T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: can anyone tell me what happened to my mapper?  I'm using the aard version of mushclient, and when i restarted my computer recently, the mapper was gone
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You alt-tabbed, accidentally opened the menus, and changed the World name.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: didn't do any of those :(
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Press Alt-1, then make sure World name is set to "Aardwolf"
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: i know i downloaded some update to the mapper by Fiendish, i think
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: yes, world name is Aardwolf
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did you overwrite the database files when you unpacked the update?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: There's two databases: Aardwolf.db and Aardwolf_bookmarks.db
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: i don't know, i just did what it said to do
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What did it say to do?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: i don't  remember, but i think i did overwrite the previous file
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'd say you're hosed, then.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: why?  it was supposed to overwrite the previous file
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you overwrote the databases, then you wrote over the map data.  It's gone.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: i did this a while back, though
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: the mapper just disappeared the other day
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: i installed the fiendish update right when the aard mushclient was released, there was no map data to overwrite at that point
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Wouldn't really be RELEVANT then, would it?  What did you do "the other day" when it disappeared?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: nothing, just restarted my computer like usual
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Good luck with that.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: alllrighty then
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what's going on?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: imzadi: try typing mapper show
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: Sorry Imzadi, you can't do that.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then the gmcp map plugin is not installed. you must have disabled or removed it.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: perhaps you accidentally loaded the wrong world file
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: i know i didn't remove it :(
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: press shift+ctr+p and tell me everything in the list of active plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: i don't think so, i have the mushclient folder that i downloaded from aardwolf.com
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you may post a screenshot of it, if that's easier
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: it's just a dark gray area where the mapper used to be
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes, yes, but I want to know what is in the list of active plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you press shift+ctrl+P does a window pop up?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: ok
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: yes...i'll try and get a screen capture
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ok
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is everything else still there? ONLY the gmcp mapper is missing, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or are we talking about the ascii map?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: http://img832.imageshack.us/i/pluginscreenshot.jpg/
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: yes, only the mapper is missing
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yup. looks like you accidentally unloaded the mapper plugin somehow
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: click on the Add... button and go load it back in
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Wow, nice quotes from your clannies in there, too.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's only escobar
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: where do i find the mapper file?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Good point
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in the mushclient/world/plugins folder
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: aard_GMCP_mapper.xml
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also, that's a really odd layout for the miniwindows. it's not an optimal use of the available space, imo.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: that's what i got when i installed it
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but you can move them around
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and resize them
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: anyway, i get an error when i try to add that mapper file
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what error?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: it gives me a screen with all kinds of code on it
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: show me
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: did you get the .lua update too or just the .xml?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: http://img442.imageshack.us/i/screencodea.jpg/
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: i don't know, whatever was up there to download
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you didn't download the file correctly
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that is not the plugin file
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's the Google Code page.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: here. just get this. it's the latest development package for the client. https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/list
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's the whole folder rolled up with all updates
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: all you need to do is copy over your .db files from the old directory
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and then re-load your Bonnie files
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: hrmm
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: In particular, do not unpack that over your existing installation
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: i don't even know how to install this
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it is a zip file
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: if it's not over the original, where do i put it?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: somewhere
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you'll get rid of the original after you move over your .db files
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and your Bonnie script files
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: i don't even know where my Bonnie script files are
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that would be a good thing to find out
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: ok, i'm just going to have to figure this out later, it's late and i'm tired...thank you for your help :)
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Your Bonnie scripts are in C:\Users\Bonnie\Documents.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imzadi Tech: ok, thanks :)  i'll try it later
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: So, I'm going to give tf a try, and was trying to use the scripts on Abelinc's page to patch in GMCP support.  I've downloaded the tf5 source from sourceforge and the diff files from Abelinc's site...how do I patch the files?  I've tried "patch allrootpatch.txt" from the tf-50b8 directory, but it just sits there for some reason...
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: patch < allrootpatch.txt
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: might be also patch -p1 < allrootpatch.txt
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Ah, k - thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: To which address do I send the invoice?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington D.C. 20500
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Make sure you include specific threats as to what will be done on non-payment.  Gets your request more attention.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and write it in arabic, if you know how
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: AardWolf doesn't support Unicode, last I checked.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Otherwise I'd peruse the Google Translator.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Any tt++ users awake?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: i'm looking for a tool that has a receiver and transmitter and basically gives the distance between the two, anyone know of any?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I know of a lot
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what kind of distance are you looking for?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: what sort of distance are you talking of? 
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec looks peevish
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: nothing more than 300'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 300 what
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: feet?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: ' is the symbol for feet
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ' is not actually the symbol for feet
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: how accurate? two GPS good enough?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 4 is the symbol for feet
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: where did you get that symbol from?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: eh doesn't need to be too accurate I think
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are you trying to measure how far you shoot?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: pew pew pew!
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: use an odometer
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: i looked into the laser measures but they have bad reviews
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: like one of those wheel odemeters you can get an a hardware store
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: I don't want that
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: anything Fiendish?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you don't want to use lasers, then get two cellphones with GPS and compare coordinates
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but you'll be accurate to only, say, +/- 15 meters
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: that's a bit of a big error margin...
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: that's a pretty far spread
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: the problem i see with the lasers is during daytime they may be harder to see
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: A quick google suggests that lasers are the way to go, but they are a tad expensive (I see models from $120 up roughly)
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: what is wrong with a tape measure?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: or a theodolite
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: what's the purpose of the measurement?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: or one of those 10 quid things you can get for measuring the distance of a golf hole
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can't think of any easy to buy kit for using RF or similar
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: well I found this: http://www.amazon.com/Sonin-10300-Multi-Measure-Professional-Electronic/dp/B00004W4B2/ref=sr_1_11?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1296580070&sr=1-11
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hey, there you go
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's funny that it doesn't get 300 feet, though
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: yeah 200 seems to be its max range
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: maybe there one out there that uses a longer wave
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: the reviews seem positive, but doesn't hit 300. I was looking at http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0038CMQWW/ref=asc_df_B0038CMQWW1414974?smid=A1NBRSLCT7OH96&tag=dealtmp434983-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B0038CMQWW (which are Golfer/Hunter tools)
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I return to my suggestion of two GPS's
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: not that accurate, but will measure any distance up and including those affected by the curvature of the earth
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: except GPS accuracy to +/- 15 feet which is a big margin
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: not over 400 miles
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I still don't know what you are trying to achieve, hence the problem. The use case makes a difference
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: i want to use it to measure outdoor distances, nothing greater than 300 feet, I am securing a friend's weekend home which is on an island and therefore want to gauge distances from the house to the pier etc to decide on what cameras to put where
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: ah -- then I'd use a theodolite
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: of one of those golf thingies and a golf hole pole if you want to do it cheap
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You're still missing a good 10 or 15 years of content which means you are just pretending to know.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: huh?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: sorry, wrong chan
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Is there a way, on a linux system, to check if a type of window is in a given position? IE, if there ins't a terminal in this certain spot, create one here with geometry.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prattler Tech: ofcause there is, but can't remember the exact tools now, sorry
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "ofcause"?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: he's from joisey :P
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: My googlefu is failing me in the endeavor of finding out how :P
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what about man?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Not sure what to search man for, as i'm not sure what i'm looking for at all
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: This is the closest i've come to an answer --> XWindowAttributes (3) - get current window attribute or geometry and current ..
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: it'd start with what environment are you working with. X11? QT? Some scripting language? There is no GUI in "linux"
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: w
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Looking for x window locations
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: mix
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: More specifically gnome-terminal
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I'm not gui person, but this looks like it could help: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2879681/is-there-a-way-to-enumerate-the-open-windows-on-mac-and-x11
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: cheezburger, check out wmctrl
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Nods, thanks :) wmctrl looks to be what i was looking for.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnidlohnad Tech: what are you using it for? I use screen to split my terminals in various places
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It communicates with window managers to work with windows in X
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It let's you do things with them from the command line or a script.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cranar Tech: Anyone use TINYzip?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cranar Tech: well...TinyZIP
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: yes.... you do
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cranar Tech: No I don't, that's why I'm asking.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why would you?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cranar Tech: Need to know reliability to send a solid design assembly to someone else.  Very large files need to be compressed.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use 7zip 
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cranar Tech: You use it?  Reliable?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cranar Tech: Thanks, I'll try that.  Appreciate it.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: is there a plugin for Mush that shows room numbers? I hear CMUD shows them...was wonderin if Mush did too
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't need a plugin for it, they exist in variables already for the mapper
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: if you have gmcp plugin, gmcpdebug 1
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: that worked - thanx :)
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: seagate won the hdd war
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: It would be %1 on mush anyways, not $*
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: You would on mush
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: gaddamnit
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: woooo we're out of ipv4's
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I've got 8 class C ranges :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and am using like 12 addresses publicly }:>
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: anyone can recommend a decent client for ubuntu? can set alias etc
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: mush?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: Mush under WINE.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you like clicky buttons, then mush under wine or mudlet natively
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you like geeky CLI stuff, then tintin++ or tinyfugue, both native
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Laughing Lacrimosa nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: tintin++ is pretty sweet if all you are looking for is a good client with scripting and MCCP!
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all 4 have a fair number of scripts available right off the bat
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: clicky meaning?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use a mouse
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: icic
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: yucky mouse
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: will try tintin++ or tinyfugue then. thanks guys
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I CAN HAZ Cheezburger Tech: Ok, this is annoying as hell. Randomly tt++ 2.00.5 on Ubuntu 10.10 complains about and terminates due to Segmentation Fault, how the hell do i track that down and fix it?
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: with cmud and window
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Semper Baconist flutters his eyelashes seductively.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: make sure it's compiled with symbols & open the core file with gdb...or run it within gdb...or email the tt++ list asking if they have any leads on a random segfault issue
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: basic steps would be to install corresponding -dbg package, install gdb, run tt++ with ulimit -c unlimited, when it crashes load the core into gdb, and then stare at the C code. Unless you are not C developer, then it won't help you anyway
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: even without being a developer, opening it and doing a trace can let you give a more-informed bug report of what routine it was in
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: There are similar reports on sourceforge TT++ site Cheezburger, but I didn't see any causes or solutions posted
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Anyone know how i could use scp to copy an entire directory over to a remote host?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: +through SSH
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: why not just .tgz it up first?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: that's an option
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: scp has compression and recursion
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: hmm, i don't get it
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I got the .tar.gz sitting right here, shows up on ls, nautilus, etc, but when i go to scp it says it doesn't exist
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: you sure you're in the same working directory?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: i run tt++ 2.00.4 on ubuntu without any problems, so perhaps just step back a version
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: also: you're using scp [source] [dest]?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nods
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: try giving the full path?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I'm using full paths instead of relative
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: already am
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: balls
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: what's the command line you type?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Several different versions, but basically 'scp ~/tintin.tar.gz colby@10.0.0.4 ~/
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: ah. 
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: try scp ~/tintin.tar.gz colby0.0.0.4:
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: --> scp ~/tintin.tar.gz colby0.0.0.4:/home/colby
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but with the corret ip.. 
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: need that in there
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Same error both
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: `/home/colby/tintin.tar.gz: No such file or directory`
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: you have proper perms, and it's chown'd to you?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nods
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: ttry scp ./tintin.tar.gz etc 
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: if you stand in the correct dir
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: a local cp to make sure things are ok
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: No luck ranrr
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: if you type ls -l /home/colby/tintin.tar.gz it shows the file?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: On the local computer, yes
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: so, perhaps your home directory on the remote machine does not exist?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: are you issuing this command from the local computer or the remote one...
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Oh, wow
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger slaps himself on the head and yells, "DOH!"
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: someone just shoot me for my stupidity
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Drakoth aims the crosshairs..FootLong Cheezburger collapses in a pool of blood.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: thanks :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Not sure what i was thinking in trying to scp from the remote host. leh sigh
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: np ^^
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: ATI AMD 5xxx shows horisontal red stripes (for 2-3 minutes) when powering on and after alt-tab from 3d app to desktop, any clues ?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: chip damage
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or solder damage, i guess
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: what I've been afraid of, tnx :(
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: desktop card?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: and taken from overclocking benching stand half year ago, red stripes since that time
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: makes perfect sense then
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: actually, i've fixed couple of bricked cards with a heatgun
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i died again 3 months later, the other one is still working (7th month)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 1 died*
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: By the way, what do electrolytic capacitors do at temperature 200C?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: it's not mine and I won't risk heating it, so well, no other way as to live with it :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: at least it's still working
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: blow up, Cizra ? :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: That's what I suspected (= Makes reflow soldering them a bit difficult
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the ones i heated were totally screwed. one had massive artefacts and the screen was split in a bizarre way. the other one just had stripes and then started causing bsods
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: at least the striped one comes off the mobo so it can be replaced
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: heatgun works directly at the chip, I think, and if heating inside an oven you should wrap the card in a foil, leaving the chip open
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the other one was on the mobo, glad it worked
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: heatgun is pretty much the last thing you can do
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but sometimes surprisingly efficient
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: no, Dagnir, oven is the last thing :P
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't have an oven, you insensitive clod!
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Anadorr comforts Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that reminded me, i have to go out and get a new heatgun
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: new mobo - 200 euros, stolen heatgun from a russian market - 10 euros
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec violently as he uses + as the concatenation operator in lua for the 100th time
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: lua is evil... but it's the only evil properly supported by mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I actually like lua, but this one always catches me out
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I would constantly try to access invalid elements or miscalculate array sizes if I tried to write anything serious in lua
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I like lua also, the .. throws me when I come back from scripting in python, the rest doesn't bother me that much
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: mcafee antispam marked an email from Mcafee to renew my licence as SPAM....lol...:)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: in cmud if i want to display the time taken (say 01:32:05) 1h, 32m, 5s, in the first display how would i get it to display 01 instead of just 1 (not using %time function, already calculated the time taken so i'm displaying a variable holding the value '1')
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Humpton Tech: turn it into a strin?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Humpton Tech: turn it into a string?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: that is likely the only intelligent choice that antispam made.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Nimwit Velian raises an eyebrow at Zarquil's weird actions.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: macafee has caused more harm on systems for me than it has prevented.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: Hey ...i got a question about cell phones. Anyone got a minute? -- > If you use a US-based cell phone in another country (say we're in Greece) and call a US-based cell phone in the US, does that count as international calling or domestic calling?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: international
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: Aww shucks. LOL
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: on both sides -- calls in the US can sometimes rack up charges of 2 dollars a minutes when you get hit by roaming charges at both ends. 
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: mobile charges in the US are only barely more clear than tax returns
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: well i have no-roaming on both phones
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: so it doesn't matter where in the world it is
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: i was just trying to figure out how the charges might apply
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: get a local SIM if you going to be there a while -- assuming your phone isn't locked
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: buy a majick jack
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: majic jack?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: magic jack don't work on cell phones
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: no i was trying to help a friend get around the nasty charges for texting and calling me to the US by sending them a US-based phone
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: but if it won't help then meh :P
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: $30 and you get 1 yr free calls to US/Canada
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: mine calls cell phones...
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: yah, phone call cards are best value for that, depending on where your friend is
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: South Africa >_>
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: dunno about cards there...sorry
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: it doesn't matter where in the world i call...my rates are the same
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: wasn't it the other way around? someone from SA trying to call you?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: I shut up, ate too much
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: they try to call me, but i've been calling them cause it's cheaper for them to receive a call :P
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what about a smartphone with skype? then they just pay data charges, I don't know how much that would be though
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: well thanks anyways :) *off*
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: my other thought with Android you can use gmail to send out texts that doesn't cost text messaging.  depends ont he phone
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Is it possible to set up a static IP for a computer connected to the internet only through a wireless connection? Everything i see online seems to assume i'm connected through an ehternet cable, and i'm very, very rarely wired for my internet connection. If someone's googelfu is stronger than mine, can you point me to a location that explains how to do it? (Ubuntu system, fyi)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Your wireless or someone else's?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: My own
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: have you tried setting up reserved addresses though your router?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Not sure how.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Then you get in your router and assign an address to be given via dhcp or use one outside the dhcp range.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Since its yours, you probably won't have much chance of a collision anyway.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredibly Flat Tech: there is really very little reason to ever need a static IP address. nearly everything will either use DHCP or DNS 
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: mappings to the inside addresses...
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: If you want to reach them from the outside.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Got a link to a site explaining set by step how to do that? Basically, i just want to use this one laptop for SSH purposes, and currently i can only use it on my local network, and i want to reach them from other locations
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredibly Flat Tech: dhcp handles all the inside addresses, dns all the external stuff
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: tell that to my IT dept at work plz..
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: yeah, you use DNS to reach inside addresses
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Not if the are private like 192.168, etc.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, but i can only access my computer through the local network through 10.0.0.4, but can't reach it from any network other than the one i'm connected to
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: then you use a dynamic dns service
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: What do you mean?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: There a lot of variables here.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I'm uber-newbish when it comes to this kind of stuff.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You want to use your laptop to access the other computers not the other way around right?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: yeah, it's hard to map internal address from a residential line
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredibly Flat Tech: with all due respect Cheezy, this isn't the place to learn it. Its a little on the complex side for a gaming channel or class
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: No, i want to use other computers to access my laptop
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Then you will have to figure out how to configure your wireless router to forward the incoming port to your laptop.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: K, that i think i know how to do.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: but then, you always will have to know your external ip
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: and that is not static
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: that's the one shown in http://www.whatismyop.com, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: op=ip
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: correct
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Will it change every few days? I remember somewhere saying it doesn't always stay the same.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Yes.  And they usually are not static.  However, they can often stay the same for a very long time.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You could write a little script to get your external address and email you when it changes.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: K, so on my router messings, it asks for 'server IP address' will i have to know what the IP of the computer that's connecting is?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I can't tell what you are looking at :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I don't have the computer i'm going to use with me, and that one WILL be connected to multiple different wirelesses, so i can't guarantee what it's address will be.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: it just says "Server IP Address"
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: when you port forward, you always put your "server" on a static ip
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Ah, that's probably what they mean.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I still don't quite understand (forgive my ignorance)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Different home wireless routers can have drastically different capabilities and config options.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: 'tell' me your wireless router model and I'll help you so we don't flood everyone.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: the easiest way to get a static ip to your laptop is you assign it an ip taht is outside of your DHCP's scope
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: How? If someone can point me to a good link to peruse through i can get out of your hair :P
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You're trying to config your router...the docs are the link.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Not very good ones, i've looked
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I offered.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I don't need any of your public address info to help.  I'm not gonna hack you.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: i'm behind 7 firewalls. come at me bro
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: lol, and even if he did give you that info, the router's NAT + SPI is hard to hack through
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: who knows who level3.net are?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: i know those guys
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: they're higher than level 2, lower than level 4
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: pi?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: look like some garbage eastcoast US backbone
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: they are a tier 1 network, they are part of the internet's backbone
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'll have to have another chat with my isp to see if i can have my connection routed around them
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: good luck with that, let us know how quickly they agree
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they did it for me last time, but for some reason the settings got cleared
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not like a big deal - they make one entry in their route table
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: whats the command to find how many countries are connected to aard, if anyone remembers off the top of their head, please?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: domains
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: domains
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: thank
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: In Vista, is there any way to make folder view preferences "stay?" Like, I always want size and data modified and name to be available as a sort option in detailed view, without having to add them from a menu.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I just noticed something
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissassa Ssadab Tech: ??
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: When I'm in a room with someone I can't see, and they say something, it says Someone says something in the main window, but it shows their name in the chat window aboce
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: above
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: gmcp must be able to grab the name
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's because GMCP doesn't care/know about personal situation
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: anyone familiar with troubleshooting the Aardwolf client? I can't even get it to open
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what's up
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: i get an "unable to open database file" for mushclient_prefs.sqlite even though the file is there
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are you using windows vista or 7?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: windows 7 64 bit
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: windows 7 has special security on some folders
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: can you run it as administrator?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: i am running as administrator and have tried running it under xp service pack 3
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: are u installing to a custom directory>
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: i have it installed to my desktop
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and you can't run it?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purple Hazeknight Tech: OH, if fiendish is here
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: or rather, to a folder on my desktop
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try downloading it again
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: nod that avoids some default dir screams by windoze
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purple Hazeknight Tech: Anyone know what the trigger is supposed to be if I want INFO to be captured into the chat window?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hazeknight: that is already an option. right click on the chat capture window for configuration
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purple Hazeknight Tech: Oh, heh, didn't even know that. I was trying to change the plugin itself
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: i wonder if my problem is because im using a non-english version of windows
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try deleting that prefs file
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: got it to work. moving it off teh desktop and into the base C:\ directory did it
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: cool
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's weird, to say the least though
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: thank you all for your help
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: wow metria still playing?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Back from the grave, you could say
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: she rolls over and plays dead with the best of them.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Usabobo Tech: i remember way back when when i used to chat with you and celesta
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vlar Tech: anyone having problems accessing the pirate bay?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: How do you restore .CHK files back to what they were?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: my camera's SD card had a weird error
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vlar Tech: you can't, afaik... sometimes .chk are fully recovered files, perhaps renaming it to the proper extension?  (I could be completely wrong).
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vlar Tech: check here: http://www.ericphelps.com/uncheck/
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: There do exist some tools that people have written that rename .chk (or any file) to their actual extension by examining the file. But it's far from perfect, (just looks at the header bytes)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I wouldn't bother unless it's extremely important information.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The 'file' utility from linux/unix will do that
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You can probably get it for Windows using cygwin or similar
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Oh yeah must stop assuming everyone is on windows :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vlar Tech: well, if he's got chk files, he's definitely running windows or dos.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm assuming .chk files are fragments though
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Which means that the data is probably gone, if it's not text
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: they're pictures, JPG. there's only 1 i need to recover
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: the rest i have
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: rename them all to .jpg and see if it works (if there arent thousands to click)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: go in a dos prompt by run --> command, navigate to dir, type ren *.chk *.jpg, if theres alot of chk files.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: the video clip came back o.O
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Then maybe you can just turn on thumbview, and see if windows can read any of the files.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: Oi...I got them back
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: --panic going away, self dialouge disappearing--
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That must be some world-class porn.  You must share.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Panic is this exchange student one day before her thesis on the most virus riddled laptop I've ever witnessed :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: She had never ever run update :p, a bad one that spread through the network finally broke her laptop :p
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starphoenix Tech: thanks for the help
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Use a boot cd to recover the thesis, you don't have to be able to boot the o/s to get the data of the drive
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah that's what I did, with her being more panicked, aaaah he's opening my laptop, is it broken now? :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Real panicky person :p
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: And of course the mail was gone, and she only had that laptop to work on :p
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vlar Tech: if I'm ssh'd from one linux box to another, is there a way to break that connection (assuming it's not responding)?  In telnet you could hit ctrl [  to break it...
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Open another shell and kill ssh
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Or ssh to the other box, and kill your login shell
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vlar Tech: yeah... that's the only way I could think of too.  I was hoping I was missing some key combo. thanks. 
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Anyone know if there's a driver i can install for linux (ubuntu specifically) to allow me access to my EnV Touch like i can under windows?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: It detects it for mobile broadband, but not it's contents like pictures and such
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: usb mode for files
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: that's how i'm trying but the phone isn't detected
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ahh, found a blog with some hints, lemme try those rq
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: has to be on the 5th friggin page
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Is it possible to create a way to have two identical maps and move between using an item? (so a portal with a relative position kinda).
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 1) what? 2) why?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Think a mirror world, when you use the item you'd step through the mirror, and would land in the corresponding square of the other map.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "the map"
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and why?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: So one could create an area based on good/darkness and step through one universe to the other. But it seemed to me this would only work with making an extra exit.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you mean in game?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Like every room in the area having a down exit to the 'other side', but that's kinda ugly, so I figured it would be nice if you needed an item.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, like eternal autumn
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah as an idea to build an area, the idea is to come up with an interesting puzzle using that.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes you can do that
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Thanks,I guess it has been done then :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but I can think of several ways how it would work, so it can be done. :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: sorta, in eternal autumn
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it has the two sides
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I expect that you mean the following...
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Would be even more awesome if you could change little things, without needing another identical area, then you could make it seem you're travelling in time and actually changing things.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: consider an area that is two realms, each being 5x5 grid. whatever your coordinate is in one realm, when you activate a command, you want to transport the player to the same coordinate in the other realm. yeah?
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: like unlocking a door in the past (map a), and finding it open when you come back to the present (map b)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: aduin: THAT would become a problem for multiple players
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: exactly like that
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the door thing would be an issue. you have to consider that an area is not only accessible to one player at a time
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's doable though
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah I suppose if it's not too big you could actually copy the area a few times, but that'd place quite a limit on what you can do :(
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but the teleporting is very doable
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Hmm interesting now thinking how could it work with lots of people.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Would be funny to stand in a room though and see a mob go : Suddenly in a poof of smoke the farmer disappears, like he was never born. (ie the mob was killed in the past by someone else) :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, that's doable too
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Heh, WoT balefire effect
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: That works? I didn't expect that nice.
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there's not much you can'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: can't do, really :P
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'm going to read up on how building works, maybe one day I could try it for real :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: check out aardwolf.com/lua.html :)
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: And it's possible to save at least some persistant info on a player basis, yeah seems with some creativity the sky is the limit :p
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: does anyone here know of a decent router for home that does full VPN (so not just pass-thru)?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Typically home routers don't do VPN without third party software.  There is an assumption that you'll be using it on a dynamic IP, so it makes VPN protocol troublesome at best.  Plus some ISPs make things more complicated with the way they handle IP assigning.  But I'd start by looking up routers with good third party support.  The WRT54GL used to be the best home solution as far as that was concerned, TONS of third party software for that baby.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: yeah, I read some good reviews about that one
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: or an old comp with linux on it.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shameful Dugrant nods at Grizzler.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Power consumption is a little more, so it's not as easy on the monthly power bill.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: take out everything you don't need and clock it down :)
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I used to have a linux box for that purpose... but I'm kind of lazy at the moment, and wanted an OTS product :)
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: I use the WRT54GL myself.  First thing I did was install DD-WRT on it.  Works great.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: But I don't do VPN with it, so I don't know how well that portion of the software is.  I think the linux box would be a more elegant way to go.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: You could even program the linux box to email you whenever the ISP reset the IP so you could track it.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I was actually thinking about getting a static IP... would make my life easier
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Don't know that you'll get that functionality from any existing Firmware for the router.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: If you're getting a static IP then it's a non issue.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Even clocked down, a full computer is going to draw more power than a router.  It's all on how elegant you want the solution to be.  The router will be less elegant, but probably work.  The linux box will give you tons of functionality, but tend to draw more power. The WRT54G draws a max wattage of 5W.  Hard to get a computer together that'll run on 5W.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I didn't say you could.  I've always used them for more than a router box could ever do though.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Indeed, however I'm pitching things from all sides here.  If all he wants is a router with VPN, a linux box is overkill.  If he's doing more, then it's a better idea.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: well, I need to make some changes
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: There are a ton of under $200 dollar routers with VPN
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: my current modem is causing issues, in that is it not properly forwarding
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: so I would need to turn the modem into a bridge, and put a new router behind it
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: A lot of small devices have memory problems with nat.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You reboot them and everything is "great".
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: it's a common problem apparently with qwest's new standard modem
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Ewww, qwest modem
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pleiades nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: p2p apps kill them quick.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: You might want to consider an after-market modem if they'll allow it in your area.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: WHS gets redirected to the setup page of the modem :)
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: qwest's modems make AT&T's look good... and AT&T's modems suck.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: well, it's either qwest or comcast here
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: They like to rent $30 devices for $7 a month.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: so I chose what I consider to be the lesser of two evils
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: See if they'll let you use your own modem, and don't talk to sales, actually go after a tech support guy.  Often it's an easy thing to swap out theirs for something that actually works.  But I don't know how tight fisted Qwest is anymore.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: it's hard to find the good support people though
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: They want you to use their device because technically it gives them access to your network, legally.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Indeed. 
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: when I talked to them last week, they wanted to configure my browser when I told them there were issues with port forwarding
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Ah, scripters.  Love those.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I sometimes tell them to stop reading their script :)
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Grizzler screams GOD NO YOU CAN'T TOUCH MY COMPUTER!
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: "Your modem is blocking port 104 for absolutely no reason, how do I open it up?"  "Have you rebooted your computer?"  "Head-desk"
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It's nice to have the problem nailed down when you call them.  Then, you just be cool with the tech support person so they'll listen to you and get it fixed.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Unless they're like PC support where I work.  Often they come to me so I can tell them how they're supposed to fix something.  Everything they do is written down as SOPs, and if they hit something that doesn't have an SOP they don't know what to do.  Makes me cry myself to sleep some nights.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: But they are cheaper to warm the chairs with...
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: "It says to hit OK in the SOP, but there is no OK button, just finish and back!  What do it do!"
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: "It says to hit OK in the SOP, but there is no OK button, just finish and back!  What do it do!"
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: gak!
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lazy Shark Morinon looks at Shameful Dugrant and goes "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Kills the soul.  These are the people who are supposed to know about computers.  I had to explain to one of them, in depth, that linux and windows were different, and that linux does not have a start menu.  *Cry*
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: anyway, the cold medicine is starting to kick in.  To answer the original question: There are lots of options.  Research is your friend, and when in doubt get an IT guru friend over and hand him/her a beer.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Most places changed the idea of tech support staff to scripts to save money.  It's not complicated.  I think they failed in the long run on saving that money.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: They're saving plenty of money, cause I'm doing their jobs.  I should just stop giving good advice and see what happens.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You wouldn't be a team player anymore lol.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You'll be really happy watching one of these people you are helping ascend in to management.  *ducks*
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: question: does anybody here have a preference for what program they use to do sound propagation and ray scattering models?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I rang up once to tell them their was a problem with the router in the block. They thanked me by sending a mechanic during workhours who was kind enough to leave a bill :p
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: with the router in our street
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I even went into the conversation they're not gonna misinterpret me! I'm going to explain this 3 times, and explicitly tell her I do not want a mechanic
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But it was in vain :p
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iron Duck Chuft Tech: so, anyone ever get old dos games like master of orion working on linux?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: dosbox
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iron Duck Chuft Tech: dosbox comes for linux?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iron Duck Chuft Tech: k, just vaguely curious
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: whats the symbol for setting font color for echo in zmud? #ECHO
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: you mean #say %ansi()
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: #echo works as well. someone was explaining to me the other day the diff btw #echo and #say
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: got to do with one may/will set off your script trigger
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: has nothing to do with color though
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gladavar Tech: #echo won't fire triggers #say will
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: ahh yes there. thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Masscle Tech: if i do a chain of commands in alias, is there anyway i can break the chain of command like flee from mob?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: quit and reconnect
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: the spellup plugin does not support skills?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: the spellup plugin does not support skills?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: be more specific
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: sorry about that
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: the spellup plugin can't start skills again that are buffs? 
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: hide and sneak are skills
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: which client, which spellup script?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: mushclient and the spellup plugin by Nick Gammons
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the old one?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use Bast's instead
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: ok, where do I find Bast's spellup plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: any ideas please? where do I find Bast's spellup plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: on bast's site
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: finger bast
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: what is the URL of Bast's site?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: finger Bast, it tells you.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: bast.com
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read help finger
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: on mushclient if my input text is unviewable how do i change it?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: be more specific than "unviewable"
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: well, i can't see what i type
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are you blind?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why can't you see it?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: i tried resizing the output view
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: there is no input bar...
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: have you resized the input bar so that it's too small?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: but when i type and push enter it still works
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: perhaps by accidnet
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: can you re-resize it?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: how do i resize it again if thats the case?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: oop, got it
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: hover over it, till you get the resize icon
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: lol, ty
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: was that the problem?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sounds like
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ogremeister Tech: it was dragged to short
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: with bast spellup plugin, how do I add a skill buff to the list?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: how about the same way you add any other spell?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: how?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish coughs loudly.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: spellup + hide
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: How would I go about (in tf) getting a return value from a shell script?  I can get the value to output with /quote -S /_echo !<cmd>, but I'm not sure how to stick it in a variable, or if it's even possible.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: or example
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: weren't you using Nick's spellup plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: its exactly the same syntax
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: thanks, the problem now is, the plugin does not recast the buffs once they expired
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I doubt it
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: put a %c at then end of both your prompts and turn off promptflags
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and before you ask, type "config" and then help prompt
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish smirks.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Bast maybe I should remove the vvarious plugins that Gammon's spellup plugin used?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: who does it show as the author in File->Plugins?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Bast: Nick Gammon/Bast/Fiend
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ok, then it loaded, so don't worry about the other plugins, do you see any requested spells in the miniwindow?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Bast now your spellups plugin worked
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: yes, it had requested spells
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Thanks Bast! It worked now!
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: just make sure you have a %c at the end of both prompts and promptflags are off, otherwise, it will work sporadically
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: np
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Bast I typed config, but it didn't show promptflags
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: just type "promptflags" until it says they are off
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Bast I did that and I got the message: You will no longer see Quiet/Afk/Noexp warnings in your prompt. So I turned them off?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: and how do I add %c at the start and end of my prompt?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: from now on, I will only answer questions that can be answered with "yes", "no", "maybe", or "it depends"
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: type "config" and then help prompt
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Fiendish thanks for the good spellup plugin 
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: I like this game, this spellup plugin is really good
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you should thank bast for his awesome channel capture plugin too
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and I hear that metria has this really cool thing called the gmcp mapper. you should ask him about it
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: how do I ad %c at the start and end of the prompt?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just at the end
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: some help? how to I add %c at the end of both prompts? I don't even know what the second prompt is
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: BATTLEPROMPT
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the top 4 lines in the "help prompt" tell you how to set them, copy the prompt from "config" and add %c at the end
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: so I have [%h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %qqt %Xtnl] >   I should make it [%h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %qqt %Xtnl] >%c ?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that is correct and do the same thing for your bprompt
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: I did that, but the %c doesn't show at my prompt.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it doesn't show. it just adds a line break
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: as spelled out in help prompt
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Fiendish: I see. Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes: "No Problem!"
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Bast: thanks too.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: np
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Bast: I downloaded the zip file with the plugins, what the other plugins do?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read the website
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: every plugin has a wiki page at my website, concentrate on the ones that don't have broadcast in them
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: with spellup all does it add all spell buffs and skill buffs to the list?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: almost
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: ok
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it won't add skills afaik
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: ok now I have 4 spellups affecting me and 9 requested and 5 pending, but they are not cast on their own
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: is there a command I must run?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: spellup pause, spellup resume
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Thanks! 
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: it gets stuck sometimes
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: that's why i have those commands macroed
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mine never does
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: sometimes it doesn't catch that I now have mana, or that I woke up
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: but no big deal, I just have to press 2 buttons to fix it
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it says the auction tax is reduced by 1% per tier
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: what's a good place for posting code?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: pastebin
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: that's the one I was looking for thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: getting an error installing bast's spellup script ( http://pastebin.com/fjjNzkia ) could anyone help out?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: did you download the trunk version of the spellup plugin and install it into v5?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you use the trunk version (which is the development version), you have to use the trunk of all my plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that includes everything in the lua directory also
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: I'll try thatthanks
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: anyone know why when i try to connect through Cmud i get an "Error reading from server (10038)" after it connects
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: Worked find this morning before work
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What has changed since then?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ntohing
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: _h
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i went to work, was online, came home and have an error now.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did you reboot?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: only after i discovered the problem
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: how are you connecting? IP or by DNS?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: but i get "connected to host aardmud.org" and the Aardwolf login ascii, then it gives the erorr
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: uhh through a home wireless router.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: ohh.. i dunno then
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: only get the error with cmud though...
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: How do I make mushclient make a beep sound, non-mud-side?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: Like, a trigger to beep when double happens, and stuff like that.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gladavar Tech: open the session offline, open the script debugger, type 
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: if you establish a connection, you're connectivity is ok, so it must be some setting with cmud
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: setup trigger, assign sound file to it
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gladavar Tech: #con on the command line and see if the script debugger gives any clues.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: blame it on the cats
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i dtech i disabled triggers and it connected.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so I'm thinking something must have gone weird in there.  I'll comb through it in a litlte while to figure it out
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: right now i don't feel like living
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: hah mis
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: Anyone know how I can make the ascii map on the aardmush move closer to the top where it says the room name?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Walk north :D
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: lol :P theres a good bit of space there. its just a huge inconvenience...soo many windows.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Are you talking about reducing the size of the title bar for the ascii map window?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: it doesnt change. i want to make it so where it says my position...i want that to move closer to where it says the room name
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: i guess that could work, too
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: i resized it 7 rooms x 7 rooms and it seems to have removed the gap
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: how did you do that?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I just logged in like normal :p
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: bottom right is a little triangle. click/drag it to desired sizer
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: right but the map size moves, but the rooms dont.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Shift mousewheel over the map?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: you talking about the minimap or gmcp mapper?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: hmmm im on a laptop and i dont have a mouse wheel :(
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: the minimap. the one i cant click on to move places.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: yeah i just resized it to 3 rooms either side of me and 3 n/s of me and it dont have a gap between title bar and map anymore
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: you just dragged it to resize it?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}D ShiZniT Cochimetl Tech: What is a magnet link?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_URI_scheme
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: the gap is only in a few places where there arent many rooms north. basically what im trying to do is make it so when the map follows my position, it put it like a few centimeters up, so that its centered
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: because right now the pink # is more down, than up...and it throws my whole map off.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Adult Fiendfinder Tech: can i get mccp mobile?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Adult Fiendfinder Tech: anyone know?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Not sure what you're asking.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i switched off at mobile tbh
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Adult Fiendfinder Tech: lol can i get mccp mobile
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tutal Tech: he wants to know if there's a client for phone that supports MCCP.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Oh. No idea, sorry.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Adult Fiendfinder Tech: ok well thanks anyway
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: blowtorch on android
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Adult Fiendfinder Tech: ok cool ill look into it
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Adult Fiendfinder Tech: ok one more question anyone know why i would keep getting instalation error?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: that i cant help with. works for me. using  it right now.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Adult Fiendfinder Tech: hmm ok ill just restart phone and check on the mud
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: hmm my mushclient has double currently on at 9m
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Reinstall the scripts.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Can anyone refresh my memory on how to change proxy settings in firefox?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'll follow IE's settings
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: internet options control panel
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Network tab, settings button
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Hmm. I actually found it, it ended up being in a different place.. Thanks though.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm using the Ubuntu package of it, they may have "helpfully modified" the menus
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: How on a linux system would i check if a process is already running? IE if tintin is already running, do nothing, if it's not start it.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ps
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: try ps -eaf | grep tt
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: pgrep if you are in script and interested only in the yes/no answer
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: iirc, tintin's binary is tt++
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger nods at Gonf.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Can of Pringle Tech: Oh marvelous. I just love keyboards that don't have easy-to-remove-and-reattach keys.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: must be a laptop lover then :)
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Can of Pringle Tech: nah I'm using the Logitech Illuminated Keyboard
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Is that the 310?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Can of Pringle Tech: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/4740
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Can of Pringle Tech: my A key got something stuck under it so I removed it and now it's being a bitch to get back on. I can hit the little pressure sensor to type but it's a lot harder
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, not seeing how i would use ps or pgrep to check if it's running or not. I thought "echo `pgrep -f tt++`" would return 0 or 1, but it returns a whole string of numbers.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Can of Pringle Tech: oh THAT'S better. I managed to get the scissor-legged part properly attached and then the key itself detached from the scissor legs, now I have to take the legs off, reattach them to the key, and start over.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Wax on...
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Give PastamanT your key (snicker)
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, i know my computer has an integrated mic (which doesn't work out of the box) but lspci | grep -i Micro shows nothing of significance, any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Can of Pringle Tech: victory!
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Can of Pringle Tech: the a key is all better now
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Can of Pringle Tech: nope, spoke too soon
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: board
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: me too :)
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: me too :)
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Doh :p
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: anyone know where i can find a bag of like 20 led lights?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The Shack? (Ugh)
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: the shack only has mostly 5mm Leds in 1-2 per bag
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: kjell & company
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How about that online part place that had that giveaway.. ummm..
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: What area to you live in?
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: do you live, even
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: so.cal.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: well, no idea then, look online for supply houses near you
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i checked my first site i thought about newegg but nope ... i might just bite the bullet and check frys -.-
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: sparkfun.com, that's the one I was thinking of
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Woo, SparkFun!!!
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: http://www.sparkfun.com/categories/89
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Try SuperBightLeds.com  I get mine theer alot
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: SuperBrightLeds.com even
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: ty
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Even Mcmastercarr
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Loremaster Ramuthalus sighs.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Now I want to build an air launcher
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: {spellheaders affected noprompt}  must it stay on?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: it keeps showing after i kill a mob
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: spam
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: you have to many plugins :p
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: lol nope just spellup, disarm and autohunt
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: reinstall your spellup app then, dunno why you need one, aards works fine :)
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: spam
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: Timer function "display_timer" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how do i stop it
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: close mush
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: SPAM!!!!!
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Yes you are
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: or see what plugin is calling it
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: now my spellup dont work
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Cause you broke it
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how? typing tags off?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Thats one way to do it
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how do i fix it
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: turn tags back on
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i did
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: wheres bast when you need him :(
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: undo whatever you did and it will work again
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i just typed tags off
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: really?  thats all you did?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: then it started spamming me
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so do tags on
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i did
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: reinstall the plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: or close and restart mush
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: not working
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I doubt you reinstalled and restarted in 5 seconds...
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: restart too
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: it did 4 and stopped :(
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: wheres bast?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Hiding from you...
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: stfu
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: my prompts are still right
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: i reinstalled aard and it still dont work
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: How did you do that while still on the mud
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: no i went off. deleted it and installed it again
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Aardwolf says you've been on the whole time, strange...
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: that cross in the topp right corner
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: my spellup isnt working
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: ???
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: fine ill wait for an imm
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Use aardwolf's untill bast comes on
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: Timer function "display_timer" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: cant anyone here help? this is the tech channel right?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: umm.. no?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You must be confused about something. This is not the tech channel. This is gossip channel.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: GhostSoul snores loudly.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: what time does bast usually play aard?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: what must game prompt and battle prompt be?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Anyone know the code used to make the hp/mp/mv window in the aardclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: great now my map doesnt work
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: 1mil gold to whoever helps me get my map and spellup working
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: which tags MUST be on? could anyone please let me know
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: a bit OT, but in Itunes, is there a way to play FLAC files or do I need to convert to Apple lossless first?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: anyone know when bast will play?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quiet Nuala Tech: any way to watch the superbowl online?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: finally i got the stupid spellup to work... dam that was hard
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i wish i could find the creators of Glassfish and kick them in the crotch
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: so bloated, memory intensive, slow, unreliable
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you didn't know it was open source you'd claim it was by Microsoft
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: anyone else having trouble with pandoras jar?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruinor Tech: any one here know how to change which windows are on top of which in the aard mush client?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: not sure if you can, that annoyed me alot
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: yeah, i haven't found a way
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Hello! How do I refresh the inventory plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: iirc it should refresh itself periodically
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: I see. Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: iirc?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if I recall correctly
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: I see. Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Is there anyone online who knows what kind of code went into making the heath window for the aardclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: lua
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkiba Tech: theres an aardclient?!
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lua
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Is Lua hard to modify or add to?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's an aardwolf custom package of mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what do you want to add to it, ramuthalus?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Darkiba yes, and there are some wonderful plugins for it
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Darkiba yes, and there are some wonderful plugins for aardwolf
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: A bar for group memeber/group leader
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there is a group monitor plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Where can that be found?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not yet officially released, but you can get it in the latest development snapshot of the client package
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/list
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Thank you
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: np
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I can overwrite the current client without loosing my setting right?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sort of
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Lol
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: save the two .db files Aardwolf.db and Aardwolf_bookmarks.db
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and save your state folder in worlds/plugins/state
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and save your world file Aardwolf.mcl in worlds if you have any custom defined aliases or triggers
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: all of this should be detailed in either the announcement about or the web page for the next official release
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: hmm, theres no way to install just the plugin I suppose?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes, but you should also get the new updates to other stuff
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: imo
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can navigate to the plugins folder and just get the .xml files of the plugins you want to update/get
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I have custom keypad settings, macros and trigger, but no files in the world folder?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you don't care about other new features, bug fixes, and improvements, then go ahead and just find the group monitor plugin file
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: It's a little bit of a hassle if you have a heavily customized MUSH to upgrade, but it's the best option.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: custom macros and stuff are saved in your world file
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and then add my v5 plugins to it
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: indeed
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you like them, anyway
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: don't install anything you don't like
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: the spellup plugin by Bast/Fiendish/Gammon is pretty good
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mostly by bast
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: PS, what's the status on the miniwin version of spellup?  I'm really looking forward to that one.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: save for those ones that say Fiendish in the file name right? lol
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I meant that the spellup is mostly by bast
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: mine? v6 should be released this weekend, just have to work on one more plugin to add to it
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Yes yours Bast.  I tried, unsuccessfully, to add the partial.. but I guess I did something wrong.  Sounds good though!  Thanks for the update
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Thats alot of plugins bast, I'll have to be conservative tho, else I'll end up like ghostsoul :p
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: Ramuthalus: I suggest you to download the custom mush aardwolf client and then add the spellup miniwindow plug in, perhaps the big map plug in too
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lywryn Tech: oh no you didn't!
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh yeah. the bigmap. I keep meaning to merge that into the gmcp mapper for continent movement.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I already use the aardclient
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Whats included in this Bastmush package?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read the website
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Much easier to go to the site and read about it.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I'm on the site? Or am I on the wrong site?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you see a link for "wiki"?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A piece of Sakata Tech: whats the command to see what room # your in?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you don't without inspecting gmcp data
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A piece of Sakata Tech: Aardwolf wize?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Thanks again
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I don't believe there's a command lest you code your own from GMCP data.  However if you're using the GMCP mapper, you can hover your mouse over your current room and see
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: with the aardwolf client package, you can type "gmcpdebug 1" to see gmcp data and then look
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A piece of Sakata Tech: so when putting in my upgrade the room number on mapper would be correct?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: use rstat if it is your manor
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: meh, i just editted the mapper lua file to include the id
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you what?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: on my copy
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah yeah. after that part.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Explain?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: @what sakata was asking about, to see room id
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean a command to report it?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea, i just put it into the mapper file to always display
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it won't work in unmappable rooms, so it's not that great for upgrades
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: always display where?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: next to roomname
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ah. using the room name tag?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no, on the gmcp mapper, just concat it with the room name on top
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh that room name
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Hmm, I like that idea.  I'll have to do that myself
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's useful for some mazes like helegear etc
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hm
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'm not opposed to that idea
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I agree.  I had to rely on hovering the mouse, which obviously takes more time.  lol
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: post an enhancement request for that
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Aardwolf-side?  Or is there a code site for it?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/issues/list
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: only one of you please
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't need duplicate requests
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i can paste mine in, it's probably not optimised :p
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no need for that. just a note about the idea
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I'll post a request.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sure, you do it then
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Posted
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: btw, does the mapper find algorithm still search outwards from your current room, or outwards from target room?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the new search goes from the target room backwards
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: Looking for a recommendation on a video converter that can convert 3GP files to MP3 or avi.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which is why it can now search through handheld portals
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: off
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's probably more efficient this way too
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Hmm, I'm pretty sure I didn't install any of these plugins correctly
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lulz
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I know, right...
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Let me start over, Lol
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok, how do I see which Ver of Aardmush is installed?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: THAT's complicated
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Seriously?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you have a file called AardwolfClientChanges.txt?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or something like that
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: AardwolfPackageChanges.txt
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: No?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are you sure?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: In the main dir?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Liscence, names, readme, tips
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Are you certain you have the Aardwolf package and not just from mushclient.com?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: It unzips into a folder Aardwolf-Mud-Mushclient, so I asume so
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: where did you download that from?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: aardwolf.org
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then you have the first official release
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Blarg...
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I don't have it in the one I have from early December, not sure when you put the changes file into the package
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I put it in around...hold on...
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: So V5 is on the plugin page?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: v5 is bast, not Aardmush
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: December 27
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: at r261
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Wow, I can build a computer but I can't figure out a plugin... sad
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Understanding hardware ~= understanding software.  lol
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Meh
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok, If I want to use some of basts plugins with aardmush, which version is the most up to date?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which version of what?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: finger bast
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use the latest aardmush, then put bast's folder inside aardmush's plugins folder
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Right now?  v5.  However, he also stated he's probably putting out v6 this weekend.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast doesn't package a mush anymore, just a folder of plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: So I put his bastmush folder in plugins and turn in whichever ones I want to use?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: And the client from aardwolf.org will work for those?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: erm
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use this instead. http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/files/MUSHclient.zip
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Thats the basic Mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and be sure to keep your old Aardwolf.db and Aardwolf_bookmarks.db files
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok, Thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: And your Aardwolf.mcl file if you have custom triggers, etc
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and your worlds\plugins\state folder if you don't want to set fonts and stuff again on all the plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok, I guess I had conflicts with the aardmush and bastmush then, Let me try again, lol
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok, I installed the new client so I have a group info window now, now I just put the bast files into the plugin folder, correct?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: drop the v5 folder into worlds/plugins and then load the plugins you want to use
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Venomangel waves a large bright yellow sign reading "It's coming in v7 !!"
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: I have no equipment but the inventory plugin shows the equipment I had in the past. Can I refresh the mini window?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Theres alot of errors when I try to install these plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Hmm, what kinds of errors?  Missing plugin errors?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: let me see if I can get a message for it
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok, I tried to load the disarm plugin and it says Aardwolf_weaponswitch is already loaded
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ok, so it loaded, what was the error?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Run-time error
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: copy/paste it to pastebin.com
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Its up, altho I get funny messages when I try to send you a tell, Lol
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ramuaard
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: can't look at it without the url
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: http://pastebin.com/PbMmu66P
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ahh, the miniwin_example plugin, don't load it, it doesn't do anything
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I also have a stats window from the client and the plugin, but I can't remove the original window
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you have to disable the plugin first before removing it
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or just reload mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess that's a bug
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the difference between the two is that my stats window will also do stats about CPs/Quests/GQs in tabs
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: the other plugins like auto hunt, or disarm, miniwin cp and such are automatic for the most part?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: for the most part, yes
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I guess the last question is, how do I open the plugins help windows for things like the spellup plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Many of them have help commands, such as "spellup help".  The command governing each is sometimes tricky though
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Its mostly this spellup plugin i'm looking for the commands for
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: spellup help
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Hmm, I type spellup fast and it says doing fast spellup, but no spells are being cast
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: add spells first
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I did, 36 spells in list, 6 pending
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: make sure you're standing and have mana
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I am standing and at full mana
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Doing fast cast of 15 pending spellup(s). is followed by no casting :(
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: It worked the first time tho
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I restarted the client and now they are all casting, wierd
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: It thinks you're still out of mana, most likely.  I usually type 'who;q' to fix it.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Anything that resets your status.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: That didn't help
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: the window does say requested 36 pending 16, is that normal?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Are you out of mana?  Try a "spellup pause" then "spellup resume" to get it kicking again
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: sometimes spellup hangs for me also -- I think that there is a race condition somewhere -- normally I do " spellup"
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Do you have spellup tags on?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok, that got the spells to cast
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: once the spell that it's waiting for is cast, it all passes
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: so if a spell runs out and I type spellup it will recast whatever is pending?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: " spellup" uses the in-game spellup command.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: But it may kickstart your plugin, who knows.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: The plugin should automatically cast your spells upon fail
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You should never have to type anything, Ramuthalus.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I see
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slist Affected Tech: In your plugins, spellin' you up.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: so when one runs out it should recast automaticlly?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: But occasionally it gets hung up.  I simply aliased the pause and resume commands
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Yes, it should
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: if it doesn't do this almost all of the time, then there is a problem -- it generally work perfectly
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Looks like its working now
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Thanks again, I appreicate you putting up with me for this :)
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I find that most the time it hangs it'll get hung up if you run out of mana and it stops or sometimes after you wake up
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok, last question, what are the invmon tags from?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: why do i get this when enabling certain plugins (miniwin) C:\Games\MUSHclient\worlds\plugins\v5\lua\findfile.lua:6: File specification could not be matched
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: They're from the mud, Ramuthalus.  You can type invmon to toggle them on/off
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: how do I use the planesmob plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: plookup <mobname>
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: thanks, very handy
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what all is it supposed to do, assuming there's more than the obvious?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: iirc it just tells which plane your qmob is in
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: why do i get this when enabling certain plugins (miniwin) C:\Games\MUSHclient\worlds\plugins\v5\lua\findfile.lua:6: File specification could not be matched
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ask bast
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I hear he really likes it when people send him tells
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: odd, i heard that also
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I wonder why he made that plugin that automaticlly makes 'tell bast' fail :p
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: perhaps he has a low opinion of his own plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: good question, I am guessing the path for the plugin folder is mangled somewhere
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: note personal is better, he hasn't noticed that one yet.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I have a horrible opinion of my own plugins, I hatez them!!! I do!!!
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Time for a new plugin :p paper_shredder_bast
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: GhostSoul slaps Loremaster Ramuthalus.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I asume that if I go afk for a little while that I should pause the sellup plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: don't have to
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, spelling up is ok while afk
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: as long as you don't type "afk" and just sit somewhere
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: when AFK, you simply cannot be in situations where you gain xp, gold/tp/qp, or items.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: or spellup other people with triggers
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I wonder what'd happen if we just randomly shuffled junk around on each other?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you go afk, don't type afk...can't keep your spells up while flagged afk because cast doesn't work ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: anyone have a preferred windows video editing platform? premiere? pinnacle?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: real men use vim for that
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: iMovie!
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: sony vegas was my old boss's app of choice
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Riddim snickers with Seltsimees Dagnir about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: howd you hear about it then dag?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Ouch.. vim
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: avidemux + mencoder work pretty well on linux, I don't see why they would not work on windows. Steep learning curve, though.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i guess emacs os has video editing by now, too
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: only for asciimation
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shadowlady Tech: What is that you need to add to your prompt so that mushclient behaves correctly?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: %c at the end
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shadowlady Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've just switched to running MUSHclient in windows instead of Linux, anyone know why it doesn't maximize properly? The window is shifted down slightly and the status bar isn't visible
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: are you a linux expert?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I know quite a bit about some stuff, depends...
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but do you know a lot about linux?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Didn't he say he is running it in Windows?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yep, quite a bit as long as it's not security or printer related
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just switched to running under windows from linux, mushclient doesn't play well with the nvidia binary drivers
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shadowlady Tech: on linux you mean?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: sounds buggered
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use a different version of WINE
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shadowlady Tech: I was forced to stop upgrading wine to make it work for me
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yep, with the nvidia drivers installed (tried on ubuntu and slackware) it uses 100 percent cpu and lags badly
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol, he's using Windows....
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I uave to use WINE 1.0, because later versions aren't compatible with new intel binaries
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: uninstall/manually wipe remaining files & registry settings
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shadowlady Tech: same here
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shadowlady Tech: He is switching to windows due to his problem in linux
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you've got funky display settings or themes, turn em off
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Unfortunate :)
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shadowlady Tech: if his problem in linux was solved, he might go back
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you could always change your client
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'm zero help with Windows programs on linux.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Well, just switching for running mushclient, I'll not abandon linux for anything else :)
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: people don't want to change what they're used to. Shock horror, call the papers
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Lytebane, mind trying a few things?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'll give it a try
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try deleteing the MUSHclient.ini file
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you need to close mushclient first
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'm not looking forward to 2015 for that reason
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: eh?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because you'll be used to 2014 by then?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it'll be roughly the time for my next hardware upgrade, which means i'll be forced to upgrade my os
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and i don't want to, they all suck
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: by 2015, linux will actually be good
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: instead of being not bad
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nonsense, people have been saying that for 15 years
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Nonsense, we're all going to die in 2012 when the world ends.  Forget about your hardware.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I can't even use windows anymore.  It's been too long.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: likewise i can't use linux, they're all clunky and unhelpful
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ditto vista and 7
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: windows 7 is quite nice. just ugly.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's clunky
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: No change, still loses about half the title-bar height at the top and most of the status bar at the bottom
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you closed mushclient and deleted the mushclient.ini file?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol, Linux isn't supposed to be like Windows :)
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well you're wrong, it's exactly like windows
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: except not
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: at least gnome isn't
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: tiger, you're are nuts
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yep, several times (for some reason the spellup script kept erroring out until I logged off properly)
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hm
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and even worse, some of the linux variants are mac
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: tiger, lifetime Windows user?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: used xp, 98, and 95 before it, but was a dos user before that, and a geos user before that
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: can't stand vista, or 7, or any of the linux builds, or mobile phones, or just about anything these days
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: yeah, that's a windows user
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: would rather not bother
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GentooX Tech: you can't teach old dogs new tricks
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: windows represents less than half of my computing life, so no, i'm not
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: only if they want to learn
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GentooX Tech: bizarre you have a computing life and don't like linux? bizarre...
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'm an old dog.  Been through DOS, win 3.x, 95, 98, xp..., os/2, novell, over 15 years of Linux, etc.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you think that to be a computer geek you must worship linux, then you're pretty short sighted
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Looks like I've inadvertantly started an operating system holy war *grin* oops
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GentooX Tech: who said to worship it? i only mention like...
