratio on what.cd and waffles.fm. don't need anything else :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, tpb sucks a bag of dongs
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: compared to other sites where seeders are more consistent, yeah... other than that, it's ok
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: any nokia n73 game sites?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: try google.com
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not only seeding, but the site and content quality
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: tpb is probably the worst
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, community, comments etc
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: the quality is ok imo, problem is the seeding 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: who cares about the community anyways
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i do
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what.cd Seeder/Leecher Ratio: 54.31 :D
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: well, then I can see what you mean
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: Seeders: 6,523,852
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: Leechers: 120,107
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: Enabled Users: 142,376
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: Torrents: 1,039,393
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: now /that's/ a community
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: But invite only.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes, but it's not that hard to get in
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Orly how?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: There is an IRC channel just for getting invites, infact!
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes, but it's not that simple either
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://whatinterviewprep.webs.com
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that's all you need to get in
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: whatcd is music only, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: software, ebooks and audiobooks, too
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but to a lesser degree
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: i'm intrigued as well
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's really hard to get invites for users and they're responsible for the people they invite
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i've been maxxed out for a year and have no-one to invite :(
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: that only makes it more worth it to try :]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: some rules are pretty strict and might get your whole invite tree upwards banned
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i've invited 11 people, 3 got b& :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: are you people sure the newest aard doesnt cost monet??
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: aard client
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: who knows, we don't make them, we don't support them, we don't regulate them
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's free afaik
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: he's talking about mobile phone clients
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: unless instead of donations we're selling bots
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: stfu im using mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: then no, the client is free
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: L A P T O P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: then read the webpage yourself instead of asking.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you haven't worked out by now that it's your connection provider charging you...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i used over R600 in 5 days. all i did was aard
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: stop using MXiT
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: IM NOT USING MXIT STFU SNEAK
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: stop using the mobile phone network to connect then
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: its called a data bundle
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: get a proper internet connection.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: you get a data bundle stick or you can buy a data bundle on your phone. BOTH THE SAME
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: yep, and both expensive
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so complain to your isp?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: your point is?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: aard consumes very little bandwidth anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: maybe 10-20 mb a day at most?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: thereabouts for 24hours of Aardwolf.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: probably being charged a per-unit-time rate
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how the hel must i get internet when i take my laptop to different places?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: you call it university
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: my university provides free internet connections
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: log on to local wifi hotspots or plug into a physical connection
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: my university provides free internet.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or get a cheaper provider with free roaming
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: your bill probably comes from non-aard stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: like certain questionable videos
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: etc
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: stop surfing unnecessarily. 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: mud from one place
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: what must i get then? im currently using vodacom
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: anyway aard is free
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: consult someone in the trade in your area
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: many unis have free internet, there are also free hotspots around these days...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: ask a South African telecomunnications specialist?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i already used 24MB
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: from Aardwolf?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is that considered a lot?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: do you have no set bundle pricing
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: 24MB of my data bundle
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: how much DATA do you have in your data bundle.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Z600 for 24MB is ridiculous.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: 1GB
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: so? you can mud for at least 50 days on 1GB.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: then it's probably not how much, but where or when you're getting charged for
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i suggest you get your bill and read it
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it should give you a breakdown
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: lol not here it uses 24MB in 2min
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sounds like you're downloading something else
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: you're probably doing a lot of other non-Aardwolf stuff.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Aardwolf does not consume that much bandwidth.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (Fluffy) NeoFluffy queue the porno music
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: its cue.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: im just on aard
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: check your background processes.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: get a network monitor
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: ard would not use  24meg in 2 min, more likely something like windowsupdate is running
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Fluffy) NeoFluffy Tech: takes notes from sneak
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (Fluffy) NeoFluffy takes notes from sneak
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Fluffy) NeoFluffy Tech: damn im terrible today
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i put updates off
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: check your background running processes.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: could be your antivirus
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: there is something running that is consuming the bandwidth
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or messenger progs
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or system updaters
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: dont have anti virus atm
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or a virus then
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you probably got a virus from visiting questionable sites then
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: all sites i was on was aard
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: have you checked your background processes
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: ever?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ever since you got your laptop?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: might be that xxx site / illegal download site you visited.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: or the random popups that you accidentally clicked.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: never used your laptop for torrents?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: havent gone to university yet. going in a week
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: nobody asked whether you're going to University
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: okay well then what must run? 2.3GHz, dual core, windows 7, 32-bit? what programs must run?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i said havent gone so i havent used my laptop for anything yet
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I don't know? Whatever you need?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: the point is your bw usage is not from aard, your best bet is to find someone who knows at least a bit about computers and check your laptop for you
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Well, you've obviously used your laptop for Aardwolf, and to access the website to download MUSH
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: lol my dad does. got hes own busness so he cant check now. been busy for 3 days straight so hes sleeping atm. so my best hope is someone on aard
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: reboot your laptop?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how can i turn off ALL automatic updates?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: don't run anything but MUSHclient?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or just not use it til you get to uni
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Farkyss' idea is better.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: im just using aardwolf atm. nothing else but i just noticed some programs are updating but it says auto updates are off
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: auto updates only refers to windows autoupdates
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: which programs? there are alot of them you know....
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i'm not convined the updates are causing the problem anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: this is my first ever problem connecting with phone. the other laptop didnt have any problems
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: then use the other laptop?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: a few, like HP Support
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you have a 1gb a month usage allowance, updates wouldn't cause the problem. Sounds like a roaming issue to me
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: it just showed a window of that
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: some updates can use tens of megs in seconds
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i just got 1GB 2min before i connected to aard and im already down to 980MB
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: 1045MB is what i had
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: isnt there a place to go to to turn off ALL the updates
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: this is why we should all go back to tin cans and pieces of string
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: no, there isn't
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i dont want that rubbish on my laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I don't know. usually when I buy a laptop, I format and do a clean install .
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: so there won't be any of these useless applications runing.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: they aren't useless
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: yeah, these days laptops come with loads of crap preinstalled
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: these days most are
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: pointing device properties i probably need right? lol
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: first time using windows 7
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: run task manager, check the running processes, google the process name and see what process it's for
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: dam 962MB left
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: 24m in 2 minutes?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: you have 4g?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: you prob have malware
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: 12m a minute is 3g speeds
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: csrss.exe, dmw.exe, explorer.exe, hkcmd.exe, HPMSGSVC.exe, HPSF.exe, igfxpers.exe, igfxtray, lightscribe, mswinext.exe, NPSagent.exe, NPSalarm.exe,  NPSCM.exe, MUSH and then a bunch more NPS files
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: explorer.exe is using 23MB
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: mushclient, 15MB
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: You are talking ram right now
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: that is RAM, not DATA
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: are you browsing the internet at all/
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i just said what is running
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: have you been browsing the internet
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: get a network monitor
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: wow it stopped. i think it upgraded everything already
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: still by 962MB
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thanks for all the help everyone:)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i found the dump usibg my bundle
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: using*
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: lol who wouldve thought 1 program use so much data. it was HP dupport. some kind of health scan
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: Support*
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: YES IM SOOO HAPPY. IM AARDING FOR FREE AGAIN
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: it was HP support that was doing useless updates
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: why did my spellup stop?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: any suggestions how to extract/log the description of the room?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: looking for input from random ppl: accept professors invitation to a very strong group to do a phd,good prospects, higer chance of finansation OR continue trying define my own project, that may be more interesting?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: wtf, take the invitation
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: after you take advantage of the professor's opportunity you can then define ANYTHING that interests you. take the free ride.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: well it's not a 100% guarantee in either case, but i've been thinking along same lines, just needed someone to "say it loud", as they say
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: sponsors/mentors that can affect your earning potential for a lifetime aren't growing on many trees.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: earning potential is not the main priority for some ppl :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Exactly.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: well, if you do well on a project with someone who has a 'name' and money, it will be much easier for you to get funds to pursue your own project
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: enough to support yourself and family, plus enjoyment of what you do > making boatloads of cash and not having fun
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but I'd presume that while the self project may be more fun, the prof's thing is still roughly up your alley
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: priorities for earning potential tend to change as well
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: earning potential might not be your main priority, but getting enough recognition to attract funds to do your own project as a researcher, and do it right, would be a good idea
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: true, phd is probably not the last project i'll do, but it's still a hard decision
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: what are you doing after the phd?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: some of the hardest decisions are such because there's no right or wrong answers...just different avenues
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: beats me, atm i'm not in the mood to just get a job, but after some years, who knows...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: well, really, i would do the funded project because running out of funding sucks no matter how interesting your project is
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: well if i get the funding, it's funding for the whole ride, the group project has better chances of funding and possibly slightly better funding, that's all
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: nicer blob on cv as well i guess
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: is the deadline for joining the group project before or after you hear about funding for independent project? ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: i have to choose one of them now, it might be possible to join the group if own fails, but no guarantees than and even if it goes through, it will not look that good in the eyes of the professors etc...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: I'm assuming you're post-grad but not post-doctorate?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: doing masters atm
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: yeah... IMHO, having a sponsor who has taken an interest in you at this point in your education is a wonderful thing for your educational life assuming you are intersted in a doctorate, it will help in a thousand little ways throughout the masters process as well
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: my map is giving trouble. how do i fix it?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: be more specific with your question
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Define trouble, and what client are you using?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: my map doesn't help me level. how do i fix it?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: mush. its going scew and grey
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "scew"?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: post a screenshot
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: as in when a mirror is cracked you see it go in half
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the screen is split?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe your screen is split
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: no my map
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe your map is behind where your screen is split
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: poke it with your finger. does it move around?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: nope i move the map and it still split
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Well, according to current tech and science, its GREMLINS!
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah, I think we need a screenshot on this one
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you have to post a screenshot
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: the map is half grey and split in half
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you said that already
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: SCREEN. SHOT.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: time to reboot
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: google "how to take a screenshot"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wait
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: stop
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you see the word "configuration"?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: pc=more to go wrong vs mobile:P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: mobile=more to go wrong with lazy people
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: more stuff to do = more stuff to go wrong
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how do i show it on aard
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: google ascii art
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: GhostSoul, I'm guessing you accidentally opened the configuration popup
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: lol Redryn
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: click on the little [x] in the top left corner
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: lol nothing beats just taking the battery out and put it in as a reboot:P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: there is no x, it splits on the top and the ? is in the middle
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: well there are alot of thing that can "beat" it literally
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: press the printscreen button, paste it into paint, save it, upload it
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Let me check my book of answers that they give to those nice indian people overseas who take tech calls...  Step one, Did you try rebooting the computer?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Yes?  Answer:  call your isp
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: isnt there a way to reload the map?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Step 2, Unplug the device, then reboot it
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: reinstall the plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Step 3, Turn the power off for 60 seconds, then reboot :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: And if none of that works, call your ISP for help.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: that didnt work
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Step 4: Reboot your modem,  Hello? Are you still there? Ah another satisfied customer.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: the most annoying thing when you know exactly whats wrong and they still don't talk to you untill you convince them that you have rebooted it >_>
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: hmmm... pebkac eh?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: snigger, or when it's a problem with your modem, and they won't talk to you because your computer isn't booted, and they want you to boot it up, shut it down, and then boot it up again
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: No no... they won't help you at all.  They'll inevitably blame it on the hardware failure of your 3rd-party router.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What the hell did you call me, Majic??
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i did reboot my pc when i saw the problem
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: That's really the only annoying thing about them, or redialling until you get a non-panicky person :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: an ostrich
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Oh ok, carry on then.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: ghostsoul, just do the screenshot?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: im not sure how lol
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Screenshot in windows: printscreen button, open up Paint, paste, save
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: You know the ones that ask you your name and then put you on hold to enter the data, do lookups for 5 min and come back :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: else it sounds like 'I got a problem I need you guys to solve! no, I can't tell you whats the problem, but isn't there a easy way to fix it?!?!'
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: "rebooting didn't work?  Let me escalate your problem to someone who has a brain"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: "the wait could be signifigant"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: the more annoying is when you have to input all your data, than they transfer the calll, you have to input all data, than they transfer you back and gues what you have  to input...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech Bloke Danj Tech: heh, you guys should watch The IT Crowd
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech Bloke Danj Tech: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech Bloke Danj Tech: the technician's mantra :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Hehe
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I called up once to ask whether their was maintenance in my street (there was), the next day the employee had send a mechanic to my house :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i dont know how to work this 2010 paint
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Call microsoft for support on paint
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: i had one of those.. .i was calling about some services, a week later guy shows up, here to help install my cable tv, that was there for a few months already...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: lol.  Ok, open paint:  hit "ctrl-v"  then "ctrl-s"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: I was tech support once, and there was a case where the guy on the other end couldn't make his monitor work. After a while I was like, 'no... it can't be....', but yep, he didn't plug it in....
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: yeah, i remember having my boss once call me in because she couldn't figure out why her computer wouldn't run
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: she'd plugged it into an outlet strip and then plugged the outlet strip into itself
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: the volume of people who call for that kinda stuff is surprizing... even at Staples
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: k i saved it in word
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh god
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ok, now email me the file you just saved
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I call Tech Support BINGO!
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: lol. email address?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in my finger where it always is
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: We got a portable Tech support novelty from HP at staples, it was the magic 8 ball with Tech answers on the die inside, lol
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: why did you use word?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: who cares. 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: kirua in these situations it's usually better not to ask...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Did anyone have him reboot yet? :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I want to see what it looks like first
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Because he knows how to use Word.  It got the desired effect, let's move on to solving the actual problem.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: if we knew why, we might solve global warming!!
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I'm certain it's an internal failure in his router...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: im not familiar with 2010 programs. they even gave me microsoft office 2010 so i uninstalled it and installed 2007
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's fine. are you emailing me the file?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: ah, very good move actually
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: the Ribbon strikes again, eh?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: e-mail in finger,where the finger or do we wanna know?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i bought office 2010, dumped it in a week, and bought 2007
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: So you paid twice for Office?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: it's a huge waste of money, but 2010 is hopeless
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Who pays for office?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: venomangel: read help finger
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: it was a joke,half a dirty joke
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: finger finger
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: no i had 2007 they gave 2010 with laptop
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: a friend of mine has developer kits and had some uses left
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I have an urge to make a character named finger
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ghostsoul, less time yapping, more with the email sending
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: openoffice isn't that bad by now, beats paying for mso
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: finger is on the badname list
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: aww :(
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: so is rap
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: great i cant access my email address to send the email
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish whistles appreciatively.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: hmmm.. there's someone called 'yourself'
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: what kind of crap laptop is this. R11000 for rubbish
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: GhostSoul, I recommend a jug of gasoline and a match to solve your computer problems.  They aren't for you, buddy.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I find hammers and chainsaws more gratifying
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: out of curriocity which curecny is R?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Office Space style... use your fists!
