T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: when logging in to aardmush client for the first time, does it switch any configuration settings inside aard?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not just the first time...every time you connect
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: is there a list of them?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: ah
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'll turn on the tags stuff that it needs
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it will do a bit more than that
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it will enable rawcolor gmcp mode
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, but I wasn't qualified to speak for more than that ;-)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are a few tags still in use. I would like to move away from that eventually. support my ideas post on the subject
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I wouldn't think rawcolor gmcp mode would have any impact on your other environment
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think it might
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: my understanding is that CMUD users tend to not use rawcolor mode
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I use it for a number of reasons, one of which is that it's actually less data
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's also easier to read
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You raise your eyebrow at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and causes less processing on the server end
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you use the rawcolor mode you still have to do something with it.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think my only possible response to that statement is "yes, obviously"
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I don't find @YG@yo@Yl@yd easier to read than Gold
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but in code you have escape sequences, not color
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I do?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if I capture to variable, it captures it styled, no escape sequences needed in my code
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so my question is: What do you gain, then?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Anaristos: I'm not sure I understand your question. Obviously you have to do something with gmcp data. But that's a given.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but I guess that's a difference between our clients...MUSH has that weird workaround just to echo back text with original styles
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient text styleruns are weird
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and make a lot of things kind of painful
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you are looking for how the mud is presenting the data, then rawcolor might work for you. But gmcp will  pass the color codes when appropriate. Though they are ansi not mud.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think I would use rawcolors rather than what the original capture script did with the styles
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the only time I am interested in colors is when dealing with inventory.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Anaristos muds in black and white.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no, I don't. But what do I care about stuff flowing from the mud that's not processable?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not processable?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: You've completely lost me, sorry.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: This conversation is in Bright Yellow :) So what?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so what?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: since all the tech savvy people are here - in mushclient, if i just want to access gmcp room data occassionally, would it be more efficient to do a getpluginvariable and get it from another plugin, or go through the whole onpluginbroadcast, loading into tables etc that's detailed on the wiki?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think he means that script-wise, he ignores color
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can't ignore color in scripts.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not for display scripts, but can for action scripts
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not even
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right again
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when you get a room name from the mud that has colors in it, I have to strip the colors out
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: otherwise those rooms aren't searchable
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just "ignoring colors" isn't viable
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: why, Fiendish? Why strip the color code?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Again, otherwise the rooms aren't searchable.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: do you type mapper find a @bdark @Bblue @wroom?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I do!
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, actually it would. But you are missing the point. Those are colors are part of the name. If it weren't then all room names would have color codes.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: anaristos doesn't use mushclient, so probably not :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Actually, I type mapper find %e[1;35mRed room%e[0m
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: gmcp sends color codes in room names when they are part of the name string.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it does for mobs too.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: correct, but those are most unwieldy to handle
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the weather rooms with colors in it are not a fluke, the ansi codes are part of the name.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: see, that's where rawcolors would be more difficult...I don't have to strip colors without using rawcolors, but would have to add code to strip if I used rawcolors
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right, because raw colors are "unnatural" :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if I capture {rname}(.*?) (or the gmcp variable), I can echo it back to myself and it'll display in full color...if I shove it into a comparison, sql statement, etc, it'll just be plain text
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: much nicer way to deal with the colors :-)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right, I keep my inventory data with the color sequence (though I also keep it with it stripped)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: another advantage of the color sequences is that you can display them anywhere that accept ansi. Not just your mud client.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "anywhere that accept ansi" is nowhere that I care about
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: be that as it may :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you certainly can't paste back to aardwolf in ansi
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: actually you can ;-)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: usefully?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: will it work?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: zmud has had that as a built-in feature as long as I can remember
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: why not? You are not actually pasting back to aardwolf, you are pasting back to your client. It does the displaying.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: zmud's feature is to copy ansi into aardwolf color codes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's not what I'm talking about
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tbh, what you're talking about doesn't matter
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, you can have it decode the aardwolf colors for you.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the USER, and the SCRIPTER, pastes ansi to the MUD
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they're not dealing with decodes or encodes, they're just pasting colorful captures, and it works
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: when you add aard color codes to  a string and send it to the mud, it echoes it back with ansi color codes.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's a feature built into zmud that actually does the conversion on copy, not on paste
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you won't get the right result by copying ansi escape sequences from somewhere else
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: when the string arrives from the mud, it already has the ansi codes in it.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you can have zmud translate outbound strings, though.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I thought we were talking about "anywhere that accepts ansi" the zmud input bar doesn't
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, what other text-based color code standard is there? Even xterm is an extension of ansi.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish smirks.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: html :-)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: iirc that's what mushclient's logs use
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I believe only as an option
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, html. But html gets mapped over to ansi since it is a descriptive language.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish snorts.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, it's optional if you want color
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not sure what you're calling "only a descriptive language". ansi escape sequences are "only descriptive"
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: go ahead and snort, but I bet you that all the program does is take the html color codes and generate ansi sequences.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the only way to have color logs from mushclient (without programming it yourself) is html
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, let me ask you this. How do you think that the html code is emitted?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: anywho, this went on a wild tangent from "hey, what will mushclient enable/disable on me?"
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: seriously
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ana, how many colors does ansi standard give? html gives more :-)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so no, html isn't just converting into ansi
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: absolutely. But look at the charts. Even the extra colors can be described using ansi.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, they can be described using not-ansi
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: for all questions of "why" just see https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/AardwolfColors#Why_do_you_use_both_the_American_and_British_spellings_of_%22
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if it's not 16 colors, it's not ansi
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, esc[x;y;zm is not standard ansi but it is ansi :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: including xterm
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, it's ansi-esque
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: using the same beginning/escape characters doesn't make it ansi...ansi just laid a good groundwork that could be built upon
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ansi color escape codes are a standard fixed set of sequences, not a generalized arbitrary color syntax
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, I'll have to look into that. You are saying that programs that interpret html colors send something directly to the graphics card and don't use any ansi-like intermediate sequences.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which is why xterm 256 is a thing at all
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why would a graphics card interpret text?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, xterm is way out there if you ask me :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: not text, color
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: colored text
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it sends to the rendering engine...your graphics cards don't use ansi
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: remember, graphics cards speak in 16.7 million colors...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: put THAT into ansi
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or more
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: could be 24 million
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: ascii stupid question, get a stupid ansi...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: kind of :P
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or is it 32 million
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jhav goes ooOOooOOoo at Ebullient Etzli.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: whatever
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I understand that. But that if you don't use a standard intermediate encoding you end up having 27M different rendering engines.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: more than your eye can resolve
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: 16*1024 colores.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: colors*
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: 16*1024*1024 colors
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not sure what you mean by rendering engine here.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that would start another argument, Fiendish. Eyes are analog, not digital.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: irrelevant
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: analog vs digital doesn't change how discrete they are(n't)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no it isn't. To say that the eye can't distinguish it is saying that the eye is digital.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it isn't
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: rendering engine is the code that actually gets the graphics card to display the color.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the eye can't distinguish something at a million DPI, but it's still analog
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: we don't know  that, Abe. That's the assumption because there is no way to actually measure what the eye does when it sees what it sees.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the ear can't hear the difference between 100.0000000000001 and 100.0000000000002 Hz, but it's still analog
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes we do, and yes there is
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no, it is still an assumption.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: based on some measurements, true. But maybe someday the measurements will improve. 
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: we have to assume that our measuring equipment is getting us the correct data. But the equipment was designed by making certain assumptions that can only be proven true, empirically.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you want to pretend that that's true, then I'll simply qualify it to say that "the human eye connected to the human brain cannot distinguish"...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: anyway :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, and I ask you to prove it.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: are all you guys married?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: ... um, is that a technical question?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: of course, we're hiding from our wives here
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: you argue like one polygamous married group.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and how would you know?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and I'd ask you to find a single human being that can point to the 1 pixel on a screen which is one red value higher than the rest of the screen ;-)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: we live in an era where our equipment is sufficiently precise and accurate such that we can measure time with drift of 1 second every 3.7 billion years. I prefer to not declare out of hand that our degrees of measurement are not yet good enough.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, I would probably not find one. But we already know that the eye as a minimum data range. So 1 pixel is not acceptable.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it absolutely is acceptable
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the eye is analog
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it can see infinitely-small differences
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or so you say
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: technically a pixel is analog
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: my pixels have blurry edges
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: every era says that, Fiendish. The current milieu always think that they have the holy grail of science.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you should get that looked at
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bring back the trinitron!
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: good tvs :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the limits of human organs are well enough studied that our current abilities to measure are very significantly good enough
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: good thing xyliz isn't here }:>
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and with all that knowledge they went for the crappy VHS and dumped BETA.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for consumer, yes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2003/jan/25/comment.comment
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and we used CDs instead of DATs
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right, but that' the same technology that claims that the eye can't discern.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nobody chose VHS because we thought that it was better technology
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we went VHS because it was more marketable
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right, it was just cheaper.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it wasn't scientists saying that there was nothing discernable
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it was consumers saying it's good enough
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: better in the ways that mattered to consumers
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not even in the same ballpark as this discussion
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: oh, I didn't mean that they were the same people :) But that's the kind of stuff they told the public so that they would swallow the crappy stuff.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Why does no one ever market anything past beta. We sometimes have an alpha, often a beta, but never a gamma, delta, epsilon, or zeta, etc
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, that's the kind of stuff the salesmen told the public
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: betamax, Salvana :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Salvanas I think that isn't true
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I remember using Microsoft Word 5.1h
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: all you had to do was watch the same move twice in succession using both formats.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think it's because of the incredible hulk
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: movie*
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we all learned how dangerous gamma rays were
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seriously, Salvanas would like to see a Thetamax, or Omicronmax.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish is satisfied with having Pepsi Max.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: never found out why Sony called it betamax :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Coke is better anyway.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no way! pepsi
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Pepsis wayy too sweet...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that's how I feel about coke :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that's why we are loved, we keep consumerism alive and well :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.thegreat80s.com/80s-Memories/Betamax.html
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: grain of salt
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: wow, that is stretching it into a urban legend :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seriously, Salvanas needs to look up the origins of that saying... grain of salt...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: are you stoned, Salvanas?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, I thnk VHS won partly because most consumers are unsophisticated. They'll buy anything that's shiny and cheap. Quality is not high on the list for the majority of buyers.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Um, no. Why on earth would you think that? :p
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seriously, Salvanas has never been stoned in his life. :P
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: VHS was the superior consumer product offering, among other things, significantly longer tapes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no argument, but the tradeoff was quality. Something it always has lacked.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: L33tM4st3r Lashan picks up a rock and checks its heft, speculatively.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: You worry about the "sophistication" of the consumer without knowing what that means in terms of perceptual quality.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I rather see 60 minutes of high quality video than 360 minutes of blurry images.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Ridiculous, of course I'd want the ugly block of plastic that works much more efficiently, who in their right mind would choose a flimsy copy tha ... ooh, look, shiny!
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it was patently obvious that vhs was of inferior quality. Anyone who has ever watch the beta format could see that. VHS came across as 2-dimentional, with lost of definition as you moved away from the center and washed out colors.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and it wasn't the display equipment, this was true for high end players, too.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "I rather see 60 minutes of high quality video than 360 minutes of" means you are out of touch with the desires of most of the world
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: it was the beta zealots that turned me off and encouraged me to go with vhs
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, zelots be damned if they have a good product. I mean you want to spite the mugger by shooting yourself in one foot, go ahead :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see: the rise of streaming video on the internet. "zomg bluray is soooo much better than netflix streaming!" wait, bluray costs how much per disc? oh. I see.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i have put my blu ray into storage
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Heh, I thought you said "blurry is so much better..."  ..... and i'm like, what are you on??
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seriously, Salvanas giggles.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You rapidly nod twice at Seriously, Salvanas, in complete agreement.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I read it that way as well...thought he was meaning something like youtube
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: gone back to my dvd player... loads faster.. is multi-region
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: fine, so that was my point, vhs was accepted because it was cheaper. So if you don't call quantity over quality "unsophisticated" then let me know what you call it.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Xaxz seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's a product that serves the interests of the consumer better
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they get more of what they actually want, e.g. larger tapes for recording more, for less
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which makes it a better product for them
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Sony: "you now havea java menus!", Customer.. waits over a minute for it to load...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: how, by giving them a crappy experience? The only ones that benefited where the people from JVS. 
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I watched kick ass on bluray...got right to the climax of the final fight and it cut out, and the disc looked pristine :P
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Methinks at that stage, it was a huge enough step up to have a format to easily record on, that qwuality wasn't as worth as much as price and volume.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that's what I call an unsophisticated consumer. A heap load of crap is better than a small amount of quality.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: smaller amount, rather.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: significantly smaller amount
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: But think back, when you went from ZERO recording capability, to either a small HQ recording, or a cheap format able to record 2-4 hourr, more on LP... 
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you want 4 hours or barely viewable media, that's fine, I suppose. You can use the imagination to fill in the missing visual stuff.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Barely viewable is exaggerating. We all survived on VHS video, and never complained. Heck, getting a decent picture on most TVs  wasn't that easy anyway...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I guess you never watched any movies other than at the theater from the 80s until you got a DVD player?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: don't be silly. anaristos was born in 1994
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i recorded so many nudie movies on vhs as a kid
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i saw enough
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I watch beta movies :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: not many of those
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: beta? so you could see nipples?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, so as I said, you didn't watch...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no, I was talking about movies where the actually read lines :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I watch Dune in beta :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: watched*
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I watch Dune in paperback
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: "they tried and died"
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, the movie was very close to the book :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, I guess it wasn't meant for all.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, you wouldn't lose anything from dune on vhs
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that cat milking scene is so crisp on blu-ray
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that's why they have mutant ninja turtles, to counteract the crappy serious science fiction that some authors dare publish :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i don't think anyone can top a mutant ninja turtle argument
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You kick WinkleWinkle in the head.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: What would Chuck Norris do?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Caramel Milkshake hugs you. 
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I wish Chuck Norris jokes were as good as Chuck Norris
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle is agreeing with that Mieko person again...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, he's 71 years old...wonder what'll happen to the world when he dies
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: the mean christianity of citizens will go down by like 1 whole factor of crazy?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think China will attack...I'm sure they're only holding back because they're scared of his retaliation
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( or of VHS? )
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: is there a way to disable the popup saying what line i'm on on mush? who cares?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there is, it's an option in prefs, don't ask me where though :P
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: yay, first quest on blowtorch! suxorz.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Hi guys I wrote a short tutorial on how to use your MUD client remotely on windows, for example use zmud or mushclient from a phone: http://duckbat.com/phone.html
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: your program doesn't work for me :(
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: What's the problem ?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: my isp sucks
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Ah doesn't allow open ports ?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nope
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: Anyone good with triggers on mush?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: somewhat
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cybertron looks around for someone to be friends with...Poor thing.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why has my ctrl+c stopped working? :(
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: You switched to a mac?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it was working a couple minutes ago, on the same computer :P
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which client.. because ctrl+c doesn't work in mush for me very much
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cmud
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You sure you weren't right-clicking and copying?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'm sure :P
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: does it work in other programs (e.g. notepad)?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: that used to happen to me myrkul
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: in cmud.  not sure why
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: just reloaded cmud and it worked fine after that
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hrm, it does :(
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, it's working now :(
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: you reload?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just the package editor, nod
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: why is it that when I delete a row from sqlite viewer and press post, then refresh, they're still there
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I have to delete them from cmud
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i dunno.. that makes no sense really
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: do sql rows have ids of some sort
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: They can, if that's the way the table's set up
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: right naturally mine won't have
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so how do I change a row column's value
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if I don't know which row it is
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: all rows shoudl have a 
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Tables should have some kind of primary key, or some set of values that make a row unique...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: all rows shoudl have a "primary key"
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which is an unique identifying value
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well I'm not sure how to see those
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's easier from sqlite
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: eq room id... or area short name, or item id number
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but the value is changed back to the old one
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Type ".schema <table_name>" in sqlite3, and that'll describe the table for you
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: If it's set up correctly, there will either be a primary key row, or a unique index
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I need to be able to do it from cmud
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: The first step is to identify what makes a row unique.  Once you've got that, then do what you need to from cmud.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well I'm not sure how to do that is what I'm saying
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I have a viewer only
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: do you have some way to look at your table? see all the columns and rows?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Your viewer doesn't have a query feature?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: what columns do you have?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I change the field, it reverts back to old ones
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: like 10
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: ...do you have to commit the change?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: when I click refresh
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: not sure, I click on post before
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: nods, you have to commit your changes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: before refresh
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Doesn't cmud have it's own database thing like zmud had ?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it does but it's bugged
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: long story short, due to some issue, Trez has to use sqlite instead of the built-in db
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Okay
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I already scripted it all for sql
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but now suddenly it won't record the changed values and irks me
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I need to do it from cmud, then it works
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: got edit/post/refresh/cancel only on top, no commit
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: could it be open by cmud and the sqlite viewer unable to change values
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That might be it... a second copy being read only...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Okay, so let me get this straight - you're using sqlite3, but you're not using the sqlite3 CLI or anything?  You're only accessing it through cmud?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I have a soft
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: called sqlite administrator
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it opens the table
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so I can see wtf is going on there
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: then I wanna change a value of a field
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yeah, that could be it - database could be locked by cmud.  That said, however, it should throw errors if it is...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: when I click refresh it reverts it
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is there a way to release it
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I used sqlclose
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: have you tried updating the field throw sql calls from cmud?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Ped, my viewer doesn't throw errors when changing stuff if the original is already locked by MUSH.. the changes just don't save.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: supergay
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Just gotta say, that's a crappy viewer..:-P
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: So it's likely you need to close CMUD, or at least get it to close the database before editing in your CLI
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I can close cmud and try maybe
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: lemme try
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Try it, yeah...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: doesn't work :(
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Use a different viewer?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: give me another name
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: db version is about 2.8
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Is it SQLite3 database?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's version 2.8.17
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: sqlite3.exe?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: come on give me some nice app
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: there are 200 apps I'm not sure what's good for this
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i user a firefox plugin
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: sqlite mamanger
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: sqlite3.exe?  From sqlite.org?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: can it be standalone
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: It's a CLI, but it'll work.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: sqlite.org there are 200 apps there
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i tried a few.. sqlite manager was the least buggy one i found
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: will try it but don't have firefox
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Trez, on the download page, look for the precompiled binary for your OS
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ataxia Tech: doesnt cost anything or screw much up to have it, and it takes scanners half the time to scan the pages than it does for IE
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I'm scared that it won't support my db version
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Scared?  Download it and see if it will open it.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Your computer isn't going to blow up..
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: CAREFUL IT MIGHT!
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: scared to waste my time with a wrong version
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: It's 300kb... hardly any time wasted.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: apf sqlite manager is paid
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and now it says my db is encrypted..
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: trez worng one ... http://code.google.com/p/sqlite-manager/
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: this one won't run w/o firefox tho
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yep.. bt it's the best free one i've found
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that is cross-playform
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and what statement should I use to change a field
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: update
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: okay
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: #call %sql(database,"UPDATE tablename SET field=asda WHERE field1=2279214") is that the syntax ?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I can't find primary key crap so I'm gonna use item keywords for where
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: looks good to me, if the field you're SETting is text, you'll want to put quotes around asda though
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and i'd use the item id, that's guaranteed to be unique
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it outputs that asda isn't a column
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: nod I'm using the unique id
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: did you use single quotes or double quotes?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: double and no quotes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you should use single quotes, it'll break your whole string if you use double quotes
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh good this works
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul smiles happily.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: seems like the sqlite viewer can add rows and then change/update them
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but it can't update the ones cmud added
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so gotta do it from cmud
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: strange
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody know why this command won't run?  find / \( -perm -4000 -fprintf ~/suid.txt %#m %u %p\n \), \( -size +100M -fprintf ~/big.txt %-10s %p\n \)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the shell reading the # as a comment?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech it says paths must precede expression %u
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i tried escaping the #
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's an example in the find man page, lol, so i figured it would work
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you still working on your cmud stuff, Trez?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i managed to root out some suid root programs at least, like this tcptraceroute, which i can run as root like nmap, or the cups password changing program, cause i removed cups so what's it for?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and found some files owned by no users on my machine in the gcc directories
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech i'm not sure exactly how a suid program can be exploited but i imagine it could be similar to setting the LD library path variable to a hacked copy of the runtime calls that the invoking user has set up, causing the effective user id to look in the user's library path for the function calls that elevate that users priviledges
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: A quick google gives http://linux.omnipotent.net/article.php?article_id=12286 which explains briefly the issues with running stuff suid, basically the principle is that the less you run as root the better.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so, for instance, if i have a user account here and i visit some strange website that knows of an exploit in my browser which could make tmy processes search path, look for a downloaded file in my home directory, and change environment variables to search for those runtime libraries in that directory, and then knew which files are probably setuid on my program - they could like cause that suid program to run using the home directory files they placed there as function calls, and cause a remote shell or something to be set up
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: something like that's what i figure is some implications of having suid programs on your system, accessible to normal users
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: btw, here's the "exploit" i sent to druzil yesterday: http://i.imgur.com/ibZQj.gif
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hah
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is the song good? no-> nu metal
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i was listening to electric wizard while checking the chart. worked like a charm
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: druzil, however, thought i'm an nsa agent trying to infiltrate his computer
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: where does megadeth fit into that?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i thought he'd appreciate it since he listens to way more metal than i do
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because I can understand dave mustaine
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: did you check the link today, druzil?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: nsa agent not, they're probably alot of cool people most of the time, it's the shady characters that i look for, since i am possibly vulnerable to things like i mentioned and not many people have probably been to the link, the possibility is there - although unlikely, you don't typically come off as a trustworthy person - like that telnet disconnect you sent me, how could you form a raw telnet packet to send to me through the server?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's some kind of bypass or administrative function
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i didn't have any core dump's listed in my log files
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but did you have no-ops in your log files?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: web browsers log alot even from youtube
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: my logging daemon seems to have went offline around 9:30 yesterday
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: like i said before - i just sent you the same link i pasted here today. no l33t h4x, just tried to be nice to you
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so it's possible somebody dug into the insecure system
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: build your own linux distro - security through obscurity
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Do as I do...use slackware...same obscurity effect these days :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's probably a cool distro, but getting use to the package manager and stuff would take alot of time probably
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: if anyone's bored, try to hack my debian vps: http://hyperion.juhe.ee
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: err, http:// was unnecessary
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: What package manager? *grin* Slackware's package management is rather sparse. Install from source, it's more fun.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'd rather go with gentoo then
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i never "got" slackware
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: slackware's the oldest distro i think
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: isn't it debian?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: gentoo sounds like a pretty barebones system though
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think debian is a little newer than slackware, but still is a veteran
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: gentoo is wonderful for learning
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: once you get your system installed you'll know /everything/ about it
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I think people often stick with their first love with linux distro, I started on slack in the days of installing from floppy disks. Have tried other distros but always seem to end up back with slack, something comfortable about it for me.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'd like to one day sit down with the POSIX standard and reference manuals for the C standard and <my processor asm directives> and build my own system from absolute scratch
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: then i wouldn't doubt that it's doing not what i want it to, so much
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what if the nsa reads your mind while you do it and steals your plans?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe they'll hire me then
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i guess you can go for a tinfoil hat or copper-mesh house
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's more likely that your coding mistakes will open you up to all sorts of attacks
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: If you're worried about security, might be worth a look at chkrootkit, a bit out of date but checks for a lot of nasty stuff. Not sure if there's anything better that anyone can recommend.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Step 1: Realize that you are not a security professional. Step 2: Defer to those who are.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: those might be the first steps toward a permanant vulnerability though
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it seems most security professionals admit that they learn something new every day
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: well, so does a rookie
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think i'm mostly ok though, no problem there
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: for the chkrootkit, there's alot of programs like that out there, but there's alot of ways those can be circumvented too
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: just discussing what could be the reason why suid and things could pose a problem, or how that problem is actually used
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: everybody has their own understanding
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Best way is to have something you trust on a cd distro, and boot that to check rather than checking on a live system. Stops a lot of potential hiding techniques.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i have another mahine i can scan this one from as well, i understand there's actually programs that listen for sequences of packets though, like you unlock a router by sending a cascade of packets to various closed or nonexistant ports, which is code for the router to open up to a connection
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i should download a copy of knoppix though, it's a good tool
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: slax is my fav live distro right now
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: The issue of trusting a router is why I run my own firewall box, rather than depending on the one on my adsl router. Not perfect, I guess but the only unhackable box is one that's in a locked room and not plugged into anything
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i just use tomatousb firmware
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Plus, you can't turn off wireless on my router and I've never felt comfortable trusting wireless
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: can't turn of wifi? what kind of junk is that?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: off even
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i wanted to try custom firmware for my router, from the openwrt project - but it's difficult to find documentation on how to use it and what is actually supported
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what's the model+
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i hav a di-604 , it's a little old ancient router
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: British Telecom junk...you can turn off wireless (if you try really hard like faking values to their config pages) but it just turns back on every time you unplug it
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it seems they use some kind of home-made processor until after that router, and that makes it difficult to use custom firmware for it
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: always buy your own router
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: wrap it in aluminum foil :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Buy your own????  I build my own!
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you is well hardcore
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: from scraps! in a cave!
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: With homemade circuit boards...
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm very happy with my buffalo whr-g54s
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: well i maintain a connection by humming sin waves on my phone
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Thinking about switching provider anyway, BT aren't much use, pretty low monthly usage cap...10 gig, expensive and their traffic shaping is a pain. I don't use bittorrent now for anything but getting new distro releases, but before midnight it gets traffic shaped to hell.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Wow you must have quite the range!
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the hard part is drinking water without dropping out
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir acks!
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no isp does throttling, packet shaping or bandwidth limits here
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and you can get 100mbps connection for 20 euros
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: You're lucky, most of them have caps here, and the big ones do traffic shaping
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: my isp seems to have its own traffic shaped by their provider
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: on bittorrent, I get about 1k per second before midnight, 100k or more after
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's all fine until i hit the bigpipe.net or other larger provider
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: whenever I hear someone quote a price in Euros, I think they're offering a number of citizens
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: in germany.. they do
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: ouch
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i've heard that many people still use dial up in the states
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: that's scary
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: my parents just changed over from dial up in Australia
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the US has a lot of empty space
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: probably not too many, if they have digital tv signals all over they probably have more high speed / dedicated lines than phone line users
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: phone lines should be perfectly good for dsl
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: uh...no
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Dagnir: Most rural places in the US use dial-up or satelite/dish internet.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: DSL is only viable within a very short distance of the local exchange
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: my brother was able to use his ipad here without a internet connection immediately apparent, which had downlod speeds damn near as fast as my computer
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie nods at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yes.. they give you the "your exchange needs to be upgraded" line
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: most rural places here get at least 2mbps cdma
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i wonder if that uses my antenna or how it does it
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Dagnir: Which country?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: estonia
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: we're a small country, so we can afford 100% coverage
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hell, we have high-speed internet on busses and trains. for free
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: some buses and trains here do too, but I wouldn't call it high speed
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: watching gps location in google maps is fun on a bullet train :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: do you know if they use cdma or 3g?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Dagnir: Estonia is 17,462 sq mi or 45,227 sq km.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "3g" is not a meaningful term
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, umts then
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i disagree.. it works for describing grandkids
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: your grandkids lag and drop out?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 3g is meaningful term here since the carriers actually have to meet certain criteria
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if i had any.. chances are they would
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Dagnir: You know that Estonia is twice the size of New Jersey. NJ = 47th in the US is size.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: err, actually, not umts but HSPA+. at least that's what they use here
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then cdma was not a useful ter
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, we call it "kuu"
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's a custom cdma implementation using nmt towers
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Is Seattle one of a few cities with city wi-fi?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: US wise.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I don't think "few" is a legitimate descriptor for that anymore.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: double xp always starts on the tick, right?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: no
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zopiclone Tech: no, but it ends on the tick
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: it always stops on a tick though
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: cmud is adding the  on every line there is
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the what?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: instead of only where  exists
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: %1
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh good
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: auto append works
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in regards to what?  Obviously it doesn't, so it's something related to your scripts
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what scripts
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's a simple alias, it adds the %1 to every line of the alias
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: just saw there's auto append option
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: turned it off, it stopped appending
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: script = any setting created in CMud.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: script to me is a series of aliases/triggers/etc
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what's your job, Ataxia
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: is there no way to set an alarm to fire on a certain day, in cmud?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: on a certain day?  Not inherent to the alarm pattern.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod :(
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you can do it on a specific time and then evaluate %time() for the date, though
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, that's what i'm doing
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I have vista 64-bit and am trying to view the help files for the aardmush client, I downloaded and installed the correct file from the microsoft support site and I get an error that says, 
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: cannot display this help file. Try opening the help file again, and if you still get this message, copy the help file to a different drive and try again.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I have no other drive, any idea how to fix this issue?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i use the online version of the help file
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if that helps
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I've got crappy internet and would rather not have to use that, but where can I get the link for that?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: under mush help menu
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: maybe try reinstalling the patch as admin?
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I could try that.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: vista is twitchy about needing admin rights for stuff
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: thanks for the advice, I'll try that if it doesn't work I'll figure it out latear
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: good luck
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: to be honest you might want to consider going win7 and emulating Mars that I know is stable. with Zmud at least.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: well I haven't the cash to upgrade ATM so thats outta the question :)
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: but thanks for the advice :) 
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: vista is stable enough and there shouldn't be any problems with mush on vista.. win 7 has the same problems with help files
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: just saying, vista what the least viable microserf products since... Umm, ME.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ME was pretty horrible :D
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: I know I spent 2 years getting plaideleon off of it :P
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarquil Tech: and I consider the umm gift of a 19 inch monitor a minor price to the process :P
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gawyn Tech: anyone use Bast's lower planes mobs plugin?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: i am but never been able to get it to work lol
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gawyn Tech: nod i was gonna ask what the syntax was to look for a mob
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: for lower plains i wrote the name of every mob over their pool in the mapper notes
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: anyone have a suggested mac client?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Tinyfugue
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: thanks!
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i answered this question an hour ago
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I think Mudlet has a mac port if you prefer a non-CLI client
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oladon always finds it amusing when people want a graphical client for a text-based game.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: well... it's more about having key bindings and helpful monitors etc I guess 
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yeah, well, seems silly to me, too - I've used tf for years...
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: any good client has keybindings.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: my apololgies.. it was gaitus who asked this an  hour ago... also consider musch client
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: check out this link http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/MacLinux
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: yeah but telnet doesnt haha
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Oladon snickers with Getsuko about their shared secret.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you can run full mush on a mac with wine
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i don't know why monitors ever went past EGA .. that' sgood enough for anyone
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: haha
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: "And the men who went to the moon, bless 'em, did it with a computer that had thirty-two kilobytes of RAM."
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: back in my day we had to eat mud and pretend we were talking with people in a multiperson dungeon
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: When I was growing up there was no electricity; we had to watch television by candlelight.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: lol
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: not  bicycle-powered?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: as anyone able to get the Mag plugin for mudlet to work?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I visited a nasa museum, I was shocked at the toggle switches in the space craft
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Then you better be sure not to notice the ferrite core memory.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: why was that shocking?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the most modern airframes to date still have toggles. It is a physical way to assure that circuit is closed or open. Electronic switches can give you false feedback.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and beneath the toggle it is still electronic.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I didn't see a steering wheel Anaristos, just toggle switches, I might of missed something, but imagine driving somewhere with toggle switches.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I don't think reentry really counts as 'driving'   :p
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: heh, the shuttle is a re-entry glider :)
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: hi guys, i'm trying to create triggers for blowtorch, and am stuck at what are replacements for * and %1 that i use for MUSH...
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: in other words, if i need to do something like "The * is closed.", "Open %1", what is it's equivent in blowtorch?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: equivalent*
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: if i play from a different computer than my normal computer will my stat tracker db get messed up? or is there some way to sync between computers?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: (mush)
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i run mush from drop box which i can access from different computers
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: where is that option?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Or you can run it off of a flashdrive.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: dropbox is a cloud storage service
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: oh thats a good idea
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: *shameless referral plug* http://db.tt/4XgxxVQ
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I think that clouds will be where most people will store their information in the next 10 to 20 years.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: when i am back to using my home computer will it be possible to resync it back to my desktop if i do this cloud thing?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mush settings are all stored in save state files in your mush folder
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: so just this dropbox.com?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The db file is what Vale is talking about.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: which is in the mush folder
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: unless you have weird settings
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: What is the pricing for Dropbox?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: 2gig free
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Just enough to hold MUSHclient.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: wow thats way more than i need mush is like 120 mb
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: this seems like it is exactly what i want thanks
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Do you need to update the files in dropbox?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's automatic
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but depending on your connection speed may take time to sync
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: hrm
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: so i just logged into mush from the copy i created in my dropbox folder
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: and i was getting startup errors saying unable to load plugin savestate file
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: and i can notice immediately that my spellup script is broken
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: nevermind
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: but the unable to load blah is that something i should be worried about?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i dunno, i've had it tell me it has errors saving but i've never had a problem yet
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: ok i guess just will give it a whirl and see how this works for my needs thanks
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: hrm does syncing generally take 3 hours?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: do you know why it would not have my mushclient.exe?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: has anyone on here downloaded the latest version of bast and had their spellup window end up being blank?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You, Kurojiryuu raises his hand.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: any fix?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: blank as in all black right?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: reopen mush
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: correct
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: ah, that did the trick, merci
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kailin Tech: is there a way to add "buttons" to a window with different commands? like the most used, inv, eq and so on, clickable by the mouse?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: what is joomla
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: it's a webhost backend
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: google would tell you...
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: ohh
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: its a free host?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I think so.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Drupal's a little better than Joomla though
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: it's free, but it's not a host :P
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Nods, it's a backend
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: http://www.joomla.org/about-joomla.html
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: found that in about 4 seconds on google, btw
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone own a iRobot Android 7' inch?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: an iRobot Android 7-foot Inch?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: (.{10}) matches 10 characters exactly, how to I make it match up to 10 characters? I tried (.{10}?) but it doesn't work.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: this is for lua.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Sweet. I think I found a bluetooth USB that supports Win 7 and a Wiimote for making a Smartboard!
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's regex, not lua...and (.{0,10})
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: oh, thanks myrkul!
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mad raider Wittle Tech: will android client work on blackberry
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: I don't think so?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: No, it's meant for droid phones, as far as I know.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: BB is a competitor...
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's an apk file, and blackberrys don't recognise that file format.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mad raider Wittle Tech: Yeah
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: send them an e-mail and ask them to consider implementing a mud client...
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mad raider Wittle Tech: send who :p
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the blackberry people :)
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: just tell them that they would increase sales because mudders would buy more of their phones :)
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mad raider Wittle Tech: there is one i just corrupted mine www.Bbssh.Org
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: lol i couldn't see effeciently mudding without a keyboard lol
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mad raider Wittle Tech: or just google it
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, we have a few android mudders here and the number is increasing.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You can use Duckbat's phone setup and connect to your computer using your smartphone.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: does that work well?
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: i can see it i have never tried it so i can't judge i just think it would be hard
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, a lot of phone mudders don't have a desktop :)
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it isn't easy.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I could not get it to work for my blackberry, but it is more than likely a port issue.
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mad raider Wittle Tech: me to at start
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sanare Tech: Hey I have a problem
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hmm?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: I'd say for your problem, read the manual that came with your laptop =D
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sanare Tech: My function keys are stuck on the shortcut mode, how do I change it?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sanare Tech: ... you tell me to ask on here, so you can say that? You're shitting me
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: I'm teaching you how to use the proper channels for the proper inquiry
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: and I don't even know your laptop model, so the keys could be different.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that IS a tech question
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: loo for your function swap button
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If all else fails, look for a miscrosoft logo'ed button, fn, or a little switch on the side
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: microsoft*
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Memethor Tech: function keys dont work sometimes if num locks is on
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Say what?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Memethor Tech: my function key on my old laptop wouldnt work if numlocks was on
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vagita Tech: it is true you know
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: anyone know approximately how much more SSDs cost compared to regular hard disks?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: interesting, i can't log in with the aard android app
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i got an Unknown Host: aardmug.org error
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: aardmug.org?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: thats what i see
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'd say that's your problem...
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: aardmud.org
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: and because it isn't blowtorch, i can'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's aardmud, not aardmug.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: and because it isn't blowtorch, i can't change the configurations
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: oh, aardmud, pardon the spelling error
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: it is aardmud.org that i can't connect to
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Are you using port 4000, 4010, or 23?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: port 7777 it seems.... if you trust the figure i see in the background behind the error message
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i see a "Attempting connection to: aardmud.org:7777
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: but it was working 10 mins earlier
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: ah, it's working again!
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Where can I find a direct link to download aard_miniwindow_z_order_monitor? Can't find one on the the Code.google.com page
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: BobTheGreat sighs.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Why do Fiendish and I live in opposite time zones?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: write him a note.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: no problem...just stay up 20 hours a day mudding and you are bound to catch him on at some point
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Maybe she lives in norway, where in winter they get about 3 hours of daytime?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Or is that norway
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: bob did you find fiendish's gogle code page ok?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, fiendish is a guy, and lives on the east coast of the US...and it's not winter in norway, since norway is in the northern hemisphere :P
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: is about the time of the midnight sun, isn't it?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not exactly sun
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but it's damn bright up here
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, that's what they call it :)
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hehe, the tourists can't sleep :P
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: more time for them to spend their money, I bet.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir . o O ( not that i could )
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I sleep during the day so I doubt it would bother me much.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, 10 years on 3rd shift, sun doesn't matter :-)
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: do you ever launch the wrong program, and then stare at it blankly as you try to figure out why you just launched gimp when you wanted to launch audacity, before remembering you q r
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: mis
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampthree Tech: is it possible to connect to aard through tor? i didnt find a tor helpfile ?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: On mush can the messages be cleared? My laptop is staring to be very slow
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: messages don't slow down the client
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampthree Tech: they do if you have weird fonts
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: I'll try restarting thrn
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if they're stored somewhere, the size of the storage vehicle matters.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You pat Dokkar on his head.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: anyone here know much about splitting uplink and downlinking by port instead of by entire interface, ? i'm wanting to set up seperate proxies for outgoing traffic than for incoming?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: so far i've been following a guide for ethernet bridging, but i want to split by port range
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: My double exp window doesnt want to work i reinstalled in twice
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: ugh. the basic archlinux install has no manpages nor xorg?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: my cmud sql alias just stopped working
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I'm not sure what's going on
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hello everyone
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: there's a var that is set
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: hi
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: set to a select
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: thread issues?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and isn't empty
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: then there's an if check
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: checks if ow.Item() is empty
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: isn't empty, I checked it outside
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and then there's a while (!ow.Eof())
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what is the if returning?  That it's empty?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well I dunno lemme add command
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well actually doesn't say it's not empty
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: just the while stopped working...
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: lemme try paste just the while
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: so where does the code get stuck?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I dunno
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: doesn't output anything...
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's stuck on the while I think
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: however the same while in the other alias works
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I dunno wtf is going on
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the other alias lists all rows
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Paste your alias to pastebin.com and see if someone can help after seeing the full thing?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I just pasted it basically
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: right I copied the content in another alias and it works now..
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Perhaps a typo?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: no
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's like there's another alias called the same
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and they got overlapped somehow
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that would indicate package corruption
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh sweet
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: should I back it up or it's too late
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: in there
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: export to xml, take a look at the xml if you feel like it (might be something incorrectly put together).
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh the same alias is in zmud
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: checking pages of text for a typo sounds unproductive
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you're looking for possible reasons why it stopped working.  If a simple export/import doesn't seem to fix things, you perhaps are exporting/importing the error that causes this to begin with.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: doesn't make it less futile
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: how do I remove a note in the mapper?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Edit note and leave blank?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: k
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: so can someone tell me if I'm voting correctly? I go to http://www.topmudsites.com/vote-Sirene.html and then I click the link that says vote for aardwolf mud and enter topmudsites. but I can't find any message that says thanks for your vote, or your vote has been submitted, or anything. am I making it harder than it is? lol
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: For me it just goes to the list of all the websites.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: right, like all the top muds etc? or...
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Exactly.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: right on. thanks. :)
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i get a 'vote for this site and enter'....
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kyriantha nods.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: so you click on that link and then it brings you to the list of top muds. it would be helpful if it would say something like your vote has been submitted.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i vote directly from my client, i have an alias for it :P
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Well... clicking kinda suggests that you're voting..
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: I suppose.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: any sort of level tracker in the bast package?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: recall which one it is, prolly obvisou, but anyways?
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: Ah okay I'll see what the client can do. Thank
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/StatMonitor
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: tks
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth beams a smile at a donkey.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth beams a smile at Doink.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: Hmm... it seems that the mud is explicitly sending the white colorcode for everything that's not listed in colorset
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's not
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: text is only colored when it needs to be any color other than the default.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: It's strange because the client (tintin++) prints in the 'default' color, yet all the help etc is white.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: oh, I see now what you're saying.  The helpfiles and other items must be getting explicitly colored that way.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: most likely because aard uses @w as a colorending code and most situations where this is used don't just go back to the last color but instead go to dim white.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: For the record, you can 'fix' the color issue in tintin++ using #substitute command :)
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: not completely
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: anyone know where i can find the file to fix this message? The file 'AardwolfPackageChanges.txt' appears to be missing or unreadable (this is bad), so the version check cannot proceed.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Download the zip of your version from the google page and move it to the right place?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: where should it be?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Top level MUSHClient folder
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: anyone know what would cause cmud to go into an infinite loop while updating a window, that persists even when cmud is killed through task manager
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you killed the wrong app
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i killed it 2 times through processes, i killed the right app
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: cmud has two processes, one is a tiny thing that does nothing but makes sure your copy of CMud is legal and checks for updates.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i killed the right one, and its the most recent version
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: then it's not CMud that's in an infinite loop.  You've basically got one COM call feeding another COM call.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if you killed CMud, then anything happening in CMud would instantly stop instead of continuing on past the kill.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i made a trigger for another mud it pulls info from a card, and updates a window it seems like it never stops updating the window
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: how are you updating the window?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: Is there any tintin++ mapper file available?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: #execwin windowname {#print hi} ... i removed the package and am now using an older version
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: probably not the problem then.  Nothing triggers on #print output.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: are there other windows in the session that might get updated with more general calls or use of the #ALL command?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: a trigger fired once the prompt was recieved #send populatewindow, then i triggered off that in a loop ... i think i just broke the loop, ima just rewrite it really quick
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hello
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone there
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Not a soul. :(
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: This channel is for us bots.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone can help me discover this IP 64.127.104.98 is from which website?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: youtube or facebook it could be?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: chatango
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: i know ,can know from which web site?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://chatango.com/
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Sneak rolls on the floor laughing at Ol' Dirty Fiendish's antics!
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because of what that website is for, the webpage that you were looking at which prompted your browser to visit it could have been anything or anywhere
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: EVEN INSIDE YOUR OWN HOUSE
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: how do I write a less than sign < in lua? when I do that bracket, it turns into an open html tag.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: That's your text editor messing with your brains, not LUA.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: but every other thing after that turns colour too =(
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Might try typing &lt
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: ah okay, thanks =D
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Yeah. Your text editor doesn't like LUA.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You, Kurojiryuu snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}You, Kurojiryuu Tech: well it is saved in a .xml format for the plugin..
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bitties Tech: is this a good place for cmud questions, or should i ask on the question channel?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bitties Tech: guess not hah
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: it is the tech channel....
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You ask on this channel. However, I do not use cMUD.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bitties Tech: does anyone use cmud mapper?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: nope, not me. I'm very happy with the one that came with the Aard mushclient
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ataxia Tech: nope i use the suggested client to play 
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: perhaps you can do something to port that over?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bitties Tech: mhm okie, thanks i'll look into it
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: here: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: Does anyone use tintin++ for automapping?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: I use the aardwolf mushclient for mapping :O
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Getsuko: Try Cheezburger or Abelinc.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: abelinc uses tf
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: abe uses tf, not tintin
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: Yeah I couldn't get that thing to compile on my mac, unfortunately
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what thing?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: TF
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is there really no prebuilt binary?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Getsuko Tech: not at tinyfugue.sourceforge.net
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: how would you create a rearm trigger?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: on the mush client
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast's plugins include one
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: dont have the version with that in it
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: It is called Aardwolf_Disarm.xml or Aardwolf_WeaponSwitch in the plugins.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: dont see it there
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sounds like a problem
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: go get the most recent version?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: It is in the new update of Bast's plugins. It is under the consider plugin.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/downloads/detail?name=bastmush.zip&can=2&q=
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: out of intrest,what does a spellup script do
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that a joke?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Autocasts your spellups when they wear off
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: or certain buff skills.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: scripts vary, they help with casting spellups in one way or another
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: and where would i get it,does that work on group members aswel?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: There's one in the bast plugins, has been for a long while. I don't think it automatically casts on group members but you can use it to spellup others
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: automatic casting on others would violate the rules
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Oh well, I was thinking of suggesting it as a nice new feature :) Doesn't matter much to me anyway, I'm antisocial so I don't group much
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: how do you install the plugin,new to clients
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: what client?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: mush client
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: file -> plugins, click add
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: file, plugins
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: then what?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Click 'Add' and select the plugin file you want to install
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I assume you've installed the files from the zip file you downloaded first, if not then see the comprehensive instructions on bast's site
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: "comprehensive instructions"?  are you kidding?  but I guess it's possible that I just never found this, because I found it difficult to get his stuff installed right
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: There's a page with screen shots and everything showing how to extract the zip to the right place
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: maybe I'll go look again...
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: uhm,what page?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/Installation
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: well i got weapon switch on
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: uhm,any way to see what a plugin does without adding it?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: open it up in notepad.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: that's only useful if you can read the code
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: you can try asking in here, but I've had spotty help that way
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: There's a lot of details on bast's site for all of them, click on 'Intro' from the main page, then clock on 'Bast's Plugins'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: I went to the one on brocast level.. I wanted to know what it did exactly.. and this is the desc  "this is a plugin that broadcasts info about level"
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: brocast
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: (*sigh*)  really?  gonna bother me about a typo?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: or just found it amusing?  (bro-cast?)
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I think the broadcast ones are most useful for other plugin developers, allows you to easily get the info for your own plugins
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: so if I want level "stuff" to actually display, I don't want that plugin?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: The stats plugins handle that, show level stats, quest stats and loads of other stuff. I don't use them, since I'm on a slow machine and it causes noticeable lag
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: oh ok, I don't care to see actually stat info (int.wis/dex/etc) so I didn't mess with that one.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: ok, installed the stats window, and so far its full of info I don't need.  We'll see what happnes next time I level.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: save time,if i update my client,all the plugins and new mini windows are installed,right?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Have you read anything on updating your client?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: no, upgrading the client is a bit of a PITA... the aasrdwolf site has instructions
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: uhm,no
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Then I suggest you read the aardwolf site on updating your client.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: it took me about 20 seconds to upgrade the client, did it do it wrong?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Probably. :P
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If you have personal aliases and whatnot, and you don't update properly, you'll lose them all.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If you have nothing personal to you on the client, then it shouldn't be a problem.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legend of Venomangel Tech: basicaly for me,all i can lose is the rooms that were mapped?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If you don't back up your mapper, I believe so.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Cera, not sure if you need the stats miniwin, but I'm pretty sure you'll need StatMonitor or you don't see the output.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: Not hard to backup mapper, just copy aardwolf.db file
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: I didn't lose anything, I think I updated it .. differently, it all works
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: ok, did that one too.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Copying the mapper is the easy bit, just one file, copying your alias etc is pretty simple too
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: nod
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Does a simple variable defined in Lua save over mushclient close/reopens?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: like DualWield = lyre
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: How can I make it save ?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no, you need to save it manually.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Save the world file?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: use setvariable/getvariable
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: save the plugin state
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: So GetVariable (DualWield) or something like that?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone know how to use RGBtoColourName()?
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: it keeps giving me a runtime error
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Where can I download the mapper plugin only?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: the internet
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: BobTheGreat gasps as he realizes what Mieko did.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: No really, I can't find a link to the .xml file... I feel dumb
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: finger bast?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: or is that the wrong plugin?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: wrong
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: if not bast, finger fiendish
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you don't download just the mapper plugin
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: So, do I have to download the whole mushclient again?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Because that's a pain in the ass, upgrading my client?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I hope you've learned to backup files from this :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the mapper is more than one file
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: I have several backups, none of which work
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: backups of what
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: ouch
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Mushclient. The whole folder
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and what doesn't work
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Only mapper.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what are you doing to it?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Nothing, just uninstalling and reinstalling, that usually works but not now
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there is no install or uninstall. i'm not sure what you mean
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Using file>plugins>remove
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: disable enable, remove and install
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: That's what I do and that usually fixes the problem, but now the problem recurs
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you still haven't said what the problem is
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Some value is nil... I just thought of dowloading the whole plugin again
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the mapper is more than just one file, and I won't support attempts to update only parts of the package piecemeal
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also "some value is nil" isn't much of an error report, though I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the problem has already been fixed
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: sorry, playing lasertag. I'll post the details on tech board.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: lasertag is addicting....
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: not if you lose every time :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Well, I dont :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: hehe I just got a trivia point for winning with a high score :D
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mieko smiles.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dynamo Tech: does mush come with a sound library? if not where's a good place to find sound effects for mush?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: does anyone have google+ invite to spare ?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Now that the gq is over, WinkleWinkle - how do you exclude in your spellup plugin?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: noauto 58
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: to exclude invis
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: for example... it toggles
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Thanks - it won't do inertial/prot good by default
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Any way to tie it into serverside forgetspell?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Keeps recasting prot evil :-(
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i jyst won that qg in my phone using search and destroy plugin... quite happy with that!
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it doesnt tie in... yet.. that could be a great way to do it vakieh!
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Seems to have some intermittent issues with afk/sleep also - I'm looking into exactly when, but for now I just 2min timer a call to serverside spellup
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Also nospell rooms, like cp room
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Doesn't loop or anything major, but it won't cast after moving out of the nospell room, or occasionally afk/sleep
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah cp room and no spells has not been resolved yet... i have to fix that... interestes on you afk findings
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I have no idea when/how just yet, I just know that if I hit spellup on the odd occasion, it shows a bunch of spells have been missed somewhere along the way
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: is there a way to make a ColourTell print a carraige return?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: other than putting print("") or Note("") after it
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An old Liwei Tech: as for mushclient, i linked a sound file to a trigger, and the mush used a absolute path: D:\ProgramFiles\MUSHclient\sounds\bell.wav to store the path, can i change it to a relative path, such as \sounds\bell.wav ? so that it would still work when I change computer.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Put the wav on the stick too?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Wait - you are, nvm
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Easy way to test, though
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: he tried already
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An old Liwei Tech: on the stick? I just browser the sound file and add it to a trigger
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Best way I know is to use a trigger script, and put the relative address in the script
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}An old Liwei Tech: ok, i see. thank you guys :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanaye Tech: Anyone here who knows about Android and certain ROMS
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: re: sound files and mush, if you put the file bell.wav in the sounds directory, you don't need to specify the path.. just the file name.. PlaySound(0, "answer.wav", false, 0, 0)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Will that work by direct trigger though, or does it need to be a script call?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, he is using it in the <trigger> part I think, so its sound=
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: sound="path"
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: in the example i jut copied from it was in a plugin, but im 90% sure that you don't need the path in a straight trigger
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Also WinkleWinkle Inertial Barrier is not being cast by your spellup at all :-(
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no, you need the path, if it is scripted.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: oh.. i see.. Hmmm.. i don't know about that.. always better to script it than use the pre-baked placeholders imo
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: is inertial barrier a recovery spell?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: nope
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: makes no sense then.. i'll talk with you on tell about it
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: it's a spellup, did you automatically block it if prot good is up?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: it was changed sometime back
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: Anyone know how to make ColourTell print a carraige return without using Note or print?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: \n work?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Anyone got any tips on how you tag your music if it's a collaborative album by two artists? 
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: I'm tossing up whether to keep it as "A and B" which is on the CD title, or put it in using a separator e.g., "A; B" ?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: has anyone used TriggerStyleRuns before?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: send me a tell please? =P
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the important thing is how you music player reads the artist names?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Just using it to have a digital copy, so not worried about portable players etc. 
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: I'm using MediaMonkey, which allows multiple entries in a field using ;
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: More for search and style reasons, whether I should keep one as "A and B" (which is on the cover), and the other as "A; B" (so I can search/sort via both artists)... and if so, which field should be which.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: Anybody know how to make a hard drive not bootable without wiping it? I removed the active bit but it still tries to boot and displays "invalid partition table." I've been either changing the boot order or unplugging as a workaround (yuck.)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: bleh - 11 min expiry :-(
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: mis
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vagita Tech: ftalk and tech can be confusing
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: not too sure here, but can't you do something in bios for that?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: There is but it sucks. I turn off USB to not boot the HDD, then I turn it back on to boot a flash drive, then I turn it back off.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: try here? http://www.technologyquestions.com/technology/windows-xp/15216-make-hd-unbootable.html
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: I saw that site already. It doesn't seem to apply. I don't have boot files on the HDD.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: oh well, i thought the fixboot bit would work
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: anyone know of a lite program to access mysql locally?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: those i found such as navicat etc all connect to a server. I have the .db file locally
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Sorry, I do only sqllite.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: well my db was created locally by a java program. i want to access the .db file. i dont think its mysql or rather specifically any kind
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it is specifically some kind
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Then you have really no idea _what_ kind it is? Good luck.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Suggest trying with the Unix "file" command.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try opening it in a text editor
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: look at the first few chars
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: aww thanks. its sqlite.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: generally if it's a direct file it'd be either access .mdb or it'll be sqlite...mysql and mssql are geared for access through the server
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: what was the shortcut in mush to test a trigger?  its a popup window with a "run" button
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: immediate?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: ctrl alt f12?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: menu -> game -> test trigger and it shows what Kurojiryuu said
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i use control-shift-f12
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: ctrl shift f12
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: sorry wrong key
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: i dunno, what the shortcut for that and I'.... ok
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: no its not f12
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: thats debug
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, thats for testing triggers.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You could just use the "echo" command...
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: echo works for one line only?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that'd work too
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: got bast's plugins working, anyone know who to get the level report sent to a channel (like grouptalk) instead of nowhere... it scrolls away and I cannot see it.  or just to the caht mini window like INFO...