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'm just pokin' ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: there is no war, only choices
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: not tha old if you missed CP/M, Dos 1.0
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I came from the "It starts up with BASIC" side lol
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: me too, at college we had a pc that noone was allowed to touch as it was so expensive, booted straight to basic and had one floppy, no hard drive
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: cassete tapes were my first storage medium.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: was talking with a friend last night about how there haven't been any challenging games released in 15 years
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: once upon a time, completing a game was a massive achievement, now it's a matter of days, or even hours, at best
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Got round the maximize thing, by cheating :) Simply un-maximize and resize the window to use the whole screen, not quite a fix but it'll do
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: cassette tapes protocol was badly designed -- infected the dialup modem handshaking protocol -- slow as molasses
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I didn't use modems until my first floppy drive.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: in the early 1980s, modems were 300 baud
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: as was my first :)
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol, when I get a vorpal I think I lost my connection sometimes.
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Are there any decent MUD clients for OSX?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baron Sengir Tech: I use tintin++ on OS X
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Guess I'll give that a try. Thanks. :)
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I can't wait to start using screen with tt++ on my widescreen monitor :D
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baron Sengir Tech: you should also be able to run MUSH or zMud through wine... and there is a graphical client for unix based systems, I think its Mudlet
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: sengir Do you use screen too?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I have trouble remember less important stuff when I work in a field where I'm constantly having to read and learn to continue my profession
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm pretty messed up, i'll correct that as soon as I rememer what I was wanting to say
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: in mushclient when setting triggers, what character strings would you use for the variable, where tintin used %0?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: You can't directly from a trigger
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: so if i wanted an auto door opener, i have to use verbatim?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: You can send it to a script then use function func_name(name, line, wildcards) where line is the entire match
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: so how does the copy wildcard dropdown work in the triggers section?
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Honestly i don't know
T3/r2/2011-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger . o O ( sorry for delay, reading notes )
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: On the Mushclient Spellup what does Pending mean
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: hmm
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: im having trouble giving this to him he asked me for it (Goal Verume) You give tabaxi fur to A lizardman high priest.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: anyone here using screen?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I'm definitely using a screen to mud, yes.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: screen, not a screen :/
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'm using 2 screens :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: hmmm, I use sunblock
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: i use screen
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I was looking for a way to remove the last line (cursor) when outputting a file in a split.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you can remove the last last line, but I don't know if it can be done "on demand"
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: So that the split doesn't have to be lines+1 to fit.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I think it's a config option to remove the last line, but then it has to be done when screen starts
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: note to wouldbe malware/virus writers - if you're going to try and put a fake window on my pc to infect me with a virus, at least be intelligent enough to enumerate the style settings of the client pc first..... it's a bit obvious when on an xp machine in classic view to get a window whose icons are from windows 7....
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: haha
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: hahahaha
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i had one of those
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: there's one thanks to a bug in java
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what was the command for zmud/cmud speedtest?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: What was the default font under the old mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: fixedsys 9
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Fixsys
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Thanks!!!  You stare at the screen so longtech I just installed the new version of Aard Mush, but I have two mappers windows loaded.  One is displaying correctly and the other is blank except for some text and says Mapper Version 2.5.  But the mapper isn't work it says it doesn't know where I am.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: haha ooops ignore everything before the first tech there.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you moved rooms?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: move around and see if it still does not know where you are?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: No I haven't, but just did one of them is updating the other isn't.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: proto
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: err type proto, then proto gmcp
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: And the one that is updating is working fine, but when I type mapper find room it says "I don't know where you are right now - try: LOOK"
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right, the automap is updating, the gmcp mapper isn't
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: But I can click on the one that is working and it moves me.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you type proto, is there a YES next to GMCP?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and when you type proto gmcp, is there an ON next to Room?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: err ON for both of those
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: It says Yes when I type proto.  It's not a minimap that is showing it looks like it's the old version of the mapper.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: yes next to GMCP that is.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, so you have two versions of the gmcp mapper loaded?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: the other one is probably the mini map
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's what I already said, az, he says it isn't
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: ah
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Hmm I think it figured it out, one of them was Nick's NTCP mapper or something like that.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ATCP
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: GMCP protocol is also known as ATCP2
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ATCP was disabled on Aard when GMCP was implemented
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Thanks for the help guys!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ok last question for a bit I hope, I fixed this last time, but don't remember how.  When I maximize the Aard Mush window it doesn't take up the whole screen, some space on top?  Any ideas on how to fix it?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: how can I move with the arrow keys with mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: how do you make triggers? MUSHclient
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: help menu -> getting started, or help menu -> contents
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: control-shift-8, click the Add button.  define a pattern and a response.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or game -> configure -> triggers and look around
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: start here http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=8086
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGrA-Q7uqC0
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: failed to launch help
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're using vista or windows 7, download help viewer from microsoft
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or www.mushclient.com has all of the helps on the website
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: windows 7
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: wow is that why all my helps are busted... im so nubbly
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: why would MS do that...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: microsoft stopped shipping the help viewer with vista/7
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's available for each as a separate download
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: silly
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they have a new help format for programs to use & of course have to try to force the issue
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: ah... but im sure its not much improved
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: and besides which, havent they heard of XSLT
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: chrome: the site you've requested is at an untrusted domain
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus chuckles politely.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: they took chrome:about and chrome:config away :(
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: so my user agent is no longer "a toy car with spinners"
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech Bloke Danj Tech: aww
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fachtna Tech: plugin question... new to these miniwindows.  quest tracker is supposed to create a miniwindow to show quest information.  Is this automatic?  It doesn't appear to be working.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: do you have the tabwindow installed
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fachtna Tech: probably not as I am unfamiliar with that term
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fachtna Tech: where do I find tabwindow?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: If you do not have the plugin working properly before you ask for a quest, then it will not pop the information up in a mini-window. (i.e. plugin error or not loaded before the quest began.)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Fachtna: Are you using Bast's Plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i believe its one of the support pluggins from bast
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which quest plugin are you using, fachtna?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fachtna Tech: got it from nick gammon's website.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast's current stuff is a single folder to go into your plugins folder, and when you enable one plugin that requires other of his stuff, it should auto-enable the dependencies
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The Quest Noter?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: anyone familiar with gmcp in cmud send me a tell please
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: mushclient has one for aardwolf, it comes with custom mush for aardwolf
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Took less than 30 seconds for the Mushclient comment.  It's like the MAC of the mud world.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: he's...using cmud though :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: grae, you can try saying what issue you're having, maybe even some of us can help
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Us unwashed non-cmud-using masses :D
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: for some reason since i joined this oc group i am getting spammed with a full echo of all the gmcp info
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what's the pattern on your trigger?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: group info is sent in gmcp since last reboot...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: shouldn't be a trigger with gmcp
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: when ungrouped or grouped alone i'm not getting that and it captures fine but right now me screen is being spammed
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: might want to turn off the group gmcp package for the moment
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: i did still no change
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: why does spellup plugin all of a sudden send a list of tags? its like 50 lines full
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: had to switch off gmcp completely
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ghostsoul, go to file -> plugins, click the spellup plugin, click reinstall
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thank you
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm weird...I could definitely see the OC group's group info hitting beyond a buffer limit (I had to recompile tf with bigger gmcp buffer when dexx was posting on wang :P)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: wang??
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there's no settable buffer limit afaik
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: possibly it borked it to where you'd need to quit/restart cmud after turning off group
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, there wouldn't be in a binary client
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: wrong channel
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: grae, ask androg to invite me so i can test that?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and you turned it off in the gmcp tab of the protocols prefs window, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's not enough i don't think
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you'd have to reconnect, resend core.something
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i forget how it works :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, that's what I was thinking
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ouch
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: seeing what i mean?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, did it hit you?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, it's definitely overloading something :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: ok good so not me
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a side affect of gmcp really being a horrible hack on the telnet protocol
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah, core.supports.set, that's it
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Like the preceding couple of hacks?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: gmcp has nothing to do with telnet.  It's data in json format.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we shouldn't be sending that much data in a control stream, it's simply not what it was for
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: grizzler, you're wrong there
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Nope
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a telnet subnegotiated option, using the telnet stream
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: json is just how the data is sorted
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: well its fine without group info on
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: wow, this is like watching an operation on tv
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: cept itd be nice to have the info eventually
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: json is like html...it tells how to organize the data into tables/variables...the information is being sent through telnet
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: yep, doesn't care about the transport at all
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but the transport cares about the transport
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, i was looking forward to using gmcp.group to monitor people's hp in epic runs/raids :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's where it's bad...it is using telnet's subnegotiation routines to send data that is supposed to be payload
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I thought the subnegotiation crap only took place at connect
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: json = good...gmcp = bad use of json
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: And the rest is just sent in-band, triggered upon, and gagged.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, every gmcp message is a telnet control code
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: afair it worked fine with small groups just gotta see at what point it overloads
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, it works fine with small groups...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: What is it "overloading"?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: some buffer which i don't have access to afaik, in cmud
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the telnet control code buffer, most likely
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: at some large size it is just echoing all gmcp data
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: So it isn't the protocol that is at fault, it's lazy client writers assuming a fixed buffer size
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: So it's a client programming problem.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no metria
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Yes.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's using the protocol in a manner that it's truly NOT SUPPOSED to be used
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the client programmer probably assumed that nothing nearly this big would ever be sent in gmcp...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: telnet is pretty much down to mud clients
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i wouldn't say he's at fault...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bastardizing telnet is the problem, not the buffer...the buffer is the symptom
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not at all, grizzler
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: network engineers use telnet all the time
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: insecure ones
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: the others use ssh 
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nah, it's plenty secure
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all depends on how/where you're using it
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You are smoking crack.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: the large chunks of OOB data shoulf only be an issue if telnet has throughput problems
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no sue
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you're using telnet to see if the httpd is up on some host, that's not at all insecure. And very useful.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: no problem if you don't care who sees the traffic, which should be the case in MUD traffic.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Arnica, not always
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Yeah, not really used for communications though.  Every single account here is probably intercepted and one rotten tomatoe could hack every login.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Some people would like to conceal what they're doing.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, the boss can see the traffic even in ssh ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: that's pretty damn paranoid
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Congratulations!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just to give you an idea...the raw json of the group gmcp (that is sent every second) in the oc run group is 3402 characters
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: networks instruments observer is a beautiful tool :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The boss just puts a keylogger on your workstation, he doesn't bother trying to decrypt your traffic
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: The amounts of data be transmitted are very trivial.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the issue isn't the amount of data being transmitted, the issue is where it's being transmitted
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: why?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because of how the telnet protocol was designed
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That would be an interesting chat, wouldn't it?  Boss: Uh, Metria, want to tell me why you type 'bs green' forty times in an hour, and why you keep typing "tech stfu noob"?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: just tell your boss no
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: so what is it about the telnet protocol that makes OOB data more problematic?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not OOB data
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's control sequences
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: yep, simple answer:  You know my address to send my final paycheck.  Goodbye.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we're just using it for data
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: therein lies the issue
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Uh, no. I have a mortgage to pay.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: on cmud with a channel capture is all
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: even if you had no captures at all, if you weren't using gmcp but had it on...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: fair enough, but a control sequence is just a byte with the MSB set, corrrect?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: nods it would still echo
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'll post on the cmud forums, see if we can get the buffer size increased :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, it's what the client is set to do on error...I was getting that with big channel messages before I cranked up the buffer
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but I think the buffer is still too low if eureka were to go on OC/inferno runs ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sue, basically the issue is that the telnet client is designed to let regular traffic just spew forth onto the screen not caring how much is in a particular block, since the client doesn't process the data at all (ignoring triggers for mud clients)...control data is meant to be interpreted and processed by the low-level bits, because that's how you change screen size, etc...that's the type of data that are designed to be transmitted there...client-talking-to-server, not person interacting with server
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but while I'll preach about the bastardization of the telnet protocol, it's pretty harmless in that, while grizzler was wrong that MUDs are the only (or even main) things using telnet, he would be correct to say that MUDs and MUD clients are the only things to be affected by GMCP
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: whoah
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it negotiates itself properly to be off unless the client says that it wants it, so no harm no foul for clients that don't understand
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You fluffle Grizzler mercilessly, making his fur a terrible mess.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: don't put words in my mouth, I said telnet was *pretty much*...  And no, network engineers DO NOT communicate to secure equipment over the net using telnet.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: heh, ok, i can agree with that
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, talk about not putting words in mouths...you added a few interesting changes to my statement
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: And all this boiled down to a fault in a particular clients implementation so far?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not just one client, and it's not a fault
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'm not having that issue.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: Grizzler I would clarify that in that intelligent network engineers do not. Telus used to have all its servers able to be telnet logged into, with a master passowrd.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Oh, I know places had telnet everywhere.  And if you have equipment that still relies on it, you have to tunnel if you half a brain.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and again you're confusing using telnet with logging into and controlling your equipment. telnet is used by everyone daily, directly or indirectly
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: ok......
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Are you mixing up telnet with TCP/IP??
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: He's mixing up a lot of stuff
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: that would be an epic mixup
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You pat Grizzler on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've already pointed out one, metria
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a good number of Internet protocols are built upon telnet...you think that your email is sent using TLS the whole way?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: omg
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah.... that'd be IP.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it wouldn't
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: i use telnet clients on a daily basis, but only cause they usually handle UART data too
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wrong layer, metria
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Connecting to a socket does not count as telnet
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're right, it doesn't
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: What layer is that abelinc?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: socket communications are quite the opposite
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hence being able to use binary socket or telnet to connect to hosts for things like SIP2 communications
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: shew it's gettin' deep
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, it has been over your head ever since you said that GMCP uses json and doesn't use telnet
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: EHLO grizzler.mud.confused
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It's json data smashed in to telnet.  It's not that super complicated abe
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, but that's not what you said...you said that it's not telnet
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: it's not
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then you truly don't have a clue what it is
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It's a telnet option Abeinc.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wow, if only someone had said that earlier...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh right, that's what I said while you were saying no it isn't
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm still hung up on the email via telnet thing you said, Abelinc.. Can you explain?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You certainly did not.  And sockets are the opposite of telnet?  wtf man
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: telnet is a protocol
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup herod
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: it mixes control data and user data in band
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: metria, telnetting into port 25 of other ISP's mail servers is an extremely handy diagnostic tool
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: end of discussion
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I didn't have time to follow the whole thing, but you can talk to snmp servers via netcat, which is tcp/udp layer. Telnet is one layer above that
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You didn't say that
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as that's exactly how they transmit the emails to each other
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You said that email was sent by telnet
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: follow the communication between mailservers some time...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Well that was fun.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: weeee
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: would've been more fun if you would have learned a bit, but we can't always get what we want }:>
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: i learned!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You cheer Boy Named Sue on and wish him good luck!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm off to crank up the xsock->subbuffer->len :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: you noob
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: stfu noob
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hey, I thought that was metria's line
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dispel Majic ducks defensively.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh right, THAT was it
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus chuckles politely.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm not at work today, so feel free to use it ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how many people in the OC group?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: 31
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so an eyeball estimate around 110 chars per groupmember
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the raw json was 3402
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nodnod, that's where I got the 110
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but that included the stuff at the start
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: wow your eyebal estimate off by 8 lol
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: now to go through logs seeing how big the groups were for inferno runs to figure out a reasonable buffer :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: advantages of a client that I can modify myself }:>
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: you use tinyfugue right?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You rapidly nod twice at A Piece Of Herodotus, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i was going to check it out
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gmcp patches are on my site, but it'd echo the group data to screen in groups that large until I make this change
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: it's fixed in the next reboot.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: btw.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: spammed bugs log like crazy with overflows :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fixed in what way? is the data being sent corrupted?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: truncated
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: unless this is some other bug.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: group gmcp is overloading cmud's buffer in large groups (31 in the oc run)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, so the closing json stuff wouldn've be sent
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: are you sure it's cmud that is the problem?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: with that info, we may be wrong in our assessment
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: the MUD is truncating it too...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: certainty is dangerous.... like hope
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: is it 'fixed' on test?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, testport corrected?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: kk
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: it isnt actually fixed yet at all.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: I was in the middle of working on it then got, err, distracted.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus raises an eyebrow.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul snickers softly.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: today is going to be a fun day, since I get to call Qwest DSL support :)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Damn double xp :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, i won't post to cmud's forums yet :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: gotta cut if off _somewhere_, 40 seems reasonable.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: 40... group members?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You snicker softly.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: "GMCP will only show the first X group members". X=40
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: drat.  was going to guess 'calling birds'
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: right now it's just truncating and crashing the handler in clients.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Is there an actual coded limit on how many people can group?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: anyone using the aard mush can just 'reload handler' to get it up btw.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: but if you're still in that group it will just die again.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/temp/big-mud-group.jpg
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: you don't need more than that dammit :)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: wow :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Holy jeebus. I would hope not.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you made the cap 50 then?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: let me take out the 'list everyone 28 times' hack and put this on test.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: could we get that hack on test though? :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i don't feel like making 50 alts to test it :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: I could do 10
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: k :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, was just looking in homedir to see if I had a file with my ./configure flags...wonder what the heck I was doing when this was made: -rw-------   1 aard  users   6003568 Jan  2 02:59 gdb.core
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: anybody know of anywhere online that i can find the sound speed profile at any long/lat combination?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wouldn't that be determined by atm pressure at the time?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: altitude would give the rough adjusted speed, so a contour map should do for that I guess
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: i'm looking for ocean sound speed profiles
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: forgot to say that
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: i dont know of a source for your info, but can i ask what you intend to use it for?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: i'm taking a marine bioacoustics class and i'm doing some ray propagation modeling
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: but we weren't provided with a sound speed profile, so we have to go find one
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: neat! (cept for the lack of info...)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: agreed :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: unless the density of the seawater is that inconsistent in different parts of teh world, I would still think that depth would be more important than lat/long
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: it depends on depth, chemical content, temperature, etc
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: Id guess that a profile would include those parameters that vary?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right, but chemical content & temp change, so a map/online site wouldn't likely be good
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: well, they usually would take measurements and post the profiles for a few different times of the year
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: maybe every couple months
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: who is they? private companies or government surveys?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh man, the pics on this page mess with my eyes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: government surveys
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: noaa
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd think noaa would have something
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Boy Named Sue seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: i looked around the noaa site a bit
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: i'll make another pass
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: i know the usgs has a HUGE repository of contour map data available online, but not via the web. noaa may be similar?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doubt they'll have an easy table of sound profile, but should have temp charts at the least, and possibly salinity charts
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: found them!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: ah, noaa...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: any tt people on?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: sure
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: about half of us are
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: type clients
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: ok.  Well, I decided to start playing with the gmcp channels.  It logs them fine, but cause the / recall command to be issued every time.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It's probably something simple to deal with the color codes ro something.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: post the code on tintin++ forums, and they will help you fix it
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: not easily with the layers...nevermind.  I'll find it eventually.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can test whether it's color-based by typing proto gmcp rawcolor
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'll switch between sending ANSI color codes in the GMCP data and sending the @codes
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I can see the color thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: on the test port you can see exactly what your client is sending to the MUD too.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's a feature of CMud, too, Razor
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: Cmud can tell you what it's sending to the MUD, it can't tell you what the MUD is seeing.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: in theory they're the same ... but ...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and neither helps someone on tt++ ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: grizzler, do you use tt's save features to save a main file, or code stuff into separate files using editor and load them with a metafile?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Already found the problem.  tt++ is letting the 
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm just thinking of ways that typos have bitten me occasionally in the past on tf
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: ; bleed on it's parse some how.  It was eating part of a following comment in the code.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Griz: look at my gcmp handler on my site, it already handles gmcp channels.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I have it ^^  See above.  I had put a comment in there.  tt was not reading properly after digesting the color codes.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It was literally eating /* (the beginning of a comment), issuing the recall command and saying unknown emote
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: cheezburger It'll probably do the same thing in your code if your try to put a comment in there.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, can't put /* */ style code inside an actions/event/alias/etc very well, you need to use #nop {this is a comment}
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Yeah, *nop tells you to use /* */ because it's safer lol
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Test *dice 2 6
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Dice) Tech: Venomangel rolls 2 dice with 6 sides each - total dice roll is 6.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Dice) Tech: Aduin rolls 2 dice with 6 sides each - total dice roll is 10.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: my campaign window is too far right to adjust, any ideas how i can regain control of this beast?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: How do I keep the Aardwolf Client from suppressing the printing of the map when I change rooms so that it shows up both in the map window and in the main window?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: explain your situation?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: why do you want to, just out of interest?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: When I'm trying to quickly navigate an area, it would be nice to see it on the same screen on which I'm looking for a mob
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: err
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sorry. that's unlikely to be a supported use case. are you willing to edit the plugin yourself?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: I guess. It's that big of an issue, but if I can do it without too much work, I'd like to.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Erm, it's -not- that big of an issue :p
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: where is that?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't have a map db atm
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: You can toggle it, if you don't mind having one or the other, not both
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: simply turn off the 'maps' tag
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: I guess I could do that, but I was trying to do it so that I'd have it in both places
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: change the omit_from_output from y to n on the triggers inside the plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: set an alias which sends "tag maps off
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: set an alias which sends "tag maps off:map:tag maps on:map"
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: with appropriate semi-colons 
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk at his saying.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it's the quickest answer to the problem, I think
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: For now that'll do, I guess. Thanks to everyone who responded. :)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: making an alias like that isn't quicker than changing a "y" to an "n" :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: otherwise, it should be a oneline edit -- flipping "omit-from-output" somewhere in the plugin to "n"
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: ah, someone already suggested that -- point is, my solution allows you to turn it on or off easily -- editing the plugin is a bit clunky
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, not clunkier than having the MUD send the map 3 times per room, and having to manually update it to send 2 of those maps by hand
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: personally, I'd make an alias that just toggles maptags on/off, because you can't look at two different places at the same time. You're either looking at the map or you aren't.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so if you want it in the map window, toggle tags on. otherwise, toggle them off.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that seems easy to manage and allows for both use cases
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: how do you reset your windows in mushclient, anyone know
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: be more specific
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: i moved my campaign window too far right and i cant move it anymore
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which version of mushclient? miniwindow or older?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: mushclient 4.51 about a year old?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is it a miniwindow plugin, or a second world?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you have tabs at the top of the window, one for each type of capture window?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: no only aardwolf chats spellup tabs
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish pokes Torunkes in the ribs.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: dunno what plugin or world sorry =)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you know what a miniwindow is?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: yeah maps, stats cp show wndows hide windows
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so is this a miniwindow?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: yeah for CP specifically
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ok
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then you have to go into your worlds\plugins\state folder and find the state file for the CP plugin and delete it
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sounds like you're using Bast's package?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: so theres a bunch of states here, delete them all?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: unless Bast has a specific command for resetting his things...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no, only the one for that plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, not them all
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: its name will be the plugin's ID IIRC
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: mcp CP reset
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ooh, even better
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle in his presence.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mdawson Tech: sweet! I am connected on my own telnet client that i wrote myself.  I can even see color!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: now there's an exercise in redundancy :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: congrats on making your own 80s wheel.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: now you'll get 2 less QPs per quest, yay :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mdawson Tech: thanks!  I know it's redundant.. but you don't just wake up knowing how to write a telnet client.. adn i thought i worthwhile leanring how to do it
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mdawson Tech: I've implemented gmcp.. compression next!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: add python scripting and then send me a note k?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mdawson Tech: now that'd be nice
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno that I'd agree with the worthwhile aspect...plenty of pluggable code available to do it
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Bah, he's teaching himself coding. That's worthwhile.  Go for it.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: teaching coding is worthwhile, yes
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: no I was serious a client with python that I would be willing to take a serious look at.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: some projects are more worthwhile than others for that purpose
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mdawson Tech: probably right.. but i can be useful to know how the engine works if you're goig to have a car (a metaphor.. hooray!)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mdawson Tech: this is step 1.. next step is ???  step 3 is Profit!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: quite a few clients can use python already, zarquil
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The project that the learner is most interested in is the most worthwhile project. Lighten up.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: varying definitions of worthwhile
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: hmmm...bast spellup prevents me from casting most spells.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: You could write your own client IN Python rather trivially.  I was bored one evening and wrote one with triggers and aliases in about an hour and a half :P
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast's spellup wouldn't prevent you from casting anything
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: via spellup that is.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it may not be casting them for you, but it doesn't intercept your own casting
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: oh, it's intercepting my spellup
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can use " spellup" to use the in-mud spellup
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: ah, thank you
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but you should get used to bast's commands and use it to cast them
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the point of bast's spellup plugin is to keep the spells on you all the time...if you're finding that there are spells that you want that it isn't casting, better to add them to it than to go around it casting them separately
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: i'm trying to decide if I want bast spellup window at all.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: i don't exactly have a lot of screen space
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it has a big mode and a small mode
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: What is the URL for bast's plugins (for new client)?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger bast
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: TY
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: abe, python scripting telnet clients with mccp. I don't suppose you have a list.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mushclient, tinyfugue, possibly cmud?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: hmm...tech come to think of it, i don't recall adding the spellup plugin...it's part of the default install?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: its part of bast
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: and enabled when i added some of the broadcasts?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: er basts latest plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's part of the default install of bast's old mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: won't install itself with bast's latest plugins, and I don't believe comes with the latest aardmush
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i manually added it when i added bast
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast no longer does a mushclient prepopulated with plugins (now that the aard one is updated), and his current setup lets you manually add a la carte...it'll add dependencies for you, but not wholly-unrelated stuff, and I can't imagine that any of the usual ones would depend on the spellup
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: In gmcp, what is room.coord.id ?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: probably continent
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type coord...it's mostly that
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you had to load it manually or you are using the v4 portable mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: there is cont for continent, maybe it is cont->zoneid
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the continent ID, the room's coords, and an "is a continent" bit
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: room.coord {cont, id, x, y} room.details {flags} room.exits {obvious} 
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the gmcp page gives the values for what continent each of the coord id numbers means, x & y are obvious, and the cont is a 0 or 1 depending on whether it's a continent or not
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: is there any way to change the colour of warfare messages using mushclient? it doesn't seem to be one of the in-game options.  i've worked out that gag won't work unless i gag the countdown messages 100% of the time, even when i am joining.  i'm guessing a trigger with colour changing would be the way to go, but how do i do that, please?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: switch the order...id, x, y, cont
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sure, don't gag it just have it change the color.  It's on the middle-right of the trigger definition screen
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or for a conditional gag, gag it, then if it's your range, echo it again
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: got it, toggles between area/continent, ty
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Could just have a variable (call it gag_war) and when that variable is true gags them, when false shows them.  And when you join a war set that variable to false.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i wouldn't know how to do that abelinc.  sounds a bit complex, wouldn't it need both a variable for my level (or editing every time i level) and an if statement?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Nah you can get your level super easy using GMCP.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: thanks, metria, that's a lot easier than the zmud i used to use!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've already got the variables :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i do? mushclient saves your level by default?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: A little confusing on the web page.  The continent list is given but cont is not explained and id is continent if anyone is involved in docs.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we're all involved in docs...it's a wiki :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Mushclient doesn't save your level, but it is available via gmcp
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: oh... so how do i get mushclient to access my level from GMCP?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Now that's a good question. I dunno.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: grizzler, how's the room.info part of the page look now?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your level is in char.status.level
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Is it on a continent or a continent versus area flag?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're on a continent, the value is 1, if you're in an area, the value is 0
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: right, so it distinguishes between the wild and an area because you're always on some continent.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: correct, this is a necessary distinction for bigmap
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when coords first came in, the coord command gave -1 if you were in an area...so the first run of the bigmap plugin used that, and if coords were not -1, it popped up the bigmap since it knew you were on a continent
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: coors still does give -1 in some areas
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: now coords and others are -1 for mazes
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: still not quite as straightforward as i'd hoped... i made an alias to echo char.status.level hoping it would tell me my level, but it tells me char.status.level.  is echo special and doesn't process or am i missing some processing options to change? it doesnt work as sent to world, script, status, execute, output or variable
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: later it was considered useful to know the coords of the area you were in, so coords gave the "proper" response
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: ahhh
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not mazes, clan mazes
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: maze rooms
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mazes give -1 for exits, but not for other values
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: maze rooms will still give you the room's UID, useful for mapping the maze
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: only clan maze rooms and other rooms with an unmappable flag will give the special case listed just below where you were looking on the wiki...maze rooms will not
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: yeah, in gmcp it is just num
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'm trying to make sure I've got the quirks before I start working with it.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: still not working grizzler, or do you mean for maps it's num with gmcp?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, the "num" was to me about gmcp's room info
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the number returned is what the MUD calls the UID, but the gmcp room.info value is num
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: it's still not quite as straightforward as i'd hoped... i made an alias to echo char.status.level hoping it would tell me my level, but it tells me char.status.level.  is echo special and doesn't process or am i missing some processing options to change? it doesnt work as sent to world, script, status, execute, output or variable
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: that's what i hoped he was replying to since noone else did
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try echo @char.status.level, and clicking the checkbox for expand variables
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: it still doesn't work for me... nothing i do in must works for me unless it's an exact match very basic trigger or alias, or a macro... i think i'll go back to giving up... thanks anyway everyone
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: in mush
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what are you trying to do?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Dang, gmcp exits are not the same as exits command.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I don't think the gmcp plugin creates a global variable, you need to use the CallPlugin stuff from Lasher's example in the plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: gmcp exits are better.  No worry about duplicate room names.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: no, they do not include all exits
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they don't have custom exits
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: trying to change the colour of warfare x minutes left and peace declared messages, preferably with a wildcard for the number of minutes so that one trigger does all the minute ones, and/or gag only the warfare messages irrelevant to my level including when announced and when x minutes/peace declared.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: right, and those are important
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you will be able to add custom exits manually in the next official release
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but they will have room numbers through closed doors, as long as it's not an invisible exit
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, they call it interactive mapping for a reason, yanno. ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: are you talking about mush?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sorry
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: yes in the latest aard mush client with no additional plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I prefer to torture myself.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: zylias, sounds like you want a hilight trigger
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: basically if warfare was like gqs and only announced the ones i was eligible for, and only their relevant messages, that would be great.  i don't want to see the others.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i'm thinking it might be easier done as a mudside option, if they would be willing to add it as a toggle
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i don't know about easier
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, maybe I'll throw together a mush plugin that does it
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: easier in the sense that it could use most of the gq code that already does it, fiendish?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I forgot I made a give all plugin when that whole thread came out
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Seems like that would be an easy one to write.  It would just be an alias of 'give all *' to 'echo STOP WHINING'
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, it changed give all into give all unkept
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so did an invdata, looked at the flags, then did individual gives
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What's that GMCP command we can send?  To restart the handler in mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: prot gmcp resetchar
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: OK, I reconnected and the stat monitor window is still showing "Stats will appear here once you start playing."
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: type protocol gmcp, is char on?
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: yes it is
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Core, however, is not
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, that's strange...
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Let me relog real quick.
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That fixed it
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Although Core still shows off, go figure.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Just posted a MUSHclient plugin to my tf scripts page, at the very bottom...the plugin gags warfare messages if you don't qualify for the war, and lets you set colors for warfare messages :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knixe Tech: any reason i can't see my text in mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which text?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knixe Tech: the stuff i type
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Birdbrain Metria is agreeing with that Sneak person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sorry, mis.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Sneak peers intently at Birdbrain Metria.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knixe Tech: i cna see everything but what i am typing as i tpy e it
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did you set the input text to be black on black?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knixe Tech: how do i change that
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you probably dragged the input window to be too small
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try dragging at the bottom of your screen, looking for a split arrow cursor
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knixe Tech: that was it
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knixe Tech: thank-you.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knixe Tech: off
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then, since those are running inside screen, you can ctrl-a, ctrl-d to detatch the session
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: might i get some help im rewriting my alias's from cmuds and i have got the one working but i am getting like 5 extra carragie returns at the end
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: mush client
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: delete blank spaces?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: tried that
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: pastebin?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ??
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: c/p it to pastebin
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: pastebin your script?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: pastebin.com
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: oh ok hang on
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: http://pastebin.com/NPKn2cu5
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: what is *dbaby?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: social
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: brb
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I don't see any reason that should send any extra crs
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i didnt either
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: after it runs its like i pres enter 5 times and the prompts spams 5 times
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: do you happen to have a trigger on any of those lines somehow?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: na this is the first alias i have made since loading the mush client
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Wait, are you on the new bast mushclient>
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: it's the inventory plugin, guarantee it
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: That would be the invmon lines
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: yep
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: thats it
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: thnks
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i will be back hehe
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger bows deeply.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Just remembered recently helping someone else with that issue
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: MUSH 4.72 released this morning...
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech Bloke Danj Tech: well that's annoying, seems my old hard drive is dead :( it's not showing up in explorer and it just keeps repeating 9 clicks, then a short burst of 3 clicks
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Sounds like a physical issue with the drive. The data's probably recoverable.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: seagate or winchester
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: what is the brandname of the old hard drive with the click(s) of death
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: seagate used to have a telltale
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: most of em if they do that, the better quality ones you should really haer all hell breaking loose
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: on zmud i hd a trigger to make specified text blink...can anyone help me convert to mush? it's only one line...i just dont get mush stuff yet
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I don't believe MUSH blinks, but not sure
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Blink? Not sure that's an option
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: ah
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: it was nice for cps w/lots of mobs in all adjacent rooms
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's an ansi option, so unless blink is simply not supported in the ansi-color functionality of the scripting language then it's supported
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dokkar, it's not supported in many ansi implementations
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: what would be the setup to say change specified text red?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: game -> configure -> triggers, add, put the pattern there, use teh "Change colour and style to" box to set how you want it to look
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/bbshowpost.php?bbsubject_id=1956
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Check that link for discussion on Mushclient and blink. (Summary: don't hold your breath)
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: and how do you assign variables in an alis? so i would make an alias mark * and then have the output be like var < > %1 or something?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: in order to assign what is to be turned red say
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use * for wildcard (unless you click the regular expression checkbox) then %1 in the bottom
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: just %1 but you then select send to variable
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'll change the color of everything that matched the pattern, so for just highlight trigger, you don't need anything in the action part
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: and when you select send to variable how do you assign to the name of the variable?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you do know that there are already campaign and gq target highlighter plugins, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: um... read the text on the screen
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: i didnt...
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and that there's a helpfile and forums...
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: well theres also a tech channel dokkar
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: nods
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: wading through huge piles of forums...im new to this, wouldn't know where to start
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: as for where to put the variable name it might be the box labeled "Variable"
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: thanks for your help everyone
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus smiles happily.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Morrolan Tech: if i can get to the mud via ip address, but can't access any web sites, that's a dns problem, right? any easy solutions before calling the isp?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: reboot router
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Morrolan Tech: because that's what they're going to tell me to do? =)
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Pretty much
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: check other pc's on your router to see if it's isolated to you
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Are gmcp room names supposed to have color? (or anything gmcp for that matter)
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that depends on your color settings for gmcp
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: your choices are rawcolor or ansi, I believe
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if it's set to rawcolor, it just sends the aard colorcodes, @clike this@w
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Well, that's not what I got on one room.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I got escaped color codes.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ansi, or something different?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: not important...
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ansi codes follow a format of %e[##;##m, where %e = the unprintable escape character (27, I think?), the first ## is the bright/dim number, and the second ## is the color number.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I just said *not important*.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fatale Elliden Tech: anyone muds on an iphone?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I use ipod touch and ipad occasionally
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Is there any way to type, on MUSHclient, directly into the black area so that It feels more classic?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Is there any "break command" thing to type? Like in many muds there is the "--" that clears all previously inputted text
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Nope!
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: close and open client
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: ugh... thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: I use to spam heavily before I charged, use to use it on occasion
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: technically you have to disconnect and reconnect
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Why, whenever I type "map" does it have <mapstart> and <mapend> there?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: map tags
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and you're not using a capture plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what client are you using?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if you want them off, type TAGS MAPTAGS OFF
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Aard client
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: i took off the map plugin because I like it being where I usually look
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so turn off maptags as suggested
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: tags map off
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: I just typed Maptags
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: afk
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: afk
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ack
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: In what folder do I need to look for all my old aliases from MUSH? I had the basic MUSH but then downloaded the Aard version
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: They aren't saved into a file unless you manually choose to save them
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did you overwrite your old install with the aard install?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: I haven't yet managed to set up an Apple ID account, but I probably will tomorrow. But do all iPhone apps work with the iPod Touch? Like Facebook game apps for the iPhone. Are they iPhone only or iPod Touch-compatible also?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: (Ubuntu 10.04)Trying to turn on personal file sharing via System->Preferences->Personal File Sharing, and getting this error, "This feature cannot be enabled because the required packages are not installed on your system" -- Any idea what packages i need?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: probably samba
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nope, i get the message "alread the newest version"
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: any other ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: not really sure, probably best to search the ubuntu forums
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: have you got nfs and samba installed?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: What's NFS's ubuntu package called?
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: nfs-common
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: are you trying to share files across a network or different journaled partitions
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Didn't have it, it's installing now
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Across network
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: samba should do it
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: but i havn't used linux in forever 
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nfs installed but still says doesn't have the correct packages
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: perhaps you need the nfs server, nfs-kernel-server
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: installed server, still giving the same error though
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: http://macpablodesigns.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/enable-personal-file-sharing-in-ubuntu-10-04/
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Looking, thanks :)
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: chaching! Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ok, so i got the server connected and running, but when i try and access the files from another computer i keep getting "Failed to mount Windows share"
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: proof positive that Windows is female.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: windows share, not Windows :P
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: ---------------- Player : Windows (Offline) --------------Level 163 Male Halfling Archer (Tier 0).
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nvm, i got it
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Had to remove the "create guest account for users without an account" checkbox
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: just wanted to 'share' my external hard drive over the network :) Gotta love making things /really/ wireless :P
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: which is the typed command to reset windows in mush?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}XainFaith Tech: hello i am having an issue with MushClient
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}XainFaith Tech: is anyone around
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: nope (=
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: usually helps just to say your question and see if anyone replies
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}XainFaith Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}XainFaith Tech: well it seems i lost my input text box
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}XainFaith Tech: .. i figured it out
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}XainFaith Tech: man that was wierd
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}XainFaith Tech: sorry about that
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: there was a command you can type to reset windows right?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: aargh. bitlbee server down
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: is there a way to allocate more ram to a program in windows xp like you used to be able to in 98se (aside from setting 'priority')?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: allocating ram is the program's responsibility...allocating more to it wouldn't help it unless it's trying to use the ram...and if it wants to use the ram, it can self-request it of the OS
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What an amazing idea
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You raise your eyebrow at Cizra.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: A way to preallocate a bunch of contiguous memory and run a privileged program in that contiguous chunk
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I bet this would solve somebody's performance problem.. maybe..
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it wouldn't
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it already works. take any amount of free memory you have and java will use it all
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: noncontiguous memory isn't causing performance issues...you do know why they call it "random access" memory, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Ever heard of CPU cache?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: CPU cache wouldn't be affected by this
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it helps to realize how the cache fills itself, and what preallocating memory to a program that isn't prepared to use that memory would accomplish
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: How come? If the program memory is all contiguous, there's a better chance it'll get paged in
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: umm, no
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: $ cat /etc/debian_version -> 6.0
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: broke bitlbee :P
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: running ubuntu from a 8mb usb stick on hd-less laptop, stick failed after about 200 hours. is that to be expected?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: flash has write failure...
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: it burns out like a lightbulb
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Well, maybe not 200 hours.. Do you know anything about your disk IO intensity?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: It's measured in writes, not hours.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: Never knew that. I'm assuming those new solid state hd's don't have that issue?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: different tech
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Really? I thought it was the same NAND flash
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: some bits are the same, yes
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but 32GB flash drive will not work like a 32GB SSD
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm not sure where the difference lies, but it's there
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Controller chip? Load levelling?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm going to google it in a minute
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Those, and binning.  A difference of degree, not kind.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: All flash has very limited write/erase cycles.  Nature of the beast; physics always wins in the end.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What is binning?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: All manufacturing has tolerances.  The 'better' chips off the line go into more expensive uses, like SSD's.  The lessers go to cheap stuff like SD cards and USB sticks.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ahh.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Just like CPU speeds; Intel doesn't design 2 GHz chips and 3 GHz chips, they just test 'em all and put the better running ones at higher speeds.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I am guessing that the sql backend doesn't automatically save?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: because I think that I am getting different results from different handles
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: maybe transaction isolation?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it's possible, I suppose -- but it doesn't seem likely
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I think more likely that the file hasn't been saved, and it's still in memory
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: what sql backend? sqlite in mushclient, or some real server? They all have some non-obvious quirks.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: oh, sorry, whichever on the mapper uses...
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: which is sqlite I guess
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: anyone running tf in xwindows?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hehe. my bitlbee server is back
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: now with a chat bot
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: people complain i'm always online, but rarely reply
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: is there a "Repeat" button on youtube
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: anyone else (cmud) have problems with speedwalks lagging with all gmcp enabled?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't use cmud, sorry.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It's probably the map, maybe as a sort of fix it's possible to turn off the map at start off speedwalk, and then reposition
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: And a smart trigger system really helps in Cmud, also there may be some issues using events I think.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: apparently it's now always on, even if switched to 'off' mode :)
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Any signal processing people around? I'd need some dumbing-down of various Fourier transformations
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: running ubuntu from a 8mb usb stick on hd-less laptop, stick failed after about 200 hours. is that to be expected?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 8mb?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: if its 8mb then its prolly like, 340 years old already, Lol
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: crudey cheap usb thumb drive
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: hehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg&feature=player_embedded
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: about the iPhone vs. HTC evo
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: neither?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: So I'm having an issue I fixed before in the new mushclient, but when I upgraded it came back again.  When I maximize the window there is some space on the top that the screen does not take up...Any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: welll....what did you do the first time?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: If only I remembered...I'm using Windows XP Pro...
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when you figure out what you did, please let me know
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ok LOL.  Wierd thing is, if I unmaximize it I can drag across the whole screen.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: which side of the screen do you display your taskbar on?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: On the bottom.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: well, so much for that idea. ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Fixed always there, doesn't hide or anything.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: yeah, thought maybe you moved it to the side or something, and the maximizer logic was "leaving room", so to speak.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Hmmm, I did all sorts of minimizing and maximizing and that seems to have fixed it.  No clue what did it.  Checked some box called negotiate window size under world properties at some point, and enabled and renabled a plugin called aard_layout.xml, but disabled or unchecking doesn't cause the problem again.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: heh
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I have a GMCP question..  I've managed to enable GMCP, but I cna't work out how to enable the sub-protocols of GMCP
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I've tried the examples on the aard wiki page
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What client are you using, and what protocols are you trying to use?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: helps if you say what client you're using...
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: but i can't get the sub-gmcp's to activate
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: my own client
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: is it sending core.supports.set?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: connecting via telnet
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i don't think it is... i am sending the IAC + DO + 201.. which turns on GMCP
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's not enough :P
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and then i'm trying to build the command to turn on sets.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I'm getting repop, tick and quest via GMCP
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: but not the other items
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: does the supported items HAVE to be set right at the initial connection or can i turn them on later?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can turn them on later
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: awesome!
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you just have to send core.supports.set, with the options you want to turn on and off (json of course)
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I've added a text box that lets me send gmcp commands.. but i can't get any combos to work.. from the TinTin script examply I've tried sending somehting similar to 
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: $IAC$SB$GMCP Core.Supports.Set [ "Room 1", "Room.Info 1" ] $IAC$SE
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: don't need room.info 1
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just room 1 will cover that
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can only turn off the main packages (char, room, comm, group), you can't choose individual messages in those
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ok let me build something adn run it by you?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: on/off, i should say
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: sure, but i'm not an expert in this :P
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i can't get those sub-protocols to turn on
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i tried Core.Supports.Set [ 'Room' ]
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: lemme rephrase that
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: IAC + SB + 201 + <message here> ++ IAC + SE
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: so i tried Core.Supports.Set [ 'Room' ]    i'm not getting anything back or sub-channels enabled.. any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: room 1
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: or room 0 to disable it
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i tried that too, but let me double check i have it right
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: dunno if it's case sensitive, but try making it core.supports.set
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: good advice... but still no dice.. damnit
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i tried core.supports.set [ 'room 1' ]
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rau Tech: use "
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: HOOOOORAY!!!!!
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: double quotes did it... json isn't meant to care.. but in this case.. it does
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: json doesn't care but the original text handler does.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: json IS meant to care, it's subset of javascript
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: json wants a quote but it gets stripped by the original handler because it also wants a quote.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i really didn't expect SO much help from you guys... i truely appreciate your patience! wow.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but for numeric values you don't want to quote the value. [10,20] is not the same as ["10","20"]
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Huan is agreeing with that Undertaken Anaristos person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: heh, I remeber when json was just used by those too lazy to write a proper object :)
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: at my old job i was "the Json guy".. but it only takes a new protocol to humble you all over again
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I noticed this debate to late, but when I have protocol troubles, I usually just use wireshark to look at working implementation. It saves lot of time.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: so i've worked out too that room 1 is on and room 0 is off
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: so now i can turn them all on
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: wireshark is nice, yes. I use it often.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: is wireshark a network listener?
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yes.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: coz that would make a LOT of sense to use
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, you can use it to sniff also.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: probably would have saved me all these questions :D
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: all sub-channels enambled. 10 Trivia points for everyone!!! (when I have them :P)
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tlaloc waves tiredly and all that. "Anyone up to explaining how to make and use pipes to me? (windows or unix variety, named pipes in specific so I can toss messages between them for some reason or another) Good tutors will be offered or may request rewards.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tlaloc swears he feels like deafening himself so that he can get the teacher's lectures transcribed into english...Mostly because the teacher can't speak it.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: Ok im trying to make davo's spellup script for cmud work with the exprate wish i am gussing that this is the trigger to collect the exp info ~[(??%d)%s(&3)~]%s(%w)%s%d~/%d%s%d~/%d%s%d~/%d%s%n%s%d 
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: but i really have no idea any help
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: and i meant tracker script
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: the easiest fix/hack is to just toggle the exprate display
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: sry
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: find a regex tester site and check it out?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: kool thnk elvendar didnt know i could
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: Hi, does anyone here have some decent understand of the mushclient and how to setup triggers within it ?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: help->getting started
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: "failed to launch help" rofl
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: google for windows 7 and help compatibility
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: apperantly the help file isn't compatiable with windows 7
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: ugh, would just setting the exe file to compatibilty exp do the trick ?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: xp*
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think the help files are mirrored as pages on mush's website too
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: doubt so, feel free to try
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you have to download the reader for the pre-Vista/Window 7 help files.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: when you try to read the old format it should give you a url to the reader.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: found a online toturial already :) 
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: okay, so I setup this trigger in mush on "You are certain that * is * of here." and then "%2" as what it should do too that, and from what I understand from the toturial, that should work, but it isn't.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: anyone ? :) 
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you don't need to do all that, * of here is all you need to trigger on.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: parenthesis
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: otherwise you'll need a lot more triggers.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that too :)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: (*) of here.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: so bring it back down too 1 wild card /
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right, you already know the name of the object you are hunting :)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: regex: ^You\sare\certain\sthat\s(.+)\sis\s(\w+)\sfrom\shere\.$
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: actuall, ^You\sare\scertain\sthat\s(.+)\sis\s(\w+)\sfrom\shere\.$
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: actually, even :P
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and it doesn't matter weather you are sure or the other adjectives the command uses, they all end up the same way.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: hmm still doesn't work 
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: except you don't need all that, Dagnir.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is that your hunt message?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: certain is 100% hunt iirc
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hmm, make it ^You\sare\s\w+\sthat\s(.+)\sis\s(\w+)\sfrom\shere\.$
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right, but they all end in is <dir> of here
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not so easy dagnir
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: best to just add a regex everytime you see a new one
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think there are about 10 or so
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sorry, there is also a: headed *
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: errr mind breaking that down and explaining that abit dag ?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: give me the messages and i'll write a proper regex ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the 3 triggers are heading, headed and is from
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: could you vis please so I could tell you ? :) 
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you might want to google regex
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i use a simpler pattern since i have wolfen racial hunt
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: headed %1, heading %1 and is %1 from here
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's pretty important to know how to form your own regex patterns if you don't want to ask for help every time
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: ye thats why I asked too break it down and explain it
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: I don't wanna be copy pasting
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: I wanna know what i'm doing
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: full messages in pastebin, please?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ^ is start of line, $ is end of line
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: stuff is usually verbatim except special chars
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is escape
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: \ is escape
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: meaning blank / until next word / leter ?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: (blah) groups and saves as a wildcard
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you need to escape special chars like . if you want it to match a .
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: otherwise . stands for any character
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Might just want to go read about perl regex...
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nuclear Launch Tech: I see
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you really should google regex, it's established and has tons better documentation than people could type
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: here you go - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBSxm0_gxo4
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oops, wrong paste
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://viktor.juhe.ee/regex.pdf
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: best cheat sheet i've found
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but you can check the youtube link, too. great track ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: If you really want to learn, get Mastering Regular Expressions
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i learned regex via tech and that cheat sheet
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i like to think i'm competent
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you don't have to put s for a single whitespace dagnir :p
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: \s
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: On an unrelated note, I think I have to promote this to the best worst language I've seen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i always have. can't hurt
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just fyi :p
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeilhuitl Tech: when i use firefox and google. after i click search, my editbox to type in another search totally disappears.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: new mexico, colorado, nevada, arizona
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Anybody knows theyr way around Fourier transforms?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: only the long, long way around them...
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: srand question, for any coders out there, what is another seed that you can use besides time()?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you can read from /dev/urandom
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: on linux that is
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: true. are there any other easy sys calls, though, to seed from?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: also note differences between random and urandom
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://xkcd.com/221/
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol, it's like the old random sequences that just repeat
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: fiendish: hhehehehe
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: should the new aardwolf mushclient have affected my tags settings?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: doesn't it use GMCP via a default suite of plugins that come with?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if so, it might turn them off on the grounds that they are no longer needed
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: I don't know, but I was using zmud installed and logged in with the new mushclient and then went back to zmud
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: and now a lot of tags are on i didn't have on
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: then, yes
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: so is that intentional or not?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ZMud is third-party software, so unless you write a script to do so it is not going to set things up for you automatically
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: intentional
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: No, my tags were set mudside in zmud prior to instaling mushclient :p
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it'd have to turn on all the MAPS tags
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Just fix them back up.  There aren't that many.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: probably wouldn't need any other tags enabled
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: would make sense for map tags just wondering if it's something that is bugged
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no bug.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: bugged?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: its not bugged, some of the plugins turn on tags/statmon that it needs upon installation
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: by deault the maps are part of the text.. and to safely detect them the tags have to be enabled.. there is no GMCP tag for maps
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: unfortunately
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: Hi, if I want to use linux based sistems, what are good to install to mush?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: none of em
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: linux is not a mush plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: perfectly good mush available for windows
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: mush is not supported in linux?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: It isn't 'supported' but you can run it through WINE or virtualization.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: not "supported", but it works
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger enthusiastically high-fives Huan!
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: so, installing linux, I can't use mush, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: You can, just not directly
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: it works via wine
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i.e, fiddly and expect problems
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: you'll have to install wine or some other emulation software (i'd go with wine) and THEN run it.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: mohan, do you mean the aard mush client or a mud client in general?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: Aardmushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: personally i'd suggest tt++, Mudlet, or TF for Linux mudding, as they're all native to linux environments.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: everyone should be made to mud from Pueblo
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: requires bit of magic, like finding command prompt and doing "wine c:\mud\MUSHclient.exe" (tweaked to your actual setup). Or creating icon for it
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger looks at Feral Farkyss and goes "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Why don't we just bang rocks together, farky :P
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: and asking what Linux is good to install, I have a laptop 4GB ram, 320 hard drive
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: because the newer OSes don't install with telnet.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: you could probably get to t9 in 6 months on two rocks banged together
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: gentoo, no questions. If you can install THAT, you will have no trouble with mushclient either :)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: why do you want linux anyway?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oryn avoids the distro religious war.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: well, my windows seven expired
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if your machine came with a license, it cannot expire
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: farkyss, why would anyone want Windows?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: because their sparetime isn't worthless
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: because it works, grizzler
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and nogs
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the hackers are growing bored with Windows and are moving on to real challenges worthy of their skill.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: grizzler: it's good game box, and if you don't need to work on the computer... I have some lost windows partition on my computer, too.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: how about they stop hacking snd do something genuinely useful
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ergo, in an ironic twist of fate, Windows is much safer than Linux. :)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: It comes with win7 home, so it doesn't accept changes like I wat to, but someppl said me than Linux is awesome
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: they were wrong
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Such false fantasies about linux...
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Linux is only safer because windows restricts users too much.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and if you can't manage sorting out a win7 install, you haven't got a gnats testicles chance in hell of correctly setting up linux
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arch-Mage Raistlin is agreeing with that Feral Farkyss person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: well, but Can I learn about it, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I've never had any issues with windows 7, I don't get the windows-linux-os x debates
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You know, there are linux distros where you pop in the cd and go next, next, next, done.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: except they never work properly
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: btw I'm asking if win7 is better or not, just asking what linux is good to install :P
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Really?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: Yep, but if you are any kind of gamer, then linux sucks major ass
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I liked linux mint
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: yes, grizzler, really
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Arch linux has always been my fav
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Farkyss, well damn.  I gotta go back and make mine break then.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I heard ubuntu is good, and somewhat newbie friendly.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: it is
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oryn is agreeing with that Grizzler person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: They generally work fine if you're not trying to do something complicated.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: the difference the os's is consistency
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: linux works on perfectly out of the box on all pc's except the sizeable %age it doesn't
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: for all it's other flaws, with windows that %age of failures ootb is much lower
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Why is there such a HUGE support market for windows?  Cause it always works...
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: In general, nod
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: linux is extremely powerful, easy to customise, has a huge variety of free software available
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dokkar gets Farkyss's attention by pantomiming a phonecall and goes "Yeah, that was Heaven, they want their Yogi Berra back."
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: but it won't run most windows software, most hardware isn't supported
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: there are pro's and cons to both sides
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: customizable indeed, but that isn't necesarilly always a good thing
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you're a geek or a geek sycophant, or just have loads of time free, linux is fine
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: agreed
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: or use them for work...
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you're not a geek, or just want something that works, or doesn't want the hassle, or want to play games and all the other software you're already familiar with, windows is for you
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: farkyss, only someone like you would expect another OS to run the software for another OS.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: only someone like you would expect people to throw away all the software they already have, and have to learn something completely new
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I use plenty of apps that only run on windows, which is why linux isn't an option :P
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: That's great :)  No one forces anyone to use Linux.  Windows is shoved down everyone's throat.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Pity windows doesn't run mac or linux software really, either :)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's just rubbish
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: not true actually
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: when you choose your pc, you get to choose what os you have
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: the various virtual boxen will run whatever on windows
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Anymore there's a mac/windows/linux port for most software
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you purchase a windows pc with windows on it and you wanted linux, then you're a bit stupid
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Cygwin gives some help w/ running Unix stuff on Windows.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: As does Wine for running Windows stuff on Unix
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: what was your point lyte? Windows is the major OS out there, the small ones should accomedate it, not the other way around
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: and parrallels for running windows stuff on mac
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Why do I let myself argue with morons...
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: You don't always even have the option to get a PC without Windows though...
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: you always have that option, maskull
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I've not yet found a computer that doesn't allow now OS on it
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: now=no
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: you haven't looked very hard then
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: nod, windows will even pay you back some if you completely chose not to use windows. in europe at least
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: USA too, and most online companies
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: If you choose to not have an OS, they let you and usually refund part of the cost
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: nod Cheez, so there, noone is forcing anyone
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you want to use linux, fine, use it, it's free
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: but it's not for everyone, and it certainly isn't a panacea
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Good to hear
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: I don't think anyone claimed it was.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Linux cures AIDS :P
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: So it must be a panacea
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: linux is ruining the mud!
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger runs away in utter terror!
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: more line running, probably
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: like *
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: omg, how does Linux ruin the mud?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: heh
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: We all know aard is run on a linux box
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it creates tiers
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: don't remember which distro, but it is linux :P
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'm waiting Farkyss.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: good
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: anyone good with excel, send me a tell please?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: anyone know who the author of davos's cmud scripts is?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is it davos?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: davos
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: wow ok thought it woulda been a higher lvl toon 
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: davos is now styx
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I believe he renamed his main character.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: oh ok just wonderin like the scripts
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: scripters dont have enough time to level... to busy scripting
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's true
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, atreidess never was much for levelling
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: haha there is truth to what you say
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: atreidess never provided support for his scripts
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn . o O ( until they perfect their bots )
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: But once they're done scripting, they level to t9 r7 201 in less than a week due to the awesomeness of their code.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's not the writing that stops leveling. it's the questions later. :)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but he did provide scripts
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredibly Flat Tech: once your bot is perfected, you ascent to IMM
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, you know that all too well nowadays, fiend :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredibly Flat Tech: then you are promptly nukes
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn snickers with Incredibly Flat about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Only if your code sucks and gets caught ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: We should be allowed to bot SC
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Or if they bid too low on a portal, maybe
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I love those bots.  They tend to go after really easy mobs so they don't die.  You can tell because the enter a room and target/kill every mob faster than anyone could every type.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: charge does that
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GentooX Tech: heh
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: or show how easy it is to change a gq bot into a cp bot now that qp have a purpose after having all your eq.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: so does my staff .... Giggity....