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: South Africa perhaps?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: french?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: South Africa is a country.  The currency is rand
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: lool. break a mirror in half and look at it. how does your reflection look? in half and relecting in both ways. thats how my map looks
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: RSA Rand
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that doesn't help me understand the problem. I need to see it.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i honestly don't get the description
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Is it just the map thats doing it?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I didn't intend to say that the currency is South Africa, obviously... where he's from, however.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: you did try restarting mush right? and reinstalling the plugin?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: go break a mirror quickly and look at yourself in it
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: ...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: We're mudders. We break mirrors every time we look in them.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: speak for yourself
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: depending on the angel of the mirror and the type of break, there's a lot of possibilities
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Speak for yourself.  I'm pretty.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: angle*
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I'm the very vision of sexy beast, tyvm...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: and get 7 years badluck:P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I haven't gotten lucky in way longer then that anyhow, Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: crack it in half
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ghostsoul: I know what you're talking about. I *still* need to see it.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: do you have fb?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Anyway Ghostsoul, you can just as quickly go to google and create a new email address
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: use paint this time and upload it?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: your alive,arent you?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Or we could try and help fix your email.. (what am I getting myself into)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: what people dont have fb omg
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: ppl who have a life?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Dude, help yourself... create a new email address on Gmail and send the picture...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: ooh that excludes you pittazz:P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe when daisycha.in or diaspora stop sucking, I'll get accounts there. but I don't have a facebook account.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: If I had any other method of talking to my old Army friends, I would very quickly delete my facebook.  It's become the devil.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I had a facebook account in college before it became a disgusting mess of ethics violations
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I have a fb account, which is great for keeping track of various family members in different countries. I don't give out my RL contact info to strangers on aard though.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: if you set buff up privacy, and use browser addons to block all the adverts, it's somewhat usable if you can't get in touch with someone in other way
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suggest either learning how to use MS Paint or downloading Paint.NET from http://www.dotpdn.com/downloads/pdn.html
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that way at least you can put a real image file on imageshack.us or somewhere
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Venomangel couldn't get a date with a hundred dollar bill hanging from his zipper.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: got it fixed
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What was wrong?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: tech dont knoe deleted the plugin then downloaded it again
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: a bug got into the plugin?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Damn bedbugs.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: i bought this obnoxious lady at work a bedbug detection kit for secret santa
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you downloaded the plugin again from where?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: And she is the obnoxious one?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: heh =)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how do i turn javas updates off?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: google
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://tinyurl.com/6zaqqqx   <- read this
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: finger bast. i got the plugin at that site
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then it's old
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why is bast still distributing a mapper plugin? that's just going to confuse people
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: like you? lol im just joking
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I have never tried Bast's stuff, mostly because it's all undocumented and I don't have the time to read the source to a plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: because mine does other things like show the room flags and you can actually use the exits to move
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i like basts plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean click on the exits?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wait
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: of course it doesn't work for "other" exits
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: click on the tiny lines between rooms?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: Ghostsoul: thats what she said.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: just the exits, not the tiny lines, that would be way too much work :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm. I suppose I'll have to download it and see how it differs
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: you click on the map and it runs to that room
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ghostsoul: that's already a function of the official plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i like the autohunter
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'm not sure I understand this clicking on exits thing
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Locate an exit and click on it :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: i'd like a working cphunter plugin :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: why not use the keypad instead of the compass letters
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: mine started giving problems recently
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I don't either, someone asked for it, so I threw it in
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they asked for it in the gmcp mapper?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, the ansi map
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh. I'm talking about gmcp
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: was very confused
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You know what they say.. ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I thought we were talking about the ansi map, since I don't distribute the mapper at all
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: my mistake, then
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I thought that that's what ghostsoul was complaining about
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i cant get some plugins to worl bast
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: worl harder
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: that regen plugin?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: whats it do?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: regenerate you?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: >
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: sorry the regen plugin is busted, it was suppose to automatically wear a regen ring when you sleep or go into certain rooms, it will be fixed in the next version
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: okay thanks. how does autohunter work
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: magic
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: autohunt <mob>
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you of course have to have the hunt skill
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thanks bast your great
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just wish I could get autohunt without 20 files of infrastructure :(
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: well, I made that alot easier then it used to be, you don't even have to copy files to anywhere anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is based on swalec's so all you need is 2
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you only need aardwolf_autohunter_swalec and aardwolf_exits_detector
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ok, now I want a cp monitor plugin that doesn't require 20 files :D
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Now that I have, Fiendish.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Want me to email it?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though you're right. it's not a big deal to copy over the folder
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'm just making a fuss
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: is there a cp hunter plugin? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: bast?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: talked about it earlier
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you know, Bast has put a lot of effort into documentation on his website. I can see hundreds of edits to information pages. perhaps you should look there.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, I do not have a cp hunter, although there is one floating around and I won't make one because it is bordering on botting
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: or at least I won't make one available from me ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: IMHFO, it's bordering on the wrong side of botting
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I tend to agree, I don't even use mobwalks for gqs
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: a plugin that hunts each mob to find the 'you can't hunt that' message, and where that number.mob?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i don't see how that's botting...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I assume he wanted the autogoto option for it also
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah, that's what I was thinking of as well.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I don't think the hunt until message is botting at all
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: autogoto is botting imo, whether or not it's tied to a hunting plugin...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how do i get  {invmon}7,500609432,-1,-1  away
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: turn off invmon if you're not using it, or make your plugin gag it if you are
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: invmon
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaldach Tech: anyone on here play minecraft?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aterius Tech: garys mod is better
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: garys mod isn't really a game
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: minecraft isn't much of a game either in that sense
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I've heard there's an actual game mode
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think game features are making it in like survival mode, but yeah its mostly a toyblock simworld.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: kind off, but thatn again there are game maps/modes in garrys as well
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Games like that would be perfect wallpaper if it didnt require resources :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: they want people to pay for minecraft?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: So far 0 people have registered and 0 people bought the game. More stats here.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Actually I think the game sold quite a few, it's cheap.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: stats bug, minecraft is rather addicting, i bet loads of ppl already bought it... 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: 15 bucks if you buy it now and 20 if you buy it when it comes out
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think it helps alot they leave old versions as free on the site
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: When I tried it I thought this is cute, I'm going to buy it just for that (and that it's cheap)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: still even the new versions are lacking in functionality as of yet, i'm interesting what it will grow into tho
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I bet now there's something real to be gained they're having a hard time stopping all the cheats?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Like the flash multiplayer games like sherwood dungeon
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: cheats in gaming period or cheats in minecraft?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Took them years to even add basic security, and it's still security by obfuscation only :(
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: sometimes it does not look that they even try... you can force updates with a cracked client afaik
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Cheats in games like minecraft, and the flash example was an example of the worst case scenario (but alright thats flash)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Ah, I'm sick of the cheats in FPS games
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Anyone remember diablo 1? Where you could memory edit other ppl's char and it would replicate to them?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: you could use a hex editor on someone else character?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yep on battle.net you'd edit your local memory and it would replicate the changes to the server, so it wouldnt go out of sync, the other players stats were actually changed
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: They learned from that though I think :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: NEVER trust the client. Sheesh.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: well you could say that it was early days of online gaming, developers didn't know the basic rules yet :]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Back in the day the real fun was scanning ip classes for BO and netbus
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Then again it's unstoppable, silly future talk : I guess we could even hook up a petri dish of braincells and make it play a simple shooter, would that be cheating? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: it's not unstoppable for the most part, I mean "anything" will be possible.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I know like a decade ago they could already run a super simple flight sim, the cells just learned floor=bad, flying=good, and it learned how to stay in the air.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: we are going to transition into an age where the game is being ran on a machine not located in your home
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I know silly, but to demonstrate in the end developers will always be one step behind the next workaround :(
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: anyone remember a program you ran and it just sit there and played it own little game forever it had a online page for Rankings in it i just cant remember it 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Hero Quest
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Er, no. Progress Quest
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i think that was it thnks
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: well we are stepping into the age where home machines are used only for input/output :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: this is exacly what I mean
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: not only for gaming but in general
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah I suppose that could help a little if a server actually ran most of the client too, but output could still be externally processed and input generated.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I actually can't wait
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: The entire client is on the server, Your are strickly input and output
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: the only way to eliminate abuse is to eliminate the input entirely :]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: so as lomng as players exist, game abuse will exist as well, nothing you can do about it
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: it's completely different, all it recognises is game input. You'd have to do some serious hacking
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I guess the simplest solution is webcam playing, point a webcam at yourself which real ppl then look at to help determine a cheat :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm not playing with myself on webcam, no thanks.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But you gotta admit, it'd be pretty effective if you could just see the user and what's on the screen he's using :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: metria did we just trigger some bad memories?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yes.  I was in college, and I was hungry.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I did it for the money.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: nah I disagree Pittazz
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: back to the topic, even with web cams you can work around it... some AI with video rendering.. or just playing with stuff that was recorded before... very tricky but not impossible :]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: There might be game abuse involved some way but there will not be auto aim and mememory hacks in the technology that is coming out
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: sure it will
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you're trustign the client to render, you are still open to wallhacks and other such foolishness
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Btw there already exists hacks that can take any output , do stuff with it, and create an overlay over the game, that would still work on only input/output :(
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: auto it - reads pixel collors on screen, sends mouse and keyboard commands...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: nah the video feed is sent to you
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: the remote server does all the work and simply sends the HD quality feed to you
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can still bot
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: It's like saying you can hack CNN
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: By the time that's possible we could speculate the abilities of optical recognition have sky-rocketed too.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: that's what i said if you eliminate user input entirely, you can stop it, if user still can use ANY kind of input - it can be abused in some way :]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: um
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's possible 10 years ago
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: You could still automate playing like an MMO that only used normal input controls for playing the game
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: been there done that
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: and if you can get ocr to recognize stuff you could do even more
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: my old roommate botted guildwars based entirely on what was presented on the screen
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: right I said there might still be abuse, But I've never really cared about people who bot in MMO's
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: If you want to see just how bad it can get, visit silkroadonline :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: oh fps trigger bots are so pixel-reading-friendly :]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: What I'm saying is the cheating you have in games like CoD with instant auto aim will cease to exist
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't see why that would be the case
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It would be a blow yeah without super futuristic ocr capabilities. But like pittazz said trigger bots would still work (the ones that actually look at rendered view in the first place)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: nah, have a friend that writes aimbots that work just by reading pixels... you just have to figgure the right combination of pixels to aim for :]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: because you don't have access to the server the game is running on to install hacks
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it doesn't matter
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I could make a very effective aimbot for a game based just on a video feed
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: no way
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes way
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: the only aimbots that work well inject code
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not necessary
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: absolutely
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You don't have to inject code, you have to inject keypresses or mouse movements
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: look. I don't know what YOUR background is, but mine is computer vision.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: no inject themselves into the memory and everything that it does happens before the data gets to the video card
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's really not necessary
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: injection is vastly overrated.. you can just emulate keyboard/mouse just as easily
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: overrated? it's the only auto aim that "works" in new games
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are two subtasks: detect opponent and target
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Anyway the hypothetical scenario was a video feed, that would exlude bots working off ingame data or packets analysis
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you overestimate the complexity of detecting an opponent in a game
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm not overestimating anything.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: you are saying that it is imposible to hit a target by moving a mouse to it and clicking?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: calculating a distance is rather easy
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm saying that the only cheats that are making people competitive in new FPS games today that deal with AUTO AIM are cheats that work by memory injection.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Cheats that can know where the next bullet is going before it goes
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the reason why most aimbots don't process the image feed is because that eats cpu cycles and isn't guaranteed to always be perfect. that doesn't mean you couldn't still get headshots with 95% certainty every time with an extra CPU thrown in
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: don't confuse what is done with what is possible, because you apparently don't understand what is possible
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: What? I think it's the opposite. Example You just said :isn't guaranteed to always be perfect"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: If it's not the common case, it's impossible.  Didn't you get the memo?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: there isn't an FPS game out to day that isn't popular and not being destroyed by AA injection hacks
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: NdymionNokti: an aimbot that gives you 95% instant headshots is a very strong advantage. you don't need to get a 100% hit rate if you can just shoot twice.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: i believe you misunderstand injection concept in general :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: they are absolutely perfect, For example, a game where you have a sniper rifle and when you shoot the sniper rifle NO SCOPE the bullet goes in some random direction. The bots can make you aim in a crazy direction so that when the random bullet gets fired it gives you a headshot everytime
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and consider that in this case it gets easier for a computer to hit a moving target, whereas it's easier for the player to hit a still one. call it the good enough of both worlds
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I know what aimbots can do if they have access to internal code. I'm just telling you that you can still make a very effective aimbot without that access.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think you're in danger of discussing semenantics, perhaps we should restate the original premise.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: injection is how you send info to the server, it can be also done by emulating input (a bit of inconvinience, but not by much) what you are talking is readimg data from server, that is "memory reading", sure most bots read memory, because reading pixels on screen would make them more complicated/require more resources/make them a bit less accurate.... but really by less accurate it means 90% acuracy, that's not enough?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: There is no known cheat company producing any aimbot worth using that doesn't inject code into the memory
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: the best use you'll get out of those cheats are cams
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Technically speaking, doesn't Start -> Run -> cmd  actually "inject" code into memory?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: hehe i guess
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I wonder if NdymionNokti doesn't speak english as a first language
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: injecting code into a game memory isn't easy, The people making these hacks these days aren't some script kiddie
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Script kiddies by definition do not MAKE any hacks.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: no most of them take a older hack and modify it
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: actually, injecting code into a game isn't all that complicated
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: without getting caught?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: really?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define getting caught
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: botting terms - injection - pass false stuff to server, memory reading - getting info for stuff like botting, memory hooking - sending false requests and getting the info that the client doesn't really need at the time
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because if I see someone using an aimbot, then I've caught them
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: hooking can be detected rather easily, injecting - not so much, reading - virtually impossible
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Be careful throwing around words like "impossible"  ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think it's pretty hard to be sure if someone good is botting.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: he did say virtually. that means it's only impossible on the internet
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or if you're wearing funky wraparound goggles
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Crud.  I thought nothing was impossible on the internet   :(
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: only finding a woman
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: virtually might be wrong word for it, but you get the idea :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: There are no women on the internet.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Eh.  Minor cosmetic surgery, a little liquor...  close enough.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Elvendar is agreeing with that Birdbrain Metria person again...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: lots of dogs though
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I just have a hard time believing your friend has designed an aimbot that works off pixels and can effectively be 95% accurate in todays fps games
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Shouldn't he be working for the military?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: my friend also has a PhD in related work
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: that's amazing technology
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: it's not that hard
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: read a bit on autoit
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though I did say he botted guild wars, not fps aimbots
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm just talking about what is possible
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: you'll be writing bots in no time
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: that is technology our own military can't do that well when working with infrared output
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: erm
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's not actually true
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: most of the complication in vision problems comes from using low quality data
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Shoot, I've got a $150 video camera that does passably good face detection in the real world.  That's way harder than noticing a player in a FPS, and it has a lot less CPU suds to do it with.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: of course it is, unless you are throwing three satilites into the equation
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: with laser tagging
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Ok, I'm convinced NdymionNokti is a technobabble bot. They just switched his dictionary from Star Trek to Real World.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the images out of a computer game will be, if this comparison even makes sense, orders of magnitude clearer than any military video feed
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: reminds me a bit of Lemon
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: star trek?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Surely you've heard of Star Trek.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: detecting human outlines in infrared feed is really easy tbh... if you are sure that your friends are not there
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Once you lob a few bullets at 'em, they're not your friends anymore anyway...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: true that
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: "Halt!  Friend or fo...   oh, nevermind..."
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: it just hit me, are we really having this discussion after MS released kinekt?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I still think the star trek comment is hilarious
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: kinect uses structured light as a crutch
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: graduated from USAFA to be referenced with star trek
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: did you have to use an inverse tachyon pulse during your final exam?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: his pencil broke, so he rerouted all answers through the main deflector array
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I had to catch a tachyon with my teeth
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I failed.  Someone reversed the polarity on my pen  :(
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: He should have reversed the polarity on the pencil, then he could have written with the eraser.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Dammit, Erikson.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WOW!!@@!1 Not an Imm Erikson r hella l33t buffx0rz!!! he r flex0rz n u wantz him.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when you write it sucks up ink
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: http://www.damncheaters.com didn't become a mutli-million dollar company going in the wrong direction by detecting pixels
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and that's relevant how?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: and 95% is a joke, No pixel detecting aimbot can hit anything when the bullets are deviated
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you're trying to shoot the bullets now too?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what if they shoot your bullets back?!
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Curve the bullets like you're Angelina Jolie!
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: if you know your code it's advantageous to read memory than read pixels, but the argument was that it still can be done with reading pixels... go read obout auto-it, it's rather straightforward
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: what are you talking about?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: most aimbots are done using the the clients functions itself rather than pixels.. why you'd go through the hassle of pixel detection is beyond me
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: every big FPS game today uses bullet deviation
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: pretty common knowledge...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not having this conversation again. you apparently don't know how to listen
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: There are some games that lend themselves to pixel detection, the pro is it keeps working update after update. Mostly simple macro bots.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: you didn't have a conversation to begin with, you were stuck in some world where your friend is making retarded hacks
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: i think fiendish does more productive things than make hacks
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But you both kinda agree on this anyway, one is saying it's possible the other is saying it's not practical :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think both statements are true, with a few exception, for example silkroadonline has pixel detecting bots (and now clientless bots that emulate the client's packetmodel)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm saying , because I know. The only aimbots worth having theses days are ones that predict where the bullet is being deviated to.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: not exactly fps, but it's 3rd person view setting, and it works because the game is basicly attack,1,2,3 attack 1,2,3 repeat for 5 years :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: well you'd question an aimfix over an aimbot
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: if you don't have that are anything close to coordinated you better shut the whatever kind of fail aimbot you are using off and just use the cams
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: or
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: technically an aimbot will always hit its target
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Ping may cause it to miss I think unless it's setup as zero ping.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Coup de Calamar Tech: If you're using a bot to play an FPS, you suck. /discussion
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: If you have to aim, you're not using a big enough gun.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: depends on if the game using p2p or has a central server..