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: who = how   and caht = chat
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Why doesn't my double window/broadcaster work? It installed and everything but it doesn't show on my screen
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Is there a Double: 2m in your minitab window?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: No miniwindow here
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Cybertron: Are you using Bast's plugins?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Yes
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Do you have the minitab added?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Yes
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Do you have miniwin_double.xml loaded?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I have events and quest showing nothing else
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Yes
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: miniwin_double.xml is loaded
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It's probably behind another window
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I checked, it's not
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: No, the miniwin_tabwin should have Settings, Show Windows, and Hide Windows as a basic setup without any other windows loaded. If you do not have that, then you need to load it.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I loaded events, quest, double, GQ, cp.. All of them except double shows
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Double will not show unless a double is going on.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I know but it doesn't
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Doesn't?  Or didn't?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: my mapper keeps spitting out a run-time error
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: seems to be related to the db
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: any suggestions?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: what version of the aardmush package are you using?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what is the original error?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: newest. just downloaded it today
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: pastebin the error
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: and send it to fiendish =P
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ha!
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: i'm also getting sql errors when i try to adjust the window or keypad settings... seems like the sql db is being locked for some reason?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: usually pastebin the error would give us more to work with =D
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: restart mush.. see if it continues
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: http://pastebin.com/t5EXmYkm
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: that's the first thing I tried, winkle.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no, that's the mapper one, what about the shifting windows one?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: SQL error on statement: "SELECT value FROM worlds WHERE name = 'Aardwolf:Bottom Height'" database is locked
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: that one, send it to fiendish =D
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: over and over and over
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: does it tell you more lines?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah that one is beyond us..  try deleting the files inyour state folder in worlds\plugins
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: for which one, kuro? the sql or the runtime?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: send me all errors
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you have any other plugin active trying to access the database?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: there you go =P
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: i have only the default package.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: i'm playing on the client as-is after unzipping.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: anything funny going on in your computer?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the lock protocol error happens if some other process is messing with file locks and has violated the file locking protocol that SQLite uses on its rollback journal files
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: not really. it is an imaged workstation with a roaming profile, but that shouldn't really effect it.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: this was all working perfectly last week, which is the confusing part
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does the locking protocol error always happen on the same line? or is it random?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: one sec, i'll test
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: both of your errors are the same problem, btw
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: yeah, i figured.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you say it was working fine last week?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: it doesn't always explode, either... it seems like it kind of happens randomly
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: ie. i can't get it to break now
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well keep trying. but in the meantime, you updated recently? what version were you using before?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: i was using the version from the main site before, and when that started breaking i updated as per the popup
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: there we go. it broke on the same line this time
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is there more to the other message that you didn't pastebin?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: no, it's just that over and over, but with different parameter names, depending on what i'm trying to change.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: show me other examples?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: i don't have any now, as i just restarted, but i'll try to break that again, too
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: btw, the entire runtime error was exactly the same as the one i pastebinned
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ok
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's inside the mapper script, but the other one isn't and I'm trying to locate where it is
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "SQL error on statement: "SELECT value FROM worlds ..." is actually from MUSHclient itself, which means that the problem may be with your system rather than the plugin
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: i suspect that is the case.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Could it be where it is being run?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know. It seems unlikely if it doesn't always happen.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: it's possible, turie. the permissions are weird with the roaming profile stuff.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try moving it to a different directory with softer permissions, I guess
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: maybe it's just a sign that i shouldn't be mudding at work, haha.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what we're looking at right here is two completely different databases both suddenly locking out
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the mapper database and the mushclient preferences database
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: i see.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: so it likely has nothing to do with the client, and everything to do with the system.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the related bit is that they both use sqlite, but I haven't seen the sqlite engine itself do something like that before
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: yeah, and i don't beleive any of our systems use sql at all, so there shouldn't be any sort of conflict.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: i'll try moving the installation around a bit... seems like permissions are probably at fault here.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what do you do to cause the error?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just start up mush and then try to move things?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: essentially, yes.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: but it doesn't always happen, just as with the map crash
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: http://pastebin.com/BuVByB82
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: so far, it has happened when i try to resize the main window or set keypad preferences
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: and has also happened when i try to close the program and it tries to automatically save those settings
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huh
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: it's not like the client becomes inoperable after any of this either
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: i can still use the ascii map, the graphical one just doesn't move
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: and my key bindings still work, i just can't change them until i restart.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what happens if you do ctrl+s?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Creighton: Make sure the folder with the client and all subfolders can be fully accessed by the user mudding..
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess the next thing to do is try restarting your computer
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Nope the double window is nowhere to be found. I reinstalled it then it sent thousands of errors so i reinstalled mush then it kicked me out. I reinstalled everything on my laptop after it told me i can't play aard
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: ctrl+s seems to do nothing.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: candalar it should be, but i'm installing in a different directory now to see if that helps
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suppose maybe your system didn't clean up properly at some point and there's maybe a zombie process still holding a lock to the files
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: restarting would fix that
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Ok.. I know I had some issues with my mush which were fixed after giving myself full permissions..
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar is agreeing with that Ol' Dirty Fiendish person again...
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Sorry to jump in, but my Bast stat window is giving me mini-seizures... getting a runtime error on OnPluginBroadcast - any ideas?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: ,is using an old version of the Bast mush, so can't help you there, Vakieh..
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: have you reloaded the plugin that gives you the error?  If so, please copy the error to pastebin.com
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I'm using v6/1 bast, back to problem one, now all the plugins give me errors again, i think the problem is broadcast_double
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: v6.1*
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: well, i can't exactly restart right now, as i'm using the computer for work
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'll do a reinstall, as I updated MUSH over the top of the plugins, so it could be that, but ever since I started using the statdb part of it, it keeps failing :-( http://pastebin.com/vnj6E7nv
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: but i could try that when i take lunch
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar chuckles politely.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Is there any other plugins and cheap clients?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That comes up on a reinstall, no matter what order I reinstall statdb/miniwin_stat, restart MUSH, disable one, the other, no matter what
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Because I am being spammed yet again, brb
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Couldn't find the character db file statdb uses though :-(
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Vakieh: that bug will be fixed in the next release, if you want to fix it now, edit the stats.db file with a sqlite editor and look for the cp that doesn't have a zero for the tp and change it to zero.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is in the logs dir in your mushclient directory
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: now my map isn't working :(
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh dear god - is wasn't me?!?!? Excellent - I assume sql-lite is a free something-something that Google will fix me up on?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar nods.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you use firefox, there is a great firefox extension for editing sqlite dbs
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Indeed I do :-)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: How can i show the error messages i get?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: copy them to pastebin.com
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Whip open pastebin, copy, paste, post
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Okay i put it pastebin how do i send it and to who?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: copy the url and just tech it
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: the errors are like 30 lines and in white and orange. Can i post it on tech?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, you hit submit on pastebin.com and it will give you a url, you put the url on the tech channel
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Quick sqlite manager/statdb q - can they both access the file simultaneously? i.e. can I use sqlite manager to observe the statdb changes as they happen?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Second q - does the statdb plugin load the db file to memory, or by updating the saved file have I changed the currently used db?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Where do i see the irl.. Or did i need to put in a title?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Have you hit post?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: 1) I don't know, I just go in real fast and edit what I need and then save the db - 2) when you save the DB, reload miniwin_stats and it should be fine
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ok, fixed the tp field which was null - no good.  A few other fields in that entry are null also - is this normal, or is it a corrupted entry which needs purging?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Answered my own q - level taken is -1, and if the time is milliseconds from epoch I was apparently mudding in 1970 :-) DELETED
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: pastebin  |  #1 paste tool since 2002 is this the right place?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: yeah...
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, paste the error into the big text box, then hit submit, the url will be the one in your url bar, which you can then copy/paste to the tech channel
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: http://pastebin.com/qrBrQSaa
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: All the errors are similar to that one
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I tried upgrading but it still gives those errors
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: so, i found out that where i had the client installed is really a network drive masquerading as a local drive. moved it to an actual local drive, and i haven't had any problem yet.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Creighton Tech: thanks for all your time and help, tech channel!
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Cybertron: if you are getting that error, then you don't have them installed correctly, the Bast folder should be under plugins and there should be a bastmushchanges.txt file in that folder
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Have you reinstalled the plugins since you upgraded or moved things around - looks like a simple 'Where's my file?' error
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I put mush and bast under one folder
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you didn't put bast under the worlds/plugins folder, then you didn't follow directions, it must be under the worlds/plugins folder
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: creighton: cool!
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Done
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Now it says unable to open or read
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Does the stat window wait on some mud response to load up?  Just took it a good 30 seconds from reinstall to display - usually takes a microsecond if that
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it has to see a gmcp char of some kind, I usually just do worth after i reinstall it
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: okay one sec
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: now you are going to have to restart mushclient, you will get a bunch of errors, then you will have to do File->Plugins->Add and readd the ones you were using
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh good, I was waiting on a runtime error :-)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Cybertron: now you are going to have to restart mushclient, you will get a bunch of errors, then you will have to do File->Plugins->Add and readd the ones you were using
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ok 2 final qs (hopefully) Will the statdb be able to cope with my current partially completed cp? Or will I need to dive into the db again once I complete it? Secondly, is there a new version of the quest plugin which handles loading with an open quest as yet?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Vakieh: hopefully??? ;) and yes, anything over release 1400 should handle it, are you seeing problems?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yeah - rare, but needs a full reboot when I do - generally only when I'm debugging something else mid quest - where do I pull a version # from?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: "plugins help text"
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: hmmm. v 1429
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you can reproduce it, put in an issue at my website with the details
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: thank you Bast
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Cybertron: no problem, got them working?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: No-more errors. So glad :))
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: If i upgrade, will it reset my mapper?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ok, will do - I should probably also let you know that your spellup plugin flags my clan skill as a bad spell - not sure if there's a way around that or not
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: And cyber, the mapper data is in the two mapper db files, not plugins
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Cybertron: if you upgrade the Aardwolf Client, then it could, there are directions on how to save things.  If you update my plugins, then no.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's become 1 db file now
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: in the latest versions
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Whoops - I copied both :-)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you want to copy both.. it will condense them down to one file.. that's ok
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: They keep giving me pop ups to upgrade mush
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Probably a reason for that :-)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: popups to upgrade mush are because you asked to be notified of updates. popups to upgrade bast's stuff are because he's a jerk :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu rolls on the floor laughing at Ol' Dirty Fiendish's antics!
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hehe
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: ...sigh... So why do you want this 30 inch pc monitor? Too many plugins...
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Hey, what can I say, I like to force upgrades on people!
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Bast = Microsoft!
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Better than M$ silent upgrades...
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: How's the longer-than-2-seconds coming btw Fiendish?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Okay thanks now i even see the double window
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Sory but what's that moonbot window?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: hey guys.  so since upgrading to the newest mush version 4.75 whenever I open mushclient it doesn't connect to aard automatically.  if I hit enter and then it will say something like there is no connection to aardwolf, would you like to reconnect? then I click yes and it connects. but before it would connect automatically and all I had to do was input my char name and password. does anyone have any idea why that's changed and how to fix it? :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sounds like the Aardwolf_new_connection plugin has been removed
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Cybertron: it will show you when the 3 moons are in the sky at the same time and where they are currently
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Happens to me too - doesn't autoconnect - I put it down to waiting for the update checker
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: ahh.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: i have DSL here.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: put that plugin back and you'll connect automatically
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: mis
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: ok thanks
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Okay thanks everything is working now thanks Bast :) Thank you for the help everyone :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: that was it. thanks so much. :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Bast that autoquaffer, When will it quaff?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it isn't an autoquaffer, you have to use macros
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Just so you know Bast, handled the partial cp without issue :-)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: vakieh: what if I add something like 'mapper cexit force <blah> from <uid> to <uid>' that doesn't need to run the exit commands because it already has the destination id?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'd like that functionality
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That would work, but I'd prefer a setdelay # function
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: In case of screwups on my part
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: set delay would also work for me... knossis speedwalk takes 7 seconds to exexute
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, knossos can be done with the normal 2 seconds
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I can do it, at least =P
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: My personal beef is Land of Legend, though I'm sure there are others
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: land of legend? what, you mean the crash?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: fiendish actually it would be better to implement a wait function I think
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe next
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if it's possible
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: this first
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The last 3 connections, crash and 2 of the lands take longer than 2 seconds :-(
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: plus genie in, sandcastle I think
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: Vakieh, land of legends can be done in 2 seconds too, are you starting from the ticket booth? Only the crash and genie cannot be saved so far.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: for me anyway
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: MY knossis speedwalk.. runs you through all the shops, buy all the stuff and gets you inside the castle.. it takes about 7 seconds on my machine
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: 2 seconds covers the day to day open north;north stuff, maybe even just have the setdelay only work for the next cexit you do?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm, interesting thought
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: To avoid more accidental moves mid-check
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: As 4am me is prone to do :-)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so is just changing the delay more ideal than allowing any arbitrary command string?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: My vote says yes
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: technically they would be the same.. delay would be safer maybe.. force might let you do some things that you might not be able to do with only a delay
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: bc for me ideal is easier, less break in the flow
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I would think confirming that the cexit worked before executing the other commands to runto that area would be better, like the genie thing
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: genie?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There's a sluggish mobprog in sandcastle
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, like say genie as a cexit
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah i hacked teh timout in the plugin for genie
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not about to require confirmation of cexits :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: you have to wait for more than 2 seconds, so the cexit fails.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: confirmation as in what happens now - checks for success/failure
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, that kind of confirmation, that the cexit fired and you moved into the proper room for the cexit
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: temporarily, there is a seconds value you can change until fiendish codes in his solution
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: her?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: her
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: any cexit requiring a delay due to a mobprog I would expect to fail anyway
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It enforces a delay, not requires
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The delay is between command->move
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huh
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: can you still stack commands?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yup
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: interesting
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: where is this?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, like if you do say genie as an exit, then it should be say genie->delay->run blahblah
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I can't use that feature my F1-F12 buttons have things on them like volume, resolution, play, pause, etc.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow at Nicole's Cybertron's weird actions.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: cybertron, you need to tick f1-f6 as macros somewhere.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I'm assuming you're trying to macro them.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Hmmm. idk if move commands would parse before or after the move - I just throw in a couple of spells to simulate a delay myself
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Okay
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ#Can_I_disable_F1_as_being_the_program_help_macro?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: in Sho'aram, btw
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: No place to tick, how do i stop F1-F6 from doing pc settings?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, did you even look at the url pasted?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: His problem is that his keys are automapped to the hardware functions, such as Brightness settings, display stuff.  there should be a setting in your OS somewhere to disable it, but I don't really know how to fix it.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: he should have a Fn key on his keyboard
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: More often than not a function key on the kb, or side button if a laptop
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: function keys are never permanently mapped
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: And probably a function lock key
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: yeah, my keyboard is gay like that, the fkeys don't work unless you press the fn key
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: no way to change it as far as I could tell
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: whether you need to press the Fn key or not press the Fn key is usually a toggle in the system
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but the key should be there either way
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: yeah, but I couldn't find where you toggled it, and I searched quite a bit :/
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: doesn't matter
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Can be the keyboard, if it's an MS office style one
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: On my thinkpad I press the Fn key to get, for example, brightness up. On my girlfriend's macbook, I press the Fn key if I want to NOT get brightness up.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: yeah, mine is like the latter example
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Lappy or desktop?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: laptop
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: depends
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: do you need mobility?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You're on your own then :-( They like to hide settings on those...
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: iirc it's a pretty easy setting to find on a mac
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: yeah, I gave up on that crap :/
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: on a thinkpad I think you need some special utility
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Okay F1-F6 have been marked as macros
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: That won't help though need to get those settings off for display and brightness
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Have you been listening to us???
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Does anyone know where to remove them?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: yes i have
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I was busy on that URL
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: find the Fn key on your keyboard
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Got it. At the bottom
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use it
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Imagine it's screaming HIT ME!!!
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I press it but nothing happens
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hold down Fn when pressing F-keys
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hmmm. What's our Vector is aiming his Gunblade right at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Worked thanks everyone :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: was gonna put you out of your misery :P
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Say now you in battle and spam a skill will it still work immediately?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: The macro
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Autoquaff
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The command is instant if it's a macro - what the mud does with it is another story
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, if you spam a skill, then all the spam has to go through first
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dr Jek Tech: which is why you don't wanna spam
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Okay thanks :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Restarting windows after exceeding permitted number of modem accessibility error..... Anyone know how to fix this?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: format /y c:\ from the command line.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A bright, shiny gold halo appears over Ebullient Etzli's head.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Lol i'm serious
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So was I.  That'd solve your problem... :P
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Done
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: (The bonus side effect would be solving everyone else's problem, too!)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Lets see how it goes :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hmmm... if you did, my apologies...
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Went to format and twidled some settings
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: I'm a fast typer :P
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Error isn't fixed :(
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli shrugs in response to Nicole's Cybertron's question.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone know a lot about creating a miniwindow? I'm just starting out =P
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: In what client?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: in MUSHclient
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I'm wondering how to make a line of text different colours
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: as much as you'll hate this comment Kur...   have you thought about getting a 12" monitor
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Lol you use Mush too... Weird
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: <--- laptop
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I have a 24" monitor at home.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: how is that weird? there's 146 people online using mush right now...
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Most of them using the Aard variant.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doroga Tech: anyone have the syntax for a remort auction alert? I know it starts with "Remort Auction: PlayerName is selling " and I didn't pay attention to the rest
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: rauc -h
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doroga Tech: ... don't mind me... derp
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doroga Tech: And, thank you. Sorry, forgot to mention that.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul gallantly tips his hat.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doroga Tech: Is it possible to #T+ / #T- a status bar in cmud from a module other than the module containing the status bar?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Should be.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's possible, but generally not recommended
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: #T+ "//module/class/name"
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you can enable/disable any setting.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: modules are meant to be self-contained
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: a package is meant to be self-contained
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, but global modules are transparent.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and packages are supermodules :)
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: from the documentation: A Module can also set which other packages are visible to the scripts within the Module. By default, all other packages are disabled for a module, so a module is completely self-contained. 
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: my packages dont like me they keep enabling for other things i dont want them too
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: not arguing against you, Myrkul.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: didn't say you were :P
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and yes, i have that problem too, hadar :(
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: are you keeping track of what's enabled for the package?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i have a package ... automap which should only have hadarcommon enabled for it, i disable all but that, and it ends up reenabling after restart of cmud
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the only thing I have problem disabling is the url function. It doesn't seem to care whether it's enabled or disabled. It is always active.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: how do you enable/disable a function?
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: try saving the package immediately after you disable the feature.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: a built-in function, that is, not a user-defined one
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: tried that does not help
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: there seems to be a problem with the settings xml being updated correctly, I've found. Maybe you should make sure that the xml reflects the settings properly before you save it.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that's what gets saved to the package database
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: it only bothers me when i run because some other scripts seem to update my automap window, its meh i could care less my internet connection is not good enough to play, i just had a quest in beer goblins that took over 2 min so .... no playing for now
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: as last resort you can update the database directly...
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone have knowledge about making miniwindows? I'm stuck at some part =P
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newblood WinkleWinkle Tech: not yet.. but it's good to know i can ask you wheni get aroudn to it
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu laffs.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: miniwindows are damn confusing, I'm doing a basic one =P
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Possibly best asked on the MUSH forums to access more plugin writers?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: true
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: easier to do it here first though, since talking to someone live is better =P
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Always
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newblood WinkleWinkle Tech: plus we're cooler
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Little Alhena Tech: Quick CMUD question, any one knows why a status bar won't update the variable it holds automatically ?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I would guess because you have more than one variable with that name.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Little Alhena Tech: nope, checked that - had to #UPDATE the status bar
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you have xxxx@variable and you change the value of variable, thee bar should update automatically.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but reading the help file I can see how what you did would work :)
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I need a good deodorant for my laptop, any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nicole's Cybertron Tech: Axe Excite?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Krypteria Tech: how do i enable Zip to compress aardwolf on my mxit?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: anyone know why my miniwin events would just be a black square even after a reinstall?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: events is a wrapper for some other plugins iirc - do you have the xbroadcast plugins loaded?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: yes i did
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: it was working fine 30 minutes ago
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: and then i came back for my quest this tme and its broken
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: have you tried cp check? 
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It renews the cp data in the events window
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: not yet but it does nothing
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: i dont have a cp
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: but it didn't show anything during my quest
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: go request one and see?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: i can't
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Type 'plugins help text' and see the version number
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: i.e. Bastmush Version     : 1429
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: 1429
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: anyway completely closing mush and restarting fixed...but not just reinstalling plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That's the latest. Hmm...
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: that is bizarre imo
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh - probably a runtime error - Bast plugins seem to be unrecoverable without a MUSH reboot when they happemn
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: happen*
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You probably have a block of orange text somewhere while you were away - that may have more info on why it happened in the first place
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SilentSatan Tech: does anyone know how to enter the portal at song
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: How is that a tech question?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SilentSatan Tech: eh?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SilentSatan Tech: what is a tech question?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You asked a question about entering Song Palace on tech channel...
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SilentSatan Tech: i don't understand...
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: what we're saying is, the Tech channel is the wrong place to ask that question
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The first rule of missesis you don't talk about misses...
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Want Some Betrayal Tech: anyone here familiar with dlookup
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: No, what's that?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Want Some Betrayal Tech: access 2010 vba
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Oh, Access. Wouldn't prod that with a mile long pole.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: anyone use the bitcoins?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nobody actually uses bitcoins. bitcoins are only barely liquid.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody here installed the openbsd ports/src/xenocara/sys files and managed to figure out their cvs instructions?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I guess it's more likely to get generic CVS help...
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i got the src tree updated but realized later that the command updated it to current which doesn't work
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: should just need cvs up
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, cvs is a system for programmers to work on a project
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: .. NOT.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all I use to update my NetBSD pkgsrc (same core as OpenBSD ports) is cvs up
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they have a -rOPENBSD_4_6 type of switch that i didn't append to the command
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i maybe have to download the sources again if i can't patch the overpatch
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you follow current, you're broken if you try to apply it to stable which is differently updated from current but is the patched versions of release
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: make somebody dizzy, i just want a firefox browser that doesn't give you a root account
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html i installed the source trees like they say from the ftp server, set my CVSROOT to a mirror, then realized the 'You MUST..' deal at the end, which caused me to type the command in verbatim
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: which is with the example cvs -d anoncvsnoncvs.ca.openbsd.org:/cvs -q up -Pd , and not cvs -q up -rOPENBSD_4_9 -P -d anoncvsnoncvs.ca.openbsd.org:/cvs
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so by default i guess they apply the -current source and i need the patched release source
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: is it possible to do that command now that i did the previous one?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: would it remove the -current additions and apply the -rOPENBSD4_9?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'll complain if it can't work right, so go ahead and try ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol, nod
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: worst case, you need to do a checkout of the release you want
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe it'd be easier but more bandwidth hogging if i just delete all the source trees and check them out
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm not keen on becoming a master cvs h4x0r at the moment
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: If you're just keeping a pristine tree and updating, cvsup will be _way_ less chatty on the network than cvs...
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, that's all i wanted to use it for, they don't release -release binaries for things like the recent debian patch of iceweasel
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if i notice a program i use and a security vulnerability that would only be patched through their ports tree or -stable tree, or manually downloading the files myself
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's a good system, nice and barebones and all the processes and open files fit on a terminal screen by default, very little tweaking neccessary - but that there makes it alot more difficult imo
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it'd be cool if they could have a stable binary server too in addition to their release binary tree, where people can upgrade things without the confusion
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: -
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sanare Tech: How do I assign commands to my function keys? For spells
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: That'd be a macro
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sanare Tech: But whenever I try an F1 key macro it pops up
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sanare Tech: "failed to launch help"
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: What client?  MUSHclient?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sanare Tech: Yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ#Can_I_disable_F1_as_being_the_program_help_macro?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sanare Tech: Thanks man
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doroga Tech: Anyone have CMud working in Wine? I tried VMFusion in Unity mode but there's too many issues with it.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doroga Tech: On OSX, that is.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nebmaatre Tech: has anyone had any luck using Duckbat's proxy program through wine on osx?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: hey how do i make mccp work on mushclient 
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's automaticaly on.. unless you turned it off
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: when you do a quest.. if you get 2qp 'MCCP bonus' then it's on
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: but it says i will receive 2 qp and i don't only sometimes i do
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: like 1 out of 8 quests
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: typing MCCP will also tell you if it's on or not
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: also.. type "protocol" .. is mccp on?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: nop
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: how do i turn it on?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: do you change clients a lot.. like regular telnet and then mush
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: at work i use mushclient and at home i  use jaba
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if jaba doesn't support mccp then that might be your problem
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: ok but at work i don't get the bonus either
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: mushclient doesn't either?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: mushclient definately does
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lulz Tech: I use MUSHclient and get the bonus every time, so I can confirm that, at least.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: me too.. there is a setting in mushclient to turn it off
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: yeah now it's on 
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: just logged on mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: so your other client diesn't support mccp?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: i guess jaba doesn't
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: thanks for the info
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you do realise you asked this question "hey how do i make mccp work on mushclient "
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: while running on jaba
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: yeah forgot what client i was on
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: Aard needs more players with this level of dedication, Winkle.  Play nice.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: sorry :) i'll be nice
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: does anyone know how i can make it so there isnt a gap betweeen the top of my mushclient and the top of my screen? like im maximized, fullscreen, everything
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: and this is a new thing, since ive upgraded
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: you can't drag and move the windows?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: drag frop the top btw
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: the plugins, sure...but not the mushclient screen
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: from*
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: no i cant do that >.<
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: its maximized
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, if something is maximised it should take up all of your screen.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: its like my whole client has just shifted down like half an inch, because even my command line is where my taskbar is so i cant even see what im typing
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: wait we're not talking about windows in the mushclient, but the client itself?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: what OS are you on
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: xp
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: it was fine before, then i upgraded and its just awful
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: there should be two rows of maximise icons on the top right, both checked?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: you mean one for the client, and one for the world, right?
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: ya
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: and that means i have no idea how to fix your problem
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: unmaximize mushclient, resize the unmaximized form to fill the screen, then maximize again
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: it still just sizes bac down
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: fun
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: back
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: close mushclient, then delete the file MUSHclient.ini 
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then re-open
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: ok...brb :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crixus Tech: yes!! it worked :) thank you
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: all hail Fiendish!
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hrm.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Crixus snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: No need to feed his ego. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I know what causes the problem. It just doesn't happen on any of my machines so I don't know how to make it not happen.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: http://pastebin.com/FDWBq4Z4
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: a little problem like this had me boggled for awhile yesterday, lol, i was able to successfully complete a chapter in a book after making a size mismatch that resulted in the return addresses value's being considered against null - and my strings all stopped at 11 characters in the output
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that little program actually works and prints 'This isjust a test.'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the shell doesn't recognize the byte's are null's, like the printf statement would
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that helped me to understand how the rest of the program's weren't failing or printing garabage throughout the rest of the chapter - cause some of the things being printed were less than the 11 bytes the return address had stored as non-null (for something like strlen)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause though 11 bytes were being printed on those parts that were working, the oens that were null were just ignored on the shell console
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: In mushclient, is there any way to set up a conditional inside an alias? I have a runto plugin, but it can't handle vidblain - I'd like to handle 'rt vidblain' seperately somehow
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: of course
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just make your alias send to script and you can do anything inside
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Let's assume I haven't gotten around to learning LUA just yet :-( Any way to do it without a script?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's cute
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vakieh sighs.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Guess it's time to learn then...
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: looks like a good language to pick up, it seems to come default installed on some hardcore operating systems
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Currently studying python and perl - lua doesn't seem to have made it's way to uni just yet
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: There are unis doing perl? Color me pleased.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lua is a very simple language. if you can do python you can do lua
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Lua isn't really a general purpose language like python or perl, at least not yet. I would be very surprised if a university used it.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's ridiculous
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lua is significantly more general purpose than perl is
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Quite a few game academies here in oz teach it, but I go to an old school uni - also perl is a pos language
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: perl is only good at being hard to read
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, it's not widespread the way perl and python is.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I agree that perl is terrible.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: python is a shit language that just happens to have large libraries
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But it is very widespread.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If I see one more 'clever' perl script with $_ I'm going on a spree - and not the shopping kind
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Anyway, when I went to the uni, we weren't really taught programming languanges, we were taught to program. The languages we had to learn ourselves.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hard to teach how to program without at least teaching a language with it
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: pseudocode will only take you so far
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Not really.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: at my school we actually used Apple HyperCard for intro programming
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Did that through primary school :-) 
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, first course we were taught a language, (Turbo Pascal with turtle graphics).
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Apple were such bastard idiots for discontinuing that progra
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Apple got all hipster
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Sure, sometimes code was shown, but we had to learn the language constructs pretty much ourselves. I think I went through some 15-20 languages.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That's a silly way to teach...
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Not at university level. It's not college.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: languages are always different in important ways. you can't just ignore what makes a particular language special when teaching
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can't say "here's a loop and some numbers!" now do prolog!
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: No, you need to know logic programming to do prolog.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You need to know about functional programming to do haskell.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But learning a language constructs is really simple. Learning to program well, is hard.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Fair enough as you go on at uni you don't need as much hand holding, but the way you describe isn't far off from 'self-taught' programming...
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in lua all arrays are dictionaries and indices are references unless explicitly deep copied. those are important considerations that affect how you program.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and lua is a ridiculously simple language compared to, say, Java
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can't *just* teach programming and then say "go write java!"
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Sure, but when I learned about data structures, we made them ourselves, from scratch.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you'll end up with crap code
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'm primarily a java programmer myself, c/c++ also
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: And self taught java programmers make me cry
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I haven't written any Java in about 10 years. I wonder if I'm still any good.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ok, so for beginner lua, am I best starting out within mush, or load up the binaries externally?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmmm
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: btw fiendish, any luck with the no-portal room functionality in mapper speedwalks?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I haven't gotten around to testing the code for it yet
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Have you gone with 'goto without portals', or flagging rooms as no-portal?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I haven't gone with either yet
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but spartacus has suggested some code for it that I have yet to really look at
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: a flag disabling portals is probably the best route.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how do you figure
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Easiest, maybe, but it wouldn't yield the fastest paths
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: because it can be toggled. When the sw generator sees the flag it doesn't look at the portal table.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: BTW, when I went to the uni, java didn't exist. But I can still learn it, because I took a course on object oriented programming. Languages come and go, that's why you need to learn the concepts, not just a specific language.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: And yet if you run out of the no-portal room into one which allows portals, you can shorten the speedwalk considerably
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you have a portal and can use it, that is the shortest speedwalk, but there are times when you don't want to use portals. Like in prison rooms.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: what do you guys think of this firefly bsd system?  i looked over it and seen it's last release was on my b-day, lol, but it doesn't seem to be very useful for drives < 50 gb or so, and then the HAMMER filesystem is built for exobyte sized drives
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: And Ranrr my point is you should learn *both* - concepts and the concrete languages in which to apply the,
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sure, Vakieh, but now you are specializing the sw algorithm.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: them*
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it seems pretty cool looking at the description of features, virtual kernels and stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: What are you going to use it for?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the sw algorithm treats the room where the portal lands as the starting point, nothing else.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If you are in a prison room, the best thing to do is run *out* of the prison room, and then use a portal
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: can't you just upload the search problem to the cloud and have them work it out?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sure, human being, that's easy for you to do.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: even if you were correct, Vakieh, and I am not saying one, the option of disabling portals is not a bad idea.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: looks like you could make some money coding stuff for them, i seen they have a list of features that they have 'bounty's' on which can make a programmer some money
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I know, but it is the easy option, not the 'best'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it's not the easy option, it is AN option.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: to deny options is not best practice.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Except if their effects can be better achieved with a different option?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just having a toggle to not use portals at all is the easy option. I think I'd have to add significant complexity to the pathfinding function to be able to check mid-path that the player started in a no-portal room but that it's ok to portal from 2 rooms away
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you don't ever want to set the flag, more power to you. That's not a reason not to have it.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you want to do that, Fiendish, that is commendable. But I don't think that practical speedwalks plop portals in the middle. Not necessary in Aardwolf anyway.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you are going to use a portal in the middle of a speedwalk, why not start the speedwalk there anyway?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the player may not know where the nearest free room is
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If you can't use a portal at the beginning, it is *only* practical to plop them in the middle...I don't understand where you
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: you're coming from with that one???
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: responding to Fiendish's remark, Vakieh.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think Vakieh is right. It's just not easy to do.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: is portal-ability flag in the mapper db already?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the mud doesn't send that information, so you'd have to go room by room and add it manually :]
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: nonsense, Vakieh. Portals are start point fixers, nothing else. The pathfinder doesn't have to generate a speedwalk for a room reachable by a portal. So if you put a portal in the middle of a speedwalk, you might as well mark that as the beginning. There is no need to walk to a portal end enter it unless it is a room portal.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: ummm... except where you can't portal out of your starting room?????
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: imo, the burden is on the player
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: even if you want to search  suitable room to use a portal, that is another code, shouldn't be part of the pathfinder.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: pathfinders couldn't care less whether they work in Aardwolf, or Africa.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: ooh good idea, can you make the code work in Africa?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: whether you can portal out of a room is just a dynamic exit weight. it's still part of the path information
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right, but you don't need weight all you need is to check a flag.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that way you allow the player to decide whether to use portals or not.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Say I'm at a campaign mob's room (no portal), killed it, want to move on to the next - mapper goto <some other room> would in theory run me out of the no portal room(s), portal closest to the next room, then run me there
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you have given me an idea, though, about how to make this work
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So the entire speedwalk is run-portal-run, instead of just portal-run
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it can be done, Vakieh. But that burden shouldn't be placed on the code.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Why not???
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: code it with chaos, if no portal, walk random direction, try again :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If it can be done, I mean?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, it can be done, and actually it is rather easy to do if you keep track of room flags.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no need to walk around. You use the pathfinder to find a path to the nearest room without a prison flag.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: treat the prison flag as a wall.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that may not actually be the shortest path, though
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I know it can be done, time and care factor willing, I don't understand why you wouldn't want that functionality, though
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but that should be an option. There may be a time when you don't want to take (dis)advantage of that option. It should be a toggle.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: finding the nearest non-prison room first may actually result in a suboptimal path
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I would tend to agree, Fiendish.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: there is no way to weigh such nodes.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: odds are reasonable that it would be optimal, though.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if the path if short enough.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there is a way, it just requires finding more paths
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: take the case of the Planes...
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: there is only one room where you can use the portal.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I thought there was about 24...
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That's what I don't get Anaristos - when would you not want to take advantage?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If it properly decides between direct run and portalling - if it counts each room movement as one move, I don
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If it properly decides between direct run and portalling - if it counts each room movement as one move, I don't see why it wouldn't
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I give you an example... Let's say you have a chaos portal (level 1) which takes you to a high level area. That chaos portal is good for a lower level area, but if you are not high enough you get killed every time you use the portal.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So change the level limit on the portal?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can already level lock portals
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: oh, ok, that's different from setting a flag saying "this time don't use portas"?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yes, as it's permanent
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: no, it isn't permanent. It's toggle. I clock on a button that sets the flag, I click on the button again and it resets it. It's trivial.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Not to mention you may have another portal which is ok at that level
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: click*
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: no, the level lock is permanent
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it's a temporay flag. The pathfinder looks at it and if it's set it doesn't generate portal exits. If it's reset it does. Simple.  I do that now with my sw generator.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yes, but the level lock does what you are describing in a much better way - allowing for longer, but level-appropriate, portals to be used
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I have 2 commands, getsw and getswnp. getswnp sets the flag and when it's done it resets it.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and that is all it does, it sets the flag and calls getsw.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Again, I think that is the easy option for the original problem, but not the best option in the vast majority of cases
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I rather it be an easy option than not have the option at all.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and what's more, it requires no change in the pathfinder.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, other than having it look at the flag at the beginning.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I wonder who the remaining 6 unidentified clients are.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what, rather
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: doesn't mxit give multiple hits?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mxit has its own category
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ah, I see
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: maybe the java or flash clients.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 8 people using them? seems a bit much
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, on my first day here that's what I used.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the 2nd time, the first time I used telnet :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I spent 2 weeks in Xyl, doing the AQ and creating a map :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: mis :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody have any idea where the lseek constants would be defined at on linux?  i see the fseek constants defined in /usr/include/stdio.h
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they are the same, but i don't know where they get those numbers from
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Looks like unistd.h, at least on my box.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Wrapped in an ifndef so they don't stomp on the ones from stdio if those are defined already.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you're right, lol, how did i miss that
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: ty
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Anyone know of a decent eq monitor plugin? pref miniwn format, and I don't need it to do anything (though click-to-equip would be nice) just list eq and inventory?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: How weird. I'm in room 19450. mapper thisroom says there's an exit downwards here. There is none.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: could it be level locked
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: unlikely..
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Not level locked -- it's entrance to Wildwood, where I can go
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It's a mapper bug I'm told
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: looks like it.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what area?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Maybe wrong information is given by GMCP?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wildwood is a replacement area from antharia...that means reused room UIDs...you probably didn't purge
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Right click the room on the map (not the graphical map) and create a down exit to '123'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Then right click again and 'delete exit' then pick the down one - fixed
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: why 123?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: no reason
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: but blank won't work
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: oh. why not just delete it?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Bc there won't be a down exit listed
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Er.. I have the bigmap plugin.. can't right-click there.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: How do I disable it?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: disable the graph, ctrl-alt-p iirc
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: uninstall the plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: There is. That's the whole reason we're asking :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Or there is on mine, anyway.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: yay, fixed
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The speedwalk will use the down even if the down exit isn't listed - if it is, just delete that one
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It was listed, for me.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Ah. I don't use map speedwalks, I just go runto.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: This is probably the second time I've used the mapper goto, even.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i only use mapper goto now
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I aliased "rt wildwood" to "mapper goto 321" (or whatever the right ID is)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: wildwood was there before I started, and my mapper thought there was a down exit also - not listed though
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I use a separate runto plugin that effectively does that
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: there was also the problem with path of the beleiver.. the pre-baked rooms in the aard mapper are out of date
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: believer got fixed
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: however fiendish has updated them int eh latest versions
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yep.. fiendish fixed it after i reported it
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I purged that one myself before it got fixed though
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: anyone got spare invite to google+ ?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: No idea. How would I know if I had one?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: you have one if you're using google_plus
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Okay.. so I don't
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Even invitees are being blocked atm anyways
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: they aren't if you know what to do )
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Anyone familiar with Bast spellup plugin? I can't get the titlebar to show and thus I am unable to move the window -.-
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: click the upper left corner of the window
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: did you hide the titlebar, in any case?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Amazing, I tried everything (I thought). Thanks! Yes, I hid it earlier but forgot how.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Do you happen to know which of the plugins that is the "map legend" window, by chance?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: (From the Bast collection)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, that isnt a plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: thats a tooltip, and it comes with the normal aardmush
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Really? Because earlier it didn't disappear when I moved the mouse so I thought it was because of the Bast package I installed.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the map legend is a popup from the ascii map
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mouse over the "?"
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Yes I know how to get it to show briefly on mouse over, but the thing is that I was able to move it and place it where I wanted it earlier, and now I don't know how I did that. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm you can't move the tooltip I think
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there shouldn't be any way to move it
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: The thing is that it also looked different, it didn't have the green border
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: That's why I thought it was something with the Bast package.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you sure you didn't just type help map?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe you have the help plugin installed
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Yes, it was not displayed in the main window but in a seperate window which I was able to move around
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sounds to me like you had a help capture plugin running and did help map, then. I can't think of any other plugin that would do it
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Alright, I guess so. Thanks.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: honestly, the map legend is pretty short and easy to remember. I don't see why you'd need it up all hte time
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: I seem to have lost the top of my output window in mushclient and can't move it... anyone else have this problem at any point?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: resetaard
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: type resetaard?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: try resetaard
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: thet did it
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you recently change monitor resolutions or something?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: desktop to laptop
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: ... so yes.. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: ... so yes.. :)l
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: is there a way in mush to disable "down arrow clears command text box" .. when typing long messages it can erase your message if your cursor is in the wrong spot
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I think there's an option for that
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try alt+enter, then click Keyboard preferences
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suggest enabling "save deleted command"
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I'd rather do the confirm before deleting thing
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: so you still have the option to cancel
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: thanks Fiendish.. i didn't know that dialog was there
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you activate save deleted command, you can just do up arrow to get it back
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: kyri and I thank you
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: yes indeedy. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: I am confused about all the tags - if I turn them off, for example "skillgains" will plugins that rely on this continue to work? I want to disable most of them because it clutters up my main window.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if it clutters up your main window, then you probably don't have any plugins using that tag
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, any plugin designed to use tags should properly gag it so it's not in your face
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Ah, clever. Thanks again!
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vespar Tech: is there a way in mush to send an echo to my output screen? basically i want an echo function like the one built in here but for mush, does that exist?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use note() or colornote()
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: echo
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vespar Tech: so i just type in the alias place, note(whatever i want it to shoot on my screen here)?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: capital N
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vespar Tech: ty
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: In mush, is there a way to use variables in the 'mapper portal' command? It wont expand them when I type them normally with @. Or if not is there a way to unequip portal and reequip dual wield after using 'mapper portal'?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i use an alias that takes a parameter to handle mapper portal
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: How does that work?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: like "mapper portal getPortal Gold Rush"
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: aha, brilliant
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: aha, brilliant
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: oops, thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, it helps to have an abstract function for doing portals
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vespar Tech: so if i do Note("this is a test") the color codes dont work, how can i put color in them?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vespar Tech: err Note("@Wthis @Bis @Ya @Gtest")
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: do Colournote
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: @W is an aard thing, that's not a MUSH thing
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: google lua ColourNote, or ColourTell
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vespar Tech: ty
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard's echo would use @W, mush never would
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Want Some Betrayal Tech: echo like repeatl
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: I'm having trouble with 'mapper delete portal' since I used like 50 words in each portal before knowing what was going on. how does delete portal work?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: read the help?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yes it's less than perfect
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you need to be able to delete it by the <ind>
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i delete mine in the database
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: hmm alright, maybe better off starting over with a purge then, thanks guys
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: database scares me
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the other solution is to never get it wrong :P
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: yes that would be better
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: heheh
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Devil Remps Tech: is it worth to change a cmud v2 to v3? .... I remember the last upgrades weren't so good and messed up half the system...
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: very much so
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle waves a "Change to mush" banner
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, wasn't cmud v2 still beta? :P
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Devil Remps Tech: maybe...
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no, 2.37 and several earlier versions were public versions
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Devil Remps nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: public has little to do with beta
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: as crappy as early droppings from Fiendish or Bast scripting, to be sure, but at the time they were themselves stable enough for public consumption.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Heh."
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: v3 is about like end results of aforementioned players
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I remember getting a number of tells saying that people want to switch to mushclient because several players went linkdead during a raid because cmud crashed
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Devil Remps Tech: so, if I would install the other version of it, I would search for help for a month to rewrite all my stuff?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: either they were all using version 2.37, or they were all pretty bad at scripting.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I couldn't say
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you could add an extra dimension to mud clients by leaving intentional crash flaws in them if they are sent the right message.. a clans could reasearch and "snow crash" defence against raids
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh, fyi (reading back through history) the aardwolf mushclient package has a function that you can access to translate aardwolf color codes into style runs and style runs into ansi and so on
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Intentionally crashing/abusing another's client is strictly prohibited.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they weren't bad at scripting, since you didn't need any scripts to have that issue
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: So..no
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'd never intentionally leave any sort of bug or back door
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if they were using raw CMud, they were most likely using 2.37.  It was crappy enough to do stuff like that.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nah, it was v3 cmud as well
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the issue was that the gmcp buffer was being overrun by the sheer size of the group info for very large groups
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm just talking hypothetically here.. 
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you're really going to measure the stability of a product by a rare occurrance?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: telnet option negotiation strings aren't meant for bulk data, and nothing that large had been encountered on any MUD to our knowledge before aard added in the group health info to gmcp
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Devil Remps Tech: ok, I think I found my answer...
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I imagine IRE had such piles of data with their ATCP protocol.  That's what GMCP was borne out of (more specifically, the upgrade of that to version 2).
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: GMCP is ATCP2, but IRE has much less data than aard
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no, ATCP2 is to GMCP what the old mush is to the new mush.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: umm, no
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ATCP2 and GMCP are the same thing
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}When Tech: How do I reset GUI on Mushclieht
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "reset gui"
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also explain why you need to
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: he's probably referring to the layout
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}When Tech: Yeah I have been messing with the windows
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}When Tech: I would like to reset to default
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm. unfortunately you can't do that yet
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though it is a highly requested feature, so I'll be adding it soon
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}When Tech: you're joking o.O
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nope, sorry
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you have hands. you can drag and resize things however you want
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}When Tech: Thanks? Bye
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: This is not a critical feature to have, since you have the ability to move everything around to your liking.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can just download/unzip a new mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: could do
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: with 11 hours online, I'm guessing you haven't done too much other customization
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Actually I'm playing on two different screen sizes and when I switch to the smaller one, the mapper window is completely off-screen. I don't know how to get it back
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: to be fair, sometime you can't easily if the wondow can only br dragged by it's title.. asn a res-change makes the title move out the top
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't quite understand "Thanks? Bye" is that like saying "omfg this piece of crap sucks monkey balls!"?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: isn't is somehting like "resetaard"
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: resetaard handles that case for the main output
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: language Fiendish, please
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Speaking of which, what's a good way to merge changes from different MUSHclient instances?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sorry :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "changes"
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean changes you made personally?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: map data, aliases
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: define "define"
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: map data merging is complicated and would require knowledge of sqlite
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: map data transferring is very easy. just copy the database file
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: read the page on aard's site which links to the aardmush download
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ergo, the answer Fiendish is looking to give you is "by hand"
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: cizra the gmcp mapper stays entirely off screen?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm. that's a bug
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no matter. it'll all be fixed when I expand resetaard
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i appologize for the inconvenience, though I wish you'd reported it the first time it happened :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I consider it a minor issue (=
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'd like to be informed of even the most minor issues so that they don't happen in the future
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's especially difficult because I don't have a QA department to run testing for me :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I thought most of aardwolf player base is your QA department?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: only if they tell me about the problems they encounter ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: okay, here's one:
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when I resize mushclient so that the mapper is completely off the screen and then I close and restart mushclient (simulating what happens when you change resolutions) my mapper jumps back into view
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does it only happen in some scenarios?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I have 2 X screens (Linux). When I switch (using keyboard shortcuts) the attention of the window manager to the MUSHclient screen, the MUSHclient window gets focus automatically (since it's the only window there). However, the focus doesn't land on the text input control -- the blinky-blinky cursor doesn't appear until I either click on the input field or switch windows on the same screen.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Just tried resizing and then restarting MUSH. Didn't help with the mapper issue.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what room are you in right now?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: In MUD? Somewhere in Onyx bazaar, I think. Why?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: enter
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: er
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can't reproduce that mapper problem. it always jumps into view for me when I start mushclient if the window is too small
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: hmmm. Now to think of it, I deleted a certain state file.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: aard layout plugin state file.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not relevant
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that only deals with main output, actually
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I seem to recall that the problem was much worse with the file present, but now I'm deleting it by inertia.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Ahh, so resetaard is equivalent. Okay.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think there's nothing I can do about sending focus to the input bar when switching X screens :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that sounds like a window manager issue
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Sure? Maybe there's some Windows message you could catch.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: except that I don't think there would be a windows message from tht
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I'd suppose there'll be some kind of "window got focus" message?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: as long as the window has focus, if you start typing it should send characters to the input bar anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: remember that you're not actually running windows ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Yeah, but.. but.. *sigh*
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so windows messages don't really exist
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's worse in this case than not actually running windows. what X does has nothing to do with Wine :)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Gotta talk to the xmonad guys
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Sure they do, Abelinc! Wine ought to send them.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wine only emulates enough to run
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not everything that windows would normally do
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: wine is not an emulator
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes it is :P
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and it initially actually stood for windows emulator :P
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's just not a *machine* emulator
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the Wine HQ folks got so tired of the "wine is not an emulator" trope that they changed the name from WINE to Wine
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it pretends to be windows by mimicking APIs. That's basically all an emulator does
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I've seen a layer emulating Linux on Windows :-D
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cygwin does much of that
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i wonder if you could run wine in that?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Oh, no, it was special-purpose, for one app onyl.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: tech actually, wine stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, it's likely qemu or cygwin under the hood :P
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no ranrr
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What? No, it was just an implementation of ncurses.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wine stood for windows emulator when it was founded...people later backronymmed it to say wine is not an emulator
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: WineHQ has a page talking about the name
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: curses exists on windows, that's not emulating linux......
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: That particular program was emulating the binary interface o' calling curses. For a Linux program, on Windwoes.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Re-implementing a library on another platform is not emulation.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: emulating syscalls is, however
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: providing a translation layer for an established API sure seems like emulation to me
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oldham Tech: ^
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ?action=recall&rev=217#head-8b4fbbe473bd0d51d936bcf298f5b7f0e8d25f2e
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (what a url)
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's kind of funny that the wine project refuses to acknowledge their old "WINdows Emulator" name now
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: despite http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I thought it was a 'recursive' acronym, stood for 'Wine Is Not an Emulator'? Like 'GNU' stands for 'GNU's Not Unix'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not originally
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I thought GNU was God-damned*#($* New Users!
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanoob Tech: is anyone creating a dedicated bb mudclient apart from BBSHH which I'm currently using and hating
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Zanoob: probably not.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanoob Tech: and no mobile java clients as well
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sorry. get android?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: isn't BB saying that they can run android apps now?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanoob Tech: googles an imperialistic monopolistic profiteering  bully.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hehe
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Just like everyone else
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the imperialistic monopolistic profiteering king is dead! long live the imperialistic monopolistic profiteering king!
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Anyone know how to turn off parsing in MUSH?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what kind of parsing?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: click the red X. :inno:
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Removing spaces from the beginning of lines sent to the MUD
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can disable aliases by going to game -> configure -> aliases
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but iirc plugin aliases would still be parsed
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are you sure it actually removes spaces?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe the mud removes spaces
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: anyone need google+ invite
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: YES
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: PastamanT raises a stable boy's hand.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: PLEASE
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yes please
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: send tell with email
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So any word on when they open g+ for those with invites?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what's the benefit of getting an invite now vs just setting up an account later?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they're going to open it up eventually
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: dunno, early bird joy?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, remember back when gmail was invite-only? :P
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah, and I had 99 unused invites sitting around
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: to prevent facebook from jacking their ideas
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: like video conferencing.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, cuz I'm sure nobody at fb can get an invite
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hey, I still have 99 invites
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there will be special easter eggs and earlybird-only features that cannot be gotten elsewhere.  Kinda like how Pokemon works.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: invite me!
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you think google will make me stop inviting people if I use them all?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "GMAIL IS CLOSED!"
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Fiendish: GMAIL is closed now.....I wonder.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't trust google, it even comes into default debian web browsers and openbsd packages
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well that can't be good
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: remotely runing cron jobs and accessing the internet, having its own dns servers
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: anything in debian CANNOT BE TRUSTED!
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and you can't serf the internet without it, because even if you find a page without their search engine the page's internal search controls will be handled by google
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hah serf the internet
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't trust anybody
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: on here
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lasher perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: did someone say "nerf"?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you don't trust anyone out there either, Druzil
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: eventually i want to build my own operating system
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: PEASANT, FETCH ME THE NEXT HTTP BLOCK!
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: don't look now. you've woken up lasher
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie inserts Fiendish into a public school internet service where most websites are blocked.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: give it a minute, he should be going to bed soon
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Paranoia is already in use by a player. Delusional is already in use by a player.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'mfriends with paranoia
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yes, and there are earthquake monitor softwares available in your firefox browser on your laptop
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: He originally had a different name. Ironman, I think.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: to remotely send the statistics of whether you're rumbling or not to a foreign server
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The name CrazyManiac is available for use.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how exactly does your browser software detect the earthquake?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: uh oh, they know when I've had beans?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: through a hardware sensor built onto the motherboards of some recent computers
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Abelinc: via the inertial sensor of course
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: Yomamma is available for use.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Earthquake and/or the cat.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: it puts a big button on your browser, if you feel shaking, you click it
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so you read my conversations on ftalk on the background fiendish
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you also inhabit the skull's of the chatters on freenode
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I only inhabit oftc and foonetic
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though I'm not connected to foonetic atm
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.internetbuttons.org
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: is there any there that turn it off?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: only medication can do that
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you getting these from spoofed dns servers?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Imp Druzil whoises the site and looks up the owners real name
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Is it George? I bet it's George.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, internetbuttons.org wouldn't be bad for the kids :P
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I'm scared to click on the links
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I still remember some time ago someone gave me a link that spammed popups of rickrols
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: rickrolls*
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't do that
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, not anymore anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I had an orchestra of rick rolls =P
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly.
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is that like a murder of crows?
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: probably =P
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: how do i use the planesmobs plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: type plookup help
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: oh, thank you.
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visionx Tech: i have a problem when i look in 3.back it shows the items, but i try to get from it and it says it's not there, neither can i drop it
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Item might be missing a keyword, or have keywords different then what youd expect
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gawyn Tech: anyone use sharptracker?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: snapshot r1124 finally makes it so that resetaard resets all of the stock miniwindows
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: There a windows command that'll create a new empty file like unix "touch" does?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: echo > bla
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: echo without any parameters returns "ECHO is on.", so that doesn't create an empty file
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: try type > bla
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: hhmmmm, no, I dunno (=
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: in a command prompt, you could do    copy con test.txt    then press ctrl-z and enter
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: not really a command tho as it requires interaction
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Probably overkill for this specific example, but for unix-like stuff for windows I'd suggest installing cygwin then you've got the full unix toolkit to play with. If it's binaries are in the path, I think it'll work from a command prompt too
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Thanks.  My SD card is being screwy, so need to see if I can fix that first :\
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: anyone know how to reset spellup and minimap if they dont appear to be updating in aard mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Which spellup plugin? Bast's one? If so, are you using a recent version? There were some issues with older ones stopping working, but they seem to have been fixed in recent releases.
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: well it appears my ingame map is working but the minimap window is not, any correlation there?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Only thing that springs to mind is have you got automap turned on? If that was off I'd guess it might not update.
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: it was turned on but turning it off = no dice =(
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: It should be on, just thought if you had it off it could have produced your problem. Not really sure then.
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Do you have tags on?  Do you have tags map on?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: which tags, some on some off
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: map
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: thats already on
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: and "tags on" in general
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: got a run-time error Plugin: Aardwolf_GMCP_Mapper (called from world: Aardwolf test)
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: looks like i had triggers off... everything seems restored but now after every time i move, it does a whois and i get myself statted spammed, anyone know what is causing that
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: How could I reinstall plugins with commands? Do I need a separate plugin for thath?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: my gmcp mapper isnt working =(
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: anyone know what error this is Cannot draw map right now, I don't know where you are - try: LOOK
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, ever tried following instructions?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's because the mapper requires to know where you are to draw i'm guessing.. look and re-try
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: the map doesnt reset its just blacked out
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: re-intall the plugin, then look
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: did that also
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: are you blind at present?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: did you delete your database?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: didnt delete the dbase
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: try looking in a different room
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: things started turning sour when i started using the potion counter
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: uninstall that then
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: maybe disable that and try reinstalling the mapper again?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu nods at WinkleWinkle.