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: wouldnt mind a cp script
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then install one
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: One of these days, still playing without gmcp
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I have a cp script I found on the MUSHClient forums and modified, if you want it.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I'm doing all classes and then no more lvling...stay T0 period.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: many choose to
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blodeuwedd Tech: Hi, does anyone know why does my chat says {chan ch=newbie} before the newbie chat?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: tags channels off
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you have aardtags turned on
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: for a list of tags and their statuses, type TAGS.  HELP TAGS explains syntax.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: and if i don't want any tags or do i need them?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blodeuwedd Tech: thanks, I must have set it inadvertently
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: the new mushclient seems to autoset them^^
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the old one does too.  It's something the plugins do behind the scenes so that new players don't go "how come my plugins aren't working right?"
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: yeah, but with the old ones i wasn't seeing them
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: it uses channel 102 to set them on on each use, but doesn't turn them off on exit.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's because the plugins included a trigger that strips the tags out.  Not seeing them was never hardcoded into the application.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: i never installed a plugin to strip them, why is it removed in the new version?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: uh oh
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you didn't need to install a plugin to strip them.  The tag-stripping plugins were all preloaded.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: yes, it was so in the old version, but the new one i just downloaded from the hp to check it out, doesn't have it^^
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Just turn them all off, the new client doesn't use them for them for the most part, and will turn on the ones it needs
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: So everyone that goes to the new clients needs to reset tags for new gmcp?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I didn't have to make any changes
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Old client was old school and still used tags :P This one relies more on gmcp
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Switched from tinyfugue to aard packaged mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: The only client's been around for quite a while, it's a grandpa
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: That's different Metria.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: only=old
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: lasher just posted that a new one was released, therefore i checked
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: a new version, what is considered the new aardclient is now like a few versions old or so.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think the only two fully-featured clients are now mushclient and cmud. 
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Depends on your definition of "fully featured", I s'pose
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: agreed, metria
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah it does, my answered is sorta tailored to people coming on here and asking for the 'best client' :)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Almost every client used on aard has enough support to be 'fully featured' if asked for
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I think we can include either/both tintin or tinyfugue, though I'm not sure Mudlet is all that far behind.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I have a whole tt++ setup that would 'feature' it, abe has one similar for tf, zmud has one already, really. mudlet is getting a fast growing following to do it as well
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: In my opinion if they don't offer a map, they're still a step behind, unless there is an easy way to use a plugin.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm assuming you don't mean the ascii map
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Sure
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I have a map win for tt, abe has one for tf
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i want a burger right now cheez because you changed your pretitle
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah I'm talking a fully developed, autofallowed, automapping, searchable, graphical map
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: All of it available
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: As i said, i have that setup all ready for anyone that asks on my website for tt, abe has a couple that constitute it for tt, zmud has dozens in the forums, and mudlet as well
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: tf for abe i mean
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the ascii map is more like a picture version of the ZMud/CMud Nearby panel
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Unless a bot is doing all the work, it is a huuuge advantage. So I'm kinda seeing every feature like that as absolutely necessairy to be called a 'fully featured' client
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Scripting doesn't even have to be perfect to apply :)
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: and what i'm telling you is that everything made available for mush has also been made for other clients.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: In that case, they would probably apply.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Oh lol, seems I missed 5:38 chat history. In that case yeah it's also a contendder, accessible and feature rich.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Alright, this is irritating me.. I just managed to format my new hard drive, and now it's saying "media test failure, test cable." Any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Install an operating system
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You're trying to boot from network.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: My reformatting should have done that..
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Reformatting doesn't install anything - it FORMATS.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Well then I reformatted and reinstalled windows.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: you need to check your BIOS settings, look for your boot settings
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Check your boot order, then.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: HArd drive is first.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Make sure the drive is plugged in properly.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: If it wasn't, I wouldn't have been able to reformat or install windows.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Get a boot disk and see if there's really anything on the drive.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Yeah, if you haven't fiddled with the cables since then, that should be fine.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Bios detects the hard drive, my installer gave no errors, so I can't think of why it wouldn't work.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Does it have multiple partitions?
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: No. Brand new hard drive.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: I agree with Metria. Checking what's there, e.g. with an Ubuntu livecd sounds like the next debugging step.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: should roomname tags be on or off for the new aardclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: anyone know when bast is releasing v6? that new spellup plugin looks frikken awesome
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nack Tech: hello i was wondering if playing aardwolf on a ipad 3G would be laggy
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I've played remotely using my ipad just fine
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: meaning the game was actually running on my computer
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nack Tech: is it on 3G or wi-fi
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: It was wifi but 3G isn't going to be laggy
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nack Tech: do u know if there is a app for that lol
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: especially if you connect directly to the servers with a client
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/colloquy-irc-client/id302000478?mt=8
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Oh wait I'm crazy
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I've been doing a lot on IRC lately
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Nack laughs out loud.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mud-client-for-ipad/id393765507?mt=8
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: it has MCCP support
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: combine with wireless keyboard
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I've just upgraded to the new client, and am now walking around in the underdark. Everywhere I go the lines indicating exits become double lines. Is this itentional or is there perhaps a bug at work where it creates another exit?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: that is to indicate the last route you followed
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah sorry asking stupid questions, could've just checked myself, and yeah that dawned on me too :(
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: if you leave and come back it should be all single lines again. well thats how mine works anyway
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: thanks anyway :)
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: anyone have an idea when bast is releasing that v6 spellup plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "soon" I suppose
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: screenies of it look pretty flippen good
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: looks a bit complicated, but yes
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: yeah, im just hoping it has the ability to disable specific spells in spellup others. like the share spells.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I hope there's a reduced-size mode
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: fiendish -- spellup brief?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know what spellup brief will do in the v6 module
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: since I'm not using it yet
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: fiendish any idea if the gmcp mapper will be able to deal with doors at any point? think i may have asked before but my brain isnt working properly at the moment so cant remember
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: hopefully the same as it has done in every other version
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I have an idea, yes.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: dealing with doors is planned for the future
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: as well as marking rooms to avoid when generating paths
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: you rock. think you should sell the client to people for 1 tp a pop. you'd be rich i tell you
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not going to happen
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though I appreciate the sentiment
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: thats the only thing im not loving at the moment. passdoor helps though. but i can directly attribute my 1 gq win to the mapper
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: mapper loves room gq's heh
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Hmmm, there's a door here without an exit. I can open it by typing open down, see it in scan, yet cannot go down :)
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'm sure that's not a bug in the client
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: it's not, I guess its like a restriction like in the academy, or just an area bug I guess
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Anyone know how to insert a custom exit into the tintin++ mapper?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: #map dig
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ok that seems to create the exit, but do I have to something to link it the room it leads to?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It automatically links, I think
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: #help map describes it all
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Thanks!!
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Anyone using MUSHclient, know how to make an alias to an internal command, like to the mapper commands?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Egrene Tech: send to execute
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daak thanks Egrene heartily.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Egrene Tech: with wildcards of course
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daak nods at Egrene.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yarno Tech: there is a new client for the program "mushclient" and i don't know how to make the big map appear
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yarno Tech: anybody?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: have you tried visiting actual continent? the map autohides for me when you are in area
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yarno Tech: oh but in the previous version it was always visible without having to go to the continent
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: anyone know what codecs xbox360 can play on a data disc?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Something with the updated MUSH client is causing my prompt to display after every spellcast, or is that normal?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: mine does the same
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is that different than before?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Sorry, I mean after ever spell is cast in a spellup
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: maybe your change in mana is triggering it to be shown?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: make sure your prompts have %c on the end
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: having a problem here - i'm trying to install pyaiml (files here - http://hyperion.juhe.ee/PyAIML) into ~/local/whatever. there's a setup script in python, but i can't figure out how to give it a prefix. no sudo rights and the admin in sleeping.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: tried messing with the setup.py prefix line, but no luck
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no idea .. sorry
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: thanks for letting me know
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: running debian 6.0, if it's any help
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Did you try http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-aiml at all?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i should smoke less. thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Np
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger snickers softly.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: mis snicker
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, the source there wasn't any help
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Can't just dpkg -i it?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't think so
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: at least i'm not sure
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: it's a .deb, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, i tried to get the source
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so i could use ./configure --prefix="/home/me/local"
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i think i can't really do that with a binary
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: at least not without root access
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Not unless you modify the config file yourself to make it's install directory inside your drive.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i figured it's a hassle, so i'd rather not. compiling from source would be the easiest
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: On temporary workaround would be to conf/make, then DON'T make install, then in your .bashrc add it's currect location to the PATH var until you can get your admin's help
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hassle :P
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i guess i'll have to wait
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: what command are you running to try to install it?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: I was able to install it under my home directory with --> python setup.py install --home $HOME
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: thanks. that's all i needed :)
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: wasn't listed in the help
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nice gonf
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I hadn't thought to it that way
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: it is, sorta
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: python setup.py help --install for install options
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: but yeah, not sure why its not documented in the README
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lol readme
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gonf snickers with Ol' Dirty Fiendish about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger looks at a nether fiend and goes "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: readme? didn't see anything about the install there
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: yeah, me neither :p
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, thanks for the help
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, nice programs fall back to installing in homedir hierarchy if you don't have permissions to install globally :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hmm. it seems i have to install python in my home dir as well
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: since i can't import from /local/lib/python/ :\
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: can't you make a symbolic link to it and give yourself 777 permission to the link?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: err, i mean ~/local/lib/python
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: damn tildes
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Heh, change the whole meaning under *NIX though :P
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ~/local/lib/python is in your homedir
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: hah, the latest in RC technology on display here http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Video-UConn-s-backup-QB-is-a-Jedi-master-of-mea?urn=ncaaf-318722
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: there a shortcut in MUSHclient to repear the last command based on a key word... like if i did !tech, it would repear this line, I know  ! repeats the last command
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nope
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: There is?!
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can autocomplete from command history, yes
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Hey bast, you got a second to answer a question about your spellup plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I forget how, though
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nono, he's meaning resend w/ prefix
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: same thing
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Not at all
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: an extra step's involved, is all
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Fiendish, you might know this too
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know anything
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: You know more then I do :)
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: About this anyhow, Lol
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: than* ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: See! Its proven
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Basts spellup plugin, when using spellup other, isin't recasting fails, is that normal?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Anyone?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Spellup other, no recast on fail?  Normal?  Yes, no?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't cast spells on other people
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sounds normal to me
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Hmm
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it doesn't necessarily equate the fail message with the cast on others, since there's no way for it to know that you didn't also cast on yourself at that point
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, sounds normal
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Its the same message isin't it, lost concentration?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Spellup plugins don't use that message, for the most part
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes (although it doesn't use lost concentration mssage for the plugin)
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: They use the safil tag
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: sfail*
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: fial
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the message doesn't say who it was cast on, though
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Right, tags, gmm
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: indeed
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so all it knows is that "armor" failed to cast because of concentration
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your personal armor may have worn off around taht time and been recast as well
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I see
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: since it's not doing things like "cast foo" "wait to see foo's result" "cast bar" "wait to see bar's result"
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: for a kindle to be worthwhile to me, i'd need to buy 50 books
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: thats about 4 years worth for me
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then don't buy a kindle?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: you can sharpen an edge and shave with it as well
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that and they look hard to read
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: It comes with a ton of free downloadable softcovers
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: And you can get the Kindle DX which is 9X12
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: For the record, I sell those at staples!
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: Nah, it's easy to read.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i could buy a book
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: or the eReader.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (or a book)
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ereader is crap
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: with super touch swipe technology
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: in what sense?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: I haven't been able to get my hands on one since everybody's buying the kindle.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: doesn't anyone else find the idea of an ebook 'overengineering'?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: We used to sell Ereader, people were breaking the screens
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: obviously you've never tried carrying a library around with you wherever you went.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why would I need to?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: A little...but it's so much easier to deal with logistically than even a paperback.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Also, the kindle will download hanes manuals :)
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: and that's neglecting the on-the-road purchasing.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I mean, with mp3 players now, look at how dadgum inconvenient cd players are.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Also, everything but the basic model has free 3G
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: I guess that if you're travelling, having a few books loaded up ready to go can be logistically ok, provided you have somewhere to charge it up
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I know some audiophiles who were almost to a point where they had to make the hard decision to pull out some of their sound system in their car just to have space for their music collection.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: minus a thousand for DRM/closed platform nonsense.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: who needs a manual for underwear?!
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Cars/boats
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: charging isn't generally a problem...that type of screen keeps an image without draining battery
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: 8 hours of read time
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not enough
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Its also slightly flexable
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: harder to break
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: battery technology is woeful
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, I get that much on an ipad, and I get days worth on nook
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if kindle's only giving that long, then it's a design flaw, not battery tech
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Well, thats on the DX
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: battery technology holds back a ton of things: sensible laptops, electric cars
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: is the dx e-ink, or a color screen?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Same as the others, just larger
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I haven't looked at the nook color, only the original, and that screen uses so little power when displaying an image that it uses images when in the "normal" off state
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Virigoth Tech: 8 hours seems awfully low even for a DX
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (i.e. standby, not "hard" off)
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: the screen and the Wifi/3G wear it down
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: and thats 8 hours of Reading time, like, on and using
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Virigoth Tech: I get 3 weeks with my lighted case standard kindle with wifi off
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't leave the wifi/3G on when reading
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Virigoth Tech: and I read 2-3 hours a day at least
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: any x-window'ers out there?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: specifically mac xwin users
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Oryn: I am a xVista user to Win7.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: ah, was hoping for mac specific - I managed to somehow f up my xterms in xwindows to where
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ask Apple
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: anytime I open something like vi or tf, the viewable area cuts to about 15 lines
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: funny tiger :P
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: funny, and ironic, and true
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: anyone know if it is possible to reset the lua package path after mush has started?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: so building areas requires knowledge of lua coding?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: i didn't think so
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: really thats nice
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ode *points to the aardwiki
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: have a idea half ready was just starting to read up on it
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: yea im there now reading
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: oh ok i see nm 
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Testocletes Tech: Got a question about CMUD - I have a macro for training the attributes..when I press the button 1 the macro is executed 3 times..what is wrong.? Thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: anyone here know of any progs to help in area design i found one call visualmud.net and its nice just wanna se if theres anything else out there
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huh?
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can't use those with aardwolf
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: right
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: but i can use them for laying out a design
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can use mspaint for laying out design
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i suppose...
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: so in other words i probally found the best thing for my purpose then
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: most likely
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: cool its actually a really nice prog
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rathik Tech: I've used both Visio and Smartdraw for the purpose before, but neither is free
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I keep thinking Pogs
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: haha i used to have tons of pogs
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: and every sort of slammer
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Only one I can remember having was a metal slammer chaped like a saw and had OJ in bars
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: shaped
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: nice i had alot of them really heavy and thick with holograms on the top
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: AT the end, we would only play for slamers, huge stacks of em
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/IceWarm1980/ojslammer.jpg
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: omg i had one of thoes haha man that takes me back
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: with a trigger. what is the syntax to specify that the wildcard is the last full word on the line
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Astrix?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: *
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: could also depend on the client
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: mush sorry.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Most are *
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: ok so the wild card is defined by a * . but if i wanted to select the last word of ANY line.   so  *(SOMETHING HERE)*(OR HERE)  to say that the first astrix could be anything .  the 2nd astrix is the very last full word on that line.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Both are * but the command to call them is different if I remember properly
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use a regular expression instead
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Thats %1, %2 for mush?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: i know all that, i dont think u understand what i am getting at
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: example i suppose
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: 'a diseased cat               Quarantine'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: if i were to where another mob this entire line would be different so there are no points of refference for the wildcards to be placed.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: so how would i select just the last word of that line
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and if the room is more than one word, you've still got the same issue
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: match on ([^\s]+)$
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: You would have to reference the line above
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: thanks huan
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( ([\S])+) )
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: anyone know how to move onoitsu2's potionquaffer from the bar where tick timer is to the info bar?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone know what the ^ operator is supposed to do in PHP?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I would guess offhand the same thing it does in C.  But I'd sooner just read the docs than guess.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well the context it's used in the code i'm supposed to be converting is nonsense
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's been using in a trig context operating on a double
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and it's supposed to be a bitwise xor
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Maybe exponentiation?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's what I assumed, ciz, but the results with that are garbage
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and they use the correct operators for exponation elsewhere in the same line
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: xor is just used for bit flipping.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: returns the 1s complement of the number.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Why not echo the line here, then we can see the context.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: hence why var Math.tan(PHId) ^ 2 makes no sense
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: That looks like exponents
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: looks like it, but can't be
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Perhaps casting is making the results non sensical
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: there is no casting
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Hmm, I got nothing.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ^ is the xor op in PHP
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and whomever converted it to javascript left it as ^
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and likewise, in javascript ^ is bitwise xor
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so Math.tan(PHId)^2 just flips one bit over. mask 0000 0010
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the actual effect is a no-carry addition or subtraction of 2 :)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: only on an integer
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: this is acting on a floating point
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that might be the case, change the ^ to a bit shift, which would make sense then
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: bitshift would multiply or divide by 2 though, surely?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, not 2, but 4.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: bit different to adding 2 :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right the nocarry add is nonsensical.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: unless it's an encryption routine.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's not, it's a co-ordinates transform
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: definitely a bit shift, then.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the tangent * 4
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: on the other hand, he might want tan squared, that's another possibility.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: shift left is <<
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well, i can try it and see if it produces a more rational outcome than to the power 2
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: buty << 2, makes it tan^4
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: no.. it makes tan * 4
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so we want y << 1 for tan ^ 2
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: no! It doesn't square
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Shift left multiplies by 2, not squares
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope, you're right shift 2
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no, I am saying that tan(x)^2 might mean tan squared
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: we know, anaristos
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ahh well, bitwise won't work either
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, the xor deosn't make sense, so the only other thing would be squaring the tangent. There are a lot of trig functions that have that term.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: can't bitwise operate on a double, so i'll just try straight out multiplication by Math.pow(2,n)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: $a = (float) 1.234534 echo $a^2  (result = 3) on php5
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: or Math * Math
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: seems to convert to an integer before doing any operations.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that result seems to be because the float got converted to int.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: 1 xor 2 = 3
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you have 0 xor 0, 0 xor 0, 1 xor 0, and 0 xor 1 == 0 0 1 1 = 0011 = 3
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: terminal services is winding me up well and good today
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: night
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone have a decent resource of display glitches that affect specifically ie7?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: http:/www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: helpful?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: dunno, i'll have to take a look
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that should help, yes, ta
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: though my immediate reaction for anyone using ie7 or lower was ... upgrade
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: anyone familiar with opendns here?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: a bit
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope, sorry
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: whats gg on now is the building im staying, they provide internet for all. but recently started blocking a lot of sites. even aardwolf.com is blocked. all blocked using openDNS
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: so i changed my preferred dns to google. google's dns. works fine but now it doesnt work anymore
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: as in i can surf on browser, but mudding is still fine. any possibly they blocked google's 2 dns?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: using google dns myself
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: stopped using opendns because they broke firefox's awesomebar
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: for example, i like typing in "imdb movie name" and stuff like that. opendns redirects you to their own search
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: yeah, apparently they have an acct at opendns and blocked sites. that i know. but is it possible to block dns? idk about this part
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, you can't block a dns
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: at least not like that
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: because, you know, you use an ip to connect to a dns
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: whats wrong with your isp dns?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: when when im on google dns, i can mud, i just cant surf. apparently i get timeout msg when the sites are trying to load.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ipconfig /flushdns
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: tried that dagnir. /flushdns
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: btw i have a router connected you think i should set the router preferred dns as well?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that could help
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: if my router preferred dns is set to google, does the one on my computer one need to be set as well or i can set it to automatic
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm not sure how it works. my router has no dns settings, devices have the configuration
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's like playing css lottery
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is there a way to control which miniwindow will be drawn over which in mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: not at the moment I think
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: there wasn't a short while ago for sure!
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: any way to hardcode the order?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, there is, it's just not easy to manipulate
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: last time I saw, it's in as a feature request
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: how would it be done abe?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, making it make sense and be manipulatable is a feature request
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i don't really need it to be very manipulatable, given I want the same order most of the time :p
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Feral Farkyss shrieks!
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's based on load order
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and you can manipulate that
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: installation order?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: beginning to realise why people used to use <table>s to lay everything out before
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: where would the load order be handled?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Open the Aardwolf.mcl in a text editor, scroll to bottom, plugins section
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: dunno if that's the order Abe's referring to or not hough
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: doesn't seem to be
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the miniwindows are drawn by according to the id the plugin author gives them
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd have to look back into the mushclient forums to see exactly where gammon said
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is alphabetically
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so an aaa plugin is on top?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: so A-Za-z and 0-9 is somewhere in there
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: let me check, my miniwin_help plugin was designed to be on top of everything
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: doesn't seem to be, fiendish's group plugin starts with f17 and is on top of everything
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/mw_other.htm, image and window drawing order
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it doesn't seem to work that way though
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: name="Aardwolf_Group_Monitor", id="f178e68512c685b3be1e9b07" is over name="Aardwolf_Chat_Capture_Miniwindow", id="b555825a4a5700c35fa80780"
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: unless it's some other name?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: are you looking at plugin name/id or miniwindow name?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well they both use win = getpluginid() so i assume it's the same
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: actually the order is reversed [Z-A][z-a] and [9-0] is somewhere in there
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: god what a hack, having to use a table layout and stick the element inside a <td> with a relative position +120px to force it outside the table to where it should go
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: all because ie7 is pants
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: okay thanks :)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can always do the usual if ie7 then load this alternate css
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: didja get it, red?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yep
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: wouldn't help
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: btw id's are hexadecimal, so 0-F, F being on top
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, that shouldn't be, since windownames aren't hex...the fact that an id is generated as a hex is unrelated
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, a miniwindow id does not have to be hexadecimail, it is about reversed ASCII order
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: good point
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when bast mentioned cap difference, I figgured ascii num
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea, should be, just that most of the plugins i'm using are using plugin id as window name, so no Z :p
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: for my miniwin_help, i appended a lower case y to the beginning of it to make it appear above everything else
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod...that can be good for you...make something h or higher that you want to move
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: win = "z"..getpluginid works :p
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: v7 will have layers for my miniwindows, so layer 1 will be the highest layer, down to layer 10, but that is v7
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, hopefully he'll put in a z-index soon (gammon)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Venomangel waves a large bright yellow sign reading "It's coming in v7 !!"
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: a div placed inside div. both divs have position: absolute, second div is positioned 30px from bottom, 30px from right using right: 30px
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: would be nice
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: any alternative way of achieving that without absolute positioning on the second div?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that last was about Abe's comment
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: Looking to set up a Terminal Server at work and was told Server 2000 does not charge for additional licensing whereas Server 2003 does...true?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suppose it's possible
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but wtf?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: where on earth would you get server 2000 these days?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but why use something now 10 years old?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: $$$
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: AT WORK
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, well, I wouldn't cite the 10 years old so much as the windows server 2000...XP is over 10 years old as well ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod Winkle
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: not all companies have a lot of cash
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeah, and XP is bad too...
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and I wouldn't set up work computers on XP either
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not without really good legacy reasons
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: XP is pretty much still the standard in the corporate world
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: of course, I would not set up windows at all.....
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: server 2000 is required for win logo certification testing, but its almost impossible to find unless youve got an MSDN subscription...
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you would if that's all you had licences for
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and no IT budget
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the navy is transitioning to windows 7. that's all I need.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod Winke again
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: linux is free
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: linux isn't windows
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you won't likely be saving money by going with server 2000
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the Navy... a plce that knows nothing of a small budget
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you had no budget, you'd have to use linux really
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: exactly
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: Linux have TS services?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: has something similar
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: WinkleWinkle: You clearly don't understand what it takes to shift military tech policy.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i'm sure the linux bods can tell you
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, just not windows TS services
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hehe. free software is not always free as beer, mind you
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: oh i understand.. i've written navy software.. i'm just saying they don't have a small budget 
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: we charged them a heap!
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: better be the US navy, Winkle, else i'm demanding my money back
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: paladinson, what are you planning to use the TS for? you don't just run TS, you have it running other stuff
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle laughs evilly
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, good luck with that, farky
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: Accounting software package for multiple users across a DSL
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wow, you're really looking to have unhappy users
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: our navy just orders stuff that it can't use, and costs more to cancel the contract than to see it through
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use a multi-user accounting package rather than TS
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I could tell some funny stories about not cancelling contracts, but I don't think I'm allowed to
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: they want to have more ppl being able to access the same old accounting software...again, low/no budget
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: is the accounting software multi-user capable?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is it handi-capable?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: looking for the IT guy to pull a rabbit outta hat again
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Don't worry, I'm sure Filemaker's locking will keep it perfectly safe.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: isn't filemaker mac only?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod - accouting package is multi-user
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: more people being able to access it won't be helped by TS
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: just set up a single box with vnc, that way only one user can use it at one time...
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: filemaker hasn't been Mac-only in at least 20 years
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess it could be that long since I used it
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's always been mostly Mac, just not Mac only
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: there's the rub, Ranrr...the single box...they want to know if a box can support multiple users...TS does but then the $$$ variable
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: was Claris's, spun off to own company iirc
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but the users will be sitting at a different box
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: My mom loved it. It was like the microsoft access database before microsoft ruined it.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: err
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I did like FMP back in the day
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adempiere
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: try that
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then again, I also liked Panorama
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod Abe, but at the diff sites, there's a slowdown issue...with TS back to head office, they keep near-equal speed of head office box
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it won't
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: no, it wont on which part?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it won't fix the speed issues, it's still sending a fair bit of info across the wire
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: unless an application has been designed with WAN in mind, it will suffer hugely in the situation you're talking about
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: most desktop and small network based accounting systems are going to involve frequent, small disk accesses
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: but as i posted, there are some free accounting solution that run on webservers
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: including some that run on java web servers, which can run on linux server operating systems
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: missed that solution - will scroll back
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: which, if you didn't mind going without any form of support, would be free
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: none of this is very wise, tbh
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, running term services on server 2000 is a whole lot more unsupported than opensource ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: running anything over dsl on terminal services will drive them nuts, tbh
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: as it is me, right this minute
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: may still have to try and show them the the option - Powers that Be will make the final decision :)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, and to go to the initial premise, server 2000 still uses CALs for terminal services
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: but they're included up front, no?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: proper solution would be a managed offsite solution provided by a company that provides server-based accounting system, with support included
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no more so than any other windows server
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I run graphical applications using VNC over DSL and it works pretty well actually
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: -probably- cheaper than buying the hardware and software seperately
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: makes sense, Farkyss
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: make sure they consider hardware costs, running costs, maintenance costs, the whole thing
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, but hardware costs don't exist when you just throw everything onto the same server that everything else runs }:>
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: need to research that, Abe - heard that the TS CALs were extra in 2003 but no charge under 2000 Server
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: yes they do, abe
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I know, farky...but mgmt pretends that they don't
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: costs of replacing the server when it dies prematurely :-) nogs
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i was astonished to find that keeping our server room cool costs nearly $40,000 a year
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and it's only got 4 racks in it ffs
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I don't have our UPS tell me when it goes on battery...the temp increase threshold page tells me soon enough
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oryn Tech: heh
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: thanx for the tips - will research the other options
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can pretty easily turn on remote desktop and connect from one of the other locations to see how the performance will be
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note, however, that if the primary location is also on DSL (not just the remote ones), that each connection will be sapping speed
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: that's what I have been doin so far...but now the remote site wants more users to connect to the main office at the same time
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and term services doesn't change your licensing with the accounting software
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 5 people using TS is still 5 seats for that
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod nod - accounting package has the licenses covered
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: issue mainly is remote desktop is one person = 2 machines
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd say install it physically into a remote machine, then compare performance between TS into the one server, and just having a local install accessing the database remotely
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: done already - horrific difference
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: having seen a similar thing here with Sage accounting, i can safely say that even attempting to serverise it is a mistake
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: when they say they're multi-user, they're meaning essentially multi-user at a single site
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod nod
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: what's the rub with the installation, shared resource on a master pc?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all depends on how the accounting package deals with the data...if transactions are going across the wire, or if the database file itself essentially is
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if so, could vpn possibly be an alternative rather than ts?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: does vpn allow mutliple users to access the same box simultaneously tho?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: should be TS over VPN...VPN is security and IP addressing and not really adressing how to use the software
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: vpn just extends a network across multiple sites
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: clients would still to install the client version of the software on each pc they use
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod Abe, mgmt will need to upgrade their accounting package to be able to use TS - current version doesnt
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: sorry my mistake - existing network is WLAN
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: nogs, wireless really doesn't come into this, provided the master pc is connected to the router with a cable
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and do people already use it multi-user across the network?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: not yet no, atm it's a couple of remote users Remote Desktopping into main site...but mgmt wants to extend option to more users W/O adding more hardware of possible
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: if*
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: does the existing software allow sharing across the exsting internal network?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: it does
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: have you tried it to see what the speed is like over wifi?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod, there is a dip in speed but so far within reason for mgmt
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i don't know, abe probably knows more about this, but you might want to look into a vpn server to extend the internal network to other sites, then they'd be treated as part of the existing network
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: wlan has done that already
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: so other sites can access shared files at headoffice?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: direct remote desktop
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: so what's stopping you installing the accounts package on their pcs?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: the local instance of the app on the remote site still needs to access the shared data back at main site...done that way the loss in speed in ridiculous...
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: well if the loss in speed that way is too bad, then ts isn't going to be any better, i doubt
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: performance was better when using remote desktop than it was by using the program installed on the remote PC...not too surprising, many packages essentially just share out the database file and don't do it transactionally
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: but giving the remote user a dedicated pc at main site for them to Remote Desktop into, then the speed loss is minor
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that has a hardware cost though
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: that's the rub
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they're wondering if they can just stuff more users onto existing hardware using server rather than client OS
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: exactly
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: back to the management mantra of "there is no hardware cost" for pounding harder on existing stuff
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: client os only allows one instance of TS...server allows more
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: except now server 2003 has the licensing issue cost attached
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: server 2003 licensing is the same as 2000
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i think you're only going to be able to achieve it with either windows 2008 ts, which has a cost
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or considering a completely different approach, such as that product i gave a link to earlier
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: (or something like it)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: which still has a cost, but probably less
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for both, you buy the server OS. For a given windows server purchase, it may bundle 5, 25, 100, etc CALs
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: but then, abe, they need to buy the updated version of the accounts package too....
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and the server + maintenance
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Paladinson Tech: thanx again
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I know it's hard, but you've got to hammer home the 'penny wise, pound foolish' message as often as you can
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: our 'above IT manager level' management only this week realised that buying servers with a 1yr service contract was a big mistake
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: our poor IT manager is pulling his hair out
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: because just see numbers
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I know when I worked at the elementary school I jerry-rigged plenty of solutions just to get functionality
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ouch
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: when the price of the second year was 3x the first the upper-management said "why is it so expensive?" and he just had to reply "because it's no longer in warranty,duh"
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not bad to forgo service contracts if you factor that in by buying redundancy...some of our equipment where we buy 150 access points, it's cheaper to get a bunch of spares than to keep service contracts on them
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: they've decided from now on that any new server will get bought with it a 5yr service contract, and assume that after 5yrs the server will be replaced
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: for the purposes of working out cost
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: does make life simpler
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, we ran into that with our Barracuda spam filter...when I took over, it had the software upkeep for the database, but not the hardware replacement...I inquired and basically was told that we'd have to buy back the previous couple years of hardware maintenance to get it supported...I just bought another box
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varas Tech: How do I fill an inner tube with a presta valve? I can't google atm since my connection keeps dying on me.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the same way as with a schrader valve, you just need a different head on your pump.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though first you unscrew the tip
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varas Tech: That much I figured, but should the valve have one of those nobs to cover it, like regular valves?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what, a plastic cap?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varas Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you don't NEED it, but it protects the valve tip
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varas Tech: I just bought a new bike, and the only thing I can do to it tonight is fill the tubes, since I don't have any tools. So I'm gonna satisfy my GAS by filling them :P
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you got a new bike with no tools and didn't at least get something like this? http://www.amazon.com/Topeak-Hexus-16-Function-Bicycle-Tool/dp/B000FICB22
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varas Tech: yep. Mail-order.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: With the MUSHclient, if one of the windows, mainly the play windows is way to big/mostly offscreen, how can you resize it, since you can't get to lower-right corner to resize?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: there's a filled in corner that you can drag
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: move whole mushclient way to the left, until you see the corner
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: like a little triangle in the corner
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I switched res'es from 1920x1200 to 1280x800 (pc to laptop) and I can't move it far enough to get to the corner
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Is it possible to move the placement of the input bar in MUSHclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I don't believe so
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: bummer, I'd like to have it aligned with my game window, which is not at left edge...
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: What files contain the mapper info for MUSHclient, is it just Aardwolf.(db|db-shm|db-wal) and the bookmark file? I'd like to sync between 2 computer
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yes
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do not copy files while mushclient is open
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daak nods at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: -shm and -wal are signs that your database is still opened
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Ah, ok.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: flip tape, rewind and press play
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: what is a good p2p client?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Define 'good'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: works
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: They all work. What are you trying to do?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: download anime 
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when you say "p2p" do you mean bittorrent?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Are you on Windows?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: yeah like kazaa, napster, bittorrent
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you do, then you probably won't be able to beat uTorrent for windows. Dunno about other platforms.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lol @ kazaa and napster.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Napster? is this 1996?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: well i'm old give me a break lol
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Try out uTorrent.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: What is IRE Composer in my gmcp protocols field in cmud?  I assume it's Iron Realms something-or-other; do I need it or can I remove it?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Is there a way to tell windows xp to always run a process at high priority, or do I have to manually set it in task manager?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if the application can start from a command line, you could 
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or you could create a batch file and have the command %windir%\system32\cmd.exe /c "start /high C:\pathtoprog\prog.exe"
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Or you could edit the shortcut to do that, too.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Hm, thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or you could give it a blunt
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: nogs, editting the shortcut to have that statement works
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i tend to find that tinkering with program priorities is a bad idea
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: in word 2010, can i have some portrait pages and some landscape pages in the same document?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I doubt it
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: re: mix of landscape adn portrait.. you can do it
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you need to use section breaks
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Hey, setting up a router, anyone can give some info what the difference between WPA, WPA2, or anyWPA are?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Use WPA2, read the wikipedia articles on them if you're feeling masochistic
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: yeah, was thinking i'd try WPA2, but thought I'd check. What's anyWPA?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Don't know that one
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Probably some proprietary D-Link thing
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: you'd want to use WPA2 or WPA
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Ah. Right. Well, will go with what I know and stick with WPA2 then. Cheers :)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: you should attempt to connect all devices you intend to connect as some will be tempermental with some kinds of security
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: now to think of a suitable PSK :P
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: for instance, the DS is picky and doesn't like to play nice with newer versions of those encryptions
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: older net cards may be picky as well
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: nah, only niggle might be a wireless printer, otherwise we've just got new-ish windows laptops.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Then you'll be fine with WPA2
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: well it'll be clear as your whatever will be unable to do stuff
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: and the router is 3 years old, so yeah, wpa2 it is.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: so just use that
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: use WPA2
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Will do. What about this check-box "WPA2 pre-authentication" ?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Does anyone know how to scroll back on the new MUSHclient setup?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: mousewheel?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: page-up?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: the bar on the righthand side?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: prayer to a deity?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: No bar, mousewheel doesn't work, but MAN!!! Page up rox0rs
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: (bet you didn't even try praying)
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: with mousewheel, be sure to click inside the text field first, otherwise you could be scrolling in another window
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: I had to sacrifice a schoolbus full of children to get mine to scroll. :(
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: worth it then...
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Spank, there IS a bar
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's all the way on the right
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and who doesn't have a mouse wheel?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: People on a phone? But they wouldn't be using MUSHclient either ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Anyone else dislike the new lifehacker layout?
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and gizmodo
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: but i don't like them much anyway since they let everyones passwords out
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Is there a way to add clan skill buffs to MUSH spellup scripts?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: faboo
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: faboodaboo
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: baboo
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: innefficient, yes, but I am not logged into my computer, at the same desk as the other computer i'm logged in form.  Should make mudding from work a tad easier  :)  no more switching computers, just have to switch screens.  I'm an alt-tab away from "working", not a chair swivel away now  :)  faboo  :)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is this how you got all those tp?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: with side by side computers?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone here connecting with VNC across a LAN? Any tips for best efficiency and smoothness?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: be on  a network that doesnt suck?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: its no different than anything else over vnc
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: a vpn and having your client local would probably be smoother
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: there are a few options on VNC that you can turn on and off
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yeah, it's just my home network, 100mbps so it's ok for speed. I've not used vnc in years though, a bit rusty on settings etc. I'm running from a quiet low powered machine to my noisy-fanned windows box in the other room.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: including ones that prevent it from polling the entire screen all the time -- those are the ones to look at
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: what OS are you using at the ends? 
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Slackware linux on the small client pc (mini-atx with a small quiet fan) and windows at the other end when I'm using mushclient, slackware at other times. Just experimenting, see if it's a viable way to do things.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Using tightvnc
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: linux is client? 
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: he didn't say linux was a client
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yep, linux client, windows or linux on the server depending what I'm doing
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: "linux is client?". Notice the ? mark. This denotes a question.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Breast Feeder Tech: actually denotes an interrogative statement
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's what happens when you miss out words in a sentence :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Breast Feeder coughs loudly.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: Is this a punctuation class? Note the interrogative sentence culminating in a question mark.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I think that there are a number of options then -- I use wine for mush (it works well)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Venomangel Tech: Lol Breast Feeder
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Breast Feeder snickers softly.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Virigoth Tech: Swalec are you using wine on a linux or mac for MUSH?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: for remove desktoping I use rdesktop from linux to windows, which performs better than VNC
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: linux and windows 
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it would be hard to imagine any combinate working badly when it's on a 100mbit lan
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: remote desktop would be the last
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: combination*
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I had problems with wine, mushclient caused x to use 100% cpu with nvidia closed-source drivers installed.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the new mush is fairly compute intensive, I am afraid, esp under wine
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: vnc is not really an optimal solution, again id say use VPN to tunnel and keep everything on the local box
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: sorry I should say, the new aard client
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: zmud and remote desktop works fine, for instance
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: worked fine without the nvidia drivers on, tried on both ubuntu and slack
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: and other windows apps worked ok even with the drivers, just seems to be mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yep, I used wor and so on off an old laptop, to my main desktop linux at home over wireless no worries
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: worth switching the windows emulation model around a bit -- the old version used to crash for me unless I had wine pretend to be Win 95
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if the problems with mush only happen with linux + certain drivers, why not run windows and use rd?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Breast Feeder Tech: Anyone use Untangle?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: might be worth trying, I think it's set as xp, however the main reason I'm playing with vnc is to move my noisy main pc out of my living room. I can't afford a new case atm (out of work) so I'm trying an interrim solution.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: and the case is whats noisy huh....
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: it couldnt like be a fan or something its probably the box
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yep, just got a new supposedly good new fan, which didn't seem to shift enough air (cpu temperature is average of 15 degrees c higher, near crashing point) and is noisier than the old one.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what on earth cpu is in it?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol fael
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just an athlon 2600, nice big roomy case, runs at 42 degrees normally, new fan made it run in the high 50s
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well that's not crashing point, that's fairly typical for the cpu type
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've had my machine crash when it gets much over about 50, just locks solid. Maybe there's some other problem there.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: celius is not permitted or allowed
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: probably
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's designed to run up to 80odd degrees
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: though clearly it'll least longer the cooler you keep it
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I don't get the old farenheit stuff, sorry :) We stopped using that for most stuff about 20 years ago here.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: we're behind the times here
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: you just double it and add 32
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you're supposed to be intelligent types, come on, f=1.6c+32
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: right
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: c = (f-32)/1.6
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rau Tech: 1.8, but yeah
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: its 1.8 yea
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: see? :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i just double on the fly
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I think I just need to buy a new pc, no cash at the moment though, trying to retrain myself so I can get work, I'm an ex-programmer, suffering with RSI, which rules a hell of a lot of things out.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: current economic climate? shelp stacking
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: or you can count cricket chirps for 15 seconds and add 37
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I can manage an hour or two at the computer a day but much more is painful
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: would you like a method of programming from lying flat on your back?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i would
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it would help me too
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've tried most remedies, medical or otherwise, tried using a trackball, expensive keyboard, switching mouse hands, doesn't really help. Accupuncture didn't work either.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what country are you based?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: UK
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: heh, me too
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and where does it get you? wrists?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: can i make an observation that helped me? it will cause soreness but use one of the squeezing grip things with springs.. it'll build strength back up in your arms over time. 
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: my problems are with trapezoid muscles in the shoulders/neck
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: started with sore hands and a bit in the wrists, affects upper arms and shoulders a bit now.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: found swimming helps a bit
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: exercise
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ultimately looking for a different career
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: you lumps
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: i do D:
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I can't swim :) Tried again a few years ago, but I have a massive fear of water
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: exercise doesn't pay the bills
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: it does if you're a trainer
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: with all the rhubarbing coming from the unions and left wing, it's a good time to get the hell out of the country, imho, lyte
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i read that coming from the unicorns
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: close enough
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: We should probably end this here, I think unicorns is getting a bit off-topic for tech. Thanks for all the suggestions guys :)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: unfortunately the combined wisdom from drs for rsi is: do less of the stuff that gives you rsi, and do more stuff that generally exercise the affected areas
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yep, my doctors sent me to a specialist who said they could operate but it would be as likely to worsen the problem as fix it, so I opted for no operation. The Doctors don't seem even slightly interested in doing anything either.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: of course not, they have budgets
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: and your insurance isn't likely to cover RSI... if you have such...
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which is why, rather than offer me 2 or 3 chiropractor or sports massage apptmts a week, they instead put me on some crazy tricyclic antidepressants
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: just exercise helps.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: no insurance here, tweakerbell, NHS - one health cover fits noboduy
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: dont take those pills
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: they will make you worse 
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: and get a new doctor for chrissake
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: or dont see one at all...
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: just what we need, tech's answer to eeyore!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: where do you think we are? USA?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: earth?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: So, why is this on Tech?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'm in the bedding in period with em, i.e all of the side-effects, none of the benefits
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: there are no benefits, you just get used to the side effects and lose your abbility to realize it
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you don't know that
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I did suggest we should end it, 'cos it's gone somewhat off-topic :)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: I would consider RSI a technical problem, wouldn't you?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Don't generalise like that, them TCAs can have quite startling results on uncontrolled pain, especially neurogenic pain.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: no but I've got a good reason to believe it
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: though fair, you'd want to exhaust the other conventional theraies first though.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: therapies*
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: well exactly
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what -are- the other conventional therapies?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: but TCA's also have huge side effects.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: of course the docs said screw that here are some pills
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: any any of you doctors?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: diet, exercise, healthy sleep habbits
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: ex-pharmacist.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: and dad's a GP.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: So, not quite, but enough. :P
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: seriously it isnt difficult just get off your ass and stop eating deepfried bacon stuffed chocolate donuts for breakfast and second breakfast
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I recommend narcotics.  *shrug*
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: but i like my breakfast of champions! 
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i know it was hard for me to give up the deepfried bacon donuts....
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, qcc
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: only trouble with the other conventional therapies is that they aren't available, or aren't practical, or both
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: its not available in my area not to be a lazy slob
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: we dont have gravity so exercise is out
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: O.o
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: I think it's obvious you live on a different planet, herodotus
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: well duh
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: we just hope it's one that's about to be dragged into the sun
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: where exercise and diet are looked to before pharmaceuticals
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: oh me too we havent had a holiday in ages!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Nah, not all probs like that can be treated by diet/exercise/etc. prevented, probably, but treatment mainly targets the pain and allows the body to heal.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you're making a huge assumption that everyone doesn't exercise and everyone has a bad diet
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and in this case your assumption is wholly wrong
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: didnt you say docs wouldnt schedule massages they just gave pills
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i dont make it up, look around yuo
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well we're not talking about the general public, we're talking about specific cases
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not everyone doesn't exercise and not everyone has a bad diet; not everyone has terrible diseases
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: therefore not exercising and having a bad diet gives you terrible diseases
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Not everyone has a rubber duck either. But they should.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn beams with pride.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus fluffles Fluffled Salvanas's fur mercilessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: -i- have a rubber duck
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: then you must be not everyone and have a terrible disease
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: See, you're doing something right already!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: <3 rubberducks!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and i have a penguin glove puppet
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus nods at an older red dragon whelp.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Unlike us, turning Tech into Debate(Health). Prob should stop now :)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: well thats probably the origin of your problem tigernuts
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas gallantly tips his hat.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus bows deeply.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: my solution is, when the contract is up, to be dependant on the state - that way the muscles that are afflicted will stop hurting
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: as is clearly obvious - repetetive strain? stop doing the repetition
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: democracy has failed - time to go back to a full monarchy
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nutrition Tech: who's gonna be the queen?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: oooh me!!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: ive always wanted to be queen
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: this might be a silly qestion but can i still seperate commands in mush client with a colon
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: by default its semicolon in mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: you can change it in world settings
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: go to Game->Configure-Commands and change your stacking char
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: ahh ok thank you
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: in mush client can you view an area map without having to be in that area
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: and there are more than 2 outside of clans
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: i'm using the aard mushclient and when i use the command gq check i get the message "AardGQ 'Send To' Window () NOT Open!" in color and on the main window
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've not seen that before
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Did you have a GQ plugin at one point?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, that window will probably open if you join a gq
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bizarro Sephiroth Tech: open the GQ window? :-P
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and then it wouldn't give an error
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: not that i know of and i was in a gq, made it hard to see what i needed to kill
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I assume the window name is what's supposed to go in the ()
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you have some leftover cruft from a gq plugin that doesn't exist anymore
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: You're using stock MUSHclient from site? I don't think that has an GQ plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it doesn't
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you copy over your old world file instead of using the one provided by the package?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because you probably have some old gq aliases or triggers
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: yep, Aardwolf_GQuest_SeparateLUA plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: so disable it?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: A quick fix is to close mush, open Aardwolf.mcl and comment out the plugin line for that plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: get rid of that and find a new gq plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that is actually a long fix
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: or just...click disable in the plugins window...
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the quick fix is to remove it using the plugins window
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: disabled, should i delete it?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Disables aren't saved on reopen afaik
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's really no point in disabling plugins unless you plan to re-enable them
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: can't check gq check, but gq info looks like it should now
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: np
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: try 'gq ch', I have the campgin plugin and treast 'cp ch' different from 'cp check' which updates my window
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: and it treats*
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: both repond with the same info
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Where is the cp plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I got mine tech got mine at http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/plugins/Aardwolf/
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Seems to work, given it's age
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Aardwolf_Campaign_Noter_v2.xml
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bast has one
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that is probably better
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you like following instructions
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I had to update that one to get colors working the way I wanted 
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: what's a good public blogging platform these days? still wordpress ? i dont want to fool around setting it up on a server myself
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Use the IPhone? Lol
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nutrition Tech: facebook
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nutrition Tech: snicker
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: people still blog?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: get the Motorola Atrix, then you can play on a laptop
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: never heard of those, i'll check them out
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: anyone using a Dlink 655 router?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've got a dlink 825?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: if the computer services department at my company is watching bandwich usage, will there be that great of a discrepancy between the bandwith I use playing Aardwolf and that of streaming internet radio?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: grats?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: radio uses more than aardwolf
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: nice, thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: By alot :p
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: esp with compression
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oladon perks up, something must have grabbed her attention.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: what about Aard and viewing of webpages?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: alot of bandwidth!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Depends on the page
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's a fat alot
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: mediaheavy pages like cnn.com
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oladon sniggers at Ol' Dirty Fiendish's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but if they told you that you're not allowed to play games over it, you're still in breech ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: use lynx to look at web pages, you're not going to use a lot of bandwidth then :)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: uless you use a VPN or remote desktop to another machine like i do
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if they are concerned about bandwidth, they are probably able to see exactly which sites you're going to.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: can't use other browsers than Internet Explorer
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Loremaster Ramuthalus nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: If you type 'mccp' you'll see how much you have used this session
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you don't understand technology, and you're concerned that playing aardwolf might be against your company rules, then DON'T DO IT
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: nahhhhh
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and if they are going to that much trouble, there's probably a policy that includes "do it and you're fired." or something similar in it, if they haven't already completely shut it down so you can't.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: .. only if they can detect it...
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they can
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: nah, no one's been fired because of it
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: your corporate IT policies (or HR policies) should explain proper use of company equipment and property
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: A lot of traffic to a single IP address everyday, all day, easy to spot
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: they all say don't play Aardwolf, we're all clear on that
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Just be carefull with it, would suck to lose a job over aard
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: regardless of whether anyone has, it's far better to get the okay first instead of ending up the first person they enact on.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Sure same thing on your radio, but they chekc the ip address and see it's not a radio station and you're busted
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: I'm not gonna, just gonna blame it on Internet Radio
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: On the other hand, you'd then have plenty of time to spend on here.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: aard id everthing, jobs are just a way to be able to eat to play aard
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: time at last position: 2 months.... reason for leaving: aardwolf
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the general consensus is that if you're at work, you ought to be working
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Don't forget to donate!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: and when you've run out of work to be doing?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: go ask for some more, or go home
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: run...out of...work?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Ask your boss for me?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does not compute
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: work slower
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: apparently you don't work for the government
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: What kind of wierd job runs out of work to work on
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: apparently -you- don't work for -our- government
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if I had employees playing aardwolf at the office, I'd fire them for it
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I don't really claim ownership to the Govt
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: or be incredibly good, so your boss has to conform to your wishes :)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so you have successfully made the case for public sector job cuts, what next? :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: old if you could catch them :P
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: companies are taking it a step farther than that, Tiger.  Some will fire employees for using company computers to access private-life stuff like email, buying flowers online for your wife (for Valentine's Day!), or even just generic online computer usage while on break/lunch.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: haha, yea that was my intention....
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: provided that's made clear, dokkar, that's perfectly fair
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: WinkleWinkle: short of an encrypted tunnel, it's not hard to catch.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: it's all dependent on company policies
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that's what i'm using :D
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and even that can be monitored
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: we have clients with skine tone monitors, keystroke loggers,...
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: all of that extra stuff can be blamed on the Fantasy sports phenomenon that peaked a year or two ago.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Goto your boss and say I have no work, can I go home, see how irate he gets.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: But I've never heard of a company that limits bandwidth without watching the data
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: or just continue to play Aardwolf...not piss anyone off, and go home at a normal time
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Even Staples free wifi is monitored
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I wouldn't fire employees for playing games when there is no work.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I would fire you as a boss for not making people work while on the clock :p
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if there is no work, they should fire themselves for overstaffing
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm wayyy ahead of scedule and need downtime to think about problems
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: I don't think they're limiting bandwith, there's just rumors around the department that the reason everything is running slower is because people use more and more bandwith and they were going to do something about it
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Is it that you think there's no work? Or have you asked for work to do?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Now if there's deadlines to make and during that time someone spents a significant % of the time requesting 'fun' pages itd be different :p
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Where do you work Tenlorn?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: for the County
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: IT work?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But I assume it's a big company with strict rules :(
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Data entry?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: we're at our computers all day, lots of data processing and contract management 
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: time to go through the "shake it" tray
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oladon used to go to Office Depot as a kid and reboot their test machines into BIOS and set startup and BIOS passwords...
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar laughs out loud.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Awesome..
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I hate people like Oladon!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But if your coding all day, I wouldn't mind employees taking breaks, up to a certain point they actually perform better.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: they had Office Depots back then? :P
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Just be thankful you have a job AND you can play aardwolf, there are starving children with neither
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Just on policy
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle nod Aduin
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: and there are rich white dudes who make 10 times what I do while doing nothing
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that was just after they invented railways, dokkar
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Oladon is an evil kid that likes to torment techs.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: The starving children are normal, I'd be more worried about the well fed children who eat human flesh :)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: It's okay, I got my dues... became a tech for a few years at a later time :P
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle is agreeing with that Loremaster Ramuthalus person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: they aren't eating humans, they're eating recycled cow, pig, and chicken.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Someone asked me yesterday If I could make their black and white copy come out in color again
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: delicious human flesh
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Anyway, back to real job now.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: they were adamant that it was a black and white copy of a color picture
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kinjin falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: and I should put it thru the color machine to make it colored again
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: All the data's still stored on the page, right?!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lmfao
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: just hand it back to them and say "Done!"
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i love stupid people!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: My favorite is still 'I broke my computer's cup holder'.... (cd tray)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: "wheres the any key?"
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Loremaster Ramuthalus bursts into tears.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if they complain, just say it's as black as you can get it on that machine.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Also, How often do you think people come in to make a fax, and dial 9 for outside line, and 11 for an international fax...
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: that is epic
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I've only ever had people ask first, not just assume
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: My monitor's colours keep messing up each time I adjust my seat. How do I fix it?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Augh, stop being distracting, people... I've got work to do!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: guess you Office Depot folks have a lot more exposure to that kind of stupid than I do, though
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Same at staples
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: heh, I wonder if Staples/Office Max/Office Depot all started from the same parent company losing disgruntled/motivated employees?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Heh, staples is like the place where all displaced retail managers end up after loosing a job
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: home despot, Office max, office despot, Best buy, Radio shack, circut city...
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: heh, cupholders and computers... it always reminds me this strip: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030722&mode=classic
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Like 40% of local mangement is from circut city
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: quick question about firefox.  My banks website used to be setup with extra security on my laptop, and recently its asking me again if I want to add extra security, but it does it every time now even if I select yes, like its not saving the cookie or something
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: So I have to enter all my extra answers like I'm using a public computer
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if your client prevents the writing or saving of cookies, that happens
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: That would explain it normally, but I've been using firefox for it for years, and it only recently started
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Got any new plugins, like noscript or anything?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: cookies can also be corrupted.  When this happens, you just have to delete the cookie and try again.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: No, I reskinned, but no other plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: remember: anything that writes data to file (ie, your HDD), can do it wrong.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Let me try that
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: If you login, tell it to save, logout, and go back to login, without closing the browser, so it skip the extra questions?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: so it = does it
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I don't want it to skip it, I want to enable it, Its my bank account Dood :p
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Do you know where firefox stores it cookie files?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: %APPDATA%/Mozilla/Firefox/Profiles/ , but I think the newer version uses a sqllite database file
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: sqlite is awesome
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Could be a cross-domain cookie that's being blocked, if that's the case you'd have to find out what exceptions to add
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Well, its on my trusted site list
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if it's redirecting you, the new site might not be on that list as well.  Think that's what he's saying.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: many banks utilize multi sub-domains for their online banking, and sometimes a block can happen, somtimes you can solve it, sometimes it's something the bank programmer hve to fix.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: that would suck
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: do you have nofol on?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: mischan
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I'd suggest googling it, if it's a popular bank, or contacting their online banking support
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Have you tried the same thing in IE/Chrome to see if they work there?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I've never used chrome, and I dislike IE, should I try it in another browser?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Chrome is fantastic
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: It might help narrow it down to browser-specific vs problem on their end
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: really fat.. and catchign up to FF with addons
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Thats the google browser?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hehe fat = fast
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i don't trust Chrome
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: too shiney
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Chrome is Google's browser yes
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: I'll try chrome and see what happens then
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Removing the cookie didn't seem to work
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: However I'm not sure if I got the right cookie
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: If it works in Chrome, then you know the problem is in FF
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: If it doesn't, it doesnt help you much ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: The site works at intended with chrome
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: What version of FF?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: 3.6.13
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Up to date I think
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Yea it is... if you don't mind blowing alway all your cookies, you can try that... Tools -> Clear Recent Histroy, select Everything from dropdown, checkbox cookies only
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ramuth, check to see if the website is using something like www.bank.com for the main site, but have images on a separate server...even things like bank.com vs www.bank.com will be treated differently
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ok, FF works fine now too, I guess it was a cookie problem after all
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Thanks for the help, Altho I kinda like chroms UI
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Chrome is pretty minimal, you can get FF looking the same though ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Is there a chrome skin?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: you, google Chrome Skins
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: i met with the weirdest problem on my mushclient - i somehow managed to push my main mud screen into a corner and i can't seem to drag it anymore, b'cos the top is covered by the taskbar
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Chrome is quite good, and I'm hoping Chrome Frame plug-in for IE starts being manidatory ;p would make doing sites much easier ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: a what?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the mush taskbar or the windows taskbar?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: You can unlock and move the taskbar.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: my mini-window has double stuck at 2 minutes
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right click down at the bottom on the mushclient icon in the windows task bar and select "Move"
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: perpetual double stuck at 2 minutes? sounds like a good thing(tm)
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "my mini-window" doesn't tell us much
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Its basts Miniwin plugin for Double
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: the standard miniwin plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there is no "standard miniwin plugin"
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: wow, i really want to ask for help
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Matt, try typing resetaard
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: wow resetaard worked
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: thx
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: score one for team planahead
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: felt stupid for quite a while, stuck screen lol
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I had same thing when switching resolutions, dunno if there's a better fix
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: A beter fix would be to submit the error so that coders can recode the plugins :0
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what error?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: All teh errorz!
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: it's not really an error, if you make you a mini-window too big, there's no way to scrol to get to the corner to resize
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mattpan Tech: yep thats exactly it
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: You can move the window off screen and much as you can and try to get to the resizer, but not always possible
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the miniwindows in the client package have some protection against that, but not if you then go and change your display resolution
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daak nods at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Or copy the config from one computer to another with drastically different resolutions
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: There a way to create an alias/trigger via text input in MUSHclient, in zmud you could do #alias foo bar, anything similar?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you can make aliases pretty easy in mush
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: True, but I'm lazy and like command-line commands to do easy stuff ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: If it's easy enough, you could do a server-side alias
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daak nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Curi Tech: anyone have experience with the mutt mail client?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Never heard of it.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Only 12 years or so...
