T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody know of some good info on garbage collection?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i see faq's and page not found's and buy my book's but not a nice paper on it
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: university took down their webpage
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: do not use xor'd pointers, pointers stored in files or .. xord with random number function returns
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: found one! perfect
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: compaq website was maybe taken down
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol, it seems Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine used a modified microcode on the Nintendo 64 Reality Coprocessor in its design... interesting game theme and stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: They should make a new Indy movie :p
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: .. Microdata's Reality operating system
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the B700 and B1700 looks interesting from Burroughs
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the operating system loaded a different interpreter for different programming language's, and the microprocessor executed application level opcodes
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i wonder if that could make things more secure or not, the operating system speaks a different set of opcodes than the programs
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: bit addressable memory too, maybe the operating system could speak in 7 and 28 bit bytes as well
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irnal Tech: is there a way to reset bprompt to default setting?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: the battle prompt?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irnal Tech: yes..i cant get my current mana to appear..only my max mana
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: have you tried bprompt all?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: %m perhaps
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: %M (capital) is max
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irnal Tech: there we go..thank you :)
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irnal Tech: sorry to be a newb
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: help prompt gives all the details, but try prmpt all or bprompt all
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: sok
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vannel Tech: what's a good software to shrink videos to mobile friendly sizes?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Windows: i use freemake video converter .. it's very good.. and free
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nebmaatre Tech: i'm having a bit of trouble with the lastest aardwolf mushclient...in the communication log, i've selected "echo none", but INFO and gquest are still showing up in both the main window and in the comm log. Any suggestions?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sorry, I haven't added those to the new echo system yet
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: please be patient
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nebmaatre Tech: oh. sorry.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just recently changed how main output echoing works
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: technically info and gquest are not channels
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so I haven't added them yet
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nebmaatre Tech: okay.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the next update should have them added
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I appologize for the inconvenience
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Nebmaatre nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arhianna Tech: hi everyone.I'm playing on my droid and am wondering if anyone knows how to toggle my shortcut keys on and off? it's difficult forme to se what's going on because they are all over the screen. I know how to move them,  but I'd really like it if they were gone til I want them. can anyone help?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: You're using blowtorch?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arhianna Tech: I'm not sure... what's that?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think you can hold down on the shortcuts to get a menu to remove them
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WolfLord Tech: how do i make my weapon lighter
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: help setweight
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why did you ask that on tech, WolfLord?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arhianna Tech: yes I can, but then they are deleted. I want to still be able to use then, just don't want to look at then all the time.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish looks at Arhianna ponderingly.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WolfLord Tech: becoz the ppl on the newbie channel said i must ask here
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arhianna Tech: well that makes two of us, then... lol.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: wolflord i was telling arhianna to ask here.. i told you to only change weight on aard weapons
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: you create two button sets...  one with a button that says "clean" and loads the "clean" set that has a single button "main"   the "main" button loads your main button set
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arhianna Tech: guess I'll just try and arrange them so they don't bug me.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arhianna nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arhianna sighs.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sounds like Doku had an answer
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arhianna Tech: doku... can you explain how to do that?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WolfLord Tech: lmao o my bad.... But why only ard weapons
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Because those are the only ones worth spending TPs on...
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: because it's a complete waste of 2 trivia points otherwise
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WolfLord Tech: o okay jap thats a gud reason thanks 
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WolfLord Tech: im 17 :)
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: ...good for you?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinso Tech: I'm Chris Hand2
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinso Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: create a new button, on the advanced, assign it the botton set clear
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: then tap it.  create a new button tjere to open main button set
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arhianna Tech: I think I know. there is a preset button that says clear, when I push it it brings up a smaller set of "empty"buttons and a preset that says action which brings back the other buttons
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arhianna Tech: thanks so much...got it!
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: so gave MUSH a try for the first time (currently running zMUD 7.21) and i'm getting Unable to connect to "Aardwolf", code = 10061 (Connection refused).  suggestions?  (firewall is not the issue)
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: was it a brand new fresh install of aardmush or did you run it once a month or so ago?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: fist time install
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: er, first
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hit ALT+ENTER for config screen, make sure address is "aardmud.org", port is "23" and click "Clear cached IP"
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: ok ill try that.  i had changed the aardmud.org to the IP but need to change it back and check the port... thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: thanks Wink, that worked (on MUSH now)
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: cool.. i wonder if the fresh build has the old address pre-cached in it?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: the port was set to 4010 by default
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: port 4010 is fine
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can't find where/if the ip address is cached somewhere
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think most people don't have a problem, though. It could be your network configuration that blocks port 4010.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: could be... so next question.  is there a way to import several years worth of macros/scripts/etc from zmud into MUSH?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: What's our Vector (
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: sure is.. Menu -> File -> import
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish SMACKS WinkleWinkle upside the head, wonder what he did.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: NO
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: LOL
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: heh oh from cmud.. hehe no
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it depends on what your scripts do. https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/ConvertingScripts
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: hell, if i could just get my aliases, id me ok with that...
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you will find that aard mush has a very rich library of 3rd part plugins that may cover a lot of your needs
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: What's our Vector nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: in MUSH... i want the command that i type to stay in the bar and not clear... (ex. i type 'e' and want to be able to push enter multiple times to keep going east without having to retype 'e')
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you could use the keypad to move around and not have to worry about that
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: true...
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if you're not used to it, you will get used to it very quickly,.. it's a nice way to move around i find
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Game->Configure->Commands, check the Auto-repeat command box.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_make_it_so_that_commands_stay_on_the_input_line_after_I
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: awesome thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: more MUSH questions... i used to use AardDevil on zMud, when I would go on a quest it would display my mob loaction and mob static on the screen, can i set MUSH to do that?  Double was the same, even shoed a timer so I would know how long till double expired...  suggestions?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: finger bast
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: good stuff thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Anyone have any familiarity with floor plan software?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is there a mud app for wp7 like this blow torch thingie ?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Is there an easy way to highlight output I have routed to the Comm Log (AardMush)?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody tried kildclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Why?
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: is it any good or what
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: some clients let you call any interpreter you want instead of having a built in language, but this has an internal perl interpreter
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you lost me at perl
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: google's new google search web page is rubbish
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: yup!
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: used to be great because it was simple
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: now they've gone and stuck so much crap in it, it doesn't work properly any more. For instance, if you start typing while your PC is busy, it'll leave half the letters out
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: exactly. All the features it has now makes it slower.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: less worried about slow, more worried about unusable at times
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: yet more proof that progress often isn't
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abab Tech: how would i create a trigger to re-equip my weapon after being disarmed?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Use Basts
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abab Tech: basts?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Using Mushclient I assume?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abab Tech: im on my phone/:
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh...nvm
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abab Tech: so how would i?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: idk how your phone client works - try asking on mxit?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abab Tech: sure,thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Oo... pretty new program!
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: "Text Editor Anywhere allows you to edit text anywhere with your favorite text editor. It provides a means of taking advantages of some advanced features (like auto-completing, spell checking and syntax highlighting) that are only available in an external text editor. It may also save you from web browser crashes."
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Start with your cursor in the text box you're using, hit Win+A, write up your text, save, then alt+tab back to the program.  Windows only, though.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Works with all applications, it claims, and it does work with CMUD, so.. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli plans on using it while he's scripting. :D
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FnAqBroke Virigoth Tech: Does anyone have a good LUA string in MUSHclient for accepting a tell and having a trigger ignore a pretitle if you want to send a tell back ie the showdouble plugin autoreply.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Why not * (\w+) tells you?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or * (\w+) tells you *
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Though I suppose that'll capture things like 'Someone tells you 'Someone tells you 'lol''
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FnAqBroke Virigoth Tech: How does that negate the pre-title though?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Here you go: ^(?:.{1,12} )?(\w+) tells you *
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Oh, change that 12 to 10.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Forgot it's 10 character limit, not 12.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for capturing tells and replying to the person ignoring the pretitle, a few comments: (1) if you just use "reply", their name/pretitle doesn't matter, (2) don't trigger on the visible text that's sent to you. tells are sent in GMCP with a "player" field, so you don't have to account for pretitles
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Was there a problem relating to the mush mapper and path of believers? I vaguely recall hearing about it, and a fix, and my map there seems a bit odd.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and if I were going to trig on the visible MUD text, use telltags rather than just ignoring the first 10 possible characters in a line
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: possibly a needed purgezone from when the area renamed from goblin path, not sure though
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Thanks, I vaguely remember having purged it when it first changed, but I could be wrong, I'll try it now
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is there some nice hot-ass app like blowtorch for wp7 ?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: trez, have you tried doing a search on the wp app marketplace for "mud"? Pocketputty is available for wp7, which would allow you to use duckbat's proxy with your desktop client for best of both worlds
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I don't have the phone here, just scouting for what I should buy
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: The blow torch is sexy but I liked this wp7 phone... so I feel sad
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: this remote thingie could be good
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I'm less enamored with blowtorch, but I'm a CLI snob ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what's a cli
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: same here.  I generally use BT to connect to my home machine and run tintin from there.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: trez, command line interface
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and do I need a proxy, can't it just connect to my pc's ip
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so is it like a telnet what you're using
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: are you talking about your phone or your pc
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I ssh to my computer that runs my real client
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: both
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ssh wouldn't need proxy then
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: sounds sweet
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: correct
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: think of what you want access to, and what it'll look like, when deciding to use proxy or direct access...
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I didn't think about that
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you could use RDP or VNC to connect to your PC and have full access without a proxy
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: about remote
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but that means that your whole screen will be scrunched into a phone screen...that's not very workable
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh ye that too
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: using the proxy, your phone just has what looks like a telnet window, but that telnet window is talking to your mush/zmud/cmud
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger pumpkin
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, oops
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: MCCP on terminal on a mac?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can compile mccproxy to run in terminal on a Mac, but I'd run a client that supports mccp natively :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: Can you recommend a client that will run on a mac not boot camp or paralle;els.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: tinyfugue, mudlet, mushclient (via wine), tintin++...
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: options for clients on MacOSX would be (terminal/native) tinyfugue, tintin++, (gui/native) Mudlet, Atlantis, (gui/nonnative-BC/parallels/wine/xover/dosbox) mushclient, zmud
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: crossover, parallels, boot camp & fusion are payware emulators...wine, virtualbox & qemu are freeware emulators
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: virtualbox and qemu only emulate windows free of cost in cases where windows is free of cost
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: basically: windows sold separately
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: windows is never free of cost
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, boot camp, fusion, virtualbox and qemu emulate hardware only...software provided separately (including OS)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: crossover, parallels & wine emulate parts of windows, so windows not needed
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: dunno why you'd want to though, win7 is horrid
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: huh? who said anything about win7?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: just a personal interjection
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: no need to get excited :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, putting down something that wasn't suggested using 'dunno why you'd want to' seems odd, but meh :P
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: odd. closer to the mark, i guess
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: I will try the tin tin???
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: mac osx wasn't it?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at Feral Farkyss.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: congratulations on your 'lifestyle' choice
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure abbe, tintin++ will compile in OSX, then run in terminal.app
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and you complain that Win7 is horrid, Farkyss :P
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: Well it is either this or ubuntu
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: isn't mac osx essentially bsd with all the security ripped out?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's BSD with the gui redone
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: or crunch bang
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Keep in mind - if you want a gui, tintin++ and tinyfugue are not for you...
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: security wasn't touched
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: gui?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: abbe, non-terminal...graphical stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: I don't like graphics...
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: well i'll bear that in mind, though it's not what i heard, my gripe with apple is not the quality of their hardware, more their market tactics
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: gui = graphical user interface.  Anything that has a window and stuff in that window for you to generally not type to use.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: monopolistic tendancies that Bill Gates could only dream of
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Well, more of a point-and-click or menu-driven interface, rather than editing all of your scripts with your editor of choice.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, capitalism in its finest }:>
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: favourtism, more like
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: favouritism, even
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's a wonder Apple doesn't get hit with a lawsuit like Microsoft did and Google is now.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: heh, odd that
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: speaking of GUI is there a way to make mousable buttons in mushclient (aardwolf customised version)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tougher to argue monopoly when you don't own the field
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: beven, absolutely
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: almost everything you see on it is a mousable button, including the map
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: pointer to how?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yesm Beven, I dunno if they've gone to a completely graphical button but basically the trick is to linkify text.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: anyhew, i'll leave you to rake over the failings of democracy and society at large
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it'll keep you busy, there's enough of them
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/mw_hotspots.htm
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: so what I need to do is basicly writemy own plugin?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: NM someone hase done so already
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (disclaimer of bias, I use tinyfugue which has no GUI) I'd generally recommend using macros like fkeys instead of clickable buttons, since most of your MUDding time is spent with hands on keyboard rather than on mouse
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: depends how sophisticated your gui is ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you're asking how to simply make a button clickable...it's not ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: okay I think I am usig=ng tintin, doesnt look any different...
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I wouldn't want to have an all-button interface, even if the application simplifies button creation
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: my problem is I am an old-fart and tend to forget what key does what and just what all the various possibilities are.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that is always a danger
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: wanted to make a window full of buttons with my various combat skills is all, then its there in front of me
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: abbe: yup, using tintin++ will look pretty much the same as directly telnetting through terminal.app, but it'll give you the mccp bonus, let you use aliases, macros, triggers, scripts, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: how do I know if i did it right?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're connected through it now, type compress
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: Yay, I guess, thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger cheezburger for some tintin scripts :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: ???
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you finger players it gives info about them (like the .plan info on unix), one of the fields is website
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so players that have public sites to help other players put their site info into their finger
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cheezburger has some scripts that he uses with tintin on his site, the site name in his finger
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abbe Tech: Thanks abelinc, just got to fingering in newbie school. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: any zmud pros on?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: might as well go ahead and ask the question :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: im looking to find a way to take my list of campaign mobs and make them highlight a different color on my scans
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: use the #cw command to highlight, if that's what you're asking
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lysdexic Tech: so build a string list and use the #cw command to highlight them?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: ok question is i have a 100 Mbps connection speed but this download won't go over 82 kps
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: is it the site download location or is there something i can do to speed it up
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: slow on the server side
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: do you have slowness wth evrything?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: try to find a mirror or a later time when server is not in use so much, like 3am
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: ah ok
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: do you have a 100 Mbps local connection or a 100 Mbps internet line to the download site?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreadlord Talleron Tech: local connection
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace nods at Drakoth.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: that speed is probably your connection to the router anyway
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i notice you can update a processor's microcode with a software program (like linux's boot time /etc/firmware option), is there a way to add a bios option to enable access to it or disable?  and prevent even operating systems from writing it without the user modifying the bios setting?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i seen intel does have a bios writing or software testing program you can boot into, i'm not sure where i'd find documentation on that kind of stuff though
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: loking it up in google i get a  www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/3437730.txt
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 'disable access to microcode intel search terms
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: just curious, cause i figure a microcode trojan or something would be pretty hard to find
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: to disable it would give a layer of protection against that
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i updated my processor's microcode cause i read they can fix logic errors through it for the machine code to use
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and theo de raadt or somebody was posted on a website as saying core 2 processors had an unfixable hole by software
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so since microcode can be modified (what interprets the bytecodes)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: by the operating system at boot time, locking that down seems to be a good idea
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: Just curious: why do you want to mess with the processor's code?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: there's a very small amount of high income people compared to low income people anywhere, except where they all receive their incomes from somewhere else
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm interested in it, you can make a processor understand bytecodes for any processor by writing a proper filter, iiuc
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's not something i'd do right away, but i'm curious if it's possible/what's possible with it
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: Interesting, but hardware is not really my area I'm afraid...
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: Good luck.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but preventing that from being modified is a security measure if you come across some very advanced hackers, cause if they could install their own microcode, how could you ever know?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's what interprets your program's bytecode's into actions by the cpu
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: Sounds like if a hacker messed with that, they could cause an irreperable bug.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so a bios setting that requires a local access to it, and a modified bios to make sure that's not modifiable from within a operating system (flashing, configurable to a certain usb device with a signature for instance)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: would plug two deep hole's in system security
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: exactly
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: as i understand it, microcode was invented as a way to make circuit design less complex
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: Have there been instances of malware like that, or is this just theory?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: otherwise they'd have to be hand wired into their unmodifiable formations
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: just theory
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: Depenging on how the processor's code is stored, it might be impossible to overwrite with a mug.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: bug*
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: I would imagine that ona hardware level, it is fairly "write-only"
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: possibly yeah, at some point it has to be
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but you can download microcode update's for intel processors, usually handled by bios upgrade's from your vendor
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and then those modify the microcode itself, patching maybe some error's that occurred after release
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so if error's can be patched by it, then it's possible that they can also be introduced, isn't it?
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: unless the processors themself watch for something like that
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: I'm looking at "microprocessor" on Wikipedia, and indeed they are programmable, but I am not seeing any information about how their logic is stored.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it'd take alot of research to decide what is possible about it and bios modification's (both which i think could be locked from access except on a very configurable level)
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but whether those things are possible or not was my concern, i seen no option in my bios
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: .. i read up on a term about that, some kind of file
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: tech microprocessor Design/Register File
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think this might be near to it, there's alot of different parts to them
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it seems almost like register's themselves are abstractions to a section of this file
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcode might be something like the engineers write the update's themselves
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it is pretty neat
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: Ah, on that Wiki site for microcode, it says that microcode is usually read only
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that looks like it, A control store is the part of a CPU's control unit that stores the CPU's microprogram.  It is usually accessed by a microsequencer.
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, linux update's it as it reboots with the intel program or manual maybe modprobe instructions /etc/firmware
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so it is somewhat readonly, but it seems to be modifiable as the system is starting
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: for my core 2 cpu at least
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: like, type in intel microcode update on google and you find a result - it's not all types of processors that have that available though
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'd assume they modify the microprogram itself, but maybe it is a different level
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it can be abusable foresure, causing great damage, but so can bios update's, and people who bust those up and hack them into somebody's computer already do the same kind of damage
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i only mention it because i see no interface towards preventing that abuse offered, both to the bios and to the microprogram, 
T3/r4/2011-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: something as simple as a switch in the bios that could prevent any modification to microcode or the bios until a user boots into the bios and says, yes, this next boot this system can modify it
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if somebody whacks your bios or your microprogram, there's absolutely nothing you can do to fix it that i can see, cause i doubt that's stored on the CMOS
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or powered by
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it could be though, only a temporary setting
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: short of maybe handing it to intel and saying look here, how come i can't ever prevent this from happening?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but they're not the only vendor either
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: spaaaammmm
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: these Burroughs system's on the microcode wiki sound pretty good too - the B1700 had bit addressable memory (instead of byte), and would preload the interpreter for whatever language was required (bit addressable means maybe you could have one set of byte codes for C USER programs and one set of byte codes for C system program's, and both could use different byte sizes or word sizes)
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: as far as i see
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and the B700 microprocessor execute application-level opcodes - which is like that
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: is the person you're telling this to even online anymore?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: which would make a system alot less vulnerable towards software bugs on application programs
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't know
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but it's innovative computer science
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: 8===>
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: heheh
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lots of things that could prevent government and corporation's information from being exploited or leaked by software flaws
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i guess they probably already use things like these though
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i feel like this is jack burton's monologue on his CB in Big Trouble in Little China
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: hahaha winklewinkle
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Just remember what old Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big old storm right in the eye and says, Give me your best shot. I can take it.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: have one of the core's on an intel processor running in kernel mode interpreting from it's control store a set of kernel 31 bit byte's or something random, the other 7 core's 2 of which are running in level 1 and 2 listing in their own byte codes through a translation register their communications to one another doing various security or operating system optimizations and the user leve programs with their possibly 4th byte size
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: unable to even communicate in the same language as the kernel
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i think most of us are unable to communicate in the same language as your ramblings as well ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol Jack Burton always says at a time like that: Have ya paid your dues, Jack? Yessir, the check is in the mail.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: is that china buying all of the politicians in canada?  i was curious seeing some of their current vocations and hiring habits, maybe they made an alliance
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: jesus, you chinese recoinassance workers or counter surveillance teams are interesting pretenders at the least
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think you're just pulling my leg though
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: maybe you're a murderer though, i can't put that beyond you
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i can see you can't handle a discussion especially when you have no input
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: wtf are you talking about?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you know theres an ft channel for this junk?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that voice in the back of your head that tells you how smart you are
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i now know where all the crystal meth is.. in druzil
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: nah, probably padding your bank account fat boy
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace laughs out loud at WinkleWinkle.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: how much of a cut did tehy give you to sell all of those missing weapons to mexican drug dealers?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or those bullets over ebay to the norwegian they might have said
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: thats not a sentence
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: fyi
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's an open sentence and you're my variable
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: thats actually a decent comeback
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: seeing what you think about things, you have the attitude of one who thinks alot about things just like that
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14370878
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: probably because a big part of IQ tests is math skills and not IQ, and if you have math skills, you're a techie and will not use IE
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Averan Tech: ahahaha, I always knew it
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think it's because if you have low iq you'd be less inclined to bother making a switch to another browser
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: how come when i publish my project in VS it doesn't actually put any files in the folder? any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: nvm shoulda checked the build output
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siko Tech: on my mac's terminal, what does cd /stuff/ do, as opposed to cd stuff/ - when would i add a / in front?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: it will search for stuff in the root directory.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siko Tech: that makes sense now :P thanks!