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle enthusiastically high-fives Kurojiryuu!
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: get a error for the mapper [string "Plugin"]:494: foreign key constraint failed
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that is very very bad
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah the database has an error now
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Want Some Betrayal Tech: foreign key..sounds like a relationship between tables was lost
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Want Some Betrayal Tech: nod sql?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: copy your aardwolf.db somewhere and copy in one from yesterday from \backups\
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: the backups folder found in the aardmud folder or are we talking something else windows related?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: you might want to talk with the plugin author of that potion counter thing too
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah the aardmud folder
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: the backup for the aardwolf.db
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: dont see any folders of that name around =(
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what version are you using?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the folder is \db_backups\
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: JunkInThe Torunkes shakes his head.
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: so i'm trying to use the weapon switcher plugin, setting weapons with w1 = 123456789 w2 = 1234567890 etc but when I use the w1 or w2 commands it says I don't have the item. any thoughts?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe you don't have the item
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: do those numbers need to be in quotes?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: oh, does it not work for dual wield?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Betrayal Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: do they have any software?can hack into wireless WEP or WAP password?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Fiendish, are you here?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I wasn't before. I am now. But I'm leaving in a minute.
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you can ask your question before I go, great. otherwise leave me a note
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Ah, I was just wondering if you are familiar with the bast spellup script and why it gives me an error when I run the broadcast_spellsskills.xml plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sorry, I'm not that familiar
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just use it :)
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I've never looked at the code
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you could try asking bast
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: Try reinstalling that plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: I've tried that, it floods my main window with this: Trigger function "spellheaders_redirect" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Literally floods my window, can't see anything else and it goes on and on.
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: Nod, it should be a ton of red stuff that clogs your main window. I've had that same problem
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: google+ > facebook
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: Click on the specific plugin in File --> Plugins and hit the reinstall button
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: I've done it... now I can't get the window to show... doesn't really matter though as I can use the spellup command anyhow
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: oh i probably did!  what was i asking about  i feel like it must have been weeks ago?
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: anyone need more invites for g+
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Is there any way to have mushclient autosave the world at intervals? Had a blackout today and all my variables/aliases reverted to the last time I opened mush/clicked on save (don't remember which) ???
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}When Tech: How do I turn it to where my main window doesn't have chat stuff etc
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Vakieh: you could set up a timer to do that
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Demoniacal Agramon Tech: what is the command to make chat just show up in the communication log on arrdwolfs mush client?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: There's an easier way, but I think you can still do 'chats echo off'
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right-click on the chat window and choose Turn Echo Off
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Demoniacal Agramon Tech: i found it thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Is there any way to have mushclient save the world file periodically? I had a blackout earlier and my variables/aliases all reverted :-(
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yoy can call ststem functions
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: like open world, close mush, etc
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i imagine save world is in there
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i need to do the same myseld
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yeah, looks like the inbuilt is Save("")
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Thanks for the pointer
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: np
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it lists every exact match on room name so you can jump tothe right one
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: I'd like to have a variable that I can define in mapper portal to reuse dual after i enter my portal. So no matter what whatever I define as my dual wield my mapper would use that. I should be able to use an alias to do that right? I'm new to the whole alias/trigger business.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: could get the portal wish and avoid it =o
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: I could. If I make an alias in mush and put that in mapper, will it pull from it?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: An alias in mush as 'weapondual'=current dual weapon name and in the mapper I have "dual 'weapondual' " will it work?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: this is the current portal alias i'm trying to use " get portalID conainerID;hold portalID;enter;dual ohand;put portalID containerID" and I made an alias ohand = "offhand weaponname"
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: but when use the portal it gets it frm the bag and enters, but doesn't dual wield the weapon. do I need to change the type of alias it is to world or execute or something?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: no one know if I can put a mushclient alias in a mapper portal alias?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: it needs to send to execute if you have an alias with an alias.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I think so, if I'm understanding what you're doing...are you using an alias or a variable for 'ohand'?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: I just made an alias called 'ohand' which current contains my dual wield id#
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: otherwise if you do send to world, it just processes the raw command, and since your ohand isn't a mud command it'll choke.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: You're calling that from another alias? You'll need to set it to Execute otherwise it won't expand 'ohand'.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kyriantha nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Put simply, SendTo of 'World' sends it direct to the mud without substituting aliases or anything, SendTo of 'Execute' sends it as if you typed it at the input box, so does substitute aliases
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: hmm, the portal alias works, but it's still trying to dual ohand instead of expanding it even as an execute type alias
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Invite Tiana Tech: which mud client was the one for android that most ppl use?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: i used amud for a while
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Sommeil, have you got execute set on the alias which uses 'ohand' or on ohand itself? Needs to be on the one which uses 'ohand'
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Invite Tiana Tech: i need something for my phone while i'm out at the pool
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Invite Tiana looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: ... a ziploc bag?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Invite Tiana stares at the sky.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: ah, yeah it's on the ohand alias itself
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Might be your problem then :)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: anyone have a completely different approach to using the mapper portal command?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: i use it to prop the door open
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Not me, I didn't even know it existed until you mentioned it. Does it work similar to the cexit stuff?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: yeah pretty much.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Great, I'll have to play with it some time. I've got my portals set up as individual aliases at the moment.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: you don't use tha mapper at all for speedwalking?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Not at the moment, I use runto then mapper area and goto for quests and area-based cps, mapper find, runto then mapper goto for room-based cps
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I find that 'mapper find' sometimes takes too long to come back with a list when it has to find a fairly common name and has to work out how to get there for a lot of matches, my machine's a bit slow.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I've just introduced a feature in the last version that avoids that
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: what client is this mapper your using on?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can activate quicklist mode that will return the lists instantly
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it just won't have them sorted by distance
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Wow, impressive, thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Lysdexic: the aardwolf mushclient package
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Lytebane: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/list
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Shouldn't my client have informed me of that one, or isn't it a general release?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are you using the update checker plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Should be, it's worked in the past and I don't remember doing anything to turn it off, last release it told me about was 1079, I thought you were having a break :)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try reloading the plugin :)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it will only check for updates when you either reload the plugin or restart mushclient, btw
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'll eventually integrate the idle checker to see if it's safe to pop up messages at other times, but not yet
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Thanks, somehow the plugin wasn't getting loaded, works fine now, must be somehow related to my last update, I did copy the state folder over, could that somehow have done it?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hard to say
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you copy your old world file over?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the world file is what determines whether plugins get loaded
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Nope, followed the instructions on the aard site, copied the mapper db and states folder, then imported from the old world file
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not sure, then. see if it happens again, I guess
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, I'll keep a lookout for it happening when I upgrade, it's getting late so I'll try the new stuff out tomorrow
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: so going a couple steps back, if I have an alias(a1) within an alias(a2). which one is world and which is an execute? 
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if you want an alias to run another alias in its code, you need to send to execute
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: send to world sends the commands directly to the mud, send to execute runs them through the parser, as if you had typed it on the command line
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Might make more sense to use a variable for some of what you're doing, btw, then just remember to tick the 'expand variables' check box, then you wouldn't need to worry about execute and world
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: sounds list axactly what I need to do.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: like as well maybe
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Variables tend to be a better way to do small things which only get used from aliases, less likely to get hit accidentally (or exploited by bad users) and probably slightly more efficient too since you don't have to stick the alias through the parser with 'execute'
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: ok i'll pick your brain more about it in a second :)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: FYI, even if you do send to script, you can always send things to the world with Send()
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: think of it this way, though...
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: send to world does exactly that. everything in the box is sent literally. send to execute pretends like you typed all of that stuff into your command line, which means that aliases will fire but complex script functions are off limits. send to script means everything is code and you can send things to the world with Send("something here")
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Thanks, hadn't really thought about the difference between execute and script, useful to know, I've not really tried putting script functions in aliases yet, that'll probably open up all sorts of interesting possibilities :)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sad Panda Kalista Tech: any reason why the gmcp mapper is trying to use portals with a level lock above my level?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it shouldn't if you've set it right
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what level lock are you setting?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no, what level lock did you set it for?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sad Panda Kalista Tech: well for instance, I entered a level lock of 80 for the dread tower portal
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and you're tier 7, so what's the problem?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sad Panda Kalista Tech: but when I mapper goto hatchling aerie, it attempts to use it
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: did you -70 from the level of the portal?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: just use the level of the portal as the levellock, tiers are calculated in the script automatically.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your effective usable level is 82, which is higher than 80. the mapper takes your tier into account when deciding whether to hold a portal
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: is there a global quest report plugin for mush? something that says how many gq's are left etc, and what brackets?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sad Panda Kalista Tech: oh okay, thanks, that answers my question
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: and hopefully non-miniwindow-based. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah finger jhav for the gq cycle plugin.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why non-miniwindow-based?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: Kyriantha, google it? Many people have gq cycles
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: some people have small screens, fiendish =P
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: because I'm blind and mini-windows suck for screen readers. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: <----
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: ah, that too
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's an interesting quirk
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hence why non of my plugins use mini-windows
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hey Kyriantha, do blind people say "I see" when they mean "I understand"?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: isn't that just a quirk of the English language? Everyone says I see even though what they mean is I understand...
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: sure. in fact blind people say things like I'm gonna watch a movie or watch TV, even though they can't see it.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I feel weird about saying that I'm going to read a book when what I mean is listen to the audiobook
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: thanks for the heads up on Jhav's plugin.. it's perfect
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah it's pretty sweet!
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: audiobooks are great for the hour-long drive home...I listen to the morning show on the way in, audiobook on the way home :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but between the DVR at home and the skip-back-15-secs on audiobooks, I get annoyed that the car radio doesn't have a skip back feature :P
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ever heard of HD radio? It's practically a DVR for sounds
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: could probably get a great one for the same price as a really cheap computer, though they do make them for as low as $50.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not worth it for just the morning commute, which is about the only time I listen to the radio
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the car radio does already have RDS, so we get the artist/song info on the display
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Why does print (string.gmatch ("i am great", "%a+")(3)) print "i" not "great"?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: helps to say what exactly you're talking about :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: space isn't alpha, most likely.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Lua, btw
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what is the (3) trying to modify?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: string.gmatch ("i am great", "%a+") properly should give "i", then "am", then "great"...but you don't have a loop for it, so it's just print on the first one, "i"
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Yeah so I wanted to access the 3rd output of the loop by adding a (3) at the end.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, but that's making up your own syntax, which isn't part of the program :P
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you want [3]
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if youwere addressing the 3rd item in an array
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Yup, I'm a newbie to Lua.  I tried [3] it doesnt work
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't really want string.gmatch
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: I don't think string.gmatch() returns an array
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Oh then what should I use?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: I just want to extract words from a string
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: string.gmatch means "do something to EACH AND EVERY pattern match"
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: don't you want to use a for loop for string.gmatch?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup winkle
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Is there an easier way to extract substrings from a string delimited by a "
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Ahem, delimited by a " "
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bob, what's the whole of what you're trying to do?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: are you trying to split on space?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup winkle
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: BobTheGreat rapidly nods twice at Winkle-2000 Idiocy Machine and Smurf Crusher, in complete agreement.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: BobTheGreat buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i have that exact code.. hold on
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but there's prolly an easier way to do it based on where this text is coming from and where it's going
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: local parts = split(mob, "[^ ]+") -- space delimited
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rather than working on one line of a snipped, what're you doing?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: gives you an array
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Ahh
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: BobTheGreat thanks Winkle-2000 Idiocy Machine and Smurf Crusher heartily.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: oh wait.. that calls a finction..
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: function split(line, delim) local result = {} local index = 1for token in string.gmatch(line, delim) do result[index] = token index = index + 1endreturn result end
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and that is a split function
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: lol you might want to pastebin it.
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's rather hard to read like that... :P
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: I'm using codepad :)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hehe you mean you don't have all your code in one line? LOL
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: wtf you have your code all in one line?
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: kuro, VI
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: ohhhhhh
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: white space doesn't make things easier to read to a screenreader
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, makes sense now =P
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: lua split function : http://pastebin.com/mYd6auP8
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: then use it with ............. local parts = split(mob, "[^ ]+") -- space delimited
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: where "mob" is your string.. in this case i'm breaking out a mob's campaign name and turning it into an auto hunt call
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Oh I'm not using it for any game purposes...
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that's ok.. i'm jsut explaining usage for context
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you can find the length of your array by putting a hash/pound in front of it BTW
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: e.g.   if (#myArray == 3) then
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: ram question, should i get 2 4gig sticks or 4 2gig sticks, not sure if there will be performance variation or not
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: get 2 4 gig sticks
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: go with 2 4 gig sticks
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: whats the reasoning behind it?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mikejs Tech: less sticks = less interfacing with the motherboard
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: less chance of a conflict
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you later want more RAM, you don't have to waste what you have now
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: it costs more
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doroga Tech: you can get 2 more 4 gigs sticks later on as well
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: make them the same brand too
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you fill all slots now, then you have to essentially throw some away to upgrade
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kyroarda Kyroda nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: not sure why id need beyond 4 anyway, currently nothing comes close to using 4 in my current system
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: what does your mb max out at
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: 32
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: testing all my progs to see if its worth getting gobs of ram beyond just for the hell fo it and so far nah :p
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, the two options given were both for the same amount of RAM...
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kyroarda Kyroda nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: ill just got 2 sticks, if i need to be excessive later i can
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: well if you do alot of graphics editing and design alot of ram comes in handy
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyroarda Kyroda Tech: the other thing im pondering is latency vs frequency, higher = longer latency but im not sure to what degree it really matters
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: can 4 sticks of ram be addressed on twice as many channels as two sticks?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: depends on the layout of the chip
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the data bus doesn't care about the layout, but the interface does.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: does anyone know how to build miniwindows here?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: First you cut a small hole in your wall
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone know which plugin I've missed when reinstalling (mushclient with bast plugins)? I'm getting invmon tags popping up so I'm missing something.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: broadcast_inventory.xml?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: That's stopped it, thanks, not sure why that didn't autoload, although it doesn't seem to be used by any of the plugins I've loaded. Maybe a hangover of stats plugins, which I tried then removed in the last version?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Is there something to do to escape an at symbol in mushclient, specifically when setting mapper portal commands? I'm trying to include a variable in the command but at doesn't work, backslash at doesn't work and double at doesn't work.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone know how I stop mushclient loading help when I press F1? I've been using it for my heal potions but in the latest version it loads help as well.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There's a bit in the repository on that, anyone have the link?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: nvm, found it - https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Can't just bind it in macros, in the ctrl-g menu?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Nice, thanks :) Works perfectly, I'll have to get round to reading all the stuff there, I wasn't aware of that FAQ list.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: np lytebane
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: While there's people on tech, all of the plugins I've looked at seem to be built out of a template - anyone know where I find this template???
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Salvanas, in the new version of mush, you have to set something in Global Prefs, option 'F1, F6 are macros' to stop it loading help as well as executing your macro whenever you press F1
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: try file -> plugin wizard
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh, ok - thought it might have been a text file, thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: I usually just copy paste another plugin and change the fields, but originally you'd start with the wizard
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I asked this earlier but I'll try again now more people are on tech :) Anyone know how I escape an at sign to pass to a script, specifically the mush mapper. I'm trying to use a variable in the mapper portal command
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Is Spellup an innate feature of the Aardwolf client now, so you don't need to install the Bast plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: No, you still need the bast plugins, but there's lots of other great stuff in the bast package too
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Okay thanks. I still search for a decent action bar though, wish it was a standard of the client. I have a hard time remembering all the spells etc, would be neat to have them as buttons.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I just use aliases, one for each of my 3 toughest combat spells, change them every time I get a new spell
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: So is there another plugin except Bast that is kind of "mandatory"?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: The only other one I use is the container sort plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: Okay, I'll check it out if I can find it. Thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: It's written by madcatz if that's any help, I don't have a url for it though.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, is anyone fluent with the room.info gmcp?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miquiliztli Tech: Is anyone accustomed with the Aardwolf MUSHclient package? I'm wondering if there's a way to lock the several windows in place to avoid accidently moving them around, which has happened a lot for me :) I haven't found any "lock in place", "prohobit movement" or the likes of it in any settings.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miquiliztli Tech: -prohibit
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: unfortunately i've not encountered that.. if Feindish isn't online, I suggest writing her a note
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miquiliztli Tech: Thank you, perhaps I will do that
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: fiendish is a he :P
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miquiliztli Tech: But the character is a she
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Level 64 Female Triton Berserker [Advisor] (Tier 2).
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: sure, the character is, but the person isn't
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: it's not like we can look under the hood
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Just call everyone "he". There are no females on Aard.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miquiliztli Tech: What is this.. female you speak of?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i refer to Fiendish as a he for 6 months and get told to call them a she.. then the moment i do.. someone tells me to call them a he
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: SEriously, this is teh internets. You looking for girls in the wrong place.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: rules of the internet, men are men, women are men, children are F.B.I
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Interesting.  Several ISPs have enlisted what is apparently called the "six strike" copyright enforcement plan...
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Details here if interested in reading: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/major-isps-agree-to-six-strikes-copyright-enforcement-plan.ars
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: just set up a ssh tunnel and encrypt your traffic
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruxic Tech: hello I have an issue with my command line not showing up on my Mushclient, aardworlf UI
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so does the $TERM variable get sent to a telnet request through xterm that aardwolf can identify what client's being ran?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm unknown client now
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how do you know?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it doesn't do the same with a vt
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause i checked
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how did you check?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: with the client
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: huh?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the client can't check
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i took note of what the numbers were and seen which one alternated when i changed from xterm to a vt
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the client command*
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you guessed
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but define a vt
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I highly doubt you're using a DEC VAX...
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: virtual terminal, not a hardcoded 1 instance terminal of 1 keyboard and 1 screen, but an array of them
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: would virtual console be more accurate?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, just a standard console
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you are sending $TERM still
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: what's it's value?  it's linux here
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just not a $TERM that is in aard's predefined list
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm guessign linux is a custom terminfo type
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type setenv or set
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can tell it to use whatever ttype you want, really
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah it still says linux
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: TERM=linux
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it says TERM=linux?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, that's a pretty silly one, but there ya go
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: my distribution searches /etc/terminfo then /lib/terminfo then /usr/lib/terminfo
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yep
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: linux isn't even linux, so it's a pretty non-informative string
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't know how they have that set up, i don't know much about it really - i'd guess it's a probed terminal type that is dynamically configurable to point to the features of another type
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pretty much
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so if i want to obfuscate myself i should alter that to something strange
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: since aard probably doesn't need to know that except for information purposes
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can alter that in all clients to pretty much anything you want, hence there being an entry for Mushclient and an entry for Mushclient-aard...
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but as you've already tested and found that Aard puts a ttype of linux into unknown, seems you're as obfuscated as you need to be
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we already know that you're using linux or openbsd at various times, it's not like you're hiding anything by changing your reported string
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i'm using a tty6 virtual console with telnet though - and it's sending information about the terminal in a information packet through telnet for some reason - is it telnet sending the TERM variable?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that must be it cause i don't see what direct interaction with the server my terminal would have
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can't work without sending information about the terminal...
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it has to know how to treat things like backspaces, etc...there's a lot of variation in how terminals in telnet act, so they need to spend time negotiating terminal stuff in order for you to be able to do a lot of things without frustration
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: telnet needs access to $TERM so it can draw it's information and display/read its input from the terminal control's, but why would telnet need to send format information to a bunch of binary digits to a server?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's why you'll sometimes see older-school geeks making jokes like necro^?^?^?^?^?druzil
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's only it's job to display those digits to me
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because a terminal can use ^? or ^H for backspaces...
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you have to have teh server and the client agree on it
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: otherwise thing's like that setting on here where you have to manually set the size of a PAGE for the multi-page information and things like that would be automatically set wouldn't it?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: oh, negotiating special characters is it's only purpose?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they CAN be automatically set, yes
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: telnet does have a window size setting that's sent across
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I wouldn't want aard to use that, because I prefer to let my client handle paging rather than Aard
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and most clients that can't handle paging better than aard, also aren't complete enough to send the page sizes
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so it'd be counterproductive for Aard to act on the window size info
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for decent clients, really the only use for aard's pagesize is to not get kicked off for a "list" on ideas board
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: like typing /list in irc
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: changing your term type to something funky won't change how much negotiation happens between aard and your telnet
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i see, but i could do something like invent a bare-bone's term type in the /etc/terminfo that contains only the control characters needed by the server right?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'd be stupid, but sure
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm just curious, not like i'd ever invest time in actually doing it right now
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: remember that the term type isn't just for outgoing telnet...your shell uses it all the time
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you don't wanna be able to use any curses-based shell programs, gofer it :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: is there a difference between "curses-based" and "cursor-based"
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can change over to using vt52, which is pretty stripped down since it's ancient
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or i could maybe just rename the linux one to something like monkeytime and move it there, yeah? lol
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: renaming the linux one won't change what featureset it proclaims to support
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Any suggestions on a good bluetooth micro USB that connects to Wiimotes?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: one time i noticed this little thumbnail picture on a google or yahoo search results page/altavista, and this picture i looked at the detail's of - it said size 41x21 pixel's, resized to 40x20 and i wondered .. why would they make it like that?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the only thing i could find was some .gov website about those size spec's and some references to thumbnail exploits on windows and linux
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you think about it, it is causing code to be executed on your pc, since your component is the one resizing it
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: thumbnailer*
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and embedded code in images
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so i still wonder why would website's make their thumbnails 41x21 that needs to be resized to 40x20 instead of having it at 40x20 by default?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i found the results of my search on what it could be strange - like why would a .gov site come up on the top of the results from 1994?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: probably related to how browser companies never seem to agree on standards and tend to go ahead with their own version of things hoping it becomes one.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i mean, the application's they use to develop them would know they'd be resized to 40x20
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: could be
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm not sure of the .gif format either, or .png, i think it'd be gif for thumbnails, i know you can animate them
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: would the extra 2 pixels of data be some sort of animation that is chopped off of the image size?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm not imagining this , crazy as it sounds, i looked it up and couldn't find a obvious reason for it, and found those thumbnailer thing's with the reports of vulnerabilities of image formats
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: if a pic was 41x21 instead of 40x20, rotation is the only reason I can think of
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a lot more than 2 pixels of data difference...
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that could have been in the message, rotation
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: you can only have a center with odd pixels
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i remember resized and the dimensions is all
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: oh
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rathik Tech: If I had a guess, I'd guess that maybe it solves a page redrawing issue in one particular browser when loading the image from cache
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's likely simply that the guy making the code for the page isn't the same guy that does the graphics
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: at first I thought you were talking about some sort of standard like the favicons, but you're just talking about random/arbitrary pictures on a page, with no tie to any particular dimensions
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm talking about google or altavista fetching thumbnails for a well-known site like you have for some pages that are of 41x21 dimensions for display on your search results, looking at the strange dimensions resized to 40x20 - and wondering why the thumbnail generator for the image ont hat website would have selected 41x21 for the image instead of 40x20 which the generator's author would probably have observed to be the size a browser resizes that image to
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you say it's cause of odd-ness then that i could see one of the two dimensions being off, but both still doesn't add up much
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rathik Tech: Wait, Altavista?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: ie they're both even
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm not sure about the rotation deal, but the image seemed right side up to me
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i just remember the 'resized to 40x20' 'size 41x21' and the lookups i did, and how that didn't answer my questions
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't know why i even looked it up , obviously not many did, cause of the little search results from it
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: websites resize pictures from native all the time
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if it was cause the middle pixel has to be odd, then 1 of the two dimensions being odd could work, 41x20 say, but both makes it still an even number
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: maybe google's just doing it to make you run around wondering why they do it...
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but there's only so many tools for working with images out there, and why would the authors of both tools that work on both projects (the viewer and the presenter) arbitrarily make that different?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tbh, just this thread is making me want to go to every web page I own and hardcode dimensions to be 1 off just to mess with people like you
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: It's Druzil.  They very well might not be.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: only so many tools for making pictures?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: how many websites can you visit without using google, or locate?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and how many websites can you visit without encountering an apache webserver
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: only so many 'well-known' tools
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: huh? this has nothing to do with google or apache
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you know what i mean
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so not really sure what you think you're saying
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: apache doesn't touch images
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's a tool though
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a tool that is not even remotely relevant to the conversation
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you knew what the tool was for, you'd know that
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech 'only so many tools for dealing with webhosting content provider's of a top 10 google variety'
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: microsoft word is a tool as well...why didn't you name it?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: again, apache has nothing to do with that
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: what do you figure, they made their own image formatting program's just for the purpose of that one website, or that there's a billion or so websites like that out there that use the same software for presenting and preparing their websites/
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: apache doesn't do image formatting or presenting and preparing images
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: oh wow, different level here, they have no common appearl, like adobe flash player doesn't arrive on most websites that are notoriable
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so flash and apache have nothing in common, one's free the other's not
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they do totally different things
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they have no large user or dependence base
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and both are free
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just depends on which parts of flash you're referring to
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if somebody says if you want some cool stuff on your site, you use this not-flash program, and if you want a website, you use this non-apache server
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: flash is a technology
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i see they have something in common
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't know why you don't
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I didn't say they have nothing in common, I said they're totally different things, and I said that apache doesn't create, edit, format or present images
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so, the question remains, why would the large-user basers of the browser creator content houser builders of the presentors not take into account that 98% of the people who browse their content would have to resize those images by 1x1 pixel?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: whether or not you use flash has no bearing on what webserver engine you use
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because the users don't resize the images
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but like i said, the users do, and that is arbitrary code execution on the users side
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 90%+ of all websites intentionally use image files that they later resize manually in the code
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if there is some form of a chain of bugs that can be reached through that simple mechanism
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and it's intentionally and not arbitrary in many cases
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: ok then, that's all i meant by using them as simile's, the amount of popularity or likeliness that a certain tool would be used in a certain context - like a webserver is a large part apache, or a mail server, exim4, or a image editor, gimp or photoshop - 
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the one's who prepare the content for the website's, why would they need that extra 1 pixel for their thumbnails?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: assuming each websight designer out there doesn't size them to those exact dimensions themself and rely on a popular tool to do it - which the authors of probably know the authors of the popular tools that will be used to view those websites later
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the authors of the tools aren't important here
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're not talking about standards in images
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the standard/popular image manipulation tools will let you choose any dimensions you want
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but who's going to choose 41x21, just a decision of the person who developed the whole website, or do they have a reason?  does it make it sharper or something?
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: webmaster's probably aren't too keen on 1 pixel differences
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right, that's the issue ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you keep thinking that there's 1 person doing the entire website
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rathik Tech: People who make images and people who make websites are almost never the same
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the guy doing the images isn't the guy making the web page
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Rathik noddles at you, apparently agreeing to your words.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: true
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the limitless vault of internet oddities
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: at one point in time, someone sent over an image that was 40x20...the guy then coded the web page around that...then the image guy found one picture that didn't quite crop nicely to that, so he made it slightly bigger
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if i ever remember i'll try and get to the roots of the problem so i understand it, lol
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the guy making the page just plugged in the new picture's name to the page's code
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that could be
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it still looks fine, since 1 pixel doesn't make any difference except on the off-chance that it happens to fall on a crucial part of the pic, which isn't often
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: LMAO, so they must have had a very critical eye
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the image-making guys do
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the webpage-making guys don't
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech well, thanks for your input, i will keep that in mind - the thing's the google search came up with weren't too promising
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's always possible that the makes of the christian dating website got honest or good intentions that aren't perverted in some way or another - but seeing the commercial on tv and the kind of things i seen on the internet for entertainment, i don't take that without a grain of salt
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: No kidding.
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: anyone know why adobe premiere pro cs 5 would have problems uploading photos, when i upload them i have 2 files one titled a.jpg and another titled b.jpg, and for some reason whenever i import them b.jpg is the same image as a.jpg
T3/r4/2011-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: uploading = importing, im just tired
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: is there a command on mush to disable/enable specific alias/trigger?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: is there a command on mush to disable/enable specific alias/trigger?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exorcist Jerome Tech: in the trigger panel itself you can mark enabled/disabled 
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Massacrer Macbeth Tech: yeah i know. im hoping more like a command like in zmud we can do it from command output #t+ or #t- etc
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: expert here?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: In what?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone know,any software i can hack thru people wireless wep or wap? password?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yeah, that's not happening
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: goggle is your friend ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hmm..?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: what goggle?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: night vision goggles?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I think googling something like that makes a flag go up for government agencies tracking internet usage.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: doh!
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Not breaking laws and getting yourself in a soap situation is a better friend than google
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: how about Google :)
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: look up Backtrack 5
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: backtrak 5?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: yup
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: what that
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: CEH linux distro with aircrack and airmon
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: but you'll need a wireless dongle that can inject packets like d-link g122
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: hypothetically speaking of course
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: then if you want to crack wpa, you'll need to either download a pw list or a rainbow table for the brute force attack, wep you'll just need to gather about 13,000 data packets and run a crack algorithm against it, e.g. aircrack-ng
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: its hard :(
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: has anyone used adobe director
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: Does anyone know of or happen to have a global quest rotation plugin for mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: jhav does
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: http://sigma.acornscity.com/
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Heh.  Just added to my eqsorter for CMUD.  Now you can get all by level. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: (From containers, that is).
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You rewrote Madcatz plugin for cMUD?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: More or less.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I didn't rewrite his.  I just scripted a version for CMUD.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: His plugin was just the inspiration. :D
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Although I've had a level search script for quite a while now.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Hi. I need help please/ My spellup plugin doesn't autobuff and I get errors like. Unable to find plugin save state file
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Anyone?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which spellup plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Bast
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i cna't help with that..sorry
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: I had to reinstall my client to try and fix it. Now I lost all my mapper data :(
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Now I must explore all the rooms from scratch
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That's your fault for not learning how to back things up.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: You can bach the mappers data up?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: back*
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: back*
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You can back all your settings up.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: did you delete it to your recycle bin?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Okay it would be appreciated if you can tell me how? I deleted the client and installed it again
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if so, you can resotre it
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Why did you delete the client?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Earlier I could see the date and time of each message on my message tab. How do I get it back?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: It was throwing a bunch of errors
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: one problem at a time fireninja
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: There's instructions on the aard website, on the client download page, which detail how to copy the mapper file and other stuff like aliases to a new install. Better option would have been to rename your old one rather than delete it, then copy the mapper file and aliases over.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Seriously, if you want help, you need to focus on one problem at a time.  You're worse than an ADD kid.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: map .. did you delete it into your recycle bin? or overwrite it?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle is 5 seconds away from washing his hands of it all
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I normally do when dealing with him. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle 's time has expired.  Next customer.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But if he's really trying to change for once, being neglected or shunned isn't going to help him.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie peers intently at Ebullient Etzli.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I am that ADD kid!
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: When I delete it, it goes for good
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I doubt you have the technical know-how on how to bypass the recycle bin.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: I don't like the recycle bin getting full
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: It permanently deletes instead of going to recycle bin (unless I specify)
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: bad decision
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: I hardly delete anything
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no performance hit not to have a recycle bin then
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: well you've lost it.. might as well move forward
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Oh well damage is done :( Time to re-explore :( *sigh* How can I get the date and time to show on chat window?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: right click on it.. see the options
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: If I right click then it gives me a huge error
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: are you running onwindows?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Yes windows 7
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and it's the aardwold flavour of mush by fiendish?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and you got a fresh version just today?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Yes mushclient from aardwolf.com
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Yes
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Yes
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: get the best copyof it from here.. http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/list
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: aardwolf's site can be out of date at times
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: I saw that new version. Each time I try to download it, it stops at 70%
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that's the version to get.. if you're not running that i can't help you
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: I'm trying again, It's at 10% now
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Does that version have all his plugins in?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yep
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Okay thanks :) So I must delete this and try the new version?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: sure
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Got it one sec
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: I got the error again, I load the plugins then it gives me a little window with an error. Unable to load plugin save state file. After that it's a few lines of directories
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: then i think it's aproblem with your plugins
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which.. unless they're mine.. i cna't help you
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: I just downloaded the plugin like that, then added it and got the error
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: okay I'm looking for yours now one sec
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: don't feel like you have to.. and ifyoudo use mine.. uninstall all the others or esle it'll crash mine most likely..
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Okay I have yours
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Indexing skills/spells...
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Skills/spells indexed.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: So, why is my mouse double-clicking like 5-10% of the time that I single-click?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Druzx Tech: the mouse sensitivity is too high?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: don't touch it so firmly if it's too sensitive
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Betrayal Tech: check your mouse's tourettes setting
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Nah, it's right in the middle.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Betrayal twitches nervously.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Druzx Tech: the double-click speed i meant
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Happening on right-clicks, too, I believe
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fuzzy Madcatz nods at Druzx.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: checked that
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Druzx Tech: or it could be the mouse is bad
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: I click once, and the computer thinks I click twice.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: perhaps
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Thanks everythings sorted out :)
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: good to hear
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Can a computer mouse be plug-and-play if it plugs into the green round thingy?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: the mouse port?  yes
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Computer's still have mouse ports, though?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: though.. that is an old mouse
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Yeah, that :P  Just plugged one in, and "add new hardware" isn't finding it
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: really?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: add a standard ps2 mouse i think it's called
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: manually
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: might try rebooting, i've never had those give me a problem
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: with any windows system they should be automatic.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Nods, guess I'll try rebooting
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: OK, rebooting did the trick
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, ps/2 isn't spec'd as a hot plug system, many computers only enable the ports at boot time if something exists
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the past few years, dell hasn't offered ps2 ports on the optiplex models...suddenly they're back now with the 760 series
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone know how the aard mapper handles garbage cans and aard amulets? Does it take these into account if you're running from one are to another when working out the shortest path?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Only if you add them as exits.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: afaik
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: depends on whether you've set them up
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: add them as portals
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: 1) go to portal destination 2) have an alias that gets said portal out of a bag, holds it, enters it, puts it back 3) type "mapper portal <your alias>"
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it will only consider it however if you use mapper goto or click on a hyper link run
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Thanks, just started adding my portals in, wasn't sure how intelligent it was, obviously very...fiendish rocks :)
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: fiendish does rock, but i THINK some of that is Gammon too
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yeah, him too :)
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i recommend having a parameterised alias to handle all your portals too
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: like "goPortal losttime"
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've added one which takes the portal id as a param, a variable for the bag, my dual item and whether to use hold or dual to use it
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: perfeck!
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I tend to use id rather than name though, since name could get the wrong item
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: except.. that your weapons will change over time.. and you'll be constantly updating your portal references
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah.. make a wrapper alias for your detailed alias
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've used a variable for dual weapon, so all I need do is change one thing when I change weapons
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Is there anything in the mapper which can figure out the start room of an area, for use in things like area-based campaigns?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: my soon-to-be-released plugin does
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: Fiendish isn't really into the whole botting thing...
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's not botting
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Surely not botting to automate 'recall' then 'runto' into one easy command?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: anyone know if there were any mapper changes in the mushclient upgrade?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: I tried your inventory plugin Winkle, but it gave me an error now and thenn..also when hovering over items it just said "getting info from mud" and nothing happened
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you could use a technique where the room with the earliest timestamp for instance is probably the first room and entrance room for an area
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i have an inventory plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Duh, didn't you know, Winkle?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, if the light is just right and you squint...you kinda look like Bast.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or Madcatz.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle needs to get with the times!  
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: is it botting if you are writing plugins that you don't write?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Your future self created it, Winkle.  You're currently living in your past self.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that must be it
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: ahh.. tons of changes
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: hmm sorry,may have confused you with someone else.mudding on my android makes me forget stuff. :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli needs to update the package library with the 'lget' and 'lsearch' commands of his own inventory script.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: or it's that damned...
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle glares at Winkle-2000 Idiocy Machine and Smurf Crusher.
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: has anyone worked on adobe premiere
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: ermm
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: why would my command entry window not be showing what i'm typing?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: on mush?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: this will be unplayable until i get theis fixed
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: What is you OS?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: windows 7
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: this was working normally this morning, i drove 8 hours and hooked my computer back up and it broke
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: i haven't changed anything about this except i have my dual monitor here
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: didn't bring it with me on my trip
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: that is literally the only thing that has changed from this morning
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: apart from this unplayable bug
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aruon Tech: is your comp still on dual monitor settings?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: both monitors are working so i assume so
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: where the command prompt would normally be, about half of it is grey instead of white
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: and there is no curos
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: cursor
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aruon Tech: odd, try rebooting or restating the client?
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: bah already did ...will have to wait for fiendish i suppose
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: full screen and un-fullscreen the client
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hi guys
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hello
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lookin back through channel history, this comment confuses me: "Lytebane Tech: Surely not botting to automate 'recall' then 'runto' into one easy command?"
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I thought that's what runprefix is for
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miquiliztli Tech: Maybe they didn't know of Runprefix
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone know anything about 'Windows File Protection' on WinXP? I'm getting a message popping up occasionally, complaining about a file 'MW770.CAT' in system32/catroot/(a big hex number). Everything seems to be running fine.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: does anyone know why my mushclients main output window cannot be resized?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: and the color background randomy turned grey rather than the usual black
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it can?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Have you just upgraded? I had that problem a couple of upgrades ago and restarting mushclient fixed it
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: That's the resize, not the colour problem...never seen that one
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you upgrade without closing mushclient first? because that's a weird problem
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you show me a screenshot I'll know more
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: When it happened to me, I ran the old version to connect and ask on tech and you asked for a screenshot, so I loaded the upgraded version and it worked fine after that. Was a couple of weeks ago, not seen the problem since.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Heh."
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: <img src="http://i.imgur.com/9mLhH.jpg" alt="" title="Hosted by imgur.com" />
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: <img src="http://i.imgur.com/9mLhH.jpg" alt="" title="Hosted by imgur.com" />
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: erm, http://i.imgur.com/9mLhH.jpg
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hah.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle is tempted to slip a goatse imgur link in
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: thank you. give me a minute.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what happens if you reinstall the Aardwolf_Main_Layout plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish patiently twiddles her thumbs.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess that means the problem must be solved, then.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: oh
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: sorry I answered your question on friend talk
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hehe
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: I tried reinstalling the plugin, it did nothing
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: after you mentioned it ofc =)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no error message or anything?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: it just reinstalled fine
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try disable and then enable?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: it seems like everything works fine, except the chat cannot be resizde anymore, and the background is grey
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: didn't do anything
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess you should try upgrading to a newer package. it can be difficult for me to troubleshoot if you aren't using the latest version. https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/list
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: does upgrading my client change any of my settings?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: and plugins etc
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it shouldn't if you follow the upgrading instructions from http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's a section on that page called "Upgrading the client"
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: im actualling using that version already
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no you aren't
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: hrm, i guess that is just a screenshot -- thought 12/13 was the latest vs
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: get the download from https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/list
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: why do all sites suddenly have whitespace obsession?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you mean google code layout?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: whitespace obsession?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: google and slashdot for starters
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "obsession"
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: obsession as "need more whitespace on our site design! now!"
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: text-heavy layouts need white space to be readable
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: of course
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but now they're taking it TO THE MAXXX
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's an important part of typography
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: old gmail templates are readable. slashdot was readable (in a way)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes, yes. i'm just noticing that massive whitespace is a new hip thing
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: everyone's using 1900x1200 + already?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zefoj Heafmo Tech: mmm 1920x10080 does me
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zefoj Heafmo Tech: 1080*
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't dig it since my laptop has 1200x800 resolution. the extra whitespace obsession is just wasting my screen space
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: anyone know a good place to get .wav files to use for trigger notification?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah i do
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: Winkle you are so helpful :)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: http://godwars2.org/sound.php
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: thank you
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: http://www.materiamagica.com/support/downloads/files?folder=soundpacks
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what events are you triggering on?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: mostly quest/gq/double, while inactive
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: just a Hey! looky here something's happening
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i have a channels/quest plugin that you could use as an example.. jsut adapt it further to your needs
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: an aard sound plack plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: plack = pack
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: hehe, that would be wonderful
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: "finger winklewinkle" for www
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: gracias
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: What is a "safe" upper bound on CPU / GPU temps? I have CPU/GPU at 67C , then each of the CPU cores are about 75c
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 90
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that was a fast answer!
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ymmv
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: err, 90 for cpu is way too high
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no it isn't
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your cpu should be rated for up to like 100
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: depends on the gen
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: gpus stand more heat
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Betrayal Tech: its a 386 *flee
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: So mine are fine...my cover doesnt fit properly so I just have it leaning with a gap, is that good/bad for the fan cooling as well?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bad
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: generally bad
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 70-75 is ok for a cpu. it can survive more, but that might cause stability issues. besides, you'd have to overclock it or use shoddy cooling if it ever got that high
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: some amd cpus are designed for higher working temperatures
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Hmm is overcloking worth looking at, if I have 15-20 c to spare ?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: depends on your processor and mobo
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: some clock better than others
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: only if you don't care about if the cpu works correctly
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: just because you cpu/gpu CAN run at high temps, doesn't mean it SHOULD
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: only worth doing if you're a hardcore pc gamer
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but don't use that pc for anything else then
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: a poor hardcore gamer
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: not-poor ones buy bigger processors/cards
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: real hardcore gamers buy the latest cpu and overclock it
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: got a P4 HT 3.0 GHz 800fsb, 1M l2, 775 socket working on 3.60GHz with stock cooling and temp around 75C
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: like i7s :)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but overclocking your cpu will make it do incorrect math, eventually
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's ok if you have cooling under control. many problems come from the heat expansion
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: So no, thank you :)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it starts affecting things at certain temperatures since the components are so close together
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: if you need more performance, get better components
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i've only overclocked for fun. just to see if i could
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: is there any way on aardmush to get the directions to stay on screen so you dont have to constantly hit  direction one after another
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which directions?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_make_it_so_that_commands_stay_on_the_input_line_after_I
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: thanks  just got aardmush  still working through it after cmud
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: what are some good scripts to use with aardmush?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: finger bast and winklewinkle
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khanja Tech: hi, is there a way to know in aard client which font will format things like score correctly?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: look for fixed width fonts... courier, andythign with "console" in it's name
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khanja Tech: ok thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I prefer Dina
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khanja Tech: yeah that looks good, thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: Anyone know how to make mushclient not scroll all the way to the bottom of the output when im scrolling up to check history? (basically whenever new output comes up i have to scroll back up to where I was to check history)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: {invmon}7,606180043,-1,-1 what tag is that?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: help invmon
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I just looked at invmon help, out of curiosity, and it triggered an error in xBroadcast_Inventory
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just had mushclient crash on me, any idea what can cause it? Just disappeared. Has happened about 3 times now in the last few weeks.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: my mush (v1085) is very stable.. do you have any squiffy plugins? infinite loops crash mush
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Only got standard plugins, bast's plugins and the container sort plugin installed...I was mid-runto on a quest when it disappeared.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I am using r1126.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'm on 1124, but the last 2 times was in 1079 I think
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: anyone know which bast plugin it is thats reporting my quests and campaigns and hourly stats?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: statmon or statdb
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: i think statmon thogu
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: thanks vale
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Me again, That other plugins too slow so I tried bast again, Got everything working but bast doesn't cast when spells wear off, only if I type refresh or sleep and wake up again. Now I got another problem. The spellup_miniwin keeps going black, blank?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Anyone?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Only things I can think to check are that you've got tags  and spellups tags enabled, and that all the plugins are loading, should have bast_spellup, miniwin_spellup and xBroadcast_Spellup listed
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: I do but it still gives problems. I missed Bast by 5 minutes :(
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: The internet was down here
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Sorry, no idea other than that.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FireNinja Tech: Okay np thanks for trying to help :( (Though you were the only one, everyone else doesnt want to help)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: And you wonder why no one believes you or likes you, FireNinja.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Anyone know what the commands are for Bast's cp level check?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khanja Tech: is there a way to reset ansi colours in much client?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khair Tech: so I'm buying a new Macbook Pro for school soon (not a PC, I've switched to macs awhile ago on account of my disabilities, particularly on account of the Mac's visual aids)... anyone familiar with the current Pro product line?  I'm so torn between 4GB and 8GB of RAM, not sure if 8 is battery-draining overkill or future-proofing (because of said disabilities, I don't do RAM installation myself, the risk of damaging the computer is too high).
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ram is easy to swap in the future. also,it doesn't drain your battery
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khair Tech: ahh, I had thought that it did pull additional battery down, thank you :).
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it does use a current but it is minimal.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: ummm... what do I do again if I don't want to see these messages?  {sfail}554,0,2,-1
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: fix your spellup script, or if you don't have one that uses tags, tags spellups off
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: ok thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kiruen Tech: I turn them off but they turn themselves on later.. it's annoying (those tags)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: often scripts will turn on the tags required to make them run
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: warlen, that's an issue with one of bast's plugins not initializing its variables properly iirc
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: How can I fix it?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: I dont know why it started happening out of the blue. Just finished a CP then that happened
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's cuz it's the campaign plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: Do you know how I can fix it?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's trying to keep track of how many TPs you've gotten from campaigns, but it has no record of TPs from campaigns to start with
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hafta edit the database or create the variable, but I've gotta look at how for a bit...I thought bast was posting a corrected version of the plugin recently
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: It'd be in one of the plugin states right?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: probably not
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if using statdb, it'll be in the database file itself
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no its in his database
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Vakieh: that bug will be fixed in the next release, if you want to fix it now, edit the stats.db file with a sqlite editor and look for the cp that doesn't have a zero for the tp and change it to zero.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: how can I get an sqlite editor?
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: download SQlite Expert
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://portableapps.com/apps has one that doesn't need to be installed :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, true, but he wouldn't regret the other. It has a lot of perks.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and it's free.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: I dont plan to ever use it again though =)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, both are free...the question is whether he plans to actually muck about in sqlite databases, or just fix this ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that's what you think.
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I am always tinkering with my databases.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aloyrian Tech: anyone familiar with the blowtorch client?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the ;; doesn't work for blowtorch, but why not create a client based alias?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aloyrian Tech: im tryibg to creat a mud-based alias.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: is there a particular reason why you need it to be mud-based?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aloyrian Tech: i suppose i'll have to learn how to do it client side.  that's why.  i dont know how.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sevendar Oladon Tech: Aloyrian, try \; or ~;
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sevendar Oladon Tech: Also, it's going to be easier for you to test it if you just do "gt \;"
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: try pressing the menu button on your phone to access the alias button
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sevendar Oladon Tech: Then see if it shows up on your grouptalk channel as a semicolon
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aloyrian Tech: ok.  I'll try it.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: you can check here for more too http://bt.happygoatstudios.com/?view=aliases
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: 10 points to Oladon.. awesome answer
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aloyrian Tech: i have a triggers button.  probably aliasing.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: you get a row of buttons appearing? the first one is alias for me...
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: triggers act on what the MUD sends you...aliases act on what you type
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aloyrian Tech: just so you know \
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aloyrian Tech: er ...the \ before semi doesnt work on blowtorch
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Process Semicolons?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: err Process Semicolons? When enabled, the service will replace the semicolon character with a newline, allowing multiple commands to be given from a single line. In v1.0.8, semicolons may be escaped with "~", so entering ~; into the input bar will send the ";" character to the server
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: ah, so thats the answer
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which oladon suggested 8 mins ago ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Fairly simple zmud question.  I somehow separated the editor window from the window that shows your aliases and what not...how can I make them the same window again? :p
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: i dont' think those windows are connected
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: They always have been in my Zmud, til I accidentally undid them.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: so if you go up top and hit like variables your Editor window was in there?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: so what happens if you go up to window and hit Editor
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: try resizing the container window.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Sorry, not that editor :p
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: if your in your main zmud window and you go up to the Windows drop down you can select your Editor then click the button on the top right that will keep it on top
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: oohhh haha, well what editor =P
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: oh wait
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Like, the trigger editor.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: just drag that sucker back toward the bottom of the window
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Yeah that's what I though, but that doesn't seem to be working:/
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: drag it to the bottom bar until the outline gets big
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: your talking about the edit class window right
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: The two windows I'm talking about are 1) The window that shows up when you click on "variables" or whatever, that has all your settings.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: And 2) The window that comes up when you click on a variable/alias/trigger/whatever to edit it.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: They used to be side by side, docked together, and somehow I messed that up, and it's irritating :p
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: ok does your main variable window (that lists your variables) have a small file in the lower right corner that has the class name, or says <none>
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Depends what class I'm in :p
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: yea well that's good, just drag the other window on top of the file and release the mouse button
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: that should dock it on the bottom like it is by default
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Fabulous, thank you.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: sweet =P
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: It was annoying as hell having the two windows floating around :p
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siko Tech: any recommendations of good ide to use for html with php scripting?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: don't know of one.. i hear good things about notepad++
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: good language markup
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siko Tech: thanks, checking that out :P currently using dreamweaver.. but i find it a rather big program to open
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i understand that
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Anybody use MUSHclient on Linux with multiple screens?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: i need help insatlling the mush client for ubuntu
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Ought to be easy
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: thnx
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: but i have a slight problem i am trying to install a virtual machine but it says aptdaemon is not workingor has crashed
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: anyone still there??
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: me
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Why not use wine? Easier than a virtual machine unless you have a VM set up already.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Wine works very well with MUSHclient.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: i have tried wine but i need windows software or a windows disk to install
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ... what?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You don't need Windows to install Wine.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siko Tech: how does wine work, if i'm running a mac, do i have to install a copy of windows to use mush on it?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: no Windows needed
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Not sure if wine's on mac, but no. You'd need a copy for a VM, but not wine.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: yeah you do you need to install windows while on wine to make it work
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: News to me. I run wine frequently, and haven't ever...
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: enlighten me
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Install wine. Download the mushclient. Unzip the zip file. Double click the exe.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: wine is installed do i download mush to my desktop
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Wherever you want
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: k then i unzip it
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: but which is the exe
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It's named MUSHclient.exe
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: k 1 sec gotta install a patch
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: er.. for what?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: installing wine some how f***ed up my comp and aptdaemon won't run properly and crash
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: k i opened it with wine and it hasn't started or anything has happened yrt
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: i am told it is not marked as excutable
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Right-click on it
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: and select "open with wine" or something
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: what do you think i did  sat here and picked my butt
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Sounds likely
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: an interesting hobby
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: 'cause you don't need the executable bit for "opening with Wine"
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: ive done it 3 times 
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: the Mushclient.exe right well exe satnds for excutable
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: stands*
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: ya i just figured out i need to edit the permissions befor i launch it!!!
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iceember Tech: thnx guys
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody understand the process by which you mark a shared library as non-executable, yet are able to manipulate code within its functions?  i seen this functionality mentioned and wondered.. well how do they pull that off?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there's this setting on linux that prevents execution of code on a stack, but the ubuntu page i seen mentioned marking a whole object file as nonexecutable, with the lowest common denominator deciding whether the library is executable or not (for the stack)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or gcc
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: instructions always live in .text section , right?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: not always
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i guess i'll have to read more to see what they mean
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i wonder if a system with fully static executable's would be less error prone and faster than one using dynamic executable's
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they have a linux distro like that in some neighbour to austria
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: possibly slower due bigger code
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you would need much more memory
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: not necessarily... statically linking only the _needed_ stuff is linked in.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: would still need more memory
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's possible to tweak code to a individual application though, where a library doesn't allow that tweaking
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so the size maybe alot of bloat that isn't really neccessary
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Ranrr, explain
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: because if you statically link stuff, common code cannot be shared
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: On the other hand, only needed code is brought in.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: that is true for dynamic linking too, anything unused can be paged out
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: wrong
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: in dynamic linking, the whole lib is retained as is
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's something i haven't read about yet with linking, does the whole library get yanked into memory, or does the dynamic linker just look at the symbol table of a library aand load it's file offsets into the virtual memory of the application?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: sure, but unused pages are still paged out
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: 'cause you never know what exactly is going to be needed.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: oh, you mean paged out.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: also, static linking might violate licences that dynamic linking doesn't
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: So you think swapping is a good strategy to deal with memory issues?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: no, but paging is
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Pray tell, what's the difference?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: swapping means to move an entire application to disk, paging just works with single (4k typically) pages
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: modern OSs page, not swap
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and with dynamic linking, with one copy of the c code residing in memory, does each application feed it's input to the same copy grafted into it's own virtual memory, or do they get a duplicate copy of that cache'd function?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: they share a copy of the code, but they get their own set of dynamic data (variables)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Okay, let's rephrase. So you think writing stuff to hard drives (a couple ordrers of magnitude) is a good idea to deal with issues that could be possibly avoided?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cool
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Best is to have lots of memory
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: heheh
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But depends on what you're doing
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: E.g. if it's a realtime system, a webserver or a workstation, the answer is differetnt
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so in a function with 5 applications or so accessing it at the same time, the scheduler would pause - save the register's and stack of the calling process on that function into it's process database entry, then open up another process, which might have that same function in memory open, and restore it's current level of function completion/register state?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i read a little bit of a 2.4.18 kernel book from o'reilly i have year, a few years ago, that seems to be the process i remember, trying to piece it together
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeah, pretty much.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Although I believe modern processors make it slightly more complesleep bed
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: oops
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: har har
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i was reading that the syscall function on amd64 machine's speeds up the system call interface with a kernel
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Modern processors have build in functions for virtualization and so on, that are also used for these things. Haven't studied it in detail tho.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they have a more direct path to the kernel which is faster than the software interrupts or something like that
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Haven't really done assembler since 6800 and sparc. Those processors you could understand how they worked.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that sounds interesting, they are complex
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: 68000
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i downloaded some intel manuals for my 64 bit processor em64t, and they're thousands of pages long
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeah, those are probably more for reference
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: how anybody lol i hope so, trying to memorize that would be a big chore
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i have a ti-86 calculator here that you can write programs in assembly for
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's pretty simple compared to this here big calculator
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cizra has written machine code, a patch for a closed-source game \o/
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Try to find some good book on modern x86 architechture
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: at least one person has tried for 64 bit
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: And let me know the title :)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or i seen one book mentioned on it
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I miss assembler hacking on the Vic-64, that was fun :>
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm using a x86_64 abi from x86-64.org, for reference, a 32 bit assembler tutorial for instructions (which i translate/refer how to translate into 64 bit)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and i found a guide from a university that also has a little info on it, otherwise using the internet and putting 2 and 2 together
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: that works
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: assembly is fun, it's what other languages get turned into, and it's very exact
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: one little mistake and the whole program can go poof
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeah, but not very useful for PCs and so. Not many people do assembler for a living.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But if you want to work with embedded systems, it's another thing.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i learn it because it's useful and explains more in depth what's going on, and can be used to further study operating systems and filesystems and stuff like that, nice and low level programming which i want to do
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Sure, but most OS programming is done in C, not assembler.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: 99.999% or so of the linux kernel is in C.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i plan on programming in C too :)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the gcc -S output for a C hellow world program is pretty intense, lots of sections and symbol's used that i didn't put into my own little assembly file
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: which means there's alot to look up and try to understand there
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: yup
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: the compiler puts some unneccessary stuff in there
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: at least unncessesary for helloworld
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: one thing that was and probably will be difficult in using assembly, is getting the C calling convention down for 64 bit, i guess i have to have the stack pointer aligned at a 16 byte boundary for every function call (something to learn how to do) because of some peculiarity with double memory accesses ? and/or the double data type
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: for printf function on 32 bit, you'd just push the format string in last on the stack, with all other arguements preceding it, but with 64 bit for a printf call, you put the format string in %rdi, integral arguements up to 5 more go in %rsi,%rdx,%rcx,%r8,%r9, and %rax holds the amount of registers containing floating point arguements
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's for the var_args construct
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Different calling conventions are different.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It's not only a x86_64, but OS or executable loader thing.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: then you have to save some registers in your functions and can expect some saved in some calls
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, every system has its own implementation of the language
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: looking at ibm syntax for a line of assembly code, i wonder where's the $ for a immediate mode operand, and where's the % for a register - just thing's you got to remember i guess
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: movl $3, %eax makes more sense to me because you're putting something into something else - where movl eax, 3 , you're putting into something something and it seems strange without the symbols
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but with one understood the other can be understood too
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they say in 2009 or so, there was approximately 480 exobyte's of data transferred on the internet, and there is estimated to be approximately 450 exobyte's of data stored on media
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i heard about some international study that they say (maybe relating to geology) will generate many exobytes of data per month or week or every 2-3 days
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 365 days in a year, 2 days of research 1 exobyte, half a year of exobyte transferrs for research alone + 500 - 600 exobytes of alternative traffic in a year, 850 or so exobytes of transfer this year?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's a shitload of information
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: zfs and hammer filesystem both seem to be able to handle exobyte sized filesystems
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: how many bits is an exobyte?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 1000 terrabytes isn't it?  * 1000 gigabytes
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: 1024 petabytes.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 024*
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: oh, so more? 