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: just for the sake of the argument: based on the size of the target it's rather easy to calculate the distance (we know pov anyway), also it's quite possible to guess target's movement speed based on environment, from this point calculating deviation is not a problem :]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But zero ping is horrible when there are botters, you might as well log off then in a fps :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: NdymionNokti: your inability to understand how, or even that, this problem can be solved without too much difficulty leads you to make comments like "worth having". that's a personal problem
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: were talking about the competitive fps games here, MW2, BC2 and ect
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: if theres a central server, lag never matters. everything is handled server side and unless there is packet loss it will be done
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: lag always matters
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: maybe to your playing experience.. but not a real aimbot
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: target might not be in that place anymore, where you/bot think it is
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: it doesn't matter.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: that's why things are server sided.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: That's not true, the clients data about where the other player is might not be entirely accurate due to prediction code and lag/packetloss/high ping.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: note what i said about packetloss, high ping could cause this
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: unless the server specifcly handles it zero ping, but most models dont use zero ping.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: in zero ping you get weirdness, someone with 500 ping could aim at you and you could die 1 sec after ducking behind that corner
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But it's kinda cool if your trying to multiplay on a bad network with modems and everyone is high ping anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: and if not it sends ppl into nerdrage which is also fun
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH1JzKxOEo8
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Not to mention hard, I know this stuff because I was into modding for unreal once upon a time, and making mods was alot harder than I thought :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: that video is an example. Only one kind of aimbot can pull off what is being done in that video
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: any other aimbot making those hits would be like winning the lotto
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I mean maps and trying to create stuff like turrets etc.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: an aimbot that works from pixels would miss everytime
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Depends, this silkroad game is slow and simple enough that it actually works, but I agree in fps it probably wouldn't do too well.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But there is something to be said for that, anyone remember quake 2? That had pixel detecting mods, and is a superfast game :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: but quake 2 didn't have bullet deviation
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: These days I just switch servers until it's not so bad :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: that's poor game design, not the quality of bot... you just don't send information to the client, it does not need to know...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: what is poor game design?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: One good thing is a central server and caught once is caught everywhere, banned with 100% proof, is banned across all games etc
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Ok in the video that is being posted. The sniper rifle is extremely inaccurate with no scoping. You likely can't hit a building infront of you.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: about the client not needing to know, I'm no expert on this but it seems modern games use alot of prediction code and for that too work it does need alot of information about movement of entities etc
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Because netcode without any form of prediction looks really lag above ping 30 or so
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: but the bot can hit everytime by pointing in just the right direction the split second you hit the left mouse button
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: lag=laggy
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: even though the bullet projection is completely random
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: yeah and were forgetting the trigger bots, they still help people will go left,right over the model of the enemy and the trigger bot handles when to fire, thats how it all started too somewhere in quake :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: true, but that's why you should send info about stuff that client might need to render in a next second or so...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: trigger bots are pixel friendly
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: all the cheats that I'm talking about are trigger bots
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: They can shoot the split second your hitbox makes view even before a pixel bot would have time to recognise the pixels
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: You have bots these days that can aim bouncing grenades off wall and calculate where it will intersect with a moving object after it bounced
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: they make up for deviation 100%
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: while a pixel bot would be shooting in a cone of fire..the bots IM talking about are shooting all bullets in a straight line
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: and ones that emulate human behaviour to avoid detection by spectating from a real person
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: every single bullet in games where it takes 4 or more bullets to kill.. are going in a straight line compared to a bot that sends them in a cone of fire where most miss
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Pixel bot in BC2 wouldn't kill anyone with a full clip
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: at 50 meters of game distance
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: the smart ones actually dont aim exactly at the same spot to avoid detection :( in case you were thinking of ways to detect.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: detection is only done by acquiring the hack and patching for it
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: as of today
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah thats where a central server helps alot
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: seriously, i've already explained how you can compensate for deviation with a pixel bot, and noone is saying that memory read bots a re not supperior, so what are you trying to proove exactly?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: The consequences of getting caught being far reaching.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Impossible Pittazz
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: there is absolutely no way a pixel bot could make up for deviation,
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: and thats not virtually impossible or likely impossiple, it's impossible
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: all you need is distance, movement speed/trajectory of the target, and game variables... a bit tricky, but not that much
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: game variables "the game sends the bullet in a random direction"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: it doesn't
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: more or less, It calculates a random direction with few rules
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: like it's not going to make the bullet go behind you...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, any game that does that is stupid :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: all games do that now
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: and games that don't fail
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: then all games are stupid, besides this one
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: there is no "random" in computing :]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you'll notice that aardwolf sends no bullets in random directions. that's why i'm here ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I knew you were going to say that Pittazz and you are taking it way out of context like you've done other things
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: that totally didnt make any sense
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: let's build an aread with bullets that fly in random diredtions?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, mobs do move randomly, so i suppose technically any bullet mob does move in a random direction...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: when it comes down to it no pixel bot can predict where a bullet is going to go when it doesn't always travel where you point
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: and let's also make it that it's only possible to kill bullets with a weapon called "aimbot-that-is-not-pixel-based"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I should have given up on explaining common sense when deviate was taken to mean curve
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: in any case by the time when they can afforrd to create fully server-based games and by the time the clients can afford reliable internet, which can stream whole output from server, which is only case when memmory reading will not be available, I am quite sure image processing and other needed techniques will be even more advanced and creating a bot won't be a problem... so this discussion is pointless?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you're only realizing that this discussion is pointless now? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: nah, but i'm really borred and trying to prove something... i'm also yet to find out what...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I realized earlier but I was still hoping
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: http://www.onlive.com/#1
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: they just put that together since you said that Pittazz, they must be working quick
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I've been playing mafia 2 on my ipad for some time now
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: and if you didn't know ipads arn't capable of running mafia 2
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: the home console is going bye bye
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Oh, please.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: oh please what, everything he just said to be something in the great future is already a service and fully functional
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: an video game companies are hopping in it like its crack
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I suspect you would know about crack.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: His mom was probably on it.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Your mom was probably raped on the shortbus by a guy in a wheel chair.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: pretty sure personal attacks aren't allowed public channels.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: can we please leave moms out of this chat? they rarely are tech-friendly
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: and you really don't want to get into insults with someone smarter than you
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: In that case you do not worry me :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: i bow to your smartness
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: thank you, thank you
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: i'm not sure of english equivalent but the saying in my language goes as this: give a way to an idiot
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: This idiots tends to go fast.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Stop, I'm gaining so much troll points now since it started with my question :p I order you all to make up now :p
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I did 145mph this morning on water
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: now back to working on  P vs NP
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Trying to prove it or disprove it?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: equality, that is
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: trying to prove that whatever it is, it'll never be worthwhile, because aimbots have to hook or something stupid like thta
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: fiendish, not necessarily :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: proving if it can be proved or not
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: to find out how everything works.. but then afterwards, you can just call while being in the address space
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: it's already proven, that proving if it is provable is impossible
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: so you are one of those
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: only thing that has been proven is there hasn't been enough research into it
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pittazz  doubts that everyone is talking on the same topic
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Failed treatments to date: Beta blockers, calcium channel blockers, adrenalin injections, high dose ibuprofen, steroids, Trager Mentastics, violent exercise, cafergot suppositories, caffeine, acupuncture, marijuana, Percodan, Midrine, Tenormin, Sansert, homeopathics. No results.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Mathematics is the language of nature. Two, Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. Three: If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nowoo Tech: You watching PI?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Therefore, there are patterns everywhere in nature. Evidence: The cycling of disease epidemics
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: id suggest a bullet as a cure for you, one is enough
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: he wax and wane of caribou populations
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: sun spot cycles
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: the rise and fall of the nile
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I have it playing
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm too successful to end it all now, Pittazz.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: 'coz you haz an ipad?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: coz I can track my 6000hp MTI on my ipad
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: was it stolen? (hence the need to track it)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: triangulating to get an accurate speed
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tricycle Tech: any SDL programmers?  If so, which language do you use?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: c++
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tricycle Tech: do you think SDL is still viable for modern game development?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suppose it depends on the platform and what kind of game
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: SDL 1.3 is in permanent limbo iirc
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tricycle Tech: this would be cross-platform (linux, mac, PC) 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tricycle Tech: really, I hadn't checked it out in awhile... maybe I should catch up on the literature.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and SDL 1.2's joystick support left me desiring more
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tricycle Tech: I played with a Perl SDL port for awhile, just not fast enough. 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: granted i was doing something not exactly gamelike and wanted to capture button events without having focus
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so perhaps my problems won't translate
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or maybe that was keyboard. I think it was the keyboard support.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: whatever
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also the documentation isn't very good
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Anyone know why the mapper won't find some rooms in the labyrinth, but it will find others?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: maze rooms does not have all of the usual tags of the normal rooms
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: labyrinth isin't a maze... is it?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: how do you see the rooms tags anyhow?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: type TAGS to find the tag name, then do TAG name ON/OFF
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: well they are synonims, and tags usually are hidden from view
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: unless you are referring to GMCP codes, then you should not be seeing them at all.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: and what rooms are giving the mapper trouble?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: zmud: how do I assign something to a specific position in a string list? i.e. something that does set varname.position = x
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: your choices are %concat() for position 1, #additem/%additem() for last position, and %replaceitem() for anything inbetween.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: thank you. replaceitem may be what I want although additem may be promising as well
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: additem is only for adding to the end of the stringlist
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: What the hell is a super key? I understanda  key, but...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: n
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: mix
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in what context are you asking?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_%28keyboard_button%29
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Database systems
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Oh, in that case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tlaloc nods to Metria, fighting with why a superkey is different from a key, and thinking he getrs it.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: anyone familiar with zmud scripts want to tell me what's wrong with this? ^Your (*) (%x) (%w) (%x) (*)~! ~[(%d)~]$ ( it's supposed to capture damage done to a single mob (for averaging and total calculations)), but it bugs out when there's more than or equal to three white spaces in the mobs name (for %5, mobname)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what do you mean by bugs out?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: %5 won't be the mobs name if it has more than or equal to three spaces in the mobs name (%5)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: if you could test it with: #show Your shocking bite -<[=-+-=]<:::<>:::> GLACIATES <:::<>:::>[=-+-=]>- a drowned sailor! [461]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: you'll see what i mean
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: are you sure the trigger is matching at all?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: yes, i tested it..
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: check your other variables, see what they contain.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: i did, as was the purpose of testing :P it works out perfectly until there's 3 whitespaces in %5
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: my guess is that perhaps one of your * is grabbing more than you think it is
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: using "a drowned" as the mobs name (with #show) will do as wanted
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: but, "a drowned sailor" bugs it
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: do you have a reason to capture the mob name?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: since you're just trying to capture total dmg done
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: not really a reason to capture the mob name, but it'd like to be able to get the damagetype done 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: and it doesn't capture properly if %5 would be like the previously mentioned mob name (and not just specific, it's accountable for white spaces)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: dunno i prefer using regex
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: don't use regular zmud script very often.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there's no functional difference between regex and zscript in ZMud.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: didn't say there was, i just prefer regex syntax
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: are you just wanting to match the obscenely symbolized damage messages like in your example?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: no, the damagetype, not the fluff
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: (shocking bite, etc)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: have you attempted to use a stringlist pattern?  The problem I see with your pattern is that your damtype * is going to overmatch on the nonsymbolicized messages, probably causing your %1 to contain more than intended.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeilhuitl Tech: i just read that global spam levels have dropped. the thing that interest me, is how much traffic does email take. as in how many terabyes/second
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: for example, something like "shocking bite MARS"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: dokkar, i noticed that
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: but i was just attempting to get it to work with the fluff i know will exist around my level
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeilhuitl Tech: that way i can make a guesstimate on the amount of "wasted" money on filtering
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: (at the time i was testing)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: maybe look into regex to see if it can match a specific number of words instead of just "any amount of letters and whitespace"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: or, since the damtype stringlist is likely to be far bigger, perhaps compile a stringlist of the beginning of each damage-level message
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that might cut out a lot of the stringlist proper via duplication of the symbolics
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: i don't see the fluff being the problem
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: i've ran it in the test a few times, and it just borks on the whitespaces for %5
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no, that's just the end result.  The problem is caused by something in the pattern long before your %5 wildcard
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you realize that %x is also going to grab letters, right?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: until a space..
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: which i know will be there
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and that * grabs any character printed, excluding special characters used by ZMud?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: yes, i read the helpfile
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: but i implicitly specified a to capture everything until a space
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: so it should get the damagetype and stop
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: it*
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: hence ^Your (*)SPACEHERE
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: i'm very familiar with pattern matching, and string manipulation, afais there is nothing wrong with the pattern according to the help-file, but i asked because i know there could be something wrong with on account of being unfamiliar with zmuds scripting in particular
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: In databases, can anyone describe or point to me a description of a minimal basis?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what do you get for each of your variables if you did #SAY "%1" etc
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: NM, think I figured it out
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I still think you have a wildcard capturing more than you think it is
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: based on the pattern given i tested, 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: %1:shocking bite -<[=-+-=]<:::<>:::> GLACIATES
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: %2: <:::<>:::>[=-+-=]>- 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: %3: a, %4: drowned, %5: sailor, %6: 461
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: if i use  "a drowned" as %5, it will be as wanted
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: (just 1 whitespace for %5)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: see what I mean?  wildcards (particularly *) always capture as much as they can.  Based on the pattern you flipped up here, you were expecting %1 to just contain "shocking bite", right?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: yes, but why would having more than 1 whitespace in %5 cause it to capture everything until the space after GLACIATES?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: since there is a space after bite
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: because it matches the pattern.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: in this case, logically, it should capture shocking only, because ^Your (*) (shocking(space))
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: unless when you implicitly specify a space to after (*) and it still continues capturing it doesn't actually do what you think it would
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: instead of (*) used ([%s%w])
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: no?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Le do, lo  Shakia peers intently at Dokkar.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: nope, * will match everything that isn't a special character in ZMud.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: haven't checked it, but should only capture words/spaces then.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: then why isn't it only capturing "shocking"?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: because there's an implicit space after the wildcard in particular
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: because * matches spaces, the alphabet, numbers, and symbolics.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I thought you read the helpfile?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: i did.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: i actually have it open now
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: but that doesn't answer the question 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: i still have a space to STOP at for the wildcard
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: patternmatching doesn't work like that.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: it does for my other triggers
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it always matches as broadly as possible, and somewhere further into the line of text the pattern STILL matches.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and no, your other triggers work properly because the pattern match is narrow enough to stop where you expected it to stop.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: then give me an example that will work, without the need for %s
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: because that's just wasting varargs
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: hmmm... if i wanted the damage verb in mush, i'd do a trigger of "* Your shock * a *"
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: %2 would be the damage verb
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: i don't want it to be specifically tailored to a damagetype
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ^Your {amtypes} * ~[(%d)~]$
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: in zscript how do you account for a part of a trigger may or may not be there?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: whoops
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ^Your {@damtypes} * ~[(%d)~]$
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nowoo Tech: ^Your %1 <*><*> LIQUIDATES <*><*> %2! [%3]
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: you're suggesting a stringlist of comparisons?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: that's overhead 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: use the "don't be greedy" marker in regex
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: a string of damage types perhaps?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: shakia isn't using regex, so can't
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: anaristos, will try that
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you could get a little cleverer and instead of matching on the stringlist of damage types you match on the probably much shorter list of damage levels
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i note a lot of those damage verbs starts with -, * and <
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: Your [%w%s] {<|various|other|symbols|and|letters}
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Natasmai Tech: any ideas on why i get a infinite trigger loop with this pattern ^(%w) ((*)) tells the CLAN:(*)  trigger#CAPTURE 1 F_C
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Natasmai Tech: cmud
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shazar Tech: heya anyone know a good plugin to send a message to gtalk whenever there's a war in range for mush?:)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You could make a trigger for that yourself.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth nods at Turie.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Or I'll do it for $2M :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shazar Tech: lol i can make a trigger to let me know there's war but how do i make it so it only lets me know when the war's in my range?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shazar Tech: or did you mean make a trigger for every range?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Capture the the two levels, and compare them to your current level.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Natasmai Tech: any ideas on why i get a infinite trigger loop with this pattern ^(%w) ((*)) tells the CLAN:(*)  trigger#CAPTURE 1 F_C
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I suck at Regex though...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: mistell.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: just #CAP <windowname>
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: trigger: ^* tells the CLAN:*
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: better yet, use gmcp :)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i need help with the installation of a network printer with windows 7 64 bit
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i have the drivers and all, and can see the printer on my network, but after selecting to install the drivers, it gives a "Windows cannot connect to the printer. Operation failed with error 0x00000002."
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Take the printer, and immidiatly throw it out of a window
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: done, and then?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Thats all, process complete
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: It now works as intended
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: just a sec, need to afk, police knocking on my doors
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: That's what you get for tossing stuff out of windows...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: live in a high rise?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: 12th floor
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: yeah people on the sidewalk probably don't like the printer...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i off'd uac, the antivirus, double checked the file and printer sharing... i just don't know whats wrong
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Well, your said windows 7 64 bit right?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: U R using Windows :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: you said even
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: well, theres your problem right there
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: tried googling 0x00000002 ? there's a few responses.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the driver says it's meant for 64 bit? i even tried the windows xp on earlier
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i already tried googling, seems like most of them have a problem locating the printer on the network in the first place
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Is it wireless?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: my problem starts after their solution ends, it fails during the install
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: nope, all wired
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: http://forums.techarena.in/hardware-peripherals/1323405.htm 
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: that site has 3 different solutions to installing a printer, none work?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Try setting up the printer on that one computer alone first, then set it up on the network
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredibly Flat Tech: almost certainly the printer disk/cd gives specific instructions for installation. I've had network printers that MUST install the driver and software from the cd before you plug the printer in or turn it on
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the printer is already working on one computer btw
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the solution for T.J in that forum seemed to work until... "Inable to install EPSON TX300F Series, Type 3 - User Mode, x64 driver. Operation could not be completed (error 0x00000002).
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: unable*
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: okay, probably a dumb qn, but is your printer compatible with win 7 64?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: fustrating since i can clearly see the printer on the other print server
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i assume it is? the driver when i downloaded it specified win 7 64 bit?
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: shrug.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the downloaded file also has a x64 behind....
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: thts a hint...
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Hmm, well, filenames can lie, but I'm gonna ssume you got it from a trustworthy site... if not, that might be your problem. ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Anyway, good luck with it. I'd rather stay here and help than write this assignment... but it's due in 2 hours, so I better. :P
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas gallantly tips his hat.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: it's from epson
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: alright, i just tried the registry thingy, i'll restart my com later and hopefully it'd work.
T3/r2/2011-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i tire of having to transfer my file (via the same network even) and going over to press print.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gladavar Tech: Anyone know of a way to simulate gmcp info being sent from the server in CMUD?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gladavar Tech: it looks like two game ticks equals one unit of time on the quest timer, that sound about right?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: ja tic=30seconds
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: two ticks=60seconds=a minute
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: omg how long is THREE TICKS??  :o
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos holds his roll of tape tightly and grins wickedly.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanaye Tech: Anyone here who plays Dead Space via Steam?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gladavar Tech: in CMUD 3.33a, if I wanted to gag someone, is it possible to use the player key of a comm.channel GMCP trigger or would I still need to use my old regular trigger for that?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: How the heck to i remove a install from the apt-get install queu in Ubuntu? It keeps hanging and stopping on this one download, and i can't get it out of the stack. Every time i apt-get install a new package it tries to do the that one again.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: are you talking about removing a repository?  edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file to remove it.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: nah, not the repository
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: The download itself
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: apt-get --purge remove <package>?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Will try that
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: May need to switch the remove and --purge, but you get the idea, anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Trying to get the latest Tintin to work in Ubuntu.  Get the file using wget http://sourceforge.net/projects/tintin/files/TinTin%2B%2B%20Linux%20Binary/2.00.5/tintin-2.00.5-linux.tar.gz/download.  I extract it and get the tt++ file out of it.  sudo chmod 755 tt++, yet when I type tt++ it says "-bash: /usr/games/tt++: cannot execute binary file"
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I just built it from source, no problem.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: How do you do that?  Is that easyier?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: is there a way to make zmud 7 not display the map tags?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, if you know how to do it, it's simple.....
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ok then, not simple
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: tags map off
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But try ./tt++ instead, to run the correct one...
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Still says -bash: ./tt++: cannot execute binary file
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Wierd that the latest version from apt-get is only .1
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: probably you downloaded a web page
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: try "file tt++"
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: what does file tt++ say
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ranrr )
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: tt++: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: are you on a 64 bit system?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: you on 64 bit
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: That was my question too.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: Ranrr I think I am going to get you carry on here:-)
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Can't remember But I think it's Athlon 64...