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aldraxis Tech: anyone know if any decent iPhone mud clients ? using one now at a pub. it's not great!
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: 1. Why are you on your phone at a pub - pubs are for ale and tail     2. 'Mud Client' exact phrase - crap compared to MUSH, better than most out there, plus it's free
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aldraxis Tech: I'm at the bar waiting for my mate. this is making it look like I'm doing something so as to avoid loner anxiety. I think that client is the one I'm using, half of the screen real estate is taken up by a command box?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yup...good for questing, hard for chatting...I gave up, personally
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: What's wrong with the client, the GUI ?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: iirc, it was originally designed for iPad, where it works like a charm.  On an iPhone, it makes poor screen real estate choices
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Darkwing Duckbat nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Hi guys I wrote a little bit better tutorial on how to use your mushclient aliases and triggers (or any other MUD client's) on your phone, here it is: http://duckbat.com/phone.html
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: If you connect remotely you Need to be able to open one port (default 4000)
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Tutorial also includes pictures :P
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Any chance of a duckbat directory? - that site has some hidden gold
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Yeah I'm in the process of creating a new website where you can browse anything on the site :D but it will take time :p
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh, fancy - I was thinking more a bare html list, tbh :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: I guess possible but not interested in changing anything right now because webhost quit playing Aardwolf and I don't have any access except ftp :(
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Duckbat has no access to duckbat o.O?????
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Yeah :p I will move it once the new website is finished
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: I started building new website in ASP.net it's awesome but also sucks so badly at the same time :p
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Anyone got a good host to recommend which I can leave a persistent Aard session on?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: localhost
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: ok so heres the deal... i need to get my AardDevil working or I will have to quit playing.  I made the mistake of trying out AardMUSH on Monday and it completely jacked up my Aard settings, any suggestions would be welcome...
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: is there a way to reset all my settings back to default?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Delete it and download it again
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: stay with aard mush
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: tried that, its not aarddevil, its something that was changed in my aardwolf settings.  prob tags
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Doesn't aarddevil only work for zmud?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: type tags and toggle to ones related to whats not working
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: if only i knew which ones were changed that would be great, i tried playing around with some of them, nothing seemed to work. *frustrated
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: aard works fine minsu AD, something just stopped reporting to AD
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: What's not working with AD anymore?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Pretty sure AD was created before tags and all even existed
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: everything, its like its not receiving any info from aardwolf, ive tried setprompt, update and restore, nothing
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: aard devil should reset itself up, if its written well, it set itself up in the firsr place didnt it? maybe tere is a command?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Sure you have AD installed still?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Hasn't AardDevil stopped being supported? </hearsay>
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: yep looking at it right now, even tried a backup copy from before MUSH with leads me back to something MUSH did to my settings
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FnAqBroke Virigoth Tech: sounds like your tags got jacked up when AardMUSH adjusted them
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: What's our Vector agrees!
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Isn't AD older than tags?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: anyone have AD working that wants to send me your tags setup?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Which means tags wouldn't matter
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: something mush did... like set up its setting when run, something AD isnt doing ... and its mush's fault
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: What AD are you even using?  I thought AD was for Zmud
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: it is, im using AD v3.2 on zmud v7.21 as i have for years
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Oh, I gotcha now
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Aardmush changes zmud triggers?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: What's our Vector sighs.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: No but it changes your character settings, which is what he is saying!
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Try typing adini?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: have promptflags off?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: that is how i get AD up and running, and it is
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: ill try that
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: nothing
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Try turning tags off completely?  Pretty sure AD uses none of them
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: I have no tags on and my ad works fine
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: global is set to off, ill try turning off all tags and see
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Oops, except for global
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: ok all tags are off except global, ill restart AD and see
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: What's our Vector screams loudly!
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: ugh this is so stupid, it has to be something so simple... and im just not seeing it
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: ok, almost have AD working again... aard is reporting to AD as it should now... however now i have a 5 line prompt on my screen that i dont want to see, but if i type 'prompt' to turn it off then aard stops reporting to ad... suggestions?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Make a trigger to gag it? 
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Maybe you have statmon on ?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Nah, Aarddevil requires a specific prompt.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It was long before statmon was made.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: hmm not statmon
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: iirc AD adds a fixprompt command
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: yep, did that, im still seeing the prompt.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}What's our Vector Tech: FIXED! *cheer   the prompt issue was in AD 'setprompt 0'  thanks all for your help
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: is there perhaps a Client for the Blackberry Torch?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: BBSSH
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: where do I get that?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: google for it?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: ehm okay thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: you may need to just use midpSSH
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: It's what I use on my curve
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SirRaven Tech: I think my screen is bigger?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I'm sure it is, but still...
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Old man Joshu Tech: when you catch something with (\w+) how do you reference the match in a reply?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: %1
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Old man Joshu Tech: thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if it's the first thing in parenths...otherwise %2, %3, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Okay, so I'm feeling like a bit of an idiot - what's the point in gmcp sending you channel info, if you just have to gag the channels manually anyway if you're gonna put 'em in another window?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: two answers to that...
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: (1) there will be a way to turn off one without the other
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: (2) You can see GMCP channels while in note mode, etc.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Ah, cool to both, thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Vakieh, in complete agreement.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: sli evga gtx 580 3gb vram water cooled or keep it fan fantastic?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: any thoughts?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: anyone know what would cause a db record variable in cmud to "overwrite" itself whenever I restart cmud?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I have a campaign stat aggregator, and for some reason, it goes back to the state of having one mob left to kill, instead of being complete.  same with the gq counter.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Do you tell it explicitly to clear all variables and turn the trigger classes off when you complete the cp/gq?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Been getting Blue Screens of Death of late - but they only appear for a brief half second then computer shuts down.  Guessing its something hardware related.  I downloaded the Windows Memtest, and it checks out, any other ideas.  The dumps list all sorts of files.  Anti-virus says nothing.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: version? recent updates?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Although this did start a few weeks after I cleared a nasty bit of Spyware off my computer.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Windows XP SP3, never doing the same thing when it shuts down
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: have the stop error?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: How do I get that?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: hit f8 at startup and choose disable auto-restart 
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: let it boot then shut down and see if you get the bsod
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: It almost always boots up though, it just randomly conks out. 
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: you said you read the minidumps?
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Actually not entirely true, occasionally when I start up nothing happens, no bios, no nothing.  Eventually after a few tries it will start.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah I have looked at these minidumps, but no clue what I am looking for.  The identified or suspected causes on the botttom of each are different.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: look at the faulting module at the top
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: it should also list the stop error e.g 0x00000000007E 
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: google those may lead to more info
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: /***** Debugger could not find nt in module list, module list might be corrupt, error 0x80070057. I don't see a stop error listed on any of these
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Does this mean anything from event viewer: The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck.  The bugcheck was: 0x1000000a (0x00000000, 0x0000001c, 0x00000001, 0x80502cd6). A dump was saved in: C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\Mini080311-01.dmp.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the the PIN on my luggage!
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tater Tot Vinatia Tech: anyone here willing to walk me through setting up my mxit?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: setting it up how? If you're here, then it's all set up
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tater Tot Vinatia Tech: im on my laptop... trying to get it through my phone, just got the mxit app
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mxit is a chat client, not a MUD client, so it doesn't have anything to make Aard better
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Perhaps they are connected some other way right now, Abe.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tbh, if you've got a computer, then mxit isn't what you want to be using even on your phone
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mxit's a good way to find out about aard, but it's the worst of the options for connecting to aard
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tater Tot Vinatia Tech: hey abe did you ever think i cant carry my laptop in my pocket? by golly gee whiz
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and you can't use it to connect to aard from many countries (such as the US), since you need to spend mxit moola to use aard
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you're looking for a way to connect from your phone, try get a phone client
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: vinatia, I'm saying even on a phone, mxit is the worst option
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are a number of better options for phones
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what os is your phone though?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tater Tot Vinatia Tech: such as? sorry all ive ever used is a comp
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: rdp from my phone to my laptop running AardMush is amusing.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: speaking of phone clients is there a blackberry client by any chance?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: midpssh?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: midpssh, bbssh, pocketputty, blowtorch, pocketmud
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Ozu - use midpSSH to connect to your CLI mud client on your home computer...
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and yeah, can use rdp or vnc to connect to the GUI of home computer, but that's really tough to deal with squeezing the whole screen onto a phone
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also slow
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: nice. will have to look into that so i can get my fix on the go
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: I use my readers :)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: duckbat's proxy is a nice compromise in that it gives you CLI access to GUI clients :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Or perhaps 8)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you don't get the GUI aspects of the client, but can use its commands
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tater Tot Vinatia Tech: i just got a samsung galaxy... wanna be able to at least quest on the go... any ideas the best client to use? and again sorry im new to smart phones. heck i just started using non-full screen text :p
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: blowtorch
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tater Tot Vinatia Tech: under apppack?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Abelinc is right, some kind of ssh client to a CLI mud client running on your comp.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's a version of blowtorch made for aard, with some buttons preprogrammed
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: search for aardwolf mud in the android marketplace
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: board 1, note subject android
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or maybe it's aardwolf rpg
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fiendish, do you know if it has been submitted to the marketplace yet?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ok, cool
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the initial post said that was the goal, but that they wanted feedback first, didn't know if they'd gotten much of any feedback
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://tinyurl.com/3gh5h3o
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: apparently it has 1000-5000 installs. I'm jealous.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Aah ASP.net sucks I hate it now :p
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: gratz
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: write your new site in whitespace ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Lol back to php :p which I also hate
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Anyone know about WinXP's Windows File Protection? I'm getting it pop up occasionally complaining about a file called 'MW770.CAT', which doesn't exist and seems to be a driver or something similar for hardware I don't have (IBM MWave modem?). Should I be concerned?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: google that file name, see if it's related to a rootkit or virus
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: anyone got a linux&/bsd client to recommend?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: I use tt++
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: but my favorite for a long time was tinyfugue
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ctrl-Alt- Deltron Tech: mushclient works fine through wine for me :)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Is that one console based?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I forgot to mention that since I have a very tine window
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Ack, how do I restore the interface?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I am pretty happy with tt++ :D
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: tinyfugue is what I always used to use on *nix boxen.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I'll try TTOlOl and then try tinyfugue
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: console only source code available
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I use tt++, but I was going to select a client today, I would try mush under wine
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: There we go, TF installed
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Now how do I revert back everything the MUSHclient changed?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: #sigh#  check yesterday's discussion with Vector
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: anyone ever run across this problem in cmud? #ADD example.record 10 doesn't always save example variable between sessions but example = @example.record + 10 does 
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Now with the mushclient!
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Is there any good spellup plugin for aardwolf?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I'm using the mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: I use basts
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Get bast's stuff, it's great, loads of other stuff in there too
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Do you have a link?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: finger bast
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: So dirty~
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Irys laughs out loud.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Which one of them is the spellups?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You need all of the files - then load miniwin_spellup
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i also have a spellup plugin that is very simple to use and has no file dependencies
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: just include and go
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Is anyone using bast's spellup?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: me
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I'm having problems adding stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I winkle
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: bsp sadd all
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I knew there was an easier way :D
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Thanks!
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: np
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: for other commands using bast-spellup try 'bsp help'
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle hugs Vakieh.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Silly question, but I installed this client on Win 7. Making an XP partition for gaming, it is compatible yes?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Mushclient that is.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Compatible with either one, yes
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Ok just wanted to be sure.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Using the aard version or vanilla mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you won't be able to view Mush's help file easily on Win7
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Aar
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not true
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Then yeah, shouldn't have any problem
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: aard*
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you just have to install the windows 7 help viewer
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enohet Tech: Aight, cool beans. Win XP PE ftw.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: has link to winhlp32 for vista and for w7
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: iirc 4.76 moves to new help system
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a system that I don't really like. I wish he'd just moved to the newer help file format
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, just noticed release notes, didn't look at it
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's just a sqlite database, which means it's not useful outside of a mushclient plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, he prolly figures if you're outside mushclient, you'll just use the web version on his site
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'd rather he used a format that doesn't rely on yet another plugin, like PDF or CHM
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: programs for which everyone already has
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hehe technically pdf needs a plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: everyone has a pdf viewer
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it doesn't
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it needs a program, not a plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and if they don't they should anyway
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but the plugin being referred to was mushclient plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Nah, it just needs a really big terminal and a lot of thinking...
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle laughs out loud at Not an Imm Erikson.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So what help doesn't work on what - My mush 4.75 aard style help works on xp, vista and 7 32 bit, as well as 7 64 bit
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: vakieh, you had to install a help viewer to use it on vista and w7
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: vista stopped shipping what had been the standard microsoft help viewer
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and 4.76 changed to a database-driven help that uses a help plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well it doesn't change to. it just also includes
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Definitely didn't on 7 32 bit... possible on the Vista and 7 64 for something else
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, OK
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: makes the package slightly larger
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: vakieh, no version of vista or w7 ships with winhlp32.exe
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: But 7 32 bit was vanilla and worked fine
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Sure they did... it wasn't on my 32-bit. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so in order to use the helps, you (or the guy before you) absolutely, 100% did install it
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Self built from parts and an oem 7 install disc
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and installed help }:>
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Liathum Tech: Okay, I have an open office calc question, probably extremely basic, or completely impossible, if anyone wants to tackle it?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Better to ask your questions instead of asking if you can ask your question.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Liathum snorts.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Liathum Tech: Forget it then.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ranrr sighs.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: sorry for not reporting in for duty
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Yeah, because you didn't actually have a question anyway.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: QUICK! SERVE ME AS IS MY RIGHT TO BE SERVED OH LISTENERS OF TECH
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: lol jk
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: A lot of times, people will do a tech -h to see what's been happening.  I know Fiendish will respond to something two hours later...
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So yeah, you're better off asking your question anyway.  If there's someone here who can help, you'll get your answer.  If not, oh well.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is motorola defy better than htc trophy
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: droid is its other name I think
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't follow phones that don't have hardware keyboards
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: doesn't it look big with a qwerty
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: htc trophy appears to be a windows phone? I wouldn't get one.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: nod wp7
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: why is wp7 bad
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: do they make keyboards that can communicate over those kind of links you use from your camera to usb port?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that would be pretty good, but i think the phone goes into a dead state when you access it with that
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I prefer Android
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: phones have them too, really tiny plugs
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well I'm not sure what the difference is, wp7 looks supersmooth
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Druzil, the plug is just usb, so probably, but I wouldn't carry an extra keyboard around
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: windows on a phone is bad for the same reason windows on a PC is bad, i.e. no applications, viruses, hard to customize, no support etc.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so you'd just need to convert the usb connector on the keyboard into the neccessary wire's on the tiny connector and somehow program a keyboard driver for the phone
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that second part would be neccessary a(nd the first), it would be a good idea though with all the stuff they put on phones now
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suspect viruses isn't really a problem for wp7
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: people texting all over the place
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what's a nice phone with android and qwerty then
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: in the same price range the phones are with like 400 x 320 pixels
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Motorola Droid 3
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bt its not out yet
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Wooh, tf updates. Now, my question.. the update brings the following.. GMCP support (that's the one everyone's raging about right?)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: droid 2 is about 600 usd here
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: seems a bit expensive
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you typically get it with a service plan for less
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Let me ask the question differently..
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: little fold up keyboard you can clip onto the back of your iphone or something with the wire engraved into it for storage, takes keypress input from the keyboard when it's unfolded
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they make those but probably not as small right now, see what i mean?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Which protocols can be used with Aardmud: ATCP, GCMP, and telnet option 102 support.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: GMCP and ATCP2 are the same thing
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Non-techie here experiencing a BIG and so far unsolved problem with cmud. Any takers?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and both build on top of telnet option 102
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Weird, why can i choose then. Thanks, will look into it Fiendish!
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Fiendish: So, if i would want to use GCMP, i'd just build all 3 into tf?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: my aunt texts and she's in her 60's, squinting at the screen and tapping the buttons into a phrase - it's cheaper to text than send a phone call
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: mention it or build it!
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't understand the question, Sathre
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Fiendish: http://homepage.mac.com/mikeride/abelinc/scripts/allsrcpatch.txt ..they are 3 different things, i fail to understand if i need all 3 or just 1 of them.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: aardwolf uses option 102 and gmcp, but not atcp
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: atcp1 is obsolete. atcp2 is gmcp
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: whats a good client for windows 7 ... it seems z mud does not work
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: zmud works fine in windows 7. so does the aardwolf mushclient package
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: i cant get my zmud to work
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Sympathies, Elchanan. I can't get cmud to work and it's driving me nuts.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: windows 7 has a compatibility mode
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://tagn.wordpress.com/2010/11/13/meanwhile-zmud-runs-fine-on-windows-7-pro/
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but anyway, if you can't get it to work, you might consider switching over to mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I second the motion
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I have an ascii image in html format - is there any way of converting that to xterm 256 aside from manually that anyone knows about?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/html2text/ ?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i'm not sure if it'd do color cods and stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yeah, really after it for the colours, it's a colour based ascii art :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Really cool converter if anyone wants a looksee - http://www.text-image.com/
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: lol im an idiot thanks that was really simplew
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: How can i see which protocols Aardmud detected in my client.. or doesn't it work that way?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it'd all be a telnet detection i think, GMCP runs over telnet
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: type "protocols"
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: oh like that
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Ow, telnet option 102 is deprecated as well i see?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, it was an aard-only hack...gmcp is used on lots of MUDs and does the same thing
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sathre, type prot
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, oops, skimmed over winkle's
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Yeah, thanks though :). Abelinc, is there any description how to use it in tf btw, i don't see it in the patches. Your site?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are some things that he coded into opt102 that he hasn't put into opt201 (gmcp)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: my telopt.tf file has the real-use stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Cool, superb, you rock, as well as for making these patches!
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although now that you're asking, I don't think I've uploaded any changes to that in a while...what's there will work, but tonight I'll upload something more up to date :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Sweet will be looking out for it. Lemme restart tf with GMCP.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't even need to restart tf
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: upon /load telopt.tf it should negotiate stuff and be live
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: GMCP working \o/.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: don't you find wp7 prettier than android
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: so, has anyone else been following the GOOG rant about patents
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: Im curious to see if anyone know why my Health Bars plugin from Nick Gammon's site doesnt update properly? I just copied my old plugin folder here and everything else works except health bars
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: use the aard mush health bars
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the aard mushclient package comes with it
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is there a particular reason why you aren't using the health bars plugin included with the aardwolf client package?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: one from gammon's site is bad in comparison :P
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: hmm ok I will try that thx
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, the change from stacked default threw some people this week
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but the option is great
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think unstacked is better as default
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nodnod, it's more what people would be used to from the statusbar
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which iirc is what gammon's used
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: he did also make a miniwindow one, I think, but it wasn't very good
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or maybe someone else made it
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: ok Ive tried the one Aardwolf health bars from fiendish now also , still same issue, doesnt update :O Im thinking Im missing some other plugin since Ive just copy pasted lots to sort my new mush 
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you might be usings tags
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I mean, missing tags
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the aardwolf mushclient package is designed to be used intact, not piecemeal
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if you overwrote your \worlds\plugins foder with an old one,... then that was bad
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: henriken, did you take fiendish's and copy it into your folder? that won't work
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: trez, fiendish's uses gmcp & not tags :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: I did . I tried to follow the guide to updating my mush on aardwolf webpage
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: earlier you said you copied over your old plugins folder
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: yep but I meant the other way sorry, the guide stated I needed to copy over plugins so I took all my old ones
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: copy over old plugins folder means you pretty much told it to use old versions instead of compatible versions of anything that existed in both
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: is there a way to enable only certain spell tags?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow at Fae Wino Joelz's weird actions.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: certain tags yes, certain spell tags, no
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: how do you mean joelz?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: that's the question, thanks abe
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: spell tags are a particular type of tag
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: i mean, i want sfail and affoff tags, i dont care about the others
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type tags to see what types of tags you can turn on/off
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: make a trigger for them that gags them
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: im going to
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: current spellup scripts should already gag them
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: its so annoying, guess I have to start over again? Had all plugins working except health bars :(
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: writing a spellup script? there are already good ones out there
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nudge him.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: except Abe doesn't think mines good :P
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: henriken, download a fresh mushclient from aard's site, start it up & log in...verify that health bars work
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I haven't looked lately, I thought you fixed it :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: mostly fixed, but the design is the same
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I only remember a problem with clan skills
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and 1% spells
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: same thing
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: I downloaded a fresh one and yes health bars work here
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: but I have got no plugins almost and no settings :(
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: OK, now slowly and carefully look at the plugins
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and *ONLY* move stuff that doesn't exist
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: actually if you have any of bast's stuff, I'd say download his latest package as well
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and you hardly have no plugins...the thing ships with a buttload
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: thx mate, will printscreen and compare on my other version
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mapper, the automap, channel capture, health, group, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: I did compare the working mush version's plugins and it had no plugin that the faulty health bar version hadnt :(
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: unlikely
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: What did you have that's missing?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: nothing was missing
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Is there any way in the mushclient 'mapper find' to make it search for an exact name, for example searching for 'the cell' finds just that room rather than all rooms containing that string?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wrap in quotion marks
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Simple, I like it :) Thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I see...I'd tried single-quotes before but it needs double-quotes, thanks, works great
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: I did a fresh re-install but didnt copy over the state files like the guide said, now it works!