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't have a window here
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: 1 quintillion bytes
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: isn't it 1000 petabytes, so 1 million TB
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yikes
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: or 10^18
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: gonna need an exponential equation to calculate the exponents soon enough
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: that's the least of the problems with storage
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: a supercomputer to calculate the relative offset of a base generated by another supercomputer
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: the problem with storage, as I see it, is that even though capacity is increasing fast, access times and transfer rates are not increasing as fast
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: well, maybe some day people'll just cvs checkout the internet once a day or so sans the temporary file's like streaming game data and chat systems/private email
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you mean git clone I hope
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: this here computer i'm using now would be like a few football fields of computer's in the 1950's with a full time staff, woulnd't it?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they sure seem to have come a long way lookin at them old pictures anyways
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: don't thinmk a football field is enough
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you have more computing power in your microwave oven than they used at the first moonlanding
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i was watching a show on trucking one night, and the manager said the truck this one guy was going to drive had more computer's in it than nasa had on its space craft in the apollo missions
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the pervasive computing deal i seen mentioned might be part of that, integrating it into everyday thing's without people having to know it's even there
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they have researchers out there for that, and i suspect it's not porno, just a word they use for integrating technology into society
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the stabilizers and safety mechanisms and things like that require specialists to upkeep - which puts mechanics out of work doesn't it/  the operation of the engine isn't as mechanical anymore, with every gadget bing mediated by a microchip and protocol
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: just get a new chip or send it in for repairs
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it has it's possible benefits and also possible costs all of this integration, like the question of how many people are required to have a cell phone - and how do the telecom companies get away with charging a receiving cell phone owner for a call sent by a sending cell phone owner, at the distance rate of the sender, while if they were using their home phone that rate wouldn't exist, they'd pay the flat default low rate of receiving a call
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech the signal for the cell phone travels to your nearest cell phone tower which puts your signal into a ground line and sends it along its way like a ground line until it hits the other tower on the receiving end, and is modulated into the signal of their cell phone
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: only in the US is the receiver charged for cell calls
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the receiver shouldn't be paying beyond their local calling prices to receive a long distance call on ac ell phone
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: in canada too
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ok. But in europe and asia, only the caller is charged afaik.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Unless you travel outside your own country.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Paying to receive a call is insane.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: thing's are just different then, cause here a person calling from a local number, located in a different calling zone, to a cell phone in this here area where their number is 'local', the receiver and the sender both get charged long distance
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 87 bucks a month for only receiving long distance calls on one bill i seen
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and those long distance calls were all from a number registered in this vicinity
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i agree
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: NA is way behind the rest of the world when it comes to telecom pricing.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I couldn't get a bill of 87 bucks no matter how hard I try.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Unless I call Australia for hours a day.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i can see the cost of a local transmission rate, as though you were sending a local call, at the most.. maybe not even that if you don't get charged for receiving a local call
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but long distance rates?  that doesn't add up
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lots of people have only cell phone's and don't use ground lines anymore
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: The legislators in Europe are doing a better job of making sure the telecoms don't screw you.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe the cost of the required cell phone in addition to their home-use ground line was too much and they ditched the extravagance
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the cost of using a pay phone in canada doubled from 1 quarter to fifty cents in the last decade for a local call
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: no big deal, just cents, but it's double - what if it was 25 dollars?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: We don't have pay phones anymore, nobody was using them so they were removed.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Everyone has a cell phone.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they own the pay phone booth, and the line's it's connected to, why would they complain about maintenance costs required to double the price of the dwindling pay phone users, that migrated to cell phone's?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: do they pay rent to the business that they have their booth outside as their only reason?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i think canada is following that path
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Not now, maybe later.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but that isn't good news to people who had some nickels and dime's but not a cell phone
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Actually, maintaining a phone booth probably costs way more than you can ever make from it.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: So, if I was a telecom, I'd remove mine unless I was required to have them by legislation.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that is possible, but what if they said to the business, if you maintain this here booth and keep it from harm and we stop by and collect the nickels once a week, then it can stay?  if the place is a bus stop they might decide that having 100 people asking to use the phone is a little much
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or a bar or whatever, lots of reasons people might have some change but not a cell phone
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Everyone has a cell phone here. I mean everyone.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: If a business wanted a phone booth, they can get one themselves and empty it.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Doesn't need to be run by the telecom.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I still think we have a few of those around here.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: aha, now the business become's an individual entity, cause it's profitable to the telecom corporation that the business picks up the burden of the inconvenient unleased phone booth on their newly leased line to the prospective customer
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but.. the telecom see's a disadvantage in having locally owned isp's, which offer a heavy burden of unsteady interrnet traffic on their leases to their line's and a high maintenance fee.. which the private isp is maintaining of its customer's - a new type of tab
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the telecom sees that the little isp's are a big inconvenience and reallly ,why should they even exist?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: though, if the isp picks up the bit here, they'll be paying the maintenance fee's that used to be used for emptying phone booth's on a much higher scale in supporting the customer's from their various call centres across the globe
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hi guys,anyone know,where can i get a full range for the facebook proxy ip list?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I doubt phone booths have ever been an important business. Except maybe for building a brand.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so, .. telecom wants to pay more money to please the customer's?  then why is a phone booth on a line that make's them botomless bank accounts be such a big deal, servicing the commuter?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they could be important if you're out in the middle of nowhere and need to make a call
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: For you, not for the telecoms.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so why doesn't the government say, hmm, we see what's going on here.. we see that this isn't very equal playing field and you're shorthanding our own national interests
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: those line's are all buried on a convention of a lease to a foreign investor
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there's no reason the nation couldn't fund a replacement, and send telecom's line's over to their front door on a freighter
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: half price of what telecom make's today ought to be plenty initiative for citizen to reroute their service bill's to a government expansion plan
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: because US legislators don't care about you, thy care about which business funds their election campaigns?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: with a nice and solid service provider and highway maintenance like agreement to guarantee stability and long-lasting service expectation's are met
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You probably need more ISPs. That's a big part why internet access and telephony is much cheaper in europe and asia, we have more providers. 
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's how it seems, telecom here doesn't have canada's interest in mind for instance, who needs pay phone's at the bus stop in a strange town?  lost your wallet , got mugged?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so, government can take away this foreign government's telecom strategy and ask people if they're foreign or canadian
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Who cares if it's "foreign"?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: do you care how your nike's got on your feet?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the family's i seen about on tv might, but the end user doesn't really know
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I don't care if they are foreign.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: who care's if it's foreign?  cheap labour over there?  lots of money to be hand, invest invest!
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: who can we cut off as an expenditure to our yearly trip around the world?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I live in a  small country. We are not scared of competition.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they're expendable, they're not of our nation
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: people aren't always too trustworthy
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: should have taken that to debate, lol, telecom i wasn't so sure, business strategy with what i remember from the news
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: oh well, something to think about anyways, lots of people seem to 
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: start your own isp
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i use a private isp now, maybe i'll go and get my network+/a+/linux+ and things like that, ibm linux professionals dgree
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: see in the future, i wouldn't mind working for something like that
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: another thing that come's to mind about 'who care's if it's foreign', is the idea that so much infrastructure of a modern nation is built around technology and telecommunication's, and by relying on foreign telecomm service's, your whole nation is basically built around serving a member of another nation, and by implication that nation itself
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: because you rely on them, thing's you don't understand (or are for some reason incapable of performing yourself), such as development of the tehcnology and servicing of its components
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: adequate training for your own citizens in the common understanding of how it all is linked together into the rest of the world's telecommunication's and technologies
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you seem very focused on your country, what makes you think that's a good entity to rely on?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm not really, i'm just thinking in term's of who i pay my taxes too, and who they seem to be paying theirs to, along with the citizen's who also pay taxes directly or indirectly to both
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i mean, i don't hate my country or anything, but i was thinking in more general term's , since the technology and communication's seems to be an international thing
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, that's a challenge for the nations of the future.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Maybe it's time to stop with this country nonsense
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: It was a short lived idea anyway.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it'd be a very big challenge, if they were populated by people dependent on infinitely complex technologies and only people from another nation could service the tools' they were raised learning how to use
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: learning through even
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: all nerds in all countries are the same. If nerds are needed, they will come.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lets hope the good nerds outweigh the bad, or at least have more of an impact
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Technology isn't a secret for a country.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: All nerds are good. Only managers are evil.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hi guys,anyone know,where can i get a full range for the facebook proxy ip list?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Any Linux+MUSHclient users around?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blingking Tech: guys what host an port number should i use for blowtorch?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: ok i just opened my aardmush and my automapper and everything is gone. how do i get them back
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Rolst: The mapper and everything is gone?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: mapper show
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: no that didnt work
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: resetaard
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: no that didnt do it either
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I think his files are missing or corrupted.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: press ctrl+shift+P
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: This is why you should always have a backup of your gaming files.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Is there any plugins loaded?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: all plugins are gone
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Sounds like they are not loaded.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: how do i do that?  i just started using mushclient from cmud and i still havent worked it out yet
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Did you download MUSHclient from Aardwolf's website or http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/list
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: from website
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Rolst: Did you do much with MUSHclient yet?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: no i just started playing with it yesterday when my cmud started acting up 
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Speaking of CMUD, in a day or two, I'm going to update the eqsort package in the library.  The new update will include lsearch (search by level in containers), lget (get all of a certain level from a container) and a bag management system.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You can use the google website to get a fresh version of it. I am using that version right now.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: so i need to delete it and reinstall>
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I would and this time. Make a backup folder with the files. I do it with everything.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i really should start scripting again
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers with HelperMan Hadar about their shared secret.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'm actually quite pleased with my eqsorter.  It was easy to write up, too... :P
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: ok   i got it i just had to find the file location that i had saved it in and reopen from there 
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: what are some good plugins and scripts to get for aardmush?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: etzli i extended madcat's container sort script with an lgive function.. it's quite useful when a friend needs eq outta their bag but doens't have the script
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at WinkleWinkle.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: .. if you hadn't added that to your script yet.. 
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: what are some good plugins and scripts to get for aardmush?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Bast's plugins.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: bast has a complete library of useful plugins, I also have some... finger bast or winklewinkle for our rls addresses...
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: rls = www  ... i don't know how that happened
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: rls is my wife's initials.. i must've been thinking of her at that moment... *tired baby brain*
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: ok and conder me a complete retard when coming to this   what is best way to download and use them?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: they are xml files.. so you first read their instructions.. and if thye are just an xml file you save them in your \worlds\plugins\ dir
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: My next trick is going to sort first by level and second alphabetically! *blink*
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: then hit COntrol-shift-p to open plugins manager and add them
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Are you using vanilla mushclient or the Aard version of mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: aard version
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Oh, nvm, you said aardmush
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Bast's plugins need to be downloaded, unzipped, and place into the MUSHclient>world>plugins folder. To load them, go to filer>plugins and click on add and search for the folder the plugins are located in.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah.. look for instructions with the plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: ok  i think i can follow that   
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: so if i download bast's zip file it contains all the plugins right?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: It contains all of Bast's plugins.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You can pick a choose which ones you wish to use.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle just finished v1 of his mob to room mapper.. making it public soon
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: when i play a game in an hd resolution other than 1080p the width gets stretched on my monitor but the height doesn't, where is this handled in windows ? the game itself,my monitor or video card?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i don't know
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: if you're playing at anything other than max resolution, make sure the resolution is set to the same ratio as max
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: yeah, sounds like aspect ratio
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: then things won't look stretched, if you have to play at a different ratio, play in a window (instead of fullscreen)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: 1080p is 16:9, btw
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: i checked my monitor is set to 16:9 , the game doesn't haven't an option
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: what game?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: witcher 2
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: don't know much about that one but if it doesn't offer you a resolution you like, you can try to force a custom one, i'd google it if I were you :)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: try 1920x1200
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: it's not quite 16:9 but it's close
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: that's what I run all my games at
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle plays at 640x480
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: or you could try 1280x720 if your monitor supports it (its 16:9)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: although that's mostly used for laptops
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: i tried both 1600x900, 1280x720 , i can run 1080 but was just benchmarking and noticed it was squished
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: what's the max resolution of your monitor? is it an LCD or CRT?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: 1080, lcd
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: best to stick with the max res, lower settings as needed
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: if it's looking 'squished' while running at maz resolution try running it in a maximized window, instead of in 'fullscreen' mode
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: yeah looks fine in max, just the other 16:9 resolutions
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: did you actually try the game in those other resolutions or just run the bench?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: tried them just using fraps to check the fps
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Minnesota hacker Barry Ardolf was sentenced to an 18-year term in a federal prison this Tuesday. Ardolf had terrorized a neighboring family for two years through a carefully planned campaign involving a hijacked Wi-Fi network to harass, frame and embarrass the next-door neighbors in every facet of their lives.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: is this noteworthy because his name sounds like aardwolf?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: 18 years??
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sounds about right to me :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: that's insane
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but not insane for him to spend 2 years systematically terrorizing them?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how long should he get if he kidnaps someone for only 1 week?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: and they didn't know about it ?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: or couldn't password protect wifi network ?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: wifi networks, are notoriously easy to crack
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I can be in your password-protected wifi network pretty quickly...
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and most people aren't tech-savvy enough to know WHAT he's doing
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and there's a big difference between "knowing about it" and being able to do anything about it
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: but well, they should've known he's terrorizing them
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that makes it better?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: how exactly did he terrorize them?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: yes, they had 2 years to deal with it
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: he kept changing the name of his wifi hotspot to "Neighbors SUXXX!".. for 2 years
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: knowing that you're helpless doesn't make you less helpless
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you'll be in someone's WEP protected network pretty quickly :P
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: throw wifi away ?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: buy knowing that you're helpless if the first step to not being helpless :)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: i don't understand he named his wifi network neighbors suck and got 18 years for it?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: No, he hacked their wifi and talked about how he kissed their son.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah. beware!
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he planted kiddy porn
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: He tried to frame them for child porn and other stuff.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he emailed their coworkers as them
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he did a hell of a lot, for a hella long time
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: I can do that too, don't need wifi for that :)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he deserves every minute he got
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: rapists and murderers get less
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: anadorr, who said anything about wifi being the core of the case?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 18 years is a bit extreme. that's not a punishment, that's a life ruined
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: He tried to ruin their lives.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it SHOULD be a life ruined
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: even 1 year in jail would be pretty extreme for a script kiddie
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: being a script kiddie isn't what he's being jailed for
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Dagnir, he planted kiddy porn.  Script kiddie or not, he was planting evidence, framing others, which would have ruined THEIR lives if the FBI thought they were guilty.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm not saying that he'll do too much time
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's what you do with it that gets you jailed
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i also hear that he teabagged other players in online halo as them
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: just stating that even a year would be pretty bad for a script kiddie
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he emailed death threats to the vice president as them...
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: all he did was sending emails
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, not all he did
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i think once he accessed child porn it's "throw away teh key" time
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just some of the examples given, not the sum total of the work
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Emailing death threats to Joe Biden (vice president) is criminal, too.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: So is sending a love letter to the wife of the heir to the throne via a pirate in one Australian state
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i hear he did that too
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: death threats - call an fbi or a police
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, Authorities also found documents containing personal information about Ardolf.s previous neighbours, including their Social Security numbers, and a letter reading, .I told you about a year ago that you should be very afraid. I can destroy you at will..
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: anadorr, that's how he was caught
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: stupid neighbours kept silent for 2 years, I just can't believe that
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the fbi was brought in when he threatened biden
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Anadorr: That's the problem.  He was hacking into his neighbor's wifi and planting the evidence on them.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: epic fail
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: anadorr, you have to actually know stuff first
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hmmm i might try this stuff out on my neighbours
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: best ssid is "i can see you wanking". instant paranoia all across the block
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers with Seltsimees Dagnir about their shared secret.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or you could do FBISurvVan :P
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: heh, you could even set up another virtual one that says "yeah, i can see that as well"
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli cackles gleefully at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: See how many shut their blinds with "I see through your windows"
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hehe, and install a 360 degree outdoor antenna
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: for maximum range
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GreenAcid Tech: what was the link for duckbats mccp thing
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: board tech, note from duckbat
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone know why I've got several aliases added called '#alias' and '#trigger'. There's 4 of each, and from a brief glance, they all look the same
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: if you upgraded to the new client they are added automatically
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, thanks, just so long as they're supposed to be there that's alright, I was just curious since I've not noticed them before
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: I erased them, but they do appear to be fairly useful, can always save them in a file for later
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: what is a more secure alternative to wep?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: wpa
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: FootLong Cheezburger runs away in utter terror!
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: what i don't understand is...how can a 128 bit key be broken in a matter of minutes?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: that should be impossible
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: unless the algorythm is flawed
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: then with many packets of data you can start to workout patterns
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and WPA is flawed unfortunately
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: No 128-bit keys have ever been brute-forced.  That doesn't mean there aren't a kadzillion other ways to attack a protocol, or that a key being "128 bit" means the cryptosystem using it is worth spit.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: obligatory XKCD http://xkcd.com/538/
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I could code up a Caesar cipher using a 128 bit key in a couple minutes.  You wouldn't have a prayer of guessing the key, but you could still recover the cleartext in less time than it took you to read any word of this sentence.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mouseover is my reality :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I always laugh at the people who are so paranoid that they work nonstop on their encryption...seriously, nobody gives a crap about you :P
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: My health bars plugin has just stopped displaying...just getting a black rectangle, no borders or anything, but it's still accepting mouseovers and showing popup info. Tried reinstall buttons in File/Plugins, then disable/enable, then removing and re-adding, but still nothing.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I never act paranoid.  It attracts the attention of the Evil Five.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You rapidly nod twice at Not an Imm Erikson, in complete agreement.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: erikson maybe find the id of the plugin and delete the matching file from \worlds\plugins\state\ ?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Lytebane i mean,  maybe find the id of the plugin and delete the matching file from \worlds\plugins\state\ ?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Not an Imm Erikson is pretty sure there're no files on his system with backslashes   :p
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I have had issues with Bast's plugins the Spellup, Events, and Tabwin just going blank and be a black miniwindow.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: until that guy hacks your wifi and terrorises you by changing your /'s to \'s
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle in his presence.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Lucky for me, I don't have wifi.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The only way to fix the issue was to get the plugin's id, close MUSHclient, delete the state file with the plugin's id, and re-open MUSHclient.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle is getting de-ja-vu
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've seen it a couple of times with bast's spellups, but this is the first time with any standard plugins, Restarting mushclient should fix it, same as with the spellups, but thought I'd mention it here first.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: one thing i've learned is that everyones mushclient is different and each one has one thing wrong or very different about it...
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yep, restarting mush fixes it, didn't need to remove the state file though.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I would love to see a mini-window setup for an inventory display.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i had assumed you'd restarted
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: turie, gammon wrote one years ago
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Turie, do you use the container sort plugin? I was in the middle of sorting my bag when it went blank, though could be a coincidence.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Abelinc: I know. It is buggy too. Blainer wrote one that was a little better. Bast took the mini-window setup from that to build his plugin setup.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Lytebane: It did nothing for me.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I just did sort.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, then you wouldn't love to see a miniwindow setup for an inventory display...you'd love to see a better miniwindow setup for an inventory display :P
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'd write one if i did mini-windows
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: container sort uses invdata, health bars use gmcp, can't see how they'd be related
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: WinkleWinkle: You can take a look at Blainer's.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Probably just a coincidence then. I've grabbed a screenshot anyway, in case fiendish wants to see one.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: http://code.google.com/p/aardinvwin/downloads/list
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he doesn't do miniwindows because of visual issues
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what is it that you don't like about blainer's?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Abelinc: It crashes.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just the plugin, or does it take down mush?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Winklewinkle: You might like to take a look at Moshu's inventory setup. It is a bit spammy and just shows on the main screen.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Abelinc: The plugin at times and has locked up MUSHclient.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, what would be the advantage of inventory in the main window...it's already there when you type inv
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: thanks Turie
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Abelinc: It has click id and a few other things.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: w00t! New servers for the mud. That should hel with killspeed :)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: nb joke
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk at his saying.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Someone Semoene Tech: A friend's zmud freaks out on him when he launches it, he has to use the installer to do it. Otherwise it'll give him some error messages. How do you fix this? :o
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: has to use installer to lauch zmud?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: rather hard to say without knowing what these 'some error messages' are...
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: more than likely he's got a corrupted layout file (.lay) OR a corrupted settings file (.mud)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if it's the former, just delete the file and make a new one (since the windows will no longer be where he wants them)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: try reinstalling to a new directory, instead of the old one
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Someone Semoene Tech: Okay. I asked him what kind of messages so he had to redo it.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if it is the latter, have him check out the Migration Guide (zuggsoft.com, support menu, zmud support, choose Migration Guide link)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: one important thing to take note of regarding the Migration Guide is that it doesn't work if the .mud file is TOO corrupted.  If that's the case, he'll just have to bite the bullet and remake everything by hand (entirely by scratch or by saving the salvageable bits and pieces he can find via Notepad)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if neither of those fixes his problems, he probably has a corrupted sessions database.  He'll need to delete the chardb.mdb file (I'm none too sure of the filename now, though).  ZMud will recreate the install-default version, and he'll need to remake all the sessions he had (all his old files are there, they just need to be reassigned to the newly-created session)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Someone Semoene Tech: here is his error: error: access violation at 0x76D42200 (tried to write to 0x00050FAC), program terminated.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Someone Semoene Tech: I have no idea what that means :x
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Contraband Psycola Tech: any ideas as to why my communication stuff isn't going into the log but goes on the main window instead or better yet how to fix it|? I'm using the latest version (I think) of MUSH (4.75)
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Right click on the Communication Log and highlight Logging to File and Enable.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Contraband Psycola Tech: looks like it's already enabled, there was 3 options the 1st of which was disable
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Go to MUSHclient>logs and look for AardwolfChatLog.txt file.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: That is the file it goes to.
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: I just upgraded client and installed a couple plugins that I have since disabled. Getting {sfail}# messages when i fail spells, {affoff}# messages when buffs fade, and {affon}# messages when buffs are gained. Any insight?
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: help spelltags
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: mmm, that's not it
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tags spellups off...help tags
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: until you load a spellup plugin, which will then use (and gag) the tags
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: thanks very much
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siko Tech: am using wine to run mush, but i'm getting pretty screwed up graphics, is there anything i can do? -> http://i53.tinypic.com/14e9v8p.png
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: wow, that's interesting, I can't help but it looks like you need to take your monitor and shake it.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try starting mush with the /wine flag
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I'd go with Abelink's advice, he's above average
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siko Tech: sorry abe, how do i do that - new user :P
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cd into your mushclient directory, then wine mushclient.exe /wine
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Heh, cd...
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siko Tech: let me try that
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I don't think it'll actually fix the issue, but worth a shot ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: never actually used wine.. funcitons like a cmd prompt?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aruon Tech: How customizable is the MUSH client
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no pastamant
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: or more like a dosbox?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aruon, infinitely customizable
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pastaman, you don't do anything in wine
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: My understanding is that wine is the environment to run Windows applications natively on Linux
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: it is.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: from a user-interface standpoint, wine is just a launcher
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Well, not natively.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: Ah okay
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aruon Tech: I just got it the other day to play this on something other than AL client, and it intrigues me
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's *one* environment to run windows applications on linux, anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: Cheezburger: If Wine is really a Linux app, then it is native because it is running under Linux OS
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siko Tech: okay tried that, didn't work haha :P
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pastamant, wine is native, wine doesn't let you run applications native
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: but what you said was to run windows aps natively, The windows aps aren't natibe.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Let's restart the "is wine an emulator" discussion!
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: native*
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's easy, it is :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: no, it isn't
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ranrr laughs out loud.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: It is, Ranrr
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: Cool.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siko Tech: but i'm running wine on mac
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: Ah wine, emulator of destiny. A goodly slosh and one's fate is in one's own hands...
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I'll buy that, Salvanas!
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: ... or so one thinks, until one wakes up with a jackhammer in one's head...
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: nerd wars are cute at first, but get old quickly, lets try to resolve Siko's issue instead.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: So, what other ways are there to run windows apps in linux, Abe?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: vmware, virtualbox, dosbox for some stuff, etc
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: ok, just checking that I hadn't missed any :)
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are more, hence the 'etc' ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: qemu would be yet another, but an exhaustive list would take more research than listing stuff off the top of my head ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: aren't you supposed to research the stuff when we ask them on tech?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: it'd save me a lot of google time
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I leave that to my lackeys
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You prod Mieko into action!
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mieko smiles.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Undertaken Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo at Mieko.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I would really only say that running under wine is running under linux. If you run it in an emulator as virtualbox, you're really running your app in windows, not linux. 
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rascally Ryke Tech: Is there a way to.. say.. force the command box in Mushclient to wrap lines at 79 characters?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you mean for notes, not easily
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rascally Ryke Tech: Yeah, that was my intention. :s If I could stand to have the main window on the left side of the screen, I'd just use the ruler function.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and you wouldn't want that on unless you're in note mode, since it'd make doing something like this tech line incorrect
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you compose a note, it puts a line of ~s to show you how much room you have
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but IMO it's best to compose notes in a text editor, then paste 'em in when they're done
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rascally Ryke Tech: Ah.. that's what I've been doing. 
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's even a note formatter on Aard's site that will put in the carriage returns for you
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Rascally Ryke blinks innocently.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: main page, click mud resources, click note formatter
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rascally Ryke Tech: I did not know this! Hm.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rascally Ryke Tech: Excellent. Thanks, Abe.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Just downloaded mush and am pretty confused. At the moment, I'm just trying to get commands to repeat without having to retype them. Looked in view, input, display... no luck so far. Anybody know how to do it? Can't help but think that it must be pretty simple.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: it is under input, commands, tick the box auto-repeat commands
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: alt-0 and click repeat command on the upper right.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Ahh, thanks. I didn't find where it shows alt+0 to open the new field. 
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: There is the box for Keep Commands On Prompt Line too in that window.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Rhavage: alt-0 is the macro for opening that window. It is like ctrl-shift-P for opening the plugins.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Thanks, Turie
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I don't get thanks? =(
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie thanks Kurojiryuu heartily.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie spanks Kurojiryuu playfully.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu laffs.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: general tip when soldering: molten metal is hot
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: see how long you can keep the metal on your tongue
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I generally do not solder with my tongou, but I'll try that next time :>
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Everyone Tech: Is there any way to point out a door in the Mushclient mapper?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: is there ever!
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Everyone Tech: Do tell! ^^
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: to open a door north. .. "mapper cexit open n;n"
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: to open a door north. .. "mapper cexit open n;;n"
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: note the 2 ;'s
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Everyone Tech: hmms, so just remove the normal exit then?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: mushclient will check your added cexit first, no need to remove the old one
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it'll look for a cexit before a normal exit
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: also, it's better to point it to an alias that does 'open n;n', so you can reuse it
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I'm not sure i agree it's much of a time/space saver  .. ihave an alais to map the doors call "mco *"
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: I type mapper cexit <alias>, quicker for me, but yes, it's preference
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Hi, techies. I've got a bit of a problem. My cmud won't open. I get a message that says: Error while unpacking program, code 2. Please report to author.  Does this look familiar to anybody? I sent zugg a note this morning, haven't heard anything.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Hmmm. This silence is unnerving :P
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Before I go making my own - anyone know if there is a afk reply plugin in tintin++, I'd like to keep my spellups up, so can't use built in afk command
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you checked cheezburger's site?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, WTF is with cheez's URL?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's a url shortening site
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, nvm, it was a weird advert thing
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, it went to the shortening site, but was for something really weird and no obvious "click to get past"...
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: OH LOL. I was waiting for it to redirect me, thought that add was from the redirect.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: second time I loaded it, it had a usual popup that then led to the right site
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doesn't look like he has an autoresponder up, though
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think he uses one, so might wanna contact him about it
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Okies will do thanks!
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (just don't get the chatbot version that borked him a couple weeks ago }:>)
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: LOL! My textbook is talking about Gopher, WinSock, and SLIP/PPP 
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Irys falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: gopher's still a valid protocol, actually.  You can see it in action if you attempt to download a file via an invalid link.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: probably one of the wider security breaches in the Internet, too.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Technical question for you guys - is there any need to run scheduled virus scans if I have real time virus protection on.  In theory the real time should catch anything before I open anything right?  Or does the virus scan compare against more options?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: is there a way to run lua from command line in win 7 i have the libraries installed
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: never tried... interesting idea though
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: so any theories as to why my screen fades out occasionally but sometimes when i change the position of the screen its ok... laptop
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: loose wiring?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: wondering if maybe the soldering is breaking down 
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: check the motherboard i guess
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: do you notice other things, like having to recharge a lot or the clock not staying set?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it certainly sounds like a loose connection.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: did you drop it or bang it?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sometimes doing that causes the welds to crack
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: same thing happens to speakers
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: with a shared static library, if you have two calls to functions in your main program in that library out of 8, do all 8 sections of the ld library.o mainprogram.o -o mainprogram that contain the 6 functions you don't use, get added to the main program by the linker?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the entire file is always included, whether you actually use it or not.  This is why software becomes bloated.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i figured so, maybe particular implementations do it differently, since it seems like it could be done differently
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: like statically linking a file that prints hello world to a non-dynamic libc , would include every function in libc even though you only use the one function from it in your program file
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's good to know, and with dynamic linking - i see that there seems to be 3 types
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes.  If someone does things differently, it's because they are using someone else's file or they made one in-house.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: linking, period, includes the whole file.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the first it seems, is when your symbol's get associated with a library file at linking time and a dynamic linker is loaded by the kernel from the header information, to load some functions located in a library file into your address space, before executing the program
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: here, does the entire library get loaded into memory and grafted into the address space of the executable, or only that printf function in that example, by the dynamic linker, in this first type?
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's an OS thing, basically separate from your app (but otherwise doing the same thing that you would do)
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the whole file.
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: teh whole file gets grafted, or is loaded into memory?  i can see it all being pulled into memory for lookups and stuff, but if a program only uses two functions out of it, it could be either way seemingly
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: loaded into memory.  Your app will only have a pointer, which will probably just be an API call (which in itself is a function in a kernel DLL)
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: hmm, cool
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: alot of that is currently out of my scope, with the global descriptor table in a register and stuff, but i'm trying to find some basic mechanics of it so i can use it with less curiousity
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: through*
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: DLLs are separate...umm, namespaces? (not sure I have the term right)...any includes are basically a COM model, going through the OS in all cases (your app-->OS-->dll)
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and the other two type's of dynamic linking, seem to be dynamic loading, where a program can specify and selectively load a library function from an 'arbitrary?' library, or one coded into itself at link time, on the fly
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and one that doesn't resolve a library function to a grafted address until it is first referenced by a program, once it reaches that point in the program, it seems
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i guess an example of something like the dynamic loading could be a perl module or a browser add on in mozilla
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: those would be entire files, though
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech the first reference seems a bit more difficult though, would it be used for something like a branch of code that is hardly ever reached and really shouldn't very often require it's functions to be loaded from it's library file - or would it be something like there's just so many function's here that i'll wait until he picks one to load a branch
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i have to do more reading
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aruon Tech: how do I set MUSH to repeat on enter
T3/r4/2011-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: look in Preferences for an autoclear command line[sic] preference.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: thx for the discussion, you know quite a bit about these things
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aruon Tech: I didn't see the repeat on enter command in any preferences or settings
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aruon Tech: is it called something different
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: another thing that had me wondering earlier, is you have this flag for gcc that generate's position independent code with -fpic, and while linking a shared library from an assembly source code file that i made i don't have to do anything like that - i notice 4 different lines in a gcc hello world -s source file using the -fpic, and somebody said the -mpic that as uses (the assembler) is a strange thing cause assembler's don't generate position independent code - is it just the way gcc outputted the assembly that the -fpic was required to generate position independent code, ie is it up to the person writing the assembly?  or is it a function of the assembler afterwards to assign your addresses, and the linker to finalize them?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i understand what the flag is for and all, but with as having a -mpic flag as well, and object file's being discussed instead of assembler output in the tldp howto, i'm curious
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: -fPIC might be the default too, i used -fpic to examine the output against the default, so it may be using a optimization kind of addressing instead of the default position independent
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you know about that stuff i mean, -mpic for gas and -fpic for gcc, -mpic is automatically assumed at every assembly of any gcc output (as gcc uses it right?) unless gcc generate's position dependent code by default, for it's virtual memory layout
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: virtual memory is not memory.  It's disk space.  Using it is a last resort, since it ends up fragging the hard drive (constant writes to the disk).
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: In an OS all you have is virtual memory.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You cannot access physical memory directly.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe it is assembler directive's that it includes in its assembly output to hand to the assembler that it means, but then what does the gas manual page say?  -mpic , generate position independent code into object format - automatically assumed, so i don't know what really to make of it right now, a position independent assembly to position independent object code by the gcc -fPIC -c <source.c>
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sure you can, Rarr.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause there seems to be two level's of this position independentness happening since the manual pages for both gcc and gas mention it
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Not from userspace.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Ranrr*
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if you start an prog written in assembly, there is no way for windows to know what you are doing. The only thing that will stop you are the segment constraints.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the kernel might even have virtual memory if the memory relocator is a hardware thing mapping physical to virtual addresses
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but the kernel has a constant set of memory under which all other processes have theirs allocated (in their full illusion's) within, from what i understand
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you look into the segment register, Druzil. It can't lie :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You think you have physical memory, but in fact you have virtual memory.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: in the intel chips, the memory translation is done by the hardware.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, something called memory overlay's in the 1960's to virtual memory in the 1970's
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aruon Tech: why doesnt my numberpad work with MUSH client
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: not all actual program information is located in memory, some is located on the disk and brought into memory
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the num lock key is not turned on
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aruon Tech: it is
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, but the intel chips use a more complicated mechanism. It have registers for each stage of virtualization.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: with as much ram as computer's have now though, probably most application's code always exists in memory
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and it's data
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, it depends on how the operating system works. Windows uses a flat memory environment, which means it probably maps each cpu to the maximum 4Gb.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i notice on my linux that it usually keeps half of my memory populated
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what we refer to physical memory is a lot faster than what we refer to as virtual memory.  When you hit virtual memory, you might as well just turn the computer off and start over because either you have a memory-eating bug or you're doing things really, really wrongly.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and it powers down the processors to a lower frequency when not needed
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it only has one global segment and its address is 0x00000000
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Druzil: are you using Ubuntu? Because mine just makes funny fan noises now and then.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: close, ubuntu is a branch of debian
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Hmm, might switch back to Debian. Was using it for a while 2 years ago.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: debian was the first linux i used and kept using for more than a year, i like it
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: first I used was slackware, there wasn't a lot of choices
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doroga Tech: Me too Ranrr. I was about to pull a back in my day line referencing it :P
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i noticed in this 1995 article on the ELF file format, as well as a document from tldp, that the authors seem to indicate that all ELF program's would require some external library function's to operate by default - but i can build an assembly file that causes /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 to segfault when i try to execute it with, cause it's static
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so it is possible to not be linked to other thing's - redhat they say, keeps a ln program that is statically linked in /sbin/sln , because incase some dynamic libraries get fried that ln links to, they can relink them
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it would be good to have a shell like that for a defaults ystem too
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: (from what i can see), if you build an application using only system call's without any c wrapper functions
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i tried winlinux first iirc, then arch linux and then settled on debian
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: winlinux went extinct a long time ago, it used to install in a window's partition and then in a file in window's set up a filesystem
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i never installed open bsd, but installed netbsd 1.5 from floppy disks on a old pentium 1 computer, and i installed openbsd twice to use - 
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i mean freebsd*
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that program is a nightmare to install, i wiped out my linux partition trying once
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: openbsd is great for firewalls and routers, I use it all the time
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it is a good system and has alot of documentation , regardless of what kind of stuff you can discuss other people saying about it
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: a few years ago i remember a debian security vulnerability in openssh based on the output of a valgrind program, which detected a memory leak that was purposefully put there by an openssh developer in openbsd, but not documented why
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so he figured he'd patch the software, i think, and that resulted in a vulnerability - so them guys must know alot about what they're doing
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but build mainly for laptops and server's
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i like something in the middle where i can play with all of the advanced stuff until i knock myself out, but still have a easy environment when i want - like ubuntu has
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: this strip utility is pretty wild, i cut down a 1450 byte hello world program into 450 bytes with a single command
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you can actually see a tonne of stuff with the readelf command, even constants that are replaced by the assembler at assembly time
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: which is pretty neat, a record of all of the mnemonics used kept in the elf file by default, the strip command discards things like that and makes them smaller
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: have any of you tried the prelink program?  it seems like it'd be useful for alot of things
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i imagine things like md5sum's and databases for system verification would be affected though, since the contents would be changed
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: never heard of it, Druzil.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's a program that prefetche's library's make's them loaded into the same address space every time through, and modifies the header's of executable file's and those library's to facilitate it's functionality (or something like that)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: supposedly it has both security benefits and vulnerabilities, depending on how you configure your system, but some other system's like mac os x have used a similar functionality
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it'll randomize where they're loaded at but keeps them at that random address until a time set by the administrator, where they can be relocated - the wikit alks about using libc to locate where is the other lib's and stuff, lol, and security settings for suid executable's by making them Position independent, i guess it's kind of like control over where you place stuff in memory to some degree
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but with the faster library load times for dynamically linked files
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Druzil: damn you for making me look up Debian again... :P Now I am sad I have no money to go to Banja Luka for DebConf on such short notice :(
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so for something like a program that checks all of your program file's and sensitive informations for alteration's in md5 checksum's, this program running would set off all of those alarm's unless it were handled as an atomic type of operation, updating your security checking database with the modified elf header's of the file's with al og of you're typing the command in
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, some of these people have all kinds of conferences, i'm probably too anti-social to ever go to one, lol, unless it's just a speech or anonymous gathering
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: It would have been fun, and Mark Shuttleworth would have been there on at least the first day :P
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'll just see if i can write any useful program's or patch some existing one's and that'll be what i did
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: But anyway, I shall probably install Debian separately on my laptop to play with it :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: what do you guys think of the gnu hurd and possible applications with this cloud computing?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i notice on their website some people seem interested in funding it there, hurd i read is basically designed to treat multiple system's as a single unit, distributing problems among computer's
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but alot more of course, they never finished it
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Technology is moving away from clusters, more towards virtual machines instead. 
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Clusters are sort of the inverse of virtual machines
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, there is alot of discussion about virtual machine's now, those were first invented before 1980 by maybe ibm
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if my memory's right, they had computer's with a basic system on which a operating system is installed, and multiple could run in parallel
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that's not new technology, and the reason it was developed was that physical memory and devices were expensive and unwieldy. That's not the case anymore.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Sure, it's old technology.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: So?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: why go backward? virtual is never going to be as good as real.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: There are many reasons.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Old technology isn't necessarily bad technology
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: with the multiple processor core's now, it's more possible to run them at the same time, i think there is virtual machine's that do give full access to the hardware by a host operating system, but within another operating system
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it was necessary technology now it isn't necessary.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: We still make houses, even if it's old technology :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: There are other reasons to virtualize now.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but they still have to wait for memory and organize it somehow, which adds some overhead, which maybe they have a part for already
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Windows 7 does not take advantage of the multiple cpus, Druzil. It uses the cpus but not the way they are supposed to be used.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: paralell code by compilers i read is a key thing to use the multiple cores
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: something like that, parallelism
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Virtual systems make management much simpler.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: For large installations.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: concurrent programming is a ways off yet. It will take designers and programmers who don't think in straight lines.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the way to do it is you have a master cpu that has the main responsibility for allocating cpus for work and hading them the work to do. The other cpus are autonomous once they get the workload.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Also, it enables things like moving between physical computers seamlessly.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and that master cpu would maybe want a bigger on chip cache so it doesn't have to use the memory bus to keep track of the process states (or virtual machine states, lol)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so if this job takes 7 cpus, 7 cpus get allocated and the go off on their own to do the work...
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: And you can adapt your physical machines to the load needed by the virtual hosts, so you can power down those physical boxes that idle.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: though, technically, that isn't concurrent programming either.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: And if a physical host is malfunctioning, you can move the virtual hosts easily.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, that's right. Ranrr. The master operating system handles cpus just is they were peripherals, which they actually are.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so you might save a little power too, that's a benefit
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you put the cpus in hibernation when they are idle.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Exactly.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Not to mention disaster recovery mechanisms. 
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: All large datacenter installations are virtualized today.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: For the reasons I mentioned and a few more.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: though the secondary operating systems just issue a wait instruction when there is nothing to do, so the hibernation my be locally handled.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: of course both the motorola and intel chips have a limit of 16 cpus, not really enough.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and the system handling function's that always are running the background on a physically controlling master operating system would still be required to keep the entire system in a consistent state, but those kind of tasks by a hosted operating system - it could maybe go into hibernation instead of running constantly and managing its unused resources
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: It's managed on higher level than that.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Think server farm, not application.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech or get the illusion no time passed at all, which is maybe what they do, continue from this point
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I am hoping that whomever implements this is not thinking of writing it c++ or something like that. This is where assembly is needed. You can't afford to delay management by executing useless instructions.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that stuff is very complex software, lol, i don't know where i'd be gin to look at how they made it
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: kernel programming is 99.999% C with minor bits in assembly
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: if  you can write an opsys for a single cpu you can write it for multiple cpus. Only the master operating system is going to be different in some respects.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: each cpu has a copy of the non-master operating system. They run autonomously once work is assigned to them.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: to add variable processor speed's onto a single chip, or cache sizes, would that be like trying to address byte's of different size?  this one over here's 7 that one's 9, etc
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i mean, is that why they don't do stuff like that?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: in fact, the non-master operating system is identical to the master one, it just has some features disabled. This allows for passing the master baton among the cpus.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i read memory units are the same size for ease of use and less complexity, i'm not sure if other computer components are the same or not - like i have a spare pci card here with some on chip memory and a processor, i want to send it some numbers to crunch for a background process i don't want to feed to my cpu
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Not necessarily, this depends on which virtualization is used.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: For instance, with vmware this is not true.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but can stuff like that be done?  it's different processor's and different size's and stuff than the main one
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: let's say you have 2 arrays 8x8 and you want to multiply them, the job requires 8 cpus running in parallel. The 8x8 multiplication can be done in one pass.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hellfyre Tech: does anyone know how to configure mag for mudlet, it is fine it just doesnt show a mini map at all or the chat channels on the right side window
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the master cpu allocates the 8 cpus pass each one of them the element<i,j> where i and j correspond to the cpu number (0 - 7), etc
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: there is an old machine that does that already, Druzil. It's called the Illiac IV aka the octopus. The Illiac was never finished but I believe that it had 64 cpus, the target was 256 cpus.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but the technology was primitive, it could be done now if they wanted to, rather easily.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Parallell computing is simpler to do if you divide the problem into small chunks and distribute them over simple computers. E.g. SETIOME
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: SETI at HOME
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right that's why is mentioned the 8x8 matrix multiplication.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i never really researched in depth (cause i'd have to in depth to see) if you can use a hardware component totally out of context or not - like my pci card example, i have a ageia physx processor here, and on it's a set of memory and a processor - if i wanted to send a process to that card to calculate the operations of, could i do that, and bring it's input back into my main machine for consideration by the processor on what to do as a result?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: each of the 8 cpus makes one of the new elements of the result array.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it does come to mind though, since basically it is a minicalculator on my bigger calculator, lol
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and it doesn't do anything
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Nice in theory. Not really done that way in RL tho :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, as it turns out, they can't really do it because intel didn't design multiple cores to be run in parallel.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: one core is running at a time?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: right now, the way it works when C0 strobes and gets a response from C1, C1 becomes the master for the duration, and so forth.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: right, you need to make bigger threads for it to work well
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: if each CPU did a million calculations instead, it would work
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: for parallelism to work, C0 should never relinquish the master role unless it is varying itself offline.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it must assign work and ignore the other cpus working until they strobe back saying that they are done.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Don't worry about it, in RL nobody does parallellism with assembler. Work in userspace instead.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and when all the other cpus are busy, C0 assigns itself mono work.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: that's why the suck, Ranrr :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, see that's the big problem. I have 4 cores and I have to wait for A to finish in order to get B going. That is a waste of cpus.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think one way this here one processor at a time deal, if i understand you right, would be that for each instruction being executed on each register, by the time the register reaches back to the first a new set of registers can be present in a process switch - i'm not sure if i understand it right though, and that switch occurred while the existing set of register's was operated on by the current process and the next one was loaded into the vacated registers
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You have to be pragmatic. Don't expect everything to be optimized for a specific problem that doesn't really apply in RL.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: threads are also old technology. It makes me think that the opsys developers are just lazy bums. Intel chips have hardware multi-tasking. Threads are software artifacts.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Abstraction is the key to useful software engineering.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: mayb so, but anyone who thinks that his software can beat out any piece of hardware that does the same thing, he needs some rest.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Of course not, that's why we have asics and fpgas for real time stuff and performance.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so threading is never going to be as fast or as efficient as hardware multitaskng.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but it takes less knowledge of how the machine works to implement threads, because all the technology was developed 40 years ago. So it is solid.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: IBM pioneered multi-tasking in the late 60s and through to the 90s
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: If you want to work with optimizations like this, you should look into a career in making embedded systems.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and there was not hardware to handle it so it was done purely through software.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the devices are too small :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and I feel affronted at the idea of driving coffee makers :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: That's the point. Small devices need more optimizations.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Embedded systems are everywhere.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so why do they write the code in Java? That's not what I call optimized code.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You need to be pragmatic.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Not everything is about making the most optimized system possible.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, I understand. It takes less brains to use Java than native instructions.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: There are other considerations.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I think they are just lazy and cheap. A systems programmer costs about 40% more than an applications programmer.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You need to make money. Writing assembler costs way more than writing java.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Exactly. They write in java because it's cheaper to hire java programmers, and java's 'good enough' for most consumer products. Nobody cares when the button press takes 50 extra milliseconds to open a window.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: With that attitude, I wouln't hire you.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i wonder if there is any system out there that is totally optimized, like an operating system - not a tweak in the world that could make it stronger
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or faster
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: only if you use inexperienced programmers (i.e. programmers that don't cost much). An experienced assembly language programmer can match a higher level programmer in speed of implementation, and since it will less time debugging he will win out at the end.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Real engineers consider the cost of things before they decide on solutions.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: No, an assembler programmer will always take longer.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: but you see, Ranrr, that's the big problem right there. If engineers knew how to code then they would see the point. But they look at programs as a opaque resource and miss the point.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: And he will make more bugs .
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Ana, even assuming you're right, you're assuming that companies are out there to make optimized product. They're not. They're out to make money. If they can produce a java product cheaper than an asm one and sell it, they will.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Nobody makes assembler applications anymore.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Why would they? It's expensive, gives no big advantage and it will be more buggy.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: wrong, Ranrr. The assembly programmer will write as many lines of code as the application programmer which means that his program will be much smaller and easier to debug. Easier to debug because nothing is hidden from his sight. He knows the state of the machine at the start and end of each instruction.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: more buggy? Do you know what you are saying?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: 1 line of assmbler does not equal one line of java or C
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Anaristos, I won't touch assembly until I have a typechecker for it.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yes, I know hat I am saying. Bugs are a function of lines of code.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Haskell-quality one, I mean.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: More code = more bugs
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: 1 line of Java or C will  probably generate 100 lines of assembly code, and it will generate that many lines each time the same statement is written.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: do any of you know why things like shadow password's on system's are stored only in ascii printable characters?  like if you cat /etc/shadow you may get a list of encrypted but decypherable character's - while this here functionality may be extended to take in all the 255 possibilities in a byte
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so you have a new level of obfuscation
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Because you want to be able to edit the shadow file with a text editor
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: there is less code in an assembly language programmer. If you write the same program in assembly and C++, you will have the assembly program be about 10% the size of the C++ program.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and the encryption function's themselve's, maybe a system can individually create a seed value for their implementation of the cryptographical function's that is different from other system's, since the decryption is all done on the server side, it shouldn't matter to clients
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause the first coupel values in a shadowed password gives away its encryption method by default i think
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Anaristos, on the minus side, there is no encapsulation, no modularity, no code segregation, no type system.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think it could make for more difficult passwords to break , even if you actually use rot16 to encrypt them
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: you think that an assembly programmer stumbles around writing code. He has a library in his head of code that does specific things, proven code, code that he has memorized or knows so well he can modify in his sleep for a particular purpose, only at some key point he really has to be creative. That's about the only part of the code that needs to be debugged.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jhav nods at Cizra.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the computer program's that put those entries in /etc/shadow read number's, some as string's
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's not really meant to be edited by a administrator, but if worse comes to worse and you lock out root, you could still x out the nonprintable characters in between the : and the :
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: How many years have you worked with commercial assembly programming?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, I started writing assembly when I was 17. I am 37. So that's 20 years.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: And what kind of applications do you write?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I prefer system level code, but I can and have done everything. Including database management.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: And someone actually pays you to write database management code in assembler?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: what you must remember that an assembly language programmer does more than write code, he has the pulse of the machine, he knows exactly the state of the machine at any given instant of time. He thinks about timing estimates, he thinks about cpu cycles, he knows that he can get an advantage if the instruction is executed at the leading edge of a cycle if he makes sure the next instruction gets executed at the trailing edge. There are so many little things that the assembly language programmer sees that is just hard to explain. Application level programmers are blind.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and the cracker would have to figure out your algorithm type with even that obfuscated by selection, and then by the 255-value encryption
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, Ranrr. They wanted to beat the second law of thermodynamics :) they wanted speed and efficiency. Of course, they didn't get it, but it turned out to be faster and more compact code than the garbage that is sold around by the biggies.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: In my experience, usually the performance problems come from bad algorithms, not from constant factors in code speed.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I mean, how can you look at a program that takes Gbs to run in, what kind of crappy  monstrosity is that?How can anyone call himself a programmer and write crap like that?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: see you think differently than I do. I see that this instruction takes 6 cycles and this one takes 4 cycles and they both end up doing that which I want. Which instruction do you think I will use?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I see you don't think in algorithms?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: The same one as gcc with your platform's optimization flags set?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sure I do, but it takes instructions to implement the algorithm.  See you are looking at the top of the mountain. I look at the mountain from the foot to the top.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: compiler optimization is based on an ideal. I optimize the code I have at hand based on what is going on at the time. The optimizer in a compiler always does the same things when it sees a pattern.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: well, let's just put it this way: I would never allow assembly code into the products I work with, because I want it to be maintainable and portable, I want it to be low in bugs and I have a limited budget. If I want speed, I use an expetienced C programmer. If I want real time performance, I use an fpga.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Yeah. And usually by choosing a better algorithm, you can get a hundredfold improvement, as opposed to twofold improvement in assembly. Sure, you could do both improvements, but leaving the gritty details to the compiler gives you more time and brainpower to think about algorithms.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: The compiler optimization takes none of my time, works well, and allows me to ignore the specifics of which platform the program is running on.  Unless I'm writing something very specific (embedded, for a particular supercomputer, etc) I'm not going to bother hand-tweaking asm for each and every thing I do.  You can spend a lifetime making things run nanoseconds faster.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Rarr, that is a very strange statement. What do you think?  That once an assembly language programmer finishes his code and goes production that he goes back under the bridge and melds with the stonework?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: how can you say that assembly language programs are not maintainable?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: No. He's saying that when the result goes into production and the developer goes into maintenance mode, and later gets hit by a bus or hits on the receptionist, or whatever, and isn't there any more, you can't find another assembly programmer.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: I can look at a well-written C++ program and know what it is doing.  asm, not so much so.  And I think that's universal.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Remember, maintainence isn't just you.  It's the other folks who you're forcing to read and use your work.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: it's no effort to make things run nano-seconds faster. It's like shifting a gear with a manual transmission when the time is right. You just do it, you don't think about it. But of course, you probably have an automatic transmission :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I have manual, actually.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: And I have written machine code as well... and still I think Haskell is the best we currently have.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Anaristos, suppose you want to use a hash table in your program. What do you do?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Do you take the time to research them, to implement a good algorithm found in some fat book?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Do you link against some library not written in assembly?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: forcing to read? You think that everyone feels about assembly programming as you do :) You have been brainwashed by the industry who sees  that assembly language programming just cuts into the profits because a) assembly programmers are more expensive and b) the programs they would sell would be so "tiny" that they couldn't justify the price. When the oracle server loads into memory it takes over 1Gb to settle down. I bet you could do the same thing with about 10Mb. But you couldn't impress anyone with something that small nowadays.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: as long as the library has standard linkage I couldn't care less how it was written.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: I call BS on that. If you could reproduce oracle in 10mb, you'd have to SHOOT people to keep them from crushing your building with their checkbooks.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: who would pay me to do it?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Oracle, for one.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Anaristos, aren't you contradicting yourself? Now you say that you don't care how your library is written. Wouldn't you want to rewrite it in assembly for maximum speed, minimum memory?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Anyone who uses a database for massive volumes of data. It's only 10mb, right? Do it and see.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Windows used to be written in assembly language until 3.0, in 3.1 they went hybrid and added some C. Now it's all in C or one of its derivatives. Do you honestly believe that windows has to be that big?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I couldn't write a database server by myself in reasonable time. It would take a team.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Windows bloat isn't a function of language choice. There are plenty of stupid business decisions involved. See, the code they added to reproduce a bug to maintain compatibility with SimCity.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I've looked at code generated by the compilers. Sometimes, 10 or 20% of a routine is filled with no-ops. Intel wasn't very clever with no-ops, for one thing they don't execute in a single cycle, they access the address bus even though they don't fetch, in other words, no-ops waste both time and space, but compilers love to fill it up with no-ops.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: then there is the one I really like  :) optimizers remove a subroutine because it's not necessary. But they leave the ENTER LEAVE pair of instructions and nothing in between. I would just remove the call. But no, the compiler still makes the call that returns immediately.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and there are hundreds and hundreds of those little gems all over your c++ code 
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Now, Anaristos, do you know how much time a hundred of enter/leave pairs take?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Assuming a 1 GHz processor for simplicity, please tell us the time, or the number of clock cycles that you lose.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: writing a disk scheduler is hard enough in assembly language but at least you have a shot because you know how much time you have before the heads are back over the sector you want and you know how long it's going to take to execute your code. But no, let's write the scheduler in C++, that way we make sure that the disk spins idly for a while.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I don't know how  much time I would lose without looking at the code. But even is it's a small amount, there is no reason to lose it. There is no way to get around the 2nd law of thermodynamics, that doesn't mean you throw efficiency out of the window instead of trying for a best compromise.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Okay. So here's the grand question:
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You're spending N hours to write this stuff in assembly that would make M hours to write in some sane language. This means a waste of (N-M) hours
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, before you ask, why should there be any ENTER/LEAVE pairs?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Is your program going to accumulate N-M hours of wasted time by running those empty enter/leave pairs, over its whole lifetime?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: again you are assuming that I am a slow  writer.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I'm assuming you're a slower writer than a high-level language user, yes.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: and you're assuming C programmers are slow writers
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: How much waste, or how long lifetime it takes for a program to waste even ONE hour by running those sub-perfectly optimized instructions?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I have routines that I have used hundreds of time, I don't even have to type it, I just open up the editor and paste the code. The way to start a program is standard the way to finish a program is standard. The way I get this type of object is standard, the way I pass data to that object is standard, there are very little surprises in the code. The only part that will be different from other programs is the core stuff that does what the program was intended to do. I look at my flowchart and the code flows.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Ah, so you prefer copy-paste programming.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ENTER push x pull x LEAVE why should I type that? 