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: check uname -a
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: try downloading a 32 bit version
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: is's not if processor is capable, but if the enviroment is 64bit... thinking about it, it's better to check file /bin/ls
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: or compile it yourself -- if I remember right, that's pretty easy
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ok yeah 32 bit system I think.  at least when I type file /bin/ls
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: heh, doesn't look like my friend's day, 2 hdd failures
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: tell your friend to get SSDs
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i don't think that's very likely, given their price
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: makes me cringe, both my drives are now out of their 5 year warranty
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: having warranty does not protect your data :P
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't care about the data, that's backed up
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (his isn't - har har)
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ahem
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: as long as you have backups it's not that big of an issue, all hardware has limited lifetime
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (ignoring "the UK tax") $150 will get you a pair of crappy 1TB drives to give redundancy :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, usually of the "not enough" lifetime
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well, he's getting a spare 500gb i have kicking around and that's all i can do
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: hate modern hdd's, they're rubbish
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: that's why i try to stop the urge to get an ssd, on top of being pricy, their lifetime is rather worrying
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'll look up the life on his later, but it's probably 2yrs max
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they're kind of rubbish by necessity...that much density requires so much precision, with a tiny speck off meaning so much more data than it used it
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: then i'd rather have less density
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, but the consumers demand to push the envelope
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's because consumers are typically dumbarses
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, but they're the ones that drive the companies
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yup
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as soon as drive company x came out with a drive of capacity y, everything else wasn't good enough, so all companies had to follow suit
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: it's always been a race of numbers
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm MUDding from a 9GB SCSI drive ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which is why nothing lasts these days
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: pc stuff should a mandatory 5yr warranty on it :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what's worrying about the lifetime of an ssd?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: prom the other point of view, it does not make sense to make something to last, it's more likely that you want them to buy another set of it as soon as warranty ends :]
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: ssd by default has a much shorter lifetime than hdd
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if it doesn't last 5yrs, pittaz, i won't be buying it again
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no it doesn't
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so from my custom point of view, it's totally worth their while
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: even an MLC SSD will last many years of normal use before write cycles become an issue, and an SLC SSD will basically last you forever except for electrical failure
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, but therein lies the rub, tiger...will they lose more in your singular business than they'll gain from others buying replacements?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: honest, abe? couldn't give a monkies
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: there is a reason why it is recomended to disable virtual memory / swap, when using ssd, and why win7 disables defragmenting for ssds by default - they have rather limited number of "writes" compared to hdd
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and neither could they (about you ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: we've already established the world is full of idiots, it's hardly worth my effort trying to change that
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: disabling defragmenting is done because fragmentation doesn't have any performance impact on an SSD
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: true that too, but both reasons were noted
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and a reasonably good SSD will let you write hundreds of gigabytes per day every day for years before running out of cycles
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and that's not even talking about SLC
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: it might be the case that lifetime of ssd is not short, but it's a fact that it's shorter than hdd (of rougly equal quality)
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: hdd's do seem to be a desktop's weakpoint atm
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you pay more, but an SLC drive will last you forever
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: on the side note i AM planning to replace my hdds with a nice sdd raid :]
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and you can throw an SSD around and not worry about dust or moisture
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: ssd*
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'm going to continue using my pair of 74gb wdd drives until they die tyvm
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and when they die, despite being >5yrs old, i'll still complain about it because i'm skint
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so Nick works for Apple?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: woops
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: how do I disable that my client automaticly makes a new command like when using dotcomma (using muchclient)
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: use ;;
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: thank you :) 
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: This will sound weird, but does anyone know if there's a way to get windows to not try to access or write to a specific part of my hard drive?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Which part?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: with a little bit of fdisk magic... but it would involve serious reorganization
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Just like a specific sector or something. Seems like there's a part on my hard drive that isn't working and my computer freezes when it tries to read or write to it.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Replace the drive.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Huan is agreeing with that Birdbrain Metria person again...
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: it will only get worse, and probably very quickly
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: just run the error checking in disk properties and check the "try to repair bad sectors" with some luck windows will block damaged parts
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you're sure the drive is actually bad, I'd just replace it. New drives are dirt cheap these days.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: exact wording of options might be differemt, don't have windows at hand to check
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: actually, if it gets so bad as for windows to freeze, it's better to just get a new drive, check it with smart tools of some sort, smart will quietly remap bad blocks if possible, and yours look like impossible anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Apologies if I sound rude, but I do want to clarify that I asked how I can fix the drive, not my computer..
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If the drive is truly failing, then you cannot "fix" it.  It will limp along a little longer, than die horribly and take all your precious bits with it.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: What OS? can you run fsck?
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Win 7.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Oh. Then no. No help from *nix commands.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Try Windows Check Disk utility, then http://www.w7forums.com/use-chkdsk-check-disk-t448.html
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Sorry if I am telling you obvious things you have already tried.
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Heh, not a problem.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: Quick question, I use Microsoft Security Essentials andthe new update says I'll be sending them more info. Is there a concern currently or in the near future that they can see I pirate ufc etc and nail me that way? If that makes sense... :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: personally, I don't give Microsoft the time of day, every time they ask for data I say no. But that's me. They say they don't propagate the information, but that's a matter of trust.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: microsoft already has your michine id, which is how they verify you leased their software.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so basically, any data you send them can be traced back to you.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: I leased their software?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, you don't buy software, you lease it. Read the terms :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: I didn't pay anything though, it's their free AV program.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, you didn't pay for it, but still you don't own it, they own it and you use it under a lease agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: Ahhhhh, just confused me cuz when I hear lease I think money.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, if you "buy" their software, is the same thing, you actually lease it but they retain ownership.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: true for jus about anyone, even the ones that give freeware away.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: another reason for open source...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I am not sure that open source is any different. It comes with a license, even if it is a GNU license which is very liberal. Ownership of the intellectual property is retaine dby the author(s).
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why do Seagate make it so utterly impossible to return a drive in warranty to them?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I've never had a problem with them
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well it would be a start, having gone through their warranty validation page, if there were a link to book it in for replacement
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but that would be too easy
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: well, you could always use consumer protection legislation if you are EU
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: I always liked WD drives more though
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: their website is crap, dreadfully slow too, it's like being on dialup
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: fecking crap, you ask to begin a chat with an agent, gives you a form which is mostly off the page in a window whose size has been fixed and the scroll bars turned off. You manage to get that done navigating with shortcut keys, and it then gives you knowledgebase articles. GIVE ME THAT GOD DAMNED EMAIL ADDRESS ALREADY YOU SOD 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: after all that, no support agent available, so it asks to leave a message, you type a message, and now you get a broken webpage saying "unauthorized"
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: just about says it all for Seagate
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: bottom line, stay away from Seagate :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not my pc, not my hdd
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'd go back to pen and paper, myself
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: hard to find a 100G paper pad
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you buy it piecemeal :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: their damn contact form has crashed now
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: how crap can one company be?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: have you ever dealt with DirectTV's customer support?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't have directtv in this country
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if people give up they don't need to replace the hd :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ahh well lucky you
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Seagate used to dominate the hd market, they have taken a dive in the last 15 years.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: which country are you in, Tigernuts?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i went through 6 phone calls, 2 emails and finally a report to the better business bureau to get a piece of paper showing signature on a contract.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: UK, Swalec
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: now, lets contrast that with WDD warranty checker that i'm going to use for this other drive :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: how did you buy the harddrive?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yeah, and you are in the evening tomorrow :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: mis :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: supplier channels
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: heh, wdd checker works fine except for some dumbarse web programming
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: did you buy it as a consumer or with a credit card?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: once drive got into the megabyte range, Seagate folded :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: neither
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Gbyte, I mean.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: wdd warranty expires 1st March 2011, therefore it's out of warranty
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Nimwit Velian raises an eyebrow.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: interesting? did you buy if for time machine?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the point that I am trying to make, anyway, is that you may be trying the wrong place -- normally, the retailer is responsible for replacement. If you used a credit card, you can use the consumer credit act
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's not true
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I would never be asking seagate for a replacement
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well it's the OEM warranty
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, it's an oem warranty, you go to manufacturer
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I would
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it's up to you, of course, bash your head against the website of an OEM if you choose
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: wdd's out of warranty on 1st March 2011 is because the guy who wrote the website is an american, and not a very bright one at that
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: to my knowledge, 1st March 2011 is in 2 months time
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yes, it is to everyone else too
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: 4 weeks from Tuesday.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: well, then I am totally not understanding your situation
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the issue is probably that, despite writing for a UK website, and it even saying "United Kingdom" right above the table, they've formatted the date in american style, which has the date and month reversed compared to the rest of the known universe
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: actually the US is not the only country that uses that format, though none of those countries are in Europe.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (or relevent)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, there still should have been a printable document with the information.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: multi-nationals should use DD-MON-YYYY rather than DD-MM-YY or MM-DD-YY, avoids confusion on a number of levels
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: or simply name the month.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they won't use the whole month, needs to be a regular format for most tabular displays
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so what have we learned this year so far: Seagate's website is full of bugs and backed by a really dodgy server, WDD's server is fine, website accessible, but has some human errors on it, Acer's website is bug-free, but their staff are dodgy....
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: Acer dodgey ?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: their saints compared too most, they resend broken stuff within 2 weeks fixed and all
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: other companies it's usually 6 weeks
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: whom
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: Acer
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you're kidding right? their instant reaction to a support request is "send us $80 and the laptop and we'll diagnose it for you"
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: when all you asked for was a bios file which wasn't on their website, which i later found on their un-linked, unadvertised, but publicly available ftp site
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: I never had a problem with them yet, then again I always keep my reciets and can proof it's still in the waranty period
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i got My toshiba laptop back 7 days after sending it when my HD crashed.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: next too that dutch law makes it so that any electrical mechine has to work 3 years without a problem or repairs are for the producer
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i wish that would be made worldwide
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: actually, i'd argue for 5 years, but there
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: well it depends on the appliciance here
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: is that law in force yet?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: washing machines have to atleast go for 5 years 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: it's always been in force here
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: since the 60's i believe or something like that
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: do you find a difference in the variety of models on sale tehre?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: more then enough
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: we just have alot of consumer laws that prevents big companies from screwing over customers
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: let me rephrase that: Do you find less variety in the 'entry-level' models available, and do you find the cost higher because they're forced to provide 3yr warranties instead of 1?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: well we do have "some" less choice, seeming we don't really get the new stuff in stores right away
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i heard rumours that some new stuff in the US only comes with 6 months
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: but in general, stuff is just as accesible and in some cases even less expensive then in the rest of the world
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: do some companies try and wiggle out of it by forcing you to pay for the carriage?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: ohhh some companies try all kinds of stupid tricks
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: like saying it has only 1 year waranty and such
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: but thats bullshit, thats store waranty
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: they try and confuse you with that
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: seeming the store isn't responcible if the item is broke, but the manufacters is for 3 years
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: according to our laws
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: all chainstores here will stipulate in the terms of sale that all warranties past 28 days are direct with manufacturer
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which is UK law
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: and ofc apple is famous here for selling "waranty" which you are basicly intitled too trew law anyho to try and make the costs back out of it
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: o ye we have a basic return law too, first 3 or 4 weeks of a purchase the store is responsible
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: there was always a 'fit for purpose' clause in the 1979 sales of goods act here which some people tried to use as an excuse to get out of warranty stuff fixed, but the fact is, if a manufacturer gives a 1 year warranty, they expect it to last 1 year. if they expect it to last 1yr, then it's fit for purpose lifespan is 1 year
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: ye well companies are companies, they'll do anything to save or make a few bucks
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: some just try too atleast for abit please their consumer, but thats slowly dying in this economy aswell
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'm in favour of making manufacturers responsible for the recycling of their goods in-country, too
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that would get some kind of green responsibility going
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: they are already, they found away around that though....
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: Collect the shit in your country, send it to africa and dump in their
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, well they shouldn't be able to do that
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's disposal, not recycling
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: lol, alot of things shouldn't be tolerated
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well, tis up to people
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: how do you think big industry countries can reduce their co2 while expanding their industry
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the arabs are beginning to wake up, time for the rest of us too
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: I can tell you, it's now how you think....
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: co2 is measure in your total air space and the stuff you pump out, and get some cubic thingie outta that that indicates how poisionous your being
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: what did our great leaders think of
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ultimately, aiming for increased expansion is counterproductive
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: we'll just buy the air from a third world country that hardly has any co2 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: and tada, you can still be a poisonous idiot but on paper it looks like your actually being cleaner....
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: politicians aren't renowned for their balanced and intelligent thinking, and neither are voters
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: I wish half of the people in my country would lose their right to vote
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: especialy those idiots in the south that can only think about money when all the southern provinces do is take money from the socialist north
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: a media type in the UK some months ago actually suggested, in seriousness, that the way to solve the gap in funding for public pensions, is to encourage people to have more children
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: thats how fucked up my country is, people with money wanna share, peopel without money wanna keep everything to themselves
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i just sat their with my mouth wide open
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: Gouverments only think of the solution for the immediate problem
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: they don't think what will happen after they implement what they want to implement
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well of course, their motivation is self-interest, themselves and what their core voters will think
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and their core voters only think how it will affect them directly
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which is why we had 12 years of left wing government
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and why we're now bankrupt
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: lol trust me, everyone says the left wings are responcible, but their social reforms are nothing compared too the stupid crap of the right wings
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: example, right wingers here said that EVERYONE should be able to buy a house
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: any time you go to an extreme you'll have problems
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: so people on welfaire did so
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: they couldn't afford to maintain the house though
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: so the house plummits in worth
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: and more of societies money is trown into the gutter
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well the problem with that is not the statement
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yes, the people on welfare are dumb for trying
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but the blame really should be laid at the feet of the bankers
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what on earth were they thinking giving people on welfare a mortgate?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: no our gourverment was dumb for letting those people have the right to try
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: because they have the right by law man
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why would you need a law to say that you have a right to buy a house?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: there is no such law here - we don't need one
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: They were thinking "Either they pay up, or we own the house, and the house is sure to only go up in value over time! Also, we'll put the risk into an indecipherable package and get it rubberstamped as an AAA investment"
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: because some right wing idiot that that would give a base capital to even the poorest people on the count they have a house
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: it was a very stupid unthought out plan
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: doesn't sound very right wing to me
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: right wings are materilistic
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: left wings are also materialistic
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: you really have the wrong impression of a left wing
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's accurate for the left wing -here-
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and the left wing in the states, if I believe how it's reported
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: US has no appreciable left wing by european standards.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: well the states doesn't really have a left wing
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: they just have very righ and right people
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: thats why their so fucked up and shit 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Atila the Hun would be a liberal in the US :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: they hae basicly no social laws
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the left wing in this country believe that people who work hard and succeed should be punished financially for their efforts, and those who sit on their arse and do nothing should be rewarded with huge amounts of cash
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: Despite people making abuse of social laws 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: wouldn't you find it pleasurable that if you had a serious accident
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: the UK social support is very, very flimsy, though it has some loopholes that some exploit
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yes, I've always been a fan of that ethos, after all, it's clearly a sensible thing, rather than an obscure caricature
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: you'd atleast get the money to survive
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: hmm that sounds right-wing to me :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: without having too worry
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which is why the left wing is all anti-bank-bonuses, whereas the actual problem is not the amount of the bonuses, but the method by which the bonus pot was calculated
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the amount being the result of the calculation, no?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: bonuses arn't the problem either, it's the banks way of working no days
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: they lend more money then they actually have thinking they'll make it back anyho
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: and then when a investment fails, they lose money they never had in the first place
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, pretty much - the bonus calculation methods are such they are rewarded for success but not penalised for failure
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which means they'll tend to take risky strategies
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: the problem is that many governments still seem to think that coorperations care in anyway about the country they are in, their labour force, the enviroment, or anything else besides their stockholders. 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the problem is that the banks have too much power and can hold the rest of society to ransom
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: solution in the UK is simple, regulate how the bonus pots are calculated so that it's more balanced, and make sure they pay income tax on the bonuses, not capital gain
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: only because the poeple are convinced that they need that which they borrow to buy. 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: but Tiger, a left winger doesn't want someone thats lazzy to get free money from society, but he also doesn't want too leave people that had misfortunes in leave to their own devices, where a society and we should take care of each other
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: and most left wingers will prolly rather have that lazzy person and the disabled person to get money then neither of them. because it's the better thing to do
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: as an added bonus when you go down the street you won't have to say no sorry alot when asked for spare change :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: indeed because people can make use of socials laws so they don't have to beg and be on the street
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: and so what it costs you a extra 20 bucks a month, it means a whole life to someone else
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Perhaps it depends a bit on where you live, if it's legal to park a trailer somewhere in the middle of nowhere with a working car you might get by, but some countries there's literally no place to goto but hang out in villages/cities.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Plus what to do when they have kids.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: Heh, they should really launch a campaign that kids cost money, because you make a good point with that
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But on the positive side I think no benefits whatsoever from the government probably has a cost to society too. (so not the full 100% of that spent money is wasted)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: ohhh theirs defenatly a cost, but it's nothing compared too what your gouverment spends on other stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: you'd pull your hairs outta your head when you hear the numbers they put down for some new millitary hardware
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: 1/3 of our national debt would be paid if we didn't order the new fighter yets, and yet their still discussing if they should or not --'
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: fighter jets*
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: all of our social law expenses for a year put together doesn't even come to half the amount of that
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: Nah, that's a misunderstanding launch. It's a onetime figure in the range of 6B, and our structural overspending is currently around 10B E. (Not the 18B the current government is trying to cut)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: we already paid up to 2b for development cost
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: and they still need 6 bil too get em
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you make it sound as if 6B is a pittance.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah gov should lower the threshhold at which it thinks big projects are beneficial, and put down more money to keep an eye on each stage, 2nd opinions along the entire route.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: actually second opinions is what is delaying it so long and making it cost extra money
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: if we just went full speed ahead from the start it prolly cost around 5 bil tops
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: we're looking at 8 bil total now
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: All true, but the deficit is yearly. So they need to get 10B/year to stop those complete, not a onetime 6B (I agree it's a lot, and useless btw, but not buying the JSF won't solve anything permanently)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: try paying off that 1/3 of debt, you gona see more foreigners coming into the country, not for holiday but air strike. airforce must be maintained.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: anyone you do make profits when for instance, lockheed/boeing sell their aircrafts/package etc. those are really expensive stuff. of course to allied countries