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hooray!
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Henriken Tech: thx guys :)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Using MUSH. Anyway to make an alias that you can enter a variable into after the alias. Such as, Mapper area <variable>?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yes!  use *
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: eg "go *"  which then does "mapper goto %1"  with Send To set to "execute"
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: for example
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: or for your example "ma *"  --> "mapper area %1" , send to  "execute"
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: I want to alias ma, to do mapper area. So I can enter ma turnip, for example. What would the alias look like. Mapper area * ?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: ahh I see the * is in the alias line
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: dont' forget the Send To part
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: The alias line would be 'ma *', the send text would be 'mapper area %1' and you need the 'Sent to' droplist set to 'Execute'
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Got it, thanks man.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: anytime
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: anyone use entity framework?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no.. only horrible Linq to Sql
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i like linq for other thigs but not linq to sql so much
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: completely agreed
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: anyone use the 'magic trackpad' on a pc/
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the mac one?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: the laptop clit?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i was going to.. all set to buy it.. then i heard it doens't work as well on a pc unless its' a bootcamp pc
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: cant do 4 or 3 finger gesuters i think
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: apple should start making PCs. i like their hardware but their software sucks imo.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: apple PC software is deliberately bloated for some reason
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: newbie mushclient question time... what's the "right" way to edit plugins? Is it necessary to just modify the .xml and keep reinstalling them to test, or is there something simpler?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Conspiracy theorists' heads are bloated for some reason.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i used to have a mac. i switched back to pc after a year
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i edit in notepad++ and then reinstall the plugin.. from Ctrl-shift-p...
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: Windoze software is also deliberately bloated 
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Thanks Winkle. Was hoping there was some way to make it "immediate" as if editing a normal script
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you cna also make an alias that will reload a plugin based on it's id number or name to shorten teh reinstall step
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Ah ha! That's probably the way to go. Awesome, thanks!
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace  thinks Xyliz may be deliberately bloated.
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Windoze.. lol.. don't you mean Micro$oft?  It's not 1994 anymore BTW
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: MediocreSloth produced Windoze
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i kinda think pinch and zoom is annoying on the computer
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: LUA syntax :  ReloadPlugin ("753ba7e011f3c8943a885f18")
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just reload. it's pretty fast with keyboard shortcuts
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Yep, it was right there in the API. The API is just... huge. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ctrl+shift+p arrow arrow alt+i
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: go linux...
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Okay, fair enough Fiendish. Except when the plugin is way down the list. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: end and pagedn/pageup work
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: girls are impressed by the size of your api
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: how would you go about keeping control character's in a terminal emulator's memory instead of hard coding them into a wall of text?  say you want text in your terminal to be formatted dynamically when you resize your screen
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: right now it still breaks a newline where it was, would you take the newline's that the text gives you and put that into a static document, then keep the text breaking up characters that your terminal adds and store them somewhere else and apply them every time it's resized?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: keep them in a buffer
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i think i will try that
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: need a character offset and things like that as dynamic variable's in the rendering text
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: any hams on tonight? had a SDR question
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: SDR?
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: Software Defined Radio
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: sounds cool
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, duh...for some reason my brain read that as any imms on tonight
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: yeah, uses FPGA's or other programmable asics and a PC to make a radio
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I am a ham, but haven't done anything with SDR...used to do packet radio (using radio basically as Internet)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: fpgas are fuuuun
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: in the end i want to try SDR -> Packet Radio to SDF to my shell account and then tf to Aard. then i think i may win the nerdiest nerd award
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: i know it wont actually work, but cool to try
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if you do that i will buy you a medal with bitcoins
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: deal!
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk at his saying.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: i just ordered a kit and im going to hopefully go take my exam this weekend
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: T4 templates are kinda confusing
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: hmm downloaded sharptracker, now how do i get it to be a plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I can't decide wether I want qwerty slide or not
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: How about a Dvorak slide instead?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: do those exist?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I've heard qwertz is the buzz nowadays
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: has anyone tried htc desire keyboard?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I seriously love the new mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: qwerty or no qwerty
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: balloney
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: macbook keyboards don't have a hash key
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: That annoyed the hell out of me
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: in fact, they're pretty non-standard all the way
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's an android one
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: being apple, i'm surprised they don't have a "give us all of your money" key
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: purely as a lifestyle choice, you understand
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I think it's called 'the power button'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: dvorak simplified keyboard ftw
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: why would i want to suddenly switch keyboard layouts after 28 years?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: to avoid carpal tunnel
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: too late
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: lol, same here, actually
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: difference is not just qwerty, but 200 mhz processor difference, amoled, some memory
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but i switched from sholes also because i wanted to learn to touch type correctly
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and learning a new layout was easier than re-learning the old one
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: smartphones should be banned
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I tried a bunch of different keyboards and layouts, and finally i found out that a regular straight keyboard is the best for my wrists.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i guess you didn't try dvorak then. or actually used it for a while
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I guess it depends on why your wrists hurt.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i can type on sholes, but it's, well, uncomfortable once you get used to dvorak
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: typing on home row is awesome
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I only use one row of letters anyways, why should I change?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Maybe, some day, when I don't need to produce anything useful for a month or so, I'll give it a new try.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: try it for a month exclusively
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and DON'T re-arrange your keys
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: avoid the nasty habit of looking at your kb
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, it's fun to watch someone try to use your computer when they're unaware of your custom layout
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yup. I've switched control and caps lock. It's awesome. 
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: It's also fun when people try to use your trackball as a mouse
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but my friend modded "esto dvorak" which i'm using now. http://dvorak.juhe.ee/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/layout-et.png
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: heh. i never got trackballs
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what are they good for anyway?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I can't use a mouse, hurts like hell. Trackball works better for me.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But I don't use a mouse that much.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I hate graphical interfaces. Prefer command line.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i hate using the mouse. keyboard shortcuts ftw
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i want to try out one of these - http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/kb_adv-blk720x471.jpg
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: developing some serious carpal tunnel on my laptop keyboard right now
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: does windows 7 have a hide window shortcut or soemthing like that, to instantly minimize like cmud when someone walks by! lol
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: same as previous versions. windows key - m
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or you could try not MUDding when you're supposed to be doing work... :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FnAqBroke Virigoth Tech: Use a VM and minimize the window
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: not mudding at work?  ok disregarding that answer!  seems the windows key -m minimizes everything, i just want to minimize the current window i have open
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: so that my like outlook or something will still be open when i minimize this window or hide this window
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: or you could have tons of console windows open so no one will notice your one mud window
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: is 'alt+space n' too many keystrokes?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: end change between them with alt-tab
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: alt space n is perfect
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mye smiles happily.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: thanks for the help guys
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: is there a way to copy something but include the color codes used?  or see the color codes used in something?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rawcolor
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}@GTech@w: @c+s@w
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: 1 ) you will want to upgrade to 4.77
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: 2) the site you get aard-flava mush from should have migration steps
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: 3) finger Fiendish for the url
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 4.73 is way old
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: in mush, is it possible to make a plugin that immediately executes a few commands when you add it, then deletes itself?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but why?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: adding mapper portals
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Sounds like a virus :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: seems you can just execute a textfile with the list rather than making a whole plugin out of it, if you're just looking for an import/export dealie
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you could use the immediate execution window?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: sure, how do i make mush execute a text file?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't think you do. Use the immediate execution window.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, sorry, game -> immediate, paste it in...file -> import is for stuff that's already xml, the definitions stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, has to be pasted?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: can't just say execute this text file, line by line? with a browse for the file window?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: with CTRL + I you can 
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shakes his head at WinkleWinkle.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that was a mis
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what's the difference, myrkul?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: more work for the people i give it to :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it isn't
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, they have to open the file, copy everything...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that must be horrible
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'm looking for an execute a text file function, not an execute everything i type into this window function
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: does that exist, yes or no?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Can you invert the TNL counter in aardmush?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we answered
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes, Deepy
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right click on the label
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, you answered just use the immediate execution window
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Ah, found it
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I was trying to right click ON the bar. Thanks!
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Myrkul Tech: sure, how do i make mush execute a text file?  Fiendish Tech: I don't think you do. Use the immediate execution window.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it was suggested in replacement of something that you can't do
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ok, so you can't execute a text file? that sucks :(
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: double-click file, ctrl-a, ctrl-v, alt-tab, ctrl-i, ctrl-v, click run, I'd do that more quickly than I'd get to the right folder using the plugin add feature
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you import from textfiles, you execute commands
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you mean ctrl-c
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't think that opening the file and selecting all is slower than having to navigate to where the file is
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you still have to get to the right folder to double-click the file, abe ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think it's faster
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, I do
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the right folder is the readily-available one, myrkul
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or do you typically download stuff to folders that aren't a click away?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: then it would be readily available from the mush browse-for-a-file window too
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, it wouldn't
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it would need to be navigated to
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the readily-available folder isn't where the plugin add begins
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, the readily-available folder is probably the desktop, in which case you just click the desktop button on the left of the browse window
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or the downloads folder
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's one click away, same as actually getting to the desktop
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the downloads folder is also one click away
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is it a big issue for users to spend 5 seconds longer to do it?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: isn't one of the left of the browse window, downloads is NOT one click away
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs in response to Redryn's question.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they're spending less time, he's just pretending that they're spending 5 seconds longer :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it is on my windows, *shrug
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: thought that was a default windows 7 thing, cause i didn't put it there
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm on W7
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're not in the add plugin window
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: in certain settigs it is, in others its not
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, i'm not, i don't have mush installed
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then don't tell me what is where, thankyouverymuch
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but i assume it just uses a default browse window?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I wouldn't assume that
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why would nick write his own browse window when he can just call the windows api?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's more than one browse window in the windows api, actually
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is no one universal browse window
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, why wouldn't he use the one with more features? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he's using the one that his IDE uses
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ok, you know what, forget i even asked
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: same reason his opensource program can't be compiled for other OSes
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: my clan can just add their own damn portals
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods at The Reaper Myrkul.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i don't need to provide anything
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you could use the io library and os.filepicker to read from a text file and excute
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's true
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: f the clan, bro
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: btw, all this came about because your mapper database design is flawed, fiendish :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it won't map -1 uid rooms, so no one can use closed clan exits
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I didn't design the database initially. I've just improved it.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: feel free to suggest code amendments to handle your closed clan exits scenario
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't have closed clan exits
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, gmcp isn't sent in closed clan halls
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you just said -1
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ok, it's sent, but the values are blank, or -1
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: -1 means a maze room. if you don't like that it gets used in clan halls, complain to lasher
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: num=-1|name=****** Entering the Brain ******'|zone=twinlobe|terrain|details|exits|coord="id=-1|x=-1|y=-1"
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: please ask lasher to send room values for twinlobe thnx!
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i've done that already :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but that's not the point
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i suggest not using the room uid as your primary key, so -1 rooms can be mapped
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you want non-unique keys? hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, make a different primary key :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: like what?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you just need an autonumber field
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish whistles appreciatively.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what do you mean, like what? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how does that do anything good?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: whether or not it's primary key wouldn't make it mappable...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: something that's not at all relevant, will never be used, but will allow -1 vnum rooms to be added to the database
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: because primary keys need to be unique and -1 in multipe rooms is not
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: invent numbers...when an area is replaced, I add leading digits to take them out of range but keep them in database (not MUSHclient's database)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can't just invent numbers for rooms. the mapper will never know what room to update
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, the numbers don't need to be invented, the rooms do have uids...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: allow us to edit vnums from the mapper, and not have to load up the sql browser :p
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mapper wouldn't be updating them anyway
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't have access to the UIDs (leaving rstat out)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but if you expect everyone who wants to use closed clan exits to learn sql so they can add the rooms manually...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so the mapper knowing where you are isn't relevant
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why leaving rstat out? that's the only way i have access to them...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Just don't insert a row (or exit) when the vnum is -1.  Or make up a number.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and i don't mind providing them to the clan
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because they're not important
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a unique number is important, a UID that you won't get from GMCP isn't
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: because adding functionality for an 'official' plugin that only like 5% of the mud has access to isn't a great idea?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but abelinc, if the room was in the database, you could trigger on the room name to set your current position there
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and that's what you'll do for your maze rooms, which are all the same name?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Right, because everyone knows there aren't duplicate room names...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, that's what i'll do for crecall and for the area exits room
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: those are the only two that are important to the mapper
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you want the mapper to make an entry for every maze room?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, it already does i assume?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I dunno. I'd have to check.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, it can't tell one maze room from another, so every time you go through (or even look in) a maze room, you'd be populating
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: uids are sent in maze rooms, just not exits
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah.. that's how i get thru the gauntlet.. increasiing UIDS
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for regular mazes, yes...not cmazes
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so only no-map rooms have -1?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nomap rooms and closed clan halls
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and you want to map nomap rooms?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i want the mapper to be able to use my closed clan exits
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which means mapping nomap rooms
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i don't care about nomap rooms, that's all i want
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: sure, if it does that as a side effect, i have no problem with it
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he wants to be able to map unique-named nomap rooms...making up out-of-range UIDs (or using the real ones) will let that happen
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see. does your clan room show exits?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mapper needs to know how to get from one (known) place to where you want to go...it doesn't need to be able to track where you are when you enter dark territory, as long as it has made the path, really
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nope, i pasted a full gmcp line to you before
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, not even -1 exits
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so you want to have a special case for -1 uid with no exits that generates a fake number based on the name?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that could work...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i have a question for you, though
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I may or may not have an answer.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: can i set my current position in a trigger?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: setposition <vnum>
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and the mapper will think you're in that room
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: (without gmcp for that room being received, obviously)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm. not yet, but I could add it if you request that feature. there's been no utility for that because the mapper doesn't currently map rooms that don't get proper gmcp data
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it would be very simple to add
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod...but say i manually add two rooms to the database, it would be feasible to trigger off a room name to set my position to them?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't see why not
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: assuming the names are unique
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's probably the best way to go, then...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, they should be
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you might not want to do it on the name, since they aren't always unique in and of themselves.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: they're definitely unique within the area, and gmcp still sends zone in clan rooms
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: right, but you don't necessarily want to reinvent this wheel for every area
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i don't need to, dokkar
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: The issue is just closed clan rooms, Dokkar - everywhere else sends the room uid in the GMCP data.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's just for closed clan halls, gmcp isn't sent in them
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not everywhere
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are nomap rooms
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: or rather, it's sent, but all the values are blank/-1
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Ah, sorry - over-generalized
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is there a reason why your clan hall rooms can't not have -1 uids?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cause it would life rather easier for raiders :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: find me a room outside of your clan hall that behaves like this so that I can test easily
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: living mines entrance
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i did post a note to lasher about adding a sendgmcp flag that could be set on the two rooms in question, he hasn't answered yet
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: being that you're still getting a GMCP string for those rooms, why couldn't the mapper just create the room in the first place?  If you're getting the GMCP, you should be able to detect the advent of a known series of lines
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: because the uid is -1, and the mush mapper ignores it
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: can a user override the mapper, then?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not easily
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's what we're talking about, i can write a plugin to manually add the two rooms easily, but i still need a way to set the current location to them when you enter the room
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: surely someone in your clans knows how to script and could have come up with a patch for the plugin by now :)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: anyway, I'm looking into it
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cool, thanks for the help :)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's all a matter of drive, Fiendish
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I'm glad this convo took place...gave me some thoughts on something to do with my room database :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ugh...what's the google code site with the aardwolf client?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: finger fiendish
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's not there anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's listed under that site
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: He has a link to it on his not-porn site.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, k, got it
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ok...which of these files is the mapper database?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the database is not the problem
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the plugin doesn't handle -1 the way you want
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which I'm working on now
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i just need the database structure :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: found it, anyway
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Aardwolf.db then
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but make sure you load it once first, because the plugin actually does a few structural changes
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: only on the first run
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I left the file at an older version (I think) because the updates made it larger and I didn't want to increase the download size
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, k
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just launching the client is enough? i don't have to log in?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: correct
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: why my mapper portals dosent works?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i have an alias called ardp witch hold aard portal and enter in it
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: when i use mapper portal ardp
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: and try to use the portal created...it dosent work
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you put a level lock on it?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what level?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: 1
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how do you know it's not working?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: mapper portals and i click on it
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what happens if you do mapper goto 26151?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: hold aard
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: from all my alias it only takes hold aard...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: did you map it standing at the portal destination room?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sounds like your alias is wrong then
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i map it on the portal destionation room
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: the alias works fine when i calling it normal
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: my alias is called ardp
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: when i type ardp it take me correct
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what is the send_to field set to on your alias?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: send_to field?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: never mind. it shouldn't matter
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: world
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hold on
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just made a portal with an alias level locked at 1 and it works for me?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: for me all portals dosent works
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i just upgrade my mush
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: on last version everything works fine
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: It looks to me like you haven't upgraded properly
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what happens if you type checkversion?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: You are currently using Aardwolf MUSHclient Package version: r397
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's bizarre
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you copy over your old changes file or something?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i download that mushclient...and i only copy my older db
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: apparently not, because r397 is from a very old release
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but you have the new command
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so you've done...something weird
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i dont understand...i was doing my portals again..and the same
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: why when i click on portals or use mapper goto vnum it only take hold aard...or hold plan
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how is your alias written?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: get 129049440 lug wear 129049440 enter dual ura put 129049440 lug
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: did you uninstall old mush files before installing the updated version ?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: my old mush is on a stick
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: my new mush is on my hdd
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: so then u have a back up on that then ?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: yes :)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not sure what to say. This r397 thing means something is weird with your upgrade.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: well then u should be fine :p just remove mush competely from computer dl right file and start over then export aliases from  stick?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i just did that :)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: heh how did you export your settings from old mush ?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i imported them from the new mush
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: somethin funky goin down then :p
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: where are this portals stored?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: has anyone written a mush function to add the %c to a game prompt... before i write one?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: Lasher did
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: orly?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: though technically it's not part of mush so much as gameside
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bast did
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's a command?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bast has a plugin for it
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: Lasher made the change so that %c is applied after any promptflags
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: all that needs to happen is that the user has to add %c to their PROMPT/BROMPT config settings
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah i know.. but explaining it can very very tiresome... i need it fixed..  and after a promptflag doesn't look liekit'll help if they don't have any on
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ask bast about his command
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: fiendish hwat was bast's function to fix iti.. do you know?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ok.. np
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, it's not exactly complex...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just need to read it from the config command
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: %c will work as a carriage return regardless of the promptflags setting.  What lasher changed was that if promptflags occurred those flags would appear before the %c defined in the prompt config
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: its not hard, but i don't want to spend the effort if there is one alreayd.. too many other things to write
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: dokkar - ok... well i'll look at bst's code
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: why?  To explain it all you need to say is type CONFIG, copy the stuff you see after Your game prompt is  :, then type PROMPT ,paste what you just copied, put %c at the end, and press enter. 