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: Was that the end of the question?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: How do I match a * in mushclient without using regex?
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Use regex :(
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: haha, I could this is true, guess I don't have any option.
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: anyone into MIPS know why .extern ext1 0x4 is declaring ext1 0x10000000 while $gp is pointing to 0x10008000?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: can anyone reccomend a decent inventory plugin that will put inventory in a miniwindow? found a thread on the mushclient site listing one but its an old thread and looks like it was discontinued
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: what is the difference between cmud and cmud pro?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: probly a few extra features in pro. not sure. i use mush since i cant justify the cost of cmud
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: hahaha only differnce is ssh support and new mapper scripting thats not even implamented yet
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: to be honest the whole cmud thing is a bit of a rip off in my opinion. zmud was worth it. but 40 dollars is a LOT of cash in my currency and to pay for every upgrade is a joke. mush does pretty much everything cmud does, its free and it has a much larger communbity developer base from what i've seen.
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: can get plugins for pretty much anything you want in mush but googling for any form of plugin / extension for cmud yields almost no results
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i tried cmud for a few days, returned it and changed to mush :/
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i cant stand mush i never could`
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: only thing cmud does better is the mapper but give fiendish a couple more weeks and even that will change
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: fiendish has made the mush mapper pretty damn good now
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: to each his own. to me i just find i can do more with mush than i ever could with zmud
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: better than an untweaked cmud mapper anyway
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and more customizable, i don't think you can even edit the code for cmud mapper
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: zmud is the norton antivirus of the mud world
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: only thing i am waiting anxiously for is that mapper opens doors but fiendish says thats coming so im happy. passdoor works ok for now
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: anyone used trigger sequences in mush before?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ok givin mush a try any clue why when i try to maximize the screen it doesnt fully maximize??
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: morning i have a question about mush... anybody here be able to give me some advise?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: ask fiendish or bast
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: thanx
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: depends on the question
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: well i am using ver 4.71... but thinking about trying the new aard ver.. is their i file that i need to copy over to keep all my aliasses and macro's and if so what file is it
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: or does it get saved by the world file
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: there is a file... trying to remember which one
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: it gets saved in aardwolf.mcl. open both in a text editor and copy the aliases/triggers sections across
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: thanx will be much appreciated :)
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: it is in the worlds folder
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: might also want to copy the macros/keypad sections if you use those
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: my world file is on my desktop
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Deepred Tech: im using mush client how do i set a triger
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Game->Configure->Triggers will get you to the right place 
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: After that, it depends on exactly what you want to do.
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Deepred Tech: i want to do it like this triger is dead skin cloak
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: select add, put is dead in the trigger and put skin cloak in the output
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Deepred Tech: i found the trigers field but not the output field
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Deepred Tech: any help i just got the client
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: go read the help file
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Deepred Tech: the triger isent working
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Deepred Tech: in wich field should i type what i want the triger to do
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeilhuitl Tech: when i search on google. my editbox(where i type the search) disappears, im running firefox without addons and it does this(once i log out of gmail the problem disappears.) what do?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: anyone know where a good site to  find uptodated plugins for mushclient 
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kneferilis Tech: How do I make a mini window resizable? I want to make the inventory plugin resizable
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you probably want someone like Fiendish or Bast to answer mush questions, and they don't appear to be about right now
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Short answer, you don't without some intimitate knowledge of how miniwindows work and how to change the code involving them.
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/list    and http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/downloads/list
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: my non-mush miniwindows resize automatically on dragging the corners
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: mine as well
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which goes to show that client communism isn't always the best policy
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Tigernuts: Which client do you have?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: zmud
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I was thinking of developing/mainting a tintin version for linux users like Fiend does for mush, but it sounds like work to me.
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jhav wants to share his laziness. Will you help?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Anyone know why this match pattern won't remove all the gnome-terminal ASCII color codes from a text file for sed? --> s/^[[[0-9]
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: lacks escapes for [?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: rather --> s/\^\[\[[0-9];[0-9]*m//g
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: unless that got cutoff it isnt properly formed
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ah, also
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ^[ is a single escape character
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: use the command 'col' instead
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: 0x1B
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Col doesn't seem to be working either, it definitely doesn't show the color, but it still shows the color sequence
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: for the ^[ character, try pressing ctrl-v and then escape when you do the command. That should do it.
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: any ideas as to what the mush gmcp mapper will work on the main port but when i open a second world runnin at the same time it will not load on test port there is a post on tech with the full error
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you trying to open the same map db twice?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: is there a way to have them both working at the same time?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'd say no
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if you make a copy of the db though, it would probably work
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: set up a audiable notification when i get a quest
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: mt
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol i just did that today
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: very useful while working
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: aye ive been over on the test port had one for cmud just switched to mush
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i feel all dirty
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol 
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Updating the client from the original version and the webssite says all my triggers and aliases are in the mcl file...but I can't find it where it says it was. Any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when it says triggers and aliases, it's only referring to ones which you made under game -> configure -> triggers/aliases, not ones which were associated with any plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mcl file will be in worlds, within the mushclient program's folder
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: right...those are the ones I want, like my alias for 'cs' is cure serious three times fast.
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you had customized where that world .mcl file lives, you can see the location by going to file -> global preferences, world tab
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: stock one from fiendish should be .\worlds\Aardwolf.mcl
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for relative URLs, it's starting from where mushclient itself lives (I believe)
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Hmm, says it's there. I guess I'll have to hunt them down or just forget about it
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: do you start up mushclient from an alias, like on the desktop or in the start menu?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: From the desktop until now. I managed to migrate them the old fashioned way, cut and paste between versions
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you right-click the desktop shortcut and go to properties, that will let you open file location to see where the old mushclient really lives
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tlaloc nods. 
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but yeah, mush nicely has that 'copy' button in the trig definition window that copies the whole xml definition
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Now I just need to uninstall the old one
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: and figure out why it is telling me coords every time I move
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: 'tag coords off'?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tags coords off
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: all under 'tag'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I wonder why I noticed it between version changes, though that worked
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: here here! 13 or 14 years and i still haven't tiered
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you were looking for differences, or your old version had a plugin that used the coords and hid them from view
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: mis!
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Likely the second
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Anyone knows their way around LaTeX?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Kinky :P
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: who doesnt like to be dominated by a hottie from time to time
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: tip: don't push the straw all the way up their noses if you don't want to deal with blood.
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I know the theory OF tex, but I don't actually use it. What do you need to know?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Are MUSHClient plugins loaded into memory or read from the file at each call? In other words can you edit and save the plugin file on the fly, or does it have to be reloaded somehow.
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: it has to be reloaded from the "plugins" menu
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Metria, I need a way to draw horizontal huffman trees without nodes
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Preferably easily (=
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sorry, way out of my experience range
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: no problemo
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: any suggestions fro changing the colors in the communication log? I have the imm channel visible in the main window by changing red to coral colored, but it doesn't convert to the comm log
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: which client?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: which client?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: mix
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Newest version of Mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone know anything about running linux framebuffer apps?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Is there any way to see what triggers, etc. a plugin has created in MUSHClient other than reading the file?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, they're just in the file
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The only way I know of is to read the file
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: perhaps you could write a plugin that reads the file for you and reports the contents in a nice, easy-to-read format?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you could select the triggers part of the file, hit copy, open up a clean mushclient, go to game -> configure -> triggers and paste, then look at the list
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Don'tneed to open a clean mushclient, just open a blank world
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: Does anyone know what I might do to get the group box to show. It has never shown.
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is the group package enabled (group 1)?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is the plugin installed?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: are you in a group?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ndym, it didn't exist until this week...have you JUST downloaded a new client?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: I'm in a group, how do I enable the group package?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NdymionNokti Tech: ah, that's what is different we couldn't figure out why ours was different
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ours?
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: we?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: who do I get to thank for this gorgeous new version of the aardwolf mud client?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You can thank me if you want.. I had nothing to do with it, but you can still thank me.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: fiendish is the guilty party i believe
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Hmm, Fiendish, bast, dunno, check the project list
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Nick Gammon for Mushclient, and Fiendish, Spartacus, Lasher, etc for the plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: Well thank you all, I'm still trying to take it all in. The aardwolf log in the background is bad***
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: logo*
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hah
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think it's funny that that's the part you like best :)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Who did the logo?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can only fix bugs after they get reported :)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: sounds like it is then ^^
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I didn't say I liked that best, just that its badass. The dark/black color scheme matches the rest of my desktop perfectly :)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Guess I should upgrade, mapper should speed up my quest im guessing ^^
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: fiendish can i make a suggestion? your stats mini window, can you change that slightly. i prefer basts one just because it lists trains/pracs as well and also gold in bank. just gives a little more info
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Ouch
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so use bast's?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: not a biggie im just saying. im a stats/info freak like having everything
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: erm
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: change the font
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't even use the stats window, personally.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think it's a waste of screen space already :)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: think i was misunderstood there. i meant i like the bast info better as there is more of it. can never have too much info. i did not mean there is anything wrong with fiendish's one
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but I have a pretty small screen
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Ya I tried one of the earlier bast versions with the gmcp, on a laptop, not enough room for all the windows
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Sheni: I'm not aware of any bugs in the latest development release at http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/files/MUSHclient.zip
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Nice, sounds like its rdy for me to try ^^
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: 14070 if you really want to get technical.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: mis.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone using the new mush? why is the info channel not being captured in the communications log?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: And how to make it so, please?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: right click on communications log and go to capture other and select info to add it
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: ah thanks =D
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Quick response. Know why the Bast autohunt plugin might not work for me? It sends one direction and then stops with no message.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does your prompt end with %c?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: not a clue. does the same on my side
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: make sure your prompts end with %c
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Ah, no. Will try that, thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: mine does
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: not sure why but the autohunt plugin doesnt send more than one direction. my prompt is right with %c at end and promptflags are off as well. been doing it for a while now. i just use the old original swalec one that i have updated 
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Thanks Fiendish, I meant to try the basic troubleshooting steps before asking. But stii, with %c at end of both prompts, promptflags off, and global tags on, autohunt still sends one direction and stops with no message. I am thinking some setting like command echo?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: dunno then. I don't use autohunt.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Ive never had autohunt work right, I just macro it, set the mob and spam it on and off
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Thanks, I had a simplistic one, I'll reimplement it here.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: it works between 2-6 times or so for me then stops 
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: with the mapper the way it works now, i just mapper area <room> and then im there. no need to autohunt and way faster than autohunt as well
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: H4x !
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: drool...
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: fiendish gave me the hax so its ok
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Meh Ima need to stop leveling at some point and start downloading
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: its a pain in the rear end to map out some areas but once in mapper its a doddle to get to anywhere
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: just need a script to change mob names into rooms
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: would be nice on gqs and cps
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I have one
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but that will not be put into the client
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Hehe damn ><
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: somebody a few months ago started work on an inventory plugin that im quite keen on, just cant remember for the life of me who it was
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's in the mushclient forums
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: thats an old thread. last post in it was july last year stating it doesnt work. unless im looking at the wrong thread
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Does it use gmcp? The one I have at least is full of triggers that watch for get/drop etc. I thought with gmcp it should be easier and also wondered if anyone updated it.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: an event driven drag and drop inventory system would be awesome :)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: inventory stuff doesn't have a gmcp part...but invmon works well for inventory plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: If im using pre-gmcp MUSH, and was updating can I save all the alias/macro/trigger/etc... and pop it right in the new one ?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read the section on upgrading 
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: at http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: linked from main Aard page ?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it has details about that
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: k tks
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but use the zip archive from the link I posted earlier
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it has bugs fixed
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Last question..., Does the mapper only do runto's from recall or will it runto from any room? Such as if you were at the start of say Ddoom can you runto another room without going to recall, mapper ddoom sunset ?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it will do that, though there's no provision yet for narrowing a search to a room in an area other than the one you're in
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: i have used it to run from a room in onyx bazaar to a room in hatchling aerie
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: wow, nice
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but if you know the exact room name, you can go directly to it
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: was on a room cp and just ran from room to room. took about 20 mins for the cp
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: so for a CP, runto area, where mob, mapper area room
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: something like that
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: yep and if you use the hunt trick plugin its even easier rt area, ht mob, mapper area room
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: omg lol
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Might actually have QPs to spend ^^
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: hunt trick plugin actually makes it a bit too easy
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: hai. i'm using the mush that was posted on the website a while back.. i'm thinking about upgrading it but i really don't want to lose all my aliases. is there a way to move these?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: send fiendish or bast a note
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: if you mean from the 'new' aardmush to the upgrade with mapper features added, the note mentioned a link about that i think
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: no note needed. look on the aardwolf site. there are instructions for copying them accross. or just read the note in announce about the new version to get the url to go straight to the upgrade instructions page
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: board announce, note read last for the note
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: i read the stuff on the website. i just want to make sure that my aliases will be included in the move
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: you need to copy your aliases from the old aardwolf.mcl file to the new one
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: what file should i copy?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: if you open aardwolf.mcl in a text editor you will find all your aliases/triggers etc listed there. you need to copy them to the new aardwolf.mcl file
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: there's a section on upgrading client
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: do NOT copy the whole file as it will be for an older version of mush and i dont know how it will react
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: just follow the instructions
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: yes, i've read it, it doesnt say anything about transferring aliases.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: what redryn said
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i copied the whole file, it worked for me
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: i read it.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: whole file as in what?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ctrl-c, ctrl-v
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: no - what is the file called, or an approximate name, or where it is found?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: aardwolf.mcl....
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it is stated on the website
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: aardwolf.mcl it is usally in the worlds subdirectory
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: just make a backup of the directory and do as per the website says
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: he's got the wholllle world, in his world's directory
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: thanks kindly
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: thanks for Adobe for breaking BBC iPlayer website
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: oh dear, has telnet_options.lua gone from the latest version of MUSHclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: th at'll learn ya
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: in what sense?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: I don't suppose there is a way to make the MUSHClient Configuration window nonmodal?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: not without the source code there wouldn't be
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've ben annoyed my that myself about 20 times
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Today? :)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hehe
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish chuckles politely.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can suggest it on the mushclient forums
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: swalec: uh, telnet_options.lua is still there. it's in the plugins folder instead of the lua folder.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and for everyone before, copying the whole Aardwolf.mcl file will work just fine
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it just won't have minor improvements like disabling autosay and automatically loading the group plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's no problem with using a slightly older world file
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the version number inside just gets updated
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Is there any easy way to make GUI wrapper that i could bundle certain windows together to open the same way running the same thing each time? IE, make 5 terminals all open up at the exact same time, in the same position, tailing or whatever i tell them to, and be able to maximize, minimize, etc it the same way, under linux?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you find a way to do that, please let me know. That'd be insanely useful.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: <-- windows guy
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: easy to make a set of them to open up placed where you want, doing what you want...they wouldn't minimize together, though
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Well, i know i can use gnome-terminall --geometry to set the size/position, but i want them to minimize and such as one entity
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use virt screens
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: switching screens effectively minimizes that set
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: But you could put them in a separate workspcae, no?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I would if it weren't for the ugly white band across the screen from them
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at Arnica.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nods, that's a possibility i suppose
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ok, then so to expand on that, is there any way to display a grid of sorts for my screen so i don't have to guess/check where it's going to spawn at?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you made a grid, you could set that to your wallpaper.. That's the low-tech way to do it though.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use xwininfo...make 1 xterm, size/move it how you want it, then xwininfo it
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Is there a gnome-terminal equivalent of xwininfo?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger likes gnome-terminal better than xterm.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's an X command, not specific to xterm, I just used that as an example
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: thought it was an xterm command
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you type xwininfo, then click on the x win(dow) that you want the info on
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Cool, thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Is there a command line way to minimize? maybe i can have the script do a funciton to min them all too
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: minimizing is a function of the window manager
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cheez, http://www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin/blog/2004/12/wmctrl_shade_move_resize_windo.html and http://tomas.styblo.name/wmctrl/ describe a tool that sounds like it'll do just what you want
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Awesome! Thanks abe.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Will look here shortly when all the double is done with
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Anyone having luck with the CP miniwindow?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: i downloaded one that works pretty good
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: it just lists the mobs in a box though, doesnt highlite them in your area...i wish i knew where one that did that was :)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/plugins/Aardwolf/Aardwolf_Campaign_Noter_v2.xml works well, there's better
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Bast has a good one I hear
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: finger Bast for his site
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: is it worth upgrading to the new edition of aardmush btw? any experience to share on that one?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I did, but I was on v4.4 so it was way behind ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: im procrastinating on learning how to do it :P
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: If you don't have anything fancy, you can just save out your aliases/triggers to a file, and import them into the new version
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: is that save world details as?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: CTRL+SHIFT+9
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: CTRL+SHIFT+9
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Save
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: would that save rooms explored and that sort of thing too?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: CTRL+SHIFT+8 for triggers
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: That is the Aardwolf.db file in the world folder, I think, not 100%
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: You need to close mush to back it up though
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: nods
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: appreciate the help, i see how u save that stuff
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: You CAN use your existing Aardwolf.mcl instead, but you lose some new features, so said Fiendish
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: i like new features
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: mgrin
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: if you save your alias/triggers out, and copy your Aardwolf.db, i think that's it, but don't kow for sure
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: why can i sometimes save chunks of script as xml and sometimes only as a firefox document?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: if the file is .xml firefox will show it as an xml document, you can just press CTRL+U (view source)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: and copy from there
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'd use Save
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and sve the xml docment
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: just like you would a web page
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: if it's just to copy into another window, saving first is a waste of time
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: In MUSHClient, how do I get a handle on a piece of gmcp data to use in an alias (not a script alias)? Like echo gmcp.room.info.num, for example
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a pretty watered down script to check out would be my warfare gag script...it grabs your level from gmcp
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Does that just gag wars you can't combat in?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: only looks at level, so wouldn't gag clan wars if you're nopk or unclanned, but cuts down on the spam (and lets you set a color for warfare messages)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Thanks, I grepped some plugins and got the gmcpval thing.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ok, so i have a gnome-terminal tailing my gmcp.group text file that's being logged for group status, i do #system {/dev/null > ~/tintin/group} to clear it, but the info still remains in the terminal, is there anyways to externally execute the bash "clear" inside the terminal without losing focuse in my current file?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: I need to get kubuntu off of a laptop and winXP on in it's place. any thoughts?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: tried a winxp install disc and it says there's no hdd...
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so put in a hdd
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: It needs a hard drive first :)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: sorry, it has a hdd. but for whatever reason it's not being seen by the xp cd
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just dump some empty lines into it when you want it to be blank
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: that's terribly hackish abe
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, that's what i'm doing now
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: did you wipe the drive or just delete everything?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You wonder why . o O (  ) Habasi slammed FootLong Cheezburger's head with a mallet.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Define buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Basically it's #system {/dev/null > ~/tintin/group}\;#line log {\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n} {~/tintin/log}
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: habs, technically using tail -f is hackish to begin with ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Do you still have linux kernel on the HD
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tail -f isn't meant to be "cleared"
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: I changed nothing. it's running kubuntu flawlessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, AFAIK i can't use COM communication on linux like zmud/cmud does, or i would
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: if there's a forum I can look around in I'll be happy to do that. just dunno where to start
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Your tring to make a Dual boot system or change the OS totally?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: single. trying to remove kubuntu and run xp solo
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Unless you scrubed the drive its still set up for Linux Kernel
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: correct
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: WinXP uses NTFS or FAT32
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: ntfs
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Scrub the drive and try again
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: should still be able to see the hdd regardless of the filestructure
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: how
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: DL a drive srubber
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: and I've had trouble reading HDD with different file structures before, dunno why
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: the sad part is I've setup dual boot machines before but that was fedora. ok I'll look around
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Linux will see an NTFS/FAT32 drive, but XP sucks
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: I agree but he wants xp and he's familiar with it
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Loremaster Ramuthalus nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Just scrub and try again
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What does "scrubbing" a drive actually do?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: its just slang for randomizing all the bits
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}. o O (  ) Habasi Tech: linux is wonderful if you know how to use it, but...
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: which basically is erasing it
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Instead of erasing the data and keeping the file structure, it erases all data from head to head
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ohh. Why randomizing? It's way easier to zero it than to generate enough random numbers (=
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: the drives partition info is still stored on a formated drive, thats why its called "format" and not "erase"
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i dont really remember why... something i never bothered to really understand from computer engineering seminar xP
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Its like taking a file cabinet and dumping all the files on the ground, you can put them back however you want, instead of putting them back where they go
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: well normally "erasing" something just deleted its table links... nothing is done to the data. scrubbing is randomizing it so not only is it truly erased but its also difficult to tell where it was and thereby infer its contents
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: thats about as well as i understand it now
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Partition info can be "fixed" by scrubbing/erasing the first 512 bytes of the drive, the MBR (=
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Loremaster Ramuthalus nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus nods at Cizra.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Right, but I find it easier to scrub
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loremaster Ramuthalus Tech: Also more secure if people care about that kinda thing
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: im personally a little paranoid and scrub
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: because im the kind of guy that likes to take forensic software to used drives i pick up on ebay xP
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tensaw Tech: anyone know how to get the spellups plugin to work with the new aard MUSH client?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bast has instructions on his website
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: for using his spellup plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tensaw Tech: when I copy over the plugin from my old world file it just doens't work basically
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: make sure that your prompts both end in %c and that you don't have promptflags enabled
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: actually, didn't Lasher fix that already?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: yep thats been fixed
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe promptflags has
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but you still need to add %c
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, if you have a prompt ending in %c, then promptflags will be before it rather than breaking it by being after it and remaining unterminated
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: anyone know of a good spellup script for tintin? prefer one that uses gmcp.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Can't use GMCP for spellups
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: ahh didnt realize they hadnt added spells yet.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although a good spellup script should use GMCP to know when you're in a state where you can cast ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if position = 3 and have fair amount of mana and in a room that's not nomagic, then cast
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, #if { == 3} {nother if {nother if {cast this}}}
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, #if {$GMCP[CHAR][STATUS][position] == 3} {nother if {nother if {cast this}}}
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, you have to watch for certain transitions... you don't want to spellup when it goes from 12 to 3
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I certainly want to cast spellup spells when it goes from 12 to 3
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: my zmud has 2 windows. one main (maximised) and one smaller for channels (from fiendish) every thing i switched windows to another program and back, the active is always the small channel window. is there a way to set the default as my main window?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: window focus is based on the last operation done, which in ZMud consists of the #WINDOW command, #CAPTURE command, :windowname:stuff, and windowname:stuff.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if I remember right, :windowname:stuff is the only way to do stuff to windows without changing focus.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in closing, no, there's no way to set window focus to some specific window for ALT-TAB purposes.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: oh yes focus is the right word. 
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: actually on my netbook (win xp) alt tab and back it goes back to the last focused window
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: also, just because you are in a different program doesn't mean your scripts stop working.  If your window focus ended up in a different window than it was in last time, it was probably because of a script.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: only on my laptop. (win 7) I am thinking it might be some of the issues with zmud on newer windows version
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: i dont have any script except for the chan window to filter all chan out if thats even considered a script
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it is
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: anything you see in the Settings Editor is considered a script.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: but oh well i can live with that. just that whenever i alt tab i need to click to focus main window before i can type anything
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Massacrer Macbeth nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: thanks (:
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: It's the only Redneck Sport
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: mischan
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, gmcp.group doesn't update the 'leader' field when you group promote.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Can anyone confirm this?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Neverming, scripting error on my part.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: anyone know how to set up a client side gag for mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: make trigger, check "omit from output" box
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: 0h 4
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: oops
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: and just put whatever i dont want to see in the trigger name box?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What trigger name box?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note that the default matching style is glob, unless you check the regular expression checkbox
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: oh ok. and what should i put in send to?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nothing
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You're making this a lot more complicated than it has to be
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: lol im sorry.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Put the stuff to match in the "Trigger" box, and click "Omit from Output", then STOP
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, then click OK ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Right, what he said
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: i dont convert it?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: never convert it
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: either make a glob or make a regexp, never convert
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: ok idk wtf a glob is
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: glob is always anchored, and uses * for wildcard
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I think you can use ? to match a single character in glob, too
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I could be wrong on that though
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so if you type "You are thirsty", it would have to match the ENTIRE line unless you used * at the beginning and the end
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No, you'd just need * at the end.. It's anchored, remember?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: whereas regular expressions can match partial lines and you have to work to anchor them
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: oh ok...so if i wanted it to block out something someone said i would have to use * and * ? so like *popcorn*
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: That would gag any line with the word popcorn in it
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, but ignore handles that already
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: no it doesnt
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: why are you just not using ignore?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: but thank you! thats what i want.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: i am using ignore. i dont want to his name on -h or on my ftalk from others.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It wouldn't use word boundaries though.. *popcorn* matches "popcorn" "popcorns" "123popcorn456"
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it wouldn't just gag things that they say, it'll gag anywhere that the text exists, including someone else using their name, including them attacking you in a war, etc
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: damn lol, who is it ?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: thats fine. thats what i want.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: they dont need to exist ever again.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Remember the good old days years ago when someone let it slip they had someone gagged, and we could all talk about them on public channels just by including the name somewhere in what we said? Good times.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, much better that you do that than you grow up...
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: wow, not to let them exist anywhere
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: lol :P
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: sounds evil
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: what happens if you get PKd by someone you gagged... lol invisible death
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup sheni
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yeah, pretty much
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: blanket gagging isn't smart
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: might make raids fun :P
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: good thing im nopk :D
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: I know wrong channel, sry. Can a NOPK still be set wanted ?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've been in 20 wars so far...
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not without them setting someone else wanted or getting revenge flag
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i can TOTALLY understand wanting to blanket ignore someone
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: understand wanting to, yes...that doesn't affect it not being a smart thing to do...many of the things we as people want aren't smart
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've not noticed a popcorn yet.. i'll keep my eyes peeled
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You offer Winkle-2000 Idiocy Machine and Smurf Crusher some HOT, FRESH....POPCORN!
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You snicker softly.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: it says it contains an invalid path
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What says what contains an invalid path?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what contains an invalid path?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: triggers don't have paths, unless you told it to make a sound and it needs a path to a sound file
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: when i click ok, then click close..it says some weird { } stuff then says contains an invalid path
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: and it doesnt work
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Are you running Mushclient off a flash drive, and removed that drive without closing mushclient first?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: what is that "weird { } stuff"? Sounds important
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If it was important, they wouldn't have put those stupid {} marks around it, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: right lol
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: do you need to know what it said?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: C/P the {} stuff to pastebin, we need that stuff
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: the WHOLE error
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: it was the same string you gave me cheez on ftalk with the #sub and everything...but i didnt enter that anywhere.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your trigger pattern is just *Abelinc*, with the checkboxes being Enabled, Omit from Output and no others, the Send: blank, the Send To: as World, Sequence 100, Copy wildcard (none) and all others blank
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: its in a box :P hard tocnp. but i will. 1 min
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Oh, that was for tt++, it won't work for you
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: #sub isn't a MUSHclient thing
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: ^{2}[etzliETZLI]+$  would be the regexp match
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not a good one
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wouldn't do what she's trying to do
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Never said it was 'good' just that it would work
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: how about checking "ignore case"?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it won't
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: cheez you wouldn't want to match like that
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: #sub {{3}[popcornPOPCORN]*}}{} contains an invalid path.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Like i said, #sub won't work in tt++
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: with only omit from output checked
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Enough with the popcorn, just say who it is ! :p
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: won't work in mush
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Etzli
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: right but i didnt put that in. i just put *popcorn*
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cheez already said who :P
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: She wants remove every occurance of his name
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: don't mess with regex without proper testing, especially when doing things as global gag
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: ahh lol
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: hes lying :P
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: im gagging out him! lol
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no he isn't
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: lol anyway
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you don't want to match characters blindly inside []
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: seeming I dont know either person, doesnt matter much. Just bored from the grind and this is all the entertainment atm
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: lol alright well
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Isn't [] for a range of characters? Not words
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yep
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: no, [a-z] is a range
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Huan is agreeing with that Birdbrain Metria person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: the '-' notates a range
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's creating a character class
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you'd want to do an ignore case and jsut use popcorn
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: [asdf] is a range too, contains 4 characters => matches ONE character, if it is one of those four
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but making it an regexp, then anchoring it, will make it not work
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: or failing that you'd want (popcorn|POPCORN|Popcorn)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Except, she wants every case of every letter, and she also wants to remove the 'short' form of the name, any/all if possible
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: ok all this talk is very confusing.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: i can just gag out pop and popcorn in 2 seperate triggers. thats fine.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: So she'd want to remove 'pop' 'popc' 'popco' 'popcor' and 'popcorn'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and your regexp wouldn't even block him talking on channels
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: i just want it to work
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, good point
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: We need Apple Regex
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: remove the beginning anchor for starters
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: ok
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and would not only remove popc, but also corp
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ahhh, true
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: i got the same invalid path error
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: need to remove all anchors
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Can brute force gag it with (pop|popc|popco|popcor|popcorn)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: and check 'ignore case'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: ya know what?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smack dhat Ashlynn Tech: forget that error message. it was from something else.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I know what... too much work for something so petty
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: pety?  This Popcorn is a menace to society!
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Have you ever had a handful of popcorn and you bite into an unpopped kernel?? That's a MENACE all right
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: oh no! i love those!
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: is it wrong to setup a trigger so every instance of escobar is replaced with escofoo
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's actually recommended
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Escobooboo imo
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus smiles at you. 
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Is there a way to make text in the output window of Mushclient into a clickable link/action?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: OK, how?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the aardwolf_helplist.xml plugin is a good example of how to make clickable link text
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'll take a look, thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the gmcp mapper plugin has hyperlinks
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: is it different to do hyperlinked text than clickable regions, though?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm looking to tweak the mapper plugin so mapper area <whatever> returns clickable room numbers. It's damn scary to run to Xyl's Mosaic at my level due to a typo :/
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Although, come to think of it, Xyl's Mosaic sucks at any level..
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: unless you're running straight to the rose ether, there's no real danger of aggro in Xyl that I've seen
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, nod, now forgetting whether "heroes" is my alias to call to heroes or realm of evil heroes, that's not good ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Good to know.. but that's not the first time I've done that (typo'd a room number)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: eww, room numbers.  Can you assign shortnames?  Would seem to me that text would be a bit better if at any point you'd have/want to rebuild the map database.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Oh, jeez no, I don't want to give every room I might need to get to a name..
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, the mapper already gives them a number and a name, so it's not really an either/or proposition
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What names are you talking about, Abelinc?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: every room has a name and number in the database
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: room names...when talking about rooms in the mapper, they have room names :P
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yes, but the room names are not useful when using mapper goto
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they are when using mapper find
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: (facepalm) Yes... Which you then use... (wait for it) a ROOM NUMBER to get to
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but you get the name first
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: questor doesn't send you to 16347
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: ... I already have the name. That's sort of how I know where I want to go.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the output of mapper find is already clickable links
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there ya go :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's very easy to typo a number and not notice
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fiendish has already thought of everything
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Well son of a beeyotch.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: since fiendish is here, i'll make a suggestion
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: make your suggestions somewhere that I can actually keep track of them.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: are the results of the mapper find actually saved in a variable somewhere, or just displayed?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: like on the website for making suggestions
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why?
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cause if they are, you could make an alias to run to the first room in that list
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and then the second, third, etc. when you execute it again
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: and if they aren't, you can make it so they aren't..
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh, btw, protip: "mapper resume" works if your run gets interrupted. it recalls the destination you last tried to run to.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a player could make a 'feeling lucky' alias if they wanted
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: erm... are...
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think that's undocumented
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: chuckle
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Ohhhh good one, Fiendish
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus whispers softly to Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I take back all those things I said about you, Fiendish.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suppose at some point I'll add it to the help command
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you guys get advanced knowledge for resting at the feet of greatness
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or something like that
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone know why paging no longer has a sound?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: it doesn't?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: not on mush, no.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: no sound
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did it ever?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, it used to in the old version before plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: it used to beep for me
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: maybe you need to set it?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: no idea how to do it =P
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's actually a very good questoin
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mind sending me a page?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: ok, beep isn't working anymore
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: weird... it used to
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: thanks. hold on.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: it didn't work once the plugins came out on Mush.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: check appearance -> output -> Enable beeps (and it must have some sound file selected)
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: it works for me if I page myself, but I don't have the official client, only few plugins from it that I liked.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you get a bell character if you page yourself?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: setting the enable beeps file does not seem to work in linux
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I mean...it works
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the test button works, but paging doesn't trigger it
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: maybe the page doesn't send a beep anymore?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huan says it does
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I just tried with triggers and trigger sounds disabled, and it still works
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in any case you can set up a simple sound trigger
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe a regex pattern of "^\w+ pages you '.*'$" without the quotation marks, and then browse for a sound file to play
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think that should work
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: OK, I just boggled. Where is the best information on how to seriously program MUSHClient? How to access script variables, how to access gmcp table info, how to call a function from a trigger or alias, etc..
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://mushclient.com/scripts/doc.php
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Thanks. I am going to chill and read. Appreciate it.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the best way to learn how to do things is to look at plugins that people have already made
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: hmm
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: i'm using the newest version of mush that's on the website with the updates. i'm trying to create a new world for test port, and once i do that successfully, when i close mush i am not able to open the test port world - it simply isn't under 'worlds' (only aardwolf is. i named the world something different, so there should be two different worlds i'd imagine?) - how can i fix this/what am i doing wrong?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: new worlds are not placed to the quick links automatically. You have to use plain old "Open World..." and find the .mcl file
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: nod. i do file -> open world -> the world file comes up -> the only thing that shows is the plugin directory and the aardwolf file
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: errr world folder
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: did you save the new world? I don't remember exactly... but "New World" should open new world window and lets you use it, but you have to "save as" to keep it for next time
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: hmm let me see
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: woot! thanks so much!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I seem to have lost my spellup miniwindow -- tried looking under everything else. Anyone got any advice? 
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: anyone use/own an AppleTV?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Ok, upgraded to Aardwolf client instead of stock MUSHClient and there are timestamps on the left side of the window that I don't want.  How can I remove?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: are you talking about the chat capture?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Which window, the comm window? right-click timestamp toggle it off
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right-click the chat window
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: hey, didn't know you could do that
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when in doubt in the new aard client, right click...tons of options that way
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec turns the timestamps on
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Well, actually I'm in the process of getting it to work so no plugins are loaded.. but still timestamp on left
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle in his presence.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: So I assumed it was a MUSHClient setting
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it is, but one which is best controlled by the plugin :P
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellHex Tech: is there someone available to hel
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellHex Tech: help*
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What do you need help with?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellHex Tech: my map on the client doesnt refresh is there a fix
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: dunno, I don't use MUSHclient
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: do you have map tags on?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellHex Tech: im not sure if it is on how do i check
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: type tags
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you need the map one on, and also the global option (at the bottom) on
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: Is there a mushclient plugin out there that contains speedwalks, and lets me substitute portals for those places where I have them? 
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellHex Tech: it says my global is on but by map it says "no" in red
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there's the gmcp mapper, hodor
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: type 'tags map on'
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellHex Tech: thank you for the help all maps seem to be working 
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul smiles happily.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: how does one play aard on iphone, help!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: get a client
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: google for one
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: which one?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: 10 bucks there's a client named iMud :P
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Know iphone, probably be shelling out $100 for an app ;p /stab
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Figured I'd give it a shot...:) Anyone have an extra LEGAL Windows 7 license key?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cizra rant rant Linux rant FreeBSD rant Haiku rant
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: haaha
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: inux + 1
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: sure it's 7HI5-1SN0-7$R34L-K3Y!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cizra -D
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: is it sad I know how to read that?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: nope, else i'll be sad too
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's almost as if it's commenting about it's own validity...
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: self-validation, a sad sight to behold indeed.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol cryyyy nerds!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does anyone here use the aardwolf mushclient package on windows 7?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: perhaps even specifically windows 7 home basic?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Anyone using Bast's latest plugins?  Specifically the PotionQuaffer?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what issue are you having with it? It's not actually bast's, but was made by bottomfeeder and is getting pretty old
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Well now that I've added into the latest Aardwolf client, anytime I buy any potions using the "buy # heal" command, I get 2 blank lines for each one I buy... very spammy.  Didn't do that in my stock MUSH
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Not to mention the prompt after each blank
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try turning off invmon, unless you're using it for something else
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I don't believe I'm using it.  It seems to be captured away... but none of these plugins do anything with that data as far as I can tell.  I'll give it a shot, thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Virigoth Tech: yep it was invmon spam
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Virigoth Tech: I just tried turning mine on and it helped
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: another thing is to turn off statmon
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Virigoth Tech: err off to see if it spammed
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: On the mush mapper, can you make a customer exit for multiline command, like say foo;say bar;say enter portal, as an example?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Have that off.  I guess it was invmon.  Not sure what's capturing it... hmm...
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: custom*
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Oh.... broadcast_inventory... yeah, not using that.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if you can't, try using an alias
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, say great ; sit car ; st...good example of where that'd be nice
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: or the middles in Dortmund ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: riddles too
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I just kill her
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Meh, I just say ring... *shrug*
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: room scripts are nice
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: doesn't feel right, gotta do the riddles! ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: did you try doing "mapper cexit one ; two" to see if that works?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I did before, just sends semi
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I could have it call a server side alias, haven't tried a mush alias
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, then probably needs manual massaging to get it to work (other than the aforementioned create alias method)
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: server side alias won't work
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MUDside aliases can only be a single command...there is no ; parsing
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there should be ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asterax Tech: Question: with the free version of Anti-Malware Bytes, is automated scanning included? (i.e. AMB will scans for malware without my interaction)
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: am able to connect to aard, and itunes can connect but firefox just shows a loading bar (green) at the bottom, and if i try to go anywhere other than start page it just gets 'stopped' any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: dns?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what about other browsers? could be dns
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Proxy? SOCKS?  Spyware?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: less hes connecting to ip directly dns would be working to connect eh
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: proxy is disabled like normal, no spy/malware
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: IE opens fine
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: just firefox messing up
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: if ie works and ff isnt sounds like proxy in ff settings
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: If you're using Windows, if FF enabled in the windows firewall?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: windows firewall is disabled
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you CAN have multiple commands in custom mapper exits, you just have to double up the semicolons like say hello guvna!;;sleep bed;;wake;;open west
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient a double semicolon as one literal semicolon
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which then gets executed later on as a line break
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient treats
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: any Mac users here?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sometimes
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: has the quest plugin been removed from the new mushclient version? I didn't see it.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: One isn't included, you had to get that elsewhere
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I've looked on the website but its not listed under the extra plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Try the bast plugins, there's one in there
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there is no official quest plugin. bast has one that you may enjoy
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: Nod I am referring to the one in the old version of aardclient, its strangely MIA in this new version.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are you sure there was one in there officially?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and that you didn't just add it yourself?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: it was pre-included, yes.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well in any case, the new client package doesn't include any plugin that requires another world file, and Bast already had one available
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or something like that
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also stop botting your quests :)
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: eh?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: heh
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: any Mac users/experts here?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: how do I make two commands in a trigger? I am wanting to cast a spell and hold something right after casting.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What client?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Also, are you sure you mean trigger?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: mush
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kathie Lee Nibbly Tech: sounds like an alias?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: A trigger responds to incoming text.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: yes a trigger for my flame blade
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: put the seocnd command ont he second line int he large text box
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: so a seperater or nothing special is needed
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no separator, just hit enter
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's why the action box is so big
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: Ok, thank you
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Actually, you probably do want a trigger, if flame blade outputs something upon success - that way, you cast it, it sends the output (when it succeeds), then you trigger off that and wield it.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Otherwise, if you fail casting it, you'll be trying to wield something that doesn't exist yet.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: pedwiddle speak the truth
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: firefox will go to a favorite page, but when i try to go to a link on one of those it tells me its in offline mode (though its not), anyone know wtf is going on?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Well, your favorite page could very well just be a cached copy
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: its current, (facebook, hulu, ect)
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How do you know it is NOT in offline mode?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: file -> 'offline mode' is not checked.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: repair on wireless network returned 'could not clear netbt' what is that?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: OS?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: xp pro
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: any idea?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm not sure actually
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the "windows" repair is pretty useless
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snewb Tech: i concur
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you're better off rebooting
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tezaal agrees!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: How might I match a variable amount of spaces in a regexp?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: regex! my fave
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: \s+
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: awww!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can use s{#,#} to specify a range of spaces to match
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: \s that is
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: also-- + means 1 or more, * includes 0
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Nah, I don't know how many spaces there will be.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: + is better when you know there will be at least one space... prevents unwanted matches
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: "*@mob *" used to match the "where @mob" message.. but isn't now... hmmm
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I tried "*@mob\s+*"  but that doesn't work either
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: do you have "expand wildcards" option selected?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Expand variables?  Yes
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: sorry, expand variables... also, what are those '*' doing there? * at the beginning of regex doesn't make sense. In the best case it tries to match it as literal, if it isn't giving syntax error.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: The * in the beginning allows you to match "cow"  "a cow"  "a lazy, stupid cow" by entering just cow.... and the second one matches the room it's in
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: what's the interpreter this is going through?..
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: normally, pcre for match-anything would be .*
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: MUSH trigger
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: regex are not anchored. If you wanted to be explicit about it, you need to use .* to match "anything"
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: o.0 mushclient triggers are... awkward
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: but as long as you make it a regex match instead of a normal match, you should be good to go
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: see http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/funwithtriggers.htm
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: so if it's a regex trigger, you need the .* -- if it's a "normal" trigger, just *
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: it it is normal trigger, the \s+ part won't work
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: if*
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: OH!  Just kidding.. I made it work with just regular trigger... but now its not working because I don't believe the newest mapper strips beginning spaces from its "mapper find <text>" command
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that is correct
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what are you trying to do?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Essentially capture a "where <mob>" line from the MUD.  Specifically capture the room it says it's in
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Ah. I have that.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I have an alias for where and a disabled trigger that gets enabled only until it catches the next line from the mud after calling where
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: That's what I have, but my previous trigger no longer works.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the trigger pattern is ^(.{29})(.+)$
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: %1 is then the room name
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: %1 is Sokic!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Oh.  Just take out the mob selection completely
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well it's either the room name or "There is no blah blah"
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so I do if not string.find("%1","There is no") then
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Right, I have a check for that already.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's not the most robust system, but it works usually the first time
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and if it messes up I just do it again
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Nice.  It works perfectly.  Thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I want to make an alias so i can just type something like "k scroll" and it replaces K for put (wildcard) in bag. How might I go about doing this in MUSHclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: that was poorly worded, heh. I want K to be "Put * in bag" but just type game-side "k scroll"
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Although, I believe you said %1 would be the roomname, which I think should be %2?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Tezaal: make an alias with the match text "k *" and in the body, use "put %1 in bag"
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: DOH! I should have known that, must have a brain fart atm.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: And, of course, if you ever want to use k for kill, you'll have to use " k <mob>"
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod K was just an example as I was typing that stupid question lol. If you need me, I'll be in the corner with the bottle of cyanide and rusty razor.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: wow, why is there not a single pop up blocker add on for firefox? the built in one is less than adequate.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: noscript and adblocker are firefox plugins which help
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Err, adblocker plus
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: yea ad-block plus blocks ads ON the page, I'm dealing with alot of websites that have pop-unders, and since I'm on a dual-monitor setup I get teh webpage in one monitor, the ad in the other!!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Wow, what kind of crappy ass end of the internet are you browsing?
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I'm using fiber-optic internet.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Try noscript
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: oh, what website? a few different ones, but atm its the local news website!!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: must be the unfashionable part of the western spiral arm of the internet....
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: no, just a poorly-developed local news website. They must have hired an 8th grader to code it, I find typos in -every single article-
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: And yet you keep going back to it..
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: unfortunately the only source of truly -local- news I've found.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: How do I multiply in LUA script in a MUSH trigger?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Multiplication.  I want to multiply two numbers and send them as a command to the MUD
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: 1 ?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: [1*1] ?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Hmm, brackets.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: or %eval(1*1)
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: %eval would not be mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: ah sorries didnt see that it was for mush
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Hmm, I also suspect that I'm attempting to interpret a string as a number and multiply it...
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i just use tonumber(blahblah)
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but in most instances lua should auto compute
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Well 20 * %1 doesn't seem to work right.. ,)
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what is %1?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: %1 would be a number captured
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: #Note(12 * "10") => 120
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: print (20*tonumber(%1))
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: AHHH... I'm sorry.  20 * %1 was working just fine... I was using too many periods for concantenate
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, fiendish here?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well, does anyone else happen to know why the gmcp mapper in mush doesn't seem to handle consecutive same custom exits properly?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huh?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: it runs the goto command before entering the custom exit
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: eg, for zangar amethyst sea, if you store the slither forward custom exits
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: i think
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it'll only send 1 slither forward rather than 2
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you need to explain more
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean the same command twice?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: let me finish my quest and I'll look into it
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: room 1 - slither forward -> room 2 - slither forward -> room 3
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think you're either doing it wrong or the third room is nomap
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just did mapper cexit south;south;south;south and it worked
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: try mapper cexit run s, a few times, head north a bunch, and goto the last room
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what did I just say I did?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oh, you mean you stacked it in the same cexit?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you store them as separate cexits it won't work properly
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ok hold on
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'm going to find this zangar place
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it works the same with the south south thing, the problem only arises if you store multiple cexits
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I need to find this slither forward place
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the find command also works find if you run it from the first room where the cexit chain starts
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's just that if it's before that, it'll only send once
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i just tested using south south south and it has the same effect
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well for now you can use mapper resume when it stops, I guess
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: varying the name slightly will also work if there are alternatives
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: interesting
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so it's just if the name repeats?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: should be easy to track down then. hold on
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: run s, ru s, run s, ru s as a chain will work for example
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it looks like it's only every other one, then
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: odd
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: couldn't figure it out, it's probably not a major issue since chaining is pretty rare
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: now that the search algorithm is much faster, i'm considering getting rid of the limit on search depth
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but I don't know if there's actually anything 300 rooms away from anything else
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: heh, i don't know if it even makes a difference, i think you can get to almost any room in 300 rooms
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think so far my longest path was 78 rooms, and that returned instantly
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: longest i can think of would be running to wyrm with no amulet from recall?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: would be less than a hundred i think
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: correction, 121
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huh
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: problem solved
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: where was it?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: build_speedwalk in aardmapper.lua
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's the part that takes things like eeennnnsss and turns it into 3e3n3s
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: new_command?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I actually changed before that
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i see
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: from    if speed [n].dir == dir.dir then     to   if expand_direction[dir.dir] ~= nil and tspeed [n].dir == dir.dir then
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because it should not join nonstandard exits
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: because it thought it was a normal direction so it became 2slither forward?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: was looking at wrong part :p
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well it would have been "2slither through" except for the check on if #dir.dir == 1 then later on
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which explicitly prevents that
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone know how to select the room name when you where a mob as a wildcard?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huh?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: we had a conversation about that earlier today
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: with me? this is the first time I'm asking =(
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not with you
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess it's not in tech -h anymore
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a reasonable trigger pattern to use is ^(.{29})(.+)$
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the rest is left as an exercise for you
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: thanks =D
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: how do I set a trigger to run only once?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: you want it to delete itself or disable?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: just disable
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: I'm using mush, and I'm using the normal trigger thingy available
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: name the trigger, then #t- <name>
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: at the end of the trigger
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, how do you use name the trigger? use the label field?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: not sure about mush, but in zmud its the ID field
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Yes, the label fields.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: -s
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: sometimes I wish well-meaning government agencies... wouldn't
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: which is why we end up with open source = lots of buges -> nobody to fix them
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and Google are equally to blame on this
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I've read most of Linux kernel is written by paid programmers
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: shame none of the mapping community seem to be
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: they're up to subversion 4 of google maps v3 and it's riddled with flaws. UK's Ordnance Survey are up to 1.2 of their openmaps, but can't get something as simple as correct placement of tiles after a zoom, or correct conversion of pixel position to map position correct
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: makes any kind of development on these systems nigh on impossible
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: but the clincher is that, as these facilities are based on an open-source model, nobody take responsibility for the bugs, so nothing ever gets fixed in a reasonable amount of time
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: see: excuses
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Wellll
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I'd say you can manage closed-source and open-source projects equally poorly
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: To me, the question is, who pays
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If nobody pays, nobody's obliged to fix bugs either
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: in the former case, everybody, in the latter case, british tax payers
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If you're willing to pay, well, I guess then somebody pops up to fix the bugs.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: even payment is no guarantee
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If nobody pops up, this means the payers should contact the original developers with offer
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: oh, but it is
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's not
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If you can't get the original devs, find some random guy to work on it. Problem solved.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: there are good grounds for just shutting google down completely
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, paying local developers is better for your economy than sending your money overseas
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If you're not willing to pay, perhaps you're understanging "open-source" as "cool, free stuff!"
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Which is mostly correct, of course, but not the way to do business.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if a government agency removes one method of maptool and replaces it with another, you expect it to work
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: I much prefer something that's basic bu reliable over something that's shiney but broken, I can't see why other think otherwise
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Interesting, think this i'll work mudding by playing purely on speech input/output
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Ie the mud is read to you, and then you say what you want to do :)
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: So we can mud from bed with a migraine :p
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and fall foul of botting rules
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you can hug a wireless keyboard while you talk
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Since when is using speech input considered botting?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i don't think speech input is botting
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: speech input is a handicap
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I agree
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I'd never use it
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'm having a severe migraine now, what made me think of it , it's ebbing away now luckily
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: provided you don't have any kind of other assistave scripting there, fine
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: At the height, I am handicapped, there's no quick getting of anything, only subtle moves or PAIN! :)
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: wouldn't be very efficient
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Shrug, smart people don't talk about their scripts
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: is that a common problem?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: True, but it'd be something to do while lying on my back :)
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: if anything I could have it read out gossip or something for fun (wachting things that give off light is also PAIN! )
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: drop some acid, it helps
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I finally took a heavy pain killer yeah and a 30 min shower, it's now a normal headache
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Instead of talking about it, let's see if I could get it to read out tells or gossip :)
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: drink water and sit in childs pose
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I did that last thing, but only because it seemed to be only tolerable position besides standing with my head in my neck staring at the ceiling
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: yeah childs pose is magic. thing is it also slowly increases blood flow to head which doesnt exactly help
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: migraines are horrible
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeag I hate the nausea the most
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: The painkillers that are taken anally are awesome for that (they don't add to the nausea)
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: supository
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah that was the word I was looking for.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is there a mush command to send something without parsing it first?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Metzli Tech: How do I go about making a song start up on a trigger?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Metzli Tech: Is it #play?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Metzli Tech: then "c:/xxx" etc?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: assuming you're using z/cmud
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i put the soundfiles in the folder. just #play whatever.wav works
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Metzli Tech: so, #play "c;/music/example
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Metzli Tech: Which folder?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nack Tech: aardwould mashclient has a music player?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: zmud folder
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Metzli Tech: Any directory in specific? Or just in the folder
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: we're talking zugg client, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: install dir
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Metzli Tech: Cool Thanks man :)
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: where the exe/bin is 
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Metzli Tech: Ok lmao, after its going, how do I stop it? :P #stop doesn't work
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone know how to terminate a trigger within the MUSHclient's own interface, without unchecking the enable box?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: use EnableTrigger
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shazar Tech: is it possible to merge two mapper databases?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iron Duck Chuft Tech: using zonecopy yes
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shazar Tech: ah okay google time thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shazar Tech: is zonecopy useable for mush as well?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: think zonecopy is a zmud thing
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it is possible to merge two mapper databases with a little bit of sqlite work
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: redryn your suggested fix for the color bug is not quite right
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use this instead "@[^@cmyrgbwCMYRGBWD]"
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oh yea, good point. thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: otherwise you'll run into the black color code and stuff
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: actually don't need to include @, since that's already stripped one line above
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: doesn't hurt to have it there
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: since there won't be any
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea, wouldn't affect anything, but it saves one byte!!1
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hah
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone using Bast's spellup plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shazar laughs out loud at Bastion.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: lol shazar =D
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shazar Tech: fail
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ask away
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: Bast, the miniwin tabber isn't showing spellups even though its open.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, that version does not go into the tabbar because it isn't based on my miniwindow code, v6 will go in that tabbar
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: oh, I see. Okay, another question, broadcast_runto doesn't want to load
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: paste the error to pastebin.com and tell me the url
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, I'm not sure what broadcast_runto is used for, but would it make sense to also put an "if gmcp status = 12, running" into it?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that one actually starts runto when you see the "Running To" so it includes the runprefix, whereas the gmcp stuff doesn't include the runprefix
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right, I see what it's looking for currently...my question is more, what is relying on it...what is the application
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is for my auto wear regen plugin, I didn't want to wear the regen in the aardhotel if I was just passing through
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, then yeah, no point seeing when you're running other than runtos
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: So I was added Bast's plugins manually, just wanted a few, cp/gq/quest/spellup, added the broadcast/miniwin plugins, I got the spellup miniwindow, but don't seem to have cp/gq/quest, theyy've not covered by other miniwindows either
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: you need to be on a cp/gq/gquest first
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I am
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: and since cp check is hidden from game window, it's going somewhere ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: mcp CP toggle
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: even with the plugin I can see cp check normally
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: that shows me the help window, but not the mob list
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: try killing a mob on the cplist, mine showed up after that.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: nope, guess I'll copy all the files, guess i'm missing a support file
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you got the help popup you have all the support files
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: type mcp help, then look at objects and then type mcp "object" toggle, where object is the exact case of what is in the window
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: got it, case sensitive
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: does anyone use the Sharp Tracker? Any idea why I get these errors? http://pastebin.com/P2QxmTSs
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: looks like he's just not initializing the value of the variables
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: on load, it should have an if variable doesn't exist, set variable 0
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: ah okay. Thanks =D
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: do you know if you use the original one or the modified one from the comli site?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: kuro: it looks like, rather than doing sanity checking/initializing variables automatically, opo set it up to have you initialize the sharptracker by typing "#startup"
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, my mistake, forgot about it, thanks =D
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: when you told me it wasn't initialized I realised I forgot to start it =(
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: So what can I do to auto-toggle Bast's cp window when I request a campaign
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Or just keep it on all the time, regardless of if I'm on campaign or not
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I believe if you hit the X button, and just have it in the tabs it will auto-open when you get a cp
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Countess Cagliostro Tech: anyone familiar with prolog?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Bast's CP plugin for MUSH, I've tried a bunch of stuff.... I'd like the miniwindow to never close, barring that, I'd like it to show up when I take a campaign... not sure what I've done to mess it up, but I have to 'mcp CP toggle' everytime I take a campaign to get it to show
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Countess Cagliostro Tech: anybody here familiar with prolog?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: how do i set zmud to include colour when i copy from my log?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: can a if function in lua support a else and a or function in the same prog?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: uh...of course
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Unless I'm totally misunderstanding.. What are you trying to do?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yeah, each program can have an unlimited number and instance of commands used
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.lua.org/pil/4.3.1.html
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: so after i write the if (this happens) do this (else) do this or this depending which if not(taskseen functuin meets true
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: please ask questions in englihs
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ugh
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in english
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: WTF?  You mean if / else if / else?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: dunno if LUA has one, but he's looking for an IF THEN...ELSEIF...ELSE construct
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: its for a mobprog so i am trying to not just blurt out the whole thing ok lets try this
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: that sounds right dokkar
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Just do it in pseudocode, you dont' have to give exact strings or whatever.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: at any rate, I'm fairly sure LUA is much more advanced than that, so also include in your search SELECT, SWITCH, or even CASE.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: Hopefully a switch would include a case.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: Can we put this in terms of widgets?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: since I'm not familiar with lua syntax and command offerings, I cannot guarantee the names of the commands, so I'm trying to offer suggestions based on my related experience in other languages.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why don't you ask for help with mob progs on the builder port?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: crap i just got my self confused
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is there really anyone ever there?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: cause everyones alseep there i think
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then post a note?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: http:/www.lua.org/pil/4.3.1.html ?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: thnks grasshacker
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: just what i needed
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's the same link I posted 2 minutes ago
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grasshacker Tech: google("lua if else")
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: sry didnt see it in between switchin screens
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: tech -h 30
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Grasshacker grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you should know better, Fiendish.  The best way to get someone to not take advice is to point them to a helpfile. :)
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's why I don't include help files with the client package
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish winks suggestively.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: from what I can see, Lua supports switch and not case, but switch is not what you would expect.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: switch/case are two words parts of doing the same thing
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}KevinRoberts Tech: you know about looa I have looked at some code for mush client before at a script I had and some of that can get complex
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's probably more from possible unfamiliarity than actual complexity.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: depends what he was looking at
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and from whom.  Habit and obfuscation can ruin some otherwise great code.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: anywho, which section of the manual does the lua switch reside in?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: it' sprobably under a section entitled "Switch statements"
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: or something about logical operations
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lua doesn't have a switch statement
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ode Tech: it shouldn't, but i don't use it at all
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: here's a page that talks about making one yourself, which will not help you at all. http://lua-users.org/wiki/SwitchStatement
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: MUSHclient question, Bast CP tracker... I dunno what I did, but I can't get the CP window to show up when I take a cp, I have to do 'mcp CP toggle' each time. I'm familar with lua a bit, but can't see where the window even gets hidden, I'd prefer it stay up at all times, any have this problem?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: the quest and CP windows don't show for me in the new version either.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Quest window stay up (mquest Quest toggle), but it's not up at login, cp is stubborn
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: could someone help me to get my CP miniwindow plugin working?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I downloaded the package of basts' plugins from his google code page, i have the quest one working, but the CP one wont show up when I enable it.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I know it is loaded + working because it has gaged the cp check info from my output
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: does typing 'mcp CP toggle' work?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: indeed!