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Nah it's managers/contractors in each step colouring up the picture, creating a completely distorted picture of actual costs. (in my opinion)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: well that they want new fighter planes, great, but atleast buy new ones, with all their delaying the JSF are out of date already
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: JSF is still the most sought after development. You can just push launch an aircraft until fully tested. you know how many test pilots lost their lives already
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: next too that the cost of that right now, you can't tell the people too tighten the belt when you go around spending that money
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah I have no idea how to fix those decisions except to elect smarter ministers :p
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: why buy when you guys have the resources to RnD and development. Its not good to depend
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: because we have a retarded gouverment that serves at the wim of america
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: can you do a better job if your up there
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: with the amount of $ the US owes China, pretty sure China is at the whim of US sometimes too.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: ofc we can do a better job, but we have treaties and such with the americans say they'll do devolpement 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: because we don't wanna see the american economy fall
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: there are a lot of considerations, multiple levels of consequences to be thought of. NOT all are transparent to us.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: besides, we should buy the new migs, their like 3 mil a piece, better and cheaper to repair
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: dude, you do know russians make the migs
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: godbless soviet engineering
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: yes, and soviet war machines are crude, but effective
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Is it really that good these days?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: their also easy to repair and maintain
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: it is
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right, like the old ones won't destroy half of the world as it is. There is certainly a need for bigger and faster deliverers of death.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Because it's such a cliche too and I like challenging cliches sometimes :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: IF i built an aircraft, do you think I will sell to another country the full set of avionics? I will probably take out half of it and tell you this is the whole piece
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: when and IF there is war, I know what YOUR aircraft is not capable of and i can easily get my airforce to take you down
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: You really don't know how soviets deal in armaments xD they don't care at all, aslong as you have the money they will deliver
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I don't know, tbh, I guess nukes will come into place and airforce wont be as impt :p
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: The leaders of each country in a duel to the death :p
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: Anaristos, pencillene was descovered while they where trying out new ways to kill people with chemical warfare
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: and how many people has that saved by now ?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: its easy for those who whine, i mean complain against the governement. get your ass up, go study be a politician and do a better job.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: see macbeth, that doesn't work either, let me tell you a tale of about 6 years ago
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: when this socialist party became big
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: but the other parties just ignored that part
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: so all of that still mattered for nothing
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: they couldn't change a thing
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: they didnt work hard/smart enough then
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: "A new idea is ussually apose, simply because it's not common yet" 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: there are mnay ways to change things -- being a politican is only one
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: their only 2 true ways to change a country, trew revolution or war
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: or become a cartographer
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: those are the two ways to change it for the better... you can change a country for the worse through politics
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I am aware that warfare is a great source of discoveries. But that doesn't mean that at a time in history when the US is going broke, they should contemplate spending money on hardware they don't need. It isn't as if failure to purchase the hardware would doom the US armed forces to mediocrity.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: Errr well , by buying armaments the US is keeping themselves in bussiness actually, seeming their the leading producer of it. 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: problem is that the bushes are in control of it all and are making undertable deals 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: which prolly isn't for the best of the country
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if they stopped doing so and spending the money on other projects, like rebuilding the infrastructure. The jobless rate would be cut in half. Only the people employed by the military industrial complex would be out of work, nothing to cry about.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: look on the bright side, there's a chance that the whole middle-east/islam problem might start to fix itself, so long as the democratic uprisings don't bottle it
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: won't need such a huge military then
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: ahhh yes, but america is known for it's retardedness here in europe, with the statue of liberty saying "give us your weak , poor and wounded and we shall shelter them" but kicking out the most imigrants a year as a country
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the size of the military and the size we need are largely unrelated
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: as for middle east -- a lot could happen there, might be good, might not be
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: US immigration policy is a little wacked, imho
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: only a matter of time till Islam "invades" imo ^^
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: very strict where it doesn't need to be, and not strict where it should be
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: ohh yeh the evil moslims coming too convert or kill us --'
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: death to all haters of Allah etc etc, behead them all
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the US doesn't need a huge military as is. They don;'t need to be in Iraq or Afghanistan. In fact, since the civil war, all engagements by the US have been more or less fabricated and most of those wars could have been avoided. But then those who got rich during those conflicts would not have done so, at that might be the point.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: let me ask you 1 thing, how many times did you have a imam come to you too teach you the word of allah ? and how many times did you have to kick away a jehova witness from your door
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so www2, when we were attacked, we should have sat there and done nothing?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'm watching tunisia and egypt with interest
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: well, islam is already bigger than christianity in the Uk
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so is Jedi
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: at least JW's don't bomb places, that's all I can say
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: rather a knock on the door than a bomb on your bus, but that's just me.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: fortunately both are fairly small
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that is actually what most people hate about Islam in the UK, it's not that it's Islam, it's that it's a religion, and we don't make special rules for religion here
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: can you testify to who is actually doing the bombings?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: fundamentalists, which supposedly to not typify all members of the religion
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I can put a rag on my head an bomb a bus.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: personally think anyone found enforcing Sharia law in the Uk should be arrested for treason
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: it DOES however typify the teachings of the Qu'ran
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: ugh sharia law, and everything things saudie arbia when they say it
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: you only need to read the Qu'ran to see that this fundamentalist behaviour is in fact endorsed.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: what, to bomb buses is taught in the Koran? wow
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: imo
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: let me tell you 1 thing about sharia, first of all, it's not muslim
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: it's a old persian justice system
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: second, in arabia, thats no sharia
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: Not specifically bombing buses.....
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: real sharia means, you steal a bread with your right hand, your right hand goes off
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Persians are not Arabs.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Persians are Persians.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's not in the bible to fiddle with young boys' nuts, but that didn't stop it being endemic in Catholicism
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: they are very far from the original point.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: and third btw, the koran clearly says "their is no law but the law of allah and his words (referring to the koran)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well that's dodgy
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: so too a true muslim, sharia is against his religion
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Allah happens to be the same god the jews worship, so what's the argument?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: was about muslims wantning sharia in the UK 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: the argument is who is God's prophet, the christ of muslims is the christian anti-christ.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: can elements of shariah law be drawn from laws laid down in the bible?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: i'm sorry is it allah or God... which one of them seems to be having computer issues?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: Allah*
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: in fact, they all come from the same gene pool anyway, something no one bothers to notice or mention.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Can this topic be moved to debate?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: like I said, sharia has nothing to do with religion
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: Allah simply means "God", it is not a name.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you sure about that, gregor? he came 700 years later
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: sharia is the old persian justice system
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: Yes with different teachings Tigernuts
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: when muslims conquered the persian lands they took it over
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: can't really claim christianity is anti-muslim, it hadn't been invented at the time
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}QuinnZai Tech: this isnt exactly a religion channel btw
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's the nearest we have to a science channel
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: anyho nice talking to ya guys, but I gotta run
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Launch Tech: seeya
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: religion is not exatly a science ...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: christianity  is anti-muslin or have you forgotten the 3 crusades.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: christianity is anti-muslim teachings, that doesn't mean to say it was created for the purpose of dis-crediting Islam, since as you say, Islam came later.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's social science
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}QuinnZai Tech: yip, it isnt, so please stop chatting about it on the TECH channel
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: who made you jesus?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tigernuts THWAPS Quinn the Quickling for being a moron.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}QuinnZai Tech: and who made you jesus?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: though, admittedly, the crusades were launched for the same reason the US attacked Iraq, to make money.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: This topic needs to be moved to Debate or Gossip Channels.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: so is literature... not exactly science.. take it to debate or something... my nerdiness is wearing off
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: The soldiers of Allah will hunt you down
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: think you'll find it's mostly done already
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}QuinnZai Tech: this is a tech channel, ppl that hace tech problems use it, not religion issues or views
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: sorry, I just got here and this convo was already going
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: so, muslim technology.....
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}QuinnZai Tech: well we are just asking to move it elsewhere, not stop if you are interested in it
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that might be stretching the envelope a bit
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: we, tech-i-anists  feel very protective of our channel.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it was being underutilised
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah but he's kinda right, there's this nice website for example that lists just tech handy to search in.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: yeah, I can see. It's practically a religion.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you wouldn't want it shut down, would you?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: So I'm sorry too since I participated earlier :p
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ok, Linux is crap. Does that help?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: mushclient blah blah mobile phones blah blah blah
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gregor aims the crosshairs..Tigernuts collapses in a pool of blood.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: no, but if you start bashing windows 7, we might let you stay
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: that's not how you get a fight started... watch this... MAC SUCKS!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i can't dis windows 7 in case Bill Gates is watching
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Macs are the Devil!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: WinOS is the Devil!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: Satan is the Devil!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Santa is the Devil!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: os's are irrelevant, they're just 1s and 0s
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: ... I... I think I saw a two!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: 2
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: there are 10 types of people in the world.  Those that understand binary and those that don't
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: hahaahahaha lol
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: brought to you by the ministry of old jokes
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: Sadly underfunded these days, though not nearly as horrible as the way the Ministry of Silly Walks is treated
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: how odd it is that that previous argument all stemmed from talking about warranties and recycling
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: I think we should start dumping it all in the ocean.  
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: oh wait... nevermind
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: give it all to dagnir, he'll make a torrent server
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how does that disarm plugin work?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which particular one?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the weapon switcher plugin handles disarm-rearm
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: can it disarm mobs?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you wouldn't use a plugin to disarm mobs, you'd just use the disarm skill, but you shouldn't really even bother with that
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: okay
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: disarm plugin would generally mean something that would notice when you're disarmed, then get <weapon>, wear <weapon>
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the disarm plugin in v5 is busted, I have fixed it in v6
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: v6 released?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: v6 plugin and a v3 mud:P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: bast okay where can i get v6
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: well, since I haven't released it yet, you can't
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MUD is much more code to maintain than plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so easier to update, and less-core updates can be used to milestone releases
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: wait,what do you get from scripting plugins?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Estimated SLOC of the MUD proper?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nothing, enjoyment
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Huh?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Most people who script to it for fun.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I like to script, so i get fun
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I CAN HAZ Cheezburger nods at Bast and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I like to think my plugins have made it easier for people to use the mud, but that is probably my ego talking :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what you get the most of, though, is complaints :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: websites are free,wanna find out how to make one
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: websites are not free...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: do you wanna learn how, or do you just wanna fill in a template?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they certainly can be
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Write it in pure HTML :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: so you pay to make plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, you don't pay to make plugins
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: You're jumping topics too fast for me to keep up, Venom
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Think i'm getting wiplash
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: whiplash*
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: uhm plugins are on a web so it costs to add?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nope.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Most of us with websites use a free subdomain to host our scripts
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: i use googlecode, which is a free code hosting service from google
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pretty much everyone with Internet access has free web space through their ISP, and plenty of other free sites available, such as google code
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: google code is better than a standard web page for bast's use, since it can help him keep track of changes, etc
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Is there a simple way to make an external harddrive sync with your wireless router, or some other similar method, that i can access it from multiple computers throughout the house?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: NAS enclosure
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or keep it connected to a computer and shared from that computer
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, that's doable
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Put one of these old laptops to use.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a lot of the media player boxes are also NAS boxes...can get cheap empty ones...here's one for $80 http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HV335T
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: alot of routers now can share whatever is attached to their usb port...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: cmud: why does "You still have to kill \* (.+) \((.+)\)" have problems with ansi and "You still have to kill \* (.+)\)" doesn't?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: (both work without ansi)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: try #regex ^You\sstill\shave\sto\skill\s\(.+)\)\.$
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oops, ^You\sstill\shave\sto\skill\s\((.+)\)\.$
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: still works without ansi and doesn't work with it...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's zuggs product :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: zmud has weird regex implementation, for example
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this is easily understood by typing "rawcolors" then "cp check"...You still have to kill * the orc captain (A Peaceful Giant Village)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sorry, You still have to kill * @gthe orc captain @w(@cA Peaceful Giant Village@w)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note the @w(...that means that " \(" isn't a match
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because a space is not the last thing before the opening parenths
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: wow :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: good catch
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: by ansi, are you talking about a setting in cmud to ignore ansi, or turning on/off colors on Aard?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nah, there's an ansi trigger setting in cmud
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, ok...otherwise that would be a real pain
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that will capture ansi codes
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: well the ansi triggers setting was giving me problems, thanks for the heads upo abelinc, gonna play arround with that a bit :]
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Thanks to whoever needed help with the war echo to gt script the other day, I love it :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: So in my crontable something i wanted to run every hour on the hour, would i do * 1-23 * * * [command]?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Heh, apparently i forgot how to use grammer.. I meant, is that the proper syntax for an hourly execution?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: grammar :D
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: that too :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: forgot how to use and spell it, eh?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: It's been a long day :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: 0 * * * *
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You're asking about crontab?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: wouldn't that be every minute, griz?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: that would be 1 * * * *
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You could just put ourly
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Er.. @hourly
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: that too
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, i know i could do that, basically i'm trying to learn how to use crontab at all, because there are several different things i would like to automate, just don't know how :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: G is coorect. ourly = Run once an hour, "0 * * * *".
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Bot
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Grizzler P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Heh, kinda star :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: The first task i want to do is tar/gunzip my chat logs every night at midnight :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did you check out 'man 5 crontab'?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Are you using a Linux system?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Yeah, that man page will tell you everything you need to know.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, reading right now
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, good call metria, was exactly what i needed :) Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Huh, there are still people out there who will take rtfm nicely? :D
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Usually my response to 'rtfm' is either 'wtfm' or 'wtfmc'
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It is a lot nicer to give a page reference.  It can be useless without it.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Grizzler.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: But I have seen enough manuals that are useless...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, rtfm only goes so far when it's a big manual :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It's especially tricky since there's a crontab command, and then the file format reference.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: So, without the section.. You'll never see it.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: There are tons of pages.  You have to get used to looking for references at the bottom and such.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Well worth it if you are going to get in to the system and progamming it.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: are there any sound packs for aardwolf? i'm hoping to set up some sounds so taht if a aggressive mob attacks me I know I've been attacked, because  soemtimes my screenreader takes a while to catch up
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: sorry, typos
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Record your own, that could be fun :D
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I haven't heard of sound packs.  But, if you could use the gcmp char.status "state
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You could trigger something locally when you enter 8 (combat)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: Make the sound short though, because you'd be hearing it a lot 
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: could go without the whole setup, but i like watching movies when i mud.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: was just searching n google and no luck so far
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Watching pr0n does NOT count as "campaigning"
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: sure it does
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Dragonsword, you might want to consider some music appropiate for combat mode.  Writing a trigger to watch state changes so you don't get beeped all the time would be complex.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The combat music from star trek!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Duncan, Alastair Tech: having bit of a strange issue with Bast's spellup plugin for mush. Anyone familiar?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: whats the issue ?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: so there are soundpacks? where can I get them? i'm using mush, so was hoping there were triggers also, i'm still lousy at writing them :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Duncan, Alastair Tech: seems that either when the client goes afk or I run out of mana, it stalls out. Refresh won't have it cast the spells pending either.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: you have that issue too? I thought it was just me
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I don't think anyone has released a sound pack, per se.  You should put one together that suits yourself. Once you've got the sounds, I'm sure you can get trigger help.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: well, I've kind of been stealing some of teh sounds from alter aeon's pack, but some of the music there is a little... mmm, strange
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Duncan, Alastair Tech: When I come back or get more mana it'll cast spells as they drop again, but the spells that dropped while afk or after the mana ran out just remain pending.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Dragonsword, nothing made.  I catch the events via GMCP.  That way I turned my in game prompt off.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: I know,  tehy  just sit there, and you're going wtf? haha
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: if this game only supported mxp I could probably right an hp trigger with no problem, typing attr while in combat can get me killed :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: well actually it des, but it says not to use it in public areas
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: omg, there's an actual aardwolf animal? wow, I didn't know that, sounds like a cross between the aardvark and the wolf. haha
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: looks like an alaskan husky renamed to an aardwolf
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It doesn't look like mush itself is in to gmcp yet.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: What do you mean?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Well, MUSHclient.  The only thing I could find searching there site was plugin for some timer thing with GMCP even though it is event driven.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Anyone know where to download the gmcp group monitor for mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: I found it on there site, but so far no luck with sound packs. some of those plugins didn't sund very vi friendly.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Ah, of course...  They should post it on the client home page.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: found soeting? I'm using nvda, so don't know if that makes any difference.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: How does a screenreader deal with multiple windows?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: it doesn't easily. mush has a noptepad where I can view the output, but if somene happens to say or do anything while i"m trying to rea it i get dumped at the bottom
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: oops, typo
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Have you ever used a client without all the windows where everything is centered around the game being in one scrolling log?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: nope. is tehre such a client?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sure, tinyfugue :D
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: all clients, technically
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: huh?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: tinyfugue? what's that
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the only way stuff gets split into multiple windows is if you install scripts to do so
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: tintin, wintin++
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: very easy to work with.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: ah, tin plus plus. I heard taht's accessible,
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: it is commandline though. not that that's a huge issue.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: even mushclient, dragonsword
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just delete the plugins that are making the sub-windows
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: a fresh mushclient install will only have one window
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: ah. ok
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: the notepad can be useful sometimes if I can't spell something, but otherwise it can be easy to lose your place haha
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: I heard about zmud, gmud and vip mud but they all cost money. seems a little backwards to pay for a program to pley free games
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Dragonsword: You can download MUSHclient with Aardwolf Plugins for free.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'd skip zmud and cmud. I can't think of anything they can do that mushclient can't.  (I'm sure a fanboy will correct me at this point)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the mapper :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What's the cmud mapper do that the mushclient one doesn't?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: yup, I have it. I already downloaded it. I just need to copy mush reader wich enables the screen reader to read teh stuff, and I"m good
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: custom exits and portals, for a start
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: See? Fanboy. :D
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: what does this aardwolf mushclient do? sounds interesting
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hang on, hang on, that's just a start :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Custom Exit exist now.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the maps draw much nicer
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: iirc there was something about one-way links to the room you're in not showing on the map
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: well i'm playing around with cmud trial, it's not what it can do, but how easy it is to do stuff with it..