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What does the "pull" instruction do?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, it's pop on an intel chip... I've been working on another machine. But it reloads the stuff from the stack.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I'm curious... which machine?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the point that the preface and prologue of any subroutine will be the same.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sorry, can't mention it.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Yeah, which means that in saner languages you can just omit it.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I could omit it, but you C++ compile will never do so.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Everything that stays the same is boilerplate and is a sign of bad language design
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: but that's unrelated to our discussion.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: what? So you think I should get creative when I save my registers... hmm
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: So let's come back. How much time are you actually winning?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I am not winning any time in the sense you mean. No.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: okay, cool. That pretty much disproves your point.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: No, because my goal is not to win anything, my goal is to write the best possible code for the target architecture, something C++ or F# will never be able to do. Now, let me say this, I can tolerate the use of a high level language for application work, but I think that using C++ or whatever to write a device driver is like using a tractor engine on a family car.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Soviet T-44 tractor used the same engine as Volga the luxuryish car.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Its gearing was just much lower.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: devices do concern themselves with timing. They see the world in square cycles. So there is no excuse.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, you can drive a Volga if you want :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: So how did we digress from databases to device drivers?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: As I see it, there is no excuse to write assembler code it you can write it in C. Boss: why aren
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I think everybody agrees that they're WAY different levels in a system.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: a device will thrive when something that should happing during the leading edge happens during the leading  edge, not when it happens during the trailing edge and they have to stuff the pipeline with waits just because someone thinks that waits are cool.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Boss: Why aren't you finished? because I write it in asm? Why, when you can do it in C? Because it's better! But we don't need better, we need it done.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, if you have that conversation with your boss often, you are in the wrong line of work.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Finally, something we agree upon.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and of course, if your boss can't do what you are doing to begin with, then maybe he's in the wrong line of work.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Fortunately for my boss, I am an engineer and not just a coder.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I can only assume that you don't write assembly code for a living, if you did we wouldn't have this conversation. You would know in your bones.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bones aren't actually correct rebuttals
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Engineers don't know how to code, they just know that code can do what they want so they slap together lines until they get the desired support. Computer scientists do the same. They think that because they understand what an algorithm does it qualifies them to implement it.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: some of the most horrendous code I've witnessed comes from CompSci "programming" efforts.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and pigheaded programmers similarly don't know how to code properly
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: So, basically everyone who isn't a asm coder is worthless?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but they know how to tell others that they're not coding properly
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and that they feel it in their bones
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: choosing the wrong tool for the job is still bad coding, regardless of how close it makes you feel to your processor
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: That may be true. It's unfortunate that you don't know  what it means to write in assembly. I don't read programming manuals, I read hardware specifications, timing stimates, principles of operation, I mean, if I ever decided to become a hardware person, I would already be halfway there.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: when I write  code I can see in my mind what the cpu is doing or the peripherals.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, you pretend to
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and it's all automatic, no effort involved.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but that makes you feel better
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: oh, sorry. I have a model in my mind of what the cpu is doing, or theperipherals.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and I see sounds and hear colors
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and smell math problems
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, thanks for listening to me. I am going to take a break :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feathylynn Tech: Can anyone tell me how to set up Aardwolf on Mxit (mobile app)?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Ask a MXiT player.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Nocturnus: Could you upgrade to 4.75?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: i could try that and see
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: this aard mushclient is just a little more laggy than the other one, if i could fix that i'd play this
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nowadays I wouldn't recommend installing mushclient from gammon's site to play aard, including updates
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah.. only use fiendish's packages
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fiendish updates for gammon's releases extremely quickly, he'd been at 4.75 at least since june
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celdyn Tech: So i am going to have to delete and reinstall?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: dont' delete.. backup... then delete
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celdyn Tech: Web addy is?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're asking for fiendish's web addy, finger fiendish (that's pretty much always going to be the answer for any player's web addy)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: admittedly fiendish's is a little weird
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celdyn Tech: Is that the best mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's the most popular
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: if i delete the group monitor plugin in aard mushclient that will get rid of this group monitor window right?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: remove it from the plugins window
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ctrl - shift-p
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: thank ye
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd suggest just typing "groupoff"
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'll leave the ability to turn it back on by typing "groupon" for those occasions that it comes in handy even for a solo leveller
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celdyn Tech: I hate to lose my aliases but this lack of spacing is doing my head in!
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: you can save your aliases and triggers
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you can import your aliases Celdyn
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: as a .mca and .mct file
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celdyn Tech: Can i save them now?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: well, just click the save button below when you're looking at your aliases/triggers
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celdyn Tech: Thanks found that :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what exactly is the spacing issue, is it horizontal or vertical spacing (i.e. too much double-space, or things like score not lining up)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: OK, just read bugs post, sounds like you mean vertical spacing...try typing "compact"
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celdyn Tech: Yep the new client fixed the spacing thanks guys! Now how do i import my aliases?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: tried compact very first thing, wasn't it, then added %c to prompts and removed sorter plugin, no dice
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you saw the "save" button earlier...
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: now try the "load" button
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celdyn Tech: Got it thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nocturnus, check your plugins list for an omit blank lines plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: k
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: brb, hafta log in under gammon mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: ok, yes i have the omit blank lines plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try disabling that
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: k
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: abelinc that was exactly the problem!
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: nice
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno why it was suddenly enabled for you if it wasn't before, though...nothing on Aard's server end can do that
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: yeah that's the weird thing, it just started to act up after i logged in after the server move
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: something minor must've changed
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: that was there all along though?  that plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gammon's been including it for years, yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno if it ships from him enabled or disabled offhand
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: ok
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: i deleted the sorter plugin earlier trying to fix the problem, i still have it saved in my notebook, but i forgot how to take it from there and add it here, can anybody tell me quick?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: note pad i mean
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: save as an .xml file in your plugins directory, then install it as norma
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: normal*
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: k
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: thanks, got the sorter plugin back, love that thing
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: what do i need to change in cmud to get my macros to quit putting input into command line
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you trying to turn off aliases?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: no i have quaff mana set to ] but its not supposed to put the ] in the command line just fire the rigger
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: all of my macros just recently started doing that
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, when the macro is enabled, it shouldn't put the key you pressed into the command line
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: thats what i thought
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: the maps are showing up in my main window and not updating in my client (mush, the newest version), what do I need to toggle?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: do you have a plugin for it installed?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Do you have map tags on?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: I have the bast plug-ins installed, but nothing more than that. I mean the map that shows in the separate window. I do have map tags on
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tenlorn Tech: I had a mixture of tags on and off, sorry. Thank you
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Hellllllllp! I've tried to reset my prompt about 10 times and mana simply doesn't show. Hps, mv, tnl all no problem, but the mana numbers won't show. Anybody have a clue? I sure don't.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: type config.. what is your game prompt
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Here's how it shows my game prompt, which is just as I set it, but note the lack of numbers in mana...  hp %h/%H  mn /  mv %v/%V  %Xtnl 
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle watches the clock tick slowly
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: type "config".. what is your game prompt
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Just did and showed you Wink. I should have said, though, note that it's not showing the percentage sign that I put in there.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ok.. so ahve you tried...
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: "prompt all"
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it sounds liek you have a trigger that is gagging that perhaps?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: I will be dipped. Now it shows the mana. Thanks, Wink :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Nah, I don't have any triggers at all.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: that I know of, anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no probs :) sorry for my impatience earlier
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: yup :)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: miss
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Server has a new IP address?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yup
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Got it off hand, or easy way to check on MUSH?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Doink: It does.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: 66.228.127.34
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Your ips should update the dns for aardmud.org within the next 24-48 hours.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm...
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: my missus fell foul earlier. in muchslient, she had to "purge cached ip address"
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: try aardwolf.com and aardmud.com
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: err, sorry, NOT aardwolf.com
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: aardwolf.org
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: aardmud.com in particular gets little use so is less likely to be cached.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's not aardmud.org?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: aardmud.org is the main one
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: those other two also point here
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: and are less likely to be used often (less likely to be cached)
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Does it make a difference if the TCP/IP  Idresss is aardmud.org, or should it be the actual IP address?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it makes a difference if your isp's dns hasn't updated aardmud.org with the new ip address yet
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lamya Tech: The last note indicates that is choudl be aardmud.org, since the mud is changing servers.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: aardmud.org would still try to connect to the old ip, and wouldn't work
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: well. it does connect to the old ip, but that does actually state the new ip address
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: yes. dns changes may take up to 48 hours
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah, didn't know it would redirect
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: id doesn't redirect, but the connection message there does state information
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oh, ok
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i haven't tried :P
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: aardmud.org in the browser redirects to aardwolf.com, it isn't a good test.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: server moves suck, you spent a year telling everyone not to use IP addresses, then the one time you can actually get them to go into their client and change settings (because it is the only way to connect), it is to use an IP address.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i didn't need to change anything :P
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: its not that lasher, my isp dns servers hadn't updated to the new address. i'm currently using the new ip address not the domain name
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I had to.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: try aardmud.com
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: my guess is 99% of people on here right now didnt even know about that domain.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: does aardmud.org still work?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i didn't
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: so it's less likely to be cached
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i notice you have both
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: aardmud.org, aardwolf.org, aardmud.com all work
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: need to add yourmom.xxx *ducks*
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that tld's still being negotiated :-/
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: but aardmud.com is temporary, it's just a spare domain for when we need one for something.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: aardmud.com works for me
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: fatesdaggersmom.net
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: my mom's a nurse that married an engineer... Who'd pay for that.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm surprised hustler and playboy weren't put out of business by the internet
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Druzil: Playboy does video streaming.
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: live?
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: google it.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: ok i need some help with aardmush     i cant see nothing on the screen   it says   trigger function  spellheaders not found   any clues?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: anyone have this problem before?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: looking for some assistence in writing a trigger in the Aard MUSH client
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: shoot
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: Was wondering if it is possible to write a trigger that will pick up a weapon and we wield it in the case of getting disarmed
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: err - re wield it
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Shouldn't be that hard.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i dorgot whats the disarm message....
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: forgot
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: have not written code in about 20 years so...
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: it's much simplier than that
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: usually something about sending your weapon flying
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Don't recall the disarm thing myself, but here's what you do.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: do a shift+control+8 to open the trigger page
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: ok
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: You set the trigger on disarm message. If the disarm message doesn't mention your weapon name, you'll have to include that in what gets triggered.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: add a trigger, and under the trigger line, put the usual disarm message, and under send put a get all, wear all, or something like that
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: That's a very simple one, and not what I'd do, but I'm a bit paranoid.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: I'd set up a variable for a keyword for your weapon, have it 'get var, wield var'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: ok so all I have to do now is find the last time I got disarmed :)
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: if the disarm message includes the name of the weapon, like "Your axe is disarmed", then the trigger can be "Your * is disarmed" and the send "get %1;wear %1"
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: ok thanks.  Might ask for some more help when I actually find the message :)
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Actually, I can help you with that right now.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: If you don't mind going into a duel.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: I'll spam disarm until it hits.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: will I die?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Probably.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: I will wait :)  Trying to keep deaths low
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: But you won't suffer anything besides a loss in a duel.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: No xp penalty.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: I will wait.  I know that death is not a huge deal here but I still want to keep them low
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Fair enough
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: A Yurgach sentry DISARMS you and sends your Gavel of Justice flying
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Okay. So replace Gavel of Justice with *. Then say 'get %1, wield %1'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: that most likely wouldn't work
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Yeah, it has some weakness.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: I would have to replace the Yurgach sentry as well right?  Is that the trigger and then the get and wield go in the send box on separate lines?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Did anyone besides me get caught in the internets just now?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: does anyone know how to make a script turn on the tags necessary for it?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Just send the mud command?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, yeah but I don't see fiendish's plugin send the command
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Fiendish uses GMCP.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no, his plugin still uses tags for info channels and stuff.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The Ascii Map uses coordinate tags.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: and his turns them on without the tags <blah> on command
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Quite possibly eats the 'tags on' output?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Unless you reload certain ones.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: nope, I searched his code for it
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no tags channels on command anywhere
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, highlighter isn't hard to write and mush already has it afaik
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: for this line EQSets = { "1" = "Level1EQ", "41" = "Level41EQ" }
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: why do I get [string "Plugin"]:163: '}' expected near '='
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: How do I get that white bar back? The bar where your writing goes in mush
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: View>Info bar
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Everytime I spellup in tell me you belch and pass out? WHY?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you have a skill added incorrectly
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: I am using bastmush
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm guessing pass without trace
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's sending pass instead of trace
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: How do I fix it?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: remove pass without trace from the list of spells
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: I MUD-aliased 'pass' to trace :)
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: How do I remove a spell from bsp?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Read his wiki.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "bsp help"
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Sorry kept quiet this whole weeks and had some errors. Bastmush doesn't respell afer the spell fades, I must keep typing sleep then wake or bsp refresh
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: does your prompt end in %c when you type "config"?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Yes it does
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Your game prompt is  : [%h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %qqt %Xtnl] >%c
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Your battle prompt is: [Fighting: %h/%Hhp %m/%Mmn %v/%Vmv %Xtnl%b] >%c
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Anyone?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: They still do, if the people that design them know what they're doing.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: in lua how would you right a simple wield sword with sword being a variable
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: statement
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Is this for MUSHclient?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: no just general question trying to learn lua
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: i'm using cmud
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: if it was just lua, that's simple enough.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: im trying to find an example but not having to much luck
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: All you'd need to do is 'weapon = sword', then your command would be '"wield " .. weapon'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: ahh ok that makes sense thank you
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but in cmud (and even mushclient) you don't really need to use lua for just a wield
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: yea but its always fun to learn stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: anyone know how to fix the .5 sec delay when you plug a guitar on p2 entrance of computer?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what's a p2 entrance of computer?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: mic entrance
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: It's the one just to the right of the p1 entrance.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: do you mean delay after plugging in before it works, or you are on a constant delay?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: constant... i play the guitar and the sound delays .5 secs
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: how is it that half a second even matters?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: playing guitar and singing along, it'd matter...
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I expect it would kinda mess with your playing, hearing everything a half second later   :p
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: nods Erikson
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: OTOH, some people pay big money for effects to do just that, so really, think of how much you're saving...
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: rofl
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's kind of like the delay you get when you try to 'listen' to the mic audio through headphones.  Whatever you're saying/singing/whatever has that little delay.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I know it's messed me up several times trying to listen to myself. :\
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: there is a way to fix it or cut the delay... i'm wondering how :p
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Some level of delay is unavoidable of course.  But a half second is a _really_ long time.  I'd try fiddling with the software.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is it a native port, or are you using some sort of adapter?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: p10>p2 adapter... but its basically electricity untouched
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that is probably your delay then.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: nah... i don't think so... nothing is processed by adapter.. just transfering electricity
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: If you're getting a half second, it's in software somewhere.  You'd need a *lot* of wire to introduce a half second delay.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: (that's 3 times around the world at the speed of light)
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: i know that some ppl buy offboard sound cards for it... but it works with onboard too
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Yeah, the main reason to buy external cards is that the inside of a computer case is a screaming nightmare of EMI.  Worst place this side of hades to do DA/AD conversions.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: But that's not what's biting you, so it doesn't much matter.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm guessing by p10>p2 you're just talking about 1/4" phono to 1/8" phono adapter...I'm unfamiliar with the "p" conventions you're using
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: p10: http://discabos.com.br/produtos/fotos/P10.jpg ||| p2: http://sites.garlix.com.br/fedaltoeletro/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/PLUG_P2_STERIO_4c2a388759894.jpg
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: at least it's how we call them here in brazil
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Must be a localism.  I've never heard it either.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, that's 1/4 inch phono and 1/8th inch phono
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although the t10 shown was mono and the p2 shown is stereo ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: it's just an example
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I know, but yeah, a form-factor adapter def isn't the issue
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: well, might be some conf then..
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: look in your sound control panel and such for any sort of digital processing
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try to make it as plain of setup as you can...just stereo, no dolby, echo cancellation, etc
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Lol now I  see what it did lol
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cybertron is OBVIOUSLY intoxicated... he burps loudly and passes out! 
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: It had to trace not pass
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [16 Jul 10:20:23] Abelinc Tech: it's sending pass instead of trace
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: anyone familiar with #waitsignal/#signal in cmud?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what about it?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: #waitsignal isn't waiting for my #signal :P
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it was working fine before, then it just stopped, the #waitsignal isn't doing anything as far as i can tell
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: probably not an issue specifically with that, then.  Package/etc corruption can basically let CMud do anything even if it's not coded to do it
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: unless you've got an early #signal somewhere that you're not expecting
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'm positive i don't
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is there a timeout feature for that command, like with #waitfor?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, i've tried with and without timeouts, it just won't wait
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: gonna relaunch...
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: #waitfor me!
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: fun...i relaunch cmud, and the alias i've been working on has disappeared
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: did you turn off autosave?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and #waitsignal still isn't working :P
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i would assume not, where is that? :P
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: wait, nevermind that.  Changes to settings are applied instantly just like in the map.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: sigh...gonna recreate my package
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cain killd Abelinc stares at Myrkul's package
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar giggles.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you probably just never compiled or something, or perhaps the package was already corrupted and the alias is still there but not saved correctly
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, i'm figuring something's corrupted
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: might be time to do an export/import
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: all right, lets see how this goes...
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: add one more thing to the list of bad ideas: putting up a fan with duct tape. It won't hold.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Looks like Ranrr is lying again. Time to let everyone know!
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: You need better duct tape.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: just have to use enough duct tape
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Try super glue lol
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: gorilla glue
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Double sided tape
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: works great on bratty kids, too
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Where you trying to put the fan?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I was putting up a regular 12cm computer fan to blow air out from my closet where I have my server etc. Was getting to warm in there.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Guess I'll have to find a better way to fasten it :)
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Where do I get that new version of MUSH again?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Finger Fiendish
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: what would be aeasy to to extract alias information from the aardwolf.mcl file's?  i can't mount it with mount, but i can cat the device to extract the information into a file
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i need someting to match <tech and a text editor won't display it, while vim will
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i just want to go through the file and finx all lines starting with <alias and turn them into something else
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You can up the plugin wizard to put specific aliases and triggers into a .xml file.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: up = use*
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: What is the best Mud Client Available, one with a Mapper?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: MUSHclient
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}*Christian Bezaleel Tech: Is there a way of converting zMud Maps?  Aliases etc?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: PastamanT thanks Torkin heartily.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: This makes me giggle: "Hotmail Adds a "My Friends Been Hacked" Button"
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that almost sounds like something a hacker might leave as a gift.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Apparently, it's an attempt by Microsoft to tighten security with hotmail.  If you get an email from a friend that clearly isn't from your friend, you just select the 'My friend's been hacked' option under 'Mark as' menu.
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Wow...hope someone didn't just spoof it...:-P
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: anyone know of a program that i can use to make an avi file into a DVD that will play in a dvd player?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: super c might work
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i can save it as a different format im making it in adobe premiere pro cs5
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asmodean Tech: for the aardwolf client..is there a way to keep the commands from erasing from the input bar after you hit enter?
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I know at the least you can press up to return what was...but I'm not a total expert on the client
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asmodean Tech: aye just seeing if there was a way to keep it from autodeleting in the input bar in case i wanted to use a certain command multiple times instead of having to retype it
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I just press up and then enter
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asmodean Tech: k thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there's an option in prefs
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: ok for anyone familiar with mush. the plugins that are built for it, is it simply a script or do you actually code it using some language?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: both...it's a script coded in some language
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: perhaps I didn't ask my question well.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: but thanks for the response myrkul
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, i'm not sure i understand what you're trying to ask :P
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Mars, there is a native MUSH script language, but not the only one you can use. You can use LUA, even javascript.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: everything employing logic is a language, whether named or not
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: gotch
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: gotcha
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you read the script files themselves, they'll mention a specific language
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: ok
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aruon Tech: oh, I have mccp. Sweet
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: anyone need to train their sharpening to 100% want to help me out
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: anyone using cMud PRO?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: what do you need?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: anyone use zmud and have channels and map in seperate windows?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: anyone know how to change font size in zmud on other windows than the main window?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: hmm, why don't u use mush?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: never tried, and i've mapped out like 50 zones already in zmud
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: fiendish?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: pretty sure under settings there's some options for fonts
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: hmm ya i can only get my main window fonts to change tho
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: u need mxp
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: sorry? what's that?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: http://www.zuggsoft.com/zmud/help6/Using_MX.htm
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: yes i think i'm suing some of fiendish's stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: a bunch of stuff that makes u probably want to move to another client
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: zmud is not under development, not sure if e scripts by fiendish can be used in cmud
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: what do most people use now?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: do you know the pros and cons of the more popular muds now?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: i use mush or mudlet, but more mush now since the latest version of wine is handles the program much better(using linux)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: mud clients u mean
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: zmud is no longer under development, so latest tech stuff will not come to u if u continue to use it
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: mush is easy to use, not too sure about the scripts
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: mudlet is quite ugly, but has good scripts, like auto rearm when disarmed etc
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: what about cmud?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: cmud is the newer version of zmud
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: as i can transfer my maps to cmud i think
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: but u cannot directly convert scripts from zmud to cmud
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: yeah i'm barely using any scripts anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: mush seems pretty good on youtube, but i guess if i switch to that i lose all my maps
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: not sure if u can transfer maps too
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: but u got to spend $$ for cmud i think
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Sounds like a good idea for a coding project, zmud to mush mapper converter. If I did any windows coding these days, I'd probably have a go
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: lyte, do you have a recommendation on client?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I use mush, not used zmud in many years, since win95 days. I used to use it on a previous mud
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: do you have a reason for your preference? sorry to take up your time guys
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: No problem. I started using it when I came back to mush after a long time away, since it was recommended on the aard site. I doubt I could switch if I wanted to now, since I'm so used to having all the nice plugins :)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: hmm most ppl seem to prefer mush
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: mush is free
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: is the aard client/mush client off the aardowlf site the latest version?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: no i think
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeisterP Tech: i remember updating
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: hmm thanks, i'll google around
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I think you need to 'finger fiendish' for the url
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: http://code.google.com/u/FiendishX/updates
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/detail?name=MUSHclient.zip&can=2&q=
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: didn't fiendish do the zmud stuff as well?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Just click there :P
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: thanks a lot
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: woudln't happen to come with maps would it lol
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Comes with a mapper database, all you do is re explore all the rooms lol
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: mapping kinda fun anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: takes a while to do those door names and reconnect the rooms and stuff though
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: do the mapper speedwalk in fiendish plugin handle closed doors? I tried it a while ago and I think it doesn't but I may be wrong
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: You only need to worry about the early ones and the ones you can't use passdoor on it
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: You can add a custom exit to handle closed doors
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: ohhhh...I was hoping that at some point info on doors would be sent via gmpc
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just add something like 'mapper cexit open n(double semicolon)n' to open and go through it
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: now it's a bit messy, as the door info comes only from the exit prompt...
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: true, but not elegant (Not needed if you have passdoor or the door is already open)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: true, but not elegant (Not needed if you have passdoor or the door is already open)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: true, but not elegant (Not needed if you have passdoor or the door is already open)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: true, but not elegant (Not needed if you have passdoor or the door is already open)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: true, but not elegant (Not needed if you have passdoor or the door is already open)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: true, but not elegant (Not needed if you have passdoor or the door is already open)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: true, but not elegant (Not needed if you have passdoor or the door is already open)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: SPAAAM
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cybertron rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Once you've added the custom exit that opens the door, it'll always use that in speedwalks, so it automatically opens it for you
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: lol, ok got the client, i'm assuming you can change fonts and font size and stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Yes you can
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Right click on it :P
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yeah, main font is in the world configuration, others either on the top-left menu or right-click on the window
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Once you've got used to it, I'd also recommend trying Bast's plugins - spellup, events window for cp/gq/quest, potion monitor script and more
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i'm a retard, i dont even know how to get that white command input liine to show up at the bottom lol
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: this is gonna take some getting used to haha
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: It should show by default, I think someone else had that problem a while back but I can't remember what the solution was
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i got it, it's just really far down the bottom lol, i can move all the windows except the main one
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: The main window is moveable, just grab it near the top, when the cursor turns to a pointy finger, resize it with the triangle at the bottom right
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: woot i'm using mush lol
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: this is awesome, fiendish is so cool
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Did you get Basts plugins?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Their just as cool :P
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: not yet i just resizing windows and stuff, i'm being slow and noob
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'd recommend one step at a time...worth getting but probably best to get used to mush first :)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/downloads/detail?name=bastmush.zip&can=2&q=
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Just put the extracted bast file in aardwolf, worlds, plugins 
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: tahnks a lot, saved the site, gonna use it as soon as i get use to this
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: in mush client,is there a way to change the size of the input command font?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Destroya Tech: Go to Game > Configure > Commands... then change the font setting to what you want
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: how did i miss that, i was looking at that window forever
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: thanks a lot lol
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Destroya Tech: No problem, glad I could help!
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: anyone know how to write a trigger in mush that'll trigger every time i make an attack in single line damage?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i keep trying something like ^\[+$ but it doesn't work
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Try ^\[*$ instead?  Your trigger right now just looks for [ repeated 0 or more times and an endline.  It's not looking for a variation of lines.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: attack in single line damage?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: not working, i'm the worst with this kinda stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I was just guessing, since your question was vague in the first place. :p
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't get what you're trying to match, otherwise i'd give you a pattern
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: nah thanks anyway, i'm too noob for this programming stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Provide us a line you're trying to match, and we can help...
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: just need to get it to recognise any line start with [anynumber]
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: [3] Your pierce does UNSPEAKABLE things to Barney the Loser! [742]
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Lol
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: obviosuly the number of attacks and damage and enemy name can vary
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Then my example should have worked for you. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cybertron Tech: Your miasma of pain does UNBELIEVABLE things to Barney the Loser! [2605]
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i dont know what's wrong, it's just not matching :(
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: try ^\[\d\]\sYour.+\[\d+\]$
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: anyone know the letters for ne/nw/se/sw in cmud paths offhand?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: If I were to guess: uynb
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But never used cmud
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: umm, no :P
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's hjkl, i'm just not sure offhand which is which
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celdyn Tech: Why start?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: huh?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Celdyn looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Wait, I assumed ne meanst north-east, but there is no such direction in this mud. Not quite awake.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: hjkl, in order, are nw, ne, sw, se.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: thanks etz :)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and yes, ranrr, but it has a one letter equivalent for cmud paths, so it knows you want to go northeast, not north then east
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Oki. 
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: can someone ping baalclan.com for me and tell me what IP it resolves to please?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: 203.206.235.168
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: sweet, it's propogated already :)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I got 74.117.221.143
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <sarcasm> Forestseer peers intently at WarLord Mars.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: i think you typod...
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i get the 203 one
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: or have a proxy or something in the way :P
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: thanks ppls
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I did baalclan.com, but I do have crappy satellite internet and their stuff is always screwy
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: i think your proxy is hiding the true address Mars :)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: probably forest
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: crazy satellites, how do they work!
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: As an argument for someone who insists it emultes, just tell them that it can run windows applications on processors that windows itself doesn't support, hence converter/translator.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: I'm done lol.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: anyway,  emulators are hardware, simulators are software. So WINE cannot be an emulator, by definition.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ask abe about that. BTW, I agree.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, emulators are older than Abe, so whatever his opinion won't change the fact :) You emulate hardware with hardware, you simulate with software.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: and you stimulate with underware
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: read up on your definitions folks
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: Emulator - to imitate (a particular computer system) by using a software system, often including a microprogram or another computer that enables it to do the same work, run the same programs, etc., as the first. 
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: simulator - a machine for simulating  certain environmental and other conditions for purposes of training or experimentation: a flight simulator. 
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: you have it backwards.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: Here is another whopper:  FIFO  queues :) As if there were any other kind. Queues are FIFO and stacks are LIFO, so to say FIFO queue or LIFO stacks is being redundantly redundant.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Either way, it does neither. It reads, translates, and outputs.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: yes, it simulates windows :)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: You need not run WINE to use it, because it's a conversion layer.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: it emulates windows.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: simulates
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: There's no simulation.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: Stimulates!!!!
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: simulation implies hardware.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: an emulator mimics the hardware, thankfully windows is not hardware.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Irrelevant, you're not listening. It's not a platform, it's just a medium.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: just get virtualbox and move on
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: wine sucks.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: That's an emulator.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: the problem with terminology is that when the world migrated from main frames to micros, they grabbed the terminology without understanding the meaning. Most people who work on micro have never seen a mainframe.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: so they misuse the established terminology.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: First computer I used was an IBM mainframe back in -77 or so. Can anyone beat that :)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: And I'll take my leave on that de-rail.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: There was a time when a word was the width of the data bus, for instance.Now a word is stuck at 16 bits, because IBM chose the 8086 (or rather the 8088 which emulates the 8086).
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: A word is 32 or 64 bits on most platforms.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: and the micro people thought that word meant 16 bits. The word on an 8086 is 16 bits because that's how wide the data bus is.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: a word is the width of the data buse. A word on an 8088 is 8 bits. On an i7 is 64 bits.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: bus*
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Is this some sort of defense mechanism? Babble aimlessly after proven wrong to compensate.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: This channel is for debating tech stuff. We moved on.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: I don't really know who you are and, frankly, I don't care. But I hope you noticed that I didn't insult you. So I am wondering why you feel the need to insult me.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: I feel insulted when someone who's debating with me rips the topic from beneath my feet without a proper conclusion.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: There will _never_ be a conclusion to that discussion other than we agree to disagree.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: well, I suggest next time yo don't want to listen to someone type the name of the channel, it turns it off.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Still not listening, very insulting.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: let me put it mildly, so you understand. And I hope you feel insulted. Fuck you.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: That's for the curse channel.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: sue me
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: anrr I'm not sure how you can resolutely disagree when there's a wiki that can tell you otherwise.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Ah, color codes are 'at' I see
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: because wiki is always right?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: omg, a twitter peroson
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: person*
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: URL?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: http://wiki.winehq.org/
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Eh, BTW, I was on your side, I think.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Wine is not an emulator, it's a translation layer.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ranrr laughs out loud.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: I don't twitter, btw. That form of reply is used often in crowded forums that don't like clogging posts with quotes.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asmodean Tech: how do i get the client to stop opening up the help file when I press F1?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: there is a preference under file something where f1 f6 are macros
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: File/World properties/Input/Keyboard settings
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Actually, I think I'm wrong...sorry, I'll look it up
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asmodean Tech: ok and I selected F1 and typed circle for the macro yet when I press F1 it is still opening up the help file and doing circle at the same time
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asmodean Tech: actually its saying failed to launch help file and opening up a window 
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: It's in File/Global Preferences/General, just tick F1/F6 are macros
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asmodean Tech: ah thanks 
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asmodean Tech: that worked
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biadas Tech: is there a way to set a multi comand alias -embed semi colons?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: through aardwolf or your client? and yes
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biadas Tech: Client I suppose would be the best route.  Using the standard MUSHclient download
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: what are you trying to alias?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biadas Tech: to start a standard portal alias - portal = hold portal, enter, remove portal
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: make an alias with a * parameter
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: click on aliases, or type shift+ctrl+9
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: in there, click add
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: on the alias line type portal *
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: in the world box type: get %1 <bag>
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: where <bag> is the bag you want to get the portal from
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: hit return and type wear %1
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: hit return again and type enter
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: hit return again and type remove %1
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biadas Tech: Excellent, thanks for the info
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: and finally, hit return again and type put %1 <bag>
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: you can replace the remove step with a wear command such as dual <weapon> or wear <hold item>
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biadas Tech: fyi - the multi command portal alias worked great - thanks again
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Commwolf Tech: Does anyone know of any good mobile clients? Ive tryed midpSSH but its a pain to use sometimes.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Cellphone type?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feathylynn Tech: I'm using MUDMaster for my iPhone
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Commwolf Tech: Yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: im using mud client for ipad
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Commwolf Tech: Is there a version of MUDMaster for Java?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feathylynn Tech: I have no clue
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Commwolf Tech: Ill have to take a look, and then try it out. Hopefuly its better then midpSSH then.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: i know there is an aard client on android, any chance of porting to ios in thenfuture?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: porting, not likely
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: damn. i could use the scripts :)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: the one i have isnt terrible. at least it has mccp
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: on android, IOS, blackberry or any portable, I'd recommend using a vanilla telnet/ssh app to connect to a real computer running an established app for scripts
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that way you don't need to do double the work of figuring out how to implement all your scripts on multiple clients to keep any sort of parity
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: CLI clients like tintin++ or tinyfugue make this really easy. Duckbat's GMCP proxy opens that up to all computer clients (that can run Windows programs)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this will allow you, for example, to use "mapper find" and "mapper goto" from a portable device ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: huh, i currently run mush in a vm fusion. not sure what i can do. but i love running linux programs over ssh
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: can i ask a tech question that doesnt have anything to do with aard
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: lotsa people do
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: absotively
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: that was a yes :)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's the tech channel, so yeah... *blink*
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ok to download a patch on ps3 must i download it from ps3 or is there another way i can
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If your ps3 is connected to internet, you can do it through system update on settings.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: dont got ps3 internet
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If not, download the patch from the ps3 site, save it to a usb drive, plug it in the ps3, and upload it from there.  You're given two options with system update (manual or internet)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: if you have a usb key can copy to usb key then plug into your ps3
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: thanks uhm do you pay for a game patch
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If you pay for a game patch, you've been ripped off.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as long as you're not calling something like an expansion pack a "patch", it's free
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: haha ok uhm a game patch wont ask me to update right
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Well, ps3 patch, sorry.  Game patches won't ask to update the ps3.  It'll just update the game.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: positive?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yes, I'm positive.  And the only way a game can ask you to update the game itself with a new patch is if you're connected to the internet.  Otherwise, it doesn't know there's a new patch available.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: games have to go to the internet to search for updates no internet no check for updates
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Same goes for the ps3.  With no internet, your ps3 will never know there's an update available.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: yeah but i mean my ps3 wont update like from 3.55 3.60 cause most new games ask to update ps3
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: haha so will it or not
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Sony made it so newer games had to have a certain version number (forget which one) otherwise the newer games won't work.  So yeah, for the newer ones, it'll ask you to update.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: i wonder how people will be able to play if they cant afford internet. its wrong. 
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It was Sony's countermeasure against GeoHotz and hacking.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: im done with ps3 though. the screwed the consumer just because of one guy
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: cod black ops didnt and i want a patch for black ops
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Usually only takes one person to make things a mess for everyone.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: maybe. or can only have dial up where they are
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: well shit happens lol and they did try to make amends for it but to each their own
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Get broadband to go.  $50 a month (after you buy the modem) and you get 2.5GB of data.  Problem solved. ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Meh, the hack that brought Sony offline was more than just one guy, and they did make amends for it.  I got 8 free games because of it. ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: 50 x 7 for a guy that aint working
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's pretty expensive compared to normal bundled broadband
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But if you bring your laptop out and about, then it's handy to use if you can't find the numerous free wifi spots.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: -10
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: anyone know where i can get the black ops patch for split screen with A.I bots?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: is that pc patch?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Probably is.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: uhh no ps3 patch what i want
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: after everything with sony, im just sticking to xbox. better latencies, mosty the same games
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Try looking on the cod site, but I don't think that patches are usually available except through ps3 download.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: might be able to do it via thumb drive
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: thumb drive?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Flashdrive.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: why didnt she/he just say that lol i have pc internet  and i really need that patch
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: thumb drive = flash drive
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Do you just have dialup?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: she/he didn't say that because both are very old and established terms
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: na vodacom sim card modem
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Ah.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: yeah so any idea would really help
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: please people
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: friends don't let friends buy Sony
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: huh
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: i like sony i just don't give them my credit card numbers
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: anyone
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: Does anyone play Aard on their android?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: steevz, the guy that made blowtorch MUD client for android created a version of it for Aard that comes prepackaged with some buttons for common Aard stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: awesome.. I've tried blowtorch only.. ill have to find that.
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: board 1, note read 995
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: other ways to play from mobile are to use a telnet/ssh app, and use that to connect to a full MUD client running on a PC
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: still not sure how to pull it off with mush though abe
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: to do it with MUSH, you'd use duckbat's gmcp proxy app and tell it to allow multi connections and allow connections from anywhere
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: any other place beside sony and cod site?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: no idea. do you know if it for sure for ps3. it sounds more like a pc mod
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ps3 splitscreen with bots go to game settings add bots  and some one asked wheres that and said must be patched 1.04 to have it on ps3 so yes
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i'm having trouble getting any of bast's mini windows to show up, anyone know why? i jus enable the plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: use the event window plugin, then you dont need them all seperately
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: do you have to turn on the broadcast plugins for the respective mini plugins as well?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: to many plugins lol 
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: broadcast plugins should auto-enable when you enable a display plugin that needs it
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: like i haven't even added it yet though
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: so when i add a mini plugin, i need to add the broadcast plugin right?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: or it does nothing?
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, you shouldn't need to
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you add a miniplugin, it should automatically add the broadcast plugin for you
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: hmm i see, lemme check, and i dont see the mini windows anywhere
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: many of them have a hide/show command
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or are only displayed at certain times
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: like I believe if you're not on a campaign, the campaign miniwin isn't visible
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: you're right about the broadcast, i guess its just the command
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: hmm i dont see it for moon or quest or anything though
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're not on a quest, it probably has no moons info yet
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: ah you're right, tahnks
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: sorry me again, on bast plugins, i'm having trouble getting the extra tabs to pop up on mini stats, even though i got statsdb up
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biadas Tech: anybody point me in the right direction to get global channels (gossip, newbie, etc) only in the comm log channel on MUSHclient - and not in the main game window?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right-click the comm log
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: turn off echo
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biadas Tech: perfect!  thanks much
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: anyone using mushclient know how to get mush to give me an audio trigger for double or when quest time is up?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: alt + enter, click on trigger. Enter the trigger line as the double message appears. then choose an audio file
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: roughly, its really ez
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: isee thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: zmud has it so that even when i'm alt tabbed the trigger will sound, is it the same here?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: beleive so, my screen will be sleeping and trigger will go off and wake me up!
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: sorry, 1 more, in zmud i had a script that echoed stuff like quests and double and bad status etc in group talk, is there something similar for mush?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i don't see whay you can't make a simple trigger for that if you need it
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i spent 4 hours yesterday writing a trigger and you know what i came up with?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: * Your pierce *
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: am i pro or am i pro
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: got it to work?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: lol yeah, but it's a bad trigger and only works when i use daggers, amongst other flaws lolol
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: any zmud pros on tonight?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone expert using Vmware sphere client?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: if i want a trigger for the line [ 10 minutes of double exp started courtesy of donations being open ] do i have to do something special as there's an [
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: mush client
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Why not use a wildcard if it doesn't work
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If you make it a regex, you'll have to escape the [ with \.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: so something like \[ 10 minutes of double exp started courtesy of donations being open \] ??
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: sorry i dont know what regex means
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Heh, you triggerred my audible double alarm with your question. Guess I need a better match :)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zethien Tech: you bas***** are making my trigger fire stop it...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zethien glares at Donquixote.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: see? that's the importance of not randomly using wildcards lolol
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Can I tell MUSHclient NOT to insert macros into command history?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: I'm using MUSH 4.72 and not sure if this is a bug or not, Shazar is auctioning eq with xterm colour.. On my main window i can see the different colours but on my Communication Log window it does not .. just shows random numbers and stuff and it's difficult to keep track while battling .. anyone can assist?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Probably not much help but it seems ok here, running 4.75, maybe time for an upgrade?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Save your database files, aliases, trigger, and macros. Those you will need when you upgrade.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: GASP* there's an upgrade? ehm maybe another stupid question but where do i save those?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Best way is install to a different folder or rename your current one before upgrading. There's upgrade instructions on the aard web page.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Latest snapshot release is at https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/downloads/detail?name=MUSHclient.zip
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The aliases, triggers, and macros are done in their respective menus as .mca(aliases), .mct(triggers), .mcm(macros) files. I would put them in a "Aardwolf Files" folder. Including the database files. Aardwolf.db and the back_up folder.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: If you use outside plugins, I could suggest making a "Misc Plugins" folder and save them there.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: will have to see if i'm doing it right
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: The instructions on the aard site are pretty good and comprehensive, not sure you still need to individually back stuff up as long as you keep everything in your current folder and use a different folder for the new version. Has the added advantage that if anything breaks, you can just run the old one by changing a shortcut.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: whys the game doin this {chan ch=auction}
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: looks different :/
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: you have channel tags on
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: try typing tags off
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: please DO NOT type "tags off"
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ever
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: type "tags channels off"
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <sarcasm> Forestseer peers intently at WinkleWinkle.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: how do i cchange the text size i'm the windows
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: why would he not want to turn all of the tags off at once if he's not using a client that supports them ...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: "tags off" kills all tags, and should only be used when playing on a dumb telnet client.. tags off will kill a majority of plugins
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: a majority of plugins these days will be using gmcp anyways :P
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: oh man.. did i miss the "i'm only playuing ona dumb client" message again.. my apologise if i did
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: how do i change the text size in the windows?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: what client SirRaven
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: MUSH
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: no idea, sorry :)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: SirRaven, you can change most of the fonts by right-clicking the window or clicking the top-left corner. For the main window, go to world properties on the file menu
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i dind't see a mention of "only using a dumb client"  only that he has channel tags *peers at hsitory*
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: if he hasn't got a channel capture script, chances are he doesnt have ANY plugins right now
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: if the plugin isn't smart enough to be able to configure these things on install, then it's not worth installing
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: all my scripts used to be able to handle themselves on install... :P
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: plugins can be deleted from the plugins window wihtout them having a chance to uninstall themselves
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: plugins directory i mean
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: A sloppy upgrade will do the same
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <sarcasm> Forestseer shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: as far as i'm aware, all the new mush scripts are gmcp enabled anyways
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: not all of them..
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: even comm log window still uses tags
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Write a note on board personal to blunt then
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ascii map is tags
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Most spellups scripts are tags-based
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: true that!! :D
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: inventnory scripts...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Salte Tech: anyone knows wad app can play aardwolf on the iphone?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: iSSH
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: anyone know the size of ps3 black ops patch 1.04 i think
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: anyone
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'm betting the server knows :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: try google?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorressean Tech: anyone know the size of mush?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorressean Tech: anyone? anyone?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorressean Tech: Hey, I demand an answer over here.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: you're about to get one.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: you won't like it.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorressean Tech: I won't?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: 30 mb i think
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: srsly, jump on, play a game, ask the various 12 year olds, they'll be sure to help
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorressean Tech: Dam bloated mud clients.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: 64k should be enough for anyone my left nut...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: anyone know why MUSHclient is sending my commands to the mud instead of intercepting them as aliases?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you are using send to world instead of send to execute
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: send to execute
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: no it ignores the fact that its an aliases
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: and its sending to script
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: send to script requires you to use Execute(aliasname)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I mean it ignores my aliases
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh you mean your aliases aren't getting executed from the command line?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I have an aliases t1 %* but when I type t1 it says theres no command on the mud
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you typing JUST t1?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I used Add aliases to make the alises I'm hoping thats not the problem
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: no t1 guard
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: not workin
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: there's no % in that alias
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use "t1 *" instead of "t1 %*"
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you would ahve to type t1 %guard to trigger yoru example
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: that kind of fixed the problem thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: Hello? I have a question.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes, what's up?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: What are the benefits of the Aardwolf client over vanilla PuTTY? I'm using PuTTY right now, having just found a link to Aardwolf, and typically use it for most non-GUI, text based games. So I'm hesitant to use a new client.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I have a website that explains that exactly
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: one second
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/WhatMakesThisSpecial
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: Thank you :)!
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i highly recommend aard mush client, it's nice
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: I've jtech I feel bad about myself. >.<
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: And that's why. The first lines tell me off about how silly I am to be using something so basic, and...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: I'm even now having trouble just typing into the client to you. T___T
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: there is allure to keeping it simple
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Heh.  Nice typo on the MUSH screenshot ... "You group is empty." *srun*
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that was fixed a long time ago
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just never did a new screenshot
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: Oh! You made this?!
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: Thank you, it looks really nice!
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, Fiendish has done most of the legwork for Aardmush. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: I would give you gold or trvia points but I don't know what trivia points are and I don't have Gold :\ -
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it is very much appreciated
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: Trivia* -
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hahaha
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I accept donations in the form of hugs.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: /me hugs!
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: -wince- Oh. ><
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Try doing tech *hug fiendish
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: aardwolf doesn't accept irc syntax
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommaie Tech: It's MUD syntax too. At least in Iron Realms. @w
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: anyone know of an if statement that will check if %1 is a number?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: using lua mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in what language?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: tonumber()
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can do it a number of ways
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and test for nil
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if tonumber("%1")  will work
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: if tonumber("%1")=="%1" may WORK
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or you can also do if type("%1") == "number"
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see http://mushclient.com/scripts/doc.php?lua=type
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Oh and team command to communicate
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: er
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that would have to be if type(%1) == "number"
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: without the quotation marks around %1
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though maybe that won't work, because of how %1 gets used in
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess tonumber is the safest
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: it worked
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: anyone know size of black ops ps3 patch
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ironically the size is the same as your ex's password
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: k that made no sense
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: neither does all your questions about this PS3 file
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: i work with ps3`s at work and boss said i must get a patch for the black ops
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: It'll tell you before it downloads it.  So just go try?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: true but i wanna know how much mbs to buy
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Anyoen remember how to return the windows to the base stadard?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Devil Remps Tech: is mush familiar with xml?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: XML is not a thing
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: XML is just a mechanism
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Devil Remps Tech: hmmm...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes mushclient uses xml for some things, but that does not in any way imply compatibility with files from other programs
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Devil Remps Tech: got my answer, thank you:)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: xml is basically another coding language.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: xml is just markup
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, it's not
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it doesn't actually do anything
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah it's not even a language
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the meaning of any particular markup is entirely program dependent
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: It's more a way of structuring data
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Okay, markup language.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's a communications protocol
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dread Lord Morinon Tech: Oh, not a lang, a protocol.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't think I like calling it a protocol
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: standard
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: more like the foundation for marking up a protocol
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: all xml specifies is the ephemeral concept of tags
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what those tags do or mean is entirely unspecified
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Devil Remps Tech: so basically it means I can transfer data between diffrent platforms....like a uni platform or something like that?...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no...xml is just a way to structure data
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it doesn't actually mean anything, except to the specific program a particular xml file is designed for
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Devil Remps Tech: ok
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: thanks for telling me where i can get cod black ops ps3 patch 1.04 wasted over 30mbs just looking for it... And still cant find it
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you're most welcome
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: if you say so
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i do 
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: torio, put game in ps3, load game, download patch
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: whatever
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: games for ps3, and xbox360 auto-patch themselves if connected to the internet
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and deosn't a PS3 have a browser?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: dont got internet for ps3 so gota download it on pc put on a usb and manually install it
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: are they inthe same house?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: why? if not connected to the internet, there's no multiplayer, so no need for uptodate versions
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the pc and the ps3?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: i use mush on my ps3
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: How do you type?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: mad props to luminous
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: keyboard for ps3
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: i also porn from my ps3
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: you can get a bluetooth keyboard for ps3.  I make things fun, and use a microsoft bluetooth keyboard that has a usb dongle thing... plug the usb into ps3, and bluetooth away
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: I was considering setting up MUSHclient to recognize an XBOX360 controller w/ the messenger keyboard.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: and then hooking my pc up to my TV in my living room, and really drive my wife crazy by playing a txt-based game with my 'xbox'
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: heh.  I used to drive my wife crazy playing muds on a front projection screen via pc
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: dc
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: wife insanity ftw!
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: nothing quite like mudding on a 12 foot diagonal
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: ok, so it got hard because resolution sucked, and I went back to a standard monitor, but still.... the geek factor....
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Imagine how many plugin windows you could have
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: not many... it's still only 1600x1200 resolution (at least what I had at the time was)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: hehe right now i'm on dual-screens, one screen is just mini-wins :p
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: I have one screen of mud text (tintin), and one screen of pr0n
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Damn WAT. Installed Win7 one too many times so my key doesn't work anymore.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: any zmud pros on?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: What do you need?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: is there a way to get variables to appear in a new window?  ie a list?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: see the various printing commands
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Sure.  How do you want them to be displayed?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: 2 lists side by side top to bottom
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You can do #WIN WinName %expandlist(@variable, %cr)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Two separate lists, I'm assuming?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: ya
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there's also #WINDOW, #ALL (if you want them in all windows), and :windowname: (preserves original window focus, removing the first : sends focus to windowname)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: #WIN WinName %expandlist(@variable1, %cr) ---- %expandlist(@var2, %cr)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Not sure how well that one will work out, to be honest... Hmm.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But if they contain the same number of items, you can do #LOOP %numitems(@variable1) {#WIN WinName %item(@variable1, %i) --- %item(@variable2, %2)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Make sure you close out the value with the } like I forgot to do.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it doesn't matter if they have the same number of items or not.  If a referenced value in a variable doesn't exist it will just print a blank value
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: ya same number of items
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: True.  Guess he could use the larger list to make sure he got everything. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: so "#window targets %expandlist(argets, %cr) will give me a single list and if I want a second, then use it again with diff vars?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that will print one list below the other
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: so 2 lists would be best in 2 diff windows then
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Use my second example (#LOOP %numitems(@variable1) {#WIN targets %item(@variable1,%i) -- %item(@variable2, %i)}) for multiple lists.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what are the contents of the lists?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: targets and locations
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: already figured out how to populate them, now just want to display
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: are you getting this from, say, a campaign or GQ?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: campaign
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: so the moment of population is essentially the same, yes?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: have you looked into datarecord variables?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: no I havent, I am still newish at learning all this, I was happy enough just figuring out the populator.  
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: datarecord variables have a nifty looping command called #LOOPDB that lets you refer to each iteration by name (%key for the name of the keyfield, %val for the value stored there)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: does lua have a write equivelant other than print everytime i try write it doesn't compile
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: so Instead of using variables it uses the database to record?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Demoniacal Agramon Tech: on musclient i want to set up 2 similar aliases...one is cc, and the other ccc...how do i make it so when i use the alias ccc it doesnt read cc?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: How do you hide channels in your main window of aardmush?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Aha! Turn echo off.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Thanks me, you're so helpfull.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PastamanT Tech: I can't move my mushclient windows with full range. If I try to move them past a certain limit, the cursor turns into a yield sign and won't let me drag the window. What's up with this?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is this limit somewhere that still has the window fully within the screenspace, or are you trying to move a portion of the window offscreen?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: cmud question: any ideas on how I may have suppressed INFO messages for notes only?  (info notes is toggled on...)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: yesterday, captured normally, today, I don't see any of those messages.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: my guess would be a trigger...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: yeah, searched for them.  or at least, searched for everything with INFO in it.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: since you seem to be acting as though you do not have such a trigger, the pattern might be something you aren't expecting to match on that line.  Could be anything
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It might be a trigger that doesn't have INFO in it...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: does it come back if you turn off triggers?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: good question: I'll try disabling everything.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Just search for "#GAG" and go through those.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: hmm....do you see INFO messages for your own notes?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: I tried posting a test message to Personal, with all triggers disabled, and didn't see anything.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you do not
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: oh.  well, my test idea sucked, then. ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: ...so, what do I need to do to test this, without spamming people?  or do I just need to wait, with triggers off?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: write a note to me if you want
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i don't mind test spam
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if you at least know the format of the message, you can try the ECHO command or use #ECHO/#SAY/etc
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i got a "testing
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Did you see my note to you?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: (Tyebald, that is)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: ok, it's something on my end, I see the text if all triggers are off.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: send me one more test?  triggers are back on.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you've got the message now, do it from your end
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: might even be able to use the gameside echo command to reproduce
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Use your own echos. ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Dokkar.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: ah, I gotcha.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: (was trying to figure out how do do it, given that my own notes......you know, I'm just going to chalk this up to Monday and leave it at that. :P)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: so....what should I look at if echo'ing the text to my screen works as expected, but mud output disappears?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you have a trigger gagging it :P
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: wouldn't that trigger happen for echo'd text?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, it should... :P
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: ok, so back to my other question. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oh, echoing works
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: misunderstood
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if the echo'd line shows instead of getting nabbed by your unknown trigger, then either the trigger pattern is including ansi codes and your echo color codes are in the wrong place, or it's a regular trigger and there's an extra space or somesuch in the pattern that you didn't include in the echo.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: just had etz send me another note, and this one captured.  don't know what to tell you.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: I hate this type of problem.  I learn nothing from it, so I can't prevent it from happening again.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: "toggling all triggers off for a while and then back on" is not a solution. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I just told you what the issue was.  Aardwolf is just like every other MUD from a coding standpoint.  Sometimes stuff (ie, color codes) is just not where you expect it to be so if you're looking for that in a particular spot your trigger won't match.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: did you compare lines in the Script Debugger?  That's the best way to tell where the ansi codes are, if something isn't happening how you want it to
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: the trigger shouldn't have been looking at ANSI codes.  but more to the point, I didn't change any code, other than to toggle off all triggers, and then toggle them all back on.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: misbehaving triggers aren't always the obvious ones.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: yeah.  that's why I was hoping there might be some ideas along the lines of "oh, phantom stuff, try this."  it was a shot in the dark.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: I added one new trigger today, to try and copy note info to another window.  but I disabled that a while ago, and still wasn't seeing anything show up, until a little bit ago.  is it possible that disabling the trigger wasn't enough?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: very much so.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: so, what is necessary to *really* disable a trigger?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the basic problem is that some other trigger than the ones you were working with fired on lines you didn't intend them to
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: since this trigger fired at the wrong time, there might be other things dependant on their firing (ie, conditions in a multiple-state trigger) that would then never fire because their lines aren't going to appear until you did something that brings those lines up
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: what about MXP stuff?  the new trigger was attempting to generate active text.  no multi-state stuff, but it had both #CAPTURE and #MXP in it.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: no #GAG, though.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: (or variant)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: your mxp prefs in the child window could be blocking it...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: text generated in that manner will allow other triggers to fire on the generated text, if Trigger on Trigger is enabled
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: however, you cannot change the text used by #CAPTURE, so if #CAPTURE was the culprit you would've likely ended up with an infinite loop
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: no infinite loop.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: the trigger on trigger thing....as a general rule, when should that be disabled?