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: is there a way to show that with color codes in it?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: nm, found it
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if you mean across aardwolf channels, just double up the @.  This will force Aard to display the @ instead of attempting the colorcode code.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: I meant show my prompt with the color codes
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: so I just need to type rawcolors then type config
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle kisses Chimeishio.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you rock
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: can you not capture it with the ansi codes in mush?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: then convert those to mud color codes?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: I dunno, I'm still on cmud
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's probably better to do your coloring clientside, not only to help with bandwidth issues per help newprompt (which might not be applicable anymore?) but so you're not sending a bunch of colorcodes that someone else might not even use
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah, well that's how you should do it in cmud, chimeishio :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: plus, you can get around the 5 colorcode limit built into the prompt commands
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: bast's function is in fix.xml
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: erm, i don't think you understand what his plugin does, dokkar...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it reads the prompt from the config command, and tacks on a %c
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: I should probably update my prompt, have a window for most of the stuff now anyways
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I don't even use a prompt anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if the person using it had colors in their prompt, they'd probably be pissed if the plugin set it to all white. likewise, you can't write a trigger to color the prompt clientside, cause not everyone uses the same prompt
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so back to this mapper business
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yep
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dokkar politely indicates for Fiendish to continue.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: never mind
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i thought maybe i can hack around it by emulating some of the funcitonality in got_gmcp_room() and setting the current room in the gmcp_mapepr plugin when it matched the room title.. but there is no SEtPluginVariable funciton i can see
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: so i'm outta ideas for an external patch
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Nick is very much against cross plugin interaction in that way
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and a good thing too.. it'd be a horrible hack
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: eh, I wish plugins had the ability to share space
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it would make many things easier
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you can call a SetFunction from another plugin, yeah?  like an interface of properties?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sure
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: but that plugin has to have that function
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i was trying to thinkk of a way to do it that wouldnt' require a clinet upgrade
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: one of the primary reasons i wrote my mapper extender plugin was that i dind't want to touch a letter of your plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't see why that should be the limitation. Just submit reasonable patches.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you need an interface, submit the interface you need and I'll put it in
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i have a helluva time persuading some people to upgrade clients
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'll chew it over and think about what'd be useful
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: every once in a while someone will come and say "I found a bug" and I'll say "You found a bug that I've already fixed. Upgrade."
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Timeghost Tech: why'd you be persuading people to upgrade? Fiendish is right - you tell them why they might want to, but it's the user  who decides
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: upgrading is so overrated, nothing in windows 98 seems that much better :)
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: should mix it up with a "So?" or "Who cares?" or "Okay, but that's a really low priority".
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I always care about bugs. I don't always care about requests for certain new features.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I mean, if you've already fixed it, does it really matter if they think you're not getting the job done?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, because people talk
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: My concern is only for the enhanced experience of the user and what the user might convey about that experience to other players who might also benefit.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: cool... now i have a "fix my prompt" command that will also preserve colour codes .. i'll post my modifications back to bast
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: took you two hours to write that? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: he probably got distracted by a GQ, quest, and/or campaign.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: thank you Dokkar.. :)  that is what happened
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul goes, "SUUUUUUUURE...."
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's cool.. I applied Chime's idea about rawcolor to bast's plugin and made it standalone..
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can't just capture ansi codes in mush?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: myrkul, that'd be totally silly
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm screen-scraping from teh config command
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ...why, abelinc?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the MUD gives you what it wants to receive, going through a convert and then deconvert is silly
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I usually have a webcam pointed at my screen - then I use take a snap shot and run it through an OCR.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the mud doesn't give you what it wants to receive if you don't have rawcolors mode on...
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so turn it on?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but rawcolors exists exactly for this purpose
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we're not interested in ANSI codes, we're interested in the @codes to type back to the MUD in the prompt command
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, it seems like an extra step for nothing
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's the exact opposite of an extra step
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: would you like to see how i would do it in cmud, without ever touching rawcolors setting?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: can't you just look that up clientside?  You've only got either 16 or 255 choices
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cmud auto-converts your paste to aard @codes
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: who said anything about pasting?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's only if you have color syntax turned on, Abe
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dokkar, why look up clientside what the MUD sends you directly in the very format you want it in?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: instead, you suggest asking for it in a totally different format, only to convert into the format that you want-but-didn't-ask-for
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you don't need really to use rawcolors. the aardwolf mushclient package does have functions for converting style runs to aardwolf color codes
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there you go, that's all i was asking
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but there's no reason why rawcolors can't be used
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i didn't say there was
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: because I hate spam.  If I can do it clientside, there's no need for me to generate multiple commands.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: all i asked was 'is there a way for mush to capture ansi codes', you made it into a big deal
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient doesn't really use inline ansi codes
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it uses style run tables
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, the mud sends ansi codes, whether mush likes it or not :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: any captured colorized text in mushclient will be in a table format, not a string with embedded escape sequences
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what the mud sends is technically unimportant
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: how it's organized is unimportant.  The client is always going to need to know when to change colors, and by extension the user will want to be able to access this info.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so who's using the aardwolf mushclient in a closed clan and wants to be able to use clan exits?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: noes. force us to use telnet! telnet is teh *$#"$%"$
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it'll be possible next reboot (probably), fiendish
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: you can just set portals to use your clan transporter and run to the exit
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what will?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what you just said
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean I put that effort into changing the plugin for nothing?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, i did tell you i posted a note to lasher asking for a sendgmcp flag for clan halls :P
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: it'd be cool if it were automatic, but it's easily worked around
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then I guess I won't ask people to test just yet
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'll still be useful to have, fiendish
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what he posted was for a flag that clans can put onto particular closed rooms to make them no longer hidden
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all the other rooms could still be helped
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maaaybe
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's still this weird consistency problem that exits don't get sent, even though you can clearly see the exits
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but i've made it so that -1 no exit rooms get stored as nomap_<roomname>_area
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so you can set cexits and portals to them
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: oo, that'd be useful in other applications
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not sure what will happen if multiple rooms have the same name in the same area
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which does exist in, for example, living mines
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, that's what is stored in the UID field? it's not numeric-only?
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the uid does not have to be numeric. portals are handled by having a "*" uid
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which just has special exits to anywhere you want
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Did you hear? Bethesda is suing Aardwolf because it has scrolls.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Advise them to buy keyboards. The more scroll locks they have, the safer their scrolls will be.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: they sued Logitech becasue it's mice have scroll wheels
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: is there a way to get the id of a whole bunch of items while they in a bag? trying to set up an alias to switch out my sets from my aard bag and would rather do it by id
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: invdata
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: err both eqdata and invdata dont display anything
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read the help file
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Anyone know how to change the selected-text background in the newest version of the aardmush communication window?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: As I'm having trouble seeing this new less-bright colour :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: SnazzyPants peers around herself intently.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnazzyPants Tech: i broke my internet. (i'm using an internet cafe right now).
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnazzyPants Tech: i use 64bit vista and it stopped working after i tried to install civ4/bts
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: SnazzyPants sniffs sadly.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I see lots of stuff like {affon}235,600
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Shouldn't the client be capturing those and hiding them from me?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Can I lower the time it takes for me to become clientside afk?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Clientside?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: eh? just walk away from your computer? :p
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: What are you using to set afk???
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: MUSHclient or some plugin makes me client-side AFK :P
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'd probably find that out...
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I sometimes play at work since there's occasions with nothing to do there
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: But when I don't I just tab out and the spellups continue :E
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I go low on mana!
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So?  What reason would you need to lower it?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So just type afk before you tab out...
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: No time to do that! it can be hectic at work!
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You could also sleep, or disable the spellup plugin, or sit in a room that has high regen for mana...
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Heh.  You could sleep a tick and regen all your mana.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If you don't have time to type afk, you probably shouldn't be on at all... but perhaps an afk macro would suit you
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I have 27 spells, and I don't run out of  mana. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Found it, AFK_Timer.xml
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: It was marked as hidden for some reason
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If it's hidden, maybe it needs to stay hidden. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: {invmon}7,619891762,-1,-1
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: fresh download of the aardwolf client
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Not a client thing, but an aard thing
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: look at help tags and help invmon
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: wonder how that gotturned on... oh well thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: How do I use bast's spellup plugin? I did a bsp sadd all, but they're not being cast :(
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Ah there we go, I did a refresh and it cast one of the spells
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: how can i remove all tags like {spellheaders affected nomprompt} {/spellheaders} or {/considers} etc...?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: help tags
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i have al my tags off why i still get {spellheaders} {/spellheaders} tag?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: for slist?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: did you type slist?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i guess there are always tags with slist
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: no...i typed it now..and is kind the same what i get
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: there's absolutely no usage for slist except to be captured by a script, so it includes tags by default
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: where else did you see it?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: {spellheaders affected noprompt} and a list of spells and {/spellheaders}
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: and i get after a scan {stopscan}
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Have you disabled triggers, while note writing for example, and forgot to re-enable them perhaps?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: and when you type tags everything is off?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: nope..i dont disable triggers...and yes in tags everything is off
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: anyone know how to insert a youtube video into a powerpoint?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Copy&Paste?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You'll have to download it somehow (there are Firefox extensions for that, for example)
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Then recode into format edible by PowerPoint (mencoder might help)
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siegfoult Tech: is there a way to simply embed?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ... and then simply embed.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Interesting...
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hardware firm Smart Modular Technologies just announced a brand new line of solid state disk (SSD) drives that the company claims will not only achieve speeds of up to 1000MB/sec read and 500MB/sec write but will also range in size from 200GB to 1.6TB. No word on pricing or availability just yet. Smart says that the drives will be "cost effective". 
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I want a one of the 1.6 TB as a flashdrive.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: nice
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: for PCs, or for special-application devices like phones?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: PCs...
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: How do you search through the history of a channel, looking for a specific word?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ctrl-f
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: They could be used in phones too I would guess.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: channel -h <word>
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: so, imm -h 50 blood, would search for the last 50 imm chats with blood in em?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You can't specify lines AND numbers.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I don't think you can combo lines and query
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: it's an either or, not an and
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: so just to look for a word, imm -h blood, ?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But imm -h blood will show all lines in history with 'blood' in it.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: can you not query the info channel?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: No, info disregards queries
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: QQ, thanks again.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: would be nice if we could, though.  I mean, you could do something like channelname -h channelname and it'd just list the entire history just like channelname -h.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You raise your eyebrow at Hanslanda.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you mean info type?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I was responding to Cheez's comment.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I know, it still doesn't make sense :P
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Your comment makes no sense in regards to mine...
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: channelname -h channelname wouldn't filter anything out
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so it'd be redundant and unnecessary, and even duplicated ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and for the SSD drives and phones...they could only be used in phones if you had a 1980s phone ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Though its only purpose would be to store 7 billion contacts... :p
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Or 1 million songs.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Don't recall if you were able to play songs on phones back in the 90s.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: midi, baby!
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli grins evilly.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Would be interesting if Lasher could get his hands on one of those, though.  While it won't lower overhead, if it can write/read that much faster...
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, now that we're on new hardware, he prolly should try the ssd again...he did put half the stuff on ssd a while back but there was some firmware bug or something that didn't let it work optimally
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: they make specialized items now for things like hospital electronics.  Someone relatively recently announced a breakthrough where they could make a memory chip act like a hard drive in terms of storage ability, effectively combining HD and memory into one really tiny piece of hardware
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, dunno why that'd be considered a breakthrough...we've been using them for that for decades
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: has to do with the way they work internally.  You can unplug a HD and it's still going to retain its information, whereas a RAM stick will lose it
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: depends on the type of ram stick
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: normal dram will lose it, plenty of types of memory that don't need to remain powered to store
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the breakthrough was that the device could work in both modes, taking advantage of each type's specific pros (ie, a multi-TB HDD could double as a multi-TB memory stick while plugged in, making slow HDD writes as fast as RAM writes)
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, (1) you didn't understand what was written, (2) the columnist didn't understand what was being said, or (3) they lied ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: too much standard stuff is proclaimed to be breakthrough when it's just new use for something that's been around forever
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's nothing special about hospital electronics...putting an SSD or a SD card into it isn't a breakthrough, it's merely about time
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: do you know a site when there are speed benchmarks for different phones for comparison
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zane Tech: what mud client will work on iphone 2g?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: anyone know how to call the url command with lua in cmud?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: nope.. sorry
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: should be zs.url("url here")
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: didn't test though
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: yeah doesn't seem to work
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: parts of it wouldn't be available to the lua engine anyways.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: strange...zs.url("http://www.google.com/") just worked fine for me, off the command line
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: does the #url command work normally, in zscript?
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ahh im using zs.url("http://www.google.com").Get
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: must be the get method that doesn't work
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: thanks for the help
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: anyone using the latest aard client with the latest bast stuff? keep getting errors with basts goodies when i try load them
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I use the latest as of 24hrs ago, no major hiccups
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm not.. but can you be more specific on the errors?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: reverted back to my old setup. lemme quit and come back in on the new lot and can give the message
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You can disconnect if you don't want to lose keys, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or drop them in a secluded corner
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: .. in a bag
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FnAqBroke Virigoth Tech: down by the river...
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a motivational speaker?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Where you dipsose of your kittens?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: dispose, even
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: right whenever i try add one of the miniwindows i get an error with this in it ""attempt to index local 'stmt' (a nil value)""
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Do you have the broadcast plugins loaded?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: OK, that's something that wasn't initialized in bast's database
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: that comes up on the broadcasts skillsspells plugin as i open mush
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: basically just downloaded latest of both, extracted new mush and then dropped basts one in and added all the broadcasts then the ones i wanted
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: and then one last question. with mush what was the fix for maximise not being full screen again?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that should have been fixed by a recent update
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but it's to unmaximize, drag the window to fill the screen, then close mushclient, then open it and maximize
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it was a problem in the default prefs that should be fixed
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: yeah mines about 2 milllimeters from top and going about the same ammount over on botom. lemme try fix
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: can't stay around. if there's still a problem, leave me a note
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: perfect thanks fiendish worked like a charm
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: can you put 2 (\w*) style variables in a trigger?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: should i use (\w*) and (\y*) ?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: \w means word character
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it isn't a variable letter
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: bad verbage, my fault
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the () are what makes it a capture
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: second () will be %2, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: so two word captures
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: sweet
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: i'm trying to setup a "continue hunt" trigger, i thought i had it figured out, but still cannot make it work
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: i know i'll have to make multiples, but if i could get a sample for one hunt response, on mushclient btw
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if your'e doing it for the practice, then by all means do it, but do know that every client has an auto-hunt script already written
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: plugin or something
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ehnsomnyak, the top plugin alphabetically in bast's folder is an autohunt
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ninjakid Tech: is there a client to aard for blackberry
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bbssh works for it
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Anyone know of a non-*nix editor that can handle xterm colour codes?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Gvim?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: (not sure)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I have no idea if Vim or Emacs can handle xterm colour codes, but both run on all platforms I've heard of.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'm after a playground for my manor pre-upgrade request, and notes are...unwieldy
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Aarrgh - why is there no decent brown in xterm!
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: You'll just have to use an indecent brown, then.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: read: orange :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: who can reccommend a manufacturer of headphones that isn't crap?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or alternatively one that has a lifetime warranty
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Bose or Senheiser
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: can they be rewired?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: hey guys.. I just pulled out the bunch of usb pins connected to the motherboad. Its the first time ive opened it and i bought it second hand so i dont have the motherboards manual PLEASE HELP!
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: help with....?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: download them?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: no, i need help to put back the pins i the correct order. or reffer me to a source that can help me do so
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: download the manual, job done
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: so this manual will give me exactly what i need?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you won't know until you look
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: all motherboard manuals have pin-out diagrams
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: except maybe Apple
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: wow.. how do i identify my motherboard
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: look at it
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cpuid.com%2Fsoftwares%2Fpc-wizard.html&ei=180-TuvEO8un8QOgvqHqAg&usg=AFQjCNGCNob6di0m698s8abmHRW55jriYQ
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: use that
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: thanks! ill go check it out
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: in a trigger, is there a way to add last command entered to a return string?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in what client?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Client?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: mush
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: aardclient if that matters
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: GetInfo(87)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: remember that last command entered is not the command that produced the output you're triggering on...
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not necessarily, anyway
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you may want to say what you're actually trying to do so we can suggest a more realistic alternative
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: i'm trying to work on hunt triggers
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: since some mobs have multiple names, and respond to different ones
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I fail to see how you'd need the last command entered for a hunt trigger.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: i'm trying to feed the direction and hunt whatever i typed last
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: If you were setting a variable for the mob's name, that i could see.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: instead when you isue yoru first hunt command.. log your mob name in a varible...
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you alias the start auhunt foo...then you have foo as your target...
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although we did mention some autohunt scripts already made when you were asking about this yesterday ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie autohunts Abelinc...... .......
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: we can only assume at this point you're making one to see if you can do it?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: i'll just keep quite, and keep digging.  just killing time between quests
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: thanks though
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no need to keep quiet, your question taught you a couple things already :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: it has, i got the triggers working for the most part
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: some just hunt %1 when %2 is what is needed
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have them hunt %hunt_target
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and not %1 or %2
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's what we're saying
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: alias ahunt * to set hunt_target
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and don't forget triggers on bumping into doors to try opening door...triggers on can't open because of locked to try pick/etc ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: good point
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: otherwise you'll keep hunting and trying to walk through the door forever without ever reaching target
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: *nod*
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but a good start is to look at the autohunt in bast's folder to see how it does it
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: and theres the door, lol
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: i've got the trigger sending to command, to keep from spamming though
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sending to input line?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hehe, you're a lot more patient than I am :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: is an ht2000 the name of a motherboard?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: didja try googling "ht2000"?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ht2000 apparently is an ECS MCP61SM-AM REV1.0a motherboard
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: seeing as how the very first hit is titled "Acer HT2000 motherboard drivers", I'd be inclined to think so
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: took a good thirty minutes, but thanks abelinc
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: problem solved
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: no i didnt but theres gona alot of nonsense that id
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You cheer Ehnsomnyak on and wish him good luck!
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: does it look like this: http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_Detail.aspx?DetailID=1006&CategoryID=1&MenuID=19&LanID=8
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wow, that's colorful :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: looks suitably basic and horridly made
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i am having a problem trying to get an array of data from one plugin to another
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why did Apple decide that the Macbook Pro didn't need a # key?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i use serialize.save to turn it into...
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: List = {}  List[1] = {}    List[1].area = "canyon"    List[1].areaName = "Canyon Memorial Hospital"
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: yes it is a crap board
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and then i'm trying to activate it on the receiving end with assert(loadstring(text))
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a # key? I don't have a single keyboard with a # key, just a 3 key
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: but the variable i've declared as a local isn't receiving the data
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: any help?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i guess not.. i have stumped the mighty tech channel! 10 quest points awarded!
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: the answer is 42
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you didn't stump us, we're just choosing not to answer.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: a likely story
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: much better than saying the internet ate my chatter.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I think today's also the last day for the back-to-school tax holiday, so most are probably out getting school supplies on the cheap.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}El Gringo Asterax Tech: Anyone decent at photoshop?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Decently so.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for the 12th time, NO, I won't make you look like Justin Bieber!
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: does this count?   (.)(.)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I used to be good at photoshop, until I had to format.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: is there a way to use "macro keys" namely <ctrl - r> in a trigger?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: With aliases
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have the trigger do what the macro does...
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm, like how? you can send the command that the macro sends in the trigger
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: more specifically, have both do a central thing, so you can change that
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mushclient helps for macros suggest how to have them do complex stuff using aliases
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you are looking for Accelerator()
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}El Gringo Asterax Tech: Hmm anyone else decent at Photoshop?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}El Gringo Asterax Tech: I asked Cheez, but I still have a question.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: any suggestions for a case to use with sli evga geforce gtx 580 fermi liquid cooled?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: single loop for 2 vga cards and another loop for cpu and maybe mobo bridges
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Can anyone who is knowledgeable about zMUD scripting send me a tell, please? :)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you don't need a tell
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ask here
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's much better to ask here, seriously.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: cmon pplz i dont buy that nobody here makes some watercooled rigs >_>
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Only reason people ask for tells is because they're doing something bot-like and don't want everyone to know.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: alright. Well, I'm trying to use an AutoHunt script from Atreidess's page, and, upon installing it (via command prompt) I went to Goblin Fortress to test it out, and, it doesn't work. 