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: I have the progra, but haven't managed to find any docs on what it does taht normal mush doesn't
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i've always found it much easier to do stuff in cmud than mush, pittazz
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You can update it by adding the exit personally.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I was trying to understand how you work with a screenreader.  I have never worked with them.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: maybe it's just me, but i could never find stuff in mush
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: myrkul, thats what i said
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and the whole plugins vs. stand-alone aliases/triggers/etc. is really confusing
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Grab someone nearby, and have them read the screen to you. EVERY CHARACTER OF IT. Close your eyes.  Good luck.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: well,  basically all my screen reader does for m mush is read what the mud outputs to it. if there are a lot of ascii cahrs or maps it doesn't like it.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: so should I switch to another client? confused
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Use what works best for you, Dragonsword
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: well, mush seems to work, but I can't figure out how to write triggers taht work, aard doesn't support mxp so i can't write them using mxp vars
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'm getting it now.  Sounds like you need to make sure you configure things in the game.  Get rid of colors, disable maps, etc.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: yeah, first thing I do is turn off color support and automapper
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You may want to look into something called 'vipmud', which I'm told by a friend was made with screen reading in mind.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: but the  imm chambers play hell with my screen reader. if they multiplayer test me tehre chambers ahve a bunch of ascii crap, locks ym screen reader up
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dragonsword, if you're familiar with mxp vars, gmcp variables will be similar
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: I'm very much a novice on mxp triggers.  that's why a client with a much easier trigger/alias system would be nice, i can't write in xml, lua, python or vbscript
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard has a fair number of vi players...I know of people using each of tinyfugue, zmud and mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: confused, why call it tinyfugue?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Why call it zmud? That's just its name.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: haha, god point
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's the name of the client
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: don't mind me, lacking fresh coffee
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's a mud codebase called tinymud
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: What reader do you use?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: 'cause bigfugue would just be misleading and confusing.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: so I've heard of both zmud and gmud, what's  the difference?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gmud doesn't support very much, I wouldn't recommend it
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: they're just two completely different programs
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: ah. ok nix that one then
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: isn't zmud payware, don't yu have to pay for it?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gmud did have good support for jaws like 8 years ago, but the others have caught up now
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, zmud is payware
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: then again, so is vip mud
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You're thinking of zmud and cmud.  zmud came first, then the author started over and rewrote it (making everyone pay again!) and called the result cmud.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: ad taht one doesn't support nvda. I don't get it
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, I had glanced at the screen earlier when you mentioned nvda, but wasn't paying attention...thought you just typoed nvidia video card
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Is nvda the reader?  I've heard of jaws, but not nvda.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: one thing about mush that confuses me is if I"m just trying out a game to see if I like it, i have to create a separate world file for it, add my screen reader plugim and then set up the char adn all that. do otehr clients use world  fiels too?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, it's an oss reader
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: sorry for all the typos.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Just realized that on the wiki page.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, that's a pretty normal way to handle things
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: ah. ok. just wondering.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because different worlds can be, well, worlds apart, so plugin/script setups can be totally unrelated
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: on aardwlf.com they recommend either zmud or mush.  and also jmc but that's java and nt likely t work with nvda. plus it won't run under x64 for some reason.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, jmc's probably a pretty old recommendation, don't know that we have anyone left using it
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: I didn't think ti still existed anymore
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for payware, I'd recommend zmud or cmud...for freeware, good options are mushclient, mudlet, tinyfugue and tintin++. I don't know of any vi users of mudlet or tintin++, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: tin tin plus plus will work with nvda, but no gui interface means I have to do everything manually. not that I'm complaining, but it will be harder to configure stuff that way. or is it? can someone who uses it enlighten me a little?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I know of some for tt++
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I would think that the linear nature of a non-gui client would be more intuitive, but different people prefer different methods
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: with a command-line client, you don't need to memorize keystrokes or worry about tabbing over to the right fields or buttons
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but I'm biased in that tinyfugue is my preferred client
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: is tinyfugue a commandline client?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yep.  High learning curve, though.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all config is done via text files
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Even simple scripting isn't simple in tf.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: well taht sounds simple
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: ugh, and I thought mush was hard to script in
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: mush is easy to script in, the helpfile just blows.  Lua is not bad at all.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: does zmud work with screen readers? never tried it
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yes
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: I know tin tin plus plus does, because it uses the puTTY terminal, but not srue what zmud does
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: guys is there any webpage were I can test aard color text?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can just use echo to test
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: yes...but what if you have a whole page?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: echo as in the MUD command, not a function of your client
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Test Aard color text?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: iwuvaard.org has one.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Or send yourself a note on Personal
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: write a note to yourself
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or use description
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, with newish vi players coming to my attention today, I'm curious to know how well the miniwindow version of channel captures works with the jaws plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If I had to guess, i'd say not well at all :/
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: they have all kinds of stuff on tehre site saying how great jfw is. sure it's great if it's the only program you know of haha
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: oops, sorry, mischan
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, jaws has been the industry leader for the last decade or two
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think freedom scientific has pretty much been sitting on their laurels for too long though, and now there's a number of alternatives coming around
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: hell yeah. I agree
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: never di dlike fs's morals. you have money? no? sorry, no time for ya! next?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, they're pretty much relying on the fact that quite a few vi people have some government programs to buy the software
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Cash in on the grants.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I work at a public library, we won't be renewing our FS contracts this year. we'll actually be phasing out the ADA computers because of lack of use for their intended purpose
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You mean Farmville doesn't count?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: are you guys going to use nvda on your computers? I don't know how many people would be able to use it but it's free and does most of the stuff jfw does.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: and I'm not advertising it either, just speaking from experience lol
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in the 5 years I've been there, they've been requested as ADA probably twice, out of 7 locations
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: most of the time people just see the scanner plugged in (for openbook) and want to use that
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: well you guys at least have computers for blind people, my library couldn't care less and won't let you install screen readers onto them, afraid tehy contain a virus. they want there tech guy to do it an he's of course never around
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I was impressed when I was in seattle for a conference...the seattle library has a pretty amazing vi room with the braille pads & everything
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: wow. braill displays at a library? cool!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: now if they only have blind friendly coffee makers?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, they had a whole room for the vi, and it actually gets use. maybe that's because they're in the city and I work in the burbs though
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: wow. braille displays  in the library. now if they'd just replace jfw with something less expensive
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, dunno about the coffee makers, but I guess things like the k-cups would be good :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What's a k-cup?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you say a chick with enormous knockers, I'm gonna poke you.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: kcup? those aren't knockers those are back surgery
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the keurig single-serving coffe thingies
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: That's the v-cup...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Knockers in that they're knockin' against her knees..
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: v cup,  biggest breasts I've ever seen haha. joke
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: K=11 minus D=4 is 7, a k-cup is a DDDDDDD-cup for a morbidly-obese and likely already-dead slab-of-lard
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Hey, you know how the song goes.. the looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: the bigger the boobs the lower the iq and more horrid-looking the face
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: how'd we get on this topic again? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I blame Abelinc.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, it all started when you mentioned vi-friendly coffee ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: ah. then it's my fault :) what I meant though was taht most coffee makers have this clock thingy and i can't see to set the tiem. there is a voice activated one on maxiaids but it's like seventy bucks and I suspect it's only that expensive because it's blind tech, if you get  me
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nodnod
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: if I"m paying seventy bucks for a coffee maker it better be a thermal pot and permanent gold tone cone filter. or i'm not buying it :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: there are coffee-makers that brew according to read barcodes these days -- for those that like to pay for overpriced barcoded coffee packets
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: another option is buying a decent UPS supply to plug your coffee pot into and having a non blind friend set the time and start up times twice a year.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: overpriced coffee packets/ hell no, I grind my own beans. not paying for name brand coffee unless i run out and get desperate
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: l
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oops
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: go full bore and roast your own!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: I've thought about that, but on an SSI income not sure I coudl afford the roaster haha
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: those old-fashioned roasters preserved more flavour than the modern conveyor-belt roasters
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: my one problem with thermal coffee pots is this. after about a month or so, teh rubber gasket seals on the pot and on teh cffee makers start to smell like the cffee I made last week.  and the taste comes out in my coffee. is that just me or does anyone else experience that?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: not a big coffee drinker here but why not buy those special purpose mini brewers, I seem to remember black and decker making  either a single or a double cup coffee brewer... or just go with a french press and brew on demand with it?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: French press can make some nice coffee
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: what is a thermal coffee pot and does the water and or coffee come into contact with aluminum in the heating brewing process
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: I believe it is a fancy insulated pot with a press plunger to dispense.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Usually its just a replacement pot for another brewer that keeps it warmer longer
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Get a Nespresso machine.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: a thermal coffee pot is just a cffee maker with a metal   pot instead of glass. it turns off after teh cffee is done so that it doesn't burn the coffee by keeping it on a metal heat plate all day
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: i am able to taste the leached aluminium metal in soda-pop cans -- any coffee maker (or popcorn maker) must be free of aluminum contact to the food to be any good
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: the coffee pots are steal, not aluminum
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: yes, I can taste the can in my soda. That's why I like bottles.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: what about the piping that carries and heats the water in those automated mini-coffee-makers
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Escondido Tech: how do I get the mud to send me {chan= information?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: tags channels on
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tags channels on
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: the piping int eh thermal nes, or the ones i"ve owned is  plastic or tough glass
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Escondido Tech: thank you
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: where do you find glass bottles? plastic has impurities in it that affect taste as well.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I don't notice (or I guess I like) the taste of plastic bottled soda.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tags in general much be on as well, tags on...type tags to see individually-settable options
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: sometimes impure taste is better than no taste at all :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: I see you know my exwife.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's the philosophy behind spring water
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: i am also able to taste the plastic in plastic bottles of soda-pop - distinct buttery flavor in small amounts - horrid plastic odor in more aged amounts
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Ever tasted distilled water?  Sometimes a little flavor is a good thing.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Some of the nice RO filters will add a small % of minerals back for taste
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: until it gives you cancer!
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: distilled water is able to be extremely painful to sick animals
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: This game is prolly cancerous lol
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: distilled water is a horrid thing agreed. spring water tastes good but usually due to chemicals you should not ingest in large amounts.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: and Redryn is for sure !
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think hear they mostly fool us with bottled water, last year they investigated the claims of bottled water being more healthy, the conclusion was on average faucet water was more healthy. And the source of the bottled water was usually just faucet water too.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Filtered, but from a "municipal source"
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: there is more data evidence that ingesting leached chemicals from plastics may be detrimental to health and the environment
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: then why do coffee makers use plastic a loot?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: "May be"
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You can find a study to say ANYTHING is bad for you
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: heh, I agree there
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I don't know enough to really summarize what they said well, but it was rather convincing. I suppose it would highly depend on where you live. Here in the netherlands it seems silly to trust any of the claims we see on commercials about bottled water.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ok. please find me a study that says FOOD is bad for you.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: tbh living is rather bad for your health...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: leads to obesity.  Too much sodium.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: is  t the  usual, tap water is horrible, buy just buy this amazing super cheap water filter and everything will be ok?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: there is data evidence that ingesting leached chemicals from plastics may a contributing factor to the obesity epidemic in the USA
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i said find a study :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: google sugar causes cancer in rats :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm a birdbrain, not a search engine
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shortbus Stutz Tech: living has a 100% mortality rate...and is thus 'bad for you'.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: pure sugar or sugar contaminated with trace chemicals from the refining process
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Btw, they investigated the claims of bottled water being better than faucet water, not that it was bad for you. In this case investigating was just data gathering, by a tv program here, with lots of experience in these matters.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: I'm beginning to think water causes cancer in rats... everything else seems to.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Life is the most widespread sexually transmitted disease, and it is 100% fatal in everyone who has it.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: glad I have no life then :(
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: So my claims are limited to the netherlands, the bottles bought in stores, and only relative to faucet water.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: I suppose pregnancy is bad for you? everything else seems to be
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: so Metria... are you offering to kill people slowly?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Nope
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: le sigh
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Pregnancy is pretty bad for you actually.  After my wife gave birth they had to remove her galbladder and now she's got kidney stones.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: get pregnant enough times and you run a high risk of it killing you, so i'd say yes to that, dragonsword
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Her doctor was like "Oh by the way, this is probably because your pregnancy screwed up your hormones.  Guess we should have mentioned that before you got pregnant. Thanks doc.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: the Saberhagen "Berserker" sci-fi book series was amusing  "good life is that which assists in the termination of bad life"  "bad life is anything that wants to survive and live"
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: we'll have to rename this chan to "sulking and depression" soon...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: In my example the information was merely suggesting don't waste your money on bottled water if you live in similar circumstances.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i don't know how much you know of history/family tree but pregnancy was quite a common cause of death in women who had over 5+ children a couple of hundread years ago
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: 5+ kids? I think they committed suicide.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Btw everyone let's type gossip in front of the next sentence :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: nope... remember that some of the kids died in infancy too
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: gossip why?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: actually I think that was due to the lack of birth control as well, you didn't see spaceing of kids out to allow the woman to recover from the previous parasite
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: They had a lot of kids so they would have some left over with so many kids dying.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: some females died after one child -- the doctors were disease-spreaders
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Before the powers that be ask us to move our conversation to an appropriate channel :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: agree grizzler
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: and also lack of contraception back then hehe
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dragonsword Tech: oops, sorry, are ims monitoring this/ I wouldn't have said that if I'd known that. sorry
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: but yes more babies to keep the family line going was more important back then
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol, we're gonna get channel kicked unless some makes this technical.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Workers on farms...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: that may be the cae, zarquil, but it still proves that pregnancy is bad for you, which was the point :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: So, what ever happened to Liquid ball grid array memory?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Got pregnant and died in labor.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: might as well ask what happened to holographic storage.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I don't know, but I've got my prompt down to a one line showme alias with gmcp so far.  Nothing fancy yet.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: quantum computers are already present in organic lifeforms
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: so when are we having cool computer related to prengancy stuff? like... i want to see test tube pregnancies one day... lol
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: then it's not bad for female :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I have the default prompt (with a carriage return added) but I find I don't really look at it so much as use it as a spacer between rounds
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: an intelligent human mind is likely a quantum computer
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You mean.. a myth?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Mine stays on the line above where I type with no scrolling game prompt.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Denser data
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah, humans are pretty dense..
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: memories are stored as quantum data
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: How do you figure?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I thought they were stored as chemical data
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I need more coffee.  Not sure if I want to tackle invmon tonight or not.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Trying to recall how it's supposed to work, but memories are neural networks , and they know some previous layer that they thought wasn't important is actually very important for regulation
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: They are.  A quantum computer (which exploits the exponential number of possible states of a bunch of electrons) has no relation to how the human brains does ... anything.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: tbh noone is exactly sure how memories are stored, it's all educated guessing :]
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: That is if your also still thinking human minds = 100% neural networks it's nice to read up, they've made a little progress and it isn't entirely accurate anymore.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I used to know how memories are stored, I just forget the details.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: an intelligent human with eidectic-memory stores and recalls huge amounts of visual data effortlessly -- that suggest a quantum-data-storage
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It is 100% impossible for the brain function to be involved with the quantum world.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: *not*
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: that suggests that performance is more or less equivalent to quantum storage, nothing more :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: my camer stores and recalls huge amounts of visual data effortlessly too
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: not impossible
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: camera*
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: not to be invloved with
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Every atom in your brain is involved in the quantum world.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: a physical camera stores a miniscule amount on information compared to a human mind
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Well yes.  But that doesn't make your brains a quantum computer, which has a very specific technical meaning, any more than it makes your toaster a quantum computer.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Your brain*
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Not quite sure I keep sliding that s in there.  My quantum computer must be acting up.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think we may be confusing neural networks, and how it is so useful to store patterns, reuse networks for more than one problem etc at the cost of some error introduction with quantum computers based on quantum entanglement and other quantum stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: there are also wormholes at subatomical level in your brain, that does not make your brain into a hyperdrive :]
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Not in the sense of our construction of a quantum computer...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It seems to me you could have a quantum computer emulating neural networks for example,but not a neural network being a quantum computer
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: I know a lot of people here with holes in their brain or holes they seem to have shoved them up.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: That must explain all of our falacies.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah those creepy people with holes in their head does demonstrate the power of neural networks
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: since multiple networks can help see the patterns in one problem, losing alot of the network it still has some data to start restoring function with.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But to be honest, the matter is a bit too complex for me :(
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: Jhav, perhaps your "definition" of 'quantum computer' is defective cramped and inadequate due to obsessive pendantry to archaic obsolescence
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Is there any substance to what I've heard that there seems to be faster than electrical communication in the body and brain?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Zela: a quantum computer is fairly well defined. Your brain is not one.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Light in a vacuum, Grizzler? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: quantum computers use qubits.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: an electric current over a copper wire is faster than communication between body and brain.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Which are still binary.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Your brain is analog.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Your mom uses qubits.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Electrons are pretty slow - it's the wave...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Wasn't their some new information on quantum entanglement too, placing some more restrictions on how that works, I think the conclusion was entangling alot of data was going to be really impractical.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: should a quantum computer ever pan out it will effectively solve everything at once.as the theory is once you have one every other invented will synch with it.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Current is treated the same whether it's a single electron moving very quickly or a bunch of them moving slowly.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Zarquil: No, not really.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Neural signals and electricity over a wire are the same speed...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Ramuth: Nope.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: bio 101
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Its still just atoms passing a loose electron backwards over the line
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's a lot more complicated than that
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: No, Neurons don't work like electrical wires.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: Norinon, that "well defined" crack is reminiscent of the defectiveness of a "theist" stating a "well defined" definition of 'atheism'
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It's not the same electron that you just put in that you use on the other end.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Zela: No, it's the validity of a PHYSICIST who has STUDIED THE FIELD IN QUESTION speaking as to the results of his studies.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: It never is...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: You can call anything you want a quantum computer. You can call anything you want an orange.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: However, you will find that that just means you are poor at communication.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: your orange.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: And it's not just the neural network that's important right? I can't remember gluons? was that another part of thinking?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Energy in the brain and in a wire is produced when an odd electron on an atom breaks off to attach to a previous atom...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Gluons are important to thinking in the same way that not having your atoms fly apart is important to thinking.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Gluons bind atomic nuclei together
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: They're not involved in thinking
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ramu, have you ever studied biology?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Just ignore all the chemical interaction...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and how nerves work?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Ramuth: a neuron is far more complicated than a mere electrical wire.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Just because something has electricity in it doesn't mean that's how it works.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Where does the energy of the brain come from?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you have you should file a suit in negligence against your teacher
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Mostly chemical.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ATP
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: ie on the skeptic's guide to the universe they seemed to be saying that knowing how the gluons help regulate was needed to make a better model on a computer. I interperted that as it being needed not just for health reasons
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Redryn.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: pizza, mostly
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: All chemical :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I mean that the gluons themselves provide 'function' too.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: And how does a chemical reation produce energy?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Aduin: Probably not gluons, then.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Either thermal or elerctical
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But I don't know maybe I misinterperted that.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: cept spelled properly
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: The gluons are subatomic particles.  They're not involved in chemical interactions at all.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Wouldn't it be cool if people could just plug a nine volt in their head and get high?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Grizzler: If you know WHERE to do it, you can.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arch-Mage Raistlin is agreeing with that Grizzler person again...