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: did you request the cp before you installed the plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: thanks1
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: yes I did myrkul, that mcp CP toggle worked
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, bet that's why it wasn't originally though
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: You'll need to do it everytime you start a cp, I'm having that issue
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I think its because these plugins were for the old version of the custom client, and they released the new version.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I know on teh old client they worked like butter
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I know Bast mentioned he's working on v6
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i thought bast updated all his plugins...
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod hey, beggers can't be choosers
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: not sure myrkul, all the plugins in this new client have fiendish as the author in the plugin list...
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well yes, because fiendish made the new client
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but that doesn't mean bast's plugins won't work with it
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tarnis Tech: Myrkul you on this chan?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tarnis Tech: I would love to have wine on my mac... what download should I use?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: google it? :P
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: makes sense 
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: makes sense :P
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Darwine's one option.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i don't use a mac/wine, but i'm sure it can't be too hard to find :P
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Pony up some cash and get Crossover, it rocks.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: in another mud I've played, one of the mushclient fanatics used a virtual machine with window son it just to run mush natively on his mac.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: You can also get the standard wine through macports or probably fink.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: I did macports
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: but the client did strange things
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: like, background colors all messed up
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Yeah, I tried running mushclient the other day in the macports wine and I got those results.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: I haven't tried it with Darwine yet.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tarnis Tech: I would love to have zMud on my intel macbook
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: But it might do a bit better. They didn't behave excactly the same way when I'd been trying both in the past on other apps.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I wonder why so many people go on and on about how good ZMud is, given that it's older than Windows 95 and is more full of bugs than a demo version of Windows living on Bill Gates's PC.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: zmud seems to run in macports wine just fine
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: most users probably don't use it in an advanced enough way to run into the bugs
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: People don't like change, and don't like to think they've made a bad purchase. Therefore, they will continue using zmud, and they will continue to delude themselves that it is the shiznit.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tarnis Tech: I'm just using zMud because 10 years ago I bought it.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: people like what they like
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: 90% of the stupid arguments on the internet are over people being annoying that other people like things that they do not like :P
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: unless you are saying that most zmud users are using zmud as a (paid-for) version of straight telnet, they've run into a whole mountain of bugs.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: maybe I spoke too soon.. seems to be stuck on 'initializng'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, from your statement one could infer that the bugs haven't been fixed, which is not the case.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i've not remembered ever running into bugs using basic macros and triggers that used to be way way above telnet playing
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: the scrollback was miles ahead for one thing
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: and saving the ip of the mud...
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: these fancy clients arent that fancy.. just ansi color capable telnet clients with some regexp parsing of incoming and outgoing text.. big whoop
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: ah yes and ansi colour
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: they're there.  A whole section of them can even manifest just by opening and closing ZMud.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Saving the IP of the MUD is a bug, not a feature if you ask me..
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, then, other than straight telnet, all clients fall under the category of "fancy".
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: true, true
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: trying to see if winebottler will work for the aardwolf client
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Wow, yet another flavor of wine...
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tarnis Tech: is it a merlot?
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: I'm not a super-taster, so I wouldn't claim to be able to tell.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: No idea what the differences between all these distros for mac are.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: woot, wineskin wrapper works wonderfully with the official client, soo far :)
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: How to create an alias in mushclient ?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Anyone know ?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: erm Duckbat, just press alt enter
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: on the left, there should be Input, then click on alias
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: I don't have mushclient I just want to know so I can write alias for others
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Is there some command to do it ?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: oh, not too sure, sorry. I use the client GUI to do it.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: read this: http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/doc.php?general=aliases
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Krion Tech: If you are looking to add an alias programmatically (via a script or plugin), see http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/function.php?name=AddAlias
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: also the client's help alias has the documentation and some examples.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Oh..... JUST an alias?  No.  There is not a comand... but the technique is just the same as a trigger.  What do you want to do?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: I want to write aliases to run to areas for example in zMud one could just type #alias {something} {somethingelse}
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: It's not quite so easy in Mush... though you could write an alias to simplify writing aliases to the syntax you'd like.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Hmm okay I'll just make aliases for zMud users then :P
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, MUSH aliases behave the same way, essentially.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: anyone know why my mush would eat up more and more memory the longer its on? I run bast mush and when I turn it on its about 40,000 kb, right now its 300,000 kb
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: output buffer
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tarnis Tech: I blame the internet
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: it could be 200 to 500k lines, I have no idea what the default setting is
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: wouldn't that usually have a limit, huan?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tarnis Tech: its downloading porn without your knowledge
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: my buffer is only 5k
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: surely a buffer of 5k isn't the problem? that seems pretty low
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I have no idea then, 5k should be small enough
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: script with memory leak somewhere?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: how would I figure that out?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: or, how would I find it?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: disable everything and see if it stops increasing i suppose
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think there was a problem in zmud like that too
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not really sure, sorry
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: thanks, I guess I'll leave it on tonight with everything off and see what happens
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I don't know of way to detect memory leaks, other than what redryn said. Kill all the plugins, see if it stops. If it does, enable half of them...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I ended up with that too did you check 1) under all windows 2) reset coords all windows maybe its off screen
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: 3) reintall the tabs plugin and then the cp window
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: In Visual Studio, you can dereference a NULL pointer with impunity. MFC uses it a lot....
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsloth's Tsarikos Tech: anyone have any idea why my cpmob tracker is missing the first mob? using the bast plugin
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Do you have a carriage return at the end of your prompt?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsloth's Tsarikos Tech: what's that?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Carriage? See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buberel_Coronation_coach_Catherine_the_Great.jpg
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: A %c.  Without it, the output for the first campaign mob is probably going on the same line as your prompt.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: any idea why my auto spellups just stopped
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: was working fine just stopped doing spellups tho... spellup fast and spellup resume didnt restart it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, but lets play 20 questions to determine your client and other details
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: is it bigger than a breadbox?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: i think you have some serious issues if your mud client is bigger than a breadbox
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: i use mush. i just added some of the plugins that came with the newest aard version (some of the plugins aren't already loaded) - idle timer and calculator.. but there aren't any directions for use
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: try clicking help in the plugin list
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: anyone know how i would use either of these?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: oh hmmk
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: some dont come with instructions... you could read the script and read what the triggers/aliases are that are setup and figure it out that way
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: holy crap that is amazing!!
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: thanks so much :)
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: How do you sync your iPod Touch/iPhone so that apps that are on it will be downloaded to your computer? I had to reinstall and just copying my iTunes library into the new iTunes folder didn't work. My iTunes currently has no apps in it.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: I know that I've maanged to do it once, I just don't know how I did it.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: in itunes on the left select device and then there should be options for syncing
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: one of them will be sync apps
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: none of it will work as expected...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: The last time I synced apps like this, all apps on my iPod disappeared. I have save files for games I don't want to disappear.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: I think by default when you try to sync apps, it will first check if there are any apps on the device that are not on your computer and will offer to copy them off first.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: That's what I remember it doing for me at least... unfortunately if it doesn't, I guess you'd lose that data.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Aaah, there it is. It's working, thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: I believe the behavior was different in older versions of iTunes, which may be why you lost stuff in the past.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ok, I figured out my memory leak problem, everytime I do a 'mapper find room' mush uses more memory
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: so, how do I fix that?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: tell fiendish :p
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: do you know what the most recent version is?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "memory leak problem"
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: whenever I use the mapper find function mush's memory usage goes up and stays there
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I bet you that isn't strictly true
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you do the same query multiple times does that happen?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: give me a query to run
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: from recall do mapper find lane
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I get "Your search returned more than 50 results. Choose a more specific target."
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hold on. I'll remove that check
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I did whitewind from recall and it didn't have that affect, but if I sit in my manor and type mapper find manor its much worse
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Altere Tech: anyone know where to find a working potion tracker for mush, I can't seem to find one.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: Bast has a PotionQuaffer
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: although it doesn't work for me -- I need to send him the patch...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Jek, how much memory are you talking about here?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just because it starts out using less than it does later on, doesn't mean there's a leak
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ok, I just restarted mush, start at 50,000 kb, then do mapper find manor from my manor and I end up at 117,000 kb
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you start at 50? huh. I'm sitting here at 22.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: yeah, I know thats high already
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe a difference in how linux reports it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i start at 50ish too, but it doesn't go up beyond that i think
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: on xp
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ok, maybe not then, I'm using bast mush if it matters
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: I'm at 121, windows xp :p
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in any case...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the current mapper will use up to as much memory as it takes to load the entire rooms table into memory
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I can do the same query again and the memory won't go up as much, but it does seem tied to the mapper find function
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: plus whatever additional information
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but it only loads rooms as you access them
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which is why it grows
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I might be able to cut that practice down, since we do findpath in a different way now
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ok, its not that big of a deal since my computer has more than enough memory, but it is troubling to see mush use 300,000 kb at times
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hm.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just haven't seen that. I'll keep an eye out
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: now I can't say for sure its not other stuff contributing, but I see the biggest jumps with the gmcp mapper find function
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: my mush (on wine) stays right at 115MB, never really moves from that the entire day
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well I took out the search result limit and did mapper find the
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which I believe probably pulls in almost the entire database
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and usage got up to like 130MB
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but then mushclient crashed on displaying the 8000 results :\
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: wow, so what does that mean?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it means that mapper memory usage shouldn't increase higher than around that
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though it does seem a little high, it's still significantly less than what firefox uses on my system
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ok, I wonder why mine goes so high, must be some sort of compounding problem
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'll look into reducing it if I can
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: might be an issue in the code
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: just a suggestion
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: thanks for that not very helpful comment
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: ... 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bizarro Sephiroth Tech: It's okay Tweak. We can't help it Fiendish doesn't like psychics like you that point the way to our future :-P
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: nother suggestion would be to just ditch mush and use something a little less antiquated.. 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Oh really. Did you go to school for that level of expertise, ace?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: antiquated? What are you using that isn't as antiquated?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: zmud?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: lmao less antiquated? fail
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i use WoW to mud
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: god no
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: tech fight
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: tweakerbell uses portal
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish coughs loudly.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: no.. i dont
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: i got it, he uses MIXIT!!!
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I'm working on connecting to aard with esp
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: No other client is more less-antiquated than mush, i hate mush, but i'm willing to admit it.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Define is agreeing with that FootLong Cheezburger person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: more less antiquated, huh? haha
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger snickers softly.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I still can't admit that mush isn't antiquated, so that was my verbal workaround
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: well, it's beside the point how antiquated a client is when the issue is with a script not the client
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: derp
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Tweakerbell: welcome to the future, where MUSHclient is the most heavily supported client around because it lets people like us (you know, the ones who actually do things instead of make useless comments like "oh hai there may be a problem in the code. derp") do the most things with the most freedom.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: oh? really? 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ya rly
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Orogan sighs.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: is it open source?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes it is
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's actually free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Yes
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: free software is not the same as open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which is why I corrected you
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tweakerbell Tech: it's barely supported, the api and codebase hasn't seen an update in years, the api documentation is disgustingly out of date and ill-supported, and honestly the people who use it as shown here are morons. 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Tweakerbell: wrong. wrong. wrong. wrong. Aannnnnd wrong.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Tweak, you are sadly misguided.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: your comments indicate your lack of coding insigh
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: ad hominem is definitely the way to go.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: if you cant hack it pack it baby
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Boy Named Sue is begging Ol' Dirty Fiendish to PLEASE be more careful with him. Trolls can be so delicate ...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: tweakerbell's comments indicate a lack of more than just coding insight
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Uhm, 4.72 was released on the 4th of this month, how frequently do you want updates?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Define nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the more bug fixes are released, the better the software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn beams with pride.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and it is OPEN SOURCE, you can get the source through a git repository
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's more than just open source. it's free software.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Free as in liberty, not free as in beer
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though I wish nick would use a standard license instead of making up his own
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: don't suppose anyone has any experience dealing with browser printing problems....
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: free software is less than open source, not more
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no Ranrr, it isn't
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: yes it is
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: free means I don't have to pay for it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: No, it doesn't.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Uhm, 4.72 was released on the 4th of this month, how frequently do you want updates?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Mis, sorry
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: free means you can edit and redistribute it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: open source means I can download the source and modify it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i think it's less too.. if the dev stops developing.. and doesn't release the code.. the software can never improve
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Free software has a specific meaning that is independent of price.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've been burned by this many times
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Ranrr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: beat me to it leinei
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: WinkleWinkle: there is no such thing as free software that is closed source.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: well the source is available. that was the original question, no? it is. you can go download it, screw with it, build it, inject malwar and redistribute it...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Free has more than one meaning.. and therefore there can be free software that isn't open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: tech Here is the problem with so called free software:
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: The authors or copyright holders of freeware may retain all rights to the software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: it is not necessarily permissible to reverse engineer, modify, or redistribute freeware
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: hence, free software is less than open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: possible != permissible
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Ranrr: did you completely ignore the line right before that one?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Free software, which may or may not be distributed free of charge, is distinct from freeware which, by definition does not require payment for use.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: anyway, the point of this was the Tweakerbell was wrong, I won't to get back to that point
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: it's possible to reverse engineer, modify and redistribute ANY code
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: freeware and free software are NOT the same thing
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: won't=want
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I agree
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but I am still right
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no, you're completely wrong
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: actually read what that wiki article says
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and try to understand it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I can not download the source for mushclient and modify it to my needs
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Uhh, yeah you can
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: open source software can still be proprietary and barred from redistribution under copyright
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But I can do that with e.g. tintin++
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: only if you have zero skills can you not
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Ranrr: if you can't download the source for mushclient, then you have failed miserably
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I can only do that if it is open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: AARGHSGSDHG
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: guy... it is...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: https://github.com/nickgammon/mushclient/tree/v4.72
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Then i was right
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: open source is more than free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: free software has the source publicly available, by definition
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: open source is less than free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: no its the opposite
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you may be given access to see the source of a program without being given permission to copy, modify, and redstribute that source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you're still confusing freeware and free software, i think
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: yeah ranrr freeware != free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: free software is more freedom than open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "open source" means only that the source is available, not that you have permission to modify and redistribute it.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: open source means you can get the source.... free software means you can modify it, redistribute, etc.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "free software" means that you have access to the source AND that you have the permission to modify and redistribute it.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: So, is linux free software but not open source then?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: linux is a family of operating systems
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: it isn't a program
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: it's a kernel
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: yeah well... a family of kernels
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there is no such thing as free software that is not also open source. if the source weren't available then by definition it could not be free.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: thats right
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: and the GPL license applies to free sotware, not open source?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: the GPL license applies to software that the author places the GPL license on...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: it doesnt blanket apply to anything
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: of course not
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the GNU GPL is one example of a free software license
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are other less restrictive licenses
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: it used to be an open source license...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: yeah, whatever, bsd, apache etc
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: if you're right, I guess someone changed the terminology without telling me
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or you just never understood the meaning of the words you were using.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: no guy you just never learned the difference between freeware and free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: or software libre!
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I have never heard the term free softare, only open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: everyone uses the term open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Folks have been arguing the terminology for ages.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bizarro Sephiroth Tech: FSF.org
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: then what do you mean that the meanings changed?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: e.g. from wikipedia on open source: One of the most successful open source products is the GNU/Linux153 operating system, an open source Unix-like154 operating system
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: and then?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because all free software is open source by definition
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but open source does not inherently mean that you are granted freedoms
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daesilme nods at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: no, that's wheree the license comes in
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Free Software is a superset of Open Source.  So, all Free Software is Open Source, but the inverse is not necessarily true.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: Does anyone know how to change the colour of the text that displays the time in the Bast quest miniwindow?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: only BSD and similar give real freedom, not GPL
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: just go read the definitions
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but some would disagree on that
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: you aren't going to change them. you can choose to understand them or be wrong.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Kurojiryuu, click the M in the upper left on the mini window, goto Colours
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Daesilme: free software is a more free subset of open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i think its kinda funny define talking about definitions
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not superset
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: give and example of something that is open source but not free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Yeah, sorry, got that bass ackwards.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient is free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: oh is it? i thought nick's license had some restrictions
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Lugaru HD
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: freeware != free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Herodotus: Nick's license is actually very permissive
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ok, so mushclient is open source but not free software?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no, mushclient is free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you not pay attention?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: ok, so give me an example on something that is open source but not free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Just about every website in the world is open source and not free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Ranrr:  Lugaru HD
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can view the source right in your browser, but you do not have permission to copy or modify it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: just wish we could bin all browsers and just use Firefox
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: since none of the other work properly
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: all of those fancy javascript websites? the source is right there. visible to everyone. But you do not have the legal right to take it and modify it.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: sorry, that does not fit this definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Definition
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: fails on clause 1
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: What doesn't?  My example or his?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: web pages
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you disagree that the source of a web page is open?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: as opposed to closed?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: no, web pages are not open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: not according to the definition
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: just because I can see the source does not make it open
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: technically, MUSHclient does not fit the definition of Free software at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software because Nick explicitly states you cannot resell it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: a deassambled pice of software is not open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but I can get the source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: if so, it is not even open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: mushclient is freeware, not free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nick doesn't say you can't resell it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the license that comes with mushclient explictly says that you can resell it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: http://www.mushclient.com/forum/?id=7733, not from that forum post
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I will continue to use the term open source, because that's what evetyone ese in my industry does. :)
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: or maybe floss software if I feel like it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: use the term, but be ware that it doesn't mean what you think -- open source software is not about being able to access the source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: so firefox and safari both do a reasonable job, ie is cruddocks but predictably cruddocks, and chrome and opera are just bugged to hell and gone
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: neither does free woftware, it seems
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish throws her hands up in disgust.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ahh, I was going on the forum post, so in the source, the you can resell
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that forum post is very old
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: lol, I just started it all up again, sorry!
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: so, what in lugaru makes it open source but not free software?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read license.txt in the mushclient directory
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: that depends -- if it is "free software" then yes, you can access the source. Open source software you can access the source. But the ability to access the source, does not make it open source
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: The fact that you can't modify it and resell it -- a company just recently got in trouble for it.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: swalec: that description isn't helping
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Actually, they didn't even modify it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I don't think
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But then it issn't open source. Fails clause 1.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: both terms are problematic, because they both have double meaning
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: most terms do have double meaning. It's the problem with representing complex ideas in single words
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I stil haven't seen open statement that makes a differnce between open source software and free software.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: free software definition = http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: It doesn't fail clause 1
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec spent a two day meeting once where the main point of the discussion was the meaning of the word leaf
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: There was no aggregate software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Lugaru HD is free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: all free software is open source, but not all open source software is free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they just didn't release the artwork
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: tech but what is the difference?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: read the damn link i pasted
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: there's a pretty clear definition of free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: there are a number of different, and more precise descriptions that define various entities and these are not all exactly the same. You are looking for a short answer to a question where all answers are detailed. You are not going to get a short answer. 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: sorry, but then I think someone needs to go back to the drawing board
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Lugaru HD isn't freeware, much less free software.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: if the difference between two terms cannot be defined, then something is wrong
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: whole lotta derp on tech today 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: leinei: lugaru HD was released under the GPL. that makes it free software.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Only the engine was
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Ranrr: the difference is one of philosophically based terminology. "open source" as defined by the OSI is actually "free software". But calling something "open source" misses the entire point of explicitly declaring personal freedoms.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: it can and has been defined... refusing to understand it isn't helping anyone
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I am not refusing
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: did you check the gnu link?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it has a pretty clear definition
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I have read the entire GPL license (and BSD, and many more).
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: sounds like you're refusing to understand or even looking into it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm not asking you to read the license
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: calling something "open source" is wholely ambiguous about the nature of your freedoms. something can have source that is open but still be proprietary software that does not allow you to modify or redistribute it.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: read THIS - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but just stating that the answer is in the link does not make it so
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: especially if you don't read it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes. especially if you don't read it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: essentially the industry has operationalized the terms as being different in that "open source" does not imply full liberty but merely access to the source. yes the term is technically ambiguous and has in the past been differently defined by certain authorities. and there is GOOD reason it has its present definition: so we have a word to describe a DIFFERENT scenario
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: its pretty simple really
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and you may say "but the OSI has declared 'open source' to mean thus!" and that's because eric raymond doesn't care about freedom
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i never even knew "free software" existed
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: and my view is that richard stallman does not care about freedom
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the more you know.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's a TERRIBLE name
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sorry
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I honestly don't see GPL as a free license
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: the osi has defined plenty of things that have developed much different definitions
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so use the WTFPL
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the WTFPL is recognized by the FSF as a valid free license
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i drafted my own licenses... one for free (except for military purposes), one for open source, one for closed source freeware, and one for commercial
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: they're all derivatives of MIT license
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: ok, I found the difference
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that wikileaks guy is an arsehole, by all accounts, as well
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Open source is a development methodology
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: fail.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: free software is a social movement. 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Ranrr: it can be, but need not be.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: different definition of same phrase
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: that's from gnu.org
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i quit
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I am a developer, not a social person
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean "open source" as defined by the OSI
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the OSI defines open source to be very similar in practice to free software, but without taking a moral stance on why it's good. not everyone agrees with OSI.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: to me it seems like gnu just wants everyone to use their version because it is better, not because there is a real difference
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: to me, what I can do with the source is the important thing 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: they think that it is better because it emphasis the social context more
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the legal framework is much the same
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: preserving freedom is morally important
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: sure, but I don't need another term to do that
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you absolutely do, because people need to be made aware of the concept of software freedom
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: free software predates open source by many years
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: words are powerful, and different words have different impact
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: yeah, so?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: so the question is whether we needed the words "open source"
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and so when you say "open source" you aren't necessarily communicating "free software". and language is about communicating ideas
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I come from the camp which thinks that it has just confused the issue
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: and I disagree
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yes, I gather that
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: not everyone agrees that Open Source is good? damn right there
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I think it's a much better term, because free softwaresounds too much like freeware
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so call it FLOSS
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: How about calling it free source :)
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: once upon a time we just had shareware and that was it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: because it is not the source that is free, it includes the use of the software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: when was that?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: free software predates taht also, I think
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: floss has been around since the 60's, at least
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: of it's time, shareware == free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: open source works better in swedish than free software
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and yet it means the wrong thing philosophically
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: software freedom is a philosophy
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I respect your opinion, but disagree with it :)
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: open source software is a problem these days because people use it as a means of doing things on the cheap
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Arrr, maytees, Software freedom has but one name - piracy!  And it's a scurvy son of a sea dog that don't take wat's 'is for the takin'.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can only hope that one day you come to understand the importance of semiosis.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: whole argument only exists because people, as a general stereotype, are crooks
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: then yes, there is going to be another release
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: sorry mischan
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, helluva long thread on free vs oss vs freeware, but sorry fiendish and others, you're wrong. YOUR defined use of the term free software conforms to how you're determining it to be meant. That is *NOT* the definition of free software. There is NO agreed-upon definition for it. Had you read the wikipedia article which Leinei quoted, and which Fiendish said that he was just about to quote, it starts out saying that very thing. despite what Stallman would like you to believe, he didn't originate the term, and FSF is no authority on the term whatsoever
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: 'so there'
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You rapidly nod twice at Feral Farkyss, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the term free software means way the hell too many different things to different people, and stamping your feet and re-stating that your definition is right doesn't make it so
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you are right, as always
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hah
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: So you all agree to disagree?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: pretty much
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: now FOSS is much less ambiguous, I've never really seen FLOSS used but that might be a language thing
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: FLOSS (weekly) is a podcast
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, anything can be a podcast
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the l is for libre, which disambiguates free
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: cuz LOSS is a bad acronym :D
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nodnod, just haven't seen it in use
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://en.flossmanuals.net/
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: didn't say it wasn't in use, said I haven't seen it in (known/widespread) use
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sure sure, I gotcha. just showing an example
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: Any gq-cycle plugins for mush around?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is one, I'd have to look for where it's located though
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oops, sorry, I was thinking of a moons script...I'm not sure if there's a public GQ cycle script
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: people keep wanting one though
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I wonder why
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they're handy
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: to know if you should stay on that extra 20 minutes you don't really need to :)
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bast, plans to make one?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: don't really need it just wanted to see how it works
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: eventually, maybe, not really high on the priority list though
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: seeing how it works is pretty easy...can check out ones for other clients
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: got one for zmud,didn't fully understand it...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's one for tf on my site
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm not sure how much I've changed it from the posted one to the one I'm running, but it's functional and commented
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: I'll have a look at it.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ok i got the new mush loaded do i just copy my old database file over so that settings and rooms explored on map will transfer over
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes. follow the instructions
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Oh yeah, the instructions suggest copying over the world file, but there's a better way with less problems.  Import from your old world file.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: what instruction i didnt see any in the folder
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: On the download page.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm   <- there is a section on upgrading
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: stupid rpi needs to bring up my home directory so that I can get my files off their server :\
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I mean, I'm glad they have backups and all, but this uptime ratio is getting pathetic
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: xaxz, if there's a better way to transfer world file stuff, write a note about it to lasher
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, when did you move out to MA?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Ok, will do.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: about 2.5 years ago
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, can't really fault them too much, given that your acct still exists
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish chuckles politely.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: still, I can pay nearlyfreespeech.net a few dollars per year and not have this problem
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the last MUD I admin'd on was on Alfred U's servers. the guy that went there when it was started had graduated a couple years ago when one of the servers died...that's when the MUD closed, since we no longer had anyone at the school to petition for it :P
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: of course this was like 14 years ago, it was a Sun3
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I ran it for a bit out of the house on a Mac running NetBSD, then got it mostly working on my alphastation, but the code needed lots of work to be happy on 64-bit
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bast, what kind of keywords?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: any kind, like maybe sancdoor1, so I can go straight to the door and unlock it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: in sanctity of course
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hm. seems clumsy.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: easier to remember keyword then the id, I can't remember if it is 32105 or 37463
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and that was made up, because it isn't either of those
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and then it could replace runto altogether, just set a keyword at the beginning of the area and mapper goto <keyword>
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nod. can you use mapper bookmarks?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not that you can goto a bookmark
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but maybe 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: er, i guess they're called notes now
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mapper notes
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I use mapper bookmarks, but the only way to see them is to run "mapper bookmarks" which does a pathfind to all the ones you have basically
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I could do a plugin that just overloads runto and keeps up with the keywords internally
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: seems simplest to have an alias with a table of keywords,uid pairs
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yeah, but you know me, I want to overcomplicate it ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: bast you around?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ok ive installed the new mush and plugins from bast's but one of them seems to be doing a whois on me everyone and awhile anyone know which one it is
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's a virus! don't panic!
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: seems to happen every tick
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd guess it's broadcast_whois
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: no not that one
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doing a find on whois in the v5 folder, I see broadcast_whois and statDB
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: statdb
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: just got it 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: hehe
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: thnks
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: can you sent any key to a macro in mush or are you limited by what is listed under the macro menu
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: err set that is
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read documentation on accelerators
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: believe there's an option in prefs somewhere to allow any key to be set as a macro
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i do not believe that that is the case
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://mushclient.com/scripts/doc.php?function=Accelerator
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: using mushclient 4.71 for aard, and now the autohunt feature doesnt work, any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: have alrady reloaded plugin and restarted client
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what exactly do you mean by "doesn't work"?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does your prompt end with %c?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also, the latest client package uses 4.72 not 4.71
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: it now says what direction to go but doesn't send the direction and i don't know
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: type auto and read help prompt
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: [%h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %qqt %Xtnl]
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: type the following ...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: prompt [%h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %qqt %Xtnl]%c
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what is your battle prompt?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: [Fighting: %h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %Xtnl%b ]>
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: assuming it's all standard, i didn't change anything
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then also type the following...
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bprompt [Fighting: %h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %Xtnl%b ]>%c
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: done
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: now try again
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: still says auto hunt on, and gives dirction but doesn't send it to the mud
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hm. I suppose there could be a bug in the plugin still
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ask bast about it
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or swalec
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: or i may need to go the current version
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: possible
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: been working for a couple of times then i would have to restart the hunt, mmm 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the latest snapshot of the official client package can be found here: http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/files/MUSHclient.zip
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: follow the instructions for upgrading in the middle of this page: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then get the latest version of Bast's plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: ya, only been using what came with the package
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: where do i find bast's plugins?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: finger bast
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: finger bast
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: whats the symbol used to use in mush to use a variable in a alias i know in zmud it was @
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: i take it most people don't use the aardwofl_autohunter_lau?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I think autohunt is pretty lame, to be honest :/
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: me to, but i also think arthritus is pretty lame
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: getvariable raistlin
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: oh i seen that in the help file but how is it used when i go to write the alias like this c getvariable.mainspell
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Arthritis sucks.  Scripting to reduce pain is legit as long as no rules are broken.
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leonassan Tech: All aliases and triggers cause HITLER!
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: GetVariable("mainspell")
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: oh 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: Send("c "..GetVariable("mainspell")) in lua
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: thnks think im on the right track now 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: anyone have the nokia n900?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Anyone here experienced with msfrpcd?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: in MUSH is it possible to add a delay/sleep to an alias via a scripting command of some kind?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: read help for DoAfterSpecial
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: use the wait script
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: derp, didn't search for Wait, lol
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i need some help i have made a alias ^mm (.*?)$ to send mapper area (.*?) but when it runs it doesnt trigger the mapper search for the mush gmcp map any ideas
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: send to execute
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: is there a help file in the client that describes what each of thoes sento's do that seems to be my hang up
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sento?
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sendto
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: most of them should be obvious from the name
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: ahh that makes more sense
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: send to world is like typing to aardwolf
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'm not actually clear on the difference between send to script and send to execute, but I don't make many standalone triggers that aren't inside plugins
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: aye just dont understand why when set to sento worl i seen it send mapper area test which is a room in my manor and it said  sorry i dont undertand you
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: world sends it verbatim, execute acts as if you typed it into command line, script will parse it as a lua prog
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: send to world is like typing to aardwolf *with aliases turned off*
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: output just makes it appear on screen
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: send to execute is typing with aliases turned on
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ok 
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so you should do send to execute for that one, then
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: haven't really used the rest :p
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: send to script will execute the send to as a script
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: thnks for all the help and paitecnce yall
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: and putting up with my horrible typing/spelling
T3/r2/2011-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: hehe
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nivlem Tech: does anyone knows how to set short cut for spells ? 
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what kind of question is that?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: meaning?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nivlem Tech: I'm on a mac using crossover for MUSH client 
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: sounds like you should start with help alias
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what kind of spells?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: have you tried using the keypad?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nivlem Tech: Magic Missle and these sorts lol...my client keeps force closing whenever I try to assign a spell to a key 
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nivlem Tech: was wondering if any of you had experience the same problem
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: have not had that problem, sorry.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sounds like a bug in crossover
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Can use mud aliases instead, help alias
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: try using the sn for the spell. I have keys assigned to some spells and I have no problems.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nivlem Tech: sorry but whats sn ? 
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: spell number
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sor magic missile it would be c 62
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nivlem Tech: Alright I'd do that. Thanks alot
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: though I would go the alias route, you won't be casting magic missile forever and you'll want to change the spell. Easier done in an alias
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: lasher is a genius. serial numbers are essential for inventory mgmt
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't think he invented the idea of serial numbers.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: nah, but never seen it in a mud before
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I have
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Maybe not, but if he gets it patented first, he can make a fortune!
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanaye Tech: Anyone know a free firewall bypass program? Instead of like for example PingFU UDP?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: just bought a 64GB Crucial SSD for 75 dollars :D
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: ah, the same one my other pc is using, pricy isn't it
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: how do you add a carriage return in lua? \n doesn't seem to work.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: oi, lua, give me my carriage back?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu laffs.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: no seriously, how do you add a to next line symbol in a string?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: \n is just new line \n\r would be new line + cr
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: ah okay
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: one would assume
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: what was the command someone told me the other night to toggle my CP miniwindow?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: mcp CP toggle
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: are you having to do it everytime you start the client too?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I have to do it everytime I take a dang cp :(
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: yea same, i just got a cp and i had to do it to toggle the miniwindow to show.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: alias your cp request to do cp r;mcp CP toggle
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: You gotta add a delay if you do that though, or use the alias twice
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: are there any other miniwindows that may be blocking your cp miniwindow until toggling it raises it?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: does anyone know how to match a trigger to a variable? Do I just type match=variablename or do I encase it in quotes?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: What you trying to do exactly?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: and we talking MUSH here?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: teh variable name might need to be ariablename.. and maybe click expand variables.. jsut guesses 
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: Yes, MUSH, and scripting in lua
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: teh variable name might need to be @variablename.. and maybe click expand variables.. jsut guesses 
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: if you put checkbox in Expand Variables, you can use ariablename
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: @variablename
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hehe you did the same thing as me!
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: otherwise think you need to GetVariable("variablename")
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: no, I'm scripting it in lua, not using the MUSH GUI
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: kuro: writing a plugin? follow examples in other plugins.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah trying, but the plugins I'm browsing through all match on a string, not on a variable.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: as in, the triggers match on a string, not a variable
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SelannaNokti Tech: anyone here willing to help me set up a trigger?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: in the trigger line "* Tech: *"
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: in the the space below "echo %1 says %2"
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: Anyone using Bast's quest miniwindow?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Yes, Kuro
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: does your [TARGET] show up after the mob?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Yes.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: crap =(
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: any idea how to make mine show again>
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: now you get how it works, Selanna?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Are you certain you're looking at the correct instance of that mob name?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that plugin does nothing to hide the [TARGET] in the output window, it doesn't even have a trigger to check for any mob
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SelannaNokti Tech: umm.. i just typed in what you said, lol. 
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: yes, I killed it and it gave me the quest complete
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: and you see an echo for every tech?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: oh okay, damn.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SelannaNokti Tech: echo?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it gets all its info from gmcp
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the line being repeated
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SelannaNokti Tech: umm.. i don't think anything's changed
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: make sure the trigger is enabled and change the blank space to "gtell %1 says %2" and all without quotes
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: just type something when you're done
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SelannaNokti Tech: type
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: worked?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SelannaNokti Tech: it's the same as before =/
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SelannaNokti Tech: i think?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: check again that the enable trigger box is checked in both the main page and after when you double click this trigger as well
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: is there a command line one can enter to input a simple trigger for mush? would want one for an example
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JackTheWolf Tech: does MUSHclient work well with aardmud?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: As well as comparable clients
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JackTheWolf Tech: what are "comparable clients"? just other ones of the same type?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myriel Tech: If you download the Aardwolf plugin version it works extremely well
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JackTheWolf Tech: ah ok. forgot my jumpdrive today ^^ thanks 
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: zmud/cmud
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: you can type clients to see what others are using
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JackTheWolf Tech: ok i'm using the MUD client from the site. it is MUSH...love the UI =) thanks for the advice
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: On the Aardclient, how do i refresh the status bar with health, tnl, etc? It for some reason isn't working it says it will start once I "start playing"
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mitsunari Tech: Are you awake and moving?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mitsunari Tech: If all else fails, just reinstall the plugin in the plugins menu.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: When I reinstall, the map one is blank so I typed "map" and it loaded up- this one is still gone
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: What would i have to name an alias that has two strings? like this is wrong but i thought it was 'socialdo * *' referring to the first asterisk as %1 (which worked) and the second asterisk as %2 (which didn't). how do I name this correctly?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: I figured it out, it was 'text '*' '*''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that makes sense!
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Can I ask a ludite question?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Or is it luddite?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: How do I disable the chat from the normal client and just have room info and fighting on my main screen for aard client?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: How do I write an expression for a target in MUSHclient for a spell?  In Zmud it used to be spellname %1.  Doesn't seem to work with MUSH.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: If I understand your question correctly, you're using aardwolf and don't want the chat that's redirected to the Comm Log to show in the main window?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: divinorum right click on the chat window for all kinds of options
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: select "turn echo off"
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: spank clarify the question, please
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Xaxz, yes
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Div, Fiendish answered your question.  Right-click the communication log for many options.  Select "turn echo off"
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Ok, I go into the "alias" dialog box.  I want to write an expression for CAST 'ENCHANT WEAPON' *****.  The ***** used to be %1 in Zmud, but that doesn't work in MUSH.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Assuming your name is 'aliasname', make the name 'aliasname *' and the content '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: 'c 'enchant weapon' %1'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: To do two, simply make it 'aliasname '*' '*'' and add the %2 string, 'c 'enchant weapon' %1
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: and then the second with the %2
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: How do I freeze the location of my plugins on MUSHclient so when I log off they are in the same place?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: File->save
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Ok this is what I have so far, I've named my alias ENWE for Enchant Weapon (clever, eh?), and I've entered  c 'enchant weapon' %1 in the dialog box.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Make sure the alias name is 'enwe *'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Without external quotes, obviously
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Now when I type enwe whip I get  Sorry Spank, you can't do that.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Aliases enabled?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Yeah, my other, simple aliases work fine (ones without targets).
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: did you put the * in the name?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: If your alias name is  enwe *  and your script for it is  c 'enchant weapon' %1  , it should work. Are you sure it's like that?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: I did not put an asterisk in the name.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: everyone said you have to
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: There's your problem.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why would you not?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Well I'll be damned.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Works fine guys!  Thanks.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: Did it work?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divinorum Tech: No problem :)
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Oh, BTW, you never had to put the asterisk in ZMUD, years ago.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: different programs work differently
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: zmud != mush
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: can any one explain whats wrong with send("cast ".. getvariable("mainspell")) 
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Isn't case important for commands?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: e.g., Send and GetVariable
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: im not sure truthfully still learnin lua myself
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: this is the error i get
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: [string "Alias: "]:1: attempt to call global 'getvariable' (a nil value)
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yeah, it doesn't recognize it as the function GetVariable
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ahh learned something new thnks
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riazin Tech: how do i define a macro say Ctrl-Z with mush-client? Anyone?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read documentation on accelerators
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riazin Tech: where do i find 'documentation on accelerators'? There is no in the mush-client help?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes there is
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://mushclient.com/scripts/doc.php?function=Accelerator
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riazin Tech: is there a commad that can be used to load accelerators at start-up?
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: dump them into a plugin somewhere
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riazin Tech: k
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can also post a request on the mushclient forums for a proper interface for setting accelerators globally
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: so when I get a line on the same line as my prompt, my miniwindow wont capture it, like such:[278/282hp 322/322mn 636/636mv 0qt 391tnl] > *[NOEXP]* You still have to kill * the father (The Amusement Park)        any way to prevent this?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Put a %c at the end of your prompt?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: put %c at the end of your prompt
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Anybody on running MUSHClient under Wine on Ubuntu?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Wine 1.0
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ubuntu 10.10
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: thinkpad x201i
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: any tweaks to improve performance?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: actually, wine 1.0.1
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that all depends
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what graphics chip do you have?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: app-emulation/wine-1.3.13
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Hmm, don't know off the top of my head. Checking.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: but not ubuntu (shouldn't depend on distribution anyway)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the only reason I ask is because of an incompatibility between latest intel graphics drivers and newer versions of Wine
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: I think I don't know how to tell. Adapter says Radeon HD 3200
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then you're probably fine
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess some people recommend installing winetricks
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: uh...get the ms core fonts pack
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you should try the latest wine if you can, 1.3.13 got some fixes for clipboard that really help in mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: It seems fine, a little slow on painting the screen. 1.3.13? I just grabbed it and I have 1.2.2.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: anyone tried porting mushclient to linux?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I've also heard that running from the command line with the /wine switch may improve performance
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Ranrr: that will never happen
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: That is what I am doing.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: why?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient is not really portable
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's rather heavily tied into windows system specifics
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: source code is available, but heavily depends on windows-only UI libraries
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the best you'll get is running through wine
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Huan is agreeing with that Ol' Dirty Fiendish person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: so it can be done, but probably not worth doing...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not really
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: at the end you would not have a port. you would likely have a complete rewrite
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: OK, thanks. I was just wondering if there was some "common knowledge" about it that I hadn't heard of. I won't try to solve a non-existent problem. It's working well.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: slow screen draws is likely a driver issue
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: It is a VirtualBox VM, so your are likely right, there.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wait, what?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: but then you don't use ATI driver, but the vbox one :)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you're using virtualbox inside of what?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Inside Windows 7. 
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and the reason you don't just run mushclient from windows is because...?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Because I can totally screw up my VM and go back to a snapshot in a minute. Screw up Windows and you are in for a battle.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wait
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: let me get this straight...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: ok, I was hoping it would be "I'm preparing for migration"... this seems bit silly
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: I keep the host as pristine as possible, and play in the guests.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you boot your computer into windows 7, but because you think that windows is so fragile you do everything inside of a virtual machine running a different OS?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Yep.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's why your performance sucks, not because of wine
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Of course windows are fragile!  One good toss with a brick...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jhav ducks defensively.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you do realize that you could just back up your computer, right?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Well, the overhead of windows 7 + vbox + ubuntu + wine has got to be fairly huge...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and that mushclient is completely standalone and therefore doesn't touch the system at all?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yeah - run Bast's MUSH from a flash drive if you're worried.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: doesn't it store some trivial stuff in registry? Like what worlds to open at startup, global preferences...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Huan shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the aardwolf client package is completely standalone
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: preferences are stored in a preferences file in the mushclient directory
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and Pedwiddle: bast doesn't make that anymore
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: he makes an addon pack for the official client package now
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Ah - cool, sorry.  Haven't been keeping up since going back to tf.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: It is a thought. I have been using Linux compatible clients up until now. I might think about moving it up to the host.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: imo, your current setup is ridiculous
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: windows 7 is not so fragile
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and if you really think it is fragile, why boot into it at all
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Where is the MUSHclient mapper data stored? Is it easily moved?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: NVM, I see it came across OK.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Does anyone know where I can get some zMUD scripts?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lots of places
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Lol, well, got one you would recommend?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh hey, my website is back up. 
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that means you can go to http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~kelmaa/Aardwolf/
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: until I transfer to the contents over to the new not-porn.com server
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Lol.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also alhena and atreidess have zmud scripts
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe others
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh. 
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then I guess it's not back online fully yet
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the rpi cs department keeps having really bad server outages
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sorry. try again later
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gunshin nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: No worries.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh wait
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just replace not-porn.com with the www.cs.rpi.edu/~kelmaa part
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that should work
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: like I said, I need to transfer the files and stuff over to the new not-porn.com server
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Oooh. Lol.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: That works.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: now that I know it's back up, I'll move stuff later today
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: I see myself getting disconnected and reconned a lot when I open the Debugger in CMUD.  I only see the message in the debugger and I see [ Connect time exceeded - Disconnecting ].  Does anyone else see this?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zefoj Heafmo Tech: is it supposed to be straightforward to install the spellup plugin from gammon.com onto the new mushclient? directories and plugins stated to be required by the thread at http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=8780
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zefoj Heafmo Tech: aren't there
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: don't use that
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't use that one
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use bast's
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a first-gen from years ago
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast's started out with that one but has been improved over the years (including fixing glitches)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zefoj Heafmo Tech: is the link the one in his finger?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zefoj Heafmo Tech: I'm lazy, thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast has streamlined the install process for his stuff...the download is a zipfile with all his stuff in one folder...just put that into your plugins folder...then do file -> plugins, add, choose whichever one(s) you want
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zefoj Heafmo Tech: Heafmo-proof, fantastic xD
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'll enable prerequisites and you can choose a la carte
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zefoj Heafmo Tech: would anyone know why bast's spellup plugin isn't casting anything?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: add spells to it
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zefoj Heafmo Tech: tried spellup all, spellup resume, spellup fast
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and stand up
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: fix your prompt
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your prompts need to end in %c
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i thought that had been fixed
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in MUD code, the change was to make sure that %c worked always, not to add %c to people's prompts
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's still left as an option to the player to have a stupid prompt that will break every plugin ever
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: ohh ok sorry
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in fact, that's the default
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it used to be that things like the noexp flag would be on the next line after the %c
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so the noexp flag would essentially be another unterminated prompt
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the change Lasher made was to look for a %c, if one exists, put the flags before it instead of after
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: nods, get it now
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zefoj Heafmo Tech: shouldn't have any issues though should I alter my prompt?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: this spellup plugin you guys are talking about, it'll auto spellup after they wear off?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: because mine last no time at all at this level :(
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: which spellup plugin are you talking about?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast's
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: idk I dont have it :P
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fiendish, does the new client still use a client-side afk mode thingie?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (technical term there, folks)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't think so
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: good, imo that was silly and defeated the best purpose of things like the spellup plugin :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I use it because it's nice to see a list of spellups thats autoupdated sorted by time, especially the sorted by time is neat
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I keep it in minimized mode, because I don't have that much screen space these days
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Which reminds me did someone make something similar for combat affects? I mean I cast ego whip and when succesful it gets added on a miniscreen.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: If not I could try making it.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how would you be able to monitor that?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you'd need to know one MOB from another while fighting, and tbh, don't bother using maladictions
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Just a simple aproach triggers for the lines like the monster is egowhipped (or whatever it says).
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that will never work properly
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but it won't know that your current target is ego whipped when you're fighting that target's next-of-kin
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Could just clear it when it notices a kill
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: c ego guard, 3 other guards jump in...ego whip is only one one of them
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It'd work properly most of the time.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: do mobs really last long enough to worry?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no tiger :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you really shouldn't be using ego whip
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: True, but just as a mush excercise :)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's much more efficient to just attack
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if it's an exercise, then by all means :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I've noticed that when it matters I just cast whatever does the most damage.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Thanks for the tip though :)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: could someone send me a tell to help me set up my client? I'm not sure which plugins to install
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I have all the ones that come with the new client, but I want some of basts' plugins too.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: one assumes therefore you're talking about mushclient
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: anyone?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: www.not-porn.com/Aardwolf is now finally moved over to its new host.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: with luck that means it won't go down anymore
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darsalla Tech: Can somebody help me with a wireless network issue?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Depends on the issue
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: let's here it.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: hear
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darsalla Tech: I lost my password. My brother is trying to connect his laptop. Do you know how to recover the network password?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Windows i assume?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Just factory reset the router and reconfigure it.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: if you reset your Modem
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: You can just save it to a flash drive
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darsalla Tech: Yes, it's a linksys router.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: did you try admin admin
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: for User and pw?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: or admin, password
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darsalla Tech: factory reset it. That's where you push a paperclip or pencil for about 30 seconds right?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: There's a button on the back that you can hold down to reset it if necessary.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: 10 seconds should do it
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: That's right
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orruk Tech: resets his router and he'll be kicked off-line most likely
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Or go to your router page
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Go to your router page, try admin, and admin/passord (one of them) to log in, and get the WEP encryption key
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darsalla Tech: I typed in the ip address, but it wants a user name and password, which I can't recall.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: should be 192.168.1.1 by default I bleieve
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orruk Tech: try admin/<blank> or <blank>/admin
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger nods at Maskull.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Unledd they're double nat'd
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's assuming it's WEP, hopefully it is not.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Well, you can get any of the encryption, regardless.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darsalla Tech: thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: admin default, user default, admin (blank) etc.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Iirc mine was admin/admin
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Your router should have a sticker somewhere w/ the info
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: If it's a WRT54G, the default should be blank for username and "admin" for password.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Ehh, that's linksys, right?  Think it's the other way around Maskull
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Hopefully when he set all this up, the defaults were changed :/
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: I have a WRT54g and mine was admin admin  case sensitive.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: just hit the reset button
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: That's what I thought too, but I just saw that on some webpage.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orruk Tech: resetting is rarely the answer. it's a last resort
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I got alot of errors when trying to load some of basts' plugins into the new aardwolf client (MUSHclient). Any advice or a list of what I can/can't use?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Resetting is the wrong way to fix things
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: not if he doesnt know the login credentials, not like hes got a bunch of custom port mapping and whatnot...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orruk Tech: he should be trying our suggestions for the defaults first
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: if you connect main PC to the router via ethernet cable, you may be able to just change password? I think I did it this way, had the same issue and didn't want to reset the router
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: agreed but if the defaults arent accepted..
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, we gave him the credentials without much ado
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Darsalla, any luck?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Well, don't suggest a reset until the plausible is tried first :P
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I disagree - if the password is stale enough that you can't remember it, you're overdue for changing it anyway.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: yeah it sort of looked like they were, to no avail
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orruk Tech: bad thing would be if he was on AT&T with PPPoE, resetting would kick him off until PPPoE was set back up again
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: bad thing would be if he was on AT&T with PPoE.  (Fixed that for you)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orruk Tech: fixed my spelling of PPPoE?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Why did you correct it?  The correct is PPPoE
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I was implying that PPPoE with AT&T sucks.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orruk Tech: heheh, well it was also just an example, tried to think of a common one. I happen to work for verizon *duck
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: run...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I just got my iphone with verizon :)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( anything with AT&T sucks... )
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus is agreeing with that Undertaken Anaristos person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: What was the website you could put a code snapshot on for others to view and change?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: pastebin?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: That was it, thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Could someone familiar with Bast's broadcast_xxx plugins have a look at my levelup broadcast code?  It was working fine before but now I'm not actually getting any info other than level gained.  Trains/pracs and any other gains are showing up as zero.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: http://pastebin.com/hA2xMYqg
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: ok, i need some advice.. just started using mushclient last night and saved a bunch of aliases.. came on today and they are gone... took some notes on notepad and those are still there... any idea on what happened? dont want to redo 100 aliases if they are still lurking somewhere.. and need to make sure i can secure them in the future
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: If you didn't save your world file before quitting, they're gone.  The aardclient comes with a plugin which saves the world file every once in a while.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no it doesn't
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Really?  hmmm....
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: used to maybe.. hmmm.. or maybe I just picked one up off gammon's site a while back
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: ok, but pretty sure i did save it... at least i saved repeatedly when putting it in, and got a save request when i quit.. 
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: wondering if i saved to wrong file..
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: gastro: don't know. maybe. open your world file with a text editor
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: fiendish could you go invisi so I can send you a tell ?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tezaal thanks fiendish
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: how do i do that fiend?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's the file called Aardwolf.mcl in the worlds folder
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see if you accidentally made a different world file somewhere
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: hmm. when i look in worlds i have a plugin folder, an aardwolf.mud file, and the notes i made to myself last night.... entitled Gas Notes 
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: aardwolf.mud or aardwolf.mcl?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: aardwolf.mud.. which is how i opened it in first field with quck connect
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why did you do that?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is this an old world file that you imported into the package from before?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: its just a name i put into first field.. numbers go into next two fields.. ending with 4000.. 
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right, but the aardwolf client package has a world file already created for you
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and it loads automatically
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so you shouldn't need to use that dialog
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which is why I'm wondering what prompted you to do this
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when you load the aardwolf client for the very first time, you should see something that looks like this...  http://www.aardwolf.com/images/mush-help.jpg
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: clicking on the x in the top right corner will dismiss the message and load a connection to aardwolf automatically
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: ok, now i just managed to disconnect myself from game.. by clicking on aardmud.org in world file.. opened up an empty world that i couldnt get out of, had to close everything
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: ok, just saw your comments on -hist fiend... i dont think i got those options when i loaded for first time..
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what operating system do you use?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: using windows seven on a mac because the mac systems i tried implement were unusable and only subsequently discovered needed windows to use mush... 
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: well you can run it with wine
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I use mushclient in wine on linux, but wine on the mac is harder to set up I think
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Nah, not if you get binaries.  It's easier, even.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: yeah, i am trying to keep things simple.. i am sure for the technically oriented, wine is fine
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: just dont understand how all that saved info could just disappear.. is there any place it might be besides world? and what should i put into first field from now on?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: it wasn't saved... thats your problem. save it before you quit
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: gastro, hold on. let me post you a note explaining my take
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: or get newest aard client which saves it periodically
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: ok, good idea fiendish.. cuz i have to quit soon anyway, so a note might be a good reference.. all i can say, hero, is that i did save it, again and again, although when i quit i got save message that might have indicated it was saving to another file.. didnt recognize the name on that one
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: oh its probably chillin somewhere on your system then
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: but just said fuck it and saved that too
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: thats what i am thinking.. and want to unchill it
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: language..
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: reported speech..
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: rude
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: hehe, i found it
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tezaal  congratulates Gastro
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: got all the commands back...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: what i did was
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: just in case anyone asks you about this on tech chan again...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: mm, will explain after double... lasher obviously wants to celebrate this
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: is it just me, or is the miniwin_events missing from basts' package? (the one that is supposed to contain the quest, CP, and GQ windows) or is it just under a different name?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Called stats now
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ahh, thank you
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is in v6, not in v5
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: v6 has not been released yet
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: why hello bast :)
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I won't mention v6 I saw your title
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tezaal runs for his life
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: hey bast whens v6 coming out
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: well, I finally got the slowness of the spellup miniwin to almost nothing, so we may get a release this weekend
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tezaal starts digging herodotus' grave
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Bast, do you have a brief moment to look at my code using your broadcast_level plugin?  Suddenly I get no information other than level number.  Everything else showing up as zero.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: http://pastebin.com/hA2xMYqg
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: pastebin?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: 2 steps ahead.  It was working previously, but now nothing.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: nothing at all?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I see "You gained level 144!  0hp, 0mn, 0mv."
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I wonder if something else stopped working?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: But I don't know which of your addons speak to the other
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Sorry, "You gained level 144! 0 pracs, 0 train, 0hp, 0mn, 0mv"
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: any reason you aren't using statmonitor?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I'm having difficulty getting the moons plugin to work.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: be outside and see all 3 moons either rise/fall
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Hmm, I have your StatMonitor and the aardclient Aardwolf_Statmon.  Would they conflict?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I think statdb crashed on loadup actually.... hmm
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, aardwolf_statmon catches the statmon line, doesn't do anything with stats really
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gastro Tech: ok, so i went to file and hit open world... a blank world came up and i tried to enter that.. got some kind of message, something about if i wanted to open aardmud.org.. hit ok and returned to game.. this time with the aliases i had recorded.. so they were there.. i just need to work on my seamless return to where i was...
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Something crashes on startup I think.. let me quit/relog.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Hmm, didn't crash that time.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Well, I guess I'll level and see what happens
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you type statdb comp, do you see any good info?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Yep.
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ok, then you should be good to go, the first level, it may not give you the mob/xp count, but it should on the next level
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Cool, thanks!
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, what's the case sensitive matching syntax for sqlite?
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think case sensitivity is a pragma toggle
T3/r2/2011-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Ol' Dirty Fiendish, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: so, is there a way I can make an alias that does echo, and sends that echo to a separate window too?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: zmud 7.21
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use the #WIN command
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: #say {this stuff};#win {win} {this_stuff}?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: I'll try it.  thanks  :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: That's just a rough guess, i don't use zmud at all, so anyone that knows for sure feel free to correct me
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: hrrmm, zmud throws an infinite loop with :  echo %1;#win {Echo} %1
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: there is a tilde before that echo
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, i said #say, i don't think it reparses
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: what's it triggering off?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: or even just non-mudside echo, clientside #echo.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: throws an infinite loop
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: with echo or #echo or #say
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, the MUD's 'echo' command will resend to the client.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: no trigger, I just want an alias
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ok, so just add a special tag of your own creation to it so it's a different trigger and then #sub it to {}
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: since no one likes triggers on gtell, i'm trying to come up with a client side alternative to gtell -h
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: before i post an idea
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: this is not a trigger, it's an alias
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: #win {Echo} {%0};echo {~{echo~}%0};#sub {~{echo~}} {}
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so, zugg's making a client for the iphone/ipad :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: good luck with that
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm sure it will suck
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: infinite loop
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ok mr negativity.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: maybe just trigger off of the command echo instead of trying o make an alias...