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: when you want to print something to the screen that cannot be put there via #PRINT or other commands that bypass the parser.  Mostly in cases where you aren't really changing the text of the line sent by the game.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: now that we have #PRINT, you almost never have to disable it--but #PRINT doesn't work with active mxp formatting (ie, clickable links)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: I was trying #MXP for that (wasn't trying to embed it, just wanted to see it....on it's own line would be fine)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: it worked, offline....
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: online, I noticed the info messages had disappeared completely.  then, I disabled the trigger.  but still no info.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: disable another trigger.  Keep going until it comes back.
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: then, I disabled all the triggers, and re-enabled, and now the basic capture is back (minus the "new" behavior, which is still disabled)
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: well, at this point, I'm just waiting for "real" notes to be posted, since I can't generate info for my own notes. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: with cmud how can i change what i see in the right click menu? like if i want to right click an item in my inv and look at it id it or drop it, then click on the item i want
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I'm still trying to figurue out mushclient coding
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: can anyone suggest a method of putting channels in separate windows?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: capture channels using gmcp and build your own miniwindows>
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If you're using MUSH, why re-invent the wheel?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or if you're talking about separate windows for different channels, take a look at the existing coding and see if you can figure it out. ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: mushclient doesn't put them in seperate windows, it puts them all in one different window, I want a gossip window, a tech window, etc.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: and I've been staring at existing code, which is a great example, but I can't figure it out :(
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Then follow my suggestion. ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: what would happen if you were to copy and paste the existing code, then change the window name part, then remove the channels you didn't want to see on each one? (just a thought without having checked the code)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I tried that
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: what did it do?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: obviously I did it wrong because nothing changed in either window.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: my only success was making a duplicate window :)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: so what did you end up with? 2 windows showing all channels?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: yes!
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Gotta look for the makewindow function, or something like that, I believe.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or that. :p
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Lag... *sigh*
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I'm not that technical, but I'll look at it further when I'm more awake, thank you for the suggestions.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Heh... I'm going to bed here shortly, so I'm probably just as braindead as you are. ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: hmm... well if you play with one copy of it at a time, at least if you screw up that one you might be able to just delete it and you'll be back at the start
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I used to play anarchy online, and you could tab the channels, in one window, and the tabs would blink when they had activity.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: like after copy and paste leaving one as is and changing the other
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: and there were shortcuts to change active channels.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zylias Tech: zmud does that too - not sure about the shortcut part but it flashes or something the tab bit
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: mieko talk to anaristos
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: he has a setup something like what you're describing
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I'd be using zmud but I couldn't work out the mapping part, and mushclient maps are awesome.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zylias nods at Mieko.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: thank you Kurojiryuu
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: you should of made your name longer, it's too simple as it is :)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i'm just trying to get a line like [3] Your pierce <--*--><--*--> IMPLODES <--*--><--*--> a pudgy tailor! [277] to trigger, regardless of damage and stuff of course
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: anyone help me out?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: well, change the numbers and the <IMPLODES> to *
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: like [*] You pierce * a pudgy tailor! [*]
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: and the mob name, perhaps.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: that is, if you only want to trigger on a pudgy tailor
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: if not just do [*] Your pierce * [*]
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: does the [] thing need something before it though? like and \?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no, not unless you ticked the regular expression box
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: so [*] Your will work for any weapon types etc?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: well Yeah I guess
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: Just migrated to mush myself, and I'm having trouble creating basic logon triggers (to input user name and password).. are there any special options I need to check for those?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: so '[*] Your *' ?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: just mess around with the different options there like diku and whatever til you get one that works
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: Does the Aard client gag hunger and thirst messages?  I don't think I've seen them since I got it.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: What numbers do they first pop up at?  I'm trying to test some new triggers.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i would be that you only get hungry from level 6 and higher
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: it could be*
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: No, it starts at 5.. just noticed it this level.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: How do I send multiple commands to the mud using lua?  I'm trying Send("wake;scan"), but it sends the whole thing and doesn't understand the ;.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Execute("wake");Execute("stand")
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: yeah, or Send
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: ok, I thought I could use it all in one function.. thanks.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Might try a newline as well.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: That ought to work in one function.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: Got it.. according to the site, Send does not evaluate command stacking, aliases, etc.. Execute does.. thanks!
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Ain't that obvious?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: Perhaps in retrospect.. I'm coming from mudlet, which didn't have that distinction... I'm relearning a lot.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It's the same as the Send to thingie in alias window.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: ok, 1 last mushclient question for the night.. I have a font I liked using with mudlet that isn't in my default windows list.  I could copy it over, but I am trying to do a usb install for mushclient that will work on any computer.  Is there a local directory I can copy the font to for use on any pc?  The font subdirectory doesn't seem to cover it.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Put it in the MUSHclient main directory on you flashdrive. See if that helps.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Hey guys, I just pasted the bast plugins in last night, and they worked like a charm, I really liked them. But this morning when I started up my MUSHclient, it froze and didn't work. I just cut them out and pasted them to my desktop, and now my client's fine again..any help?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: where's my dynamic linker know-it people's o_0, i notice that when linking a call to something like printf, it'll generate a relocation at the operand of the call instruction, and also .. maybe about the size of a address before that or 4 bytes before that, what's this second relocation for in the .text section here?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: only thing that comes to mind is the return address, but that would be after the call instruction wouldn't it?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: using readelf -r and objdump -d on a helloworld program
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there's similar program's for the pe/coff executables
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so the linker will make the relocation in the plt section be the address of the dynamic linker, which will look up the address of the loaded function and insert it there after - but just that second relocation has me wondering, the guy talks like it's common obvious sense but it's not
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you do need a return address for a function to return to when calling a function in position independent code, so that has to be generated independently in order to keep it's position independentness, but why would the relocation for the return address happen .. -4 + puts 0 + puts or something like that?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it seems x86-64 code does some base address randomization too, within amounts of the 48 bit virtual address space, it's virtual addresses don't seem to be written in absolute's, that is for all programs that i seen
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you can use some hacks to make them load at the same points , i think, they had fixed addresses on 32 bit 
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or the hacks to modify that
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: reasoning is that without knowing where something is located in memory it's more difficult to wrie shellcode to  with it
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: without using a plt and gop thing you can make a position independent shared library with system calls and the stack, lol, i wasn't able to use the --library-path switch to over-ride the ld_library_path on suid executable's, but i tried
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so they're not there than :-/
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they seemed to know about the dynamic linker being used as the address through which the dynamic linker resolves symbol's, i figured they'd know about the second relocation in that hello world program too, shrug
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: has anyone else been having issues with comm.quest gmcp?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I haven't tried using it
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: dunno, it's twice now since my plugin hasn't captured the info from comm.quest when it has been working previously
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: kinda weird
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: with cmud how can you move rooms in the map to a different level, i accidently created some on the wrong level
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kaija Tech: Anyone have any suggestions for a video card that's being neurotic and working some of the time? (I'm kind of assuming something is loose but I am unsure)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Anyone know how to restore my DNS on windows 7? I seem to have picked up malware that causes names not to get converted into IP which bypassed AVG
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: dns normally comes from your ISp
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: do you get a response when you nslookup?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: but you could use google dns as an alternative for testing
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Well something happened. My internet only connects to websites that are inserted through IP and not by name
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: level3 is 4.2.2.2 google is 8.8.8.8 if you need servers
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle claps at Carinae's actions.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I'm impared with these things, so I really have no idea what to do
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you will want to fix it under network properties, tcpip v4
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: anybody have any ideas on cleaning up malware when the user can't browse the internet and only has 1 pc?...
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: reformat
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mikejs Tech: safe mode, remove programs
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Safe mode, or check your proxy settings - some malware my wife got on her comp made the internet less easily accessible that way...
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Pedwiddle: I'm having a similar problem. Can't access the internet.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: hahaha... ok somebody please walk sammael through the steps. i iz a code monkey :(
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I /was/ able to do it with IPs, but that stopped now too
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: haha you were asking for sammael?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: that can probably be fixed by reseting winsocks, etc after you get rid of whatever is on there
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Carinae nods at Pillow.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: ...lol
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Kuro: It just... happened. Scanned my pc, nothing showed up, and I downloaded nothing
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle is agreeing with that A throw pillow person again...
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: you could do what Pedwiddle said, or easy way out is to use blunt force, and reformat your computer
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: sometimes if youv'e had an infection.. re-install is best anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I would, if there wasn't so much crap I wanted to save on here. And I'm afraid the virus will follow me through backups
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what anti-virus are you using?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: AVG
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: hmm, do you have an external harddisk?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Yes. Plugged in right now
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: ah, is there enough space to copy over the important stuff?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: because if you can't isolate the virus/problem reformatting would be the easiest way to go
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: additional information, whatever it is set his dns servers to some south african source. if anybody has ever seen that before
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Sure is. I don't have windows 7 with me though
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: So not sure about a reinstallation
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah.. .make sure it's not jsut your dns before trying any of that
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no need to reinstall on a reformat
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: it returns the wrong results on lookup
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: OK. I'm a dummy with these things. So I'll need to know how to see if it's my dns.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: or how to isolate the problem and dispose of it
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: sammael, your os is win7?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Yes, Kuro.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: k hold on =D
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: :)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Witch-king Sammael . o O ( A whole pc scan showed nothing either.. )
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mikejs Tech: ipconfig /all in command prompt will show your dns
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: sammael are you using wireless or lan?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mikejs Tech: google also has a public dns server which is pretty handy... 8.8.8.8, or 8.8.4.4
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: Sammael, are you using wireless or lan?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Wireless
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: can you screenshot your ipconfig /all and send it to me in a link?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I'm afraid that I can't connect to any site in my browser either
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Is there anything specific you'd be looking for though, Kuro?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, the DNS addresses
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: You mean DNS Servers?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: 41.48.23.30 and 31.48.23.29
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: eerr... not 31, 41
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: alright, go to control panel, network and internet, network connections, and right click on your wireless connection and click properties
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: also...try doing another nslookup for say, www.yahoo.com and see if it still comes back to 155.232.240.19
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mikejs Tech: ping times out for both of those dns servers
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mikejs Tech: so i'm guessing those are just dead dns servers
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Strange. It gives me two addresses for yahoo
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mikejs Tech: that's normal
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Let me guess kuro, you'll want me to change the DNS addresses?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mikejs Tech: are they set to obtain dns automatically?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Yes they are
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: mikejs...when dns servers don't answer it could be an isp that does not allow noncustomers to interact with their dns servers too? i believe, anyway :P
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I don't think it should be on the isp side
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Kuro I'm at the properties by the way
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: for both IPv6 and IPv4 are they obtained automatically, the DNS servers?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mikejs Tech: yeah it's not on the isp side...
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: nod. it's not on the isp side, but i'm just saying, you can't test valid dns servers by pinging them
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Yeah they are set to automatically
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: his lookup for yahoo returned: http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/69.147.125.65 
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mikejs Tech: well i can ping my dns servers, and google's
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: you can. but that doesn't mean the isp has to let outsiders use their servers
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: his isp* rather
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: i worked for a large consulting company previously. laptops were never set up with static isp dns because of that
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: allowing pings is entirely separate from allowing DNS lookups...
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: nod
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: also why nslookup on the dns server is better :P
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: what i was trying to say is pings don't validate a dns server :( except i suck at saying things so i'll just stfu now
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Changed my dns server addresses and now it works. Though Obtain DNS Server Automatically just reticked when I opened properties again
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, you'll have to figure out what is hijacking the setting
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Even though set back to automatic, things seem to be working fine now
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: what happens if you ipconfig /displaydns? ...
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: out of my depth already, get abelinc to help =P
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: been fiddling around to see what could be the problem heh
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ninjakid Tech: how do i convert a ecm file to a bin file?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090329140155AA1wMlm
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ninjakid Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that was the third link in a google for "ecm file"
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=ecm+to+bin
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: my link has a great tutorial
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and was entitled "how do I convert .ecm files into .bin files so I can use it on my emulator
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: how can i find a field's longest record in a database, in terms of characters, with an sql query?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: for that.. it would depend on the db.. i'm assuming sqlite?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: let me look at documenation
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: There are probably better ways, but "select * from table order by length(field) desc limit 1" seems about right.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: max(length(foobar))
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: depends on what you're looking for, but do a length and a max on top of it
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: both of those gave me errors...
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oh, ok, i got it
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: sorry about not answering your question.. waht was the solution?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: tharnin's and carinae's both worked, but i prefer tharnin's since it shows the entire record, not just 64 :P
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: (my next question was going to be, how do i figure out which record that is? :P)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: oh
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: you can select FOO from BAR where length(FOO) = (select max(length(trim(FOO))) from BAR)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: minus the trim
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: you don't need to trim if it's VARCHAR
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, well tharnin's worked for that anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: nod
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Car's may be better though, if you start getting big data sets, depending on how sqlite handles the 'order by max(field)' bit.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: shrug, i got my answer anyway, i don't really care how i got it :P
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm curious as to what's in that field?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: mob names
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: biggest brag filter?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hmmmm .. interesting..
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: can i ask what the longest name symbolises?  I'm just curious
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: (the longest one i have is 64 characters, pyre's shopkeeper)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: symbolizes how to display in columns ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're asking what a practical reason to care would be
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i am.. that makes sense
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Abelinc with the tech-oriented answer. I was going to pitch that he was putting together a trivia quiz.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, i just gave the answer... :P
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, longest-length mobname for a GQ target I've seen so far is 59 chars
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, what was that?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but that's cuz it truncates
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the MOB's name is longer, just not shown in gq i
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cheena
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: recruiter in cougarian
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: Cheena, the C.A.T.S. Recruiter? that's not 59...
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's longer
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's what gaardian shows it as... :P
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oh, wow
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cheena, the C.A.T.S. Recruiter (Come and Join the C.A.T.S.!
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, that must have been added with the recent update to cougarian then? my mobdb is a bit out of date :P
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, no, the mob name is just Cheena, the C.A.T.S. Recruiter
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the room name is Come and Join the C.A.T.S.! (Cougarian Army: Tactical Squad)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, heh, byproduct of having to choose one set of parenths or the other for mob or room name...
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Anyone run into the Portal 2 issue where the sound stops working after the Valve video?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: The Google does not seem to know anything about it :(
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that leaves 55 as my longest MOB from GQs (another that has parenths in its name, but this time I know it's really the MOBname :P)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, the wily thief (hidden in the shadows) in mirror realm?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly.
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that was my second :P
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: google is useless
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm guessing your db is insight
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, sorry, research...watchmen called the same cskill insight :P
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ahh, nod
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they changed it after interrogate
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I have an inquisitor alt that has some output from interr., but haven't played with that in like a year & a half
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hehe
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Seems as though Steam is stealing audio
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: maybe its a glitch?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: how do you erase cexits on mush mapper?
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: check mapper help :)
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i was about to answer that... Myrkuls answer is better
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: tks, forgot the syntax for the help file ^^
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Anyone want to help me with a plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i will
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: but i only have 5 mins
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Winkle, are you still there?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yep.. but not for much longer
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Do you have the set of bast's plugins?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm afraid not.. i use my own
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Oh okay...his spellup miniwin is telling me: "spelltag_on" not found.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ok.. type "tags"
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: is spell set to "on"
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Yeah...spellups is set to yes.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: spellups i mean
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ok  that's about as far as i can help.. i can only assume it's not finding a skill for an {affon,xxx} tag.. which skill/spell does it complain about?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Here's the copy/paste of what it says:
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Trigger function "spelltag_on" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gotta reload the plugin when you get those
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (or restart mush)
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Okay, I'll do that now then, and see if it helps.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: THanks!
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: do what abe says
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: My client comes up, loads all the plugins in the status bar, but when it says "Ready" and the login page comes up, it freezes.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: I just removed the "Bast" folder from my worlds folder.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Now it works again.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Machiaveli Tech: Yes, winkle. But I can't tell to you...it says "winkle smurf machine something something does not want to talk to you"
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Anyone know of a script to function as a damage short-hander, but for spells?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: wish they would put that option game side
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mnmchilo Tech: anybody know of a client for blackberry?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Is it possible to tell MUSHclient not to insert macroed commands into command history?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lyf Tech: Would anyone know why MUSHClient wouldn't be saving my command history?  I have the setting to do so enabled, but it still isn't doing it.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Using macros?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lyf Tech: not that I know of..
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The keypad numbers won't save, if that's what you're missing
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: are you thinking of autorepeat?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lyf Tech: I'm just trying to get a good prompt, but I have to copy and paste every time I change it because I cant tap the up arrow to get to the last command I sent
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Is there any reason why the click-on-qmob (Bast) wouldn't register a mapper speedwalk for the purposes of mapper resume?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: How do you set the input bar in mush to auto expand - I updated, but carried my settings over, so I think I've overwritten that setting :-(
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Using Aardmush?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: yup
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: last question on here might help -- it's doing the reverse:  https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I can manually resize it, but I've been told the latest should automatically resize when you copy/paste multi-line input
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: this probably doesn't help, but i just dled the latest version, using mush the first time, and it does that automatically
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: so taht should be the default
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yeah, I'd say it's auto, but I copied my entire world file, and may have overwritten something I shouldn't have :-(
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: not the most tech savvy here i'm afriad, sry buddy
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: mine is r956, and I don't think I've done anything that would change that, and mine doesn't auto-resize for multi-line input.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Hooray! The faq certainly did help, thanks Leinei - needed to do SetOption ("auto_resize_command_window", 1)
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: how do I read the top part of 'mapper help' in aardclient, if my main window has no scroll bar?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Scroll wheel, and the bar is on the far right
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Audreyiv Tech: ah.. wheel does work, thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Seriously, the very far right of the main window is where that bar is
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: OS X Lion is out!
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: does anyone know why i get an encodepointer entry point error witch the aard pack of mushclient but not with the original non aard mush
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: running an old win2000
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody know anything about the /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume stuff on a linux machine?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: nobody's got answers for me on google or linux chant rooms
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: What distro? There seems to be quite a lot of info in google, but I've not even got it on either of my distros
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's debian, but ubuntu is probably similar
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: That explains it, not running either here...there's quite a few links in google though, what problem are you having with it?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i get the error E: /scripts/local-premount/resume failed with return 255
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: right after the grub screen, and the bootlogd doesn't record it, cause i guess bootlogd's not logging then
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: The first page I tried had info about auto reconfiguring it, might be worth a try, it's in the debian kernel handbook if that's any help
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there's a file called /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount/resume and in my /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume file is listed the UUID of my swap filesystem
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: my swap is listed in /proc/swaps and all of my filesystems are functional though
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i read one site that mentioned the swap filesystem being messed up after a unexpected shutdown while in hibernate state
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but another person says they have swap uuid listed in that resume file and don't see an error at boot
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: To be honest, I'm only guessing based on what google throws up, never used debian. Are you using suspend to disk? That's what it seems to refer to.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, after an hour or so
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but at reboot's the only time i see the error
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Maybe you could put some diagnostic stuff in the script, try and figure where it's getting to before returning with an error, might shed some more light on it, not sure if that'd work during boot though. Other than that, I don't know.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: only that and something to do with somebody having a hard time getting custom kernel's to boot in debian caused by their /tmp filesystem being mounted noexec, but there'd be more info if that was the cause , i think
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: like dpkg or apt saying a kernel isn't fully installed
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i could try that but i don't want to go messing with all of this software i don't understand, it's alot of interdependent stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe the computer would blow up cause a md5 sum doesn't line up on the script, lol
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Spotted a post on google with your exact error, related to encrypted swap, could this be related
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: nah, i don't use filesystem encryption
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: too much of a slowdown for a one person pc with nothing very personal on it
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't see what good 'reformatting swap' would do when swap is mounted fine in /proc/swaps or turned on
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: which is one advice i seen listed
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's not even a filesystem from what i understand, just a scratch pad for the kernel's memory manager
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Only specific stuff I can see is mention of /tmp and noexec in the debian buglist, so I guess you've seen that one. Just a page full of copies of the same thread. I'm out of ideas, sorry.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i seen that one
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm out of idea's too, though i did try remounting /tmp to executable, which is a security risk and probably not something required by the system
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and then re-running apt and rebooting and stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: only thing i can think of is removing the line from /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume and seeing if the error shows up
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but like i said, i don't know how all them tools work
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause it's probably more than just swap being resumed after hibernation isn't it?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'd assume so, don't know a great deal about debian or suspend/resume
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think i'll try that, and if it fails, boot into the rescue mode and add in the line again to that file
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause the script mentions adding entries to a resume list
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe it expects to not be shutdown and not to deal with swap after a shutdown while in hibernate
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: storm or something kicked power out
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: If it is swap related, might reinitialising the swap help? Just clutching at straws. Also might be worth checking the swap partition for bad blocks, could be a flaky drive
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'll try that
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Also, if you've got reasonable amounts of ram, you should be able to run without swap. Not sure how you'd configure that in debian though
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: running badblocks now, though i think it's ok
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't even use any swap space usually
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i just keep it around in case
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you can make up to a 16 exobyte executable on x86_64, what the hell kind of executable would that be?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and if i'm not mistaken, the address space uses only 48 bits of the 64 bit addresses, so how would they go about maping it?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: my assumption math can be off though
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: what do you people figure about this here linux phenomenon on non-position independent executables:  http://pastebin.com/Y8JHGAhE
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'd expect the stack poitner to be pointing the same place for every invocation, and the start point of every executable to be at the same address
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: like it was on 32 bit
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i could print out the address of main too, i geuss i should try that
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: .text 400400 address of main 400534 address of .text 400450
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: after i added the printf for main
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the hash table is used to look up symbol's and seems to be where the addresses start to become different
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe with the new information it gets adjusted to a new start address
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: in x86 it was fixed addresses, .text are laoded at 0x08048000 followed by .data and then by .bss which is the same it looks like - then the last byte is located at 0xbfffffff, where the bottom of the stack is
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but both of those seem to be different on 64 bit
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody know how that works?  what determines your .text beginning independent of a fixed-address like x86 had?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or how the stack pointer is randomized
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: nobody has the answer for me :-/, i imagine it's reasoned out there somehwere
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: why not care?  it's how a program gets turned into a process on a computer, if it's different from one to another the difference is probably recorded somewhere if it's not a constant step
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Imp Druzil puts it on the backburner for now
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i managed to fix the /scripts/local-premount/resume problem by changing /tmp to a executable partition and running dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools , rebooting and then changing /tmp back to normal
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i wonder why they don't use /var for that instead, since apt executes things in var
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Good to know you've got it fixed
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: hum hum heh how do I like.. get the map thingy back to where it started heh heh it just like... went into the main window hum hum heh
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: nobody knows heh hum hum heh
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: I mean like there must be a way and stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: hum hum heh
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: hello?! hum heh
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: planet beavis to aardwolf
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: hum hum anybody out there? hum hum heh
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: for the second time tonight my minimap has gone from the minimap window into the main window in MUSH, how can I fix this?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: I am using version 4.75
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: am I talking to myself?? does the highest rated MUD have NO tech support?? that's not very helpfull for people who want to donate... If I were a newbie I'd be gone by now
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: do you have map tags on?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: I just turned them on but I have no idea what they do
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: still have the same problem
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: they display <MAPSTART> and <MAPEND> around the map, the map capture plugin needs that to know where to start and stop the capture
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: whoa you're impatient. it's only been like 2 minutes... people here go afk a lot in between stuff... you just come across as rude imho.  and yes people usually answer questions on tech, but it is used by less players than some channels, and less people have the knowledge you seek for tech-related stuff.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod merlis, i personally don't use mushclient, so my help will be limited, sorry
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: i read the question the moment you said it but had no idea what to suggest so i said nothing.  if on the other hand, you were asking something i knew about...
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: ok fine I will go and donate my $400 to a different MUD I have been far from rude this is the second time ive had to ask, there was no response the first time, I had to restart my machine (which takes ages) and reconnect. screw this no wonder Aardwolf is falling in the ranks
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: What?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: what do you mean what
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: .... we'd be better of without you if you think "[20 Jul 20:55:16] Willtherebtp Tech: am I talking to myself?? does the highest rated MUD have NO tech support?? that's not very helpfull for people who want to donate... If I were a newbie I'd be gone by now" within a few minutes of asking a question is not arude
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, you could try waiting for someone familiar with mushclient to log on...
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arc Tech: this is a free MUD, merlis is 100% right, there are plenty of PLAYERS that are willing to help when they are ABLE and ON... which isn't all the time
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: ok so it might be rude but its the truth
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: I went through the academy and I came across more LD players than I have fingers
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: not really, we're not a help desk here. if there's no one on who can answer your question, you'll just have to be patient and wait
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Rude doesnt really get you anywhere though, so you're being self destructive.  Try asking a bit later, maybe someone with a bit more knowledge on the subject will be around.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: this game has really plummetted in the last 4 or 5 years since I started...
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: if you've played before you should know that there are no employees here as you might be used to with iron relams muds, materia magica, world of warcraft, or other MMOs.  everyone is a volunteer.  the money from donations goes towards having the mud on a good server and internet bandwidth/connectivity and hard drive space for the mud and it's backups, etc.  maybe some might go to lasher IF there's enough left over after that stuff, for the time he puts into the mud so that he can afford to be able to survive and still put so much time into the mud, i don't know... but anyone who helps you in aard is volunteering their time to help you out of the goodness of their hearts.  they are NOT employees.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: I asked for help not a lecture about money I never mentioned money
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: yes you did
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Actually you did, sorry to burst your bubble.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: actually, you did.  you mentioned donations at least twice.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Actually, you specifically talked about how upset you are and not going to donate.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: guys, I think he's just a troll, let him go.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: the only reason im trolling is because this is the tech channel and it appears that no one knows how to fix a basic map problem
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Including yourself, welcome to the club.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: people troll on the public channels all the time.. jeezus where have you been...
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: that doesn't mean it's good practice, if you want people to be willing to help you in any way ever.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: as soon as I made this character someone said on public channel your name sucks, no-one on the 'tech' channel can help with tech, I ask for help saying im not happy donating if the worlds most highly rated MUD the tech guys cant even resolve a minimap problem and I get a lecture about donations, told that im being rude, yawned at and generally pissed off
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: If you don't like the quality of service that you aren't paying for, go somewhere else. The game doesn't provide tech support. Other players do.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are no "the tech guys"
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: we are players, just like you, who just happen to know more than you do
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and are often willing to answer questions when asked by people who aren't obnoxious
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: but obviously you dont... this is my point
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just logged on.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Your point so far as I can tell is that you like acting like a jerk.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arc Tech: how is that your point? at the TIME no one was online that was able to help, NOW there is
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Fiendish runs circles around 99% of this mud in terms of the knowledge you're asking about
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: So now that I'm here, why don't you ask *me* your question.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you might want to not tell fiendish he doesn't know more than you do, considering he's the guy who wrote the client you're complaining about
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arc Tech: and since supposedly you've been here for years and years you'd know fiendish would be able to help you
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: you know what ive taken so much shit for just asking if i can get help with a minimap problem the first time i was ignored completely (about an hour ago) had to restart my machine ( which takes ages) same problem occoured, couldnt believe that no-one else has had this problem or doesnt know how to fix it, been told im a jerk by someone who now wants to help you know what? I cant be bothered
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Willtherebtp Tech: off
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Then neither can I. How easily the problem gets solved.
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Yay!  Time for punch and pie!
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: he had an issue with his minimap showing in his main map window
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i saw it but i didn't know how to help
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: same don
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: (zmud) if i have disabled subclasses, export a script to text and reimport, the subclasses don't stay disabled. how can i make them disable for people who import my script?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why do you disable subclasses?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cause i don't want those triggers on at all times
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh you mean the subclass is flagged as disabled, not some magic program flag that removes them?
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's disabled currently, in my settings, but that doesn't 'save' when you export
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm. it's been a long time, but maybe you could insert a command in the script file after you export to disable them
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i suppose i can just add a couple #T- lines to the end of the text file, but that seems like a messy way of doing it :P
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think you'll have to specify that the file gets executed, though
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: one import method might not process those
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, will experiment
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, i got it, thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: so witht he ip change is there a way to make the mccp client work liek it did?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: is there a plugin for mush that has to do with repops in any way?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: anyone ever download apps outside of itunes appstore and have it installed onto their ipod?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: in zmud there is a #loop and #wait command, anyone know what they are in mush?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: when mushclient asks world internal variables have changed, do you want to save? when shutting down, what does that mean?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Click yes :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: damn i keep getting scared into clicking no
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It means you've added an alias, timer, etc. Or a db has changed, iirc
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: haha ok thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: oh one other thing, in zmud you have #wait and #loop commands, is there something similar in mush?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That one idk - lua will definitely have it though
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: anyone getting lag?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: thanks i'll mess around with it
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: not really getting lag here
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gortak Tech: The map screen isn't updating on my Aardwolf MUSHClient.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: does anybody know some of the details about how the memory management works in a computer?  does the virtual-physical memory mapping's for each process get loaded with each process switch?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's what i kind of figure, a process might come with a pointer to it's mapping's, cause otherwise the mappings would step on eachother, and this processor map table would have the used mapping's updated , maybe causing some overhead
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the processor can't really have a array of infinitely long processe structure's could it?  so it must be something like that, has the mapping loaded at process switch and somehow updated translation table's 
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: It's kind of a complicated topic, nothing that can be taught on a channel. Try to find some good webpages or books on the topic.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i have some reference material's, i was jus curious if that was the gist of it or not
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause the reference material's come in books on kernel design and stuff like that
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i have a book 'understanding the linux kernel' from o'reilly that i bought like 8 years ago and never got all the way through
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i geuss it's cause there's so much prerequisite knowledge to making any sense out of it
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Anybody here have one of those green laser pointers and/or 50 to 100 mW laser units?  Looking to get one but don't know what manufacturers are reputable.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Wicked Lasers looks interesting but I guess they have insane shipping delays and bad customer service
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: getting an error upon completing a quest and login, mushclient, run time error, Plugin: miniwin_stats (called from world: Aardwolf), any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You need to reboot mush - it's a bast plugin error
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Have you updated recently, I believe it was fixed
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i've restarted a few times, same error, should i try disabling and reenabling?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i just got this 2 days ago
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Finish the quest, then reboot mush
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Wait, 2 days? Idk then, sorry
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i think it started when i started a quest on antoher client and finished it using mush
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: is there a way to wipe the sleight clean so to speak? just the one to do with this error that is
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It is probably an issue with your statdb - it can be fixed by manually editting, if you are up to that?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i'm happy to delete my statdb, i just want to keep my aliases etc
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: do you know where that's located?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You can edit the statdb so you don't lose it, if you want?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: can you tell me where the statdb is located?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Or just delete Mushclient/logs/stats.db
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: tahnks
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What is this statdb?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What does it hold?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: tracks all of your activity, to yield various stats, i.e. reward %, times to complete, etc
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Ah, thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: sorry i'm an idiot, i logged out and forgot where it was located lol
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: mushclient/...?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Mushclient/logs/stats.db.......or tech -h
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: ah, thanks for the command too
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: cool thanks i just deleted it and i think it made a new one
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It will make a blank one
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: does it really matter? it doens't seem like you lose much utility deleting your statdb does it?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Are graphics cards additive if I have two or three?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: they can be
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: but not automatically
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: and generally you'll need the same brand / model
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and they'll need to explicitly support the feature
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: and some form of "bridge"
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: with a special cable between them
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the wire between them thingy eh
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: CrossFire was it?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Hmmm so most likely no if I just add a random one...What about specifying in a game to use one for texturing, another for xyz ?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: crossfire or sli bridge, are the feature you're after
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: depending on if you have nvidia or ati cards
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<sarcasm> Forestseer Tech: but there's no way in most games to just go "use this for this part, and that for that part"
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: ATI Radeon 3650...durn I'm having problems with witcher 2 :-(
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: is * in zmud supposed to match nothing? it seems ^(*)$ won't match blank lines...
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: no it matches something.  has to be at least one char i think...
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but if you go to the test tab and hit test trigger with the sample text box blank, it says it matches :/
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i imagine notheinr would be ^$
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yes winkle, but that won't match if there's text on the line :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i want to match anything, blank or not
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ok ok.. anyhting
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i had a problem testing triggers with that thing cause of newline's on mushclient, sometimes what seems it should work doesn't always work
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ^.*$ then
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: when i was trying out triggers
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: this is zmud, not mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's regular expression isn't it?  that's all the same
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, neitherh client uses regexp by default :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's not by default, but can be...let me try that
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but both will allow you to use regex
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i assumed regex as that was 1 char off a perfect regex expression
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mushclient's standard pattern matching is glob, zmud's is a zscript custom
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ^(.*)$
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, same problem
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the test tab says it'll match nothing, but it doesn't
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: myrkul, is it not firing, or not capturing?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: not firing
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: given the parenths, seems you're trying for a match to do something with the text, but whatever that function is may not work w/o actual text, so wanted to be sure
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, i thought of that too, so i had it just increment a variable
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: worst case, you'll hafta use 2 trigs, one for blank, one for non-blank
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, i thought of that too, but it's a bit more complex than that, since this trigger is a second state :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but it's noncompliant that ^(.*)$ won't work
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when regex is selected, that is
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just confirmed that * does match blanks, echo abc123 fires ^abc(*)123$
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so, it looks like a bug with it not matching blank lines :(
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You'd use ^$ for a blank line.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: In z/CMUD.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he wants to match a line, blank or not
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so had tried ^(*)$, and had tried ^(.*)$, neither fired on blank
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, i think it might be a mud issue though...one sec...
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: does putting a \n character in there before the $ work?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, dunno how a "match absolutely any line" could be a mud issue :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the ^ and $ means the space in between the beginning and end of a line iirc
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nah, they're 0-width characters for beginning and end...that's why ^$ does work
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i wasn't sure if it reads the \n as part of a string or not, some regular expressions do or can
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Could change it to regex and just do ^.?$ :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i tried ^(.*)$, that didn't work either :(
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: No, that wouldn't work.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the frustrating part is that the test tab matches blanks for both those patterns
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why wouldn't that work?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'd work on blank lines and lines with up to 2 characters
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Of course, in zscript, you could just do ^{*|}$. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i tried that one too, actually
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: didn't work :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but only if the premise worked that ? was smarter than *
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, I realised that after I stated it, Abe. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i think it's a zmud bug
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i was just going to say \s+|.+|.* might work
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, and zMUD isn't supported anymore. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause the pipe at the end of a (thing|) matches a pipe iirc
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: No, Druzil, it doesn't.  In {}, it's a string list.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: shouldn't, druzil
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's basically saying match 1 OR 2 OR 3 OR 4.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the .* means 0 or more printable characters followed by a $ end of line and preceded by a beginning, but do spaces count in that?  for whitespace you need something like \w don't you?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: are you asking if spaces are characters?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: druzil try a* too. 0 or more means 0 or more
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: or really any character*
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the . is anything...
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: o_0 k
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if there's nothing wrong with the regular expression then, maybe it's just the trigger tester
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: like ihad problems with
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think i had to type in my input in the testing box then hit enter for it to match, instead of just typing it in and hitting match
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use echo for testing triggers
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or another great way to test trigs is to telnet into a box and cat a textfile :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: schroedinger method they call it
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's only shroedinger if you do it with the monitor turned off ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so, i guess i'm gonna have to change my design a little. if i have multiple trigger states, and one doesn't match, is there a way i can make it skip to the next one instead of resetting back to the first?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Using #STATE, I think.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: even if it doesn't match? the code won't be run...
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it should stay at one state until you tell it to enter another state, no?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, it's a within lines 1 trigger
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the answer, Myrkul, depends on if you are expecting it to sometimes not match or if the nonmatch was unexpected
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: what do you all figure about the programming language fortran?  is it a good one to pick up to learn about other forms of programming languages?  in addition to c and things like that?  or would you think perl to be a better one to pick up first?  it seems fortran looks alot different but still has alot of applications today
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, he's expecting the nonmatch
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so if the line immediately after didn't match, it goes back to the first
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, the nonmatch is unexpected, but as it's a zmud bug i'm not expecting anything to happen about it
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he has 2 possible patterns for the next line, he wants to be able to have matching either of those patterns work to go to the next state
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just need a workaround now, and i think i have it
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: use a stringlist, then.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can always use pseudostates...variable of in_state_2 or something
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i can't get it to match blank lines, dokkar
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doesn't work, dokkar
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tech -h for a while
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ^{the pattern for the line of text you want to match|}$ doesn't work in ZMud?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i can't get it to, no
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ^(*)$ won't match blank lines
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's why I mentioned the stringlist
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i tried ^{*|}$ too
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: did the line in question come up previously?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'm writing an enchant script, one sec, i'll paste the code
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: #TRIGGER {^* begins to hum softly.$} {};#COND {^(*)$} {#IF %match( %1, "^Unsatisfied with your focus, you silence the *.$") {mode code here}} {within|param=1}
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the problem is, that second state isn't matching on blank lines, which is one of the possibilities that shows after the 'item begins to hum softly' line
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what comes next?  A blank line or the prompt?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: in theory: a blank line, the unsatisfied with your focus line, or the magic pulses through the item line
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Really, you could make a separate trigger for the focus line, and just match a blank line in the condition.  The 0 state will t+ "focustrigger", and the blank line would t- it.  The focustrigger would then #STATE "humtrigger" 0.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but i've also seen things like spellup wearoffs immediately after, which is why i'm going with the (*) pattern
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, that sounds like a good workaround, etzli
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i really shouldn't need a workaround though, ^(*)$ should match blank lines :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Not really, since the (*) means any character, not 0 to infinite characters.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ^(*)$ matches blanks in cmud :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: nod. he's using zscript. i looked up the doc and (*) does match as myrkul intends
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: lemme rephrase.  What's on line 3?  You're starting with the starts humming, then you have one of two (three?) possible results which I assume all appear on line 2, so what comes next?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Carinae Tech: well should match as myrkul intends :p obviously doesn't match
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nothing comes next
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: does the regex support lookahead at all.. and coudl that help here?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: enchant spells show either one or two lines
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i dunno, winkle...the regex engine is about 6 years old
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i got something working right with negative look ahead to detect when a bunch of the same attack spells had cast
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but i couldn't match blank lines in regex either, with ^(.*)$
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm not familiar enough with what you're detecting.. but if you can use multiline matches for regex you could do a positive or negative lookahead to see if the next line is the one you want
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: inm y spell case i keep detecting ^Your miasma of pain... until it's not Your miasma of pain.. then i could potentially trigger
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ^(Your miasma of pain .+\! \[[0-9]+\]\n(?!Your miasma of pain).+)|(You are stunned\!\n\n)$
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: winkle...it won't help, because i can't match blank lines, except with ^$
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and yes, i tried {^(*)$|^$}, it didn't match anything
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ok.. but could you match that it's not a blank line? I'm only throwing ideas out
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is the wildcards in stringlist pref turned on?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and can't use ^ in a stringlist to denote beginning of line.  In a stringlist, it's an exclusion operator
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah, that's why it doesn't work then
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: from http://www.zuggsoft.com/modules/mx_kb/kb.php?page=3&mode=doc&k=627: *            match any number (even none) of characters or white space
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, it's not matching none :(
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: mutter, it seems like multistate triggers in zmud don't work well at all
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: they work just fine.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: then why is my first state firing three times, when it should have moved onto the second state after it fired once?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: sounds like an improper use of #STATE or #SET.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oh wait, never mind
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: stupid mistake :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asymptomatic Tech: reset my client after not playing for 6 months, how do i get command echo enabled for mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so, it seems %colorsyntax didn't exist in zmud... how do i convert ansi colors to the mud format?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: first, check %begins() for the existence of %e[37m and possibly %e[0;37m (same color, but one will not match the other in a trigger/function pattern)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: next, check %ends() for either the above codes or %e[0m (not sure which is used, or how ZMud ends the result)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: with those two cases handled, you can then #forall your way through the color codes and %replace() them with the @letter code.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: meh, that seems like a messy way to do it :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, there's no built-in function for it--which is why  was created in CMud.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, there's no built-in function for it--which is why %colorsyntax() was created in CMud.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: does ZMud have the %clip() function?  Assuming I am accurately remembering the action of said function being to put something onto the clipboard (same as CTRL-C) instead of pulling something from the clipboard (same as CTRL-V)...
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Mine apparently doesn't
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: furthermore, if you have the color syntax prefs filled in and copy something, will it automatically convert to syntax code?  It does so in CMud, but I never really used color syntax in ZMud.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I might have the function name wrong, Starling
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: nope, I was right.  It's named %clip().
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, what about it?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I was musing that if ZMud had %clip() you could just push your result to the clipboard and then pull it back out to possibly get the color syntax functionality.  I wasn't sure if ZMud autoconverted ansi codes to syntax codes like that.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, interesting idea
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i got around it anyway, use #exec :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: would certainly be much faster than #forall and %replace
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: anyone know why blackberry volume key doesnt work?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: anyone
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocilis Tech: sorry, never used a blackberry before
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: same here got it for like 2hours now
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Is there any way to bring up the old gmcp mapper for continents (instead of graphical) without having to disable the graphical plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: bigmap off
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Many thanks - should've checked the info first :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The Ascii map has the coordinates.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Fiendish if you're out there, I'm adding a right-click menu option for on/off suggestion to the repository
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which on/off?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The bigmap off
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also I get an email whenever someone adds something to the list
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so you just want to be able to hide/show the bigmap by clicking instead of typing?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Preferably not have to disable it at all, tbh
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, then don't?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not sure how that would be at all possible if you want access to the room view
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you either see the rooms or you don't. how do you propose to modify the exits on a room without seeing where it is?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'm after the add notes option specifically - I know there's a text command, but I prefer the dialog box
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it could only be for the current room, and wouldn't show on the map. sufficient?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: For my purposes, yes - The runto plugin I use matches notes
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you use runto to go to rooms that aren't area entrances?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: This case was vidblain
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Though I've needed to do it avoiding christmas and some other areas
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I've written a runto script for the same reason.  I'm able to run to areas in Vidblain before I can use the portals for the areas.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Though it would be cool to be able to name the area entrances and have a bubble pop up with the name on hover, while we're talking about enhancements :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Oh, Vakieh wants an addition to the mapper to look at the room ID once it gets to Vidblain before continuing on to the area.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: No, I added a note 'vidblain' to the entrance to vidblain, so now 'runto vidblain' takes me there
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: why don't you just use a speedwalk for vidblain?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: This runto works regardless of starting loc
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: so does mapper goto 11910;enter hole
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: if it's in an alias
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: alright, well, I'll consider the request on the grounds that it's probably not that hard to add and someone might want it
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: unfortunately right now I'm wrestling with what appears to be a bug in a probably very rarely used feature
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Which feature is that?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: My chosen mechanism for customizing which channels are captured by the communication log window was going to be a multilistbox, but the "default" table argument appears to not function properly
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'd just wedge everything into a menu, but it actually runs over the maximum menu length if I do ^_^
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess I could get nick to up the maximum length again
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh, so it's a mush bug, not a Fiendish bug?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suspect it's never been used in the way I'm using it
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So you're trying to set up a menu to toggle whether, say, gossip is captured vs. question? Cool feature if you can get it going
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the feature is easy
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the hard part is choosing how to present the choice
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I suppose mush doesn't have a checkbox dialog function handy :-) Programming .net makes me feel a bit spoiled sometimes...
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: multilistbox is almost that, except that apparently choosing none of the options is the same right now as cancelling the dialog
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and also this other bug
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Can you have a hidden option that stays selected? A hack, but I've used it in web dev before
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can you default to a selection of "none"?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that was basically the plan
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well, not default
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but have none as an option
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or even not allow it
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because why would you want a channel window that captures no channels?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: anyone know if there is a way to copy speedwalks on blow torch?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: copy speedwalks from where?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: A mobile client iirc
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I know what blowtorch is ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh...*hides red face
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: from in the client
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use the runto command instead of the speedwalk command?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: You can select text on the screen, but touch selection interfaces are always so fiddly
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: there is a runto command? facepalm
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: heh np
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: super noob question - is there a way to move rooms around on the mapper? seems to be a bit of an overlap with the ft2 rooms
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no, dq
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the rooms shown by the mapper are based on...hmm...how to explain
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: oh you know about the ft2 rooms overlap right? just near the top left of that area with the swans cows and robbers
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: no way a noob like me saw it before anyone else
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean where the rooms shown change depending on what room you're in?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: kinda, except its' the same zone and there's space to fit the right number of rooms without the overlap
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah, space, but the mapper doesn't know ahead of time that rooms are going to overlap :\
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: oh ok, my bad, i'm noob lol
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: this is just how the current layout algorithm works
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: yep, i see, i'm not complaining, it's way better than anything i've used previously by miles
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are other possible algorithms, but it's not clear that the tradeoffs would necessarily be beneficial
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i just thought you did these manually
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why not just store x/y coords of rooms in the db, and then allow moving them around with click+drag?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: like in town they're spaced all correctly
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Donquixote, show me screenshots
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's possible that I'm not seeing the same thing as you
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: dont worry, i'm 100% sure i dont know what i'm talking about
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: nah you are, i'm a real tech noob
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: dont waste time with me fiendish, thanks a lot for all the work on the client though, we all appreciate it
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Myrkul, because that doesn't actually make sense ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: coordinates relative to what?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I think Myrkul is talking about continent coordinates.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no, I don't think so
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i just checked town again, know you're right, they're always 1 space apart, i'm just tripping
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: sorry, was iaw...coordinates to place the room on the canvas
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: then you can essentially get rid of your layout algorithm, since the rooms don't get layed out every time the map is redrawn
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i was jus thinking like the zmud mapper, though that's way inferior to this in many ways
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's not clear to me that this is actually a beneficial track of thought
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's just drawn based on the coordinates that say 'put room a here, put room b here, etc' in the database
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I think mazes would really screw with that, among other things
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mazes are already tricky
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: how does this thing not get confused by mazes anyway lol
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, that's likely the only way you'll be able to allow users to move rooms around
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: like it doesn't just start spamming rooms everywhere...
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cause with gmcp, the mapper knows where you are at all times
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's not possible for it to make a duplicate room
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: ah ok
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: man you guys are geniuses
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: at almost all times, anyway ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: fiendish is :P
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hardly
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Everyone's an expert at something
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: me is expert at noobing
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: you gotta admit i know so little for a t2 it takes skill :p
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I know some T9s that know just as little }:>
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i'll get there and give them a run for their money in due time
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Better to not know, than know and not use it
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: While you're on, Fiendish, are there any circumstances where another plugin would use the speedwalk, cexits, portal info from mapper to get you to a room, and yet not have the 'mapper resume' target not update to that room?
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: turns out this multilistbox bug may actually be a wine bug
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Hmmm a few double negatives in that - I mean the move would not update the 'mapper resume' target
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which means I have to try to update wine, which means I have to see if intel finally released a fix for the graphics driver
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: vakieh: "are there any circumstances" is hard to answer :)
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I haven't pinned it down yet - just wondering if you knew of anything already
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if yore asking about mine it calls mapper goto, so itll be in resume every time
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: But between Spartacus/Xaxz runto plugin and Bast's quest/cp/gq miniwin, something isn't updating
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So sometimes I'll do a mapper resume and be sent somewhere I went several runs ago :-(
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So far the money is on Bast's, but I haven't tested fully yet
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Though the two do communicate, so it could be either :-(
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: anyone know the mush equivalent functions of #wait and #loop? those are zmud ones
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: a for loop and DoAfter
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brunhilde Tech: check out the forum for mush, search for wait or something
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: a for loop sorry?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: for index = 1, 10, 1 do Note(index) end
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: thanks, i'm too noob to get that haha
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's totally ok.. ask away
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: i think starting with doafter is easier, say i want wake, wait 2 secs, drink fountain, how do i do that with DoAfter?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brunhilde Tech: just do world.doafter 2, drink
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: thanks, the forums showed some brackets and stuff and i coudln't get it working haha
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: here is a great resource... in mushclient.. Menu , Help, functions List
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: oh ok thanks, i clicked on help before and it opened a dead link lol
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you will most likely want to code in LUA.. nearly all mush code is in LUA.. it's syntactically a lot like javascript
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: ah function list, there we go, tahnks a lot
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it has a filter box.. so you cna type "doAfter" in it. and it will list all the variants
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: cool, i was thinking of someting real simple, like just an alias, i dont know anything about lua or java
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: say what you want to achieve and it'll help us more
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: oh i just want an alias called fountain, which goes 'wake' '(waits 2 seconds)' 'drink fountain'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: so long as i get that example i can get it working the way i want
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: basically just want an example of it haha
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: why wait 2 sec?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: nah i dont need that function specifically, just an example of something that uses DoAfter, seomthing simple
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: don't forget it's very easy to make timers
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I use 'refuel' which pulls a carafe out of my bag and drinks, and 'fillCarafe' which runs me to the fountain at academy->heal and refills it
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: timers are easy.. but they are dangerous too.. can fly off the handle all too easily
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i have one like my esteemed Vakieh
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: if i were you, i'd just do one alias that 'wake;glup cara;fill cara'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: no i mean i dont need that actual utility, i just like to see it being used. so i get the notation of DoAfter. for example...
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: how would you set one up that sit, waits 2 secs, stand in one alias?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i have no idea how to put a wait time in between
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You an trigger of the muds reaction output if you really want
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: you *can, rather
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brunhilde Tech: there's a require.wait() function
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: "Execute("sit")\nDoAfter(2, "stand")
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: \n is a line break
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: tahnk you very much
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: make sure you Send To "script"
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I bit back I asked someone to help me make an if statement that would only function if the first variable %1 was a number else it would print a note using mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: someone told me to use if tonumber("%1") then <code> do but it seems to fail if I send a space
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: basically it doesn't work
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: anyone have a better idea
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: anyone have a clue whats going on with my laptop?  for like a week my trackpad portion stopped working so i had to plug in an external mouse, now when i started typing, it changed from letters to numbers in order regardless of which letter i pressed, i would get 1 then 2 then 3....
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: could be a hardware issue
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: ok i didnt know if it was some wierd setting or something, i only use a pc to play aard
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: also could be a software issue
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It's easy to tell the difference by booting a Linux LiveCD.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: how do yo uuse a trigger with lua script? Like my spellup I want to recast when I lose concentration but only untill the spellup is done and I want to target the %1 character.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: not possable
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: send to script
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: Alright thats fine but I want to use a trigger during a script? is it possable. like cast something get output if output is what I didn't want then cast again else cast the next spell
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Do the whole lot in a script
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Is there something wrong with this? For some reason it's not adding to the variabl #ar charLevel %eval harLevel+1
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: crap
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: . #Var charLevel %eval( charLevel+1)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: this cmud or zmud dantin?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Oh, good point, haha, zmud
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: just because you don't use eval like that any more in cmud
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: I'm not very good at triggers and variables and all that, but I tried looking through it, don't know why it won't add to that variable
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: any idea what might cause a desktop computer to keep rebooting itself?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: hardware glitch?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: cpu overheat
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: too hot?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'm suspecting hard drive starting to fail, but not sure of what symptoms for that are
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: restarts after a few minutes even when left alone overnight
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: check cpu temperature
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Windows?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods at Fuzzy Madcatz.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: There should be a crash log
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's probably dusty heatsink with worn thermal paste
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Assuming it's crashing, and not "rebooting"
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea crash and immediately starts again
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: most common cause for crashes like that
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'd try out something like http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ and see if they have a hard-drive block checker for that, or if you got a tool-partition on it from the bios boot into that
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: do cpus overheat so quickly?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: already had 4 similar cases this week with hot weather - all because of cooling
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: sometimes you get a set of hardware tests from the manufacturer
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hd tune is all you need if you want to check for bad sectors. however, i'm 99% sure that it isn't your hdd
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and if cpu's overheating and you haven't overclocked it i'd check ventilation around the fan's
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, any easy way to double check if it's heat sink problems?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: get ageia64 trial version
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or something like speedfan
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and check your cpu temperature
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it doesn't stay up for long, like a couple of minutes, so pretty difficult to get that on
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or just reboot and check bios for cpu temp
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ah, i can do that
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ok, then i'm 99% sure it's the heat sink
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: after a few minutes, do you just sit there and watch it turn off?  hibernate can put it into a pretty dead like state
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it just restarts
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: get some compressed air and blow the dust away. i'd also rip the heatsink off, clean the bottom and apply new thermal paste
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you use that maybe try disabling some power management, if it was changed by you before it started happening
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: find a howto if you've never done this before
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: also check your processor fan and make sure it's working
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: googling
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: people usually apply too much paste
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: if the fan over your heatsink dies, it'll do similar
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: If you're getting a blue screen of death, there will be a crash log telling you exactly why you're getting it
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: you need about a pea-sized amount of paste is all
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: pea?!
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: more like a rice grain
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: a blue colored screen flashed once, but the font size didn't look like the normal windows blue screen
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: blue screen white text
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: depends on the fan/heatsink...