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I don't.  I tried it once and the thing sprung a leak, ruining everything
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: And I'm using zMUD 7.21
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I think some of the hunt messages changed, though I could be wrong.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Where did you get the script from?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: han should have ran a leak test for a day or just blatantly used nonconductive liquid
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Atreidess' webpage
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I did, it happened later
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: -_-
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I have a mineral oil computer, does that count?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: finger Atreidess - his webpage is there, then I clicked on zMUD scripts, and AutoHunt 1.1
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: fool read ftalk -_-
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli has it on his webpage as well.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Though it's not readily listed in finger.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: that's true.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Try importing the file instead? Or just check the triggers
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Would it override what it installed from the command prompt by default?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: When importing ^
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Just delete the class folder
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Check the triggers against the autohunt triggers.  Make sure the lines are matching.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Alright, thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Atreidess doesn't update his scripts, so it's possible the hunt message changed vs what he used before.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: That's true, too.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in ZMud, everything done via import or the command line is expanded and interpreted.  You need to go back through the script looking for variable references and the like. Things like #trigger {@target is east of here.} {} would expand the @target into whatever its value was.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Going to have input my own trigger. Wish me luck. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Honestly, Gunshin, you just need to go to Settings -> Import -> Ascii and select the text file.  That'll install it correctly.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: You should do that with every script you download
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Dantin.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: unless told otherwise
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Looking over the script, it doesn't appear any different than what I have.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: no, it expands that, too.  Also, some things (specifically #VARIABLE and #FUNCTION) are automatically changed by ZMud because of internal coding issues.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So right out the box, it should work.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hanslanda, I've been working with zMUD and CMUD for years.  It's the proper way to install scripts, and most preferred way.  In fact, Atreidess generall states to install it that way.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Yeah, it's not working.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I never said it wasn't.  Doing just that, though, is still going to introduce problems due to automatic expansion and interpretation.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: I think it was made for another MUD, and I'm having trouble messing with it.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Lol
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: No, it was made specifically for this mud.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gunshin blinks innocently at Ebullient Etzli.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Well, I suck.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: And Hanslanda, it doesn't automatically expand...
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you need to go looking over what was just imported to make sure the script was imported correctly.  Once that is established, it's just a scripting logic error
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I disagree about import->ascii being "the proper way to install scripts"
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: for ZMud, it is.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not really
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: I imported > Text.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you do that then you can't have things happen at install time
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: all of my scripts should be installed by Actions->Execute Script
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You were told to import ascii. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: I'll try that then. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: And Fiendish: Things still execute at install time using Ascii...
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: still doesn't work. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: For a lot of my scripts, I put an auto-help message at the end, and had people install Ascii.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are a number of specific functions that won't work that way
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hmm.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's a reason why I have a warning on all of my zmud script pages
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if ww3 started tomorrow, what nation's would be on what side of the war?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Nope. Still no good with ASCII.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how is that a tech question, druzil?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Sheesh. Should I load up TeamViewer or something?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i can't r read mis, but r is t3h social welfare bloater
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Gunshin, did you try the Actions -> Execute script like Fiendish suggested?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's not the reason why it isn't working
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Still nothing.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli sighs.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: has the idea already been rejected that the strings have changed since atreidess wrote the script?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I've verified the strings have not changed.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: It hasn't. and I've put the strings I'm getting in there, with the same commands.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does your prompt end in %c?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You don't happen to have an alias of 'hunt' already, do you?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: You are certain that * is (%w) from here.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Negative.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Gunshin, try doing #SAY You are certain that a mob is west of here.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If it fires correctly, then Fiendish is right - your prompt doesn't end in %c
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Er, from here, not of here.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Nothing, still. Good suggestion though.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: One silly word was all it was.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: In the hunt text?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: In the hunt trigger.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Heh
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: "You are almost certain" is one word different than "You are certain" :p
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Lame :P
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: that's probably likely because Atrei built it when he was already fully trained.  Lots of skills here have graded levels of messaging to reflect skill level.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That's the 100% message.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It used to be almost certain, it was changed, though.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I seem to recall a search and destroy plugin that has all the messages for autohunt included
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Winklewinkle's plugin for MUSHclient.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Yes, forgot his name for a second.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I have not played with that plugin much.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've heard it rocks
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I've heard it's all gravel.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Depends on what the application and your needs.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: heheh
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: It might cause Etzli to move to MUSHclient!
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: actually my autohunt wont' work if your skill is 75% or less.. but the hunt trick has all the hunt messages in it i think
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: help hunt trick
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: as soon as I get hunt again i'm fixing it to work for 75%
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: how do i escape a " in cmud scripting?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: ~"?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: didn't seem to work
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Does it do html escpe? (&quot;)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: depends on the application.  Usually, though, you surround it quotes (ie " = """)
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: the default escape char in cmud is ~
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inferno Tech: unless it was changed in the preferences
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: meh
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: fyi, the only way it seems to work is if you use {~"}
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: as I said, Menace, it depends on the application you're trying to use the " in.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: url encoding with 
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: %replace
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: so basically you're doing %replace(stuff,"stuff to look for","stuff to replace it with"), right?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: kind of. it works now.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: hmm how do you setup aard so you can use multi-task alias's
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: uswe 2x ; in a row to seperate the command lines.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: or do it client side
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: no i put a comma after the other command will it start a new command chain?
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: now
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: need apostrophe's in a row to seperate command lines
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: 2x
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: yes i mean after first double command, if i put a comma will it let me start a new command chain
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Not sure how many commands you do can do gameside, client side unlimited.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Anyone knowledgeable about DROID devices (Galaxy S, specifically) present?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: these aren't the droids you are looking for *waves hand*
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Lol.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: there's no pleasing some :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Well, I had wanted to know if there's an app around, that may be able to let me edit the battery, signal, WiFi, things in the top bar there.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you'd probably have to change the theme or something
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Yeah, but I can't find as much options. I'm rocking an Epic 4G.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: With Truly EPIC Rebirth ROM, if that helps any.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'm not highly knowledgeable about them, but from my experience with the international galaxy s, you can't change stuff there except by flashing a different theme
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: depends on what you're trying to do anyway
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: So, are Galaxy S themes for all, if not most, of their phones? Do ROMs even matter in that case? (I know I can't flash themes with stock, lol.)
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i don't think they're interchangeable
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: should ask the creator of a theme, they'd probably know better :p
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what are you trying to do anyway
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=717
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Well, I feel like messing around with my Epic, and I'm always switching to different ROMs, like, once or twice a week (including previous ROMs I've already used.) I figured I wasn't satisfied with how it looked. I'm hoping I can find a good theme for it, and maybe even the new Market.apk app. But I don't know what phones are able to get that.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: you will find any theme,kernal or rom you want at that link i posted :P
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Thank you!
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Trying to give support to clannie.  In MUSH, outside of having the "Enable Triggers" checked in config, any reason why script triggers wouldn't be capturing?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Something else is trigger off the text first?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Hmm, would have to be a very malicious capture all trigger somewhere.. from the looks of the logs many different scripts aren't capturing.  Mostly missing tags and such..
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: does anyone know how to get the current time and then send that to a variable in MushClient?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: os.time()
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that's in seconds
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, then divide?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: when using send to variable.. is there a way to get it to actually send the value of that function call rather than treating that call as a string and just saving that to the variable?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: I have expand variables checked.. but that's not really changing anything
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: expand variables just evaluates all @variable into the value that it has.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: ahh.. I see.. so how do I send that value to be saved in a variable?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: the os.time() value
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: SetVariable("Time", os.time())
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: and I send that to World?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no, you send that to script
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yajan Tech: ahh, sweet
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Abelinc, why are you using a named /def instead of a /hook on event GMCP in your telopt.tf?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: always use a named /def
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Why?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: better programming practice, won't end up with zillions of duplicate functions
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all /hook does is make a named /def that you don't know the name of
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Aha, logical! Thanks :) Writing some tutorial how to set up the GMCP stuff in wf with you scripts, mainly to teach myself :)
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's two syntaxes for the same thing, but redefinitions only happen with named def...without a name, you're duplicating with a new name
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Superb.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: quick test of that, do /hook MAIL = /echo mail, then up arrow enter a few times, then do /list -h and you'll see it multiple times with different macro numbers...if you did it as /def -h"MAIL" mailhook = /echo mail, each subsequent time you try to define it it'll just redefine it (identically)
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sathre Tech: Yep tested it before. And on top of that, the /hook runs through the defined hooks and chooses one based on a priority. /def is def better :).
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dominion's Logo Tech: anyone know about jailbreaking the iphone 3gs, i dont have one but i know its possible to just go off the wifi instead of a data plan...i wanna know if its good/bad?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: jailbreaking sounds bad
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dominion's Logo Tech: technically it is but we don't know each other :)
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Farkyss: That is Jailbait.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's an iphone, you made the 'lifestyle choice', you live with it
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dominion's Logo Tech: i haven't bought one, i am just curious
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com has one I think.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: anyone use SQLite Administrator?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i use the plugin one for FireFox
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiDo Tech: nopes, sorry
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Well these days I start on tech channel - can't hurt :)  Sorry wish I knew the problem, but haven't installed anything like it.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth clears his throat loudly and looks around.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: SnazzyPants goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnazzyPants Tech: when i try to use different programs requiring the internet it says im not connected
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnazzyPants Tech: but i am
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnazzyPants Tech: how can i fix this? i think it is a configuration issue
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: SnazzyPants peers around herself intently.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ardant Tech: Is there a site that has a QTimer script I could look at?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Client?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ardant Tech: zMUD. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ardant Tech: 7.21 if that helps.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Not sure who ahs zmud scripts hosted anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ardant Tech: Wow. Seems like no one uses it as much. :O
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what's a qtimer script?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: atreidess has a quest tracker for zmud
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: hunt down Etzli some time, he does. He got me to switch for like a month, before mushclient, before I got sick of not being able to find the windows
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: myrkul, the things that usually gtell I completed my quest in 12 seconds, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ardant Tech: Yeah, those things, Abe. :D
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: places to find zmud scripts: finger danj, finger atreidess, aardcharn.com, claninfo crimson
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ardant Tech: Thanks Abe. <3
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ardant Tech: +1 for you. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You bow deeply.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, and finger fiendish
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ardant Tech: Gotcha.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: danj is usually good with helping on his stuff...Fiendish would help if he remembered any of it, but he went to MUSHclient a long time ago & can't remember...and Atreidess is very adamant that he provides his scripts as is, don't dare ask for help directly from him on them ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ardant Tech: I'll be sure to talk to Danj sometime. :D
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: charn is now etzli, & he's always willing to help. He went to cmud, but that's still similar enough to zmud that he's still familiar with it
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: okay, learning databases is beyond confusing now.  Anyone have a good help/tutorial site beyond sqlite.org?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: w3schools
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Learn the basics of databases, and SQL, then learning sqlite is easy.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: what kind of stuff are you having trouble understanding dokkar?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: you might just want to pick up some sort of book on relational databases as a concept as opposed to learning a specific db platform ... helped me alot
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Dagfib.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: w3schools is good enough.  I use it all the time for webstuff and just never noticed the DB sections
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, I didn't realize it had sql until I was in a MS SQL class & the teacher pointed it out
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Atreidess still has his hosted on his finger, but you can find them also at aardcharn.com/Atreidess/Atreidess.html
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's etzli, get him! :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ardant Tech: Attackk!
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if I'm referencing a value like Kimr's Farm in SQL, can I just use "" instead of '' around it?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: replace("'","\'",%*)
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in CMud, how would I set a SQL field to a value using Item()?  Is it just like normal a=b assignment (var.item("fieldname") = "value")?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: then you need to post it, i believe
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: but you could just use an update sql query, i find it much easier than using cmud's sql api
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Is there a way to convert the Winkle Winkle Search and Destroy plugin, for MUSHClient, to zMUD?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, by hand
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Ask Winkle?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: don't see why not...
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the functions are fairly traight forward
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Hmm. Well, I don't know the language, but I'd like to learn. I just find the tutorials confusing.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and i've commented fairly heavily
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I know someone is converting my Spellup plugin to zMud, so it will be possible
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Okay, I'll bite. Winkle, what does the plugin do?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: nothing crazy... auto-hunt, auto hunt-trick, quick-where, where-trick
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it works best when joined with my mapper_extender  then it does some DB queries that help a lot with finding mobs
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: im having an odd problem. here's the description i can give..i am able to see all chats without any lag problems, but when i input moving(n e s w),runto's or anything else i get LOTS of lag. it starts around 7pm at night until 11 or 12. then i have no problem with lag once again..
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what client?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: Aardwolf MUSHclient (1182, happened on older ones also) im using Ubuntu 11.04 and WINE. it happens on windows also.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: someone i know had lag issues becasue of their firewall
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: make sure your firewall is open on the right port for musclient.exe
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: i am running no firewall and like i said around midnight i will have no lag issues again until 7pm or so
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: have any automated jobs running in the background?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: is it just aard that lags, or any internet browsing?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: any roomates seeding torrents?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: it messes with my wii online gaming also so it's not just the computer..is it an upload issue?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: that would be my assumption ... i'd assume you're using a wireless router?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: im only one here that is using any online equipment and i am not running any torrent clients.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: since it just happens at peak times, i'd guess it's your isp
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: oh yeah.. maybe a baby monitor messing up your wireless
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: there's more people using the internet, they just don't have enough bandwidth to keep up with the added load
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: a neighbours
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: the only thing im running is Aardwolf MUSHclient and when i have no lag i stream radio also.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: if you're using wireless, try plugging hardwire into your modem
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: OHHHH your absolutely right.. they just tore down one of the towers and are in the process of putting up another tower..i bet the load shifted over to the tower im on and not enough bandwidth
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: that thought never crossed my mind..it's only been the last 3 days it's been happening and they just tore that tower down 3 days ago or so..I used hardwired connection. i dont care for wireless
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: and between dinner and midnight is the heaviest load =/ sucks ... do they have an eta on the new tower?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: the tower that got torn down was on the old mill, which railroad found out they owned so they tore down the old mill(and isp tower) the new tower is in the process of being put together, they are about ready to stand it up.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i used to work for a wireless ISP oh the excitement
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: i pay for 768kbps but get 1.5mb so i cant complain..except for right now :c/
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: my parents have that stuff and get horrible internet 45 a month for like 1.5mbps and i get 12mbps for that
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: how long have they had their package?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: they live out of town though, its all that reaches out there
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: no choice here.. i live in the middle of cornfields.. 1.5mbs is great out here..really great
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: years
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace nods at Galindar.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: they dont either
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, if they've had it a while, there might be something better put in since.  They aren't going to call you up and offer you a better service plan for a cheaper price, after all.  They might even have just a rate reduction.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: actually they did call them up and offer them a discount now that you mention it. i think its 35 a month now
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: happened a few months ago, i forgot about it until you mentioned it lol
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: i tried out the mushclient, and switched back to zmud, how do i turn off the flags ?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tags off unless you've got some zmud scripts that use the tags (like danj's spellup), in which case you type tags to see a listing of tags to turn off one by one with tags <type> off
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: thank you
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: anyone know if CMud's SQL implementation allows for the FOREIGN KEY constraint?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: liek the built in DB?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: or SQL express?
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no, the built-in DB is unrelated to SQL.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: the built in one doesn't support foreign keys i believe. if you use a real sql db it should.
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: nope, he doesn't have a recent enough version of the dll.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: can someone help me set up telkom billion 400g internet?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: anyone know a handy app/program that lets you transfer stuff directly to an android phone wirelessly?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: doubletwist can sync your music and stuff. i dont know about files
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Software Data Cable - DROID market.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: anyone
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: I recommend using it with FileZilla.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: help
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Google helps. :D
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: if i had google i wouldnt need help
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: google gets me a lot of software, i don't know which are good :P
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Everyone has google.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Not people without access to an internet browser, or internet
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: its an wireless-g adsl router
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Just saying :P
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Don't need an internet browser to access Google.  Just internet, which Torio obviously has. ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Oh? How do you get to google then
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: <--- Internet noob
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Same way Melvin accesses information from the internet. :D
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: porn sites?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: The internet is for porn.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: lol  can someone just help
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: telnet?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Apparently no one knows, Torio, so again,  use google. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Pr0n?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Who the crap is Melvin? And he sure does know alot about the weather -_-
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli grins evilly.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gunshin snickers with Ebullient Etzli about their shared secret.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: telkom should be the same and i just wanna know where the 1 wire goes
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: From the router to your computer.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dantin sticks Ebullient Etzli in a garbage can and rolls him away!
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: no a cable that goes in a land line
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Telkom, is that a router?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Oh, the adsl router you were talking about.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ja
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You'll have one that goes to your landline, and the other is an ethernet cable that goes to your computer.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is the software data cable app supposed to work even if the phone/pc are connected to the same wireless router?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Since you probably don't know the technical terms, the smaller one goes to the landline, the bigger jack goes to the computer.  If your computer doesn't have an ethernet card, then you're out of luck.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Unless you have usb capability.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ok theres a yellow lan cable . A red 1  but i know where red goes then theres like a phone cable and some like a multi post
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: port*
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: the 1 that goes in the phone has a 3 way port 1 for the red cable and 1 for the phone cable but the 3rd 1 is a short 1 for the phone cable
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Here's a thought... read the instruction manual.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sounds like a splitter
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: didnt get 1 il put it like this yellow is ethernet cable red is dsl the the last 1 for the phone but if i plug it in 1 cable remains unpluged
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ja splitter
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is it something like a Y shape?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: na lil box but the wires make like a Y shape
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: one cable should go to your router, the other is your phone line
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: router got 4 yellow ports and 1 red so should i put the 1 cable in the  yellow
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: anyone familiar with working with foreign keys in SQL?  I'm too sure what I'm supposed to "see", but I was expecting some sort of autocomplete.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: oh ja and dsl flashing  green and red and internet red
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: please can someone just google how to set it up
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: you can't google yourself?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: if i could i would
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: you are on Aardwolf , which means you have a connection to the Internet?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cedrick Tech: heard this from a friend, its called mixit
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: mxit with cell c = free mxit
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: sucks to be you then.....
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: go call a technician? or your ISP .
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cedrick Tech: on the bright side, he trying to get connected
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ja sucks to know that all my life i thought people overseas are much kinder than s.a people turns out its not
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: nope, whole world is full of $holes lol
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: What an ignorant remark, that'll get people to help you for sure
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: from tech -h I can see that people have given you advice
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: you're just too lazy to solve your problem yourself
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: so I pointed the best solution for you: call a technician.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ja il be lazy but if i have someone ask me for help i  help sure you guys help. Technician aint a bad idea but as always south africa has strikers and technician lines dont open for a while
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: read the product manual.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: said it earlier i didnt get 1
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: then read what others have said earlier
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I can see the solution in there.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: or would you rather one of us fly over to your house and set it up for you.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i would
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: that would be so nice of you
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i mean i would rather someone ELSE do that
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: not me
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace smiles happily.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: yes i would but ja sarcasim aint my thing u help or dont il ask nicely and if no help by then i just log off
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace waves goodbye to Torio.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: lmao..too funny
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: what are you, 6?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: people help you, and you abuse it.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: if you aren't going to follow any of the advice given, its going to be difficult to help you
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Eh, I was wondering that same thing Sneak, from what I've seen him say on wang also
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: exactly.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: wang abuse is great
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: here's a thought, learn some manners and etiquette before seeking help.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: il rather be 6 then be a complete fucking jack off who doesnt give a damn shit about anyone but him self
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: that happens to be you as well, you know.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: time you log off.. no help here anymore im thinking lol
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: when your done setting up his dsl can you come over to my house and set-up my sound system 
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: so funny you say that.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: manners people
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace beams a smile at Quintosh.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: try an IRC chat channel Torio. you might find help there.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: thanks to everyone that helped and tried to and i give up from now on im not gonna care 
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you can come use my internet
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: lol hes going emo over internet
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: real funny u think emos dont play muds?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: this is comedic gold
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Sneak gives a thumbs-up to Global Menace.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: on a side note.. look up rucka rucka ali emo on youtube lol
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace pictures a teen sitting in front of his computer with make up on screaming at the computer text.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: you're wrong, he's on mxit, so he's screaming at his little nokia
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: lmao..
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: xcore
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: haha atleast i have a phone
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: log off mud,call someone who cares
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace laughs at Galindar mercilessly.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: that was a decent one
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: i would but your moms needs rest
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i wish my HSPA would go fastert
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: thats what she said!