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: As someone who has an iphone, I can honestly say I would not MUD from it.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: an ipad tho... its not bad
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: Nor would I from my android. Comparing my typing speeds.... ugh.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: wait
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm...apparently it's just a joke :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Blegh.... I rely on my typing speed... I suck terribly on my laptop compared to normal keyboard... I don't think I could stand ipod/pad typing
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: oops, had two aliases.  forgot.  hang on
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Well in theory you could use a bluetooth keyboard
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I would have to have 10x the aliases for something so crappy
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: speech-to-text :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: ok, so #say {this stuff}
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: ok, so #say {this stuff};#win {win} {this_stuff} worked  :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: my fault.  had two aliases, i forgot I didn't delete the first one  :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryand Tech: bt support will be in next vers of ipad mud client
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: now if I can only get the new window to dock  :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: unlock your layout 
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what kind of script are you doing, kal?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Tech -h, he already said
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: i'm trying to add an alias so that i can capture things i send to the mud via echo so that I can keep a history of echoes.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh, I see
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: right now most of that stuff goes to gtell so I can gtell -h.  but that is undesirable
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah, makes sense
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: so instead of rewriting every script i have to put stuff to a window, i can just knock it out with one little echo alias
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you could log to a file instead, or do you want to have it only stored temporarily and be on screen?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: we could use a tag for echos
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: or gmcp
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: i want temporary.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that kind of defeats the purpose of echo a little bit, myrkul
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: OK, so that didn
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: OK, so that didn't quite work.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: what got sent to my capture windo included all the color codes and stuff.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is that bad?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: hrrmmm.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: maybe i'll just post my idea to let single people use spouse.  that or get married to somebody just so i can spam spouse
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: There's easier ways to do it, I'm sure.... more so than spamming a seperate channel
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: write a small function to strip out color codes before echoing
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or convert to zmud colors
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: which is what I do :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it entails essentially one line of code using subregex
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i would have expected two lines
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, the meat is in one line, but yes, it is actually 3 lines total :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I am using cmud, so the last line is a #RETURN
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: #RETURN (%subregex( $string, $pattern, "<color %db( olordb, %ascii(\1))>") + "</color>")
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: colors
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: #RETURN (%subregex( $string, $pattern, "<color %db( @colordb, %ascii(\1))>") + "</color>")
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, I am trying to level so I will give this up atm :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone know why the latest version of flash player would cause videos played with iplayer to be split in half and doubled up?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or any solution thereof
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: seems this has to do with Adobe's fascination with releasing a new update every 3 and a half minutes. Their latest version of flash is buggy, solved with a downgrade
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: dunno why tv websites couldn't just use standard media files instead of forcing us to use adobe crap anyway
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: Hi
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: How do I work out (1-1/x) ^ 5 please?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: well, not 'work out', but simplify
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: its already simply? you mean expand?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: Well I guess so.....
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: I figured once I expanded it it might end up in a simpler form
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: But for a start yes, expand
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: I'm sure its very simply, I just can't remember the applicable rule
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: simple*
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: besides trying to multiply out (1-1/x)(1-1/x)(1-1/x)(1-1/x)(1-1/x)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: it doesn't really make it any simpler
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: Ok, but theoretically, what is the fastest way to expand that?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: use the coefficients from pascal's triangle
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: the binomial coefficients
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: How do I quickly see the roomid of the room i'm in?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: Is that simple?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: I'm not a maths guru.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: (1+1/n)^n=e when n->inf
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: Oh, its to do with logarithms?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: it'll be 1 - 5(1/x) + 10(1/x^2)-10(1/x^3)+5(1/x^4)-(1/x^5)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: e^(-i(pi)) = 1
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: no, people are throwing random stuff out now :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: misread what he wanted, sry :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Objlower
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jhav clears his throat loudly and looks around.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: i'm looking for a good web tutorial because formatting on channels sucks
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: speaking of which. what does the bracket with one number above and one number below mean in binomial expansion?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: http://www.themathpage.com/aprecalc/binomial-theorem.htm
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: Uh, so do logarithms even come into it?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: i mean within the brackets
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: no, logarithms do not come into it
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: cross products
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: brackets? or parentheses?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: what is the probability math will get you some?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: are you sure? It seems that question was asking for "simplify", I was expecting the solution to be a lot simpler than that.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: torunkes, exactly 1.0 if you're me
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: it is already as simplified as it can be imo but if you paste the entire problem it would be easier to help.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: don't even have the whole question, wish I did
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: also, (1-1/x) doesn't really say whether that's 1  - 1/x, or 1-1  / x...the second is pretty easy to simplify ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: according to standard order of operations it's not (1-1)/x :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: maybe its the answer to the question..?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: actually yeah, thanks abelinc
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: I think this guy has typed it out wrong
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not quite true, majic
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: but (1-1)/x is 0/x
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: eh? 
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: since we can't see the size of the /
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: when written across like this, division comes before subtraction.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: now I'm confused, guess it can't be 0/x
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: goodness knows why I have logs in my head
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: problem is that it likely wasn't written across like this
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: I'd get the guy to post the whole question to me but I think he went AFK to take drugs
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: of course it wasn't, but if it were (1-1)/x, firstly it would be a stupid trick problem, secondly lenia would have entered it wrong
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: that is why I said 'according to standard order of operations'
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: someone could learn how to use parentheses
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: both of which are quite highly probable
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: I guess its definitely (1-1/x)^5
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: meaning, assuming lenia didn't enter it wrong
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: not ((1-1)/x) ^ 5
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: horrible assumption
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: but you said (1-1/x) doesn't really say ... and it does. if lenia meant something else, she entered it wrong.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: and we've ascertained that she didn't.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: what exactly are you trying to do, expand it?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: apparently "simplify"
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: apparently
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: thats the simplest form...
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: and I'm not expecting it to be remotely complicated
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: lenia, the only possible way i could think of to make it any simpler is to notice that (1-1/x) is (x-1)/x, and expand the numerator and denominator separately.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: simplify is a very poor word to apply, they probably meant 'expand', but if it's high school level it's possible that the teacher just uses 'simplify' when she means 'expand' :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: assuming this guy has moronically only pasted half the question
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: could Anadorr Tech: (1+1/n)^n=e when n->inf apply?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: they apply simplify in too a liberal context and without specific instructions..
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: no, it absolutely could not
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: why?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: he's taking a limit, what level math are you working on?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: it doesnt apply
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: I'm not working on any maths
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: but this is apparently A-level
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: what level math are you trying to help someone on then? :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: if 5 is the limit of "infinity" maybe. =D
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: nad if x = 5...
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}-|Cabal|- Hodor Tech: It's where one of my hands runs out... not yet infinity but a big number to be sure
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: that too
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: the reason we know it doesn't apply is that saying 'x is 5' does not mean 'x goes to infinity' -- it is probably just to give him practice with expanding things using the binomial coefficients
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: where are you taking your A levels lenia?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: it's not lenia, it's someone else who pasted the question to her :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: oh
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: pfft, I'm not even gonna waste my time any more
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: but its gonna irk me now
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: yeah anyway about A levels, there's a big variance of difficulty from say the uk standard.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: he got back to me saying "oh, maybe it meant expand then, or something"
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: change lenia to 'guy that posted the problem'...question still applies...what course is this from?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: it's an A level, she said
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: like I said, A level maths
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: an a level doesn't answer what course...
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: there are different a level maths globally
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: well there is no simplified form of that, here is the expansion... 1 - 5/x + 10/x^2 - 10/x^3 + 5/x^4 - 1/x^5
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: Uh, A level maths UK?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: that's what I said a while back :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: who knows specifically which exam board....
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: expand (x - 1/x)^5, simplying the coefficients
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: but i'm guessing (1 - 1/x)^5 would require just basic binomial theorem
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: that's the full question, apparently
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: x-1/x is diferent than 1-1/x :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: here's another tutorial on pascal's triangle which is somewhat more basic, http://www.wtamu.edu/academic/anns/mps/math/mathlab/col_algebra/col_alg_tut54_bi_theor.htm
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: OMG
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: send him the link and tell him to do his own revision :D
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: just go to wolfram alpha
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: pass him a dictionary with the answer  1 - 5/x ...........
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: wolfram alpha won't help him on his exams :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: what a total idiot
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: whats to help its multiplication across... seriously its not even "math"
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: even I can work that one out
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leonassan Tech: My son (18 months) brings me a cable, I say to him "What's this?" he doesn't answer, so I say "It's a 4-pin molex to SATA splitter" he looks at me, turns, and walks away.  :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: he's just finished smoking a fat doobie that's why
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: rofl
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: he is not even doing A level maths
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: Leonassan that is awesome
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: didn't think that would be a level :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: i'm guessing its Ordinary level?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: he just bought the books because he wants to sharpen up his mind after 5 years of constant weed smoking
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: O levels don't exist any more
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: hahahaha. he should probably start with a gcse revision for adults then, seriously
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: who are you talking about
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: if he's forgotten how to expand stuff like that i think an A level would be too difficult for him :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Lenia, tell him that the best way to sharpen up his mind after 5 years of smoking weed is to start smoking amphetamine.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: oh, he already has A level maths
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: but that was 5 years ago
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: Thanks Starling, I'll be sure to pass on your advice
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: start adderall... helps him study =X
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: i was serious though. basically about every year you take off without doing math will set you back about a half-year's worth of learning, on average, and smoking pot accelerates that :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: he should find something on 'gcse revision for busy adults' and whip through it quickly to remind himself, then start over :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: I don't see how getting toked up before a maths session is really going to help him anyway
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: thats retarded. i went 3 years between multivariable and complex and smoked about 50 pounds of weed during that time and my grade improved between the two
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: nope
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: i said 'on average' herodotus
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: maybe
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: wasnt my experiecne
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: experience either
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: although, wow, I bet binomial expansion on weed does have its up sides
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not train luck, just know that those 3 VERY often come as a set
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: weed helps with creativity... so maybe if he's a genius to start with and needs some help to creatively figure out some complex math formula...
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: if binomial expansion is "complex" change to business major or drop out
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leonassan Tech: Wow, huge burn out of nowhere on business majors :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lenia Tech: I seriously doubt this guy is gonna be innovating life-changing formulae anytime soon.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: nothing wrong with business majors, they don't need higher math though
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: or medium math... or knee height math....
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Can i display a list on the invdata format for a container?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leonassan falls down laughing.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ranrr, invdata <container's ID>
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leonassan Tech: It's funnier because in high school the "idiot math" wasn't life skills, it was business math
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: thanks. I tried that, must have mistyped...
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I've seen all 3 moons and the moon plugin was working fine earlier, but after closing my client it doesn't show up. any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you saw all 3 moons before or after closing your client?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: before
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that doesn't help :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it doesn't know what happened while it was closed
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: moons scripts are only valid with info from after the client started
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if it were closed for 20 secs vs closed for 2 hours, much different outcome on the moons
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: so everytime i close the client i'll have to wait for the 3 moons before it shows up again?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: theres no way for it to know how many ticks have passed while it was closed
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod of course
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, or some scripts let you get the current status from others
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: theres a broadcaster you can use to send it to another
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: yea is there any sysinfo or something you can ping that'll show the current moons?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: If you keep track of the last tick you've seen it is possible to calculate how many ticks have passed since the last tick you saw (when you log back on) and calculate it from there
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can see current moons, but not the timing of their next rise/fall
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: they dont follow a known order?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: They each have their own durations, it's cyclical
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, but the order is dependent on knowing when they last rose/fell, not on looking up and seeing which are in the sky now
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: demonspawn, calculating ticks won't work for long periods...ticks are "around" 30 seconds, so drift will occur, and of course reboots/ice ages would interrupt it
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: True
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: But it works in a lot of situations
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: that drift is small, the average tick is 30.18 seconds
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: and they stick pretty close to that, it takes along time of being offline to break it
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: and normally an reboot happens before that happens
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: If a reboot happens though all the moons start at the same point everytime
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: I think they all start up?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: So you could calculate the current moon position from ticks since reboot
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm sure they start at the same point, have never typed weather tho, too busy with qreset ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ice Mage Demonspawn nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: Just need a gmcp option for realtime info
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: Then life would be easy :p
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ice Mage Demonspawn Tech: Has it rebooted since last I was one? Yes/no, calculate.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, my most-useful change to the moons script I use is to drop the -->TICK<-- trig and use option102 (now using gmcp)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ice Mage Demonspawn nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ok so my moons plugin showed up, how can I assure it'll keep working after closing? or should I just not close my client :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the second
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: heh, ok then :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abelinc online since : Sat Feb  5 15:58:40 2011
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Aardwolf last restarted on : 15:58:43 - Saturday 05 Feb, 2011
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Abelinc: online even before the MUD restarts. ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's talent, baby :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: hi all, I have the statmon plugin and it captures my stats and quests fine, but it doesn't seem to include my CP's, any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mitsunari Tech: Have you done a CP while you've activated it?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: indeed i -just- finished one
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: the miniwin_stats one I think it is.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: you need to type 'mcp CP toggle' each time you take a CP
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/miniwin_stats
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: daak that works fine for me now I dont' have to do that.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: it automatically shows/removes my CP window
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: oh, lucky you ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mitsunari Tech: Hmms.. I wondered too, but after i did a CP and a GQ it popped up. How about the corresponding broadcasts?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I went through basts' plugins one by one and installed them until I got everything the way I want.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I had some weird error earlier about a broadcast
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: a runtime error...
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I restart mush when I get runtime errors
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: http://pastebin.com/s9vkaa2U
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: there may be another way to restart the plguin, I dunno
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: file -> plugins -> select plugin -> push 'reinstall'
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod I just did
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: The miniwin_tabwin plugin helps with seeing which windows are showm/hidden, I had problems with quest/cp minwins disappearing before I used that
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I have that installed as well.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: miniwin_tabwin or miniwin_tabbar?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: in that miniwindow the stats and quests tabs are shown, none others, and I believe i have all the corresponding plugins install
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: tabwin
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yep, tabwin
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mitsunari Tech: Ah, how about StatDB?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod that is installed as well
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I will restart my client after this quest, but I did pastebin my earlier runtime error.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mitsunari Tech: Sonofa... Okay i'm running out of easy solutions lol.. my friend had a similar problem, but it was just his statDB he forgot. XD
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: well beggars can't be choosers, I love having so much info available to me :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mitsunari Tech: Plugins are testy testy things. Think i've spent more time fiddling with settings then actually playing. 
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tezaal agrees wholeheartedly
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: the only other issue i'm having is for the Statmonitor plugin, when I type statmon rep I get the game-side command of (syntax: statmon on|off)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: right after my run-time error it showed the info once, but i hadn't typed that command so I'm not sure why.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: k my cp's works in the miniwin after restarting client :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mitsunari Tech: hehe, awesome. :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've installed statmon and statdb, and I'm getting the same error as tezaal, it seems to be failing to open the database, it fails an assert in chardb, calling into sqlitedb, function checkfortable, if that means anything to anyone
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: how do I export my mapper database to another machine.. :P?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: close mush, copy Aardwolf.db from the worlds folder
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: ahh, so the aardwolf.db folder? I just copy pasta with mush closed?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah and the one with bookmarks in the name aardwold_bookmarks.db or something like that.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: by folder, I mean file :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it should be a file
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: alright, thanks everyone =)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the aardmush page has a thing on how to upgrade, which includes moving settings & stuff
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: is that a standard sqlite db or is it all funky
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sqlite
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Standard SQlite.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: rock.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: on.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: off
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: about
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: not really upgrading.. just, switching machines :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ive seen mixed reviews on which tools work to directly access it though, but I'm not sure if people were trying to open it while mush is open
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: switching machines is identical to upgrading
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aardmush is a self-contained folder
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Haruon nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so a new aardmush is a separate folder
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: i.e. its portable
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: so I just download Aardmush, put the folder somewhere, copy certain files from old mush to new mush, and my settings/database will transfer over?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so if the new machine doesn't have mush, then switching machines is as easy as copying the mushclient folder
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: haruon http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/Installation
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Haruon nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: mushclient is awesome in that it is completely stand-alone portal
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: you could just copy the whole mush folder, you dont need to download/install then copy certain files just copy the whole dir
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Haruon nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: well, my current mush client is on my laptop, but its an old version, planning to download a new version on my desktop, just wanna transfer my mapper database and my settings over
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea, i put mush in my dropbox so my settings are always synced :p
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: good idea!!!
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: ah yeah then you should see upgrade page
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: ooh drop box is a good idea :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: except it could lag a bit
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's also runnable directly from flash drive...
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it doesn't lag
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I dont like how it has to upload -every single time-
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: thats cool almost everything i run from dropbox lags
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I can imagine lag during a raid wouldn't turn out nice
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it only uploads modified files
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lag rarely turns out nice
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ahh
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so stuff like the state files, which are only a few kb
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and it doesn't upload while in use?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, have there been any big groups since the gmcp group fix on the last OC run?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: it depends on if/how its locked
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: might have something to do with my dropbox location, it always lags like crazy
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what version is your dropbox?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: 0.7.110
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's currently 1.0.2 :p
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: hey look at that
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: watch it lag worse when i update... lol
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: doesnt seem like it should matter, but think having it on 8 hosts with same account makes a difference in the lag of a single particular host?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i dunno, i don't see how it should even cause any lag regardless
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: considering files appear to be downloaded locally rather than run from the web
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: yes but for example, we used it for a flash project once and everytime someone edited a file it would lag on all of our dev machines while the update propegated
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: we dont do that anymore because it was a significant hinderance
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: pretty sure it doesn't propagate while in use anymore
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: ill have to check out the new version
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but it was that way since i started using it last year, shrug
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: weve been on this version since august lol
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've removed the miniwin_stats plugin (kept erroring) and my quest miniwin disappeared from miniwin_tabwin, so I removed and reinstalled tabwin and now I can't get the tabwin to show at all, tried 'mtab tabwin toggle' to no avail, tried 'mtab tabwin reset' too, any ideas?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: did you restart client?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I did, but not since reseting...I'll try again
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: do that every time
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, restarted client and it's still not showing
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: no
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: mis
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: thats how mine was for a week, one day just magically worked....
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: but my install is seriously screwed up anyway
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mifu Tech: hi there guys i got an issue with my client i think its the latest one i got from the site  R336 i think not sure but i would like to know how to zoom out of the tracker ?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Are you talking about the mapper window? Select it and move hte mouse wheel.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: try scrolling your mouse wheel down, if you're talking about the mapper.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: mouse over the window first, then move the mouse wheel.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mifu Tech: sigh so obvious didnt htink that the windows were that interactive ... damn you mouse wheel ... sorry  for noob question
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: no worries, I found out by accident.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: thats what she said
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I do it all the time by accident....been meaning to suggest turning that mouse wheel option off as an option.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: lol
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, i make it a point to keep my mouse pointer in the main output now most of the time.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mifu Tech: i must of gotten over excited and somehow went fingered the wheel too much
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mifu Tech: ok that sounded wrong my bad
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod that one works for me
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: sorry mischan
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've just seen the screenshots for bast's v6 spellup plugin, looks very nice, anyone got any rough idea when v6 is likely to be released?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: yesterday he said he -might- release it this weekend since progress is being made, but his title also says 'DO NOT ASK ME ABOUT V6' so I'd not bother him ;)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, I was expecting it to be a while yet, so that sounds excellent :) I won't mention it but I'll keep an eye out on the site
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ooh that does look cool!
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: is there anyway to send your remorted classes via gmcp?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, which classes you have (other than pclass/subclass) are not in any gmcp package
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: am i missing out on "significant" performance, both in everyday usage and also stuff like video editing, by only using 32bit XP with an Intel Core 2 Quad (Q6600) processor ?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How much RM?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Er, how much RAM
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: 4gb
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rau Tech: the big thing is you can't go over 4gb of RAM (which I think shows in Windows 32-bit as like 3.4GB
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: h mmm yeah only 3.07 GB seems to be recognized
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Can't XP only actually use 3GB? Or at least only 3GB for a single app
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Yeah...
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: its the 32 bit limitation
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Got onboard video? It'll use some "shared" RAM for that, too.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: depends on how much "other memory" you have in that machine... on video card for example
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: 512mb radion 3600
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: given that im not a big fan of linux, and have no windows 7 license...not erally missing TOO much with only 32bit ?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: I'd think you might run into issues with editing large video files, but not much for every day usage, unless you're the type that likes to have tons of stuff open at once.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Unless your applications are available at 64 bit, you won't gain much by switching to a 64 bit OS over what you've already got
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: thanks :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: True, just for having lots of things going at a time
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Just don't by more ram thinking you're upgrading ;p
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: buy*
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Given that I can still barely find an editor for AVCHD, can't do much editing anyway
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Hmmm wierd how lua doesn't throw an error when you divide by zero.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Dividing by zero isn't an error, it's just undefined
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Wondered why this black hole just appeared in my desk
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Well I'm used to C and such that throw an error....it's actually handy though in this case.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: > =1/0 -> inf
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: 0/0 -> NaN
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Is there a way to add a clan spellup to bast's spellup plugin?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: anyone know how to turn off the tick timer in the new version of MUSH? its messing up with wine
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Hey, does anyone have or know of a script that calculates xp per minute?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: which client?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: for MUSHclient
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Bast's statmon reporter will do that.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Finger bast for it.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I use that, how do I find that info?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Type statmn rep 1
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: And setup a timer that runs that every minute.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: finally that works!!!!
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ok, thanks
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: the command on his codepage sys "statmon rep" so its the same statmon as the game command
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ty mendaloth!!!!
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: lytebane dont know if you saw that
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: yeah I sometimes find those are a little off, just poke around in the plugin and you can get the real name.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod indeed
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: h -20
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: any clues as to why my mush alias keep disapearing everytime i reload mush?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: are you forgetting to save the world? (CTRL-S)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: ... or they may be set to temporary
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: it asked to save on exit and i clicked save
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jinfun Tech: anyone know about adding the miniwindow for health bar?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: ok whats the story if you start a goal. in goals it is listed as open, but tasklist says you have no unfinished tasks?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: each goal must first be opened.  Usually you will then get some tasks opened, but otherwise tasks must be separately triggered.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: some goals will have points where there are no open tasks, but as far as I remember those points are always later in the goal.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: well its the verume goal. i got the task to fetch the fur. go getthe fur. return to high priest. im supposed to give him the fur and i get the next task. give it to him he dont want it. tasklist says i have no incomplete and yet the fur one isnt done
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: is there a shortcut key to cycle between miniwins in mushlcient?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Don't think so.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: anyone familiar with visual c# express 2010, and know how to get a class diagram view,.... I can't seem to find it 
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: anyone knows how come i can't enable lua scripting in aard's mushclient?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is enabled automatically, what do you mean by enabled?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: i go into world properties>Scripts, and even tho the enable script checkbox is marked, theres a little bracket there which says (inactive)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: hmm, never seen that before
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: haha nvm i'm a retard, i solved it.. i'm trying to pick up lua, only have substantial java experience
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How do you solve being a retard?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: its hard
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Are area repops sent via GMCP, or do people just have a shi-..er.. a lot of triggers, one for each area?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yes they are
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: but they contain no info
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: tags repop on
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Ah.. Thank you.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: not gmcp, plain mud text
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Burke Tech: In the char.base packet of GMCP, the format is: char.base { "name": Lasher, "class": Warrior, "subclass": Soldier...    What happens for multi-class? And if that just shows pclass only - is there a way to determine the order of the other classes a player is?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: not from gmcp no
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Burke Tech: kk, ty
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Send a finger command with a one-shot trigger to capture the classes?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: set up a trigger on "---------------- Player : %%gmcp.char.base.name (Online) --------------"
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Burke nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: then if the remort line is there, read it in (might do a trigger case : nextline 4)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Burke Tech: Fair enough - I was hoping I could be lazy.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Be REALLY lazy - have the user set their classes manually
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Burke Tech: haha
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Burke Tech: And the only way to set them is with a command line argument when starting the client.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No, they have to hex-edit the client binary
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Burke Tech: Even better.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Hack aardwolf and change teh GMCP definitons
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Hrm, is there any way to 'trigger' on an event from a program on a linux system? IE, tt++ segmentation fault, execute tt++
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can write a script wrapper that runs an infinite loop and checks for the executable each time, and then executes it if the script can't find it
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: tehe normal way to do this is to wrap tt++ in a script that restarts it if it crashes
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: too slow... :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Are you finding that tt+ segfaults often?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: anyone have a link, or pastebin or something that demonstrated that?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Only on 10.10, something with how it reacts with the buffer.c and the new version of glibc
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: ubuntu 10.10, that is
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did you build from source or use a binary?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Had to build from source since upgrading to 10.10, the binary won't work at all
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I wonder if it's a 64 bit issue
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Could be, i am on a 64 bit version
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I don't think my spouse has any issues with it, and he uses the same exact setup but i think he's on a 32 bit
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: cheez, sent you a note, but board ate the #!/bin/sh in the first line
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nods, just looked
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six Six Six Tech: Ok serious question, does anyone have JUST a cp capture window for the mush client?  Without everything else?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, if you use tt++ or z/cmud, that's prolly what ate that line
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: probaby
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes six
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nods, tt++ style clients don't like shebang lines :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I do, Six.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: more the # than the !/bin/sh ;-)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nods
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: \#! /path/to/foo ftw :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: can anyone give me proper areas/room names from a list of vnums?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: my mapper goofed on 25 rooms, and I'm not sure what their originals are
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: walk through them again?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: o.0 wait.. I can prob. just run 1 room before then, and be bordering them
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: heh, or that.. nm
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't think bordering them would add the room name
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ok, ran, i aliases tt++ to that script, to call the actual tt++ with my config settings, is there any way to make a segfault happen to check though? Just exiting the client doesn't make it restart.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try kill
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Kill doesn't make it restart either
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: kill -11 <pid of tt>
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Signal 11 should be segfault
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: try pressing ctrl backspace
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: or just pkill -9 tt++
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: first I'd just do a full ps with it still running to make sure that the script is still running
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Hmm
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ok, so maybe it did work
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Had to reload terminal to update .bashrc (forgot), but when i call the alias to the script, it can't find my other bash alias to load the program
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: scripts don't know aliasees
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't need a script to use an alias...put what the alias resolvs to into the script
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Or make sure your script is sourcing .bashrc
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at Birdbrain Metria.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aliases exist to make you typing stuff easier...you don't repeatedly type into the script, so they don't care about them by default
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: respawn wrapper scripts also don't usually deal well with a controlling terminal...they're made for daemons
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ok, got it working i think
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Had to change it from calling another alias to screen -s tt++ tt++ ~/tintin/cheezburger.tt
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: not true abe, it works fine... except you need to be more bbrutal when you actually want to stop the program
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: and it does reload on kill now :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: thanks guys :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, didn't say they don't work, just not meant for it
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: it's just a while loop, meant to do many things.....
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: It'll be a nice work around until scandum can get the crash issue fixxed :)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: make sure you work with tt++ devs to get the segfault fixed though :-)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nods, i've been working with scandum on it for a couple months now
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: No need to be brutal.  Have the script check for a file (eg ~/.stoptt) in the loop.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You rapidly nod twice at Daesilme, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Or just close the whole terminal running it
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pretty much identical to the startup script the MUD codebases ship with
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daesilme nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: If you close the terminal running the program, then it doesn't restart it, only if the program itself dies
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's what they meant, cheez
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you want to really quit w/o a respawn
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: What would be in the stop script? might ass well add it, might need it later
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: within the while loop, have an if -e filename
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: while [ ! -e filename ]
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: while [ ! -e ~/.stoptt] for the while loop
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: was this a sh, bash or csh?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: All together now?  *grin*
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: bash
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I changed the /bin/sh in the original to point to bash (more comfortable with bash)
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Isn't /bin/sh on Linux typically a symlink to bash anyway?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: yup
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: It could be, i just usually put bash to be safe
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: or hardlink
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, not sure it is
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You can put /bin/bash, but it means your scripts will not be portable. If you're just writing for you, who cares.  If you're going to share or distribute, you probably want to use /bin/sh
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: type which sh, it' points to /bin/sh, so i type sh, and it changes prompt to my SH prompt instead of my BASH prompt
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type ls -l /bin/sh
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: On Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, /bin/sh is a link to dash
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, it is a link --> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2010-12-25 21:50 /bin/sh -> dash
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and ls -l /bin/bash...check for symlink, and check for identical size
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: da, not ba?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: yeah, dash
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nod, da
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dead again sh?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: lmfao
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Anti bourne :P
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well bash was borne again, so?
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nods
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: dash is a descendant of BSD's ash
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Debian Almquist shell.  A small POSIX-compliant shell that is faster than bash.
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's what's in /usr/pkgsrc/shells/dash/DESCR
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Tries to be as small as possible while being POSIX-compliant
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: according to man dash it basically uses POSIX regulations to try and make it work the same (antiquated commands etc) as bash
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: would anyone know about how much a decent video card for a labtop is, i was trying to find one on newegg to no avail
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: has anyone used v6 of basts plugins yet?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: hello, whenever i log in via mushclient i can send only 1 command then it freeze then have to recconect.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: One specific command, or any command?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: anything even a blank
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: do you stay connected when not sending anything?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: try turning off plugins.  If the freeze goes away, perhaps something happened to one of them.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Is it only when you connect to aardwolf? Can you connect to other places ok?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: or perhaps a couple of them are producing triggerable output for each other, resulting in an endless loop
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: its my 1st time using a mushclient
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: i havent tried other places except aardwolf
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: why is it when i do multiples of something (buy 10 pot in a shop) or (put all.pot in bag) my prompt spams for that many items?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: thanks anyway, il try to disable the pluggings later.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you have invmon turned on.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: have you upgraded to v6, that should go away
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: oh didn't know v6 was out
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: invmon doesn't give prompts
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I think one of the plugins required invmon thats why I had it on?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: btw bast nice spellup plugin
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: invmon being on is a good thing for plugins, yes
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, several of mine require it, but I forgot to take out the part where it also does an invdetails for every item you buy, get or put
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Orogan: Thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: capital! cant wait to check it out
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, if not in database, then invdetails
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: bast, do we do the same steps to upgrade from v5 to v6 as on the website?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: right, but it has a sister tag called invdetails or something that gives you the item specifics.  Some situations have a bunch of those tags followed by one invmon tag, while others do one invdetails tag followed immediately by an invmon tag.  If you have a script on invmon that, say, sends an inventory or invdata command and hides the output it receives, you'd get multiple prompts (if your prompt was turned on, at least)
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: see: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/Installation
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that has a section for upgrading
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ty bast, you're awesome!
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right dokkar, invmon being on is not what causes the prompts...the plugin sending multiple commands to the MUD is
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sakon Tech: Bast, do you think you can make an inventory mini-win next?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is possible that one will be in v7, but it isn't a small task
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: i found an inventory miniwin, but its not that great
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: cant look in a container for example
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: well, I have to design a database and then design a miniwindow that isn't so complicated that no one can use it
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what's wrong with the one mentioned on the gammon site?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sakon Tech: i found one by Blainer that works but it crashed at random times and he also stopped working on it  years ago.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I seem to remember one that had a popup miniwindow similar to the minimap legend that let you see in containers.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: is there a way to make bast's miniwins on top of everything else
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: the default stat plugin on the aardclient blocks it
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: actually, I already have the miniwindow part, but it seemed pointless unless I get the data into a database
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can't change the order of the miniwindows yet, it is based on windowname and you can't change the windowname of my miniwindows
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: great, thanks for what's already done, its really really slick :)
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: bast for president, here here!
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: this isn't some crackpot south american republic
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: aw nuts
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ouch :(
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (though the similarities are stark)
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: /political undertones
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it wasn't that hard on the CMud side, Bast.  There were two major problems I ran into, though.  Random symbolics were getting interpreted as special characters, and the invmon tag situation I mentioned that made large item grabs/drops super-spammy and lockupable.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the real problem is that with invmon, you can't get the coloured name of the item unless you do an invdetails, and that slows down everything, not to mention spams people with crs
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: not true anymore
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Do I need Aardwolf_Spellups_mw_Bast.xml anymore if using the new v6 spellup stuff?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: i used to program for cmud and i ran into that exact problem with item coloring
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: quite frustrating, and i did do the invdetails thing, very unwieldy
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: oh bast, for your statmonitor plugin, you have the syntax on the website as 'statmon rep' but its actually 'statmn rep'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: fixed
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I mentioned the wrong tag.  Invdetails is for all the detailed info and gets really spammy. I was referring to the invitem tag.  Invitem is the same as invdata, but for one item only.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Dokkar: how is that not true, invmon only shows the id, not the name
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: which is still an extra command that needs to be run
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: wrong chan, but does anyone know when donations close?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I get no command for invitem
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: umm, invitem is not a command.  It's part of invmon support.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: read the announcement board
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: o right, silly me, thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and you stl
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: sorry
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I still can't figure out a way to get the coloured itemname without running a second command, basically invdata since invdetails doesn't give the name either
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: err, it helps if you push some of the work to a pure clientside operation instead of always depending on capture work.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: how do I use a pure clientside op if I don't have the info to begin with, I have to get it from the mud somehow
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Just make some colors up, I think that's what he means.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, if I save it to a db, I don't have to ask the mud again, but I have to get it from the mud at least once
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: which plugin am i updating to get rid of the prompt spam from items?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: or just all the v6 ones?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: anyone?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: yes to what bast?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: yes, upgrade it all
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: k ty
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what are all the oneshot kill spells/skills?  assassinate, slit, deathblow, disintegrate, immolate, anything else?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Terminate, sort of.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not immolate
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: banishment also, bast
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: thanks abe, that one didn't have a wiki page
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: under combat that is
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: my parents have DSL through their phone line, and every time they start their treadmill, it cuts their internet out... any thoughts?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: do they have a filter on the line?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: get lazier parents?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: why a treadmill would affect your internet idk, maybe interference somehow
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: lol sue
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Put the DSL modem on a UPS
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: call your provider
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: but to actually help. does it stay off as long as the treadmill is on?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: from what they tell me, yes
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: i dont know what you mean by filter, but they have a cable modem and router
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: UPS isnt a bad idea, could also try to move it to a different circuit.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: cable modem? or DSL?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: my apologies, but could you describe what UPS means?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: DSL uses filters on the phone line to filter the phone and internet signal seperately
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Uninterruptible Power Supply
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: DSL is not the same as cable.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: does it go off, or do you just lose connection?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: does the modem still have power when the treadmill is on?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: it loses internet connection
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: but it still has power?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: some of their details on this problem were pretty vague though:P
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: the computer? yes it still has power
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: the modem, not the computer
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: does the modem lose connection, or does the computer?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: ahh i will have to ask them, what if the modem doesn't lose power / what if it does?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: if the modem loses power then that's your problem and the treadmill is pulling too much current from the circuit. I'd kinda expect a breaker to blow if that was happening though...
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if the modem keeps power, keeps connection, but pc loses connection, emi is at fault
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if the modem keeps power, but loses connection, probably dodgy house wiring
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: the only other thing I can think of is that the treadmill motor is going to spit out TONS of EMI, so if the treadmill is near a long run of phone cord that might be your problem.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Boy Named Sue wildly nods his head at Tigernuts... he seems to be in total awe.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: we had an issue without our DSL that we'd lose internet (modem-side) everytime there was a thunderstorm, verizon told us it was shoddy copper wiring
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: with* our dsl, and now we have FiOS :)
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: fios is clutch
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you should be unplugging your modem from the phone point in a thunderstorm
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: pretty much verizon's answer to everything
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: well no it turns out when we had our house renovation done, the idiot workers did a crappy job reconnecting our phone box outside, so verizon fixed that
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: i will investigate further, thanks!
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: my laptop smells like burning :(
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: that would be double plus ungood.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sakon Tech: what kind of smell? burning plastic or other? if other could be dust build up.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Burning balls
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: didnt even think of that.. maybe ill try blowing it out with air
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: on the plus side, the automatic shutdown is functioning just fine
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: any websites with cmud scripts?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Get the instant gq win one
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, there's also a package library you can access from inside CMud itself.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, you can if you paid for your copy of CMud...can't use it if you're still on trial.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: anywho, I've got two or three packages of mine up there in the Library (Aardskies, Aardstats, AardQuests), and I'm busying myself with fixing up a fourth one, a gigantic monster called AardMap
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: Nice, what kind of scripts are currently available?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in the library, aside from my own, there's some older statmon/tags/telopts stuff and some reporter things.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: in the library, with the lead piping
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there is also lots of stuff created for other games and for nonspecific mudding in general
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vexthorne nods at Dokkar.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the libary was subject to a few longstanding bugs that were more recently fixed, so it gained a bit of a reputation of being unreliable.  Other than that, it's full of dinosaurs and tentative learning attempts that we all want to delete but can't.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Kinda like the SourceForge :/
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: What is good to read about MUSHclient plugin variable scope? I am having trouble getting my head around when I can just assign a variable value and when I have to use SetVariable.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you want it to be used in your plugin, you don't have to SetVariable.  If you want it to be available to all of Mushclient and other scripts, use SetVariable
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: I want a table to be available to multiple functions in the same plugin.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: then just assign it, you don't need SetVariable for that, and you can't use tables in SetVariable anyway
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: is there somewhere i can download an older version of the aard client?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why do you want an older version?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: i put the new version on a new computer and im having issues, wasnt really going to submit as a bug cause im on linux/wine, want to see if maybe theres something in the new version causing this
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: *I* use linux and wine.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: report your problems
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you need an old snapshot, I can put one together for you, but I don't keep them around just because
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: hah, alright. well, any idea why every tick, its as if the alt key on my keyboard is getting pressed?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that won't be fixed by using an older version
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I have that problem occasionally when I alt-tab out to other programs
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try up or downgrading wine?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: i figured as much, but i was hoping so, my other computer is also linux/wine, but its having some heating issues at the moment
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I use wine 1.0 on Ubuntu 10.10, fyi
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: actually I think it's 1.0.1
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it happens to me sometimes, but to be honest it also happened to me sometimes using real Windows XP
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just hit alt and shift and the windows key a bunch of times :)
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: thats usually my solution
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: yeah.. i get to press alt every 30 seconds... 
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it happens on every tick?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: actually, sometimes it happens to me, too. w7 and zmud
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: yeah
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: pretty annoying when you're suddenly using random damn menu bar buttons while typing
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suspect this is just a problem with windows, but if it's reliably happening on tick please report it
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or in this case Wine
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: give me as much detail as you can
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I don't have any problem with it happening randomly, it only seems to happen when I alt-tab back in from something else. gterminal, or firefox, for instance.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: same for me, metria
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: anybody know how to redirect tracert output to a log file on windows?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: like in linux you'd do traceroute host > output.log
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: tracert some.host.whatever > somefile
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: same thing
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: oh, so it is that simple
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: is anybody else having hangups on their trip to aardwolf?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Define hangups?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: None here, that i've noticed.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I'm not, and I'm on the crappy savvis network.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: i've tried several other servers located from california to nova scotia, but my path to aardwolf has * time time , time * time, and the time's are sometimes 3x higher than the previous hop
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: of course, I'm probably still going to Chicago and back, like when going to the simutronics servers.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: so maybe it's the particular route my packets go through
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sounds like it
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Reinzeld Tech: Just installed the new version of MUSHclient for Aard, can someone tell me how to get a spellup plugin for it?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: http://bastmush.googlecode.com
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: finger bast
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: finger known mushclient users, download, install...profit!
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: how to reset the client windows to defaults?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: on mush?  maybe open plugins and disable them
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Delete the state files
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: reset aardwolf, will do it maybe?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: deleting the state files will not actually set them to default
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: just cause ive been playing around with my layout and it is ugly now
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: My bad.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you need the original state files
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Drakoth: just move them into the old positions.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: surely you can undo anything you did
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or come up with something better
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: doesn't 'reset aardwolf' set them back to defaults?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not exactly
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: resetaard only affects the main output
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it doesn't affect the other bits
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: where are the areas from teh GMCP mapper saved/stored in case someone has to reinstall mush but doesn't want to re-map everything?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's instructions on the aardmush site on upgrading/moving
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Aardwolf.db and Aardwolf_bookmark.db, do not copy with mush open
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ahh k, ty daak
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: is there any plugin to do the 'hunt' trick automatically/faster than typing it out?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The hunt trick being..?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: if there are 20 'guards' in an area, hunt 1.guard hunt 2.guard until you can't hunt that #.guard, then using 'where #.guard' to find it.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: metria, help hunt trick ;-)
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: umm, you could google "mushclient hunt trick plugin" and pick the 3rd link?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ty always-wise bast :)
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that site is also listed in help www :-)
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: wow that is perfect
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: ok i just updated to newest mush. and the new mapper has reset all my explored rooms. anyway to fix this ?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Did you follow the upgrade instructions, or just copy stuff around willy-nilly?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: did you make a backup?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: yeah i made a backup. just incase. and no i didnt follow instructions lol.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You copied empty databases (the ones shipped with Mushclient) over your existing ones
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: close mushclient and copy the Aardwolf.db and Aardwolf_notes.db files you backed up in over the existing ones.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Since Mushclient doesn't need to be installed, you shouldn't copy upgrades over existing installs - just give  it a whole new directory and copy your databases in.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: just glanced over the instructions on the site now. thanks.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Make sure you exit mushclient before you do aything with the databases! I can't stress just how important that is
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armadeadn Tech: yey my mapper is fixed thanks guys.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: can mushclient map text that is set to display to the output in a trigger?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: err match text*
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Trigger on a trigger, you mean?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: no, I mean the GMCP mapper plugin sends the resulting text to the output, I want it to match that text and then execute an action
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: Is there anyway to have aard send me only the comm.channel gmcp message and not the actual channel text? Not a huge deal, I know I can just gag the channels, just curious.
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: nope
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, there is no current way to do that...best way to gag it is to have tags channels on, and then trigger on {chan ch=foo}
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: cool thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but the aardmushclient comes with a channel capture plugin that lets you easily choose whether to see it in main window or not
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: not my corpse, an NPC
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: anyone know what this is {chan ch=clantalk}
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tags channels
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: ah, gotchya, thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tags channels off will get rid of it...it's there to make things like channel capture scripts cake to make
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type just tags to see other categories of things like that
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: cool, thanks alot
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: anyone know what the command is to use bast's planes mob plugin it doesnt seem to have info that i can find
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: AYE!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: mis
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone using the Potion Quaffer that's on Bast's website?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: is there any possible way to import your aliases from zmud to mush
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i doubt it
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: man
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: shouldn't be hard
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: oh yeah?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: there a bunch of pre-made plug-ins for mush for most purposes already out there
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ever used mush?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: way too complicated
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: I downloaded it yesterday
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: for anything else, if you wrote them to start with, then you should be able to rewrite them for mush
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: maybe theres a way to import a notepad file of aliases
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: cause I can export them to notepad
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: from zmud
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/bbshowpost.php?bbsubject_id=9705
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: in an electrical circuit, the components; is the longer pin the positive part?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: thats not really something you can rely on
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: whats the component?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: mostly anything but for now a capacitor
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: for capacitors, if theres a stripe running down it then its polarized and there should be a - and + or a black and red dot
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: if not its not polarized and doesnt matter
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: btw when making an amplifier do I just use random capicitors lol?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: add as MANY as you can
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: There's definitely a non-zero chance that picking random components will yield a perfectly functioning circuit.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: all circuits are perfectly functioning, none of them alter the laws of physics
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: i guess i passed my n1 last year with luck lol.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: and theres a high chance itll distort like crazy or not work at all. if you are lucky you will let the magic smoke out of somethig
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: for an amplifier, any capacitor will amplify but you definitely need to terminate the circuit based on impedence
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: So In mushclient/lua if I capture a line with a trigger, and want to print that line back out again with some added text...is there a way to do that preserving the coloring the mud sent along with it?  I can only figure out how to do it by chaning the coloring?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: nonpolarised are superior to polarised (capacitors) ?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: and if you don't pick the right resistors fires can occur
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: lol.. i call it the "magic smoke" too
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Um.  No capacitor will ever amplify...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, woohoo, we've broken enthalpy
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semper Baconist Tech: now lets work on Entropy
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: nah im going to make a small one that work with a 9v battery
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: ack yeah capacitors dont amplify
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: sorry... transistors...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Boy Named Sue Tech: polarized and nonpolarized caps are just different. depends on what your requirements are
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: and then on Inertia
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: There's nothing "good" about polarized caps.  It's just a somewhat unfortunate side effect of certain constructions.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: im obviously adding a variable resistor
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mendaloth, you'd basically tell the trigger to gag the line (omit from output), then you'd echo the line back, but with style points, looking at the style of the original
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: mendaloth: capture the line, omit it from output. I remember that there was some way to query it for array of styles applied to it - and reapply them with ColourTell or something similar. Search gammon's forums, I think I saw plugin or code to simplify all that
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: are polarised caps able to hold more electrons than nonpolarised (for the same cost)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: just avoid polarized...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the chat capture plugin is an example of echoing it back with the various original styles
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CrazySk8er DaRicoDude Tech: thanks for the help and advice people.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: polarized capacitors have high leakage current
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so do old people
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: zing!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: But they scream more when you solder 'em in.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: most of them...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: this one lady just giggled. i still have nightmares...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i guess it was more of a cackle...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: GENTLEMEN, BEHOLD!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: can anyone explain how i can manipulate the gmcp data i receive from the mud using mushclient? do i use the gmcphelper plugin?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: manipulate how? the data is just a table to MUSHclient
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: hm how do i actually reference the table? I'm trying to extract my char's state for a script, but I have no idea how I can reference the table
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you'd have a function onpluginbroadcast, looking for the gmcp handler's ID, then do ifs on the state
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: oh great, thanks, is there an API where i can look up function names like onpluginbroadcast?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the plugins at the bottom of my script page are pretty simple to follow, check out the warfare gag one for an example of using a gmcp value
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: thanks :)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (they're simple because I don't actually use MUSH, so I'm not qualified to write more complex stuff ;-)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Huh, anyknow know why the following doesn't work in lua?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: string.match("\(", "\(")
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Gives me an "unfinished capture" error
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Like it's not escaping the parentheses or something
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I can do something like Note("\(hi\)") fine
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Same error if I don't try to escape them
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: try double or triple backslashes 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because the first part of string.match is a string and the second part is a pattern
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Same errors
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you need to either remove the first \ or escape the second, depending your motive
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Hmm, lemme look at the function description again, then
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess that could be wrong
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I'm just wanting to search for ( in a string that might contain a (
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so why are you using match?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: as opposed to, say, find
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Well, that's an oversimplification
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Lemme look at how I'm using it again
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: heheh
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: print(string.match("(","%(")) -> "("
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei nods.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Just gotta figure out how to make that work
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Since I'm doing:
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: if string.match(string.lower(i), string.lower(wildcards[1])) then
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Which worked fine until someone started using parentheses in their strings
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish smirks.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'm sure there will be other ways to break it too
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei nods.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.lua.org/pil/20.2.html
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Nods, was reading the patterns tutorial on the users wiki now
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: So in Mushclient and regex, what exactly does this mean? (.*?) I've used it and understand what it does, but trying to figure out if I can make it so it matches only a few different things, and put those into wildcards.  FOr instance I want it to match Your, or any group of character followed by an apostrophe s.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: . is any character.  * means any number of times.  ? means may or may not be there.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: So, basically, it can match anything or nothing
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: So what part of that puts it into a wildcard then?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: The ()
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: RegEx can get quite complex, if you're into learning about them, good resources http://www.regular-expressions.info/
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: So in theory, (Your|.*/'s) should in theory do match Your, or any # of characters followed by 's and put it into a wildcard?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: How do I show the tick timer?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I believe that looks right
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Spank, autotick
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Thanks Daak!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Well, except your escape slash is backwards
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: \ not /
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Wait, I have that.  I thought there was a command that would actually show the mud timer, second by second.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Need a plugin for that, Spank
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Ah!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah just noticed that when I put in there.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You can also do .+ instead of .* if you want there to be at least _something_ in front of the 's
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: + is one or more, while * is any number (including 0)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: OOOH that works swimmingly thanks for taking the time to explain!!!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: has anyone else had issues with the 'level' tab showing in the miniwin_stats plugin? everything else works (stats quests CP's) but the screenshot shows the levels tab, and I haven't seen it work yet. And yes i've gained a number of levels with the plugin on
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: WTF???  I loaded Bast's scripts into my plugin file.  Then when I tried to add the plug-in "Statmon" I get this Run-time error
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Tezaal, it's customary when asking about problems to guide those who would then try to help you with important information such as "I'm using Bast's plugin package"
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Spank, did you follow directions?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ahh, apologies.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: I thought I did.  
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I'm using bast's plugins v6
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: thats what she said!!!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Spank, do you have more information about the error?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Plugin: StatMonitor (called from world: Aardwolf)    Immediate execution cannot open  C:\Documents and Settings\BSE\Desktop\MUSHclient\worlds\plugins\luapath.lua: No such file or directory    stack traceback:            [C]: in function 'dofile'            [string "Plugin"]:154: in main chunk    [WARNING] C:\Documents and  settings\BSE\Desktop\MUSHclient\worlds\plugins\StatMonitor.xml
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: since bast is not online, you should write a note to him
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I'm no expert, but I'd try putting the 'luapath.lua' file into that directory.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: that works for me when i get similar errors
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Any way to make an entire string literal in lua?  i.e. escape the entire string, rather than escaping each individual special character?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I don't know, but I just made a function that accepts a string, and returns the string with all characters excaped.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: That may work
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: But how does it accept a string without escaped characters?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: http://pastebin.com/vFCxZuVW Here is is, I only escaped a few characters, and for some reason I had to add double escapes to get it to work with addxml.  Not sure why, but it works for me.  The % is for gsub's escape character, wierd how it changes.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: But if I do Escape_Special_Characters("abc.((("), it's going to return an error, yes?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Kind of defeats the point (at least for me) if you have to escape the characters when you're providing the string, too.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Is this for mushclient or something?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Nods.  Basically, all I'm wanting to do is check to see if a string is a substring of another string.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Seems like it should be simpler than I'm making it
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Doh, I figured it out.  Setting the fourth agument of string.find to true does exactly what I'm wanting to do
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Can anyone explain to me why you sometimes use % to escape a special character and sometimes use /.  All the while using mushclient and LUA?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: \ is for strings, % is for patterns
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: They are all string to me!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Then if you're only using strings, then you'll only need \ ;)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone know of any iPhone dev tools that don't require mac os?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: I got a regex in mush, '^cmd ([0-9]+) (.*)$'.... why is %2 nil, if i do 'cmd 1 foo'?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Passing the alias to a script if that matters
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: send to: script, Send: Note("%1" + "%2") => 1foo => worksforme
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Yea, for some reason %2 is nul, got me preplexed
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: if I do send to: world %2 is set just fine
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: what does the function that receives it look like?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: Just doing Notes like you did
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: chaning to: ^cmd ([0-9]+) ([a-zA-z0-9]+)$ , seems to work
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: im using an iframe and im trying to pass data from my url to the iframe, using php is this possible? i have tried $_GET without it working. or would making the iframe with an echo allow me to put in the variable?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: if you want to pass data to the page in an iframe you need to add the url query parameters to the iframe's src
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i tried that and it did not work it gave a blank rather then passing it
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: you're probably escaping something wrong... if you put in the url in your browser it will behave the same as if its the src on an iframe
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: so test in your browser till it works
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i second that
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: do i feel stupid thanks =/ forgot to echo it out
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: any way to input jap characters to the aard?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: say for desc
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furia Tech: considering there are players who still use telnet... I don't think that would lead to anything good.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no.. the text is highly filtered
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Anyone know if regular, non-regex wildcards are greedy in MUSHclient?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prattler Tech: click the 'convert to regexp' button and see
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prattler Tech: because everything is converted to regexp anyway
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Doesn't look like they are.  Thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Which is what I thought, anyways, based on what I was seeing
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: does windows have a udp ping tool like linux does?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: or is that udp tracert, i think it's tcp ping and udp ping though
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 'tool'?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: yeah, some servers don't respond to one but do to the other
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't think so, at least, not as standard
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: icmp traceroute packets make it to 173.192.18.138 with 1 in 3 being dropped, but ping is ignored
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: i want to see what the average amount of ignored traffic is
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: no point in going beyond that server
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: dunno if wireshark might help
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: cain has that feature
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: among other nifty things
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: is that a toll like nmap?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: cain can do tcp, udp and icmp traceroute
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: windows password recovery tool comes up
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: i see, got a link?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: sure. google.com
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: someone was showing me unity today, makes me wonder why you'd bother with wine
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: btw, if your antivirus says that there's a threat, don't believe it. they don't like hack tools
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: i don't use tools that don't come with source code, or in the case of windows the signature of the author who's location is known
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: probably wise these days
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: nothing wrong with my network connection, something wrong with the route taken to aardwolf, at the specific server -> 173.192.18.138
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: tell me what path yours takes, if you have no hangups
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I hit networklayer in new york city...2 in NYC, 1 in chicago, then 3 in dallas
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: OR 173.192.18.145 . both owned by den01.networklayer.com and dal01.networklayer.com
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when in 173.192.18, I hit 177, 132, 136, 191
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: looks like i'm going tyhrough networklayer.com tonight
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 173.192.18.153
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: i hit 140 145 138 213 and 218
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: problems happen within these
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well what can we say
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: networklayer.com are a bit on the crappy side
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: your problems over time will only get worse
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: i have no problem connecting to a server in russia, britain, california or arizona, even new york, but they seem to be these bugged servers that end up in florida
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i've had problems with them before
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, well, that's where aard's hosted for now
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: dallas, wasn't it?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: soemtimes there is no slowdown, then some days there's barely a pulse
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the server is in dallas, softlayer is the hosting provider, networklayer is the bandwidth provider
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: used to be theplanet
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: damn softlayer
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: The Planet was a lot cooler name to drive by everyday
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone know how I fix an incorrect command in the new bast spellups? The default for 'pass without trace' is issuing the wrong command, keeps triggering a belching social, 'pass', instead of doing 'trace' :)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can't correct it, it automatically picks the first word
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: for skills
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Oh well, I'm used to doing it manually anyway, not a problem, I'll just disable it for now, thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can always post a 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: sorry, mischan
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: is it possible with ipv4 to manually write down your own route to a location?  i read something about that briefly, or is this ipv6 only?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: manually write down?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: the routing table
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: yeah with a pencil and a electric chair
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i asked my provider to reroute me
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which they duly did
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: traceroute aardmud.org > aardroute.txt
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: that's the route selected for you
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: if you did research you could find one that is 10 times faster
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i get better routing through my vps in the uk
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ssh compression seems to help, too
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: uk might be responsive, but rarely good bandwidth :-) we're all heavily constrained by a telecom network that's 60 years out of date
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: mudding doesn't take much bandwidth
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: fortunately not
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but as traffic shaping becomes stricter and more widespread, that could have a knock-on effect to qos
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that's the only thing i use ssh proxy for, unless i'm on a dodgy network away from home
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: they have lines buried that don't even operate at 1/100,000'th of their potential at peak times, that they are attempting to now stress the deliverance of more money for these hard working lines, cause too much video's they say
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: whom?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: THEY
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.Faust Necroshine Tech: dare not pass the 1/100,000'th mark of fibre optic telecommunications, better grease them for all they're worth
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: we don't -have- fiber
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 90% of our broadband network is copper
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 10% aluminium?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: translation: aluminum
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 10% paper cup + string
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: aluminium
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: does anyone know how come I don't see anything when i do sendgcmp request char, for mushclient?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: most likely because, by design, you're not supposed to see GMCP
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can type protocols gmcp sendchar
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: how might I capture the GMCP info with an alias? I just want the state of my char
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can't catch it with an alias
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: ohh hmm...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You should be able to catch it with an alias, just not automatically update it or triger based on changing in states.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what are you trying to actually do?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you would need to use a gmcp trigger, but I dunno how mush handles that.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can do a CallPlugin in an alias, but you can't "catch" it when it happens with an alias
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the values are always being captured live, so there's nothing to do
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: oh that's fine, I just want the alias to  check if I'm fighting at that point, then if I am, do nothing
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: things like bast's spellup plugin already do that...do nothing when fighting, cast spells when standing with mana
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: hmm yea, but thats a plugin as mentioned, so I was just wondering if I could do the same with an alias alone.. trying to do something really simple so hopefully I won't need to write a scrpt
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: do something like thistech do this: http://pastebin.com/K6wL8mbb make sure you set the alias to sendto:script
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I have no idea if that will work, but you can try it
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: a script is any conceptual effort that results in executable code.  A trigger is a script.  An alias is a script.  A plugin, which is a collection of aliases, triggers, and so forth, is a script.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it works fine, I just tested it, so use that as your template
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: we use the term mostly to refer to that conceptual effort, as a convenient shorthand.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: hmm thanks a lot guys :) i'm trying to pick up this lua thingy 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: 0h 20
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: I'm am tring to install the new Aardwolf Mud CLient.  The Aardwolf page says to get MushClient 4.7.2. When I go to download it Gammon only seems to have 4.61.  What am I missing?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Go to here http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm and click Download Aard client.  You don't want to download direct from Gammon's page.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Thank you
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: is it possible to store an array in a permanent variable in mush, so i can keep referencing it?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: How permanent?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: just for this session, I want to maintain a list of things that I will pop when I don't need them anymore
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: (using v6 plugins) bast, the "levels" tab is not showing in the miniwin_stats plugin for me. I have statdb installed and I have gotten quite a few levels. Any ideas?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: can MuchClient do multi line triggers or States like CMUD?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes, but it's a bit tricky
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Can you point me in the right direction or to an excample?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: example
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: states in cmud are the different pieces (#CONDITIONs) of multiline triggers.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the map capture window, I guess
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in mushclient you kind of fake it
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what're you looking to do? there are lots of plugins that deal with multi-line stuff
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I never thought the zmud/cmud state mechanism was a very good idea
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: states can be emulated in all clients using variables easily enough
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: why?  It guarantees the order in which triggers fire.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's too easy to get states wrong, and no it really doesn't guarantee anything
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You can do that with sequences in Mushclient can't you?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient has priority numbers for all triggers
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and aliases
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Did not mean to start a fude.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a what?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, no feud
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, it does.  Just because you use the #STATE command wrong doesn't mean multistate triggers aren't better than multiple single-state triggers.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: thank you
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe I did it wrong. though I do have a lot of experience writing zmud scripts
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: without the #STATE command (and therefore the manual state), all multistate triggers fire in the order you create them.  State 0 will ALWAYS fire first, then state 1, then state 2, etc
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that sounds like a design flaw
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: barring the manual type, all trigger types automatically disable and advance to the next state, so it does guarantee the order of the triggers firing.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: except that I experienced states getting skipped
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or not advancing
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: speaking of triggers, is there a way to trigger on gmcp updates from the mud? like on state changes
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: on mush
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes zorine
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: zorine, yes
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see every plugin that uses gmcp ever
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: almost all current plugins do just that
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: when they don't advance it's because they don't match the line you expected them to match.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: specifically look at the onpluginbroadcast section of any of the current gmcp plugins
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: BTW Fiendish, thanks for the work on the client.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: oh thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You pat Dokkar on his head.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you'd like to think that, dokkar
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: nope, I know it for absolute truth.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sure sure
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: look, I'm not a novice script writer
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, there are no bugs in zmud
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I smell a "but you seem to be" in that statement...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I was making advanced zmud scripts that could do things nobody else thought was possible yet. I know the difference between a client bug and a script bug. 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and I found quite a number of zmud bugs that, of course, never got fixed
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: I use to work for the man who is zugg... I love him but CMUD is so buggy I'm moving to MushClient.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you should upgrade.  2.37 is, to put it plainly, unusable crap.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how do you know what version daruma used?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: I'm closing the blinds in my house now.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I don't, but most users who complain about buggy CMud use 2.37.  Just like how most people who point to Zmud as an example of Zuggsoft crappiness haven't touched CMud (or did so in the 1.x days).