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: We still don't know where.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: ramu if our brain could not produce electricity we would have to plug our fingers into electrical socket once in a while
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ever watch Surrogate?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i thought they figured it out?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: wirehead, eh?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon grins evilly at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Get your drouds here.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Right, I'm asking where that energy is coming from?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: From chemical reactions.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Grizzler is on his way to Morinon's house for a bit.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: movement of charged molecules
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah I'm skeptical now, because they were saying that the previous understanding among scientist was what you said, but now they found out that gluons played a more important role. But I might be misinterperting how important they meant.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's coming from the reaction of glucose with oxygen
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: cl- and na+ i think, but i can't really remember
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I was pointing out that the brains chemicals produce chemical and electrical energy by the binding and breaking of atoms
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: The brain does not produce energy by splitting atoms :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oh and K+
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's not a nuclear reactor :P
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Aduin: probably a different word that sounds like 'gluon'.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Not spliting, passing loose electrons, Lol
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Not even that, Ramuth.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'm going to relisten the episode tomorrow on the train :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: It's by differing chemical bond potentials.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Btw the skeptic's guide to the universe is fun, it's where I get all my tidbits so I can pretend I know this stuff :p
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_potential
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: breaking/binding of atoms... should i be worried about nuclear fission/fusion in my brain?
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you should read that ramu
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: In brain surgery, they keep some one awake to stimulate things and see what the patient might lose (or they used to).
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: another analogy is the traflamadorian view is that that human physicist is looking at 'quantum computers' though a very long straw
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Terrorist alert:  Your brain is an atomic bomb.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Pittazz: Unless you have a habit of ingesting U-235, no.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: It's not the atoms themselves, it's chemical reactions, not nuclear.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: you never know what the ingredients in your food are these days....
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon snickers with Pittazz about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It's a weekly podcosts, they like to talk about popular science in the news. Subjects like anti-vaccin, simon sing vs the chiropractic association because he wrote it was bunk :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: it says Action-potential chemicals react to changes in electrical current in a channel
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I like the science/fiction part, where they pick some articles and ask you to spot the fake :)
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Ramuth, that does not mean it works the same as a copper wire.
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Tech Its hard to link Biological and mineral together, but not impossible, else implants would not be possible
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: that means at some point there is a common factor between biological and mineral energy communication, correct?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: just because neurons can emit electricity in the similar way, does not mean that signals within them is anything similar
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: So you believe that the human brain will never be able to controll anything that isin't biological?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: a scientist was interviewed on the Colbert Report -- he indicated that esp in some humans is an extra 3% sexual in nature
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Chemically sexual?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Hah. I know what he was talking about. I read that study.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: is a consistent 53% bias in a 50% situation statistically relevant
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: there was a prior study, where some humans in were able to anticipate the appearance of an erotic pictures a few seconds before a computer randomly picked a picture to display
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm anticipating porn, too.  That usually is followed by me viewing it.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Well they should contact James Randi and collect 1 million :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: That would be proof there, easy million, completely transparent, we can look at all aspects of the experiment setup double blinded. If they truly can do that, he will fork over a million
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: seems that esp may be sexual in nature, but 53% is yet too low to be a slamdunk
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Well.. er.. Isn't there a 50/50 chance the next picture is porn?  That means 53% is not significant at all.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Just means that they had some horny test subjects.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It doesn't seem signifcant to me at all. And it sounds like the study wasn't double blinded.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: maybe some humans are "gifted" and may perhaps consistently anticipate erotic pictures (picked randomly by computer) at a far higher percentage, (say 75% or higher) -- if those humans exist and are used in the study ...
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: link?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: or name of study?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: conjectured, no link
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: You could just as well say maybe those humans don't exist, based on further evidence I see no point in speculating.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: looking for the original study, not your speculations
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: but google finally found something, so nm
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: computes are not random, and brain can pick patterns even when we don't realize it.. maybe the variation was not that big?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: use a radioactive source affecting a geiger counter as input to a computer randomiser to provide random numbers 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: if you run a study enough times, you'll get anomalous results -- if you look at enough individual variables, chances are that one of them will seem anomalous
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But the james randi foundation offers 1 million dollars if an individual can show anything science considers 'supernatural', any extradinary claim is welcome. All documentation is transparant. The people who apply get to design the experiment, as long as it's done scientifcly.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: if a human is able to pick patterns from the random decay of radioactivity, that is astute
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: I'd want to see far more data replicated by other researchers before believing it.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: the only problem with that that science considers less and less stuff supernatural as time passes >_>
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'd like to see step 1) completed, if anyone collects that reward, it'd be awesome, it would mean we'd have discovered something new. So far noone has collected, many many people have tried though.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: applying is free of charge, they might even sponsor you if you can't afford to setup an experiment.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: psychic phenomena prefers to avoid being detected repetitively -- this is likely a standard property of esp phenomena 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Then you might as well say something quantum involving it not being detectable because of schrodingers cat.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: is schrodingers cat a cheat experiment
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: all schrodingers cat proves is that we refuse to admit that we don't know something...
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir bonks Pittazz on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: similar to mental-retard asking if god is able to move an immovable object -- a smart human being knows that a wise god is unlikely to attempt something that contradictory
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: science requires that
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: how about moving to gossip or debate?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Schrodinger's cat is a thought experiment about quantum mechanics. One partical view on how quantum mechanics work, the way it works on the quantum level is superimposed over the real world.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Mostly illustrated by the cat in the box who might be alive or dead based on some random event. But you don't know till you look.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: anyway read it on wiki I can't explain in a few sentences.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: but was schrodinger afflicted by mental-retardation when attempting to invite god to participate in the cat experiment
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: You've completely lost me there :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You guys are very entertaining while I'm working on this stuff :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: i am of the opinion that there are no paradoxes, merely a lack of intelligent comprehension and wise language skills
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: could this possibly be made to work: #forall %pos(";",%3)>0{ #echo count } (zmud scripts)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: wherein it will loop and echo count for each '
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: that's might be the reason why randi have put up this prize, once we are able to recreate the "magic" it stops being "magic"
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Le do, lo  Shakia Tech: without me manually having to ascend the string and count each one myself contingiously
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It is, Randi is a nice guy I think, and the institute tries to not treat people like scam artists etc. I heard him say in an interview sometimes people go away crying (because their power didnt work)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: He thinks most who come there truly believe their claims, and it's purpose is to educate and teach not to dismiss anything.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: As entertaining as this all is, debate would be a better channel for it.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Someone might have an actual tech question.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: alright, yeah someone just asked one, time to stop or move on.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: time for me to go to sleep anyway, almost 6am here xD
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: g'night :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Majic, I think that together, just based on our pretitles and names, we could make an awesome debating team. You would be the one with the skill to dispel illutions, while I would be the one who goes after them when they're bleeding.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Has anyone compile much on the typtags and resulting data yet?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: and my typos
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Like the help file says?  Or, I'll just create a new wheel I guess.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Garenzo Tech: using MUSHclient. i want NEWBIE chat to go to my chats window. currently only gossip is in chats window
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Coffy Tech: is there a mud to play aardwolf on a phone without useing mxit 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i think you mean client, aardwolf is the mud
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: There was a pretty good discussion going in the notes.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Garenzo Tech: no help for my issue?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'm not good enough yet in mush to tell you how to do that, but the aardclient comes with a window that captures all channels in a miniwindow.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: perhaps you could steal the code :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Garenzo Tech: oh. yeah i have the chat window up but only gossip is there. i don't see TECH in it
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it really depends on your plugin and how it's coded
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: So you have the aardclient?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Garenzo Tech: nah, mush. i probably should get the aard
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: If I was going to use mush, I'd definitely get aard version.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah do that, I'm learning alot from it, just a bit confusing that half the plugins is old regular triggers and the other half gmcp, sometimes using the broadcast modules sometimes not.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: The mapper has been improved again recently too.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Not everything is available in gmcp.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Garenzo Tech: alright thanks, i'll check it out. later :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i use aard mush, it's good
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: What is gmcp is awesome.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah I like the broadcast modules, makes sense, collect all data make it available, and all other plugins use that.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Well, if you really get in to managing your stuff, you can actually reduce load on the game server.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah if you need to gather data it's much easier to avoid redundancy.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Well, for instance in my aard bag I need to sort through a decide what to do with things.  Eventually, I'll be able to do that locally and the just execute the final commands.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: That would probably save hundreds of queries to the server in a short period of time.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I see what you mean, like 2 minimindows, drag and drop alot, creating a sequence of commands, some algoryth to remove unneeded commands
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: or things like caching help files i suppose.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I can't remember everything I ident for instance...
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: So I do it again and again.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah even better than cache help, cache idents :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I do that alot too, what was it again and then ident the same item for 10th time :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Also much needed if you were to hover a mouse over items and popup the stats, wouldnt want to request 20 items just because i moved my mouse :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I could just ident things one time when I get it and be done...which I will.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'd go on, but that's rambling 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Grizzler )
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah lots of cool stuff that might be implemented in the next releases of aardclient :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: That is btw the most awesome part of all this, the bar is being lowered where ppl pick this over zmud/cmud, introducing mush to many more :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Well, I am using a different client myself.  It's still awesome though.  It makes dealing with things much more reliable.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: And it's easier for non-coding people, they want some much needed goodies too :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol, I can't stop hitting ls to look every so often...
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: -3
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leonassan Tech: my google-fu is failing me. I'm working on a website where I want it to display different options depending on what the user has selected from a dropdown. Anyone have any suggestions?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: any javascript buffs out there>
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Javascript 'buff'?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: think he means a javascript auto buff script
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: someone who is well versed in it, then
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: buff is shorter
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Ah, I see.. Thanks for clarifying :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar knows some JavaScript, for what it's worth
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what i actually wanted to know that, given that if you had a function that started by making an invis div visible, did some other stuff, then made the div invisible again, no matter how long the function takes, the changes in visibility to the div never get processed because browsers don't appear to redraw while in a function - is there a way of forcing a browser to call it's redraw?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: invis divs, don't do that with java
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: use css
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Indeed, css is the answer..
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it is css
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can't *change* visibility with css :P
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: all the javascript would do is swap the classes, or set the css property
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: ohhh ?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: so display:none: 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: css is a one-time thing, when the page loads :P
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: isn't make stuff dissapear ?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: nogs, launch
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: and thats valid css command
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i don't think they understand the question
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: You want something to disappear and reappear after a given time/call?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: the body of the function can take up to a few seconds, the idea is that a busy-div appears before it starts, and is hidden when it completes
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Then you need to force an event on a hidden control on the page, I think..
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: http://forums.devshed.com/javascript-development-115/javascript-to-set-visible-hidden-in-ie-32061.html
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: hmmm well, make a timer in java i'd say, and have it switch between 2 css classes on a given timer
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: and use display in css to hide / unhide it
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: but that can't happen because of the way redraw is being held back until the function is done
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: using a timer doesn't work
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: well you can have java check if the function is loaded
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: if it's not, it calls class 1, else class 2
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: javascript has a set interval kind of function, no?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it does, but it won't work for this purpose
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: the javascript that would set the interval is part of the instruction chain that will block redraw
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: hmmm well, I think you interwebbed it too much thats why it's not working from what your telling
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: make sure the load check is completly out of any loop
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Ok, so something like: page loads with visible 'loading' div, function executes (page loads), after function then switch visibility of the div? Or am I missing something..
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's not on page load, it's driven by a click even on the page
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: thats abit more complicated then needed
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: basicly just call up the function, have a check for that when it's loaded it switches a value of $ too something else which in terms leads too loading a different class (the invis or visible one)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Ok, so use onClick="" on the control and call the switching vis-function, no?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: polling a loaded flag might work, but seems like a sledgehammer technique
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: onclick="<function name>"
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: like I said, you don't wanna class anything in java itself, what I would do basicly for that div is something like this > 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's what's causing the problem in the first place, scandalar
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: <div class="<? $vis"> 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: and just us the $vis too add a name for a class
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: one for invis and one for vis
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: and just have that value exchanged
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: won't work
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: So the event isn't launched when clicking?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: strange, thats the basic way to do it
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: sure it is
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar is totally confused now..
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: re-read the original question, if you have a function that 1. sets the appropriate class or style value to make it vis, 2. does other stuff that takes a finite time, then 3. sets the appropriate class or style value to make it invis.... then 2. will happen, 1 and 3 will not
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: because the browser will not repaint the elements until the function completes
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: like could try something like > if load = false (iow not loaded) class = "visible" else class = "invis" 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: trew a check statement instead of changing a vlaue
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that by itself wouldn't work, would need to set up a repeating interval poll to test load for true before setting the div invis
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and set up the main body to be called from an interval too, else it won't set the div vis until after 2. has completed, which defeats the object
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: just a shame there is no window.redraw() method you can call
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: well you could do the interval thing, and just force a refresh while your check
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: checking the interval
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: which might not be a bad thing if your having redrawing issues, just forcing a refresh
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: pesky garage charged me 6 quid too much for my two tyres, the gits
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: they charged me for nitrogen inflation and tyre disposal, neither of which I asked for, grumble
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: anyone know if that inventory plugin nick gammon was working on is fixed now or if there is an alternative to it?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I wonder whether it's possible to get the data from the GMCP mapper in another plugin? I waned to be able to go to the nearest unexplored room
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're grabbing data from the database, not from the mapper, so yes quite possible :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: does the database lock thugh?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: though
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're reading, not writing
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec nods
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: that would be my theory -- assuming you can open the database in this way
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: actually, there's a generic find function in aardmapper.lua
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: so it should be easy -- just have to work out how the room markup works -- cool stuff
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: now I can auto-explore:-)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: select rows which have exit id but not room id or similar, yup
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the mapper is nice, but I can't share the database between my multiple machines (well I could but...)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: so getting rooms in for an area has to be done multiple times
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: only issue i have with the mapper is that it doesnt open doors
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yeah, that's a pain
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a few other limitations yet as well
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: portals, custom exist & path costs
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: i can live with the no portal support and everything else just not the no door open support
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It's probably quite easy, just selecting null exits.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the problem with doors is that information doesn't come from GMCP as far as I can tell
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at Swalec.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: getting annoying having to manually open doors now when my zmud client does it auto
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Venomangel tells you to fork off!  Forkrist sakes!