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: this self-entitled kid who thinks he is king with his little grubby Nokia is epicly hilarious.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Sneak bows as he finishes yet another performance of the Bards.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: my phone is a cheap pay by the minute verizon phone, i think it's got 17 min on it
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: my friends got a cheap andriod phone thats pay per minute and it gets unlimited internet thats faster then mine i pay way to much for
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers with Global Menace about their shared secret.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: android will be in a world of hurt sooner or later though, with all these pending patent suits
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: uhm everyone has pending lawsuits about everything
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: YOU USED A CIRCLE IN YOU DESIGN (apple lawsuit) you have a dropdown menu! (sue)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: donno I just think it's funny Google's CLO didn't check his facts before ranting on a public domain.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Bethseda (makers of The Elder Scrolls) has a lawsuit against Majong (Minecraft) for naming their next game "Scrolls."
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: good thing they have no case
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: since the trademark is for the whole phrase
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: yes but in Google's case, especially Oracle v Google, I personally think it was evident Google knew they were infringing on patents but decided to go ahead anyway and screw paying Oracle royalties via licensing.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: so if the judge does rule in Oracle's favour (which will happen sooner or later), Google is rather screwed.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: nah, they just pay up and move on
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: there will be no end to the "paying and moving on" they'l have to do
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: the judge seems pretty reasonable i think theyll be fien
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: we'll see :)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I think the underlying issue is that in rushing Android out for free to OEMs, Google took a lot of risk and chance by not licensing things should've done.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the problem here of course is not really Google, but US software patent laws
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: patent law in general really
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: yes, but since the law is already in existence, surely players can play by the rules
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: google is practicing civil disobedience (cough)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: you can try to get the rules changed, but doesn't mean you should be breaking them while you're playing :p
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: anyone familiar with the Ascent goal?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: enough to know you should ask on question
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: wrong channel :p
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i <3 my emo mxitards
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace ducks defensively.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Sneak grins mischievously.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: man techs boring now
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: We need more porn?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: can tech handle more of that?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: where is the group chat in this android skype, can't find it
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: just seeing contacts
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Do normal MushClient scripts work like they're supposed to with Aardwolf MUD?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you should assume all scripts for aard need aard flavoured mush
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gunshin Tech: Gotcha. Thank you WinkleWinkle! :D
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: anyone suggest a free 1 on 1 chat plugin for a webpage?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: gmail?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: no idea what you're asking for, to be honest :P
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: the "chat with advisor" feature you see on many websites
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Ohtech http://www.conversionsupport.com/
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: http://www.conversionsupport.com/
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: that is one example
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: which isn't free......
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: I am not aware of any free ones, tbh. It's a very much "enterprise" level software with little or no use to most people outside of call center type deals.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: I mean, e-mail/messaging would probably work fine for any kind of personal project, I can not imagine gaining anything from using some browser based chat widget over providing a public AIM name, or whatever.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Not everybody uses AIM. Over here, it's entirely unknown.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: I mean I was using AIM as an example, you can use jabber/xmpp/IRC/whatever, there may even be java based implentations to create a temporary guest account for these services. I am just saying that Farkyss was asking for software that has a very limited use outside of large commercial settings.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: why don't I have group chat on skype for android
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Riddim, whatever chat network you pick, there'll be people who haven't heard of it... Unless you implement it in browser.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: my fav im solution - irssi + bitlbee running in a vps somewhere. always online, always available - from any computer/device
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Just tell them to make an aard char, and talk in tells!
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: So there are plenty of browser based IRC applets, for example, that I'm guessing are free due to seeing them on various websites. That would be easier to handle than to set up a chat routing/response system. I was trying to give Farkyss options outside of highly specific corporate software :P
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: irc channel!
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I've never got this bitlbee thing figured out. How does it really work? You can set it to sign in to various IM services, no?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You give a bitlbee server your login/password and it connects to MSN or whatever on your behalf, then translates the messages to IRC.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: bleh, 3 minute latency...
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yuk
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: So there are plenty of browser based IRC applets, for example, that I'm guessing are free due to seeing them on various websites. That would be easier to handle than to set up a chat routing/response system. I was trying to give Farkyss options outside of highly specific corporate software :P
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth looks puzzled, then blurts out "Oh, indeed. I once met the Queen, you know."
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I am a banana
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: funniest animation ever
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the dancing banana?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJYxCSXjhLI
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: SnazzyPants peers around herself intently.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnazzyPants Tech: some of my programs can't access the internet but others are fine :(
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnazzyPants Tech: i can't upload attachments in gmail or use internet explorer
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnazzyPants Tech: any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: SnazzyPants has just 'pfft'ed you! How disgusting!
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnazzyPants Tech: i'll get you, my pretties :D
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Snazzypants
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Try getting another browser for your pc. Download its installation package on another pc. Might help in getting access through your prowser at least
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: who has the better bot.. ninja or Redryn... we shall find out in 2-4 ticks!
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: heheh.. 
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lemontree Tech: redryn wins!
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i make joke...
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lemontree Tech: she keeds she keeds
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: i want a GTX 580, waaaah! ):
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So buy it.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've got one.. it makes aard look really sweet!
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: mmm i will buy one after i finish paying hospital bills for  the repercussion to my wallet
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: is there much difference between the i7 2600k and the i5 2500k
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i have my mushclient on a stick...and i am using it at work comp and home
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: and i have a problem
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: when i am home the drive for stick is E on work is F
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: so every time i must reinstal some plugins...can i do something about that?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Try making sure you insert the stick in the same USB slots at work and home. Might work for some unexplained reason
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: There is probably another way, but could change drive letter at one of those places - go to control panel, adminstrative tools, computer management, then disk management?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Create another drive at home so it's bumped to F
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar is agreeing with that Mendaloth person again...
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Because your client will then remember the path as F:\ and not E:\, or vice versa
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: ok..so it is the only way...thx :)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Numerous ways :) Try the easiest first.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: mosi - are you using global plugins?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: or are they all added via CTRL-SHIFT-P
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: some of them autochanging the driver partition..but 5-6 of them are not
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: because my experience is that adding plugins with CTRL-SHIFT-P uses relative paths.. so drives shouldn't be an issue.. but if you have addded any via Global Preferences, that uses and absolute path.. and a drive change will break you
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: what is this SSD thing? Never heard of this component
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: hard drive, solid state
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i use alt+enter winkle
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: mosi- i'm living proof.. i just ran mush from a completely different machine, directory jsut 10 minutes ago.. adn it was fine
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: solid state? mmm ill google it...
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: but is the same no? alt+enter with CTRL-SHIFT-P?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i don't know how you get to the plugins manager window from ALT-tab.. a route i've not found?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which tab under ALT-TAB?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which tab under ALT-ENTER i mean
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: sry..i wanted to say from file-plugins
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lemontree Tech: is tech advice limited to aardwolf only or are we 'loud to ask generald questions 
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: General questions are OK.  Anything tech related.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lemontree Tech: is there a way t use my phone as a computer modem?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lemontree Tech: like you woUld use the usb internet dongle
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Mosi - if they are all added via the plugins window, my understanding is the plugins paths area relative from the mushclient.exe.. at least my experiece has shown me that.. 
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: My mouse (actually touchpad) just went bat-shit crazy. Jumped around randomly, clicked buttons randomly. Had to disable it. Any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beltegeuse Tech: feed him from time to time
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Beltegeuse grins evilly.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: get rid of the cat, and your mouse will stop running away.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: In an SQL text field wherein the potential for both ' and " is present how does one put together the query string?  Is there an alternative grouping mechanism or am I just going to have to switch back and forth?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: since perl stores all number's as double's, can you get a speed increase by using the integer pragma or is it how you write your calculations that causes it to go into integer mode, or how do most programmers get around that?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: floating-point math I believe is slower than integer math, which is why everyone defaults to that.  Probably need to cast an argument so that you force floating-point.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i read that calculations are done in floating point by default in perl, which is why i ask - cause it is supposed to be slower
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: even if you add 1+1 it's done in double precision according to what i read
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: I misread that as double penetration
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: are you a member of the message boards i heard about on the news?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or is that a little out of your fetish
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i wonder if why people choose python so much is maybe through python's handling of numeric calculations using integer's instead of floating point where possible - do you know about that?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: cause floating point is alot slower than integer operations
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and probably alot of the scripting doesn't use them at all - so why turn them all to double's?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: nobody chooses a language based on what type of number they use for default math.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i would
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: If I'm using irrational numbers, I'm not using binany code
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fuzzy Madcatz blinks innocently.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: I guess if your program had a lot of integer math...
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: but then, why not use C and compile it?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: that's faster than an interpreted language
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: real programmers would write an AI program in prolog to decide what language to use based on the math variables they want to use.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: well if you convert them all to decimal even when not neccessary instead of disambiguating them like C would (though there's possibly some cases wehre perl will use integer's instead of float's)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: then you slow down things quite a bit i imagine, if you run the same program using perl and python then compare their results
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: IF python uses integers where double's aren't neccessary
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: why does it matter?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: depends how many calculations your program needs and how many of them have to be done by the FPU, if you have a billion calculation's all being done by the FPU which is maybe 10x as slow as the integer equivalents operation's, then it would slow it down noticeably
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if you did the one's that didn't need to be floats using integer arithmetic, say 98% of them, you speed your program up by 98% * 10
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: minus load operations and stuff which are always slower
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i was surprised when i read abouto that, perl stores all number's and performs all calculations internally using double precision
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: integer's were special cases and arcane cases
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't know why they wouldn't do something like C's casting that the compiler does, if you did (8+5) + 5.3 it would do the first calculation using integer's and cast that integer for the third calculation
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: those are constants, but if they were variables
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: is there's ways to turn on the client to client protocols on mushclient without needing it turned on on a client?  or is that pretty well tested?  as far as i could decypher - it allows the clients to establish connections with one another with the server they were connected to only serving as a negotiation point for those connections
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't like those kinds of features on anything really, one day i'll probably edit my irc client to remove ctcp
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: okay, any ideas why cmud is overwriting variables of type "database record" on me, randomly, when I load up cmud?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Overwriting with valid stuff, or just gibberish?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: do you have 'use default' checked, and your default is blank?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: valid stuff, but from "earlier"....as in, if I update values, it can reset itself to something before the values were set.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: like, with the gq stats, it will see the gq as still going....with the cp stats, it'll think I still have one mob left to kill.....
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: in the case of weekly statistics I've been gathering, it's reverting to the previous week.  which is completely useless.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if i had to guess, your package is corrupted
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: and, I can't control it, since I'm not setting the values.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: okay, fine......how do you fix corruption AND NEVER HAVE IT COME BACK?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I'll settle for "how do you fix corruption?" for now.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: export the packages?  start over from scratch?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, i don't know about the last part...but export your settings to xml, close cmud, delete the package, relaunch, let cmud create a new (empty) package, and reimport from xml
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: and is there any way to get a "sense" of whether or not the packages have "gone south"....so that I can avoid having to keep losing data?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, losing data is one way to tell :P
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Martini & Tyebald smirks.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: is there some primer or other for how to work with db variables?  everything compiles fine, and seems to work fine, but this type of junk keeps creeping back in with these types of variables.  if I'm doing something wrong, I'd like to know.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: like #ADDKEY....should it be used/not used?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Should be used. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no reason it shouldn't be, afaik
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's designed specifically for db variables.  It should be used.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I guess technically speaking one should not use a=b assignment or any of the other ways to assign a value to a db key, but those aren't really wrong either.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: well, like I say, it's not the scripts themselves that seem to struggle, it's that the variables get reloaded with some historical data whenever cmud is closed and restarted.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: why there is even a history of any kind for it to be able to pull from is surprising to me.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there isn't, which probably means you have multiple variables with the same name or are using a default value
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I know in MUSH, plugins and such save separately from the world, and it's possible that the world is getting saved, but not the state (variables) of the plugins.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I've searched for duplicates.  there aren't any.  I'm not setting defaults (at least, not in terms of the syntax detailed in the help).
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: do you have any code that might be initializing stuff?  Perhaps pulling from a database of some kind?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: this was one thing for gq/cp/q stats, which while unreliable, were largely ornamental.  but I can't have every db variable I choose to use be unreliable.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: all the values in the latest stuff are populated from scratch each time I pull rank data.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: the previous week, though, is simply copied/duped once.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: as in #VAR <db_var> @<copy_this_var>
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: <db_var> is succeeding in remembering what it _used_ to be....and then resetting itself when/if I restart cmud.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is it the same value every time, or are you just always one step behind?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: one step behind.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: the "step" could have been taken ages ago, depending on when I restart.  but always one step.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: so, for cps, it reverts to one mob left, for gqs, to the mob before the last one I killed....and in terms of these weekly statistics, to two weeks prior instead of last week.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: and everything looks fine in the Settings dialog if I view it.  and if I Save it, no complaints, and it still looks fine.....but the values will change when the session opens again.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what sort of maintenance have you tried doing?  Reset the layout, export/import, yada-yada
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: haven't done export/import in over a year.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: added some new windows, which involved screen layout changes, but the cp/gq issue was going on long before that.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: thought I was okay with these new variables, but now the last week one (more or less the only one that really matters. :P) is resetting itself.  the others (also dbvars) so far seem to be okay....
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I see.  Have you at any point had CMud crash, either producing an Access Violation or even just simply disappearing immediately from memory?  Similarly, has your computer been forcibly turned off or restarted (in other words, was CMud ever shut down incorrectly)?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: top five, top month, top year, etc....
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: yes.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: have had cmud hang on me many times, though not for a long while.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: have had the main O/S crash when I dumped a martini on the laptop. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: (which I don't recommend doing, btw....but apparently you can get away with it)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: these sorts of things can cause data corruption, simply because the application may have been in the middle of saving your data when it got interrupted.  I would at a minimum do a full export/import of every package you use.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: okay.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: export "live", or disconnect?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you will want to do it while disconnected.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Martini & Tyebald nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I'll see what that buys me.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you don't want your scripts firing in the process of fixing stuff, so if you have anything going on during offline mode you might want to turn off triggers and parsing.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: offline mode shouldn't have anything firing.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you will also want to close all the windows involved with a package you will be fixing, since there's an AV crash involved if you try to remove a package when a window is opened.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ah.  so, close all windows and work strictly with the settings dialog?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, you cannot close your last window.  What I do is I create a dummy package with a throwaway window.  I can then close all the windows my session would normally use.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: huh.  okay.  well, I want this to work, so I'll do that.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and because I now have the xml file, I usually just delete the .pkg file and make a fresh one--like with any other datafile in any other program, you can't do such a thing if it's being used.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: yeah, when I've rebuilt in the past, that's what I do.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: any idea if this would also be related to the settings tabs "losing their brains" at times, if I have the settings open while the mud is running?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: could be, but that might be more about the package editor itself having a corrupted layout.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: sometimes, I can no longer tap between packages....it'll go through the motions, but the visible packages, triggers, etc. don't change.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: but, if I close the settings, then minimize the app and restore it, it works again.  only if I minimize first, though.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: if I don't minimize, reopening settings accomplishes nothing....the view is still "stuck".
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so it looks like that song has indeed killed my desktop
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: any idea what might cause a pc to refuse to even boot to the motherboard splash screen?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: No RAM/bad ram. no video/bad video. bad power supply. bad cpu. bad motherboard.  bricked BIOS. many things.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: does it have a PC speaker attached (or built-in?)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: attached
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: before it crash it froze
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: any diagnostic beeps when you power it up?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: usually there's a beep when powering up, there's no sound
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: do the fans spin up AND STAY SPINNING?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: does the screen flicker any?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: doesn't turn on at all
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sometimes it decides to power up
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: goes into loading windows and then freezes
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: when it freezes the speakers start making strange noises
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: hmm.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: hmmm...  thats hard....
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if it helps, it had problems with cpu overheating recently, but i think i fixed that issue
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: though it might have damaged stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: yes...do you have another power supply you can try attaching?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: if it weren't for the speaker bit, i'll vote for overheating
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: back when it was overheating it'd just self-reboot immediately, but now it just freezes and makes noise
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: Oh and about how old is this system? and is it an OEM machine (dell, hp, acer, etc) or custom?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: custom, maybe 3-4 years
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: Have you checked all the capacitors on the motherboard for bulging/leaking?
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ummm, no idea how to recognize that
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: http://forum.videohelp.com/images/guides/p2022092/close-up.jpg  is a fair example...although it's not always as obvious as the example shows...good lighting will help.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: all look fine to me
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: good.  do you have a Hirens disc or any other disc you can use to boot up an operating system (such as a linux live-cd)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: well. that's probably silly, if it doesn't come on most of the time.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn shakes his head.
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: have you tried removing everything you can (floppy/hard-drive/cd-rom data cables, PCI/PCIe addin cards) and reseating cables/parts you can't? (memory, power connectors)
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not yet
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i wonder if it might be a hard drive failing
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: Unlikely.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what are symptoms for that?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Unlikely, but if you have a spare hard drive...
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: symptoms for bad hard-drive? System locks up or BSoDs in Windows.  Can't always completely load the OS (freeze/BSoD).  May cause CONSIDERABLE delays during the detecting phase of posting at startup.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: shouldn't be able to cause you to have a black screen / no POST.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: after letting it rest for a while it seems to be booting into windows again
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: might really be heating issues, i'll see if i can get a temperature thing running
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: that lends more credence to over-heating.  i would try loading up a temperature monitoring program if you have one that'll read your temps.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: is this a custom pc or?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}L33tM4st3r Lashan Tech: or try loading into your BIOS setup screen and check the temperature/health menu
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: custom, but i really don't have much in the way of cooling
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: make sure the mobo isn't grounding on the case, but it sounds like its heat
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: or PSU
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: bad PSUs do weird stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: do you happen to be a student at a university/
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: a lot of the time they have a place you can take your computer and have it checked out
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: for free
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: really suspecting temperature, just rebooted itself again
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: do you have a big fan/
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: typiclly that's CPU temp
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no fans :p
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's been running fine for years though, don't overclock
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: clean it
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: probably pounds of dust bunnies
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: careful with static when cleaning
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: the cpu heat sinks probably has dust clogged between the fins
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: well, reloaded cmud settings from scratch.  no change.  it will still overwrite db variables when cmud restarts.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i cleaned it a week ago when it was facing overheat issues
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: re-applied thermal paste, but maybe did it badly
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: are you sure you reseated the heatsink well?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's been working for about a week now
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: overapplying thermal paste can cause overheating but unless you put a shload on it usually doesn't
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: most of it gets squeezed out the side when you apply the heatsink
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: put pretty little i think any problems would have been apparent much earlier right?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: I find that putting too much on actually ends up worse than too little
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Over apply it and you end up with goopy crap around the cpu and bubbles under it
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: eh it takes awhile for the thermal paste to burn in
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: interestingly it seems to have frozen in bios screen
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: but only like a couple days
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: bubbles usulaly develop of you move the heatsink around to much or up and down when putting it against the cpu in my experience
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: think i should try applying again?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Aye, and when you have a ton of paste on there, you're going to get more movement, whether it be intentional or unintentional
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you should do what everyone said and download one of the free temp monitor programs
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i was watching temp in bios
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: is it high?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it seems to have frozen, at 62
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: lower than last week for sure, i was hitting 66 on an idle load
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: what proc?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: that seems hot
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: different processor have different heat tolerances too
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: intel dual core iirc
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: let me see if i can find the model
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: yeah thats hot
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: thats pretty much the max
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: unless its an extreme chip
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: should be mid range
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: assuming it is over heating, what should i try?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i've already cleaned/re applied thermal paste last week, i could try applying again
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you could try taking off the side and blowing a fan into it
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: watch your cpu temps while doing it int he bios
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: sometimes that can actually help other times it can hurt
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: depending on case design and a lot of stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: also make sure in your bios you havent set any fan settings to low or someting
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the bios froze earlier btw
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is it definitely not hd/ram issue?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: most likely not HD but ram could be possible but unlikely
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: unfortunately is more of a pick what is most likely and try that game
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: rams easy to test anyway
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: yeah you could run a memtest
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: its on win7 installs and you can dl it for free and put it on a cd
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: or since the fault crops up so often just try your ram one by one
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace nods at Kanmuru Kirua.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: good idea
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: interesting, there's no preferred ram slot correct?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: generally there are two that go together
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i unplugged one of the ram cards, now when booting fans start and stop intermittently
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: to interleave the ram
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: well, you're supposed to put a pair of rams in slots 1, 3 or 1, 2 depending on the motherboard layout, but it'd work with just one on 1
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: doesn't matter where the 1 is located right
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: that new problem actually sounds promising to me, try swaping it now
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: it shouldnt
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: unless you have a mobo that supports ddr2 and ddr3 in different slots or something strange
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: great, now it's stuck refusing to start
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: unless i somehow managed to damage something while starting, no idea what might have caused that
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: while swapping*
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: you swapped in the other ram stick?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: placed them both back in again and fans are still starting intermittently
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i replaced the originals back where i removed them
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: ahhh make sure they're seated and it clicked
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: hmmm... we meant swap as in replace the remaining ram with the other
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: only other thing i can think of is that i had to turn off the power while taking out the ram
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea, i tried
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: not to swap the positions of both
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: in all permutations fans don't stay spinning anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: my thought now is that the fans at least should move even with a ram problem....