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you only need a fine-fine layer of paste
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: try booting into windows safe mode?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: the size of a dried pea, not a fresh one
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: anything more than that will be counter-effective
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe you got a virus and need to use a backup point
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: virus is a possibility, but I'd check the hardware possibilities first--they seem more likely
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: let me rephrase - apply as little as possible and it should cover the cpu's top surface. again - as little as possible
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but now, ignore the random suggestions and check the cpu temp
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i deal with this stuff on daily basis
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: trying to find temperature under bios info
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what's a normal temperature?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: any luck? all decent mobos should provide you the stats
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: around 50-60
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 40-55 or so is good iirc
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it seems to be going up
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Last time I had a similar problem was because my new version of the ATI drivers couldn't handle my computer going to sleep.  Think they've long since fixed that problem, though.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: depends on the processor
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: moved from 52 to 56 now
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: keep it on for a while. keep in mind that the bios temp is not under a load
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i assume if it keeps going up that is a problem :p
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: 59 now
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: it's getting into unhappy territory, yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 60 without a load is too much imho
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: 60 now
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: 60 with a load is probably fine.  60 without a load means that there's probably a decent chance that it'll be too hot with a load
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ageia64/everest also has a great stress test that shows the temp under max load
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is it possible to buy the heat sink unit by itself so i don't need to mess around with applying stuff myself?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Fuzzy Madcatz.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's up to 62 now
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: because you need to attach the new one with new paste anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ah
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: just open the case and see if you have too much dust on the sink
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: cleaning it with pressured air might be enough
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: stabilized at 63/64 at bios screen
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i never seen a heat sink wear out before, i could see dust and stuff causing a problem though, and a fan not spinning properly
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: and also look and see if the fan on the heat sink is spinning
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's spinning alright
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: check all the vents on the pc, get a air nozzle and blow out the case, see if the fans move properly
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: fast?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: does it have dust carpet?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: There's generally at least two fans in your tower
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i have a pretty crappy casing :p
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: cpu fan speed is supposedly around 1600 rpm currently
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 64 without a load means that it probably goes to 80+ under a load. high enough to cause reboots
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: even most crappy cases will have room for at least two fans
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: But nods, I'd get a can of compressed air (moisture-free) and just spend 10 minutes blowing out all the dust you can
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i have a can somewhere, need to find it
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 1600 might be a bit low, mine runs from 2500-3500 iirc
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: might as well pick up a tube of thermal paste if you have to go to the store, it seems like mine needs to be re-pasted about every 2-3 years
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: different machine's though, i have 30 cm fan's i think
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: 30mm? :)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: first time i've had these symptoms anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: last pc lasted about 4-5 years fine, didn't even clean dust
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: thermal paste wears out
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah i was off, it's 120 mm
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: 120s on your heat sink?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it all depends on the case and where the computer is located
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but i'm pretty sure it has two speeds and both are above 1600 rpm
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: My moms computer has lasted about 13 years now
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i have a fairly bit heat sink, i think my card fan is large , i have a littler computer here which has alot smaller of fan on it
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: pentium 4, that usually runs around 45 degrees-48 degrees
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: to be fair i have a mid end graphics card and fans that lead outwards other than psu :p
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: mine's an 80 on the heat sink, 5x120mm in the case--no cooling issues even with all the hard drives and optical spun up
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no fans*
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 5 120 mm fans?  wow
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that must be a large case
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: yeah, I take my cooling seriously
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i blow the dust off while it's still attached to the cpu right?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: Antec Three Hundred case, Druzil
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it helps
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: two in the front, one in the back, one top back, one side
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i have a xps 700 case, it's fancy and large for a pc
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: wow, crapload of dust there :p
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the side fan sounds like a good idea, depends how the case is designed i guess
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: after that, should i just boot up and watch temperature?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: I decided to go with the Antec, better materials, and a better setup for me in being able to set up an almost completely toolless desktop
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: it's all thumbscrews, so I can handle it myself on all but my worst days physically :)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, ease of maintenance is a good thing
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: except for the motherboard, fans, and dvd drive--I mounted those with regular screws...but I don't expect to be futzing with them very often
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the default setup on my computer cut even the professional's hand twice who was tasked with changing a psu on it
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's not too friendly and could be better like that
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: yeah, mine's got all rolled edges inside. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, messing with fan's something to do maybe once a year for cleaning them
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: none of that sharp crud
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: I clean fans about once every 2-3 months, but that's because this place is all carpeted and the case is under my desk.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lots of lint and stuff like fibres you don't get on a solid floor like mine - mine collects some dust but i spin the fans around with a nozzle and blow the case out once in awhile
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i should set aside a hour or two this summer and give it a proper cleaning
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, my bios software tells me the motherboard temperature is too high too
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: did you look in your power supply?  if that doesn't get proper ventilation it can get pretty hot
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: not a bad idea to shoot some compressed air in there as long as you've got the can
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: my motherboard doesn't have a fan though
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: at least the cpu temperature seems to be lower now
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: most don't, Redryn
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hovering around 60ish
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe it's just getting over the traumatizing processor heat
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i downloaded everest, not sure where the stress test there is though
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: still higher than I'd like, Redryn...think about getting the thermal paste too
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: any idea whether anything can be done about motherboard temperatures?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: nothing much, no...
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: try cleaning out the psu and maybe blowing dust off the mobo heat sinks as well
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: and if you can get some compressed air under the mobo itself (bendy straw under the edge works nice), it might help some
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea, did that already
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: running some random cpu stress test thing saw temperature jump to 70
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so i think will need to get that paste
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: otehr than that, there's nothing much you can do about the mobo
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: Redryn, here's an idea--check and make sure that heatsink hasn't come loose on a corner...
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: if it has, even snapping it back down will help some (carefully, flexing the mobo while doing it would be a bitch)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: but if it has, you'll NEED to re-paste it
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: any load seems to send temperature up to 70ish
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i will probably just leave it alone and get that paste
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: thanks for all the help and suggestions :)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: if you can fit another fan in your case anywhere, it might not be a bad idea--or a slot fan to put next to your graphics card
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: depending on your case and your wallet there, of course--but I'd try to add one to the shopping list
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: heh, i was planning to get a new computer if it was hd failure
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: fan's pretty securely fastened anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: well, then if you can fit another fan, go for it...
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: are there major differences in thermal paste, or can i just walk into a shop and ask for it and they'll know what i'm looking for?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: any paste will do since you're not overclocking
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: there are a lot of differences, but they'll all work. The cheapest silver thermal compound out there will be fine
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i've been trying out ceramic pastes lately, not much different from silver-based
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and remember - just enough paste to cover the cpu. you want a THIN layer of it
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: as thin as possible?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: I've been happy with the diamond paste I'm using, but it's not everyone's thing.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: as thin as possible without having holes in it, Redryn
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the whole idea is to fill small scratches etc. too much paste will cause overheating
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: will keep that in mind, still need to go out and get it some time
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: people tend to overuse it
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: got couple of macs with overheating issues that have been to apple shop for maintenance. looked like they confused the thermal compound with tooth paste
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: so even so-called pros often do it wrong
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: many manufacturers apply too much during the manufacturing process, too
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: low viscosity silver compounds with brushes are easy to apply. hard to overdo
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: should i use a brush? some youtube video mentioned just using a business card
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i clean them with 90% isopropyl alcohol and apply the paste with my finger
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: same here, Dagnir
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: just apply a small drop of it and cover the cpu
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you might want to use a plastic card to remove old caked paste
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: be careful tho - you don't want to scratch the surface
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: and you WILL want to clean off the old paste thoroughly before applying new--90% isopropyl and a q-tip works pretty well for that
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: isopropyl is wondeful
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: keep the swab fairly dry, though
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: got a big bottle of it
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: will they usually sell that within the same store?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not around here
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: don't you have any in the medicine cabinet for antiseptic?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: go to chemist and get a disinfecting spray containing isopropyl
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: don't think it's that high %
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: they're usually around 70-80%
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: the 70% will work
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oh good, i have 70%
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but you want something with ONLY isopropyl. no ethanol or other additives
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: in Canada, isopropyl alcohol is either 70% or 99% or 100%  - the 90% is not readily available in retail stores
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yet another useless fact brought to us by you.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: 100%? no way
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: 99.9% rounded up is 100%
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You're providing false information though, if you quote 99.9% as 100%. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: I don't think most stores would be comfortable selling 100% isopropyl, just due to the ridiculously low flash point
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: like, i can't imagine anyone selling it otc :P
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: And considering the source of that information, I'd imagine, like a majority of his statements, it's wrong.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: Kraft Peanut Butter labels their product 0 trans fats yet contains hydrogenated vegetable oil likely to contribute to angina up to three days after eating that Kraft Peanut Butter
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: goldfish snacks have "trivial amounts of cholesterol"
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: the corrupted government permits food labeling lies that kill consumers
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: Kraft Natural Peanut Butter (no additives) does not cause angina - (may cause increased obesity in some that overindulge)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: How is that tech-related?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Seriously, go troll on channels I keep off to avoid you.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: make $$$ fast! press shift+4
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Shift-F4, you mean.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kyriantha laughs out loud.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: no. shift 4. is the dollar sign. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or, alt+f4, rather.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Riddim laughs out loud at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, I just realised that. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli is slow this morning.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir pats Ebullient Etzli on his head.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: that was cute, Dagnir
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asymptomatic Tech: how do i rid of the big map from popping up on mush client, disable it atleast, keeps coming back after i close it when i recall?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exorcist Jerome Tech: disable the plugin (file/plugins menu)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: bigmap off
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Asymptomatic: If it is the Aardwolf MUSHclient setup that has the mapper, bigmap off turns off the bigmap.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asymptomatic Tech: oh thank you 
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asymptomatic Tech: been messing up my navigation since i reset the client
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Well, that is the way to address it.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asymptomatic Tech: im back to normal now, thanks jerome, turie
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanoob Tech: Why do people prefer to use server side aliases?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: easy to change on the fly
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: because they exist even when you change clients?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanoob Tech: Is there a way to boost your network utlisation as shown in task manager, or is that limited by the routers bandwidth? (I'm using Wifi to cannect at home)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You want to ... boost your network utilization? I suggest downloading some porn.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanoob Tech: I'm downloading a torrent and playing this but my utlization is at 0.8%.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: right now my mnapper isn't using shortcuts in public clan halls, if I cexit all of them, will it?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you shouldn't even need to cexit them
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: All you need is the room number.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: does it not use then when you're in the clan exit room?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yes.. you have to go by room id
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: I just use the rt command, so i'm at recall, it runs the long way most the time.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: rt is probably the gameside version, then
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: scrolling back through history...
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Asymptomatic, you said that the bigmap was "popping up". Did you mean on top of the gmcp mapper or in its own window?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: There are legal bots, by the way. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: mis.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: re-he-heally?
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Self-spellup bots, etc. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli winks at Winkle-2000 Idiocy Machine and Smurf Crusher.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hmm.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: Anyone know why I keep getting this message in Mush? unable to create the plugin save state file ...worlds\plugins\state\<bunch of hex>-state.xml
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: windows vista or windows 7, and you put mush into program files folder
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: I'm running vista, and it's not in program files
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: it's on the desktop which is probably worse? :)
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nah, desktop is fine
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: the directory exists and there's a bunch of saved files with similar names
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: check to see if there's one with that same hex already, delete it if there is
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: alright i'll try that next time, thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Can lua scripts in mush access the variables listed in the menu dialog?
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Just learned Lua uses negative array offsets.  I am not amused -.-
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Sorry, 'table' offsets
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: Almost got a completely php forum.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: including html
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Just throwing it out there, but is there a way in Excel for a formula to always use the last populated row in a column regardless of how many rows there are?
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: populated by what?
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: if you're saying, "does excel have a way of walking the undo history to determine a cell list/column list/row list", I'm not aware of one.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Whatever it's populated by.  In this case, it'll always be a number.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: For instance, if I have 29 rows on one sheet and 15 rows on another sheet, I want Excel to say "Hey, let's take I29 from the first sheet and I15 from the second sheet and use it in the formula, since those are the last populated fields!"
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: oh, ok.  hmmm.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: don't have excel at home to play with any more, but there might be formulas that give something like a LAST() value for a given range.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I think I may have found my answer, thanks to Mushambo.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: can use count on one column with numbers to know how many rows are used, and use index into your formula
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: that was the nice way of saying "no thanks to tyebald"
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: how would you trigger something in cmud on a session being opened?
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Make an event called onLoad.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: awesome thanks. never used events before, good to know about :)
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tyebald goes around ringing random door bells and running.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: shift alt 0 doesn't work to bring up timers. MUSHclient, windows 7 64.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ctrl-shift-0
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's ctrl-alt-f4
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: thats what I ment
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: Dokkar: Shh
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: steevz, well, I can just tell you that I see the same thing on my w7/64...all the other direct shortcuts that I tried work, just not the timers one
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: is there no way to change it?
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: post to mushclient, it's an issue with the client in that environment...all it's doing it trying to do game -> configure -> timers, or click on that little clock in the toolbar at the top
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: will triggers in mush only trigger off of text incoming from the mud?  So not local echos?
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: and if so is there a way to make them trigger off of local echos?
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use the MUD's echo
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: MUD echo works.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or simply add what you want to happen to whatever MUSH thing is performing the echo already ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: i have no idea how, the echo is coming out of a script...basically i was trying to write an alias that would let me type mg to mapper goto the first result i found on my last mapper area search
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: rather than having to click, can just keep both hands on my keyboard then if i search well
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Vale: Did you look at the video linked on Fiendish's Aardwolf Website about making triggers and Aliases?
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: i don't see it on his finger
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: i think i have the triggers written correctly though, they just don't seem to see the results from mapper area
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: go to Fiendish's finger site, then the aard section, then the wiki section, then on the left side uncollapse 'I'm not used to MUSHclient.  How do I...?' then click the Writing Aliases category, then on the right click what you want... if it's relevant to what you're doing
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or you can do the easy way and read 'help mush'
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: or trigger category or whichever
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: vale's question has more to do with accessing results from a mapper find than anything else
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: heh, or that :)  who knew.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: it really isn't getting the trigger written
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: i'
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli obviously knew.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli blinks innocently.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Merlis is agreeing with that Ebullient Etzli person again...
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the question is whether the results are stored anywhere long enough to do a "mapper goto 3" type thing for the third room returned
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: It almost sounds like he might want to look at Winklewinkle's plugins.
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: i don't even want that fucntionality. just only care about the top result even
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: the crazy thing is i'm looking at the mapper xml file just looking for where that may be possible...and then the bizarre thing is if i ctrl-f away, there is no away listed
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: how can that be when the output says stuff like 4 rooms away
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: did you check the lua file?
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: hrm nope
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Monquipupu Tech: im so sorry to bug everyone, but i have a dumb question :(  this is my first time on mudlet, and i cannot get the stats monitors to show up.  where can i enable this feature?  thanks so much for your help!
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rawlin Tech: how do i keep comms off the main window and only in my comunication log?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lmao, wondering why people say ftp clients are so weak (and telnet i haven't looked up yet), i went ahead and did a search.. found out that not so long ago there was a vulnerability 'feature' in the ftp client on several platforms, where when a server had a filename listed that began with a | , the filename would be treated as a script by the owner of the ftp client, and the ftp client would then run it automatically
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that is pretty weak , but i guess nobody can expect it all
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: over my head :p
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: ftp server.com -> do your logins etc, type dir to get a listing, up come's a filename that begins with |filename , the client see's it and think's it's a script the user made
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: of shell commands
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and then runs those commands, which could do alot of things
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's what i think they mean anyways
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: that's a bad leftover from the days when the internet was a safe place where everyone was trusted
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: http://www.iss.net/security_center/reference/vuln/FTP_Pipe.htm
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i guess so, it used to be for local laboratory use and communication between trusted institutions
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: mush has this tree view for triggers etc
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: how do i start a 'tree'?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: like not just have it undefined
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: or ungrouped
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don, in triggers, there's a "group" field
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as you define triggers, put something into that field
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: ok thanks, i'll mess with it
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rawlin, right-click the communications log to see options relating to it...you want to turn echo off to have it not show in main window
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Hi all - getting an error with bast's stat miniwin - 809: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'campaignsfld' (a nil value)
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Started when I finished a cp with mobs left fighting me, reinstall din't fix it
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: try rebooting the client?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Statdb has no missing fields, so idk where the nil value is coming from - any suggestions?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: did you download the latest bast (as of a week ago)?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Haven't updated yet - is this already fixed then?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Changelog says yes - guess I'm updating then :-) brb
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, there was a corrected issue like this for tp rewards for campaigns, I believe he also fixed it for campaigns failed
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Aaaarg - update and reboot didn't fix it :-(
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I did see that in the statdb entry for the cp it used the '67' level, rather than total level (469) - has anyone seen this before? Changed it, no luck
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Crisis averted... had a whacked out statdb entry that thought I was a sprite assassin... Weird bug...
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: When a trigger has a 'sequence' #, what does that mean/do?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Vakieh: Not sure, but it could be the same as priorities in z/CMUD.  Basically, triggers fire in a particular order, according to priority.  Normally doesn't affect anything, but occasionally, you want a trigger to fire before another, so you set the priority a bit lower.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That makes sense
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ravyn Tech: any wintin specialists here?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I use tintin++ on linux, not the same, but ask anyways....
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ravyn Tech: has to do with the install process
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ravyn Tech: I will ask again later.  infant just woke up screaming
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Steevz Tech: Who with MUSHclient on W7.64bit's Ctrl+SHift+0 hotket for timers doesn't work?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: how do you use a variable in ColourNote
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I want it to do something like this
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: ColourNote("#0000FF","#FFFFFF", "Target set as: GetVariable("target")")
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: but thats not valid
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: variable=ColourNote(foo)
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: then you can do print variable
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Use ColourNote("#0000FF", "#FFFFFF", string.format("Target set as: %s", GetVariable("target")))
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ColourNote("#0000FF","$FFFFFF","Target set as: " .. target)
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: thankyou
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Xaxs: that's much more obfuscated than needed.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: ahh .. thats what I was looking for
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: xaxz* sorry, typo
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Ahh, and I suppose Abelinc's would work too if you wanted to omit the string.format.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Concatenation is much easier than formatting :P
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Well, I find strings like that tend to be more complicated than a simple concatination at the end
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: concatenation*
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: string format is c programming style I like it also.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: meh, even in the middle of a string you can easily concat. print("This is a string for "..name.." to show concatenation")
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at FootLong Cheezburger.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Meh, personal style, I suppose.  I find it to be neater code.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I want arget to change if I include a target with my ^de( .*){0,1}$ alias else I want to just cast 'astingspell" target
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: what kind of if statment will recognize if there is a variable provided to this ^de( .*){0,1}$ alias
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: basically I don't want @target to change unless I provide a variable to ^de( .*){0,1}$
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: like im looking for an if %1 ~= NULL statment in lua
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: for this regular expression ^de( .*){0,1}$
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: if %1 then do this else that -- the that being what to do if it's null.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: anybody know why my aardrpg app has a bunch of stats in brackets after every prompt?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocilis Tech: type statmon
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if it's yours, shouldn't you know?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocilis Tech: did you log in from the desktop mush client?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: ty statmon worked
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocilis Tech: tags may be on also
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: that didn't work
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: unexpected symbol near then
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Then you might need to set the %1 to a variable and use that instead.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: when I do that the if statement acts as if I entered a variable
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: actually I get an unexpected symbol near if
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I used local variable = %1
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: if variable then
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: but it says unexpected symbol
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I have something simular that does work
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: local count = tonumber ("%1")
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: but I'm not using numbers
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: tonumber just changes like "2" to 2
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hasz Tech: hi. can someone tell me if there is a auto-complete file for an extern scripting editor?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there is
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hasz Tech: do i have to download it?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, you have to download it
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hasz ) and can you tell me where? or what do i have to search for?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: from the internet, and I would wager you should search for "auto-complete file for an extern scripting editor"
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you want more details, I need more tp.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hasz Tech: thank you so far dokkar. but that was not helping. i allready tried that before i was asking. but thx
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: anyone got some php forum code
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Google does.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: whats the query
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: anyone running vista 64 bit, have mush installed, and got the help to work inside the client?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You have to download the file for Win32 help from Microsoft's KB.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If you try to open up help, it should pop up with a warning saying you can download the KB file from the site.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: what flag turns on the <MAPSTART> <MAPEND> flag?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: I'd suspect mapoff
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: 'tags map on'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: hmmm don't see how I missed that, but apparently I'm dumb lol
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: ah it's not listed on the tags screen
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Itox Tech: it's listed on my tags screen
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: ok i just downloaded utorrent   it seems everything i try to download cost money is this normal     no experiance with torrents   i am used to limewire lol
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: that is not correct
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: anyoen give me a crashcourse in torrent usage and a recommendation to a newbie friendly free torrent site?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: no torrents should cost anything
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: basically if you need to pay for something you're doing it wrong
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: ok   anyone know of any p2p sites like limewire  with movies lol 
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: uhh 
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: i just dont understand torrents i guess
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: being a torrent isn't related to it costing...but one thing that we don't discuss on public channels is illegal activities, which would include pirate torrents :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I'm not sure but bearshare might still exist
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so self-modifying executable's are considered extremely bad programming practice.. but JIT programming languages rely on  in their implementation - gnome mailing list seemed to hint that it was the module's used by JIT compiler's that made the languages weak, what do you think?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: also soulseek but thats more for music then movies
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: oh sorry i honestly didnt know torrent were illegal  my bad
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I use bit torrent for torrent files
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: torrents aren't illegal, torrenting illegal stuff is
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: they're not illegal themselves
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Donquixote nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: (that using a unsafe language like C or C++ is what made hole's in scripting interpreters)
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: torrents aren't inherently illegal,  although files torrented usually are
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: torrents are only nice if there are alot of people using the same file otherwise its crap
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rolst Tech: ok   
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: languages aren't unsafe, sloppy use of them is
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: just thought i'd look it up and see some of how they mean, it's some complex stuff going down to depths of how program's exist on computers
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but sometime's you'll see a big upgrade on a thing like the python interpreter that might change the language construction itself, which was changed because of a problem in the engine/runtime compiler
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a well-written program will be well-written whether precompiled or JIT/runtime compiled
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, but no matter how well you write a python program, it's not your fault what problem's the engine has
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes it is
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or the module's your program uses are - which may be written in C or something like that, since your script isn't what interprets itself
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: again, written in C doesn't make a difference
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: most things are written in a form of C behind the scenes
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: according to the person's opinion on gnome rss it partly is, having an unsafe language such as C C++ used to implement module's (little error checking etc, more control directly) results in problems with the implementations more often than the interpreter does itself
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: interpreter writers themselves may sometiems make mistakes too
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: c c++ isn't unsafe, so according to some guy on some mailing list doesn't mean jack squat
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and saying it's your fault for your script is like saying it's your fault that /bin/bash was actu script that ran rm -rF / on somebody elses computer, while they merely wanted to use your script
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's not your fault that /bin/bash isn't translated how you meant it, is it?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not even remotely the same
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although I wouldn't write a script to use bash :P
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: ok, so this way that this construction of /bin/bash's is developed is only interpreted in this one way, and that way is somebody elses computer - even if it's on your computer, how is it your fault that you used a construct with a purpose and it did have side effects that shouldn't be there but were?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not the script's fault that he had a trojan
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's also not because /bin/bash is written in C
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: precisely, and it's not the scripter's fault that there is an error in the distributed parsing language for his script
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i have no idea why you even tried to argue that
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there isn't "a" parsing language
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there isn't a python interpreter
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are dozens of them
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and bash isn't bash
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: a person make's alot less errors when any little error results in the whole thing crashing
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: some languages try to care but don't break like some other languages would
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and compiled vs interpreted has no bearing in that
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your premise was hugely flawed
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: o_0 I think I will try to find alternative's for all PIC scripting languages on my pc eventually, maybe it'd enhance security a little
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i mean, SMC
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: cable uses frequencies to process information correct?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i found a article on that one time, i think it's just like a dedicated phone line
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: modulation/demodulation
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there's alot of information on google about it
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, cable uses frequencies :P
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: is it possable to set up a private network using a personal frequency with a cable network
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: ack
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think so, yeah, like you have token ring network adapter's and kinds of different protocol's you can use
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you just have to figure out how to set it up
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: generally no, because there are filters on the cable-company-owned demarcs to the network
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: unless you mean just within your own house
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but that's the external network isn't it? doesn't he mean behind in a local network using a different protocol than the MAC or however that's set up?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you sent strange signals over a cable network, the isp might not pass it on because they don't understand it
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're still using MAC
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Imp Druzil shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so it'd be the same kind of signal's, only with different meaning between the hardware?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your computers don't actually have connectors to plug into the cable network...if you're gonna go out and buy an adapter, might as well get a current technology adapter like standard twisted pair ethernet...
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: It would just be an empty signal stopped by brighthouse for me
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the coax-based networks of 20 years ago don't use the same wire/connector as the cable company
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I understand it but I don't understand the global information required to invent anything
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and are snails compared with plugging in a $5 cable from walmart to the built-in ethernet
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that would be a good idea if you could devise a way to totally invent your own way to communicate between computer's that nobody else understands, but i think it'd all be in how you set up the computer's to interpret the same kind's of signal's (the way computer's communicate being that they're told how to interpret those signals)
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nor should you :P
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so if only you know what they mean then it'd be unlikely they'd ever be understood by somebody else, except they could probably structure them if they're watching and figure out the protocol eventually
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if it communicate's over phone line's then it make's some sounds, if it communicate's over fibre optics then it emits some light-like signals, if it communicate's over airwave's then it has some frequency like all other's, can't really get around those limitations, can you?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: theres ways of understanding things you don't know. I mean theres in depths school work that will help you understand a korean message just by the way it's transmitted.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the hardware is what i understood to make sense out of a certain type of those frequencies and to send out a certain type of signal
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: like I learned that gangsters letters have the letter forumala 1000010000000010010000100001 one is the letter that is the real message zero is the letters that are there to destract the read
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you cannot understand a message to be korean by the way it's transmitted...you can understand a message to be korean by the way it's encoded
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: and that was an ancient way of coding messages or something
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 0 is the first addressable piece of memory on the computer, the nul ascii character and anything else you want it to be - mthe same probably applies to the way's devices communicate, this signal at this point means this - that one means that, this one may mean whatever the developer meant it to mean
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: it was actually 1000 0100 0010 0001 0010 0100 1000
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you learned stuff that isn't correct :P
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i had an idea that i haven't seen implemented yet in linux, where rule's would be generated under a default output drop policy, for a locally registered set of event's and allowances by a user, every connection receive's an iptable's rule if it passes the allowed test - inbound and outbound connections
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you have to set them up, and they aren't open all the time but closed when not being directly invoked by a user event
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: umm, you can do that today with no modification
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: how come nobody does it in their tools?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because it's stupid :P
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: type netstat -an and see how many connections you didn't start but are currently open
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: firewalls are there to stop attacks, not to stop you from getting things done
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there aren't any connections that I didn't start
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but you and I have VASTLY different definitions of "you start"
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i start an application that has a link to some code that gets autoconnected, the system didn't receive a confirmation that i intended that to be generated
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it acted on the open()
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's a reason that pretty much no end-user likes Windows Vista/7's UAC...
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: i hate linux because of the amount of programs running after the computer is booted
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that bothers me too majehsto
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: why do i need bluetooth running when i have 0 bluetooth devices?/ and how come bluez is required by gnome?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it isn't required by gnome
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yes it is
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: could not be removed.. reason: gnome-desktop-environment depends on bluez
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: linux has no more programs running at boot than windows or MacOS...
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it isn't
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: set runlevel =3 then you won't have to worry bout much
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: why can't i control whether or not connect() is allowed to be called based on the file opened in an xpdf session?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dependency in packages is not required to run
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: druzil, because you're not using a wrapper program
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: xpdf should come with an option that is by default not allowing that unless i click on the verbatim content requestiong it
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lots of things to hack on linux and stuff to make a nice and tight system
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or you can just start with a light system to begin with...
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: gnome and kde and all those gui's are over rated
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i plan on making linux from scratch some day, probably after i understand more about it
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there's just a billion applications to filter through, or several thousand
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: probably wasn't like that in 1994 or whenever
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't like the X server itself, it's a nice system if you're doing network desktop access
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but why do i want that for home use?  i seen a fully function gui that ran from a 1.8 mb floppy disk with the rest of the operating system
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you looked into DSL?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i seen it before
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: another feature that could exist for linux maybe, is instead of not using the second and third processor mode's and having only 0 and 4, use 3 as a administrative layer that filter's whether or not this process can use this particular system call, and make layer 2 the interface it calls if so
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that might require some modification to try out?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech it came to mind for me before, pretty much with the iptable's idea
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: how to make a much stronger linux distribution
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: modification to the ELF format that does the requirement of part of the executable from a share'd library, only here's a database that contain's the distribution profile for that process, showing at what points and which system call's are made for a quick reference
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: inaccessible to processes running at runlevel 4
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i like my idea's o_0, use them if you like it's why i shared them
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: is there a way to turn off the tell echo in mushclient? I use catchtells, and I see the tell before I ever hit replay
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: only if you don't want to see the other channels as well
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, but what's the benefit of not seeing it?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: catchtells is there so you don't miss them in the spam...when it's captured, you're not missing it in the spam
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: just a pain, I see it, then I forget to hit replay, so I end up with like a bunch of tells that I haven't hit replay for
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: you can tell -h also
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: use tell -h
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: telltags and gmcp both send immediately regardless of catch settings
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: ok so no way to fix it, is all I was getting at :) hehehe
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: if I can't change it, no biggie, just didn't know if it was possible
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: you can type chats echo off
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: but it removes the echo for the other channels on the main output window too
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'll stop it from being shown in main window...would still be shown in comm log
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: so all channels would be removed and just kept in the comm log then?
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: right
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: gotcha
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doing echo off makes them only show in comm log...right-click comm log for that
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: tell -h 10
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: gotcha thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Is Lasher the only coder for the mud?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: anyone have a plugin to keep me from opening client twice and disconnecting first session? My brain isn't working.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which client?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I've done it about 3 times now since I've started playing :)
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i thought mush had an option.. but it turns out it's my imagination.. i think there is a util you can download that will limit the same specified program from running twice
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: is there something in the shortcut properies in windows that came make it check for a previous instance?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if you launched mush with autohotkey you could get it to check for an instance, and if it's not threre, start mush
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i do that for outlook
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I'll do some internet research, thanks.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: nice idea
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and then you launch Mush with a hot key combo
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: oh, I could do it with a vbs script I think
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: saf
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Oops
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: what does { do for regular expressions? MUSHclient says it start min/max quantifier
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it specifies a repeat range
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: {2,3} would mean that what precedes it repeats between 2 to 3 times
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: {5,} means repeats any number 5 or higher
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: {,5} means 0 to 5 times repeated
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that help?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: how come the alias "tmp *" "print("%1 %2 %3")" when used like this "tmp one two three" prints "print("one two three  ")?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: instead of print("one two three")
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: because %1 is "one two three".  %2 and %3 are both blank
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: oh
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: so how do I accept %1 %2 %3
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: make you alias match tmp * * *
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: l
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hasz Tech: does someone know if there is a tutorial on miniwindows in javascript or an exampls?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: The helpfiles should have examples, I believe.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hasz Tech: problem is that they dont work. with win7 ?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I think all the helpfiles are online, too, on the mushclient website
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/mw_intro.htm
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: tutorial for miniwindows
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hasz Tech: thank you Leinei.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: I bought a used manor with a manor pie on the floor of a room. Is this a one off item purchased with the help of an IMM?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: Help mu-index
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Yes, but not a tech-related question
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myopic Tech: noted.. thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: anyone good with php?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: !file_exists("database/".$_POST["username"])
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Poo hop poo? My dog does that. I watched, I could probably give you pointers.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: The trick is to stay squatted, is sort of a crab walk with a little oomph.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: the problem with it is if there are trailing spaces with the username file_exists is not null
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: So trim your usernames. In general it's considered 'unsafe' to use things like _POST and _GET variables directly. Run them through a validation routine to make sure they're valid input ("this user name has no spaces, and is only alphanumeric characters") then use them.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: it's wierd to me because fputs removes the trailing spaces from username
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: fopen("database/".$_POST["username"], "w+"
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: so it overwrites an existing file
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: that doesn't have trailing spaces.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: and when I come along and enter . as the username ?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: well I would hope your username is " "
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: or you overwrite .
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: Tharnin gave you good advice.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I must have deleted the file before I tried because I was wrong about php
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: when creating plugins for MushClient do you have to have the triggers/aliases/variables created before hand, when using the wizard?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for the wizard, yes...all it is is a "picker" for the stuff to include
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: gotcha
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't need to use the wizard to make plugins, though...can just grab a simple plugin as a frameword & edit the xml in a text editor
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: framework*
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: nod, trying to figure this out... I love the look right now, and creating something as simple as a miniwin to display my quest info is giving me a headache, because I can't seem to find the info I want on the gammon site, and translating others code is difficult for me... lol.... 
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, miniwindows aren't simple
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: old windows were simple, miniwindows are a catch-all
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: head to fiendish's site, to his aard mushclient package, click wiki...one of the wiki headings is "Teach me about miniwindows!"
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I never used mush prior to this, I shouldn't say simple, I guess, was thinking it would be "simple" to c/p the info into a smaller window, so I don't have to type quest info all the time lol
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: theres a mini windows mushclient video out there
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: will do thankes abe
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: youtube?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: yea
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: cool
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/mw_intro.htm is the first page of many that go into excruciating detail about miniwindows ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5jXqHOn7L0
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gammon's youtube profile is http://www.youtube.com/user/Jainh872, he's got a ton of videos :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: cool thanks... I tried getting that mw_intro page to load up earlier was giving me errors
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I'm watching one of Nick Gammon's youtube videos, did he play in crocodile dundee?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, everyone in australia did
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mieko smiles.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: nationalist! :P
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: continentalist!
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: It's a nation too :P
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: I thought it was just an island *smirk*
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, but I'm not just biased to the nation, I'm biased to the whole continent
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Hardee har har :P
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: anyone know why bios can read/sanitize a disk but windows setup does not recognize the hdd? i know the hdd works ive taken it out of laptop and was able to mount it on an adapter to usb. dunno what to do next
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: slipstream drivers for the controller?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if the disk is on a raid controller, that may be necessary for windows setup to recognize it
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: if it was on a raid controller wouldnt bios have told me that ?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: depends
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: this is a pretty old laptop 512 mb ram built for xp.. and for the avg home user i doubt it would be something like that
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: What version of Windows is also important.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: then again it could be
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, laptop is unlikely to be raid controller
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: If it's Windows XP, then any SATA controller NOT in legacy/IDE mode isn't going to work without loading drivers.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: k i seen that option in bios i'll try that
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: I personally prefer not to use that option, but if you aren't in a position to (or interested in) loading drivers, that's the way to go.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: NOTE: Still no guarantees...usually it will work, but that mode isn't implemented the same way across all boards.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: nod it was a last resort why i asked here to get a 2nd opinion
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: kk.  In the interest of completeness, you could also use a USB floppy drive to use the "F6" method of loading drivers during setup as opposed to slipstreaming them into a disc.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at L33tM4st3r Lashan.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: yay, I made my first miniwindow :)
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mieko Tech: um, I mean my first working one.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: i was able to disable native sata mode and it picks up disk now, this leagacy mode will be fine for some one who just checks email and surf web right ?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i use Note("you message " .. "here")
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: is there a way in the mushclient to prevent the channel messages frmo going into the main window?  i.e., only have them appear in the comms log?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: you might be able to replace the text with a trigger
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: make a trigger on the {chan ch=*} line and gag it.  GMCP doesn't touch those lines.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: just put black on black
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Mcmartin: right-click on the log window and  choose "Turn Echo Off"
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: I figured that out a few mins ago :)
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: in cmud/zmud if you have an alias called kill, and you do kill XXX, you can in the script use, %1 to access the word/words after kill, so %1 would = XXX, how is that done in mush?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: i use k *
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: so the alias name would be "k *"
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: then inside the "command" section how do you access the *?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: then in the actions you can use kill %!
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: sorry in the "send" section
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: sorry
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: oh it's %!?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I was using %1 
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: that'd be why it wasn't workin :) 
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: tech %! was a typo lol
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: oh so it is %1?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: yea
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: that should work for ya
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}El Gringo Asterax Tech: Any reason why when I try to do "note list" on a board with lots of notes, the connection closes on me?
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: too much traffic
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}El Gringo Asterax Tech: I am using an older version of Mushclient.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: use note list 50
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}El Gringo Asterax Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: anyone have trouble getting mush to trigger off of output from the mud? When you c/p the trigger pattern, and then test it with ctrl+shft+f12
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: any Ubuntu users? having "out of range" problems since upgrade to 11.04..
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: inside mush... I see you can "group" triggers/aliases using the group tab... is it possible to enable/disable a whole group?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yes it is
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: nvm just see the function enable group
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: how would you do an Execute("XXX") function, and a GetVariable() function in mush, so that when the execute goes through, the get variable is part of the same command
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: Execute("XXX " .. GetVariable("YYY"))
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: I've tried Execute("XXX", GetVariable("XX")") but that doesn't work.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: oh it's the ..?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: .. concatenates strings
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: using lua
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: nod using lua
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah use .. to concatenate strings
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: thank you
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: np =D
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Is it possible to implement USB on a windows 3.1 machine?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Well, at that level, you're really wanting to implement it on DOS.  Which presumably is (as such things go) not TOO hard.  But what would you do with it after you implement it?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Getting a working USB stack is one thing, but actually getting stuff that talks to mass storage to accept going through it, or stuff that talks to a mouse to accept going through it, etc, is quite another.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: The problem with DOS is that it lacks a generic device manager, so you would not only have to implement USB, but you would need specific drivers for each and every device. And you would also need to change the apps that needed to use them.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: is there an app that keeps track of how much MB of internet traffic a specific program generates?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: for win7
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: My router does that, idk if you can do it on the machine locally though
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There are some around that monitor local traffic at a given moment though, so I suppose one might exist
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: java client seems more unreliable than normal since server moves
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: any idea what this error means, [string "Trigger: "]:1: '=' expected near '<eof>' 
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: maybe it should be ==
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: if your calling an alias from inside a trigger, does it need to be called differently, or just simply putting the alias name in there is that good enough?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: in mush use execute
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: anyone able to register udids?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i can only register ohnoudidnts
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Iseewhatudidthere!
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: holliday could you clarify?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: 5TP for udid registration
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: how come ^blind( .*){0,1}$ casts "cast 'Cancellation'  target" instead of "cast 'Cancellation' target"
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: cast "Cancellation" %1 does that
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which client?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnazzyPants Tech: is anyone familiar/know anything about Firstload?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I don't get your question.  Then again, I don't get half of what you say anyway, Majehsto.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which part of that doesn't make sense? the two spaces?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: can you see the difference "cast 'blindness' target" from "cast 'blindness'  target"
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: yea
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: its' becasue there's a space in your capture group
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: what should it look lie?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Ah, the line break happened on the spaces, so I didn't quite see it. :p
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: ^blind( .*){0,1}$
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ^blind ?(.*)?$
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at WinkleWinkle.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: no cause when I type blindness it triggers the alias
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: did you try that?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: yea like I said but it triggers on blindness
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: What exactly are you trying to match?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it shouldn't because of the $
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: the other one doesn't if theres no space
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I want blind to cast blind %1 without the space
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: ^blind( .*){0,1}$ makes %1 " target" I believe
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no you don't  you want blind * to cast blind %1
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ^blind (.*)?$
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: try that if there will always be a space
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: nope I want it to match on blind also
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If you're typing 'blind <target>' then account for the space after blind.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: just casting 'blindness'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: would this work ^blind .(*){0,1}$
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hell no it wouldn't
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: so tell me all the permutations you want to match
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: ok just blind and blind target
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: but on blind cast 'blindness' on blind target cast 'blindness' target
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't put blindness in single quotes, no reason for it
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Anyone know how I can make the following work for numbers 1000 and above? It's a trigger. Right now it's currently not working. ^You get (%d) gold coins
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Zmud, btw
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: dantin you need a quantifier  
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Is that 1,000, or just 1000? %d should just match.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then just ^blind( .*)$ with c blindness %1 will work with and without
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Uhhh, the , in the triggers when I loot gold mess it up
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: make it ([0-9]+)  instead of (%d)
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: zmud doesn't have regex
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes it does
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: At least, not the version I'm using
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: %n will match commas in numbers but %d does not
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: starling, type #REGEX
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Inferno.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Ah ok, I'll try that then, thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: for zmud, ignore my answer.. it does patterns differently
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: what you mean ([-0}+) winklewinkle
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm pretty sure regex has existed in all v7 zmuds
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Sorry, if I used your line winkle, I would have to change the action, and I wouldn't begin to know where to do that :P
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: L33tM4st3r Lashan nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: I think, anyways
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno why you'd be using anything newer than 3 without being at 7.2.1
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I'll just rid myself of the space in the casting part then
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: The %n thing worked, and winkles seems to would have worked also. Thanks again, it was a little annoying when it wouldn't add to the variable
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers with Dantin about their shared secret.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Weeaboo Tech: does anybody here have a general working knowledge about mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: we sure do
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar raises his hand.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Weeaboo Tech: i'm struggling with plugin management
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Weeaboo Tech: how do i remove them from view?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: control - shift - p brings up your plugin manager
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: 1) what does remove from view mean, do you want them to still be installed, but you don't see the miniwindow, or something else?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you cna disable or remove them
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Weeaboo Tech: thank you very much, sir.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if i try hunting for "half-griffon judge" it fails.. has anyone found a way to reliably get around hunting mob names with dashes in them?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Don't use the hyphen.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hunt just uses mob keywords...
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mob names are not mob keywords...
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: half griffon judge doesn't work
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: never use the whole name/all words
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there's nothing to get around, half-griffon might be a keyword on one mob, but not another
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at The Reaper Myrkul.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there will not be a programmatical solution to getting mobname lists and shoving them into autoseekdestroy
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: but in this case the mob is called "half-griffon judge" and there's only one of them.. and when i consider him, that's his name.. i've had problems with dashes with other mobs
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: again, you're confusing names and keywords
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: A mob's name may not be all the keywords.  You can have a mob's name of 'A slobbering, wet, smelly dog' and the keyword of 'dog'.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i knew not to reply on the long name, but i thought the short name was pretty much the same thing as keywords
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: except i find places where that's not the case
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cheez, why do you prot gmcp sendchar spontaneously?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and you can make sure it never gets type into notes by using gmcp to request char.* ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: is there a way to read through a notes reply chain without knowing the specific numbers?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note fullthread <one of the note's numbers>
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: awesome ty
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doing that won't change your "last note read" pointer, so typing note will go on to whatever note it would've gone on to before doing the fullthread
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: anyone interested in helping me with accepting multiple network connections?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: anyone recommend a version of visual basics for development?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: version 6
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: or .net
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: vb.net
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Just download the newest version of Visual Studio - whatever that happens to be.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: does that have a specific edition name?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: or is that microsoft studios visual basic 6 enterprise?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: they want 699 dollars for that.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: they have a free express versiont aht is very good
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you don't need "enterprise" anything
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: google "download visual studio express"
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: thankyou WinkleWinkle
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: holy cow 3 gigs
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: What's so holy cow about it?  That's pennies.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Especially by today's standards, where you can get terabytes.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I have a 20 gig harddrive in my computer
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Okay?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Then maybe you should consider upgrading.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Lol 20gb.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: so how ald are you Etzli
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You can get 10x that much for less than $100.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: 31, Majehsto.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But age is irrelevant.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: just getting a blinds eye
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: you need to upgrade.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: ... "blinds eye?"
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Sneak.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Like I said, you can get 200GB+ for less than $100.  Hell, you can even get a 500GB for less than $100.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: even my thumbdrive has more than 20gb
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mine doesn't
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Just saying :p
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: .. if you live in america
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Order online.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Pay the ridiculous shipping costs.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Still pretty cheap by any standard.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I'll switch my hard drives out some time.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: but i'm gonna wait another twenty years.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Just upgrade. Think of all the fun you could have playing Quake 2.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tharnin ducks defensively.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: is it online?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yes... wait 20 years so that 20TB costs you $10...
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: exactly.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I would say 10 years that might be the case.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: what could it be? mouse spontaneously stops responding for a sec, windows plays 'usb connected' sound and it starts working again? doesn't seem to be wire damage, but somehow changing usb port solved a problem for several days
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: i had the same problem, a new mouse fixed it
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: well, I'd like to have some options first, throwing 50$ on a new mouse if it can be fixed isn't a good alternative
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: i tried a lot, seems to be a loose contact, but since i didn't want to open it and fix it myself i just paid it :)
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: try it on a different computer, if it does the same it could be  a windows problem
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: if it doesn't :)
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: oh, that's a wonderful idea, I was dumb not to think of it first :)
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: anyone know if visual basics c++ handles c programs as well?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I thought visual basics handled c programs
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: whaaaaaa?!?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: visual basic handles visual basic...
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: visual studio ? or visual basic ?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: visual C++ handles C
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You mean visual studio?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: In which case yes, but poorly
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: c++ is a superset of c
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I was just wondering if visual basics c++ handled that.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: visual studio manages multiple projects which can be a mixture of any of the languages it supports
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is no "visual basics c++"
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: again, wtfffff is visual basics c++
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: visual basic is a language
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: c is another language
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: visual studio is a tool that deals with languages
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: Ahh so much less to download
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yes, since you have 20GB hard drives that are beyond obsolete.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Seriously, 20GB hard drives today are like Windows 3.11...
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, but downloading 20GB today still sucks
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: So what would be the number one reason any of you prefer c++ over c
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Meh, Abelinc, most people just cut to the good parts of porn anyway.  No need to download the whole file.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I see I will not get a number one reason c++ is better.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: c++ is everything c is, plus objective programming
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you don't plan to use the object-oriented/classes stuff, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with sticking with just c
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I don't understand this object-oriented programming
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: It looks cool though
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: givin all the stuff this wiki book says works.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: you ever get a book that has primary parts of it that don't work.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: yes.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: my original DOS Programmers Reference had a 5.25" floppy on the back that got screwed up when the book got scanned.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, unreadable media's a bit different than examples not working
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: sorry abe... he just said "part of the book that doesn't work"
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I've got a whole book on programming with PEXlib.  I'll bet that's tough to get working now   :p
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: why?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: wassup. you using the computer as an ashtray ?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I'm not sure you can get your hands on working PEXlib anymore.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vakieh digs up his old qbasic manual
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure ya can...but that doesn't make it not work
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: have you got the room for it tho ?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: whats this do [super encodeWithCoder:coder];
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: hmmm.    is that part of the injection system of a car ?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: so how cool are apples?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: almost as cool as cucumbers
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: Must be awesome.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I like cucumbers
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Apple pie...mmmmm.....thats some HOT apple
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: Abelinc are you older then 40?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're referring to Apple Computer computers, then the answer is "depends on what you're doing"...if your goal is just to learn to program in C generically, then Apple just uses GCC, so you can just use that on other hardware
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That is how the progression of age works...you are older, then you are 40, then 41...
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: older comes before 40?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: 39 is older than 38
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: Well, technically, anything older than 40 goes.. 40 and 1 day, older than 40. 
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: Yea I'm older then dumb highschool children.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but are you older than SMART highschool children?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: I lol'd.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Crnogorac Tech: Hint: Its a trick question.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I might possably be yes.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Posably? Like an action figure? Awesome!
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: In any case, I would actually beg you to sign up for a programming course over the wiki books - self taught programmers are the bane of my existence - sure, every once in a while you get a great one, but they are the exception that proves the rule...
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: well. you might be more(or less) intelligent/older than (dumb/smart) high school students, but to be fair, i'm fed up with you. I wish you well in your questions, and wish you better in your answers.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: hello
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hi
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: how do i shut off the update bulletin thing on startup im using mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Did you read it?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, was gonna say I thought it had a checkbox in it
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: ill check i didnt see it
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Because it only shuts off after you've completely read it, and it knows you've read it.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: nope no check box
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: its either click show me or maybe later
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: game -> configure -> plugins...select "Aardwolf_Package_Update", click disable
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: i dont see plugins 
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sorry, file -> plugins
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm used to people looking for stuff in game -> configure
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: ty very much
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: any plugins client doesnt come with that are beneficial
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger bast
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: are there non-beneficial plugins? :P
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You rapidly nod twice at The Reaper Myrkul, in complete agreement.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: maybe not for this game but iv seem useless ones before
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: seen*
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: lol i typed into google aardwolf finger blast and second link is kinda funny
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you needed to type "finger bast" into this window...
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: player's finger info includes websites, such as where they post plugins
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Smacktastic Tech: download bastmush?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, and click on wiki, expand "Bast's Plugins" and look around those to see which ones you like
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: while we're talking about bast's plugins, is his spellup plugin really as good as people say?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: operationally, it's gammon's spellup plugin with improvements & bugfixes
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: is that a yes? :P
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, it does the job :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'm considering trying to convert it again...not really looking forward to it though :(
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: convert it to another client?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, cmud
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you looked at davos's?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, it sucks :P
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what sucks about it?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's just really buggy
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i spoke to him about it one time and he said he fixed a lot of it, but never posted it :P
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd imagine bugfixing it would be easier than trying to port gammon's/bast's
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: bast's code is just impossible to trace :/
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: though i might be able to leave a lot of the external lua file calls as is, i just need to copy the files to my cmud folder...
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think mine for tinyfugue is pretty readable, if you're looking more just for an abstract flow of script
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, i kinda want bast's window display though :P
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, that'd be interesting to port
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it would :P
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: in mush, how do you use a word, that is an alias without using the alias form
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: like, in oz, my speedwalk is called oz
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: for instance oz, is speedwalk, and the goal in oz, lets you go to the second part
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: oops I repeated myself
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: Marz, i don' tknow Mush but you'd have to turn of parsing
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: you could also use a send command.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: pretty sure theres a symbol you can throw in front of it to escape it
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod menace, i want to say ;...
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: not positive though
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: you should probably rename your oz alias :p
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: in the meantime, you can type /Send("oz") instead
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: yay 786 points on stack exchange, still a newb :(
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: can I use gethostbyaddr(newfd) if newfd = accept(yadda yadda)?
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: In C? No.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: how do I get information about the connected host?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: When I switch world windows in mushclient, either to notepad or test port, the main output starts wrapping to ~25 chars for the time I am off that screen.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Anyone know how I can avoid this happening?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: can you write C# to do stuff with cmud?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i think cmud will use COM objects
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ewwwww
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: agreed
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: sad panda
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: cmud erm, what came after COM?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: actual APIs
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: actual APIs?  Like different than what Windows/nix/etc provides?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ever used nunit or third party thing that isn't com?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: theres lots of ways to do it that wouldn't apply in this situation
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: most are better then com
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Anyone know how to work variables in mush into regular things you type? Say I have a variable 'potionBag', and I want to put something in it, I tried 'put xxx in @potionBag' - but the variable doesn't get expanded :-(
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: you could try set up an alias along the lines of "pbag *" "put %1 otionbag" send to script. might work cant really remember how at the moment. too early for me
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: err put %1 @Potionbag
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I have a couple of those (you can do send to world, just check the expand variables box) I was just hoping I could manipulate the variables in main input, without having to bother going through the dialogues...*puts on scripting hat* guess it's time for a plugin :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: you can manipulate the variables from the command line
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Including call them inline?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: but you need to use a script prefix
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: my script prefix is \\\
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: so I type \\\Execute("put potionXXX " .. PotionBag)
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: or you could do \\\Execute("put potionxxx " .. GetVariable("PotionBag"))
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: kinda a pain to type though
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ok, so that works like the immediate box, ok...I can work with that - but as you say, a right pita
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, there is a plugin for potions already though. comes with bast's whole package
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: I'm using it, pretty useful, except it lacks the function to choose what type of manapot it is
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: at higher levels mana potions tend to be scrolls to recite
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: quaff <scroll> doesn't work too well =(
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Pots were the easiest example - there's a few places I'd like the functionality.  I might set up a plugin that triggers on << to expand all variables or some such
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: is it possible using MUSH to toggle triggers in a group on/off all at once?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Averan Tech: What's do I put in a trigger to have MUSHclient beep?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: anything under the sound thing
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Donquixote Tech: any sound file
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Betrayal Tech: anyone decent at access vba
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Betrayal starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: hi can any1 tell me where i can get a blackberry client ?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: ant 1 here ?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sure
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: idk the answer to your question
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know of any blackberry clients
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: grrr ok ty
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nefaro Tech: hi everyone. I was wondering if there were any websites that had recommended builds for classes? I don't want to invest in useless skills
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not that I know of
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: half the fun is seeing what works for you i feel
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: anyone know what versioni of lua mush client uses?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it depends on which mushclient you mean
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and what revision as well
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the latest aardwolf mushclient package uses luajit beta8
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle hugs Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: thanks for that
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I haven't applied the hotfix though, because I don't think those changes matter to us. But I'll do it eventually if beta9 takes too long
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: sorry the aardmush client 
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: in MUSH, is there a way to turn a whole group of triggers off at once?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hold on. I can give you a command to show exactly what version you're using
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: gorsk - EnableTriggerGroup("name", false)
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: thx
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: gorsk you can do that with an alias sent to script
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: print(jit.version) in a script will show the luajit version number
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: luajit beta8 already has some details from lua 5.2, though lua 5.2 isn't finished yet
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: in aard mushclient is there a fully operational lua library bundled for regex? string.gsub just isn't cutting it for me...
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: is it re.lua
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://mushclient.com/scripts/doc.php?general=lua_rex
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: merci!
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: do i need to include a require for this?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: No, although it's not "full" regex.  But should suffice for most everything you need to do with it.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: uh, PCRE is full regex
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and if that's not enough for you, you can also use LPEG http://mushclient.com/scripts/doc.php?general=lua_lpeg
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lelu Tech: I cant find my miniwindow for my events...is there a way to reset it?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: thanks.. string.gsub was jsut crippled enough to make life a pain
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I think recall reading in places in the MUSH helpfiles that it has slightly different functionality than true regex, but I might be mistaken.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Evidently what I remember reading was that MUSHclient's regex isn't the same as Perl's default regex.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Allastar Tech: hmm is their a way to reset mushclient??, like a reinstall
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes, one second
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in the latest version, resetaard should do it.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Allastar Tech: hmm where do you type that at
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: input bar
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are you even using mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Allastar Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: interesting. what version?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ooh, you did the full resetaard now?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Allastar Tech: 4.73
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You cheer Ol' Dirty Fiendish on and wish her good luck!