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I use mushclient now for a whole bunch of reasons. one of the major ones though is that Nick Gammon actually fixes client bugs when they get reported, even though he doesn't have to.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's kind of a running joke and ongoing lament on the zuggsoft.com forums, and has been since ancient zmud days.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i my self have had more problems with mush then cmud but the scripting work done for mush is awesome
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, when the first example of not-crap product for cmud that you mention is version 3, that's quite enough of a display of his coding style/abilities ;-)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: about like how we complain about mxit users here.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: raistlin, IME problems that users have with mushclient tend to have to do with trying to use scripts written by other people with slightly different setups. which is why we as developers rely on problem reports
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: writing zscript is like writing html for ie6 :P
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: actually its been more along the lines of getting every thing set up memory usage(probally my shitty laptop) and crashing problems
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I am aware of a memory usage concern that some have with the gmcp mapper on very limited hardware
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: but i wont give that mapper up now hehe
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm still looking into an appropriate way of dealing with the idea of not storing as much information in memory as possible
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so what's the highest mush has consumed for the mapper?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: about 130MB for the mapper I believe
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: heh, that's peanuts
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: databases, the old sequential/random file stuff, and defrag.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's significantly less than what Firefox uses, but not every laptop has 4GB of ram in it
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: an useable one should have at least a gig nowdays
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Dokkar: forcing players to defragment their rotating media is not a good development model
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: continuous writing to the disk is going to trash your drive really fast, the same as if you had too much stuff in memory (ie, forcing your computer to virtual memory)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i have virtual memory disabled
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I personally don't have problems with disk IO rates because I use a very fast SSD, but not everyone has that luxury.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: did u get the i love my ssd sticker also
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I know, but until this new memory chip technology becomes commonplace (imagine your hard drive doubling as RAM memory) that's his alternative unless he just doesn't want the info at all.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it did come with a sticker. I forget what it said
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, loving my i7 with 8GB RAM...have it running an old l0phtcrack on the domain accounts :-)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm going to slam a 64 gig ssd into my laptop as soon as i get my fileserver/seedbox running
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: right now i use laptop hdd for storage, too. that sucks
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I have a 120GB vertex2
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and have an 8GB SD card for that flash cache thing with w7
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'll admit that I only got it because I wanted to cut my boot times down to under 10 seconds :D
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: boot? i never turn off my computers :P
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: shutting down and starting back up is significantly faster than hibernating my laptop now, almost as fast as sleeping and waking, and fits perfectly into my use model
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and it saves battery better than sleeping
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, hibernating always seemed to take forever for me
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hibernating several gigs of ram sucks
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: w
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: when I tried it, Windows always seemed to come back with something missing
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: is there an easy way to view gmcp data in mushclient
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Make a plugin that gets it's data from the GMCP handler, what data are you trying to view?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: akuri, it's put into a table which plugins can easily access
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: ahh i was just wondering if you could see the raw data was wanting to watch it stream
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can turn on gmcpdebug
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: gmcpdebug 1
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's very spammy :P
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/MushclientGMCP
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: bast did you get my message earlier?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: ahh ok 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you want more detail, then gmcpdebug 2 ;-)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Is there a place to find more info on the new Mapper in MushClient. I'm tring to figure out the portals. mainly if they are used in the speedwalking.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i found that if i include stuff like the aard amulet in custom exits from recall, it gets used in the runs
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: So it only works from one room?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i'm not sure... but seeing that recall works from anyway, it should be programmable?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: portals work from anywhere. custom exits work from the rooms where they get defined.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: to set a portal you go to the destination first
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what about prison rooms?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: After some consideration of the matter, I will not be adding the understanding of norecall/noportal to the mapper. You may feel free to make your own personal modifications.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul nods.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: mine already does that :P
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just don't fall into botting :p
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: So I if I go to a room and Mapper Portal AardAmulet  It should use the Alias AardAmulet to get to that room from anywhere?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: how might one account for noportal rooms, is there a way to use gmcp to check?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: manually. and you'd have to modify the database.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's not exposed by GMCP, need Recon.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: ah i see
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Is everyone having success with the portals?  I seem to be doing something wrong.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they work fine for me
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: obv.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: of course they do
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: if the garbaeg can counts as a portal it works fine for me :)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: garbage, even*
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what are you doing?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: while we on the subject of portals, if you have a portal equipped and the destination is in mapper so say recall. would it use the portal if possible?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it uses the shortest path it finds
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Mapper Portal aap    which is my alias for my graduation portal from that room.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: ahh legend. thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: I then move 6 rooms away and click on that room.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: it then runs me to that room
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: doh
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: type "mapper portals" what do you see?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you could go to the effort of trying it out manually, but to get an accurate accounting of what the flags truly are you'd have to attempt several things with each room.  From a can't-see-them standpoint, there's no single-action difference between the prison flag and the noportal flag
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: |   1 | academy    | Outside the Aylorian | 35200 | aap                  |   0
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: "   1  academy    | Outside the Aylorian | 35200  aap                    0"
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: mine works fine. the mapper just wont equip a portal, run sto wherever portal goes and then dual my offhand again
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it will if you make an alias that does that, ozu
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: "|   1 | academy    | Outside the Aylorian | 35200 | aap                  |   0"
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: sorry for the spam
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: true. but i have like 3 portals total and they to areas that are almost in aylor so no real point for me
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ah, right, it seems that clicking on rooms will not use portals. only things like mapper goto will
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: probably fixable. hold on while I investigate.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: thats odd i wouldve figured clicking on the rooms executes mapper goto
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though it may be better this way
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: one second
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Typing mapper goto 35200 uses the portal but clicking on a room does not.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: well it does on occation.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: really?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: occasion
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: really!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: nuts to that
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: havent read this code yet lol
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it shouldn't ever
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there should be no "on occasion" when clicking
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: it did once for me
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: ok my portal doesnt work due to me being an idiot
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Okay well at least I know how to use now.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm skeptical, but in any case, clicking does not use the advanced findpath method that I wrote
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Any reason in particular it does not?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: technical reasons only
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: is there a plugin to enable logging on connect?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: logging of what? everything?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: logging is built in to mush
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient has built in logging. so does the channel capture plugin.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: when setting the detination for the portal you need to type the full string to enter the portal. i set my one as just the name of the portal. 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: metria, for one thing I didn't realize until just now that clicking doesn't use goto :). Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised, since goto exists in a plugin that only feeds information to the mapper module. and clicking happens in the mapper module itself.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: so create a "delegation" alias to call goto from the mapper?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: (apologies if retarded i havent yet read all the code)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can do it a dozen different ways
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lag.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i would expect so, but you mentioned "technical reasons" lol
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Me too! But enough about that, let's get back to discussing the mapper.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: i like the mapper haha, much slicker than anything i've ever done in cmud, props to the coders
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Three cheers on the mapper btw.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: are there guidelines whether spoken/written or non that specify what sort of plugins might not be suitable for public sharing?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you mean in general, or do you mean in the official client?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: any plugin can be happily shared that doesn't involve giving away secrets or violating policy
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just don't distribute bots
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: beyond that, it's purely a player preference dependant on which subcommunities they'd like to remain a part of.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: im not talking about distributing bots, but what dokkar said is what im asking about more, what is considered "secret"
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Is there a way to add a mapper commond to an alias   rtq  = mapper goto 32458  ?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you're thinking of making a plugin that solves area goals and then distributing that to your clan, think very carefully.  Wouldn't be hard to construe that as botting.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: as the maintainer of the official client, my primary reason for not adding in things like noportal/norecall is that I don't want to encourage people to blur the botting line.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: yes Daruma just send alias to execute instead of world
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: thats not at all what i had in mind
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: thx Herodotus
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Daruma: sure, but be careful about infinite loops.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: hehe
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Daruma: I'm sorry, I misunderstood your question. The answer is yes.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: how about, for example, checking whether you have seen a mob in a given room or area and extending the GQ list plugin so that the mob name becomes a link if so
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: interesting to see if alot more player get nuked for botting since the ez of it with the new gmcp and mapper etc..
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daruma shows his approval by clapping his hands together.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: worked great
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: going to save me so much time
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: not that I'm going anywhere.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mobs move around, herodotus
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: feeling envious, Sheni?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: and i can weight their 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Sheni: honestly, I hope they do
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: sorry, i can weight their "seen" locations
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Ya lol, I need to get with the new times already... to lazy though
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i mean more about whether such a function crosses the line
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: for public release
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i know its not botting
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: because there are currently three advanced mappers out on the market (at least) and they can all do exactly the same things.  Well, maybe not Mush's yet since Fiendish is still working on that, but still...we all know where he's going to end up.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm a little bit disgusted by the idea that something isn't botting just because a player clicks on a link, honestly
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: versus typing out one command to do many?  Or just pressing a couple keys?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's kind of a slippery slope, really
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: meh, i remember 15 years ago when i didnt use or want to use aliases, let alone scripts or an ascii map or now a graphical hyperlinked map....
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a rule that says that something isn't botting just because a player manually initiated a sequence is naive. which is why we have the flexibility of "the spirit of the rules".
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: and the question is just hypothetical, not something im working on, something i thought of as an example with respect to my original question
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm just not convinced that anyone gets nuked for violating the spirit of the rules. If they did, far more people would be nuked.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: to how does Yowza do it if he is not botting?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: to = so
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: yea im pretty amazed how people can do gq's in < 5 minutes
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: playing way longer than anyone else in the game, experience, knowing the areas, knowing the mobs, pwning j00
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: thats easily done with knowing the areas and the mobs
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: especially the last one.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's never about just violation.  There's attitude, history, and impact on the game (disruption, exploitation of a bug or unhandled bit of something-or-other, etc)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: i have actually seen how fast some people are. they have their clients set up so well that they basically can door/gate/etc to the room next to the gq mob. 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Think Yowza is just a hardcore player tbh, prolly has some nice scripts to help, but anytime ive bumped into him in an area, ended up chatting a bit, bots dont chat much ^^
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's a ridiculous idea, sheni
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the notion that a player must be afk in order to bot is naive
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: to me botting isnt quite as bad as multiplaying though. thats my biggest issue. i started with nothing and just because you have another char with billions in the bank does not give you the right to start a new guy with everything
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: both are illegal here
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: that would be illegal.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: no interaction between alts. period.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: i know. but it does seem multiplaying, while illegal, isnt enforced as much as botting is
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: oh yes it is
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: used to have a roomate who played
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: examples?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Just because you haven't had an mplay test yet..
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: we got accused of multiplaying all the time
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: how so? seems to me like it is, someone just was asking for an imm because "their brother wanted to play"
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: cause we had the same ip
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's much more a shame that people don't let the imms know more often because snitching isn't the right thing to do.  If you're going to complain, don't pass up opportunities just so you can complain some more.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: If I didn't have the help of a bot, I'd never managed to get as much AFK'ing in.  It's just too time-consuming doing it all manually.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: happened to me on muds back when i lived with my parents/sibling because my sister played
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Nod, been debating getting a new PC, so my GF can play next to me... bit scared to get accused though.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lmao
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: There are multiplaying tests
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sheni, go for it.  You'll get an mplayer test, no big deal.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: i can point to a specific character. lvl 11 with 5 hours old. who dropped 28 million gold in a single day on spellups etc. no flippen way did he earn that
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: they test and you tell them about it before you start
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Celesta and I are on the same IP, she's sitting in the chair next to me. It's not a big deal, really.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: celesta is very nice <3
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the test just involves them asking 50 questions drawn from Mesa, and you just have to score 90% of them
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: o.O
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: they just had us name as many colors as we could both at the same time
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you've heard of clans and flist, right?  It's just sick how helpful some people are when they have preconceived notions of who you are either as that specific character or as the player behind it.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The hardest part was the calculus..
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: lol, well she never took calc, only stats
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: mp tests vary widely but usually aren't that difficult if you're a real player
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: there's no calc on it, he's being silly :P
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: The calc is pretty easy.  I always get tripped up by the Famous Freckled People.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: I cant remember anything from calc class anyways :p
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: prince harry!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the funniest part is that lots of such players then bitch because they're not paying/paid fair market value for stuff.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the hardest part on the mp test for me was typing with one hand
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: enough calculus talk, i dont have class tll tomorrow lol
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: you have a lot of practice with that anyawy, fiendy
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: calculus is easy peasy, bah
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mitsunari Tech: lol Fiendish XD
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: actually...let me think...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: anyway, i've been playing from a house with both my brothers and my boyfriend all on at the same time, no issues :P
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: fiendish never types with just one hand.  He types with both, one on each keyboard.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Majic can do calculus, but can't cook rice.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: so a hypotenuse and my sister walk into a bar...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think the last imm to question me about possibly breaking a rule was Belmont
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: how often do you have to get mp tested ?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sheni, I'm at one test so far.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: im sure its random, but an apx guess
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: it's pretty random. i haven't been tested in a while.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and afterward he let me hang out in his immhome for a few days
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Hard part... talking my GF into playing a text based MuD !
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's when I saw Joker try to request a restring of his aardbag to "your ass"
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mitsunari Tech: This reminds me i do need to drop a note about me and my husband playing. XD Since after a week we really love this place. Is there a specific Imm i should note by chance?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's nothing automated.  Imms/Lasher can't bot for beans compared to the players they catch.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Send it to "imm"
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: sheni, introduce her to a few of your friends 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: if they have any interests in common with her, so much the better
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: I think she would get into it, she gets mad when I laugh at the game and she is bored already ^^
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "Oh, you have a vagina? I am very interested in vaginas!"
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: surely that will entice her 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there's a 66% chance it will, at least.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Is there a Mapper command to list the current room number?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can mouse over the room on the map
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: use mapper area <room name> and then it'll list the numbers
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: 'mapper area <keyword of room name you're in>'  And then look for the one that is 0 rooms away
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: then mapper goto <room #>
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: <3 this mapper, idk who to grovel to
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu points excitedly at Ol' Dirty Fiendish!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the original mapper module was written by Nick Gammon, the creator of MUSHclient. Lasher added GMCP additions for Aardwolf. I've fixed a bunch of bugs and added new features with Spartacus's help.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Don't forget about what I did!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I can only grovel one at a time, my knees are sore! (thats what she said)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I didn't do SQUAT.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: mush for aard is elite x 1000000
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Metria found some problems that I was then able to fix
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: derp
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Dice) Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus rolls 15 dice with 62 sides each - total dice roll is 381.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raijon Tech: everyone who contributed is a stone cold pimp
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: actually, all of this is mentioned at the top of mapper help
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: that is a horrible roll
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Got a simple pc newbie question.. sry in advance. If I wanted to download the new client, without upsetting my working client, should I just change the name of my MUSHclient folder on my desktop ?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: just put the new client in a different folder
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: make a new folder, and download straigh to it ?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: you download it as a zip, just extract it into a new folder
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: gotcha, tks.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: speaking of downloadin the client. I released a new development snapshot yesterday and it still has 0 downloads. I think this is the longest a snapshot has gone without being downloaded by anyone
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Then copy your databases over. (Make sure MUSHclient isn't running when you do that!)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sorry Fiendish, the last stable release was pretty rox0r.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Maybe you could entice us with something that's in the snapshot..?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's ok for mush, but you have to be careful about such things.  Sometimes different versions of the same app will use key datapoints to keep track of stuff that might cause interference between versions.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the last official release actually had a few bugs in it (sorry)
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though nothing huge
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a few pretty obscure things that clearly nobody has noticed
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though the development version does have a function for backing up your database
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which I find really handy
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: there is one where if you select the communications log the chats that appear in the main window have all their colour codes =S
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: kuro: what?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: sorry for the noob question, what command could I use to disable a plugin using an alias?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: fiendish, when you click on the communication log, the chats echoed in the main window have Copied @GTech@w: and so on...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's not as simple. You'd need to know the plugin's ID, I think
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Tezaal: do you mean something like this? http://mushclient.com/scripts/doc.php?function=EnablePlugin
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Kurojiryuu: that's because clicking on lines in the chat log actually copy those lines into your clipboard so you can paste and edit them
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the yellow echo is just something telling you what line got copied
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: oh...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: Can you give a portal a Cost?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu blushes.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you click and hold down, you'll notice that the chat you click on gets highlighted
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, now I notice =P
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: dear fiendish, i'm going to steal your brain when you're sleeping.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Daruma you can give it a minimum level
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: advanced warning, be prepared
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what do you mean by cost
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: link cost?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and why do you want to assign a cost?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: level meaning my Charaters Level?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i'm still hoping that we'd be able to select only a portion of text from the log
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: correct
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: thx
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you may not be able to wear a high level portal, for example, so you can specify the portal's level
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, portals do take longer to enter than walking a step
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: myrkul not enough that I'm going to worry about it
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: for example, if you're at the aard hotel, you would want to walk down, not get your garbage can from your portal bag, remove your dual weapon, wear the portal, enter, rewear your weapon, and put the portal in the bag...
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and the mapper will take into account your tiers when deciding whether or not it can use the portal
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daruma Tech: the Tiers thing is very cool
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: myrkul, again the time difference is not one I'm going to lose sleep over,  but it's a reasonable enhancement request if you care to file it on the development website
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and then I'll just make it not use a portal if you're only one room away
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: shrug, i don't use mush, i don't really care what you do with it :P
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just throwing things out there
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: my goal with the client is actually not to provide the most complete mapper solution I can.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because that would involve enabling too much automation
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: just do it like zmud/cmud, build the mapper as simply as possible and expose pretty much everything so that scripts can do whatever users can dream up.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I'll get teh tar, someone else get the feathers for this blasphemer :P
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I... I have no feathers.  Whoever told you that was lying.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: players can already do anything they want with their own client installations, but some new features require actually modifying the structure of the database
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and then of course any changes you make, you'll have to merge in to whatever next version you download when I fix bugs and add features
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but that's not my problem
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: since everyone is in a helping mood, I'm using v6 of basts' plugins, and the 'level' tab doesn't show on my miniwin_stats. I have statdb enabled, running, adn working perfectly, and the stats/quests/cp's shows in that re good man
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: that window, althoguh everyime i load mush it gives me a runtime error
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: tezaal ih ave the same problem
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: - re good man*
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sakon Tech: i wish i could use alt+q as a macro
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: i can pastebin the error in case anyone can help me debug
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can use anything as a macro by defining it as an accelerator
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Let's see it
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: k sec
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://mushclient.com/scripts/doc.php?function=Accelerator
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sakon Tech: thanks.. *goes to read*
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: like old faithful, same error everytime.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: http://pastebin.com/asddCtwv
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It's fuxxored.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: going along with that error, it seems to not update my statwin unless i close/re-open the client.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: what is the word oh-wise-sages of the MUSH?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: bird's the word!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: dokkar = win
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Birdbrain Metria perks up, something must have grabbed her attention.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Tezaal, you should probably post that error log to Bast, let him take a look
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod, ty
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: makkar are u still there?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: err I meant metria, damn M names lol
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: so whats the deal with triggers in mush im tryin to make a afk one for when people try to send me tells when im idle and i cant get any tells to trigger i know theres one out there but i wanna try to make one on my own any hints
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what is the pattern you're trying to match?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ^(.*?) tells you
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so you're trying to use regex. do you have the regex checkbox checked?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ya
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and why are you using the pattern .*? ?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: instead of .+?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: cause its the only one i knew
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: what does the + represent
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 1 or more
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: * is 0 or more
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: setting a pattern of "^(.+) tells you"  and then checking the regex box works for me
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though it's a really bad thing to do, honestly
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: catchtell doesn't work for you because...?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: becaues it will catch on any line that contains "tells you"
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you should be using tags tells, really
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: kool ill look into em
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: need some computer help..! :P
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: so my desktop is acting up... I push the power button and it turns on, but nothing comes up on the monitor... and holding the power button won't shut it down.. only way to turn off my computer is to unplug, or hit the power switch..
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: is the computer beeping?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: no beep
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: is the intent to turn it off or turn it on, somewhat confusing..
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: I also left the computer unplugged for around 1 month
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: if it isn't, the BIOS thinks its posted, and you either have a bad video card, its not seated correctly in the slot, or your monitor has the wrong input, cable is loose, etc
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: well, the intent is to turn it on, properly, when I turn it on, nothing comes up on the monitor
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: yes you're probably got the monitor on the wrong input, can you bring up the monitors menu?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: could even be a bad motherboard..
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: if it was a bad motherboard the chances it would beep because it failed to post are exceptionally high
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: hmm haven't touched the settings on the monitors at all, worked perfectly fine before I went away a month ago :P
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Haruon nods.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: unless the mobo is like 10 years old :p
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torunkes Tech: cougarboard
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: my mobo isn't that.. mature... :P
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: there are plenty of reasons the monitor settings could have reset in that time :p, monitor settings, then cable, then plugging it into the onboard video, etc. I'd try all those things first
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Nah, they asking if the monitor settings show when you hit the buttons to see if the monitor is actually working or not.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Caramel Milkshake nods at Xaxz.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Haruon nods.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: ok, the monitor buttons aren't working :P
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: tried switching the power cable too.. hmm still nothing =(
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Haruon Tech: I guess it might be bad if I took out my RAM and still no beeps on my mobo :P?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: is there anyone here willing to do me a favor?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: depends
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no!
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: can you tell me if this website is available to you?    http://agilewebsolutions.com/
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://agilewebsolutions.com/
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: they are the makers of 1password.  i can't get to the site to confirm my liscence.  thanks fiendish, I'll try that  :)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: hrhr
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: Ok, that site says it's just me, as I suspected.  Any ideas why I can't reach the site?  i
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: The Chinese have hijacked the BGP again?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: what's your isp?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: www.ItsJustMeHowCome.com
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: here's something really weird, another computer on the same network can get there wit no issues.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Tried deleting cookies?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: ok, so it's not the isp then :)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lazy Shark Morinon Tech: Also: tried a different browser?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: have tried a different borwser.  first browser in safari on my mac.  second browsser IE in the VM on my mac
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: a different browser too
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: i can ping the server IP though...  this is weird.  affect firefox on the mac...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Bad proxy server?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: there is an equivalent to the hosts file on windows in unix right?  wonder if that might have something to do with it...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: no proxy
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: /etc/hosts
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: hostconfig?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Wait, did you ask about Windows or about Unix?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: i'm asking about unix.  There is a file etc/hosts.  just didn't see it at first.  actually, it's mac, but mac uses unix so...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: nothing untoward in the hosts file.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: this is odd.  last time this happenned to me, it turned out to be my router blocking the url somehow.  but that affected all computers on that network.  this is proven local to this machine.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: and it doesn't matter what network this machine is on because it's happenning now at wok, and it happenned at home.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: iptables -L
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: I wonder iftech command not found
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: iptables is linux only
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: I wonder if i take the VM to bridge mode out of nat if that would let the VM access it.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: brb
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: oh, right, Mac
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: OK, so it's something in the mac definitely blocking the url.  putting the VM into bridged mode (where it gets it;s own ip instead of Natted from the Mac) i can access the site.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: mac is essentially unix, not linux  :)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: The distinction is hazy
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: true Cizra
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: and "Unix, not Linux" sound weird
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: especially since there is no one standard unix
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: nslookup gets me the ip addy for the site...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: whoah, for a second there i was thinking SPAM BOT!
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: mischan
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: it is not a cookie issue if IE can't get to it, firefox can't see it and safari can't see it.  IE can see it when it's not sharing the mac's Ip address.  so that means it's something to do with the mac's firewall?  or something?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: found it.  stupid ass peer guardian.  was definitely a firewall.  thanks guys for helping me out  :)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: yepo, that was it.  the site got blacklisted by peerguardian.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but using mxit is optional...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: mis
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Who is Pohhui Tech: anyone know free prog to convert mp3 to wav?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I use Freemake Video Converter to convert EVERYTHING
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: music and video
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i use super
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUPER_(software)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Who is Pohhui Tech: ok ty
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: any tips on dragging/resizing the main output window in mush ? Scrolling in the main program window doesn't help...is there a reset / tile command?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: type, aardwolf reset
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: or try that rather
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: nope :-(
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daak Tech: might be able to close mush, and find the original state files in the original zip and copy them over, in worlds/plugins/states, not sure if that'll help or not
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: are you using the new aard client?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Mmmmm why would my qtimer (captured) show -43m, was there any change recently done that would affect what mushclient captures (using bast scripts)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Not sure what it uses , but were you disconnected when you got the "you're able to quest again" message?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: It was more like I just came back after lunch and it was broken
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: but its the first time the timer drops to 0 since reboot as well
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does it use gmcp? the gmcp handler was broken by a recent trivia answer
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Oh, maybe that is it
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: So that's why my channel capture is down too?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just restart the gmcp handler plugin
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Techno Tech: Dash broke it
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the bug has already been reported
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i suspect it's server-side
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I think that worked for channel capture
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: now my stats are gone
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: mmmm
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's normal
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just do something to update the stats
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: well, removed/re-wore everything and they didnt move
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I will just log out/in
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: that did the charm
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: k
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: So, what was the prroblem with the answer anyway?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it ended in a dollar sign
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: so if I capture an answer that ends with a dollar sign my scripts will collapse?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: line, channel line
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: or was it a server problem?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: server problem, I believe
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 3$
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: not any channel, spouse is not affected
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that was Dash's answer. see? no problem here
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think it's only on trivia, and it's only when someone else says it
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: interesting
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I posted a bug note about it
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: did anybody not using mushclient suffer from it?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suspect that most people not using mushclient don't have that much GMCP stuff active
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but I'm sure that at least a few were affected
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though perhaps not in the same ay
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: way
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fat Ass Cartman Tech: I am not on MUSH, and I am using GMCP. none of my scripts were bothered by that (although I did see BUG!)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are two different philosophies for dealing with bugs like that. either completely ignore it and move on, in which case the bug may never get noticed and fixed, or fail and force the user to deal with the problem
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient's plugin handler tends toward the second
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: as a developer I prefer it this way, though I understand that for users it can be disruptive at times
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: bast V6.... what site is that again?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: finger bast
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger bast
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: generally speaking, player websites can be found by using the finger command on the player
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: grose im straight lol
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Is there any way to change which order windows appear in mushclient? For example, I want the events plugin window to show in front of the groups plugin  window
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I think, though not positive, that if they're windows from two different plugins, then the draw order is based on alphabetical order of the plugin ids.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: So, theoretically, I guess you could change the plugin IDs.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: draw order for miniwindows is tricky. I have thoughts on a system for manipulating them, but haven't gotten around to fleshing it out
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, I'll just live with it for now, thanks anyway
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ok, with the new aard client, in the main window I have timestamps on every line, how do I get rid of that?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: when i type spellup all it says     This 'slist' command does not work on mxit.   wtf   im on my pc
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: are you tethered to your phone?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: its typing whois by itself lol
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Not the question i asked.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: one sec...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, set pagesize to 0, and it will stop
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: is that for me bast?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, ghostsoul
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: have you seen that before bast, timestamps in main window?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: for you are you talking about the communication log window or the output window?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: output
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: set pagesize to 150, since pagesize 0 may result in disconnects when 200 plus lines are received
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: why is it typing whois by inself??
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: because it has to seed the stat database
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: To get info for one of the scripts, i'd presume.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: well its spamming
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: He told you the solution
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: also do nopretitle until you see "You will not longer see pretitles"
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: with pagesize 0, go to forum ideas and type note list  (the spam is may cause a disconnect)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, messed up script if it forces personal preferences like that.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: don't tell him to do that, it will disconnect him
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: done  You will no longer see pretitles.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: did the whois stop?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: yes...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thank you
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: sorry, I have nopretitles turned off and I can't check every trigger for every config item on this mud
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Now as per your other question, are you tethered through your phone, ghost?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: that mxit thing was funny
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: plus, I asuume you are using my v6 miniwin_spellup plugin? if so the command is "bsp all"
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: plus, I asuume you are using my v6 miniwin_spellup plugin? if so the command is "bsp sa all"
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: @Bast: you can change the trigger that need nopre off to just grab the last word of a phrase before the trigger phrase.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cheez, not when the last word is your title
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: its fixed cheezburger.... im using my phone as a modem
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: That would be why you can't use slist
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it wouldn't
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: thank you
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: even tethered through phone shouldn't cause that message...tethering would use the phone's IP...mxit comes from mxit's server's IP
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: sweet cant wait to try v6
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno if it caches a list of users server-side somewhere
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did someone help jek yet?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: he got it solved
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Coup de Calamar Tech: He said he figured it out :)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Bast, you still lurking?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: In your new spellup miniwin, what is the difference between a "client" spellup and the normal requested spellup?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: sorry, normal "mud" spellup
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: client spellup is one that is not a spellup mudside, but is toggled on the clientside to be a spellup, you can do this with stealth for instance
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: So for things like skills?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: skills or spells, but for it really to work, it needs to send a tag
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: when it is activated/removed
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Hmm, not sure I fully understand.  How would I use it as opposed to just using mudside spellups?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: because you can't use stealth with the mudside spellup at all
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: but you can toggle it to be a "spellup" on the clientside and then use it in the clientside spellup
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: nice... the quest info at the bottom when done...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you won't need it, just add the normal stuff
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just had an error in mushclient from the miniwin_stats plugin, assertion failed in sqlitedb.lua function 'checkfortable' called from chardb.lua in 'open'. Any idea what's causing it? It's happened twice in 2 days, so it's not a big problem, doesn't seem to break anything.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: looks like you're missing a table
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: (to state the obvious)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what is the error #?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: copy the error to pastebin.com and tell me the url
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Last line reads [string "Plugin"]:614: in function <[string "Plugin"]:597>, does that help? If not, where is the error number?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: http://pastebin.com/3Ae7qNtq
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: lytebane, type "plugins reload miniwin_stats", it said you couldn't open the database, so if you reload the plugin it should be fine
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, it reloaded fine, thanks, I'll report if I get it again. Had it once yesterday, and once today. Doesn't seem to actually cause any problems though
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: lol my stats window dissapeared or i removed it and cant find it
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: whats that plugins name that gives me mt stats again?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it bet it has stats in the name
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: what would I have to do to make info, clan announcement, and auc have their own window?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: write a script
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: which client?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: mush
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I assume you mean miniwindow?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: yeah
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I have the aard mush, I assume I could copy the chat window plugin and edit it to make another window to capture that stuff?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, miniwindows aren't really windows so you'd have to handle all the drawing and stuff.  If you aren't shy about lua scripting in general, you can pretty much get the idea by looking at pretty much any miniwindow plugin
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you'd also need triggers and such to capture the proper lines
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: hmm any idea why im gettin disconnected when i tryin to view the list of notes on idea board
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredibly Flat Tech: buffer overflow. set your page size
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I'd also love it if when a mob says stuff it didn't end up in the chat window
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: its currently 34
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: what should i change it too
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: can i store an array in the variables i declare?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: in much
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: mushclient.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes but you have to serialize them
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because data is stored as strings
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: how can I keep mob says from ending up in the chat capture window?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: how do i serialize?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: in the aard mush
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: jek: you don't
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mob says are tagged just like every other say
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: fiendish, do u mean storing an "array" like "warrior|cleric|mage"
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I was running a version of bast mush before where they didn't
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I wonder why...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you may be mistaken, jek
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: if (gmcp.comm.chan.channel ~= mobsay) then
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: indeed
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and sayto?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: They all come across as mobsay now
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: as their 'channel'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: One of the bugs i got fixxed
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I'm horrible with coding, would it be hard to change the chat plugin with that info?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Literally just ass that line in the trigger processing it and add 'end' at the end
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: ass=add
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'll add a toggle for not capturing mob speech in the next channel capture update
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that line won't work for two reasons
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: one, there is no "gmcp" storage variable, and two, it would be .channel.chan not .chan.channel
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: so what would I have to add?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ahh.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also mobsay would have to be a string
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how long can you live without it, jek?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Haven't looked at your version at all, was just assuming you kept with the rest of the mud on the method of storage
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because I'm going to add it to the official plugin
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: o, if you're gonna fix it I won't bother XD
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the concept of "gmcp." as a storage variable is I believe a cmud thing
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: we use a slightly different name for mushclient
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, it originated as a cmud storage concept in %gmcp.blah.blah, and it just kinda took hold.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: personally i store mine in $GMCP[COMM][CHAT][channel]
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: s/CHAT/CHAN
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: how might i serialize an array in mush, could anyonet each me?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: for the GMCP mapper (bast plugins v6) would it be possible to add an in-line command to add notes to rooms, rather than clicking on the room? mapper notes lists current notes, maybe just mapper note <note> would add the note to the room?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Use lua's pickle
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: You'd have to write an alias inside the mapper plugin to add 'notes' as the mapper does.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the gmcp mapper is not part of bast's plugins
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: AFAIK he incorporated it
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: oh, well it was suggested I mention what client/plugins i'm using if i ask for help so.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: just following protocol :)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when relevant
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: tezaal: add a new request at https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/issues/list
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: k ty
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but bug reports for Bast's plugins should not go on that list. they should go to Bast. :)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: but the GMCP mapper -is- on that list, right?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wait, yes
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: mkay, ty
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the gmcp mapper is part of the official client package
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bast's plugins are not
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: fiendish what version is the official aardwolf client? not the r359 snapshot right?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: which r### I should say?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: r336, I believe
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it says what release you have in the changes text file
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ty
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: For those linux people out there - Does anyone know if a windows version of TestDrive exists?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what is testdrive?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: it downloads the latest ubuntu ISO and configures the virtual machine
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: so you can try it out before committing to installing it
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: https://launchpad.net/testdrive
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh cool. i suspect nothing like that exists for windows
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: since windows isn't free
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: how do i set a world variable to a certain value in my script? I have tried SetVariable ("world.Classlist", ArrayExport ("classlist", ","))
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: boo. I was hoping to try this aardwolf client on wine since i've heard great reviews, but have had issues with MUSHclient in general in the past. Wine only seems to like one scripting language, and thats lua.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lua is the primary mushclient language anyway
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: every major released script is done in lua
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod but I mean for another mud I play, I have plugins that are in diff languages so wine freaks out.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try asking on the mushclient help forums, zorine. I'd help you out, but I'm logged in from my phone right now.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: okie thanks :)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: fwiw, the aardwolf package is set up very specifically for aard anyway
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and I use it entirely through wine
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'd guess wine would be ok with most stuff except vbscript, and maybe jscript
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: for other muds, use a different copy of mushclient :)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod I know that, hence why I'm saying MUSHclient has given me issues in the past, and its mainly with vbscript. this client is brand new so obv i haven't tested it on ubuntu yet
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: well, not so obvious but i switched back to windows since i hardly used my ubuntu install and needed HDD space
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i use ubuntu 10.10 and wine 1.0.1 (for intel driver compatibility reasons)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I'm going to install ubuntu (through windows) now, and test it out
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: since all i do is MUD + browse the web, this might get me to switch!
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you use windows anyway, why not use it in windows?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ah
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I've been wanting to switch but like I said, previous issues with wine + mush prevented that.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I think you can run ubuntu from the cd without installing, might be worth a try
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prattler Tech: Fiendish, my fonts are screwed up and the mapper seems to be drawing slowly since I upgraded to 10.10, should I downgrate wine to 1.0.1? also have intel
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try it
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's easy enough to shuffle versions with apt-get
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prattler Tech: never bothered to learn it, will do, thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I use 1.0.1 because newer versions put black junk everywhere
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not because of performance
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's unfortunate that the intel driver team seems to suck so much
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prattler Tech: yeah, very unfortunate
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just do apt-get remove wine and then apt-get install wine1.0
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: might need to reboot
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prattler Tech: thank you, I somehow missed it
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Ok, so if i installed Ubuntu via wubi inside a windows machine/os, is it possible to remove the windows part completely without affecting the linux part?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: on the same partition?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: As far as i know
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I'm not sure how the 'inside windows' installer works tbh
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you should never have two oses on the same partition :P
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: cheezburger, I dont think you can do that.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Back up your home directory, blow everything away and install clean
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, metria was my 2nd choice
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: windows act as a "parent" to the wubi install, you can't delete it.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: i have daily off-site backups so it's no big concern really
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Depending on how tinkery you got, you may want to back up portions of /etc/ also
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: i just did that earlier tho, aardclient runs like a charm with wine 1.0 but the font on the gmcp mapper is ugly, the lines don't line up at all.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You need a monospace font
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Wait, the GMCP mapper??
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: aye
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: or the ascii map?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: err sorry, ascii
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: MAC address remains the same regardless of OS, right?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah use a monospace font
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: what would constitute a monospace font metria?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: MAC address is from the adapter firmware, but on lots of hardware can be overridden in the driver
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm using Bitstream Vera Sans Mono
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Well, i set up this comp as a reserved addy so that it wouldn't change local IP's randomly, didn't want to go through the trouble of doing that on a double NAT'd system again if i didn't have to.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: On Mushclient how do i keep what i type last ?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: game -> configure -> commands
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: auto-repeat command
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: also the 'keep command' tickbox
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: keep commands on prompt line
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nah, keep command isn't about the input line
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: anyone ever done any windows form programming in C#?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: he asked how to keep what you typed last, that is the correct option to do so.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, no it isn't...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: looking to try and set up a loop inside a form, to check things outside of the program, but in such a way it won't freeze up all other aspects of the form.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you're in that window, click the help button...read what it says about those 2 checkboxes...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: any suggestions on that?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: You might look up BackgroundWorker.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: I think that addresses what you're asking for.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: anyone able to get psx emu's to work on windows 7?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I did milkshake
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: which did you use?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: in what respect?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: which emulator did you use on windows 7?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: PCSX
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: and PCSX2 for ps
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: ps2*
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: ty
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: its easy to install but just get have to find out which plugin works wth your hardware
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: When you num lock the num pad, and the arrow keys dont type numbers what do the buttons do? Ask because I want to set them to charge direction macros, I can toggle on and off with num lock, possible on MUSH ?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sure, in the preferences set the keys to do whatever you want.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: global preferences ?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: going on that same note, if you macro the 1 2 3 4 on teh numpad, will the ones on the keyboard have the same action?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no, the keypad keys have a differnt opcode, so the client can tell the difference.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: excellent
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: dont think Im finding the preferences you were refering to, a bit more help possible, please ?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: sheni press alt + enter, look for keypad on the left side
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: perfect, tks alot.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: yup
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: is there a way to set the num pad buttons when num lock isnt active?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: better yet, is there a way to lock Ctrl ?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: sheni, on that same keypad menu, you can press and hold ctrl to use diff functions of the keypad, no you can't lock that key.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: Ya very handy, almost perfect for what I want, just wish I wouldnt have to hold down control.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: guess I cant have my cake and eat it to ^^
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: indeed
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: should work well, ill be even more of a charing fool. Thanks for the help.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you might be able to remap your keys to ctrl+key...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: I remember Amaru told me how he has this trick keyboard, could toggle it to 9 different settings or some crap.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I know there are plugins to do that sheni, I've used one for sailing on another mud
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, it's possible to remap keys in most oses
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BeefKing Tech: question on the aardolf muschclient
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: whats up?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BeefKing Tech: i can't see what i'm typing...
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: try dragging the bar at the bottom up
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shave Your Leges Tech: open eyes look fingers.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BeefKing Tech: dragged it all the way i can, there's no bar where i'm typing...hence all the typos i can't see what i'm putting in here
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, try typing aardinit
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BeefKing Tech: unknown command
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: damn, forgot that command to reset your aard windows.. hold on.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BeefKing Tech: that' doesn't work either
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sakon Tech: resetaard i think
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BeefKing Tech: anyone know how to capture tells?
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: use tell tags or gmcp
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: you need a trigger that will respond to the telltags (tags tells on)
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i don't know mush so can't help specifics
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: ugh. i contacted my ISP once again in a very long quest to try to get a wonky connection behaving. a friend and I think we've narrowed the problem down to an internal server ISP. i told them about this. what do they email me back with? 'we'll be in contact with you to check your line.' MY LINE IS FINE. LOOK AT YOUR SERVERS 3 HOPS DOWN FROM ME ARGH
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: uhh, internal isp server, that is*
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: thats always what they say
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: i'm trying so hard to not be the 'problem customer' that complains and whines and doesn't know what they're doing but the lack of information the ISP is giving me makes that hard.
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Varas Tech: how do you open a pdb file?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you can open a .pdb file in MS Visual Studio
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: VS2010, that is
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: actually, I don't see why you just can't use Notepad++ or even just vainlla Notepad to open the file with.
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Katios Tech: does anyone know how to make the chat show only in chat window? i am using the aarwolf client
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: katios, right-click the chat window
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Katios Tech: the echo option?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Katios Tech: thanks:-)
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: anyone familiar with cMUDs #COM functionality?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: trying to figure out what it means when it says "Invalid class string, ProgID... how do I figure out what the ProgID is?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: is the program that you're trying to communicate with via COM object running?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: hmm have you tried resetting the variable that holds the comcreate data?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: or does it even exit?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: you mean like, setting it as an empty string and then using the comcreate?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: exist*
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: nods
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: something to the likes of #var dict %comcreate( "Scripting.Dictionary")
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: nod I have, #VAR TP  
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: nod I have, #VAR TP %comcreate( "C:\Users\Mars\Desktop\AardPower\AardPower\bin\Release\AardPower.exe" )
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: though I think it has something to do with my app not being registered...
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: has that worked for you aver?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I don't see it in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\<ProgID> = 
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: ever*
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: no... if it worked I ever, I'd probably know why it wasn't now because I'd have had to change something *snicker*
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: well the comcreate variable is not supposed to hold the path to the file
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I didn't think so, I tried it with just aardpower.exe that didn't work either
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: so I'm really thinking it has something to do with the app not being registered correctly
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: its supposed to hold something else... the com-thingy
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: it's all new to me... and havne't found any useful tutorials yet... so trying to stumble through it
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: right click and register application?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: lemme see if i can find what goes in the comcreate thingy. i'm positive its not the path to the file
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: its like a com object path thing
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: method for a COM object goes there.. whatever that is
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: im lagging badly on zmud bnut not at all on telnet
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: any particular reason?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: does anyone know how a plugin in mush can change world variables? setvariable doesnt seem to work
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you cannot change world variables from a plugin
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: ohh ok thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: is there a new version of aard mushclient?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: i remember i heard something like that
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Altere Tech: on the aard site
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: is there a way to script a trigger in Mushclient that will actually terminate Mushclient?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: How do i update MushClient 
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: lift it up, insert some bricks, put down
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I use a jack instead of bricks
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: just like any other app.  Download it and look for a crack.
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: How do you automatically edit things from the Mushclient screen so that you don't see somethign? For example, anything matching *[Helpdesk]*?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Anyone?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've not done it.. but it's to do with gag
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I can't seem to acces the helpfile that camew with it. Windows Vista sucks :)
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: Vista and Win7 use a new help system, and do not install the old one anymore by default.  If you want to view such files, just go to Windows Update and download it (or use your install disk if you have one).
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Any good MUSH plugin out there which already parses partial area names / keywords / etc?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faustiano Tech: Does anyone know how to "have a good time" for the 1st Carnival Goal?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: wrong channel, Faustino :)
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faustiano Tech: sorry :)
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sighvdude Tech: can someone remind me of what to type to make tinyfugue compile with mccp enabled?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Just download Abelinc's package
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: i think it's like --with-mccp and you have to have zlib on your box
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sighvdude Tech: so ./ make --with-mccp ?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it defaults to compiling with it enabled
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: well, configure
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mccp only comes standard in tf5...tf4 needed patches for it
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you might want to use the sources from my site, though, for gmcp
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Toki Tech: just do ./configure --help for all available options
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sighvdude Tech: maybe i will just get the version 5 then yeah
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Monquipupu Tech: colored bars keep popping up across my screen, blocking my view of the text from time to time.  is there any way i can change my preferences to resolve the problem?  thank you very much!  :)
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what do those colored bars look like?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (other than colored bars...are there labels, do they change length, etc)
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: probally a plugin error
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Monquipupu Tech: abelinc they are blue and fit the width of the screen, ccovering about two lines of text at a time.  they appear at random :(
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: sounds like an AOL popup..
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: You've Got Mail!
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Monquipupu Tech: im using MUSH client - Aardwolf
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: since it's new, is this a second character? Do they happen under both characters if so?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Monquipupu Tech: oh good question -- yes, its a new character my bf created for me, but his character/screen is fine.  
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd try re-downloading it to another folder...might have something funky from first download
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: hey is there any real difference between lynx, elinks, and links2 if one wants a console-available browser?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: haven't checked if lynx has changed much, but it would run scripts and some other things
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: wouldn't
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: lynx is great for scripts
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but not java-scripts, of course....
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: that's what I meant...they are used so frequently
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: I always liked Lynx better.  But, that is probably because I started with it.
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ok.
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Just check out the features of each...google home their home sites.
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: circular logic... 
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol, you get what you get
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I have a strange alias I cannot remove, is there any way to flush all aliases?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: clientside or mudside?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: mudside
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: alias
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: can't just use unalias?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: the alias is {||gmcp_prompt_statm, and I get the error 'No such alias' when I try to unalias
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: something probably went wrong when I added gmcp to my client
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: no idea, i don't know much about gmcp...
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: That's client side.  What client?
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but the alias is mudside, so the client doesn't matter
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: what are you typing?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: unalias {||gmcp_prompt_statm
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: and there is such an alias in the list
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but I cannot remove it
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: no spaces, or anything after it?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: nope
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: unalias {||gmcp_prompt_statmon}
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: i'm guessing it's actually longer than {||gmcp_prompt_statm, but you can't see the rest of it.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: yeah, like that.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: doesn't work?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeptech now it worked
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: oops
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: heh, well done :) was just gonna suggest it was statmon :)
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: the alias was cut off by the mud
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: seems you can make a longer alias than what can be displayed
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Yeah, buggy that. You wanna post the bug note, or shall I ?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: be my guest
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: i.e. go ahead and post the bug
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I post bugs for a living, so I try to avoid it for fun
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Heh, sure :P
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i apparently have maxxed out my memory, anyone know a quick snippet of txt to turne a touched file into a swapfile?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: swapon -a
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but you don't want just a touched file, as that's 0 for size...
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you need to create a file with a size
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you want to use dd to create a file of the size you want
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024 count=1024
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: or bs=1024k
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: that make a 1G file
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: and then mkswap ./swapfile
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: and then swapon ./swapfile
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: would anyone happen to know how to supress the echo of triggers only in zmud?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: i want echo on, but not of trigger outputs
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shortbus Stutz Tech: i all of a sudden not seeing battle messages from my group mate...anyone know why?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: help spamreduce
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: groupspam
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shortbus Stutz Tech: thanks!
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: e-voting is awesome. http://valimised.ee/internet_eng.html
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: if i recently installed linux, accidentally fried my mbr, and need to enable higher memory options, is that the kernel config tab right?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Best way to fix it is inserting a windows7 dvd
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i've got 2 gigs but linux only sees... 1 gig... and its not reserved by the video card
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: That doesn't make sense.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you need to enable high memory in... general options?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: mushambo, that makes sense... fighting one virus with another, like in the movie ninja scroll.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: there are no linux viruses :O
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I mean if you are compiling your kernel. If not, you must find precompiled kernel that has it enabled.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: What distro are you trying to use?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: tezaal ubuntu is real
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I know? You said fighting one virus with another, maybe I read it wrong but I thought you were refering to linux as a virus heh
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: mosch how long doe sit take -normal- people to hero? by normal I mean not yowza
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: If you have a 2 dimensional array, of 10w, by 8 high, and you want to take and make each slot contain a number 1-80... what is the formula you'd use to come up with the result.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: They are.  They like to act like idiots.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: err, mischan
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: currently i have (y + 1) * (x + 1), where y = 0-9, and x = 0-7
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: I've given plenty of opportunities to linux distros , and frankly, they all seem to suck to me, 
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: nothing works flat out :-( *angry tells will be filtered*
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: grizzler im using gentoo, because i enjoy waiting 30 minutes between activities, like questing, but i've got the vanilla linux kernel from kernel.org
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: ok, not general setup, it's "Processor type and features"->"High memory support", select something other than off
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i think
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i prefer compiling the kernel, as it gives me something to do between quests, but i basically am trying to figure the right option to make linux see all two gigs of ram and not just 1 gig.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: its gotta be in here ...
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: it works, for 1-10, and 10-20-30-40-50-60-70-80, but the odd numbers in are off for some reason.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: You must be using a crappy machine.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: mushambo yes maybe so, but windows has annoying export controls
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I wont ever bash *nix based OS'es, since they are the basis for most of the internet backbone, as well as mac OSX is *nix based.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: export controls? I dont travel to commielands
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: vampiredude, i've used a few diff distros on a comp with 4gb of ram adn linux detects it fine (ubuntu and fedora), maybe try another distro see if its the same issue?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: vampiredude> just told you where to look
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: tezaal the gentoo livecd, and the knoppix livecd, and the slitaz live usb all see it fine 
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: its specific to my kernel config im sure of it
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: nod
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: but all these memory options im finding thus far look like they're for virtual memory
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Huan feels ignored.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I actually have 2 issues atm with my ubuntu install: 1) when i install my video driver (ATI restricted) I can't use my dual monitor setup correctly (more specificialy the driver incorrectly detects my laptop screen resolution and makes the image distorted) and 2) my sound is playing out of both my speakers and my headphone slot when headphones are pluggedi n
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: I bet you $3M that isn't an issue with windows
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: VampireDude types who ignore, and feels less ignored than Huan.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: compaq machine?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: mushambo windows has annoying export controls
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: you're absolutely right, mushambo, but windows forces computer companies into submission by locking in their product, so the companies have no CHOICE but to make drivers. ubuntu offers freedom so the drivers are community developed. and myopic, it is an hp pavillion dv7-3060US laptop.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: tezaal ubuntu is too frustrating for me  use. 
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: linux has some fun games though , so i'm trying to get it to run for when i'm not in a better os
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: vampire: you seem to be much more linux-proficient than myself, since you can compile kernels and whatnot. I view ubuntu as a good foot-in-door entry into linux
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Free Software just may not be for you guy.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: as far as I know there is no cure for the headphone/ speaker hp did someting hardwired.. if you find out different let me know
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I know I've fixed it before just gotta find the notepad file somewhere....its odd that the live cd seems to work better than whan it is installed at times :(
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: your mistake was buying HP. ewww!
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: heh, hey its a -fantastic- computer and its an absolute powerhouse.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: I also cannot upgrade the pulseaudio driver, it breaks
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: completely stock, I can play Unreal tournament 2004 and the WoW people are like 'zOMG HOW ARE UR GRAPHIX SO GUD I WANTS"
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: at highest settings*
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: Yep but I don't have it here, it's the kids so Im not sure of the model
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: tezaal can it support fly mode  or otherwise pair graphics cards?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: it's older
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: don't know vampire, I dont game too much (obv, since i'm playing a MUD lol) but its a laptop...it won't have all that intricate hardware as a desktop. it uses shared video memory from my 4gb of ram so it performs well.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ah i found it
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: apparently i already had memory enabled for the proper sum
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: VampireDude notes that undocumented user errors are much hardre to find than documented ones
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I just don't feel well enough to go, I feel like I might puke at any moment.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: tezaal i know that feeling!
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i'm thinking alcohol might help.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: gah, mischan again!
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: I blame the alcohol from last night, but thats a discussion for a different channel lol
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: one of my first drinks was a 4 horseman, i get credit for that
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: shrug, that 's lame
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: damn, traktor makes beat mixing so easy
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: anyone thats messed with basts new spellup plugin, can you change the order of spells with it?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: how is that done?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: one moment
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: right click on the spell,add in position.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: from what window?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: spells tab in spellup window
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: spell must not be on your list yet
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: are you sure you're talking about bast v6?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: yep
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: when I right click on a spell I don't get that option
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: is the spell allready on your spellup list?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: remove it then right click on it
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: thanks, I'm about to switch back to the old one, this one is way less intuitive
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: I like it,has some minor 'faults' but overall.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: there needs to be a simpler way to change spell order though
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: How would you want it then?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: drag and drop?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: on the old one you just typed spellup + spell:#
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: if I'm not mistaken you can do that too.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: how?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: you're right, must've typed something wrong at first
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Orogan Tech: hmm I guess I was wrong
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: is anybody familiar with bast's plugins?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: just ask your question
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: ok, when i enable the broadcast_skillspells plugin, a lot of errors pop up that say "Trigger function "spellheaders_redirect" not found or had a previous error."
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: do you have all of the files in the zip extracted to the plugins directory?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: yep
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: try loading the plugin you want first, not the helper files, iirc, those will be loaded automatically
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: i loaded bast_spellup and miniwin_spellup
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: broadcast_skillspells came with
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: and i started getting those errors
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: so i turned them off one by one and when i turned off the broadcast one it stopped
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: hmm, must be a newer version, I don't have that one loaded and I have the miniwin spellup plugin loaded
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: yeah, it was new as of last week sometime i think
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: If I want to enable a folder with a trigger, and it is nested in another folder, what is the syntax for enabling that folder?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: zMud
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: #T+ {folder1|folder2|folder3}
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: Thank you much
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul gallantly tips his hat.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diesalot Tech: how do i stop the "line # <date, time> popup when scrolling over screen in mushclient?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armes Tech: how do i get this to go away? only tags i have on are map tags but this appears to be prompt information "{stats}223/145,87/65,87/65,270/165,109/95,112/80,82,100,98,187,280,You are Standing.,9999,3427/4146,2899/2899,3669/3724,1136266,1506,0,-2494,209,137,5"
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: statmon
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Armes Tech: thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone know how I use the bast spellup plugin to cast on others? It's probably something simple but I've tried all the combinations of commands I can think of
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: spellup other name
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: did you try that?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Tried that, nothing happens, I don't even see an error message
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: got me then
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Worked it out, you need to do 'bsp other <char> fast' or add all the spells separately with 'oadd'
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: thanks whomever helped me yesterday, getting newer tf gives me mccp
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: Trigger function "process_prompt" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: how can i remove that, it pops up after every command i enter
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: disable the plugin, something is trying to capture your prompt
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: is it correct for the gmcp.char.status.pos to not match gmcp.cahr.status.state one on one?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: how so?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: when I go to state 4, pos still says standing.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: .state is more specific
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so there are multiple numbers for the same pos
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, state 4 is afk
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so you can be standing, while afk
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so the only thing I can expect from pos is standing, resting, sleeping, and combat...
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and one more...can't think of atm though
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, maybe there's only 4...thought there were 5...
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, the other states are metadata...
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I understand that pos is for display purposes only, I was hoping that it kept pace with state :)
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not sure what you're thinking about with keeping pace...they keep pace with each other entirely, but they're two different things...it's not a numerical and descriptive value for the same thing
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: why not?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: what is the purpose of pos other than being a human readable expression of state?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I mean, really, we don't need pos at all.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: pos/state are slightly different
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: pos is your characters physical position
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: other than changing state to include more numbers, yes we do
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: state is your 'state of mind/actions'
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: afk/running/still/etc
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or even whether logged in
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: aye
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: you can have diff state/pos combos
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I understand all that.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: stand/afk, sit/afk
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: good, so what's your question then? :-)
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they're fully "paced"...both of them are 100% accurate and in sync at all times
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that a pos of standing/afk is meaningless, because afk enforces the relationship of the game with the player. You could be floating in outer space and it wouldn't make any difference. To me pos just shows what state is. Unless it is possible for it to have a value outside the state's domain.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if someone were to look at you while afk and sitting, they will see that you're both sitting and that you're afk...you need both values in gmcp to know that
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the "to you" is the important thing there...
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're looking at how you wish to use the values, not at what the values actually mean
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, I can understand that others my see me sitting and afk, but from my pov that's irrelevant because I don't control their display.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but it is your state and your position, which affects what you can do
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: with few exceptions, gmcp is ver "personal".
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: very*
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: umm, no
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's telling things about you
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the data, as exposed, is ony relevant to me. GMCP doesn't tell me what you are doing, but only what I am doing.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: i'm having a problem with swalec's autohunter plugin, it is only advancing me one step.  thoughts?
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: gmcp.group is the notable exception.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, it's relevant to you, it is showing you your proper state and your proper position
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, I see your point. Thanks for your patience :)
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's a lot of overlap between the two, which the gmcp wiki page mentions, but the overlap is just when you're in the normal "playing" modes
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right. My original thought was, the pos would change to AFK and then when I exited AFK mode it would update back to Standing. But I get your point, though at the moment I can't see how I would use it to any advantage.