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: if nothing happens its usually mobo or psu
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: but iunno why it would just start happening now
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it tries to start
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: fans spin for a short while then stop
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: then try again
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: unless it was teh psu the whole time and it just broke
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: oh thats different
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: let me check if i have a spare psu lying around
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: if the fans spin up fast then slow down thats usually when the mobo starts controlling them
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: if swapping the ram made such a big change, i still think they be the problem
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: so its probably not hte psu
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: both rams dying at the same time?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: did you rub them agains the carpet? ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn shakes his head.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: unlikely, one of them at a time should work
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Global Menace nods at Kanmuru Kirua.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i use an eraser for the ram too
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: eraser?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: rubber?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: an insulator
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: http://www.homebrewcpu.com/
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i just use the antistatic bags
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraser
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: uhh
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you mean you rub them with an eraser to get rid of static?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: unorthodox, but thats what i do, and it's just to clean the contacts
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: tahts a new one lol
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: why my bast spellup miniwin is all black? :)
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i use this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/guano
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i was serious on the eraser thingy....
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: because it's awesome.. and black is cool
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hehe i know.. and using an eraser is a good idea
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it seems like neither ram stick is working now
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: can mb's start with no ram and go into bios or something?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: might just be the whole mb dying somehow
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: your mb doesn't have the newfangled error display thingy?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: my old one has a row of LEDs and my new one even gives me a number to check
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i used to have an ISA card called a post card that woudl report the bios stage numbers as they happened
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: as far as i know, no
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: going to try to use a single ram card in the different slots and see if any work
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but i have the feeling it's not going to work
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn sighs.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so, computer refuses to boot, fans start/stop repeatedly, is that a symptom of mb failure?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: power supply problem possibly
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: look at the MB, is there any of the little round black things with the top of them looking bubbled up?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wouldn't that be lucky
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: last time i wouldnt' boot is was my power supply
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a blown capacitor is easy to fix as long as there's no peripheral damage
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: happened to me once
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i don't see any
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i found a spare psu lying around, will try that though
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you have a voltmeter you should be able to test the psu without replacing it
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: my bets on the power supply. if you pull the power cord out does the green light stay on for a very long time?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, for some reason my spare psu doesn't seem to have the right cables to plug onto the mb
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: there are different mb standards
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: damn
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: depending ont he generation
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i knew my psu had died because the fan stopped spinning in it
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: did you take it apart and try and fix it?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: DO NOT open power supply lol
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: a psu? that's a field replace unit pal, don't be touchin' it
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: unless you know what your'e doing that is a great way to kill yourself/burn down your house
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i opened mine before, what's the problem with toying with theM?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: you can kill yourself touching wrong things in power supply, they store power and will shock the hell out of you
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what can i test on the psu with a voltmeter?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: capacitors
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: they put them together and put the togethered piece into your place - can't be nothing too deadly with it
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: they're holding your 220 or 110 volts for days.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: oh really, so it holds power even when power is out?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: it's also illegal to do, at least in some places (if you connect it to the mains power again)
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: a bit, yes
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: as someone who was the bridge on a live power supply once, i can tell you its not pleasant.. 
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: illegal?  crazy
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Redryn Check if the transformers transform. Inspect capacitors visually, they should be flat on top.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes i've looked at the capacitors
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: at least in sweden, you need to be a certified electrician to work with 230V AC stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: .. now.. lick them to see if they're still fresh j/k
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: lmao..
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Next check transformers. They usually go first
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: to the decepticons!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ok.. delerious with fatigue.. baby-daddy-winkle is going to bed.. goodluck .. don't kill yourself
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: there's a green led on the mb that stays lit the whole time if that's any help
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: that just means the mb is recieving power. but with a faulty power supply that can still happen.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: tell Lythium did you figure out the Interrogation?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: mistell
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Oh, also, if you manually connect the turn-on wire to ground (preferably through coupla-hundred-ohm resistor), the PSU should turn on, no matter what the motherboard does.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Might want to try that first.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not familiar with the psu, so unless you can describe what to do i wouldn't really want to risk it..
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: you could take your power supply out and take it to your local computer store, they will be able to test it for you. might even be free. just takes a minute
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: meh, in that case i might as well take the whole thing and ask them to check everything :p
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i guess there's nothing else i can try?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you have a voltmeter?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or another power supply?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i have another psu but i think the cables don't fit
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i also have a voltmeter
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so just use the voltmeter to test the rails on the power supply. it's easy
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/ht/power-supply-test-multimeter.htm
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: when it says to short pin 15/16, what should i be using to short it? any piece of wire i have lying around?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think there may indeed be a problem with the psu, or i'm doing the testing wrong
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: whenever i try to test the load by touching a black wire/any other wire
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the fan stops
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ?????!!!!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huh
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: AFter THAT you're SURE to have a problem!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You're shorting it out!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: that always sucks =/
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs at the sight of Cizra.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What you should actually do -- go look up on Wikipedia which wire is the turn-on one and short it (and only it) to the ground.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: he's following instructions already
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Er.. Instructions to short it out?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Sounds like bad instructions, to me
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: Maybe he wants to buy new pc :)
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm no, i think i was using the wrong settings on the volt meter
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/ht/power-supply-test-multimeter.htm
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Phew, I thought he's shorting the PSU wires themselves. Black is ground, y'know.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: my voltmeter has two plugs for the red probe, one is labelled 10A unfused, 10ADC, the other is 600V,200mA max, Vohmsign mA
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'm guessing i should be using the 600v side?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the other side shorts/kills the fan
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: read the manual for your meter
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Plug the red probe into 600V socket
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: the other one will ruin both your voltmeter AND psu.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ... we were taught this stuff in school, grade 11 or something...
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ok, i seem to have one 5v wire which is reading 0
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I don't remember how they're connected to the PSU... Are they soldered? If they're plugged in, maybe the contact got rusty.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's just one massive bundle of cables that goes into the psu
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If it's just one red vire, then perhaps you could replace it by another one
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Yeah, but inside the PSU
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: are you recommending me to open it, after my awesome short circuiting abilities? :p
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Nope.....
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: See if any other wires are bad
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: 12v's are reading at 11.28, not sure if that's considered low
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Maybe it's possible to pull the bad wire out and replace with a good one? They're redundant.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: No, that's good
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the page has a chart with tolerances for each line
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the page lists 11.4
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'll go see if i have another psu lying around somewhere, or if i can cannibalize one
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the faulty wire means i would need to replace the whole psu right?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: likely
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Easiest
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If just one wire is bad, it's probably some connection somewhere, which is repairable. But a PSU costs starting from like 20 EUR. Should be in reach.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: has anyone else noticed that basts stats tracker really does not handle redos at all?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: think i should try opening the psu and see if anything is obviously wrong?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Vale, have you informed Bast?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: what is a psu?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: hes not online...i just noticed
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: power supply unit
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Redryn, potentially dangerous
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vale Tech: it said it took like 90 mobs to get last level which has to be using total from my original t9 + thie tier
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: make sure to toss on your tinfoil cap and rubber gloves
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i had no problem opening the case and prodding it with a screwdriver
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: just make sure it has a rubber handle on it
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'd disconnect the power before opening it..
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: in my case it was something underneath what was seen that made it not work, i didn't bother finding out what
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just an issue of whether it blows up after reconnecting i expect
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: guess i should just buy a replacement
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the thing's look more confusing than a motherboard
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: do cell phone's have mini psu's on them?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or what's the point?  just electrical surges that destroy your pc anyway?  wire's only take what they can take don't they?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: well a computer psu converts AC power to 5v and 12v dc connections totalling to a certain wattage
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: 3.3 also
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: a cellphone just pulls a flat voltage (for the most part) from the battery
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so it's the conversion and distribution of the ac current that it's job is?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: yep
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and the battery doesn't need that transformation?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: on a cell phone
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: batter is dc already
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: ok
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: no ... some stuff will have a stepdown but that can be handled via electronics
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: resistors and whatnot
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: starting to wonder if i should just buy a new computer since this is the second time it failed in a couple of weeks
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: are you using a surge protector?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the multiplug i'm using is supposed to have a built in one
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i blame fiendish's youtube video
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: if you just replaced it hopefully it's still under warranty.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no, the last thing which had problems was cpu overheating
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: [1ga nai [if] [2(3[jimpe1 (understand-er(s)) :] do you)3 [is, does] +4jimpe understand-ing;4 (5[jimpe2 (understood fact(s)) :] dei this utterance)5]2 gi [then] [6(7[nitcu1 (thing(s) with need) :] do you)7 [is, does] +8(9gletu copulat-ing [type-of] nitcu being with need)9;8]6]1
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: But cool.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: note
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oops
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if the wireless signal is weak on this phone and it's varying, will it drain more battery or it doesn't matter
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Will drain
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: normally more -- it increases power for a weak signal, although some hardware just runs in max power all the time
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone know what the css equivalent to rules="groups" is, in html tables?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so i replaced the psu on my pc, and no change in symptoms
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what was the symptoms? broken bot?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: when powering on, fans run for a short period, then stop, and cycle repeats
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no bios screen, no beeping
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: stripped out everything other than cpu, gfx and one stick of ram?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: tried resetting the bios?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: try that. if that doesn't work, see if you can beg/borrow/steal an ancient old graphics card to try in it's place
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: also try removing/reseating the cpu
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: already did the cpu part,
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: cpu's really don't often go wrong, so it's probably the mobo
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: resetting bios = clearing cmos ram?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nods
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: might take a while trying this, reading manual and attempting to pry the battery out
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you're prying the battery out, make sure the psu is unplugged from the mains and leave it out for several minutes before plugging back in
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: omg it's showing signs of life
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ok, it starts, according to the manual i should try to enter bios setup and re enter data, but it doesn't seem to load the bios setup
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's prompting to load boot device though, should i reconnect my hard drives?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: chances are you missing the short period where you're given opportunity to enter bios
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: reboot and start hammering on the appropriate key right from the outset
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: when in there, load setup defaults and just set the date, time, and boot device, don't pee around with other settings
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nvm, i'm a retard, forgot to re connect keyboard
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Don't be so hard on yourself. It's just Error-code PEBDKAC.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm, after installing new psu/resetting bios, my sound no longer seems to work. already tried reinstalling drivers
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: does the device show up at all?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes, it's listed in device manager with no problems
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it can even detect when speakers are plugged in/out but doesn't play any sounds
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: is it selected as the primary audio controller, enabled, and volume set in the control panel?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: when you unplugged stuff, did you unplug front-mounted headphones/mic sockets?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's soldered onto the motherboard
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what is
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the parts with audio jack
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: are there no other sockets on the front of the case?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: sometimes behind a flap
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: there's another audio jack in front, didn't touch that cable either
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: neither work
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: is that cable still plugged in?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: tried an ordinary set of headphones?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: tried uninstalling all the software for it?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: onboard sound always was a pain in the behind
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which driver were you installing from, cd provided, or latest version from the website?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: from website
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: when you uninstalled it, did you uninstall all the extra crap that they tend to lump with it?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yep
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: like the software that detects your speakers and stuff like that
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: there's just the driver and some sound management software thing
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: which afaik come together, uninstalled everything
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you said the front-panel headphones socket is still plugged in. Did you unplug it at any point?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: do you have the original driver cd?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not sure, i'd have to search for it
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'd suggest uninstalling, double checking it's removed all the extra audio software, and re-use the original. once reinstalled, double check it's set the default sound devices and stuff in the control panel
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: make sure it's not set to 'digital output only' or stuff like that
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and make sure your speakers are plugged in the green 'ole
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: pretty much what i've tried, only the driver was from the website (same ver as what i uninstalled)
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: good place for mush plugins? autoPot/spellup/etc
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Bast site, finger bast?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Only use his spellup plugin and a few of his mini-windows, but he has a potion thingamabob in there too
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thanks, couldnt remember the name - knew it was a B
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: where can i find a good scan highlight plugin?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What does scan highlight mean?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You know you can just do "scan troll", right?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's faster if highlighted
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: like the cp mobs are having a color
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: so nobody knows?:)
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I've no idea
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and I dunno for what client either
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: mushclient my bad :)
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is there one in the stock mush
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: check on Fiendish's site too
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what does it mean when there's an error in cmud, saying sqlite.dll not found
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: gonna restart
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: uninstall/reinstall. missing a .dll file required to use the client.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: no still not working
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well yes but I checked for the file before asking it's there
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: corrupt file. 
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well fuck me
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cizra lets out a string of curses at TrEz that would make you blush... if we hadn't censored him.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: try redownloading, perhaps from a different site if possible. then reinstall
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: right, not a profane lang channel :P sorry
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Hmm. Didn't work :-D
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: trez, d/l just the .dll from http://www.sqlite.org/download.html
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: plop it into the cmud folder in place of the one there
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: that would be a better solution for sure.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Won't there be a version conflict?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you're a version conflict
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Or is it ::LoadLibraried?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: restarted windows and it works now
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: ahh thats your whole problem...windows
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: microsoft is EVIL!!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: no u
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but not as evil as Oracle, or Apple
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ur mom is
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: i agree she's quite evil at times
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: Linux is where it's at. free and secure!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and crap
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: we all need more crap
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: pishposh!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Too many newbs on Linux these days... Gotta switch to Haiku or FreeBSD or something.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: BSD is nice also. 
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you're going to use bsd, might as well buy a mac
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: havent tried mac. i refuse. 
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: http://serverfault.com/questions/293217/our-security-auditor-is-an-idiot-how-do-i-give-him-the-information-he-wants
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: for you guys that want a good read
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that WAS a good read.. i also immediately would have told the guy to do something anatomicly impossible with himself
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: so who wants to sell me some mushclient maps :)
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: $500, and it's yours.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Holliday: Give me 2 tps and I can give you most areas.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: How can I add all spell and skill to Bast's spellup plugin?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: bsp add all?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: anyone using mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: absolutely!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yep!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: 109 people
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: It has c/zMUD beat!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: is there a way to setup two different plugin layouts for each prompt?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: though i will say both clients have their merits!
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: are you talking about prompt and battle prompt?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: yeah, a different "aardclient" style plugin setup for standing or fighting
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: turn the maps and comm log off for fighting, and back on for standing/walking
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why would you want the comm log off for fighting?
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i have an "events" plugin that will let you write triggers on when you change rooms, areas or status (sleep, fight, walk, run, etc)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the answer is that there is currently no way to manipulate the position or size of miniwindows except manually. some of the plugins do have aliases for hiding and showing them, though
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: chat on
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: er
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: chats hide/show, for example
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: anyone out there gotten a new sandy bridge laptop yet?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: yah
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: orly
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: ya rly
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: how are you liking it so far
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: and which brand did you get
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Apple :p
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: love it.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: ugh
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: nevermind then, i won't pay that much for a laptop :/
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: not doubting it is good though
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Hehe :)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: replay
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: s-s-s-s-sloooowwww motion playback baby!
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Is there a way to change the geometry of a gnome-terminal session that's already running?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Short of using the mouse to drag and resize.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: there are keypresses also
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: what is wrong with the mouse?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I was kind of looking for a command-line way to access the currently-running session.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: But the keypress works, of course.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: just curious -- but why do you want a command line to perform a GUI operation? 
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Just to be able to use less mouse and more keyboard. I only have a touchpad.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: you could go tiling manager -- but hard core, but works well
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: bit
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: alt-f7 and alt-f8 to move and resize in gnome. I use them all them time.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: on small screens, I tend to just alt-tab and maximise. My large screen, I resize once at the beginning of the day and move my chair around my office
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Ranrr: thanks. Hadn't tried Alt-F8.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Swalec: it is a little hardcore, yes. Bit lazy to tinker with that stuff at the moment. Inertia with the nice working setup is a bit great :D
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: using the aardmushclient - couple quick questions if anyone has a sec
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: shoot
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Perhaps!?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and if anyone doesn't?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: using mapper portals to set portals understandable - is there already built in functionality for portal bag, and autouse of portals?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: you'd need to make an alias to get your portal out of your bag.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: k, didnt know if i was just missing that part
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Portal bag nope, but I just made an alias to do that.  So I do portal <key>, and that alias keeps track of my portal bag.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: but overall nice setup
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: bleh just need to convert my tt travel script to mush will take forever I do believe
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I imagine you could somewhat automate it
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what does your tt travel script do?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: was that the only question?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: was easiest method to have regex in mushclient alias
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: reboot coming i think
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: ^setportal {(\'.*\'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: ^setportal {(\'.*\'|[a-zA-Z]*)} {\'.*\'|[a-zA-Z]}$
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: there we go sorry
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: wow.. whats that meant to match?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: need to convert that to mush alias, got the rest converted
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: click the regex box, or regexp="y" in the <alias XML
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thats : deadlights 'timeless seal ages'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: do you often type "setportal <something else>"?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: anytime i acquire a new portal i will do setportal area 'all keywords to portal'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: to populate my new alias
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right, but why so specific in the alias definition
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: True I usually just use setportal *
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: throw the specifics/argument parsing into the logic part, you basically want the alias to be "setportal foo"
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: because i didnt wanna do setportal * *
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't hafta
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: setportal * does it fine
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: hrm, how would that work abe because within the setportal alias : i would have #alias {%1} {wearportal %2}
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: I mean i could just do setportal {*} {*}
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wildcards [1], wildcards [2]
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: right but if i just do setportal * how will it differenciate between them
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rather, for your use, wildcards [1] and wildcards [-1] I believe
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: i see where you are going with it, was just trying to figure out the logic behind it
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it knows words :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then again, for my personal use, I just pick a single keyword rather than using all keywords for a portal, and have 2 bags for portals :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I use item object ids
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that's new for me.. what's wildcards[-1] return?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: THe last wildcard.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: item ID isn't good for portals that you pick up every mort, though
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all the easy "kill 1 guy for portal" ones, mossflower, etc I replace every mort
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: True won't work for all, but I haven't bothered with the limited use ones like dsr, someday I will and can just use keywords I suppose.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, nothing wrong with itemID, just you'd have to redefine any that you replace with another copy
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've got a portal alias plugin i'd be happy to share
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: for mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'd be good, winkle, I think it comes up often enough, and abstracting portals is a good thing :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hold on a sec
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, for using a portal, mine is /def do_portal_engine = /wake %; /eval /set portal_name=%1 %; /eval /set portal_container=%2 %; /if (has_portal_wish=~"Y") /if (primary_portal=~portal_name) enter %; /return %; /endif %; /else /remdual %; /endif %; g $[portal_name] $[portal_container] %; d %;/if (gmcp_room_info_num = 26151) d %; /endif %; wear $[portal_name] %; enter %; /if (has_portal_wish=~"Y") /wear_pri_portal %; /else /weardual %; /endif %; put $[portal_name] $[portal_container] (tinyfugue-speak)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish whistles appreciatively.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so many slashes
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: / is tinyfugue's # in tt/zmud/cmud speak ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: well damn - wtf is the problem here now
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: #alias {gohere} {wearportal 'test'}
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: why would that fail with #alias {*} {*}
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Are you using a plugin that allows tt style aliases in mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: yes the one on the aardmush client
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what does it do?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Never used it myself, so can't help much.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "fail"
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: ok so it works if i type it manually, just doesnt work from one alias to the next
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that doesn't seem right
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it is sending to execute, so that should work
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: anyone who wants a portals alias plugin : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/84892/_Personal_RunTo.zip
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: unless there's some quirk about how the second part needs to be formatted. I'll admit I haven't used that much
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: nah the alias i made was send to world, not execute
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: didnt catch that thanks Fiend
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which alias was send to world?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: one that I was making for a traveling script
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wearportal?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: i had a setportal alias that was supposed to use #alias 
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: and setportal was sendto world not execute
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: so got everything working as needed, only thing left is the mapper portal {define}
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: Ok last question for now :) I promise
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: can you do mapper portal "portal" "level" so you dont get the popup?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: or anything of the sort?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: bleh
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: that would be my only request - that way i could autopopulate all of my portals
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: without using special characters as boundaries there wouldn't have been a good way to know when the command ended and the level began
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You could probably edit the db directly if you knew exactly what you were doing (if you absolutely must alias it)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's trivial to add, thogh
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Fiendish, the last integer of the text is the level :-D
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and what if your command ends in a number?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It only requires making level non-optional for unambiguousness.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Except when it's not...