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: added in 1124
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Allastar, your version is too old for this feature. You can try upgrading, though.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Allastar Tech: hmm is their a way to delete aardwolf and all plugin info and then relog on 
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just delete the client
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: downloading a new mushclient does that
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: be sure to keep you map database!
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no need to delete anything
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, he did ask how to delete everything...
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just download a new folder & open that folder...leave your existing
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, and after he deletes everything, he'll ask how to re-set it up ;-)
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Allastar Tech: sigh
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm considering the most-immediate goal to be "ignore anything I've ever told it and connect fresh"...downloading new folder does that
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: leaving the old one in existence doesn't impact the new one, other than leaving open the possibility of ever retrieving helpful stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: is 4ne;open n; 2nw24n
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: pet store?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: childs play!
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: i'ts 30 north i think
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: exactly you just gotta go around stuff
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: aardwolf provide users with personal web page?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no...why should it?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: it shouldn't
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You can make a wiki page for your character
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: know of any decent personal web pages?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: a wiki page?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: wheres the link for that?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sort of
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read 'help wiki'
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: Why is this required in a infinit loop? "read_fds = master;"
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i have no idea of anything you're saying there
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: It's because your spoo has too much fleem.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle laughs out loud.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: is there a way to port zmud alias/triggers/etc to mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Not directly, no.  Different languages, and all that
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Though you may want to check out http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/ConvertingScripts
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: what does this do "for (; **string && isspace(**string); (*string)++);"
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: in zmud, I manage a Variable like this: "@variable = xxxx" or "wear @variable"... how do i do that in mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: SetVariable("varname", "varaiable attribute");
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: and local variable = GetVariable("varname") if you want to use a variable in lua for lua code.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: is it possible to get a div to expand the whole height of a page? no matter what i try it does not seem to work or has that been deprecated to the point of non-existance
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: What app?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: for like a sidebar?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: ya menace, it seems like non of the css styles work for it anymore i have not had to do it in a layout but this one calls for it
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've tried that with a div and never got it to work
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you don't know how big the users browser view will be so not technically but there are a lot of ways around it
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: there is a backgroud trick you can do to achieve a similare effect i seem to remember
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: yeah you place padding or margin and use a background is one way
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: or use a table
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: tables are for tabular data, not layout
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i disagree
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i really do
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: well wc3 disagrees with you
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: and they make the rules
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: facebook uses tables for its layout, so does myspace, and alot of other companies
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ha!  I'm sure they do.. that's why all the browsers work the same way
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: they use to i have not looked at source code in awhile
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i have no problem creating layouts with divs and proper css
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: so does Kings Inc.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: also go look at facebooks source
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you don't, menace, until you try to stretch something to 100% vertically, in which case you'll find it impossible :P
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: nm facebook moved to what looks like just JS to lazy to go through it all
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: repeat-y
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: js? more like css and html with some js
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: js is very different from html + css, although you can use js to affect the layout
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: when i opened source in FF all i saw was JS now that its in chrome i see more
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: http://matthewjamestaylor.com/blog/perfect-2-column-double-page.htm
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: just google 2 column layout and you'll find mulitple examples
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i don't see anything stretched 100% vertically there...
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: are you blind?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no. they're stretched 100% horizontally, not vertically.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you have to fake a background image to make a 2 divs both look 100% vertical
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace pats The Reaper Myrkul on his head.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you should post it on http://ux.stackexchange.com/, they can give you more in dpeth explinations
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: code should accompany this kind of thing which is hard on aard
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: or maybe stackoverflow
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: if you can detect how fast people connect disconnect everyone and dis allow speedy autoconnect once
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ahhh i thought you were talking about equal length myrkul is righ
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: t
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: other then using a background
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: then make a list of how many people autoconnected and couldn't and there names
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: make autoconnect illigal
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arshdof Tech: how do i make text bigger using the MUSHclient
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_main_output_font?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arshdof Tech: tyvm
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prolher Tech: does anyone know a good website to reference mushclient code?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what kind of code?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prolher Tech: just basic stuff like if then s
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you want a Lua reference, http://www.lua.org/pil/
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You mean lua?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prolher Tech: yeah i guess i do, thank oyu
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you want a MUSHclient API reference, http://mushclient.com/scripts/doc.php
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jerako Tech: I'm having issues with Nick Gammon's spellup plugin after upgrading Fiendish's client. Is anyone willing to help me?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: does -9e18 equal -9000000000000000000?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: print(-9e18 == -9000000000000000000) returns true
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Jerako: use Bast's spellup plugin instead
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: do is my source of information correct then that a long long int = -9000000000000000000?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: sorry about the typing
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I have a typing trojan
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: it bleeps up my typing
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: ok
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: So is my source of information correct then that a long long int = -9000000000000000000?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no, that's ridiculous
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So thinking of Homer's dialling wand right now :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: what does a long long int equal?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: computer type size boundaries are always powers of 2, not powers of 10
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I mean whats the maxamum a long long int can contain.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 64 bits
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: 64 bits as in a 64 bit binary number?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: if it's unsigned, i believe it gets bigger
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Different environments can have different sizes...64 bits is the most common however
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: does sizeof unsigned long long int return the size of the number you can use?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: it depends on the language / chip / etc
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (2^63)-1 is your maximum value for signed long long. 2^64 is maximum for unsigned.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "long" is hardware dependent, but I don't think that long long is.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: ISO 99 states 'minimum 64 bits' - can be bigger
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: sizeof sayse that the size of an unsigned long long int is 8
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sizeof is cute and reports in bytes
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: 8x8 is 64 i get it
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace claps at Majehsto's performance.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: most people dont make the connection
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So what are you doing that requires you to know maximum values?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: someone write me a personal not with a code snippet that will print the largest eight bit note possable.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: trying to figure out the largest number I can store into a variable
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Lol...plz send me teh codez...sounds like Mumbai coding to me :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: if i want to allow 2 words to fire in the same MUSH trig. ie.: "You're hungry/thirsty." What synt should I use?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: make the pattern a regular expression and use (hungry|thirsty)
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gorsk Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: anyone use cmud regexs?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: regex is regex
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: they don't work normally.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: and theres a couple of regex engines ;)
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cmud uses pcre v8.1
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what doesn't work normally about it?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: first im new to CMUD, when you create a line for a trigger and it has that text area. i can't put text in there.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: maybe its this wizard stuff thats messing me up
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, first of all, cmud doesn't use regex by default...
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i use regexs all the time in actual programming
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and yeah, i don't know if the wizard can use regex...
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i checked the little regex box
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just go to the script text tab, you put the pattern in the box at the top that says pattern beside it, and make sure you check regular expression in the options at the bottom
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: and then what you want to do in the text area?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's where the code goes :P
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the stuff you want your trigger to execute when it fires
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: yeah thats what i mean
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, i don't know what you're trying to do...
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i can help you write code, but i have no idea what you're writing, so... :P
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: yeah. thanks for the help.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: me?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: no Myrkul
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle thinks someone's had a case of the impolites all night...
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: ok as a sixty four bit number. can the number be the maximum 64 bits if it's negative? Or does the number have to leave room in the bytes because it is negative?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Usually the most significant bit is reserved for sign when it's a signed number.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: depends if your number is signed or not
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you need 1 bit for marking it as positive or negative
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, if it's negative, it has to be. so yeah, it's 1 bit for the sign, 63 for the number
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: So the highest positive signed number is (2*n)-1 for n bits.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: just google the value...
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: 2^n, not * :P
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's actually 2^(n-1)-1
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Yes, ^, sorry.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: I'm gonna go hide in a corner now. Gods, I should know this stuff.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: thankyou
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: lol tharnin
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I do believe I said earlier (2^63)-1 is the maximum signed value
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: -2^63 is the minimum signed value
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: 9223372036854775807
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: in lua, using string.match, do you ever need to quote characters in your pattern?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see the documentation for lua patterns
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you mean escape them?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: what exactly is 2^(n-1)-1?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.lua.org/pil/20.2.html
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i know in gsub you have to double dashes...
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and i'm looking at that, fiendish, and i don't see anything about escaping characters...but can't figure out why this won't match :/
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: majehsto it's 2^63 - 1
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: is that a lagit syntax for c programming?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's got an issue with matching - for the record .. if you ever hit it
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and i escape regex chars 
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i was thinking a ( actually :P i'm not using hyphens
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, lua doesn't use regex
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: - is a magic character in patterns and needs to be escaped 
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah but it escapes with -- not \-
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lua can use regex with pcre if you want, but it's not part of the language
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's the only thing that needs to be escaped?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: fiendish how come is 2^63-1 and not 2^64 -1?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lua patterns escape with %
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, i know, i'm just trying to keep it simple :P
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: everything esle escape with \ i think
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: start counting at zero.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Majehsto because you asked about a signed number which is only allowed to use half of number space
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 2^63 is half as big as 2^64
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah, that was it, just needed a % before my (
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the other half of the space being reserved for all the negative values
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: only strings escape with \
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: patterns escape with %
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, the % worked :P
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: probably something to do with it not having a close parenthesis
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and it was trying to interpret it as a capture i assume, which isn't what i wanted
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: except that patterns are actually strings, so you technically only escape magic pattern characters with %
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: so thats 2 with the square root of 63 minus one
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ooooooooooooooooh it doesn't do any type of highlighting... that was my problem myrkul i thought it would highlight the part that is a regex.
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and escape other things with \
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I believe http://www.lua.org/pil/20.2.html explains all of this
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ooh, this isn't the page i was on...
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, that's much better than http://lua-users.org/wiki/PatternsTutorial :P
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suggest always looking at pil first
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, everything's working now anyway, thanks for your help :)
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i looked at google first :P
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: where did you get square roots from?
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: i thought thats what ^ meant
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: power of
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: up to
T3/r4/2011-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: crap thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: 18446744073709551616.000000
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: 816 80085
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: 8675309
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: thats how much experience I can keep track of without using other methods
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: erm
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Try Bast's statdb plugin
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: -9223372036854775808
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: coolness
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You know, there's echo command, ftalk, and gtell to say that on channels where people really care...
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i thought xunti wasn't allowed to talk?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli pats Global Menace on his head.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Archene Tech: so clerly noone cares for tech
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: there's a difference between "not talking" and "having nothing worth saying"
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: man, tech is catty today
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: meow.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gorsk hisses at WinkleWinkle.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: puffs up his tail.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: pat ezli
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I care about tech. I love tech. My fav channel. Be nice to it, please?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: somebody once gave me shit for saying that a regiser is a variable, why is that?  it's on chip memory like your ram chip has memory but this is faster, and there happens to be a small amount of them relatively - but it's still memory
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: a pointer is a register or memory word who's value is an address, is it because the $register is a %register and not a $pointer who's address contains a address?  
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: memory is not variable
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: seems that register's might hold alot more variable data than ram
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Are you sure they weren't giving you semantic BS like "You might as wel lsay a bucket is water."?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you can't put crap in all the registers anyway
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: might as well yeah, i think they were just yanking my chain
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: theres lots of differences.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: every processor execution context switch and context switch saves and restores register's and other processor parameters, whereas data stored in ram remains there alot longer than the processor procssing it typically - making them appear like some real hardcore variables 
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a register isn't a variable. a register is a specific hardware location and a variable is not. this is not a distinction between RAM and cache. this is a distinction between hardware and something that exists only as a metaphor
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: C has a data type register int or long
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and you use those like variables as you'd use a register in a program
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: a memory address on a ram chip is also a specific hardware location, though virtual to physical lookup
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: what is looked up is just like that, put a name on it like the_pointer
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a variable is not a memory address
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: when c's calculating your program your the_pointer might often be placd in a register
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you can create variables, you can't create registers
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: c is a language. c doesn't calculate your anything.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: read up on symbol's and pointers the difference, variable's are memory addresses - i think the c array data type and pointer data type are good references to that - you can't store anything in an array unless you store it in one of its offsets, the name of an array is its address (isn't it?), similar to symbol's used in labels
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the name of a pointer use with & is its own address, otherwise it's a direct mode address of the location it points to, and * is a lookup (of that location)
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Druzil: you're spewing word salad
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's alright, i just can't see the difference between a pointer variable and a pointer register, and how register's hold any less variable data than the memory addresses they hold in looking it up
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's because you don't understand what a variable is
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: only a it's that way cause it's easy to think of like that 
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a variable is a purely logical construct that happens to lead to data stored at a storage space. it is neither the data nor the storage space.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tell me some more about what i don't understand, i'll try and see if any programming language architects have an explaination for your theory - cause as it is i haven't seen one yet
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: druzil an analogy to what your doing is if i were to say queues and linkedlists are the same because they're both data structures. just because you store stuff in something doesnt mean its the same thing.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: a register is a memory location on a microchip, a memory location is a storage location on a microchip connected through the system bus ont he motherboard off the main cpu chip
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you don't store data in variables
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: variables don't contain
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I wouldn't say there is much difference between variables and a giant hexadecimal pointer
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Druzil is so caught up on the nature of RAM and cache that he ignores the fact that he's using entirely the wrong word when he says "variable".
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: ...
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: this is a location of virtual memory my application uses to store variable information that may change from one random to the next
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a variable is not a location
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it may or may not be in a register at any given point in microsecon
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a variable is a logical construct that allows you to reference the data from a particular location at a moment in time
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: a register is a computer's variable
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you need to go and take a class on programming languages
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no it isn't, Majehsto
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: like your definition really addresses the answer and tries to shine light on it, a register is a storage location formed from whatever wiring the manufacturer placed on the chip and the voltage controllers shot into it's magnetic reader's for consideration by the inverted logic unite?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'd have to take a course on processor design first so i could understand the logical structure better
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: his answer made sense to me
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: just sayin'
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: I'm not like disagreeing with you that it's not a variable but if I said that a register is a one specific variable that makes up a hardrive. It's not to hard to understand that I have no un thoughtful intentions when I kid about a giant hexadeximal  variable.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: s
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: in the end of the day the people who wire the plans for the chips together know what's going on and don't need no funky abstractions to use it
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's actually completely untrue
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: chip circuitry is designed by abstract logic
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i doubt they'd be able to wire this thing together by hand
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so you mean, they only know a small portion of what the entire thing wille ventually be?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: letting computers finish the replication of the design?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i didn't see why that person brought that up though, a register is not a variable he says, but the information it represents to be pretending to hold changes probably more often than the ram that it operates on
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: variable information instead of static
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you use a variable in a c program that variable might very well be held in a register, your function take's 4 parameters and all 4 are passed in registers if they're memory or integral type
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the programming language says them there's variables
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your variable is not held anywhere. the data that your variable represents is held.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Look... do you live in a house?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: ok, and that information is representedly held on a microchip, which is a somewhere where the variable's name resolves to an address to represent the location of - and virtual memory can change from one iteration to the next, variable could have been referring to one physical memory location and now it's another, hey even a register
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah, yeah, stop gibbering
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Do you live in a house?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Apartment? Flat? Condo? Cardboard Box?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (this demonstration works better if you actually answer)
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yep, i live somewhere in virtual memory resolution, it could be a cardboard box tomorrow or yesterday, apartment tomorrow
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: Noun: An element, feature, or factor that is liable to vary or change.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: Adjective: Not consistent or having a fixed pattern; liable to change.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: look, never mind. continue in your ignorance. it sounds unlikely to hurt anyone but you.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: In computer programming, a variable is a symbolic name given to some known or unknown quantity or information, for the purpose of allowing the name to be used independently of the information it represents.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: thats just the definition of what the inventor's of computer defined variables inveted.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: invented
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they say linkers existed before assembler's and one of the toughest part about programming was having to hand calculate every address instead of letting an assembler resolve it when the program is put together
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 'A variable is a dedicated storage location used for a specific purpose, usually given a distinct name by the programmer.  -- register unlogic again?  a variable isn't stored anywhere.. but it's purpose may be..
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: We still going on about that? How about 'A register can comfortably be treated as a special variable in almost all cases, however this is technically incorrect' and just leave it at that?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: whatever you like, i don't see any incorrectness about it
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: blind people don't see trees or forests
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: would it be better if you wrote an assembler to allow you to give a nice name to registers like, NOTAVARIABEL_! = input(y)
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it would be better if you understood what you were talking about
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech if i write an assembler and linker will i better understand your reasoning?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Maybe if you rename to Lemon, though.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if mushclient crashes on me occassionally, and I can't reproduce it reliably, any idea what i can do to get more info the next time it crashes?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: on win 7
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: latest version?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe run it with something like systrace or look for a core dump file and send it to the maintainer
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: 4.75
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: then you can watch what it does that acuses it to crash
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you say 4.75 but it looks like you're not using all of the latest files
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: type "checkversion"
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: does windows keep those files?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'm not using the aard package
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vakieh gasps in astonishment.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean this is really just mushclient, then
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but you're using gmcp?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: where are you getting your gmcp handler?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'm using some of the plugins from the aard package
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but you're not keeping them up to date?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The update procedure is the one thing I dislike about aardmush :-(
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: me too
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I tend to copy world files, plugins, and db's completely to save trouble, but it can yield some rather subtle bugs when I do
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: any idea what might help narrow down the cause of the crash?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how often does it happen?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: maybe once a day, but i think always right after entering a command
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315263 has some memory dump files that happens when things crash, not sure if it's only windows or not though
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the last crash was giving 25k to ruklav, i think before that it was typing gq check or something
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Does it crash completely, or come up with the 'stopped working' dialog?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you got one of those when it crashed you could send it in for analyses or look it over yourself
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: stopped working
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sounds like maybe a plugin caught in a loop
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Any plugins that aren't mush/fiendish/bast?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: a bunch of poorly written ones by me :p
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: any plugins that are mine that aren't up to date are equally suspect
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: problem is i can't seem to replicate it reliably
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i can restart mush, do the exact same command and have it work fine
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: One I wrote was triggering on its own output, did the same thing
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: start disablng plugins and wait a few days, I guess
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: also, i never had these problems when running on win xp
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: when i was playing my unreal tournament game's on window's vista or xp after turning on data execution prevention on the bios and the window's, the program's would crash that never crashed before - maybe you have a similar problem if you didn't set it on your old windows
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there's any amount of stuff that can mess up a program though, if it worked fine back then
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's off by default on them other's
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: adds some hardware and software support for marking area's of memory as non-executable, so the processor won't try to run instructions from there, preventing some types of hacks
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Everybody else lose rdp with the Win7 SP1 update?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: my RDP works fine
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: OK, I am winner again in the Gates lottery. Thought my Y2K win was enough ...
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: what version of win 7>
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: are you talking about RDP to a machine or RDP to your machine/
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Fixed now, NP anymore. RDP to my machine.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ah okay
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: remote anything on a computer isn't very good, that always made me curious to see remote desktop and remote registry as different settings and both on by default
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: why aren't they very good?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: whenever i set up a windows machine i spend a bunch of time editing my services and removing everything i don't need running
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: why do you need to log into your computer from somewhere else and look at your desktop when the file's you could possibly want can all be stored on your laptop or other media?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: In concept, not very good, but the windows implementation of rdp is actually fantastic.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i think RDP works well
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it openes up a exploitable service that may or may not be known how to abuse
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: work from home?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: theres lots of reason
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: sometiems there is, like tech support
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: servers mainly
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or terminal servers, but i never seen a windows system like that
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Like my machine is up eight feet high with no kb or mouse. :p
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i use it to RDP to my server at home and at work
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: windos wasn't designed for remote acces, that's why i sucks on it
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ive had more issues with vnc then rdp
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Ranrr kb issues?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they say there's people in the world who have botnets consisting of tens and sometimes hundreds of millions of computers 
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I'm lying in bed typing... lazy grinding
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: how did they all get infected and trojaned?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: hehe
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hueitliltic Tech: through justin bieber youtube vids
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: thing's like those services that aren't required functionality and the remote service ports open by default
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: youtube video's are all content scanned before being hosted
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: heres a good explination of one way: http://blog.armorize.com/2011/07/willysycom-mass-injection-ongoing.html
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: actuallly you're mostly wrong druzil :)
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Don't click it ! haha
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: sometimes unsecure services are the culprit yes
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: theres lots of other ways though
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: heap and stack are randomized on this machine, including where a buffer overflow would flow into if there was one and then those regions of memory are marked as no execute, i'd have to figure out how they find their holes
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: pdfs + phishing have been a popular attack vector for end useres lately because of all the bugs
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: since return address has to be somewhere that was already referenced
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: what are you rambling about?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: anyone use IoC with .NET
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: http://pastebin.com/uEWii91w is what i mean
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: see how the heap and stack is randomized every single invocation, if you look at the headers for your various applications you'll notice they have different starting addresses and not very much is static as it was on 32 bit
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there every program's stack started at the top of memory and the heap right after the bss, which isn't the case here
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and their starting poitns were all the same
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's possible to make a linux distro with all dynamic executable's too, so nothing's the same from invocation to invocation
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: applications have to be specially compiled for that
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you want to know how a buffer overflow attack works?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: sure, what else is there besides overwriting the return address with an address to continue executing the code you wrote into the buffer that was written beyond?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: google it, theres lots of explinations
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: as they say, these data pages aren't marked with an executable flag which would make the processor generate a exception if it tried
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/2330/should-i-bother-teaching-buffer-overflows-any-more security.stackexchange.com has some decent info
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if i knew how to program X i would rewrite Xpdf to not be able to connect to anywhere, maybe i can do an iptables rule like that and for evince
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ...
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i reported that several time's to people and they think it's a no problem feature
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that and kchmviewer
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: most of the stuff your saying makes very little sense
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you make very little sense too, you only point me to links and have no understanding to share
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yes, google can't even answer me questions like does each core on a multi-core cpu have its own virtual memory lookup table and can they run in different processor modes
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm slow by your hyperthreading stadnards
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Anyone else have issues with Palace of Song room names and Bast's Events plugin? I'm getting colour bleed with xterm :-(
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: damn, the java client is really badly broken since the server move
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: anyone recommend a good UK place to get a decent workstation PC?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ebay?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: like hell
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: HP
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: hmm, worth a look i guess
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: dell were pathetic
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: yeah, dell is notl fun if your a non usasian.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: they wanted to insist I had Windows 7, which is a non-starter
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Dell outlet is great (for the US) for cheap crap
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Lol
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: They literally ask you is you plan to use your computer for manufacturing nuclear weapons
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: That's when I stopped buying from them.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: ok, HP are out
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: they don't do workstations
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: amazingly difficult to buy a pc that isn't a toy these days
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Just buy parts...
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's like going to buy a motorbike and finding they only sell mopeds
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: can't, it's for work, needs to be reputable manufacturer with a minimum 3yr onsite warranty
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: looks like hp do workstations, but at prices that are prohibitive
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: and not customisable
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: TBH, I haven't bought a workstation in years, I only buy laptops or servers. But HP used to be good for workstations.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: well, boss will have to put up with me being unproductive then
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: so, according to that questionaire, Dell does not computers sell to pakistan, iran, or the muslim middle east
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's because none of those mentioned countries have electricity
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, at least you have an excuse.... :)
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: can't believe companies are still pushing out stuff with 4gb of ram and claiming it's a business workstation
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: that's insane
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's like selling a car with a 1000cc engine and claiming it's good for towing
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeah, 2 year old laptops have 4G
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: For anything bar it work or graphical design, 4gb ram is adequate for business o.O
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you're not doing graphic or it work, you don't need a workstation
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: running microsoft word does not require a workstation
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShenDragon Tech: anyone using AL Client? I want to enable MCCP, but don't know how without downloading the proxy
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: How can I get plugin windows from offscreen? resetaard doesn't work
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: resetaard will only reset the windows for plugins that ship with the client, not plugins from bast or others...and will only do that for plugin windows on the VERY new versions on the client
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Try a reinstall?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: ah, so is there a way to get basts back onscreen?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: are you sure they're offscreen rather than just not visible (in a hidden state or behind another window)
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Bast's have a 'restore plugin defaults' option - which one have you lost?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: I lose all of them every time I transfer settings from desktop with big monitor to laptop. They are still running
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: in cmud is there a function version of #forall
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: No, what do you need it for?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i was going to update a statuswindow but i just changed it to a normal window and made a function to update it
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Heh... what were you trying to do though?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: how the hell do you format html text?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: you learn html.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Betrayal Tech: <B></B>...eheheh
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's quite easy to be honest.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: no I mean format it
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: type <html> and </html>.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yes, you learn html to learn how to format it.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: Like when you format a a book after writing it.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I reiterate... learn... html...
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If you're looking for <pre>, then look that up. :)
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Learn html and css, but PLEASE just take a computer course
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Majehsto Tech: "www.soulpyre.org" way cool.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: It conveys what it needs to convey.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That message conveyed a message beyond conventional comprehension.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Sneak gives a thumbs-up to Ebullient Etzli.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Also, Majehsto, you'll need to _learn_ how to format HTML to even do a simple page like that, so.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Veladros Tech: anyone using BBSSH (Black berry mud client) i need help making a connection to aardwolf
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: anyone know a good MCCP library for .NET?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: So I picked up my desktop and moved it to a new location.  When I try to boot up, get continuous beeping from motherboard and can't seem to find drive. Putting in old drive works fine. This new one is only about 3 months old, could it have crapped out already? :(
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: picking up and moving may have loosened connectors
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: exactly how rough were you handling it?...
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: yeah I tried that, also tried connectors in old drive which worked fine, then didn't work when putting back in the new drive
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Pay close attention to the beeps. Count the short beeps and long beeps. You can troubleshoot the exact error from those.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: not rough, just picked up and carried it. The beeps are all the same length and time apart
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: youd need to know your mobo to be able to decode the beeps
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: alright ill see if i can find on the manufacturer page
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Glymer Tech: reseat ur ram
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: The book that came with the mobo, or an online manual can tell you what they mean.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: could it be ram if a diff HD is working fine though? seems odd
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: if you have another computer id try hooking the drive up to the other one
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: if it boots fine wiht the other HD its not likely.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: well i'll see if i can find something from the beeps, thanks guys
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Glad to help
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: if its a semi new hd it should be under warranty
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Glymer Tech: I just go for easy first task takes 2 secs then go from there
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: is it hard to team nics with ubuntu
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you say "team nics"?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what does that mean?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: wheere multiple network cards work together on the same network
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmmm
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: in a single pc
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: I think he means bonding.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not sure. I've never tried that. I'm usually either on wifi or on wire, but never both
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: the box is wired
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you want two wired links to the same network? what would be the point of that?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: If it's a gige uplink and he has two 100m ports, he can work at 200m, can't he?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not likely
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: cant you set one to send the other to recieve
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'm not sure I see the point of doing that
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: I'm asking honestly. This is a little over my head/out of my realm. Why is it unlikely?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I haven't heard of any network hardware being half duplex in a very long time
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: doesn't ISDN do that?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Not an Imm Erikson blinks innocently.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: What does half duplex have to do with channel bonding?
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Anyway, both ends would have to support it.  I'm not sure any switch you're likely to have at home does.
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: half duplex has to do with wanting one ware to be an uplink and one wire to be a downlink
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wire
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: as opposed to having both wires be both up and down
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: anyone up for troubleshooting a problem with cmud not starting?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: win xp pro, fresh install of cmud
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody understand how perl keeps track of string lengths?  it's source code's a little beyond me now probably, i'm curious if it marks down how many characters are read into a buffer from the system calls etc and internal string manipulation counts as they occur, and keeps that record separate from the strings themselves
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause you can put in print "Hello wo\0\0rld!\n"; and you get a thing like you'd get with giving the string to write with the length
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they don't use the nul character like c does to find that
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm guessing it's something like that, <some structure>actual data<possible other structure>
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: afaik, strings in perl are objects, similarly to java, so they aren't null terminated like c array strings are (don't quote me on that, I hate perl and avoid it wherever possible)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, it is alot different than i'm used to, it's how it does things though.. it does allow you to include anything you want in a string
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If you have a choice of languages, I'd go with lua or python, maybe ruby - if not, there are some decent perl boards out there, but if they tell you to use $_ kick them square in the balls
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i haven't used perl since college, forgot how to use it :)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i want to get familiar with it for alot of reasons, like understanding other information that uses perl to express it's study material's in
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's mainly the reason now, though it's probably handy for alot of things
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: alot (there's lots of information transmitted through perl)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's tough sometime's getting going on learning about computer system's, cause the authors will use things like awk or an excessive amount of arcane usages of tools you don't see often to express their idea's, it's not quite as easy as just learning C and some basics then going on from there, lots of information is needed to process lots of the relevant information that lets you do things with computers
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: well, it is that easy, but there seems to be a damn near topless ladder 
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i completely agree
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: good to have some information to reference though, the internet's handy for hobbies
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: its jsut as useful imo as any other scripting language
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: somebody once showed me this line of perl code that looks like it did absolutely nothing special, and it results in the command rm -rF ~/ or something like that
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or a chat room
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it didn't resemble those characters at all
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the $_ means current input line or something iirc, there's alot of those little cryptic devices in there
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: $_ is context dependent. Its meaning depends on a small handful of things. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: @_@
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Not defending it. I like perl, but $_ still makes me nervous. I see its value, but keeping track of "what does it mean here" is... I'm okay with making explicit temps.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: $_ is the default variable.  Perl functions use it whenever you don't specify a target variable for i/o
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah it is something else to get used to
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there you go :)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There is never a good reason to use $_   According to the creator of perl, it is there for quick hacks, and he wishes he never implemented it
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: something else to get used to is right, i read through this book a little bit and they have mention of a fake WU-FTPD Exploit .. where the author had remapped the puts function to the system call instead, and had lines puts("echo ~ ok, it seems to have worked... remember: \"); puts("rm -rf is not elite ~");
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it is important to keep track of what's happening in program's
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so the person trying to run his code and see if wu-ftpd crashed or not would end up removing this home directory
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Restricting os access is the golden rule of testing anything you didn't write...
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: SELinux is something i have yet to explore and learning more of PAM 
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but i think that's where the majority of that happens on these machine's, possibly grsecurity is good too
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and chroot jails and things like that
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: iptable's up till around kernel 2.6.13 had the ability via a owner module to block a specific application string from accessing the internet, but that along with pid blocking of processes from the internet was removed in later kernels
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i guess they have their reasons, i tried looking for a way to individually block system calls from certain applications, such as connect or bind
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and i hear the only way that's possible with existing things is through the use of SELinux or similar
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there's a BSD program called systrace which seems to do similar
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: possibly could even make some money making a user friendly front end for profiling program's like that
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe you'd have to make an illusion connection on the kernel's behalf for applications which crash if that connect fails
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: security based on names or pids of programs nver works, too easy to bypass
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i considered that a little, they could just make a symbolic link and that would be their command line or the like, i'm not sure if symlinks show up or not in the argv[0] though
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: been awhile and i'd have to check
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i guess you'd have to make a profile for user directories and remove execute access from /tmp
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: let them have their non-connecting binaries that they want
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe only binaries from a certain directory set or libraries running on their behalf could make internet connections if they're not profiled against that
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: still easy to work around
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: if you want to restrict a specific application, run it in a VM and restrict the entire VM
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm sure there's way's, but there must be some way that it could work the way it's intended to
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: vm's going into some kind of quantum computing :p, i'm sure that's one way it could be ultimately done but i'd rather have more control over the host operating system and its apps first
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i guess you'd maybe have to monitor the usage of the dynamic linker for one, like they used to use it to execute /tmp files when /tmp was noexec
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if that's one way it could be bypassed or not in your reasoning
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there's no way to create hard links to files on other partitions that i know of, directories also shouldn't be hard links but can be bypassed - symbolic links you can make from anywhere, and the dynamic linker can't disturb anything which it probably doesn't
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: what other ways are there to modify it?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe the kernel blocks the program by name and then inserts its pid and that of all its children
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: since you have to ? start a program by name
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and that program can only come from that directory, which nobody else can make a differently named hard link to if they have no permissions
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and users directories are restricted from using internet connecting system calls from their user executable's
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: still, it's more secure to use authentication, and that's easier to implement
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but what to do once you've been breached?  i don't imagine most people know every details of every application (or their authors) that they use.. so they could be doing all kinds of strange things, or parsing strange content in unexpected ways
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: on unix-like machine's that gives the content possibly the ability to become that user
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: there are security software that keeps md5sums of all files, so it's easy to track what has changed
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: but typically, if you have been attacked, you flush the system and restart from scratch
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm thinking how to prevent changes, even those databases can be corrupted
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: before they occur, that's why i think of that old iptables functionality and selinux (which is difficult)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: every security measure can be circumvented, if it's incorrectly implemented
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the kind of functionality / tweakability i want is similar to how i said it, with some idea's thrown in to prevenat against sidetracking the purpose
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i know what you're saying
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: restricting network access is always done with authentication, because that's the only thing that is reliable enough
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't want to have to restart from scratch though, a stealthy thief you may not ever see tehre even, you'd be flushing every time you did anything
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Then you don't see what he's saying. If the guy good enough to cover his tracks in Ranrr's system attacks YOU, he can cover his tracks there, too.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: authentication would be like a fallback or priori to my idea though
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe both
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: If the box is hit, you consider the whole thing compromised and start over, or you take the risk of some infection/leftbehind you didn't catch.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and my idea's maybe already implemented through SELinux with a bunch of effort, partly with iptable's which functionality is now gone
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: once an attacker has access to a box, that box should be considered infected and must be flushed
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: unless you have an offline db with checksums and can verify that nothing has been compromised
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think it's possible to lock down most thing's that could be compromised from compromising a system or user account who used it with the proper tweaks
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: then you can rest more assured your md5 sums and stuff aren't also compromised
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you would be wrong thinking that, though :) All systems can easily be broken if you have access to them.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and authentication isn't your only line of defense
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you have access to them
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's mostly true, there are possibly some cryptographic techniques out there which would render a drive useless without a solution for
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but that's not really what a end user would require unless they're doing something very wrong
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or are just curious/paranoid
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: you should read the US military books on computer systems security, I think it is called the orange book, but I may be wrong
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i read a book once i got from ebay on a cd which ahd some rainbow books on it, maybe that's one of them
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: not really read it but looked at some of what it's about - they were talking about overwriting a area of a hard disk and then again and again and being able to go back to see what each overwrite contained
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, military grade secure OSs is all about building layers upen layers where each layer controls access for the next one. Makes the OS harder to use, of course, but layers is the only way to make something secure.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: really
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: A VM could be considered a layer, that's why controlling acces for it works. A firewall is a layer, etc.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i was thinking of how to build one of those the other day, abelinc was saying os's might use the 1 and 2 modes of intel cpu's
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: modern nixlike system's apparently only use mode 0 and 3
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i mean vm's*
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: not build but how those other two mode's could be used with some hardware to make things more secure and efficient
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: into existing software, i discussed it with some people who didn't seem to think it's such a bad idea once my reasoning was clear - i'd have to do alot of research before i could try it out though
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i imagine the military grade computer's have alot more mode's than 4 though, or their layered operating systems
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: so i have an alias in cmud and it has ()s in it to reference aard eq by serial number, but when it send it to the mud the ()s disppear. how do i escape the ()s?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Use object ids? :)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: multi-core cpu's with their own lookup table's and a kernel mode core was one idea i had, the kernel core using interprocessor communication to accept the system calls (other cores or another core could implement modes 1 and 2, which would pass on the request from the layer 4 processes downwards or denial towards the kernel)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: somebody hinted that each core does possibly have its own lookup table and things like that, i imagine some system's out there now might do something like i'm thinking of but i never seen it
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lookup tables, address x (virtual) is actually address y <physical> updated by the kernel's pager
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so multiple processes running on multiple core's and a core waiting around for the hardware to update their table's and switch their processes
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: is your main objective in life to spam tech?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: he's talking about multilayered operating system's and that's what i'm talking about
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: how do you implement it?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: my idea make's things like blocking system calls alot easier and faster since the core isn't going into kernel mode to service its own request, if the hardware's present
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but it's possibly already done like that
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody know why this program would hang?  http://pastebin.com/QxWpVUdS
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: besides bein gugly
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: because it's written in assembler
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ranrr smiles happily.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the heap starts at a variable random address within a certain range, or the heap unmapped until first allocation
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but here i try to map in one byte below the starting brk, and it hangs instead of terminating like happens when i do more than 1 byte on another attempt
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: at least i think that's what's happening
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i prevented a segfault at least, a new type of exception handling
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: why are you writing in assembler?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause they didn't tell me how to access the _start symbol and stuff from within a c program when i asked them nicely
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: So?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: also, the brk wrapper function for C behaves different from the actualy system call
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Then don't use the wrapper functions....
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: BTW, who are "them" ?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i figured it out
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the manual page seems to indicate it can map backwards to reduce the break as well as forward, i guess the kernel must keep track of where it began at per process and consider that backwards undoable
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Hrm.  I haven't been checking, but how much RAM does mushclient usually use?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: bc right now mine's sitting on 400k...
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: scratch that, 400m :-P
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Mine's been open for 90 minutes or so, and it's at about 14,500K Mem usauge and 37,000K VM size
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: peak memory usage is 43,000K
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: 5 days online, prob more like a fortnight open, perhaps I should restart it :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: That's with 4 different worlds open
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: 400m sounds like there is a memory leak
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yeah, restarted and now 47m - definitely a leak in there somewhere
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Thought it could have been mapper db and statdb, but they're both loaded in the 47
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Wow...even captchas have advertisements now.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Let me guess, re-captcha ?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: SOLVEmedia
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: they SOLVEd the problem of captchas not making money
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone have any idea how to get CnC4 to work past the EA's stupid "always online" thing? I can't even get past the starting cinematic before getting a internet connection error
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: had to click on it, watch a 10 second video, and then enter "Get DISH with Google TV" as the answer to the captcha
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the solution (unfortunately) is to boycott games that do that
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: winkle, I bought it before I realised it had that shit on it. Bloody EA.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ubisoft are just as bad
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Ubisoft has gotten better
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: they are bringing it back for their latest game
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: They released patches for at least 2 of their games that changed it to just requiring connection on startup
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Capcom requires it for games that don't even have an online component whatsoever
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Averan Tech: screw always online anti-piracy, I refuse to buy any game that has it
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: next driver will have the you-have-to-be-online-or-the-game-quits drm
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: (ubisoft)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Nods, that what Assassin Creed Brotherhood (I think that was the one) started out as before they released a patch a couple of months later
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: I haven't kept up with it lately, so perhaps they're not getting better
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: they got better for a while, but now they're going back to the draconian measures
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/29/ubisoft_insists_drm_measures_are_successful/
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: I, for instance, have satellite internet, and if a cloud passes over the sky, I lose my connection.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Why do I have the feeling that the MUD has stopped sending GMCP data about my location?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Either that or the mapper plugin is broken. Lemme try a restart...
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: looking for ideas, have tried to install cmud on another computer, but when I try to run I only hear an error 'ding' then nothing opens. Win XP pro, newish system...
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: use aard mush :P
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nefaro Tech: are there curing systems made for this game?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: that's not helpful, I want to use cmud
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if you were using aard mush i could help you :)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've not seen one yet Nefaro
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you mean like a cure disease plugin right?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nefaro Tech: something like that yeah
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: or an auto-healing plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}DeusMorituro Tech: Hi I downloaded the MidpSSH client for my Blackberry, and would like some info on how to connect to Aardwolf via the client. (I'm using MXit at the moment)
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}DeusMorituro Tech: Anyone there?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tlaloc groans.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}DeusMorituro Tech: lol No advice on my previous question? Hope I'm not a bother :P
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Your name is a bother. :(
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli runs away in utter terror!
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I have an iphone, sorry
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It should be easy to set up, honestly.  Just make sure you put the host and port correctly.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caede Tech: does anyone here use Mudlet? My status area is not showing anything
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: any aard clients for the mac?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: ok, thanks for the help.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nebmaatre Tech: you can run mushclient through wine.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: gotcha, thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: in this book i have teaching me about memory manager's here, the author adds 1 to the address returned by brk(0) to call it heap_begin and current_break at the initialization.. i notice that that value itself is random in my program's and the address is inaccessible until i extend brk by a little bit
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: is it on 32 bit that the brk was always valid at program startup, right at the last address of bss?
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause it sure doesn't make much sense on 64 bit, wasting an entire byte like that
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's not meant to be complete or anything, so i guess i could be right - i'll run some tests and see.
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so i get a different address for each program invocation for brk(0), and the same address for information in the .bss section - the address returned is inaccessible at program start, so brk isn't returning the last valiad address - unlike this 32 bit tutorial where they seem to expect it to directly follow .bss and the address returned to be valid at the start
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's a little confusing, but not impossible
T3/r4/2011-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech after i call brk with an address, brk(0) returns the new address, and the byte returned is useable - only after brk.. so it is invalid at program start until space is reserved
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: might be alot of mind game's to add in the wilderness preservation, binning and other things like that
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 64 bit requires a 32 bit offset for some type's of data/alignment, would that be my minimum allocated size?  16 could be a toggle
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: wait, 8 16 byte
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: something like that
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: C standard
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undertaken Anaristos Tech: on the other hand, 64-bit alignment always work...
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caede Tech: does anyone use Mudlet?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: is there a kind soul here do kind to help me quickly setting up my client please ?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: any tech advisors here ?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: any 1 here that can help me ?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: What do you need.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: cool ty sneak, i need to setup up my midpssh client on my blackberry,but need the details to put in my session settings
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: What details?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: alias and host name i need to connect to aardwolf
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: ? Its the same as how you connect here now?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: i currently connect through mxit a social messenger so i dont see the connecting details
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: can you plz give me the host name :)
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: aardmud.org
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: help address
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: anyone here dat knows how to set up midpssh
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: doesn't it come with a manual?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: yeah but i need the correct host
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slow Poke Krypteria Tech: what is the correct host?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: thats what i need it has 4 fields Alias, Host, username, password
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slow Poke Krypteria Tech: me too, just downloaded it
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: so we are al stuck
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slow Poke Krypteria Tech: yeah, boo hoo:(
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: host is aardmud.org, alias is whatever, username and password should you know
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: its says when im using aardwolf.Org in midpssh the following, invalid url parameter. whats up with that ?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: aardmud.org
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: incorrect device
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: soory i ment aardmud.Org
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mackey Tech: does http proxy has anything to do with it ?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: anyone tell me if theres a client for nokia 2690?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: probably. any telnet client will do
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Electrobite perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Slow Poke Krypteria Tech: i just tried that midpssh and it connects with aardmud.net...then im stuck
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: how do i make my fonts bigger in midpssh client?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Game->Configure->Output
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Wait, I read mushclient - idk
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: meh
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: http://www.xk72.com/midpssh/
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: read there.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: ok thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: so how is the android mud client working for aard? is it going well?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't see why not
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just had a minor problem using the mapper...running to an area via the aard amulet ran me straight into a big nasty aggro mob, anything I can do to avoid that? Might it be a good plan to put an artificial level limit in when I configure the amulet, to stop it using it until a specific level?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can specify levels on portals, but that's not the best solution for this problem
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see mapper help
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Well, it would work around it temporarily I guess, stop me running into trouble at lower levels at least...what is this better solution?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: can the mob be run around?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ie a safer route?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: It ran me through christmas vacation to get to storm mountain
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hrm.. it doesn't do that for me.. i wonder what route i'm using? I was goign to say if you need it to take a slightly different route you can make a cexit that slightly avoids the mob.. just make it one room close to your destination and mapper will see your cexit as a mroe efficient route.. but that won't help for this..
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the better solution is something I haven't implemented
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: It used the aard amulet, then ran n8es9esn2ue, I died part way through that.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but in the meantime, you can already specify levels on portals
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and you can try what winklewinkle has suggested
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I see...probably safest to just remove the aard amulet portal entry or put a level limit on it for now. Thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what room number were you running to?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Room 6313, Near the Fox's Den
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: or you could use the crusader area exit
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that's why i'm not goign by that route!
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: well done califan... lytebane.. walk all the open clan exits
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you rmapper doesn't know about it
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: most likely
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: sw2nun from recall
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ah, didn't realise I could do that, never used them. I noticed it used bards ones sometimes, but not seen it use others. Thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it uses what it knows
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: fiendish is it enough to to go the exit room and it then knows where the exits go... or does he need to walk them?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Must have been to bards ones once in the past without realising it then. I'll have to have a wander around some clan areas, make my speedwalking quicker
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I dunno :)
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'll have a play with it later...gotta go offline, I was supposed to be out the house 15 minutes ago :) Late as usual. Thanks again for the help.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: im kinda new to these clients
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: how does marco work?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: they are meant to be like hotkeys
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i don't know anyone who uses them
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: we talking mush here?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: midpssh
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: then ignore everything i just said
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: is there mccp for midpssh?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Google is your friend.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=midsshp+mccp
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or whatever it is. :P
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=midpssh+mccp
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: was at lmgtfy.com/?q=midpssh+mccp and could not find out
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: anyone know if there is a option that if i type a piece of command in prompt and type up, it will complete with the first command that matches it in command history?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: in mushclient
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: liek zmud does
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I thought pushing 'up' would accomplish that.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But apparently not anymore.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: pushin up returns the last command entered, but not the one starting with the pattern i entered
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: for example... i made the following commands in order: backstab X, cast immolate, cast heal, cast immolate... then i want to return to backstab typing backs or back or even ba and type up... got it?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}#/bin/bash Isildur Tech: ok, think i got the option :)
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: what is the other client for blackberry except midpssh?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: There isn't one.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: At least, not to my knowledge.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But again... http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=blackberry+mud+clients
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Electrobite: Blowtorch is not blackberry.  It's Android.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: theres another one..but can remember
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Like I said, google it.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: cant*
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Here's more assistance: http://alternativeto.net/software/midpssh/?platform=blackberry
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: is there a way in firefox of refreshing all tabs at once?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: close and reopen it, with the option saved closed tabs
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: enabled
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: thats what i was gonna say
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that only works if you allow it to save information or not
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Undeniably Ladanday Tech: Right click on a tab, click "reload all tabs"?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: oh wow
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: There may be a plugin for it.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: right click works better
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: never tried that. thanks so much.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ah, you learn something new every day...
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: so is anyone using the droid client?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Kathan Tech: I'm using Zmud 7.21 and I'm trying to figure out a way to use a trigger to capture 1 or more words into a string variable. Right now my trigger just grabs the whole phrase and I'm drawing a blank on how to split it into words.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Kathan Tech: any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! :)
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can't modify your pattern so it only captures the bit you want? would need more details to help, really...
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Kathan Tech: Is there anyway to use a variable within a variable name? So I have @varname(@varnamecount) and edit variables @varname1 @varname2 etc... ?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: You don't want to do that.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Kathan Tech: bah I can do a work around but I was hoping. :(
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: @{@variable}
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: to use the contents of @variable as a variable reference, if that's what you're asking
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Don't do that...
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Kathan Tech: why not?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: It's bad in so many ways.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Use a hash or something
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Kathan Tech: I'm pretty basic when it comes to scripting in Zmud. I have no idea what you mean by use a hash.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Not sure what you're asking about, Kathan.  If you're trying to reference the variable's variable, then do it like Myrkul said.  Alternatively, you could set up a database variable, then do %db(@databasevar, @variable), which would probably be better.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Kathan Tech: I think I have the syntax figured out now ty for the help.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: (Example being: databasevar = {heal=jade|mana=tea|refresh=rejuve}... then you can do something like quaff %db(@databasevar, @potion), set potion to heal, mana, or refresh, and you'll quaff jade, tea, or rejuve respectively.)
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: is there a way to capture multiple lines with a trigger in CMUD?qr
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ignore the qr part lol
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: oh, i was gonna say, Yes for CMUD?qr but No for CMUD
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: yes menace use #C+ to start capture and #C- to end capture
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: my trigger doesn't seem to match the multiple lines
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Interesting. My AardMush Group window has stopped refreshing data. Everything else is cool.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: are you in a group?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there was a hotboot recently, so if you were in a group an hour ago, that is dissolved
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: No.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Ah, good. disband said no group, group create restored function, Thanks.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: anyone know of a repo i can use with centos for installing libreoffice
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: what do i do to use perl as a calculator to take hexadecimal input and spit out decimal output?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: this gnome calculator can't understand hexadecimal input with hexadecimal display mode
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: print 0xdeadbeef - 0x123 gives me nothing
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: semicolon!
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i have this problem where i have to figure out offsets on addresses written in hexadecimal to figure out how to fix something, what all is broken
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's maddening, like how do you mentally calculate 0x1cf8052 - 0x1cf8009 to see if there is 64+9 byte's?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: calculator should take those as input and translate them to its understanding and then spit out decimal when i want
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: it can
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: and the calculator doesn't?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: just switch it to hex mode
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i have gcalctool in advanced mode with hexadecimal display setting
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i type in 0x and it doesn't know the variable x, if i type in what's after the x it doesn't understand the variable b
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: working in hexadecimal isn't that difficult, it's still a polyadic system, it could get so much worse
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or c or f
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace nods at Randor.
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: just do 52-09 in hexadecimal, if your calculator has hexadecimal
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i know it's not too hard, but learning hexadecimal is next chapter
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: 0x is a prefix to make typical compilers understand it, and used in literature, calculators don't get that
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: here i'm just trying to join together two free'd pieces of memory and inserting the header into them, the memory manager is only allocating a header by default and calling it twice i want to see what happens, cause the amount after is alot more
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if the calculator would just do what it should do then i wouldn't have to think about it
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: why bother learning the principles when the damn calculator should just know, who does he think he is
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but calculators should understand f shouldn't they?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: principles are next chapter
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: display format: hexadecimal, i turned the b into a B to see if it was just like that
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe they have some arcane hexadecimal input format that isn't used anywhere else
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: gcalctool in programming mode, hexadecimal display, i type f-c, <enter>, i get 3
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: perhaps you're doing it wrong?
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so i see the input screen at the top there and recall my ti-84 calculator where i'd type in a little formula and it would spiot out the answer
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so i double double check that i triple checked that it is in hexadecimal input mode
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and i type in the sacred formula, 238102B-2381012 and it doesn't understand what a B is
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: 25
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: or 19, in hex
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: works for me (with gcalctool)
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: ctrl+h results in a malformed base 16 expression
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 25 huh, that's right then, 16+9 is what it should be
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'll make a programming task to make a decent calculator
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and i'll write it in raw x 
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: i'd start with learning how to do this yourself, these are elementary operations
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'd have to be able to to make the calculator
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and i'll make a vim plugin for it
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yw .. :plug thar hex-dec
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: y2w :plug mul da y
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Can a Kindle read any PDF file with its e-ink technology? I.E. a non-drm protected pdf ....
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: display rather
T3/r4/2011-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: it should be able to
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i got it working.. i wasn't saving a piece of information which messed it up
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's exact to the byte-sauce
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: http://pastebin.com/pYmEZhkG it has a 9 byte header and fill's the 8 byte requests up exactly
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Imp Druzil reinvents the malloc
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: feck that, maybe some other day
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that'd be maybe 400 more lines
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: writing your own malloc is a good exercise
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: definitely requires alot of planning and patience
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: this guy used bin's for his malloc, which sorted the chunks, up to 512 bytes or so separated by 8, then by some algorithm i'm guessing
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech lots of things
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i could see how it could be configured for different settings
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: give out the last chunk only if no other's can fit the request, 'wilderness preservation' to prevent system calls, which i didn't understand well
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if the tailing end of the heap reaches above 1 M reduce it
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: split chunks in one go and delay joining them together, options
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it takes alot of time to build
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i didn't understand why preserving the last chunk prevents anything except by i guess the leftover's being used in a smaller bin, since it's not preserved.. ah there is the answer
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: sort of, i'd have to break it down
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and to hack those you need alot of tools and teaching
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: In mushclient, aside from the obvious benefit of calling the scripts from multiple plugins, is there any reason to seperate scripts out of a plugin?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody have any idea where beyond google to look for information about writing gas assembly language shared libaries without the assistance of gcc?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i found 2-3 half-assed articles that used it's output but still relied on gas to generate it, and not the rationale needed to do without gcc
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: gcc to generate it*
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i find the GOT, with some syntax and the information of what i'm finding and how to list it in the place i'm finding it from
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that syntax and information is all hidden
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: n/m i think i see what's happening here
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: man... and i thought that was harder than it is
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: OTPCREL + bject + LT and i'm set
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: Hi tech.  How do I truncate a decimal to, say, 2 decimal places in Zmud?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: I'm familiar with %norm, but that does 6 places.  That's too many.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: %format("&0.2n", "string")
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}System of Accora Tech: thanks ^_^
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Hi my laptop breaks down from time to time (when I start up nothing happens, just black screen) last time it fixed itself somehow when the motherboard battery ran out, is there a way to reset bios without opening up the whole laptop? I don't have the screwdriver for it
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Last time took a year for it to run out, I don't have that kind of time :P
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: buy a screwdriver?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Bleh
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShenDragon Tech: anyone around using zmud that can answer a trigger question?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ask, though I'm using CMud.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShenDragon Tech: Close enough lol... I'm trying to set up an auto recast trigger, but I can't get it to quote the variable. "You lost your concentration while trying to cast word of recall" triggers "cast word of recall" instead of "cast 'word of recall'"
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't trigger on that...trigger on {sfail} spelltag
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that gives the spellnumber, so you don't need to use quotes
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: one trigger for all occasions/spells
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShenDragon Tech: ahh, I see, thanks
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vannel Tech: if you want to use the quotes, then it depends what you set as your escape character in ur zmud settings.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you can try to use %quote(), but I seem to recall that ZMud didn't do so well with quotes.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: as in ~" would end up evaluating to " and the same issue would occur.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShenDragon Tech: yeah, I had tried ' and it evaluates the quote out of the output
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can likely use ~' for those cases
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShenDragon Tech: ...it just evaluated the tilde out of that lol
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but spelltags exist expressly to make scripting this stuff painless
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: beyond that, just store the actual name of the spell in the variable and use "cast '" or %format()
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Anyone used AgileZen?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i did in my old job
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Comments on it?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it was pretty nice
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: they WERE using Jira with that plugin.. but they were much happier with it
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i liked agile zen because it was simple.. adn we could see everythign everyone was doing.. i get lost in jira 
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and it was pretty cheap per person
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oladon Tech: Downsides?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: didn't find any?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'd use it again it i was choosing the tools... 
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: you're able to address a static variable through %rip without using the GOT, i wasn't able to find a clear information on whether you can do that with a static function (or one you only call from your source file) too
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: for the position independent code, does anybody know if you can?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i couldn't quite figure out how to tell gcc to generate a static function code/call
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe there isn't one, but using static variable's works to find the other type
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe function(%rip) would work
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and i can't see why buffer's are declared in teh data section instead of the bss, using .comm is accessible through the GOT, using .local symbol then .comm is accessible directly through %rip
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody know about why?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: .lcomm seems to be local common, .comm is just common with a separate .local directive
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think i got it, .comm can specify an alignment .local can make the symbol unvisible externally, .lcomm can't specify an alignment on most targets
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they don't mention .comm being used in the .bss explicitly, but .lcomm they do