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: which is a pain -- I wanted to port my exits_detector plugin but can't
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah does it create the exit when you move or when you land on room (sorry could just walk somewhere of course bit lazy)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it tells you the exits, but not the "closed door" info
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: since mapper remembers the room name once you hit room surely it could just run a check once you hit room to see if an open command is sent and remember a door in that directioon from that room num
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah alright, but assuming autoexplore is goto wherever its unexplored, it would work.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I didn't interpret the question as automaticly exploring :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Samar Tech: how do you keep on the input line the last command, with mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: in the older version, there was a Preference setting to autoclear the command line.  If I recall correctly.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Samar Tech: found, it is auto repeat command... thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: what's the easiest way of controlling my stationary PC from my laptop, online. Too lazy to get up every frigging time I need to put a new song on 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: remote desktop
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: teamviewer
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: thanks dagnir, I'll give it a shot
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: or vnc
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: VNC I use for that as well :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: better than teamviewer?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: teamviewer is pretty foolproof
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: No idea, never used teamviewer.. Found VNC and sticked with it, fills all my needs
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i use tightvnc myself
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: also, a a remote control would do the job
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: I use remote desktop :P
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Ubuntu didn't get very creative with their VNC viewer name :P
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pittazz Tech: ssh ^^
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hehe
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: a severed finger on a pole
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i use ssh all the time
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hell, i mud over ssh
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: tech never tried x over ssh tho
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: works well enough
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't have x installed on the server i use anyway :P
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: anyu one know how to mess with the aard muchclient to make change which windows are on top of which
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Senator Starbug Tech: could someone tell me the site to download the muschclient plugin to recast failed spells?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger bast
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Senator Starbug Tech: thanks :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or you could google 'mushclient spellup plugin'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brother Atreidess Tech: Is there any way to "arrange" child windows in cmud?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Natasmai Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brother Atreidess Tech: I want to have 3 windows visible side by side across the top of my screen
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Natasmai Tech: click the title of the window and drag to where you want it
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brother Atreidess Tech: And how do yuo anchor it?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brother Atreidess Tech: so it's not just floating on top
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: when you move the window it should give you the ability to dock wherever, right/left/top/bottom of the main window
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brother Atreidess Tech: got it, thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: was going to say mine autodocks *shrug* ;)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: anyone have suggestions on Windows video editing? Premiere Elements? Avid Express?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brother Atreidess Tech: Anyone know of a good GMCP automap capture script?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnidlohnad Tech: which client?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brother Atreidess Tech: any cmud gurus on who can help me with a few questions?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: who has most of the mud mapped?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: noscript question - how to only allow certain domains scripts to run only if i'm on that domain, but not on any other sites?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: anyone know if theres any way to "transfer" scripts on zmud to TinyFugue?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: by rewriting them
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hell, you can't even transfer scripts between zmud and cmud
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: ahh ok thanks
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: you want to market scripts by domain, like DVD sales, tsk
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: eh?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: my goal is to allow facebook javascript only if i'm on facebook.com, but block the scripts when i'm on any other domain
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: You might be able to do that with AdBlock, I don't know if NoScript has similar functionality though, not gone into it that deeply
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: good point
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: how are the other domains aware of the facebook javascript, and able to use that script - is the script in temporary-internet-files or permanently onfile on the hdisk
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varena Tech: Anyone know the best client to use with linux? :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I use mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I use mushclient also
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: best is subjective
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I use mushclient on linux through wine also
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient plugins get the most public active development
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I must agree. mushclient under wine
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you use mushclient under wine, add the /wine switch to the command line to turn off COM
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I don't have to do that, but ymmv
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: no need to, metria. Works for me without any special options
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't run it from the command line
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It works for me too, but I find I get better performance with COM turned off
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I do, however, use WINE 1.0 because later versions are not compatible with newer intel graphics drivers
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm using Crossover Games
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: using wine 1.3
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it'll run with newer WINE versions, but certain graphics calls get messed up 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and wine-hq blames intel
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varena Tech: hmm, thanks! :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varena Tech: I use mushclient now, so prolly is my best bet just to run it under wine
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I just use whatever emerge says is current, but that doesn't tell anything about problems with intel cards, I have nvidia
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: as far as I know, it's only a problem with newer intel graphics in the core i series
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I have a thinkpad x201
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: technically x201i
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: What is the URL to get the new aard client
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you want an official release version or a development version?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: most advanced gmcp implementation
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Advanced?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/list has the latest development snapshot
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: most recent, likely.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but you should still read the official aardwolf.com webpage about it at http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: most community involvement incorporated
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: the question he's asking is one about betatesting and being affected by bugs (along with the obligation to find/report them so they can be fixed), or having the trust and stability of a public version.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Beta is never a problem for me. Thanks Fiendish.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: if you don't want the hassle of random breakage or having to participate in investigative stuff, it's best to stick to the public version.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if the problems of using the latest betas don't phase you, then keep an eye on that page, because there will be updates more often than we do official announced releases
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: all I ask is that if you encounter a problem you file a report at https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/issues/list
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Renras Tech: what are the rest of us blind people using for clients? I've got Mushclient right now
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: I'm having some client issues and would like some help if someone has a minute
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Going to need a lot more info than that
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: I'm using the gmud client. every time someone sends me a tell while I'm catching them, they still show up, and it catches the tell as well.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you're using gmud?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: also when I talk on a channel {chan ch=<whatever channel>} then everything else
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: yes I am
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just curious
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Gmud is pretty ancient, isn't it?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: it's the one I used way back in the day when I used to play, haven't really looked for anything else
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huh
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You may wish to look into MUSH or cmud.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well the answer you're looking for is that that stuff you see is called tags. read help tags. or more expediently "tags channels off" to disable them
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: are they free?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient is free
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and aardwolf has a customized package
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: okay, thanks, I'll take a look at that, be back shortly
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: if you know how to do some scripting on zmud is it easy to translate that to mush?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not really
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I mean, yes and no
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you have to get used to scripting becoming more complicated because you can do more
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: I see, its the only thing keeping me on zmud
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient scripting is...more complicated, but also more powerful
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: but its like speaking a different language, yeah?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: most mushclient scripting is done in Lua
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: this is pretty spiffy
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: could someone send me a tell so I can see if it fixed it?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: the tell still shows up and catches
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try turning off tell tags with "tags tells off"
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: unless you want to use the aardwolf mushclient package, which handles all of that for you
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: that's what I'm using
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it doesn't use gmcp, fiendish?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: I just downloaded it and opened it up. It looks nice ^_^
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: myrkul it's complicated
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh then don't turn off tell tags
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it shouldn't need tell tags
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Myrkul: you're wrong. it's complicated :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it still needs channel tags to gag, but if you have catchtells on there's nothing to gag with the tells tag anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: then please explain?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: tagged tells still show up with catchtells on
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: right, i know that
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but not if you have tell tags off
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm. hold on
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: send me a tell 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh you can? nifty
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: well, with the comm log I guess I don't really need to catch tells eh?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess the reason to have tell tags on now is to prevent the comm window and main output from showing different things
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's still good if you idle without going afk
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's could be a better reason, but I guess I can't think of it now
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: so I guess I just deal with the doubles?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or convince me that the plugin doesn't need to turn them on at all
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh, right
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the client doesn't know if you have catchtells set
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if you want to gag them completely, you need catchtells off and tags on
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's a good reason i suppose
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you don't use catchtells, without tags you'd miss them in main output
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but even with the tag on, he shouldn't be seeing two lines, since the tagged one should be gagged...
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm. Only the tag is removed. the line isn't gagged
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: he isn't seeing the message twice. he's seeing the message and then the line that he caught a tell
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if he does replay he'll see the tell again
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: which seems strange :P
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not harmful
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: don't see why that line shouldn't be gagged completely
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because the client doesn't know if you are catching tells or not
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you aren't catching tells you want your tells gagged?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: they go to the chat window anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: tie it to the chats echo off then, if anything
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it is. you can disable echoing
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah, ok
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess I can add a custom don't echo tells for if you have catchtells on
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or figure out a way for the client to know reliably if you have catchtells on or off
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: so... what do I do?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: about what?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: turn off catchtells, turn off chats echoing, or live with it :P
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can just turn off tell tags I think if you're going to use catchtells
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: okay, thanks techies! 
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though I don't know if that will affect tells going through notes or not
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it shouldn't, gmcp is sent while in note mode
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suppose ideally the You just caught a tell message would be what has the tag on it if you're catching tells
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so that THAT shows up in note mode and then you don't see the tell content before typing replay
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, the point was originally to capture the tagged line, so that would be kinda useless
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nah, it could still have the tags on the message after you do replay
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just not show the message before you replay
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: perhaps, but i wouldn't want Fiendish has sent you a tell. filling my chat window :P
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: heh
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: fair point
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but the chat window is filled by gmcp anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it is now, it wasn't when the tag was introduced
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in any case, if you want I can split echo on/off to cover tells and channels separately.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just file an enhancement request at https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/issues/list
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: is there a way to switch the tnl bar to fill instead of drain?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oooh, that's a good idea! never thought of that :P
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i like it so much i'm doing it to mine right now :P
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Drydek, yes - it's already done in development.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: awesome ^_^ when will it release?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i don't have an exp bar :(
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: now i feel like i need one.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Dunno, but you can grab the updated health bars plugin at the website
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: what does it change?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Gives you a toggle to reverse the exp bar
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: ah, cool, thanks ^_^
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: I don't see anything about downloading a plugin
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/MUSHclient/worlds/plugins/aard_health_bars_gmcp.xml
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: how do I use it? save target as and put it in the mush client folder?
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Save it over the existing plugin. (You probably don't want to have Mushclient open when you do this).  It's in mushclient/worlds/plugins/
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: okay, brb, I'll let you know how it goes
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm off to bed, good luck.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: works like a charm. Thanks. :)
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: anyway, I'm headed off to bed as well. Keep up the good work Tech department. ^_^
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: woah, the GMCP handler plugin sure doesn't like Doctor Cameroon "Rusty" Baboon
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prattler Tech: there might some issue with the quotes
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: yeah, it errors and stop working everytime i talk to him
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: sooo i installed the audible manager thing, and now under All Programs (im using vista), i have a Programs folder which.. has all of the All Programs list. to make a long story short - i have two programs lists and i need to get rid of one, but it won't delete
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: have to tried going into the start menu's folder inside you user settings?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: no.. let me see if i can find where id do that
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: %username%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: that's under windows 7, but it may be the same
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: if it's not there, check \Users\Default\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: looking..
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: and.. ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: let again, that's under 7, so it may be a little different
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: yet
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: i cant find the users default deal
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: can you see hinden folders?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: hidden
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: i dont know - would they be marked as hidden if i could see them?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: they would be kinda transparent
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: like would they have a tag or something
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: ok, then i do not
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: folder options, view
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: folder options is in the control panel
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 3 changes I immediately make to any computer...show hidden, UNcheck hide protected OS files, and UNcheck hide extensions :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lywryn nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: ok changed it so i can see things
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: ok, now look in those 3 folders
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: under windows there is a program files folder dated 1/31/2011 and there is a program data thing 1/26/2011
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: can i try deleting one of them?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: in the default user, or your user?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: im the only user
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: you have to have a default user as a template for new accounts
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: hmm
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: ok got the default user folder up
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: oooh theres the appdata thing
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: ok, found the windows/start menu
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: tech anyway, if you see 2 folders in the root of the start menu folder, then that is your problem
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: there isnt :/
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: just one
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: (as in there is only one woot highlander)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: check C:\Users\All Users\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: that's the global start menu
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: there is one programs folder and there is a programs shortcut
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: hmm.. so when you click on "all programs" you have another folder in there called "programs"
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: yes. like say that under all programs i have ABC.  in addition to that ABC i also have a programs folder, and in it is ABC
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: oh, apparently you can just right clock on "all programs" and open the user start menu and the global start menu from there
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: click
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: will that get rid of the double program thing?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: inside the duplicate programs folder, is there another programs folder?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: no.. and the program folder is gone :p the one that we were trying to get rid of
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: so it's fixed?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: i think so.. but what happened?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: i have no clue lol
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: did you delete anything?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: okay then :)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: lol, windows read your mind
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: i installed something, and uninstalled it though, which is when i found the issue
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: bout freaking time it did!
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: oh, that's why
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: thanks very kindly!
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: no problem
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: gaardian.com is down ?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: I was just gonna say, I'm having issues with it
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: what do you need it for?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: room name cps
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: use duckbat's website
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: what is the url ?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: duckbat.com
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: Thanks !
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: I just got "Access denied for user 'root'localhost' (using password: YES)"
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: Yes... mysql error 
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: oh, his site must not be working either
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: some kind of strange conspiracy to keep room-name cps from getting completed
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: iwuvaard.org
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: iwuvaard won't have the newer areas in it though
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: anyone on here? I had a feature idea
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ok
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: on the mush client, under the sc card and the status bars, I think you should put like a little notepad type thing there. to help keep track of what you need for quests and such and what you have
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a what?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, a sticky note
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: exactly ^_^
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i'll call it notepad!
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: find a sticky note program for your platform. problem solved.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: am I correct in thinking that this note area would not interact with the mud in any way?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: It could. maybe a durrent goals list or a quest target or something like that
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's an interesting idea...
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: can you make a window that's all command line? :P
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not easily
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe not at all
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there already exist quest, campaign and GQ target lists that auto-update
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: I also had another idea, in that little area of space you could put a little mobdeaths thing that stays current with your level
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: now there's a useful idea
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: remember, however, that what you see as a bit of space might not be...
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: people with smaller screens don't have any space, and the windows already overlap
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: isn't that the point of being able to resize the windows though? and can't you turn the windows off if you don't want them?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you're better off asking someone to write these plugins for you than trying to get those plugins added to the main client package
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drydek Tech: okay, was just an idea. Later all :)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I like the mobdeaths idea, but it won't go into the main package
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: drydek, feel free to post on the tech board a request for someone to make a plugin :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: heh, WD seem to also employ monkies for their support work
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: asked him why his website claimed my warranty expired on 1st March 2011 and yet was saying it was out of warranty
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this for your friend's drive that fried without backups the other day?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: nogs
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: march, february, what's the difference...so they rounded :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: between making mountains come to him and blowing up trade centres, he managed to avoid the question entirely and tried to sell me a new hard drive + data recovery
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've only used data recovery once...not an affordable proposition, generally
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: seagate, on the other hand, managed to sidestep the questions i put to them by ignoring the long form i filled in online and instead asked me to confirm which country i was in
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i'm still wondering what's so difficult about replying with "You RMA number is <x>. Here is a link for a printable label"
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nothing. newegg does that for me all the time
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: shame seagate couldn't manage it :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: WD probably could manage it, if they could work out what the date is
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and todays thwap goes to Mozilla for Firefox's glitchy caching module
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fiend, for the -1 room number, I'm guessing it's because it's going off the same room flag as clan maze rooms, for which we really do not want valid room numbers being displayed
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: unfortunate
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno why there should be any sort of unmappable flag on any real area room, though
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: noexplore flag doesn't have the issue
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no good reason that I can think of 
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: not even maze flagged?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's just one room that you enter and exit by custom exits
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mazes give the UID of the current room
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just not valid UIDs for exits
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but it's marked unmappable
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which for mazes means that you can use GMCP instead of 'drop x', when mapping them out, but cannot just immediately walk them (which I could do with ATCP before GMCP)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: either way, I've now made it impossible to link custom exits or portals to and from unmappable rooms in the latest gmcp mapper file. I just wish it didn't apply to rooms outside of clan mazes
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: did lasher ever make it so that groupies followed through custom exits?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: iduno
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, good question
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that and banning them in building regulations
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, we know that's not gonna happen
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: custom exits are clearly not banned
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but definition of 'moderation' would be nice ;-)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: don't i know it
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what, you mean "needed to navigate every 3 seconds" isn't moderate use?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: maybe we should just ban everyone except Tir and Domain from building :-)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'll have you know I designed an area that doesn't use any custom exits
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: well done :-_)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I got a kick out of Paramore's note where he expressly stated (about empyrean) "Many of the progs were written to be irksome"...now THAT's a freaking good philosophy for a builder or IMM to have when designing areas...making it irksome should be much higher on the priority list than, say, making it useful
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: did paramore write it?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: (the area)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: figures
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: useful yes, a challenge, yes
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: mean? maybe yes, irksome? fancy a boot in the head
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: the best description I could find for Empyrean is "over-engineered"
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think that there's just a silent contest...now that Citron's inactive, everyone's vying for the crown
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: citron's annoying stuff was optional
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, common issue in v3...nobody understands that just because it exists as a mprog/lua/exit option doesn't mean that you have to use it
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I like to see some things done just because they can be
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in a demonstration context, sure
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'd like someone to take my tetris code and work it into an area :)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I never did get around to finishing monopoly...
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I had a plan at one point to make multiplayer board games using lua progs
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: whereas the rest of us couldn't care less about innovation, and just want useful, challenging, or interesting areas that follow normal process
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you done the manor thing that I forget who made out of a few T9 manors?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yowza's game of chance?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, that's prolly it. it sounded like a board game type thing that they ran
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't think they actually have game code running it, though
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, manor mprogs would be neat, but definitely an administrative headache
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the biggest problem with tetris was that at the time the MUD's allowed wait delay times were restricted to a minimum of 1 second. so it's not clear how to ramp up speed
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so I figured I'd do a board game instead, where you don't need an active worker thread
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but then never did
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, is that what output 7 is, 1s?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not that. hold on.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: fixedpause() takes a number
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but ignores values lower than 1
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know where the documentation for fixedpause is. if there is any.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno, don't see it on wiki anyway
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: who here has some freetime to help me get cmud mapper up and runnin
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: when reading in a wildcard using (.+) in regex what would be the best way to Stop reading before two spaces so for instance "This : wfe wfw df      !" it would get "wfe wfw df" and no excess spaces.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: or can i use the "trim" function to remove all the white space after before the !?  (cmud btw)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prattler Tech: I use negative lookahead for that (?! )
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: perhaps use .- instead of .+
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe "(.-)  "
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: hmm i'll give it a try
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: given that as far as I know we have something like 50 different room flags, what's the longest string of them ever seen from a regular player perspective?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: How do I see which relase of the aardwolf mushclient I'm using?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: help -> about
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: No, which release of the Aardwolf Mushclient, not which version of Mushclient
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: oh, misread
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Np
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: that i have no idea heh
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: you have the new version.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: the secret hack in it to find all your porn works for you, so it must be the new one.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Sandelous.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: why so quiet, deleting your porn?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Scandalous.*
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: I am more of a streaming kind of guy.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Riddim has 24/7 streaming porn. So, why would he delete his porn?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: so Mom can't trace the history and see what he's been looking at?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: oburn
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: is your porn free or do you waste money at the commercial porn-sites
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: by the by, why are we discussing the merits of pr0n on Tech?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Razor brought it up.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Razor hits his nose with a newspaper, "Bad Razor, Bad!!"
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: some of the neophytes may want tech information on how to access pr0n while playing aard
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: only you need pr0n xyliz.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Anyone know best practices for downloading and installing the latest version of Aard Mushclient?  Lots of cool stuff has been added it seems, but if I just copy the new Zip file over, will I lose my current aliases, and setup?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: save the two .db files in the mushclient folder
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: those are your gmcp map databases
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yes you probably will.. Backup the Aardwolf.mcl file, and the two databases. (Aardwolf.db and Aardwolf_notes.db)
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in future updates after this one, you'll probably also be able to save all of the state files, but at least this time you'll need to replace them
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: state files store things like font choices for each plugin and miniwindow location
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ah yeah that was an issue when I upgraded have a few plugins that save stuff in state files, and not only did I have to copy them, had to renmae them.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's safest to either delete all the state files or use the new ones. setting up the fonts and positions again isn't that bad
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and after this time you shouldn't have to do it again. well maybe. I keep telling myself that.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but then I keep doing things
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Haha, will it do it just for your plugins, or all plugins?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just for the plugins that are shipped with the client
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I have a potion, equipment, and CR plugin that save info in state files
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: those are fine to save
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: And all the plugins I have loaded, they will have to be reloaded?  Or can I do something to reload them?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Things like Bast's CP reporter, spellup, etc.  Do those survive transition or do I have reload all of those.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Yes.
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they should be untouched
T3/r2/2011-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ok thanks a lot!