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I suspect the gmcp values are just echoing specific values currently used on your char object... it would be much more complicated and unnecessary to try and parse what gmcp should be showing you rather than just grabbing values off your char
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, not everything is important to be triggered upon, I pretty much wondered the same thing when the values were in option102
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in option102, there was value in knowing the position in addition to the state because that's where the enemy's name was...in gmcp we have another field for that
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: when on a quest if my quest mob moves to a new room does %gmcp.comm.quest.room autoupdate?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: uhh. i'm going to say no, and stop botting.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: anyone with blackberry 9800 here?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: bb 9800.... whats the normal name for it? torch?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: nods
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: oh. sorry =) using a bold2
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: just wondering which one to take where i can aard decently on
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: never owned a bb before
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A decoy of Friedpiggy Tech: mxiter!
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: bold2 is retty find to quest on it and stuff
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: worlds apart from mxit fp :P
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: was just looking at the contracts and the 5mp camera is sweet
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you are tech savvy enough to set up a tunnel to your pc, any phone will do
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: dont need for pc :) was looking at mud on the move
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: just need guidance as to which model to take
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: pretty sure the difference between a bold2 and torch for mudding is the screen size
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: this seems quite dumb. but how do i add aard to mxit?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: redryn good point
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: oh cool, dsa has random art images now?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Helric Tech: Anyone have a link of up-to-date plugins? I'm looking for the spellup plugin.. the one I have seems to keep casting buffs I already have
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serrin Tech: anyone has any idea how to remove {something} stuff? I mean from the mud client window
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: the java telnet client on the aard page is about as reliable as the Italians
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Feral Farkyss lowers his head while drawing in a deep breath and lets out a resounding "GRRRUUUUUNT!!!"
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gracefull Bellagree Tech: anyone around to help ?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: depends what you need help with :P
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gracefull Bellagree Tech: omg I have been useing an old version of mush from 4 years ago and i just loaded new one on my new laptop and its so different how do i begine to set this up so i can play i have all these screens all over
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: information option overload
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gracefull Bellagree Tech: i am over loaded holy crap
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gracefull Bellagree Tech: this display is amazing
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gracefull Bellagree Tech: my health mana moves tnl used to be displayed in a bar at the bottom of the screen now there is a window to the right, a communication log windo at the top...oiy
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spitfire Tech: on the newest mushclient how do you get rid of those extra windows and just have the main one?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: file -> plugins, disable the plugins associated with the miniwindow you want to get rid of
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spitfire Tech: hey, Thanks Abe
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: hey abelinc, do you know what to type to make /tmp/swapfile work with swapon ?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I just type swapon /tmp/swapfile
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: hmn. ah /tmp/swapfile is too small
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then swapctl -l will list your current swap usage
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Not an Imm Erikson contemplates swapon'ing a file in his /tmp, which is a swap-backed MFS...
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: /logs/pagefile    102400     1112   101288     1%    1
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: erikson that sounds circular
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: circular logic = bad unless you know the terminal digit of pi
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: sweet, now if only linux would see the full 2 gigs of ram that knoppix and gentoo livecds and --stable see.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I'm on a 64-bit system with 64 MBs of RAM ;-)
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Presumably it would be OK, as long as I have more swap than swap.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: are you sure they are not seeing it as opposed to counting differently?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: abelinc, stop being everything i want to be
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (that was 64 Megs, not Gigs)
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: dokkar 1018220k total seems like 1 gig, instead of 2 gigs
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: abelinc oh.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Are you sure you're using correct units? Perhaps the unit is blocksize or something?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: 64 gigabytes would be so awesome, even windows couldn't fill that i bet
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: cizra, apart from using top or /dev/mem how else may i check
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dmesg
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I would usually use 'free' command...
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: uh, if 'startx' returns that i am lacking a module i915, but i have not specified anything for that in my configs, is there any way to learn what part of the kernel config might contain it ? 
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: make menuconfig in kernel sources and then type "/i915" when it comes up
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's the intel graphics card driver
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: free also lists the 1018220 
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: do you have /proc/config?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: graphics/video section, ok!
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: it appears that i do not. but i believe i added that in kernel config
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i probably will need to reboot.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you can use .config in your kernel sources too... what does grep 'HIGHMEM' say?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: waiting on a return for grep highmem, it appears that the i915 was already selected in kernel... odd
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you need to tell it which file to grep... full command is of course "grep 'HIGHMEM' /usr/src/linux/.config"
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: oh
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: CONFIG HIGHMEM=4G  CONFIG HIGHMEM=y
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: wait no
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: that looks strange, I have no CONFIG_HIGHMEM... are you sure it's not CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i'm sure that its not.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: ok, looks like the simple way won't work here... you'll have to look through dmesg like abelinc said, and search for anything that looks wrong
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: PSE erratum detected, BIOS microcode update recommended.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: Notice: (Execute Disable) protection missing in CPU or disabled in BIOS!
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: Initializing HighMem for node 0 (000377fe:0003f500
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: Memory: 1017729k/1037312k available (4843k kernel code, 18392k reserved, 2436k data, 428k init, 127328k highmem)
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: atkbd serio0: Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying to access hardware directly.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: Abelinc i don't see anything else weird looking?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: all those messages look harmless, or at least not related to memory problems
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: next-step?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: shrug... at this point, if I was standing before unknown machine with this problem, I'd make clean, compile it, remove all other kernels from /boot, install the new one, restart. And then hope it was caused by NOHIGHMEM=y kernel that was left there
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: hmn... make clean or mproper?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: there are not many options in kernal that can reduce available memory... and it's not hardware problem since you said that livecd sees all memory
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: just clean
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: yep both livecds do
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: mrproper would remove your .config too
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argirios Tech: when i press eq for my equipment it says "something" in the item description instead of the actual item name
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argirios Tech: is there any problem with my client?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: It's probably invis.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just your vision
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: a problem with your detects
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argirios Tech: oh ok, thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: is there a way to dedicate some HD space specifcly for Mush to have extra vmem
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no need to, wouldn't be any benefit
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: shoot
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: unless you're on an extremely-anemic system, mushclient shouldn't be having any memory issues
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: ya this is a pretty crappy labtop
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: bad scripts can eat up memory
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: only scripts i have are the ones that come with it and basts
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: anyone know how to make windows bootable again if you accidentally remove your mtldrr?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leonassan Tech: what version?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i don't remember
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: it was a professional home edition
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: XP?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i think so yeah
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: it wasnt vista i know for sure
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: black loading screen with a blue bar that cycled as it loaded
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: except now i have accidentally removed my mtldrr
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and it lets me know this
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: You mean ntldr?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: maybe?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: but i think it said mtldrr
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i can reboot and double check
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Guessing you don't have your install CD?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: netbook
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i have neither the install cd, nor a cd drive to install it with
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Ermm... does your BIOS let you boot from another device that you can write to?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: yes.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: usbs, sd cards, networks
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: not sure if i can write to network, but yes
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Check out http://tinyempire.com/notes/ntldrismissing.htm and maybe you can use USB instead of a CD.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ok i will try that once i get this xorg-server up and working
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Or there may be a better page you can find searching for ntldr instead of mtldrr. I'm no expert in this.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: right ... i guess.. so
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: although if i can just copy all my files i probably won't miss windows all that much anyways
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: anyone here own a kindel just ordered one for my wife
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: Yeah, probably a good idea to back up anything crucial before you try anything if you have the option.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: Raistlin, I have a kindle, I love the thing.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gracefull Bellagree Tech: how do you you catch tells only mine are displaying and catching since i changed back to my old laptop after installing a new mush on a new laptop this morning when i type catch tell it doesnt catch them anymore just displayes them i want it the other way around again 
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gracefull Bellagree Tech: no idea? me either ..ugh
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: anyone know where I'd find a parameter option list for  C's system()||python's os.system() functions?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: did you try the helpfile?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: these days, they ship with the product as well as are offered online
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: umm... not really? used google with little succes. I'll dig around VS's helpfiles but in my exp those are garbge
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: in all honestly msdn has always been crap and the search layout of anything ms is as well. was just wondering if someone could point me at a resource of some sort
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Maskull Tech: I've found the python docs to be pretty good. You might find them easier to use.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: oh sweet, it turns out it wasnt that weird i915 error message, it was the lack of an xterm application that kept killing x, i have a desktop now ^_^
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: if my audio speakers are not working in windows, linux, knoppix, openbsd, nor when spoken to, is there anything to do with them ?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: sounds like it
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: tried them with an ipod?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: or similar
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: VampireDude maybe should just get an ipod.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if they don't work, then chuck em and buy a new pair, i'm guesing
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: sometimes a horse is just a horse
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: actually maybe i can turn my phone into an mp3 player.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: brb
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mack Daddy Honid Tech: anyone know of a good android mud client with alias's?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Speaking of which, recommendations for a good ssh client for iOS would be appreciated.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i can reccommend Axe 1.0 for android, does wonders
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i believe there is something similar for iphone
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mack Daddy Honid Tech: for ssh on android i use connectbot
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: how can i get my quest, gq, and cp miniwindows to appear above my score, status bar, etc miniwins?
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: anyone know why im getting this error Trigger function "skillgain" not found or had a previous error. when im gaining from improving a skill during dounle only thing i have done is open up the test port in another world
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: mush 
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: reboot client may fix it, has for me before. No idea on the reason though.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: kk brb
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: aye thnks sheni
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: np^^
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: in my anti-virus program i have an exclusion set up for a folder i have on my desktop, when i try to extract a file in there the anti-virus program still kills the exe is there another way around short of turning off my AV?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: I hate to be the 99th person to ask, but what folders/files do I have to copy to a ne MUSHclient install on a different machine to preserve mapper history, plugins, etc.?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: new*
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: The main download page for the aardclient has instructions for that.
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: OK, TY
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Invite Tiana Tech: anyone know of a free dlna  software that will do hulu?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: dlna?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i get my hulu with opera =(
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: using the mush plugin with fiendish's/basts plugins there is a green hp bar outlined in grey that i cant move what do i disable to get rid of it
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: any clue?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: is there a way in excel to say "please sum everything in this column below/above this cell" without hard coding a range?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: use relative ranges in the Row Col syntax. not at work but shouldn't be difficult
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: I'll google relative ranges excel, thanks 
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: this works =R1C[-1]:RC[-1]
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: oh sweet :)
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: yah...either you do that or you have to play with offsets or indirect :)
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: you know that list of blocked websites that isps have to check your dns queries against, is there a way to block additional websites by setting up a similar list on a local lan ?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and if so , can i use bind for that, or um?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i believe it's possible to set up static routes to achieve a similar thing
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: static routes, eh?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i'll lycos those next!
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: quite why you'd want to, though....
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Well, if you just want to block something on your computer only, you could just add a hosts file entry redirecting it to localhost.
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: simplest is to just use your hosts file, if it's a single computer
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: couldn't you just say to yourself "right, i'm not going to go there"
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: tigernuts, rofl
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ok, but i want the computer to not go there also. regardless of who or what third party software might be running
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: You'd think so, Tigernuts.  But you can use it to block some things that are difficult to block otherwise, like the ads on Hulu.
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: hulwho?@w
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: my computer does not surf on itself, does yours?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: jhav i recently found that hulu is blocked quite well if you have out of date adobe flash
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ranrr yes, so does my cell phone
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i also get this annoying dumprep 0 -k thing
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: VampireDude sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: anyways, i installed linux, so now i have lots of other non dumprep 0 -k things to worry over.
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: what's the syntax to accept any word in the middle of a sentence in a trigger in mush?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: or better, what's the symbol for this? is it (.*?)
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: .* accepts anything, including zero characters
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: so this should work to trigger on double xp?: ^(.*?)10 minutes of double exp started courtesy of .*
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: hehe, i guess so, since my trigger did go off :P
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: this will trigger even if someone says it
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I use "Double experience for 10 minutes courtesy of *."
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: no need to bring regexp into this
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: ah, ty... what about on the SH message, what do you use?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I haven't found reason to trigger sh message, so I don't use anything for that
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: the trigger you said works for the SH case, but it won't work for the 10 mins of xp from donations...
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: yes, and won't work for hour of double either... those are as separate triggers
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: is there a simple way to make an xterm prompt or bash return math functions, or so on?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: or some other utility i may likely have by default?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: for integer math you can use expr
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: for more advanced, use bc
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: in cmud when you do loop lines, if it does not match after like 1 line how do i get it to revert?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: from the help file: "The state will change when the specified number is reached, regardless of the number of times the trigger has matched in that time. "
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: the problem is after like 2 lines it has not matched, and the next thing the trigger captures is beginning and it will not capture it
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: the problem is after like 2 lines it has not matched, and the next thing the trigger captures is beginning and it will not capture it
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: sorry
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: not sure what you're trying to do...perhaps a normal trigger with a pattern of *, test if it matches what you want in the body with %match, then update the #state accordingly?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i forgot about #state for a min
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cause it sounds like loop lines won't do what you want...
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: so far loop lines is the only one that has worked the way i need it to for this problem
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: hmm can anyone tell me how come gmcpval("vitals.hp") at the command line doesn't work?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: What client are you using?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: mushclient
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: command line isn't parsed for script commands
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's an execute now option, though
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: hmm so this needs to be in a script?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try game -> immediate
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: gotcha thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: everytime I restar mush the wrap output at column number resets to 120, is there a way to keep that from happening?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: that option is at the bottom of the output config btw (alt+5)
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: Where is My SPellup Window from BAST Plugins i dnt see IT !!!!
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: how would i go about replacing what is dispalyed by the mud for another messager for instance
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i want the grey moon to read red moon 
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: a trigger to capture it
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: trigger
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: and just output to world whatever new message you want
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: so trigger gag then send
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: how might i call an alias in another plugin within a plugin i'm writing?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You sending to script in the first alias?  If so you can Execute("secondalias") Execute parses for commands and other aliases.
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Send just sends right to the mud.
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does anyone uses bast's v6 spellup plugin?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: yep
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you use the miniwindow_spellup plugin too?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: yea
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i love it
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I loaded the plugin, but it's not showing a miniwindow for me. did you have to do anything to make it show?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: try sba sa all
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i think thats the command to populate
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why would I want to add blockers? no, I already added spells.
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: mspell spellup toggle
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: thanks zorine
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: np
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Must have been a lot of mudders involved in the net.  That recall button stayed up top and center until FF 4beta.
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: ok, geek humor failure
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: so technically, if my phone were botting, even if i was at keys, i would get in trouble for it, right?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Do you really need an answer to that.  Seriously?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: dugrant, if i do, i doubt you could give it
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Oh.. burn?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stokes Tech: general q/a goes on the questions channel, and all of the answers you're looking to are in "help bot"
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruthless Ross Tech: The 'ask yourself this question' in the fourth paragraph covers just about everything in one sentence, really.
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: but i asked myself just now
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and you were too stupid to know the answer?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: I bow to you fiendish.
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: fiendish is stupidity illegal?
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i wish
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: It should be
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: should be
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: anyone know how to keep the wrap output at column number from reseting whenever I quit mush out?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: is there any easy way to save a movie you watch on hulu or adult websites to your computer?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: in linux
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i wonder how hard it would be to program a keno game in lua?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i wonder why anyone would bother
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: for building purposes as a object prog
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: will it solve the world food shortage?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: maby its enuf mudders get so addict to playing keno that they forget to eat ergo more food for others
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'm sure it would be like creating a scale model of the Eiffel Tower out of dried gravy
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: hmmmm
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: gravy
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: possibly personally rewarding, but ultimately pointless
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: What is keno?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darlorth Tech: keno means empty in Greek
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: is this whhat you mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keno
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snyder Tech: why do i get {/spellheaters} in my prompt randomly.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: your spells are cold?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snyder Tech: you think it is a plugin?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: sounds like a mush-specific plugin error
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snyder Tech: yeah you are right.....
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'd go back to pen and paper and see if the problem persists
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snyder Tech: reloading the plugin worked
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: damned orthodox solutions
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Snyder P
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchanting Flavia Tech: why do I keep seeing the message "tick in 5 seconds" is this something new or can I turn it off?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: type 'tick'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: which client?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchanting Flavia Tech: zmud
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's mudside, tick toggles it
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it is?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: see actions/tick timer... has a tick reminder thing...
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: tick toggles extra info next to the tick message
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the warning before tick occurs is clientside
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: kill it, or you'll be scratching for days
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: anyone here for a quick question on new mush 
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: usually.  But I always tell people, ask the question.  You'll usually get an answer.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: --- new install of new mush --- downloaded bast package -- i unzip as advised to the plugins folder --- do the contents of the unzip need to be in the plugins folder
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: hence
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: plugins - then a v6 folder inside plugins
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: or should all of v6 contents be inside the plugins folder
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: doesn't matter
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can choose the path where your plugin file is
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: ok will try again i am not able to get the spellup plugin to work
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: Trigger function "spellheaders_redirect" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: what exactly does that mean
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it means you did something wrong
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: lol i got that part
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try reloading the plugin
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: did a few times
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: --- bast spellup v6
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: bb too much spam on screen
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read help spamreduce
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: ok back any suggestions on how to fix that
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: Run-time error
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i was thinking much the same thing
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: wish i would have just stayed with the older version at this point
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: 0h 20
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: once a portal is added to mapper does it consider it one room away from anywhere?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: seems to
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: derp i should just figure it out
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: easy to test, just try the room north of the academy portal
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: yep
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: first i have to unlazy myself and upgrade mush and the plugin
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: but its sunday and i dont wanna
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: After A Piece Of Herodotus's stupid remark, Define baps him upside the head; he DID deserve it.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: ow :(
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: can anyone point me to a good disarm script for mushclient? 
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: a disarm script?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rearm
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: to automatically rearm
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the weapon switcher script has rearm trigger
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GhostSoul Tech: bast v6
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: k
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I'd like to create some lua code that will receive an area name (partials allowed) much like the mudside "runto" command and decide which area name it is then proceed with the rest of my code.  Any tips?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: check out the speedwalk plugins ;-)
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Can you direct me to one?  I use MUSHClient
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: check out the comli site listed in help www, as well as bast's zipfile
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Oh, I have Bast's, didn't realize he had a sw plugin bundled?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he may, may not, look a bit...they're generally named pretty recognizably
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and since they're all in 1 folder, it's easy to scan
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Ahh, ok.  Thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: how come lua doesnt have a math.round function
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: is there a way to open more than one world at a time in tf, or do i need to run multiple xterms of tf
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: erikson, how do you make your /tmp into a swap space thing like you'd described?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone know why the bast spellup plugin occasionally stalls? It's happened to me 3 times in 2 days now
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: make sure your prompt ends in %c
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yep, definitely got that already
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: on both prompt and bprompt
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Doing bsp fast fixes it, just wondering if there's a particular underlying cause
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Anybody make use of Bast's broadcast_xxx plugins?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I have few installed, if that's what you are asking
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Not installed, wondering if anyone makes use of them and is familiar with LUA enough to help me with his broadcast_area one.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I have poked around a bit, I made little scan-coloring plugin based on broadcasts from cp/gquest. It's the same as with GMCP, only the messages are different (and very well documented in the broadcast plugin)
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Well most of his broadcast plugins have a show_info on them.  I use broadcast_quest and cp, but I don't know how to actually get info from his broadcast_area plugin.  I get an error from loadstring
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: if the error is only with one specific plugin, I don't think I can help, I don't even have broadcast_area installed
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: It's not necessarily an error with the plugin, just a matter of understanding his code enough to know what to load from it.  The plugin seems to follow the same format as the rest, but I'm not familiar with the loadstring and serialize functions in LUA
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: anyone know what linksys's router page address is? Like my netgear is routerlogin.net, what is it for linksys?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: go google portforward, they have a comprehensive list
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: i usually just go by ip
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: you should just be able to go to the gateway ip and get the page
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: broadcast_area looks like it's not used anywhere in his other plugins, maybe it's just untested and broken. I started from code that I was sure is working -> looked how miniwin_gq is done
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nods, that's what i said but she's obstinate
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: I installed the Bast Spellup Plugin but i dnt see the spellup Window ...help 
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Is there a way to create an alias client side in the aardclient which will do a Note() if the current gmcp roomid?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: of* the current
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yes.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: But you can get look at that with the mapper why do you need an alias?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Just mouse over the current room.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Because if ANYTHING happens when looking at the mapper it interrupts that process and I need to find a LOT of uids.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: why take your hands off the keyboard
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: An alias would be quicker
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: res, pvar = CallPlugin("3e7dedbe37e44942dd46d264","gmcpval","room.info")
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Note(pvar)
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Will give you all the information on the room.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: 3e7dedbe37e44942dd46d264 is the plugin ID for the GMCp handler.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That returns 0 for me
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Metria are you using Mushclient?  You have the GMCP handler installed?  The mapper installed?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yes. Yes. Yes.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: And how might I extract JUST the num from that?  Note(pvar.num)?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: check out http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/GMCP for the way the info is shared.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Hint you'll have to change the room.info to something more narrow :)
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Ahh, k
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Did it work for you though Xaxz?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Spitting out all the info?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Ahh, yes, all worked, and switching to room.info.num worked too.  Thanks!!
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tezaal Tech: could someone advise me how I can de-uglify my MUSHclient font in wine?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: in cmud what would be the command to force execute a trigger inside an alias script
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: anyone good with mush be able to write me a trigger than would use gmcp.char.status.hunger so I'd gulp whenever my hunger was less than 50?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: yeah I'd say anyone who is good with Mushc should be able to write that :)
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: why less than 50?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: honestly though do you quest every 30 minutes?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: as opposed to 70, which is where the combat penalty kicks in?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: or maybe a better question, does anyone know what plugins (aard client and bast) would be gagging the '## You start to feel thirsty.' messages?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I just added a drink to my finish quest alias and I never go hungry.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: mendaloth that would be awesome...
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: If the penalty kicks in at 70 then why are SH's set permanently to 50?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: well, I sit idle a lot, otherwise I'd do that
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i'd also like to add 2 refresh casts to mine
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ... penalty?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no idea, but that was the explanation given for why the nohunger wish is set at 70
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, you dodge a tad less or possibly hit a bit less hard when you get hungry.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: what about when bloated?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: helpfiles say it only affects healing
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I'd like to think that Lasher is smarter than a helpfile.  Almost sure he was the one responding to the point.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: that'd be something pretty important to leave out of a helpfile
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Define Tech: helpfiles are out of date all the time
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and obviously nobody reads them anyways.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Define grins evilly at Dokkar.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Is there a way to call a function in one plugin from another?
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: In MUSH
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/function.php?name=CallPlugin
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: zomg, help files
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Any grand list of room ids of the starting room of areas out there?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: what's a good simple display manager login thing for x?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: xdm?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: Ok.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: kdm or gdm if you want all the desktop environment dependencies
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: hmn.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i was thinking a nice background wallpaper, a login + password box
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and maybe a box to specify which wm to use
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: maybe.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: xdm will work fine
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: but if you're already using kde or gnome there's no reason really not to use their login manager
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: nah i'm using root weave right now
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: other question... how much noise is normal on wifi ?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: like is -512 dBm a bit much?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: -512 dBm is unmeasurable.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: oh.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Maskull grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: is a signal-to-noise-ratio output by a program like wavemon, useless then if it lists noise as -512 dBm ?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Yes, it's talking complete crap.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: I see.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: erikson, how can i set up a /tmp memory thing like what you have?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: 50 bels is more orders of magnitude than almost anything you can encounter in the universe.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: k.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: my signal level is -349 dBm ?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Varies wildly by OS (and even within sometimes)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Also crap.  .00000000000000000000000000001 nanowatts?  Please.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i see.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: so i should trust the -92dBm listed under iwconfig instead?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: or Do 'something' that does not require special tools like a saudering or soldering device?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: VampireDude peers intently at Not an Imm Erikson.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: 0 dBm is 1 milliwatt of power received.  -90 dBm is one billionth of that, so no, it's wrong also :P
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Well, -92 is possible.  Very very low though.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ok, i'd like to improve upon that.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: When it comes to RF, I'm way more used to thinking in dBmV though.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ok, but doesnt that require more near and far field complications
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i'd rather focus just on what my computer can tell me... rather than have to think =s
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: its just, erikson, for a Volt to be a Volt, there has to be 2 points and a distance between them right?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Er.  No...   they're interchangeable if you know the impedance of the antenna path.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: difference, not distance ^_^
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ok. impendance i dont know
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: RF is AC, so you have two points; the size of the excursion.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: impdenance. meh cant type
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ok, so RF is ac, which is lots of tiny dc's. which still doesnt make my signal any better lol
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: should i get like a cantannae or something?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: ...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ir a smarter wifi card maybe ?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: one cantannA, many cantannae.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: When was AC a bunch of DC's?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: spank when did god make the universe
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Well, a lot of datacenters have air conditioning, so...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: salvanas ok. should i get some cantannae or something
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: erikson yes  datacenters sound nice
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: so does wisconsin.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: is anyone besides me confused right now?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: oh, and it's cantEnnae.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Please explain to me how AC is DC?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas will shut up now...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: spank, would you like me to reference a book, a website, or to type lots of stuff on tech?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: all of the above
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Yes.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: okay then, i will reference a book.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: a book that is also found in google books!
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: but that i have a hard copy of resting atop my radio as a fire hazard.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: So are you saying that each half wave constitutes a DC current?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: please review 'Electronics' By Armen H. Zemanian, Associate Professer of Electrical Engineering, New York University' , published by McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: lcn  - 60-16724
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: spank no, i'm trying to say that if you map out a wave on a cartesian grid that it will make more sense
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and i'm trying to suggest that having me describe it, will be less helpful than reading the book yourself ^^
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: "..ac, which is lots of tiny dc's..." what an interesting pov :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: do you share that pov , anaristos?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it's a biiiiig stretch
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: of course ac is dc until it comes back :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: well, since i don't care to argue about the laws of physics...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: electronics is all about simplifying and abstracting what's really going on, so I guess you can see it that way in some scenarios
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: let's shift to a better topic, like making wifi work better, =) or maybe hole mobility in semiconductors
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: VampireDude blinks innocently.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, I am not sure that there is such a thing as native ac power, so that might satisfy your physics.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ranrr i dunno, for me, electronics is about accessing radio and video via my computer
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: sure, and that's your abstraction
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: no... it's my personal motivation for obtaining electronics
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: What about hole mobility in fullerene tube?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: spank i don't have any fullerene tubes =(
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: is fullerine an native entity?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: I want some.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: anaristos, native in the Q continuum sense?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I assume you have sniffed for which channels are free and are using those?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: native as in "it happens spontaniously in nature"
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: no, i just was wishing my wifi was less laggy, and wonder if the noise is at fault
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: in my experience, the default channels are what everyone is using, so my switching channels you can get more umpf in your wifi
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: That spectrum is free for a reason.  Lot's of noise out there.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: yeah, cell phones, 18 wifi routers , and microwave ovens
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: all in my area .
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: try using channel 1 or 11 instead of 6
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: right now on ch 8
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: I have to dial a special number to talk to my microwave oven.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: spank what number?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: Isn't the channel selection just where you start?  I thought the whole thing was based on frequency hopping.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you can ask the OEM for the code.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: there is channel overlap as well
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: rannr so basically, you understand electronics?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: pi to the 10^23
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I wouldn't go that far, but I have some knowledge
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ok. i'd love to ask you about the real world versions of capacitance someday.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I'm sorry, the number you have dialed is imaginary.  Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grizzler Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: sorry erikson, fingers too fat, please mash keypad ( from the simpsons)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but i am a networking expert
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ranrr so you understand nodes, routing tables, bind servers, and secondary routing tables?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: I tried dialing imaginary numbers on my cell phone, but it reads i as 4 and it really screws me up.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: that stuff always looks neat =) but i am too lazy to learn it.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: sure I do
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ranrr cool =)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Capacitance isn't real, it's imaginary.  Otherwise calculating impedances would be a lot simpler...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: I always get the home office of NAMBLA when I do that.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: if i set up a local dns cache it'd save me a bunch of time
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: erikson but capacitance is really real
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: if your isp sucks, then yes
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ranrr, it does. 
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: <--- ISP suks
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: sheni , check out cox.com, it sucks more
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: nah... you have no idea... 56k dial up killer ftl
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: sheni i'd love to be on dialup, if they didnt require me to buy a landline phone
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: dont even conect at 56k, get on at 44
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheni Tech: on Satelite ?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: satellite sounds fun
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Not if you care about latency.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: erikson, so you're saying this book's concept of a constant of proportionality doesnt really exist outside of imagination?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: erikson i don't care about latency unless it comes in the form of lag.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: latent talent is fine.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: on the other hand, if it was nascent talent, i'd have to get a dictionary
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Well, every word in that sentence is English, but they sure don't mean anything together.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Ok I have a question for you.  What do you get when you cross a mountain climber with a mosquito?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: malaria
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: NOTHING!  They can't be crossed:  A mosquito is a vector and a mountain climber is a scalar!
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: erikson, let's try this way.... C Dn = K2   (DIn/dV )
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: oh wait, dI
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Don't drink and derive.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if the mosquito is swatted by the mountain climber...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: anaristos or if the tower of pizzas leans too far
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, if the mosquito is swatted by a mountain climber is such a way that the mosquito's vector is not changed, then you have mM :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: anaristos but if the mosquito enters the field through which the climber is moving
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: at any rate the mosquito's vector magnitude will be increased by m.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: by a factor of m, that is.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Anyone know any reason why the GMCP mapper in aardclient doesn't properly use the "enter pool" cexit from the amulet of planes area?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Or I should say, it works fine in my client, but not another persons?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zador Tech: In what programming language was Aardwolf made? C?C++?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: i would guess c/c++
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Hmmm, any way to save a table in a plugin SaveState and load it later?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: MUSTclient
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: mushclient*
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You have to seralize it first.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: serialize even.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Hmmm, ok so if I'm using a loadstring to initialize a global variable.. if the GetVariable() doesn't exist, I get an error.  How do I avoid this?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: loadstring (GetVariable ("room_list")) ()
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: bad argument #1 to 'loadstring' (string expected, got nil) is the error I get
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: damn laptop designers
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i had to disassemble everything except for the screen because i wanted to do a simple thing that is cleaning the damn heatsink
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: how about a hatch over the vent and heatsink? too much to ask for?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: hmmm... vacuum cleaner?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: a vacuum cleaner won't pull the dust/lint carpet through the heatsink, i'm afraid
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and there's a grill over the heatsink and vent. sitting there, mocking me
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: how do you quit tintin from command line
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: #quit
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no, we can't have a hatch there
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheezFries Tech: #ERROR: #UNKNOWN TINTIN-COMMAND 'quit'.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you have to remove the bottom covers, then the keyboard, then the top cover, then all the mobo cables, then the motherboard and THEN you can clean your damn vent
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: well, it's not something thats meant to be cleaned all the time
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the worst part is, that you could remove the fan without removing the mobo, if the engineers hadn't put the screws on the other side
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i clean it quite often, actually
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: oh... now i see the problem
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: my laptop isn't one of the ones that sit on a table all day. i move around with it and use it in different enviroments. some of them very dirty
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so i'm cleaning it every month or two
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: yeah, I wouldn't recommend mudding on the toilet
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: why not?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't usually mud from the toilet, i read there
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but mudding from the toilet sounds pretty good
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: if things get intense, there could be splashing
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the only problem is, that the speakers cable doesn't reach there
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: ugh.. i seem to have a malfunctioning invmon plugin that, even though I disabled and removed it is still firing this stuff "{invmon}2,498310506,-1,26"
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: try tags inv off
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: and that's why i love tech chan
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: hmmm nope still seeing {invmon}2,518644327,-1,26 when i change equipment after turning inv tags off
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: hmm, try just invmon
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: genius
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: now maybe you could tell me why the invmon miniwindow never appears on my screen when i install the plugin?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: dunno, I don't use it, might want to ask the plugin writer if you can't get any other help
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: meh as long as its not throwing tags all over the place anymore im not too worried about it
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: is there a pool of mushclient scripts that provide plugins that monitor level gains / level times / average qgains over remort / tiers etc?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You are describing Bast's plugin....finger bast
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: and that are also easy to install in the aardmushclient version?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for mushclient plugins, 3 places to go, really...start with the latest aardmush, then add in bast stuff, then check out comli's page in help www
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast's are now easy to install (didn't used to be)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast's stuff unzips into a single folder...stick that folder into your plugins directory, then go file -> plugins, click add and select the one that you want to add...if it needs other bast stuff, it should automatically know about it and enable that as a prereq
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: I tried out Bast's version of mushclient
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: it has all desirable features
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: BUT
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: sadly it keeps hanging up or bugging around
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: on my laptop
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: either the gquest window crashes or whatever.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: also, I figured it very resource intensive and have somehow a laggy feeling when playing with that mush version
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: are you using it with the new client or what?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast hasn't had a version of mushclient in quite a while, so if you tried bast's mushclient, that's quite a few versions old
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: i am still using the old aard client
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: but figured it would be smart to update
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use the new aard client
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: since the new aard version is pretty sexy :p
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You rapidly nod twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah no question, switch up!!
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: but since I am looking for these statistic plugins for months already
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: it would be a nice opportunity to get them installed too
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and it is necessary for some of bast's stuff (at least a gmcp client is)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it was a pain to switch, but worth it
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: i am just not very well at these things
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: happy that i know how to do an alias with mushclient lol
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: that's my level :p
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: although one of my (own) scripts is still broken, because Bast changed him miniwin API -- ah, upgrading is such sweet sorrow
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: good thing about this client is that there's no "install"...it just unzips to a directory, so you can have the old one and the new one open next to each other
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I've have mine straight from version control -- always an easy update path, although tricky to get it working in the first place
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: is there any way to toggle that chats only appear in the communication log and not both in the playing window and communication capture?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right-click the chats window
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: change the echo
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tons of right-click options in the new client
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnidlohnad Tech: is there a way of accessing room flags like prison on GMCP?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: prison no, other flags yes
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bank, safe, graffiti, maze, pk, shop, terrain
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: underground?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: underground is a terrain, yes
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnidlohnad Tech: thanks, that's a shame only wanted the prison and norecall ones
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gotta use recon for that
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: when trying to load Bast's consider plugin, I get the following error output: Line    1: Expected '<', got "P" (content not permitted here) (Cannot load)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: anyone has a clue how to solve that?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: Is their anyway to alias gear by serial numbers for quick swaps?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: how?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: same way you alias anything, really...depends on your client
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: mushclient
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: Get (Serial number) bag
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: Get (Serial number) bag, does not work for me
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: get 409587367 bag
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes it does
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: hmm...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: replace Serial number with your actual serial number and bag with a keyword from your bag :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for aarditems, get/put (123456) bag works...for all items, the id: number works
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: get 302772 4.bag
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you want to call your level 90 aardaxe 90axe, then you can create an alias to unconditionally swap your typing of 90axr with (123456) or with its Id numer
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aztar Tech: ah... more than one bag... you can use the serial number on it too... get 304467 6355455
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if using the aard serial number, then you must include at least the opening (, since it's a keyword with the parens
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: ok thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kratos Tech: thanks alot guys, much appreciated.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the Id number is strictly numerical, so don't need ()
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: is there any way to connect to aard via ssh instead of telnet?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: i don't think aard has an ssh port for the game
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: so if that's the case, no
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: on mushclient, does anyone know how to keep the 'wrap output at column number' (press alt+5, bottom of the page) from resetting every time I turn mush off?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: jek, have you tried using file -> save world details before closing out?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: to test for a permissions issue, try right-clicking, do run as administrator, changing it, saving world details, then quit & go back in
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: I have my mushclient on my desktop and I'm using an adminstrator account
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not the same
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ok, how do you do what you just said?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right-click, do run as administrator
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: what am I right clicking on?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wherever you start mushclient
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ok, what do I do now?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: now make it how you want it, do save world details, quit out and open it back up (doesn't have to be admin this time) to see if that took
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ok
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: no, so I guess a plugin is changing that on me?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: could be, will probably have to wait for fiendish, as he knows the layout plugin
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: does anyone use cmud and mush? how do the 2 compare in terms of ease of scripting?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: I use Atlantis
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: depends on which type of scripting you're used to
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: im used to cmud's but the mapper kinda sucked and i stopped playing for a bit
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: as a complete beginner, i found it easier to script simple stuff in cmud
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: now im using mush and the mapper seems awesome tho
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elvendar Tech: but mush has that package going for it too
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the mapper is the BEST thing about mush
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, cmud's mapper is still head and shoulders above mushclient's
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i find zmud is more friendlier to new people scripting
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Elvendar noddles in total agreement at Arch-Mage Raistlin.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: orly? how so abelinc?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: but its so damned annoying to set up abelinc
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: i found it clunky, or maybe just coz i didn't set it up right
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: and to maintain
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: paths have costs, can know recall rooms vs norecall rooms (and similar portal)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when fully set up, it truly is a shortest path from anywhere on the MUD to anywhere else on the MUD in 1 click
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: oic
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: hmm, but i didn't like the cmud scripting language though, it wasn't really intuitive and i had to do workarounds even for basic stuff
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: like playing with arrays
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: now back to your question zorine mush on the other hand IMO a bit more picky on triggers and such but the gmcp mapper and other plugings are awesome
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: but if i could have the gmcp mapper on cmud i would choose cmud tho
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: heh
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: my personal opinion tho
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: hehe
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: hm
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cmud's mapper is fully compatible with gmcp...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and if you don't like the cmud scripting language, you don't have to use it
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i just could never get the thing workin right
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it has a few other languages built-in, including lua
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: oh i didn't know it had lua
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: maybe i should revisit it then
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: thanks myrkul
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: hmm if cmud has lua, can i just import mush lua scripts into cmud?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: is my math wrong to think that a 40 weight weapon is heavier than a 15 weight primary weapon?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: depends who you ask
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: looking back on tech -h, no zorine, you cannot import mush lua scripts into cmud
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: ah ok
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lua is an extensible language...the style would be the same, but all of the important bits are program-specific
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: i see
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: dang, 
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: the mush spellup script by bast is really cool
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lua isn't meant for a MUD client, so things like aliases/triggers/worlds/etc are invented in it
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: is there any equivalent in cmud
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can check out davos.aardcharn.com for some cmud scripts
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cmud also has an in-client script repository
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and vampiredude: for you, no, a 40 weight weapons is not heavier than a 15 weight primary weapon
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger vampiredude: Level 70 Male Vampire Soldier (Tier 0)....help soldier: Bonuses: Dual wield weapons regardless of weight.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you subclass change away from being soldier, then you will no longer be able to dual the 40 weight weapon while pri wielding the 15 weight
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ah.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: so soldier isnt useless after all
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they have 2 abilities, one for pvp
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Who ever said Soldier was useless?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: a marine i had for a roomate once in college
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You bury your face in your hand and sigh.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: he was from kansas, though... um thanks for explaining it abelinc
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: about how much should it cost to get a mainspring adjusted in a wristwatch / can i do it myself
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: buy a digital watch :P
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: $5, wal-mart ;-)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: for real?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i didnt know walmart repaired mainsprings
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Cain killd Abelinc Tech: buy a digital watch :P
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: oh.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: so in otherwords, abelinc doesnt know
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: no springs attached
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: i see the problem here.. this clock is full of WHEELS! Three days slow, that's what it is.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Well, you could attempt to do it yourself, and then spend $5 for a new one after you totally futz the spring into oblivion...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Abelinc knows that it'd have to be a helluva special watch to make it worth the effort, to repair a 150 year old technology
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: salvanas i'd rather pay a profession smith of sorts to do it, just not sure what a fair price is
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: abelinc it cant be that old can it lol
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: lots of watches are still mechanical.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: The technology is 150 years old, not your watch :P
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: japan makes them, switzerland makes them, albania makes them, even russia makes them
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure it can (and is)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and china!
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: you'd be surprised, often watchmakers/repairmen can be pretty bored from disuse of their trade and will often do it for cheap or free just to be useful
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: vagus yes, and some of them don't like you for not having emmigrated here, and will be really mean
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there aren't many truly mechanical watchmakers anymore
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: which begs the question... Why are you asking us idiots, and not just get a quote from a watchmaker? :P
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and it's helpful to know a fair price...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: i emigrated outta the states lol
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: most watches that you think are mechanical are electromechanical
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: vagus you lucky sod
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: im in peru for now
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: next stop libya?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: ecuador next
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwa'ra'ri Atlanta Tech: we've got some classic watches, and I've had to get them repaired.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: drc... or uzbek would be preferred
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: then colombia, panama, costa rica, etc
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: gwa how much did that run you?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: gonna try to catch a sailboat in the bahamas and be a deckhand for a while
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yet again, Dashiell Tech: ah, so you're on a roll. You're running from the law.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fair price depends on the mechanism...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rolex oyster won't be the same as swatch
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwa'ra'ri Atlanta Tech: we went to a small jewelry store owner in our area, and he didn't charge.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: not much its cheap here and I'm actually drawing unemployment *shhhh*
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: been on the lam for 8 months now
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: vagus, i asked gwarai atlanta
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wouldn't it be hard to draw unemployment and be on the lam at the same time?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwa'ra'ri Atlanta Tech: they were good watches, and he was pleased to do the work - so he didn't charge.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: not unless its federal
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Depends on how many different identities you've set up...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: but states adminsiter the unemployment, and not all states match data
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: you'd think so. apparently the surplus of unemployed due to the oil spill has made an audit of the louisiana unemployment dept. pretty impossible
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: vagus, you sound sort of dishonest
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: its really a lot easier than you think
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: can i turn you in, in exchange for a form letter from some official office somewhere?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Sort of? :P
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: good luck
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: my pot dealer has drawn unemployment for 4 years
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: salvanas well, my neighbor is on unemployment, and getting state rehab money, which he spends on assault rifles and marijuana.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and tells me how his buddy owns the place he was fired from, and can get his job back as soon as the unemployement runs out
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: i fill out an online form and they direct deposit into my account. its pretty painless really
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: during the time which, he is taking federal student aid and pell grants to go to school
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: double dipping from pell, and the state rehab money.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and you're not supposed to use drugs while taking pell.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: so by comparison, vagus is not quite as dishonest
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if he's dealing pot, he's not unemployed :-)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: you have to earn unemployment money, by working at a legitimate job and get laid off for reasons other than your performance
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyway, people shouldn't deal pot, they should grow their own
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: all of which happened to me
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas suggests we take this to Gossip. Or just kill it. :P
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: kill -9
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: and to be honest, my former company lied about how long i'd worked for them so they could pay me less in UE payments
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: times are hard...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: they conveniently forgot to mention my time with their previous LLC when reporting my employment to the workforce office
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: vagus the us department of defence makes mistakes like that often too
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i think being laid of for bad reasons is bad, i think lying about how long you've worked there to pay you less is bad, but then, double-drawing on benefits is also bad
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: while every other employee kept their time from the previous LLC mine magically disappeared
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: two wrongs don't make a right!
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: But three rights do make a left!
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: But three wrongs do! ;)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: VampireDude grins evilly at Not an Imm Erikson.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fluffled Salvanas likes mixing metaphors.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: i worked there for 3 years and they only reported the last 6 months b\c they changed their name
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: so instead of X amount i made X-80 per week
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: so yea i said screw them and biggity bounced, like a boss
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: vagus, how much you get per month in unemployment
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: like. a boss.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and could you be re-hired at your last job?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: about 700
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and that's enough to travel on in south america?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: comfortably?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: the company has dissolved since
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: been doin it 8 months now
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: grin, i had an employer that dissolved once too.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: but, comfortably?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, that'd cover half my mortgage
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: like you can eat steak and carne asadas?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tigernuts seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and go to movies or alcoholic establishments?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: here in Peru its really cheap
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: yea all the time man
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: Maybe I should move to peru.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: how much does it cost to get a visa there?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: have you been even by a Grue in Peru?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: i stay at hostels and work in exchange for my room and board
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: is it like mexico where you just pay 15$ to the border cops?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: eaten*
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: it is dark. you are alone. the grue eats you
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, eaten, thanks sweetie
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: its free for americans, but residence can take a while to get because everything administrative here is retardedly slow
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: typing left handed :-/
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You give Tigernuts a long and passionate kiss, it seems to last forever...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: so deportation... is slow?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: lol yea
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: lol.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ok ... well maybe i should move to peru .
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: if i wanted to i could go around and find a real job here easily
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as opposed to the blindingly-fast US government
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: how much you think it costs to get down there?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: abelinc you're not a fan of the department of justices's executive office of immigration review?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: Peru actually has one of the fastest growing and most stable economies in SA
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: wierdly enough
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm pretty apathetic toward it, vampire :-)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i see.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: spiritair is your friend
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: spirit air, really? not cuba linda? k
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: they fly to Lima
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ah. lima. land of beans.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: is it spanish or portuguese i need to learn?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: I'm in Miraflores right now, nice part of town
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: spanish
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: castellano really
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: castellano... is that like castillean spanish?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: or?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: spanish but that's what they call it here
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: like say, i was gonna go to borders, and pick up a book?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: what does any of this have to do with tech there are other channels more approiate then tech
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: just spanish, maybe some quechua wouldnt hurt but that would be easier to learn here
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: do i ask the short, balding brown haired portly guy with glasses and a nametag for spanish?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ok, spanish.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: Ok!
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: this is all very technical, raist
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: q/a or gossip is where this discussion should be takin place
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and although the portly guy with glasses, a nametag, and brown hair which is balding, at borders bookstore is pretty intelligent, i don't want to dig into minutiae of al anguage i havent learned yet in my inquiry of ' where' point' ugh' ugh'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not q/a
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: wa wa wa waaaaaaa
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: Rata, not sure who you mean, but is he your quest mob? If so, type 'quest info', that'll give you the area and roomname.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fluffled Salvanas Tech: mis
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: in mushclient, if i want a trigger to capture a multiple word variable, how would i do that?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MUSH's default matching style is glob, which works the same whether it's single or multiword wildcard...*...you can also use regular expressions if you tick the checkbox, in which case you can be more flexible or restrictive with your matching pattern
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: so instead of %1 like i'd use in zmud it's *? then *=@Variablename?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the * is in the trigger pattern...it's still %1 in the action part
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: or rather, @variablename=*
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: oh ok
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: do i include ()'s? 
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so, say, if you had a trigger on "You get disarmed and your * falls from your hand", then action on "get %1 <hit enter> wear %1", then if your weapon were called "A dagger of Aardwolf", it would trigger on "You get disarmed and your A dagger of Aardwolf falls from your hand", and would send "get A dagger of Aardwolf" and "wear A dagger of Aardwolf"...that would perform those steps, but wouldn't actually work on Aard because (1) that's not the right disarm text, and (2) while it sees "A dagger of Aardwolf", those aren't its keywords
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: i see your point
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: i just want something that keeps track of a keyword for items equipped to certain slots so that I can have aliases that are able to manipulate those slots regardless of the name of the item inside
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: similar to how the weapon switcher works i guess but for other slots
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, an easy way to do it is to copy/paste weaponswitcher...change variablenames & the plugin ID
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: using the new aardwolf mushclient, i still don't receive a tone when being paged.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: is that bug not fixed? or do I have to toggle something?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I haven't gotten a termbell from Aard in years...I set a trig for it
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: in mushclient's trigger window, send field, what's the correct syntaxt to for @var1=@var2?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: cuz it just sends a = to the mud lol
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you have to change the drop-down for send to:
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: send to world means send to world...i.e. send to Aard
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: send to execute and send to script offer increased parsing
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: hrrm
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: i loaded the bast miniwindow_stats
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: but i don't see it
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: is tehre a command to update it? or to load it?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: i had the same problem with all the miniwindows from bast
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: none would open on my screen
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: well, i got the window that shows qtime, etc
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: nvm
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: it just appeared.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: after 2 mins lol
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Vagus, did you have the miniwin_tabwin plugin loaded? That seemed to help me with a similar problem
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: probably not
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: so, i thought i'd make an alias for wear that takes your entered keyword and stores it in a variable. Then a trigger detects which slot it's equipped to and stores copies the wear keyword to the slot's variable. make sense? probably over-complicated for what i wanna do lol, but im just trying to figure out the syntaxt for mushclient, really, and I can't make @var1=@var2 lol
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: wtf
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: Trigger function "spellheaders_redirect" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: getting spammed with that
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: anyone has a clue what that is?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: that happened to me too
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: doesn't stop
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: disable the plugin
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: yeah, but which?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: i think its the broadcast spells
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: if you saw me setting up mushclient, you'd knew that aardwolf is mostly a game for computer freaks lol
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: it is, thanks :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: i started playin aard in computer science class so yea
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: yea im feeling pretty inadequate lol. why is this so complicated? i cant even get a trigger to capture a damn variable
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is Mush, if you can't hack it as a coder you'll just have to wait with the rest of them.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: very helpful thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: say i want the client to capture the keyword i enter AFTER i type the word wear...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: can it do that?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: so i have to go learn freakin lua to be able to write a mud trigger? that seems a bit much
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: ok, so in the trigger window, all i want to send is a command to the client for ar1=ar2. what do i have to have checked and whatnot? i know i need to change the send to dropdown, but to what? to script? it still just sends a = to the mud
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: shoulda read @var1=@var2
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: and there was much rejoicing
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: any zmud wizards on?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ask your question :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: some of us are good at different parts
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: nice :P
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: I want a trigger that captures the nextline
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: nextline the mud puts out
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: so when I type where mob
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: the trigger captures the room name
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: doable? :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't want to do it on when you type where mob...you have no way of knowing that the next thing that the mud outputs is the result of that
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: when I type where gond, the very next line every time is Gondor, the Bishop's assista The Bell Tower
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it isn't
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: I want it to capture "the bell tower"
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your tests are flawed...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: youre probably right but I dont see your logic
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: what you wanna do is create an alias for 'where'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the MUD sends you plenty of output without you typing stuff
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can type where gond when I'm saying something on tech, for example
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: so that when you type 'where bob' it will turn on the trigger that captures 'where'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and you can type where gond right as your spellup script is sending c armor
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at A Nimwit Velian.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but that trigger should NOT be "capture the next line"...it should be "capture stuff that fits the output style of a where output"
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: then as soon as you see the "where" line it will capture and close out the trigger
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: what would the command be
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: you can use #T+ whereCapture
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: yeah I figured that
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: as long as you name your trigger 'whereCapture'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: then #T- whereCapture (at the end of the capture)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: then where %1;#T-
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: right
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: but what would the 1st part be
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: basically #Alias where {#T+ whereCapture;#SEND where %1}
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: I got the alias part
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i'd recomend using regex to read in the trigger line
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: what about the trigger
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ominous Atom Tech: the room name will always be 29 spaces in
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: hey abelinc, can you think of a good way to capture just the room part of 'where mob'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: problem i come into is when the mob name is long
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I have a way
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Courtesy fiendish, but it can break easily.  One sec
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: 'where maarg' in Stardock gives "Maarg, Ruler of the 5th Circ On a Balcony"
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: ^(.{29})(.+)$
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i understand the name chops off, but how would you get a trigger to recognize that
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: It can break very easily, but a second use usually works
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: cause it's a simple space after the cut off
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Where is aligned at the 29th space
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: hmm
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: ok so for that trigger we'd need client side tags, not a #T+ in an alias
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: I don't know how to implement it in anything but MUSH, I'm sorry, but yes, that trigger would be turned on, "where mob", then turned off.  With a check in it to see if you get "There is no..."
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: anyone know how to fix the problem with basts
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: stat plugin where it does whois every tick
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arch-Mage Raistlin Tech: i set pagesize to 0 and i thought that was the fix but apprantly im missing a step
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: hmm using cmud, i get random changes in color for the room name where im using #sub to remove the {rname} rag
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: anyone experienced it before?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: it's probably overwriting the ansi codes.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: just upgrade to gmcp and problem solved :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: if you're using cmud why use the room tags at all though? use gmcp
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: but no, never dealth with color bleeds.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: oh I just got back to using cmud and all my scripts are old school, using telopts and tags
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: will port the stuff to gmcp once exams are over, thanks :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: its so much better. truly.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: yup lol i have a messy trigger on statmon that i can just turn off and speed up my experience immensely with telopts
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: gmcp i mean
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: yep, using gmcp i've eliminated prompt/statmon entirely, it's quite nice
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: is there any documentation on gmcp triggers in cmud? i'm looking to trigger on state change, from sleeping to standing
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there probably is, but I know it only by use
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: cmud includes the documentation for it. but basically you make gmcp trigger and put char.status in the pattern line.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: then in your script you'll use the %gmcp variable to access the status
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I believe you cannot make a trigger on anything past the package.field depth, though
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: There's a section in the Aard wiki on gmcp in Cmud, too
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: %gmcp.char.Status.state in this case
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: yea the cmud section of aardwiki triggers on char*
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: thats too general though, so i wonder if char.Status.state works
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it does not
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: no annoyingly it doesn't
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: but you can trigger off char.status and check for the state
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xattr Tech: just can't go deeper than 2 levels :/
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, char.status.state isn't ever sent on its own
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: even if only your state changes out of all the fields in char.status, the mud sends the whole thing (for now)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Have you tried watching Inception?  You have to go deeper :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: ahh i see triggering off char.status works
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: ok thats good enough for me, thanks guys :)
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's what she said!
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: thats what she said
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: time to rework the regen ring said
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: dammit
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lost Vagus Tech: beat me to it you bastard :-p
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: doh, regen ring script
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: hahaha
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, while you sulk, you can go buy us some sodas
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: anyone know how i can triggger off rooms in gmcp for cmud?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: #trigger {room.info} {whatever you want to do} "" {gmcp}
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: why do you wanna do that, though?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: for updating the mapper?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in that case, don't use the trigger, use an onRoomEnter event
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mapper will already grab info from gmcp
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: oooh
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: it would be nice if cmud automatically did that
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: true, Abe, but if you need to change that info it won't automatically update it for you.  You've got to issue a #look or use one of the %room functions
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: do i have to tellhe mapper specifically to use gmcp?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: akuri, it does
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: or does it already do that, i just installed cmud 3.33
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I believe it should be set by default, or at least Aard's sending the request during negotiation.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you do the mapper wizard to set it up, and have gmcp turned on, it'll use gmcp
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorine Tech: ahh ok great thanks
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: ah ok
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: in cmud say i have a variable with a key=123 and val=abc, how would i add another instance of key=123 where val=def?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: cause #ADDKEY replaces the val abc with def
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Nimwit Velian Tech: i'd like it to come up abc|def.  i know how to do it in one command, but not adding on to an already created variable
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Goatskill Tech: #ADDITEM var.key val
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if you want to nest keys, just reference the var.key you want to insert into.  If you want to have two keys on the same level with two different values...well, you can't.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: anyone on that might be able to help me with a website issue?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: VampireDude raises his hand.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: i am having an issue createing a website.... 
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: are you using software?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: 1 i really don't know what i am doing... and 2 well... it doesn't look the same in IE as it does in FireFox... colors are differant
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: i got a book on "HTML" and am using "notepad" as it told me to
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ah. is this for a class? if not use a free creation program
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: start with index.htm ,  
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: set your BG color and your FG colors... get some nice A HREF's going on
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: load an xbm image, or a .jpeg if you care about bandwidth
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and then add some <P> and </P> and you're good to go
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: no, not for a class... i am 36... trying to create a site for myself... i bake cookies 
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: i eat cookies!
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: in fact today i obtained my order of girl scout cookies finally
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: website is www.totallycookiesandcakes.com
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: and well, they're mostly gone
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: sirensong, your simplest, least headache ridden thing would be to take a program, get the site you want, and then later learn html and XTML and applets...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: by tinkering around, while looking at your book.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: work first, play later.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: that being said, what's the specific problem ^_^ im bored
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: if you look at the site....
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: in IE the buttons are differant color than they are in FireFox...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: that is one issue
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: and its the same exact code... same bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: and same fgcolor=
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: fgcolor="#CCCCFF:
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: you can specify settings per browser too
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: you mean it does not go accross the board as default? like the colors?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: the other issue is i have no clue how to make it exciting and make people want to go to the site and stuff... but that is WAY down the road i am sure
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: just put tags that the search engines will like
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: like the "keywords"?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: i have done that...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: and that is the other issue i am having...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: when i type in the search bar or what ever... and type "totally cookies and cakes" it takes me to the "whois" page... not my webpage
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirensSong Tech: but any ideas on how to fix the color thing? or make the site look better than just text?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: I have an Error ... Tmer function 'display_timer" not found or had a previous error ???
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: What is this RED ERROR  Timer function "display_timer" not found or had a previous error
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StealthShade Tech: What is this RED ERROR  Timer function "display_timer" not found or had a previous error
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: -board
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: anyone here who can help me with the following error message?
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: Run-time error Plugin: StatMonitor (called from world: Aardwolf) Immediate execution database is locked stack traceback:         [C]: in function 'nrows'         ...USHclientr340\MUSHclient\worlds\plugins\lua\sqlitedb.lua:45: in function 'checkfortable'         [string "Plugin"]:388: in function 'formatquest'         [string "Timer: "]:1: in main chunk
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: i get that when i complete a quest or when I do a level
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: I installed the bast plugins to the aard mushversion today
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: and first it worked fine
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Well, that'll teach you to level...
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: Just restart Mush.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: then i went idling, linkdead, and when i relogged this happened
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetsukaze Kurojiryuu Tech: close the application and reopen it.
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lois Lane Tech: will try