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: So what..
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right. I'd have to make level non-optional
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which is probably fine, because it's not really optional right now
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cizra -D 'zactly my point
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: -1...I prefer the popup myself
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i heard positive response from when teh popup was introduced
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: could you make the optional level range the first param and just check for [0-9]{1,3) int eh alias?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Or something like 'mapper portaldef <command>' to set level to 0/default like it used to, then use portallevel to set the level?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Will the aardmush mapper remove the old maps through some gmcp magic, or should I purge them?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: best to purge them
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: will not remove
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it will rewrite exit info as you go in the rooms but that gets messy sometimes
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I think it'lln't delete any exits.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: that's one helluva contraction - but thanks, purged the three outdated now :-0
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah. there's unfortunately no way right now to signal the mapper automatically that old areas don't exist anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though that's not a bad idea
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe a "gmcp request areas" command that returns the entire area list
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: could be useful
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Especially for the gob-path fiasco :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it took a while for that to even be reported to me
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Purgation... I'll pay that :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no? wrong word?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle gallantly tips his hat to Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ^^
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: when I type on skype on this android it autocorrects the word
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: how can I remove this, since I can't type 'woot'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: WHat does it get autocorrected to? "wookie"?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: to spoof, allot, eliot, aloof
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: not sure wtf is that
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's like t9 or something
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Aloof? Aloof means quick on feet. I think. Not a native.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: T9? It's the first thing I turn off in a new phone.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: no I dunno wtf is that
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it suggests words up there
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but sdfg suggests days
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: random
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: right it's called prediction
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lemontree Tech: will mxit beable to useccp?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: probably not
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you could petition the mxit developers to incorporate zlib into their connection to aard, then it could
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, further-bastardizing isn't cleaner :P
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: cleaner for me
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's a lot simpler to grab a json table from gmcp now than it is to gag and parse 200 lines
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have it send json :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: eh?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 200 lines worth of info isn't what telnet option negotiation is designed for
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: did they ever establish other options besides qp/tp on donations?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you want it in json, then ask for it in json...gmcp itself doesn't bring anything to the table
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: gmcp means I don't have to gag it
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's nice :P
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and how often do you plan to run this routine?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: once per login
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though I wonder
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: more often than it should be run, IMO
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but you'd only be gagging one line if it were json formatted
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: gmcp seems to handily send very large blocks of data already here
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: To be honest, I'd love for a lot of things to be json formatted.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: groups, terrains
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: terrains?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ah...uh...yeah.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Not everything has to be gmcp, but could display it in json format. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Exactly.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't see why it shouldn't be gmcp then
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you're basically arguing for tags to come back
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they never left
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I also disagree with the way group info is handled
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but gmcp was designed as a replacement for tags for a reason
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because tags are ugly
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, but there's the thing...a requested formatted string isn't a tag
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it would appear that roomnotes aren't purged with a purgezone.. log it?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, log that on fiendish's site :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can see how that might happen, given the recent database merging
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: please log it
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: np
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'll fix it in a minute
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you disagree with how group info is handled because you think it shouldn't send the entirety of the group data each round or for other reasons?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Fiendish: for running it, I would just check each gmcp room data to see if the area keyword is known, if not, then run the <get areas> command, whatever it may be
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that assumes you already have a baseline of areas of course
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a reasonable approach
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i purgezoned "port" ... potentially i purged the worng name area now that i think of it.. i'll double check
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did port get replaced?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I always liked port
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah brightsea now.. with ascii art
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: interesting
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I did too, I liked the Goal for that
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: roughly same layout..
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for group info, I disagree with the sheer amount of data being sent in a single go of what is essentially a control header rather than something that is supposed to contain actual data...most other gmcp info is sent in reasonable chunks
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I assume it compresses well
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not quite sure what difference that's supposed to make :P
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the actual volume of bytes is small
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: The real answer is Obviously(tm) stepping away from telnet-alikeness, and just do a custom protocol over SCTP, exploiting the native multi-streaming and record chunking   :p
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: my issue is with the structure...
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Why, I should have some time to tackle it in only 10 or 15 years.  Let me check my calendar...
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I agree. Telnet is a rather shoddy protocol for gaming.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: This TCP overhead is killing performance. Switch to UDP streaming.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: The somewhat funny part of course is that MUDs are probably the exemplar of remaining uses of telnet that actually use it as telnet, rather than "oh look, here's something that looks like a convenient network bithose".
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just wanted to say a big 'thanks fiendish' for yet more cool updates and for being psychic...was going to ask about the hyperlink thingy but it's been sorted out before I got chance :)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: So I should do a mapper purgezone port, stardock, and arboria right?  None of those area had funky keywords did htey?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rofl, I was about to say "you can get their keyword by typing area keyword stardock"...*facepalm self
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah once they are gone no way to find it out, except looking at the database through a database viewer....
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, those are their keywords, you're good to go :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: ...and no, no funky keywords..:-P
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: thanks guys :).  Hopefully the new stardock doesn't have a ton of custom exits I have to readd
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brunhilde Tech: any suggestions on what to do about losing my map databse other than redo the whole thing?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: new stardock has no aggros and no cexits at all apart from some doors
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: copy the file, open it with sqlite tools
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: see if there's a compress option in the sqlite tools
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Should have a backup folder in mushclient folder as well.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, yeah, that too, fiendish put in automatic backups
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah.. check your backups
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brunhilde Tech: and if the folder is gone?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: did you delete it? check your recycle bin
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: sad, my events window stopped working. getting an error on the gq broadcasting business.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Anyone notice any problems with Bast Hunt recently?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but I don't use it
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: nod, maybe a reboot will fix it. Can bring up the BH help menu, but the other commands arent working x.X
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: reboot did the trick
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: when dealing with lit endian concept , you have 8 bytes in a register and the 8th byte (apparently) from left to right, is stored first in memory at low addresses - is this done because the register's byte order is from low to high as well?
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: %al %rax, a low of register rax
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that'sw hat i'm leaning towards as a reason
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and the cpu maybe does multibyte calculation's a byte at a time in that order, from low to high
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Imp Druzil wonders if you can have a speed increase with word processing software by reading in a word of text a time and then manipulating it in reverse order
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: little endian ip protocol stacks could speed things up too
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Imp Druzil tweaks the internet
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wrong note number
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You raise your eyebrow at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think there's a better note somewhere
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think there's more context somewhere?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though I suppose it's good enough
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and I'm not now going to go through every note to find it
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, where/when did this conversation start?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you posted a note
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess a while ago
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: topic?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: general board
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you mean my "note read 19272" reply, it's the right note number
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yep - i.e., "it's coming"
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you mean something else, throw me a bone, 26 posts in this forum from abelinc :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You fluffle Ol' Dirty Fiendish mercilessly, making his fur a terrible mess.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: can't talk now. busy.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: The US military lost contact with an unmanned hypersonic test aircraft shortly after its launch, defence officials have said.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It went faster than their radar could track :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this is a new topic, right? ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: The first test flight of a HTV-2 ended with the craft crashing into the Pacific after the military lost contact with the glider nine minutes into the flight. But the first glider's flight still managed to return 139 seconds of aerodynamic data at speeds between 17 and 22 times the speed of sound, DARPA said.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: must have made quite a splash
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Actually, it was probably going too fast to splash much...would've skipped like a stone...:-P
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, hypersonic but unpowered?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know about skipped so much as exploded
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the force of hitting water at mach 22 would be about the same as hitting ground. it seems though that crashing into hte ocean was part of the plan all along, though
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "The vehicle is designed to crash itself into the ocean at the end of its mission."
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: funny way to design something
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not "designed to land in the ocean". No, it's designed to crash itself.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: Better to burnout than to fade away.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: are you talking about the glider weapon thing?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Crashing is easier
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: this is the second time lulz
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: No glider afaik - rocket with a cockpit
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: the didn't do any wind tunnel testing before finializing the design
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: go government
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can't wind tunnel test at mach 22
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, imagine the speed of the wind tunnel impellers
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: the idea is to understand how the control surfaces will work... ie how it will fly
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: not go mach 22
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Except those tests would be 100% meaningless at those speeds...
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we know how control surfaces work at normal speeds...been doing that a while
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can only imagine the difficulty involved in trying to communicate with something moving that fast
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Doppler x1000
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: i dont think they communicate with it
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: its a missle
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: they just launch it preprogrammed
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: The first one had GPS lock all the way through the time it was reporting.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Though space craft beat it for speed
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: So it could be commanded. Heckuva laaag, tho.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can only imagine that this project is the precursor to a real life Project Thor
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, shuttle launch goes hella lot faster
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: speed in space is a lot different then speed in atomsphere, not saying the shuttle didn't go fast.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'm actually rather curious now why we don't already have something like project thor
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: shuttle's doing mach 24 before space
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: imagine how fast the shuttle could go if it were pointing down instead of up
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: really fast, then really stopped
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: depends on your definition of space
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: slower than it would if it had the primary rocket firing after leaving atmosphere ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Fastest man-made object? Voyager II, currently theorized to be in the Oort Cloud about now
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: also known as the father of the borg, and the bad guy in the first star trek movie ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: v-ger
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes ladies & gentlemen, humans invented the borg...star trek had skynet before terminator }:>
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Hipsters
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Are you sure???
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Skynet=1987 Terminator
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure about what particular thing? I dunno if it was voyager 1 or voyager 2
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: 6, I believe.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but I'm sure about the plot of star trek 1 :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: It was the plot of 1, but Voyager 6
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which was voyager become the precursor to the borg, misinterpreting the program that we gave it
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: that's not confirmed canon though, just a fan theory
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Shatner wrote books in which it was canon
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: rut roh, nerd war
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: for ST canon = roddenberry
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: The books are ignored constantly on the screen, but it was an offical ST book. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as was ST Legacy
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Ok. First Air date of borg as borg is Monday May 8, 1989 in the episode Q who. Terminator was made in 1984.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: I'm buying a new computer, is it worth getting an SSD drive for windows installation ?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Probably, unless money is an issue
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: A computer without Windwoes is like a fish without bicycle!
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Any MUSHclient gurus available for brain picking? 
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'd like to use MUSH variables in the raw command input - any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ok, for anyone else interested, you can find a plugin (only way to do it apparently) here - http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=8557
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: on android, how can I remove those notifications on top
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: there's some prompt for wrong pass, but the username is wrong actually
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: which I can't change either, it only asks for pass
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: is there any way to merge 2 aardwolf.db map files?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: cat file1 file2 > file3
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: obviously it won't be usable afterwards
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You fall to the floor laughing at Swalec's remark.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: is that a negative?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Ugh, trying to find .lua files to mess around with is proving to be fruitless, it seems. :(
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Certainly possible Holliday, just not sure how hard it is.  It could be easy if the DB requires unique values for the right fields.  If it allows dupes, then it's more complicated, but certainly doable.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Holliday it can be done, but you may end up with some crazy mixed data
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: google "Merge sqlite databases"
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: could someone assist me with mush plugins ?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Better to ask, you'll usually find some help :)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ask away Xares
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: aye, well i put all the plugins i wanted into notepade and named them accordingly .xml and such but wont come through when i use the shift ctrl p
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what do you mean by "all the plugins I wanted"?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: do they have to be in the plugins folder
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: i have multiple
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that would help
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your plugins can be anywhere you want, but the plugins folder is the standard location. your plugins won't show in the list of loaded plugins until after you load them, though
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in the shift+ctrl+p window, click "Add..."
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: i went through the add option i dont see my files until i select .txt rather than xml format... wich odviously wont work for xml files but im wondering why it wont convert or read it
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you misnamed your files, then
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that's becaseu when you saved it you saved it as a .txt file and you have "show file extensions" turned off
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Are you sure the .txt extension isnC't tacked on to it? Notepad seems to do that by default.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: what do i need todo
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: which is one of the worst things windows does
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what version of windows are you using?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: xp
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Just rename your files to .xml, see if that works first.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/865219
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: i saved them as .xml
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: For future reference, change the correct option in your Windows Explorer settings.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Try opening the folder in a command prompt?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you have file extensions hidden and you save it as .xml.txt then you will only see .xml even though the actual extension is .txt
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: so how do i save them as .xml's ?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I think you need to select all formats first in the dropdown... then make sure you type filename.xml. I haven't used Windows in a while, so I think that's all you can do without changing the option in Windows Explorer.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I say start by doing the steps on the link I showed you first
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and then just go and change the file names
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Trurien rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: got it thanks...
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle waits for the "now my plugin isn't working" messge...
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: actualy it is
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Winklewinkle, your plugin on your computer is not working. 
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: hehe at this moment.. you are correct Tlal
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: why would this skype app not autoscroll, it's annoying
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in CMud, isn't the Preferences option Bring Window with Activity to Front supposed to roll out flyout windows?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: i would assume so, but i haven't used flyout windows...
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: are there any filesystems that both windows and linux can read/write to?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: yes.
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: ntfs can be read/written by both, and windows can read ext2/3/4 I think, with the right software
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: cool, thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: "test"
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: sweet
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: windows 7, is actually awesome
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: you sound surprised :P
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: c8)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: well it doesn't fix typos, lol 8c)
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: given vista, I can see how it might be quite surprising
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: well, 7 is vista + bug fixes, so i can see how it might not be
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: similar to xp vs xp with sp2
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: is there a 64 bit mud client yet?
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: also 64bit IE9 is nice
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: also suprised
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: i'd say more similar to me vs xp :P
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Califan Tech: win7 isn't just vista with bug fixes, they managed to remove a lot of nice features between the two versions
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So, anyone have good sites for .lua files for utility purposes?  I'm looking for things like the http.lua files, etc.  Just wondering what people have made out there.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just added a section to the aardwolf mushclient wiki about creating multiple chat capture windows. https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/ChannelCapture#Creating_multiple_log_windows
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli sighs.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Trying to get twitter.lua to work with the twitter api, but no dice.  Doesn't authorize me. :(
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: abelinc has that working for tf, tried looking at his code?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'll check it again.  Been a while since I looked at it.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: The ttytter site is down...
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: anyone on happen to be using centos
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: is the "official" mush found through aard's web page or fiendish's?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amarufox Tech: would stick with aard's web page
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: fiendish's is more up to date, but could be considered beta
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amarufox Tech: but I don't know
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: Ahem, is anyone a builder for a MUD?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Ahem, there are quite a few for THIS MUD. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: I was being serious, I need to do some 'market research'.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So was I...
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Icecool Tech: - 10
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: Is there anyone I can talk to right now?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: What do you need to know?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: narlo, just check the help info on any number of areas on here, grab the names of the builders, and contact them.  there are no guarantees that builders are listening on any of the channels you might broadcast to.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: I'm writing my buillding code, just want to know what is liked as far as that goes.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Well, considering that Aardwolf has its own code...
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: I've got a pretty nice design, at least I think.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alturis Tech: anyone know why my map stopped being in the plug in and is now in this main window again
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alturis Tech: or how I'd fix that
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: anyone have a problem with mushclient crashing in windows?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: windows xp that is
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: also gives me a windows error whenever I close it
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: thats just windows lol
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: lolol that's helpful
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: you tried a clean install? Mush or aard version? 
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: got it from fiendish's site
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: it's clean xp install, almost nothing else on it
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: ah -- Fiendish's version is dev version right?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: guess I could try the version directly from aard's site
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: worth a go --- then you can report the error to Fiendish if it specific
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: k thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lemontree Tech: is there a mobile client?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lemontree Tech: as in, one that i can use for my phone
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Githerax Tech: set the main deflector to emit a reverse tachyon pulse
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: Is it yesterday, yet?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Githerax Tech: no, tomorrow is yesterday
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Only if tomorrow is today.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Githerax Tech: *was a lil star trek joke there, an Original Series episode was titled "tomorrow is yesterday"*
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli steps away from Githerax
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Githerax Tech: *geeks out*
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: YnysMon pats Githerax on his head.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: Is there any way to enable scrolling in the main window on the AardMUSH?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: OR perhaps open a new window to scroll in that would not move, so that I could (for instance) keep my quest deets there?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: I have no problem scrolling afaik
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: oh
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: like, pane scrolling like in zmud?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: that would be fine, is it built in?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: not that i'm aware of, i just wasn't sure what you were asking for. i have the bast plugins, that care of stuff like that, but i know what you mean
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: bast plugins?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: finger bast
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Delektra Tech: I run TinTin on the mac, and it works pretty well with VoiceOver. However, I thought it'd be fun to have it play sounds [i.e] explosions or screams while fighting, growls while exploring a jungle, etc. Has anyone tried to do this w/applescript or shell scripts?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: in mush, is there a way to see the normal mapper instead of bigmap when moving on continents?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: there's a command like "bigmap" that'll toggle it
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i just uninstalled teh bigmap plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: bigmap just shows a bigmap in the main window. i'll disable it, thanks!
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Android Tech: any mush experts ?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: cook on low heat
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ailet Tech: anyone here know much about the rfid stuff thats been in the news a lot lately? i misplaced my wallet, and it has a card in it that is rfid enabled... is there a way i can use that to find it?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "is there a way to see the normal mapper instead of bigmap when moving on continents?"   <- YES
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: fiendish, why do you always answer hours old questions when you log on? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: the person who asked isn't even online anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: He used to answer them before he logged on, but he got nailed for violating causality.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because people don't ask questions when I'm here and then get wrong answers
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the proper answer to whether bigmap can be disabled on continents is to read this page from the anchored section down. https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Bigmap#Hey,_my_GMCP_mapper_got_replaced_by_this_bigmap_picture_when_I_w
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: that was awesome, Erikson
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: As a side note
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: The command to turn the bimap thingy on and off should proooobably be in mapper help
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: If it isn't already in newer versions than whatever I have.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Not an Imm Erikson aims to excel.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: sure, there's a command for it, but winkle's answer works fine too
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's in bigmap help
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's also in the right-click menus in the latest development version
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Who is going to think to type 'bigmap help' if they didn't already know to type bigmap on/off? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why would they know to type mapper help?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: But yeah, putting it in the right-click menu should be enough.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they should know because they should read the documentation ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Bigmap
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Celanil: questions rarely only exist in the mind of a single person. likewise answers. the more people who know the right answer to the asked question the better the chance of the next person to ask the same question getting the right answer.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: so you're saying winkle's answer was the wrong answer?
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'd say that uninstalling the bigmap plugin is not necessarily the right solution to the asked question
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: i don't really see what difference it makes, if you're not going to use that plugin anyway, might as well just uninstall it, rather than disabling it
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you don't know that they wanted to disable it permanently
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you only know that they wanted to temporarily disable it and/or move it into a different window
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: i don't know that they don't either
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: do you have a tutorial on accessing the GMCP vars for your char.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: but whatever, i'll stop answering, i'm refuse to argue with you, you're obviously right cause you're fiendish
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: obviously
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Holliday, the aardwolf wiki has a section on gmcp
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: k, thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/MushclientGMCP
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: It takes four clicks to disable my touch screen. Once a moth finds it at night, it makes a fight with King Bird look easy. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: anyone have experience with 64bit win7
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: best to just ask your question anyway, rather than asking if anyone can answer it, before they know what it is
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: using it
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: ie9(64) or firefox nightly(64)?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: well if i get crickets on the first, i may not have to ask a dumber question
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: choice of browser has nothing to do with 64bit win7...
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: ff 5.0 on w7 64
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: and any other 64bit program advice
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: i can't find a 64bit chrome or i wouldn't ask
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: Y would U even ask about IE?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: ie9 is better then expected, but its super slow on the "tests"
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: has 2b better than 'expected'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: when w7 SP1 was 'in family' with past productions
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you #sub two things to be each other in zmud does that cause an infinite loop?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: like #sub a b  and #sub b a
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: surely someone here uses zmud still
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: anyone out there used clonezilla to clone a drive over a network to a win 7 pc?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: to store the image file there rather
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so wtf, cmud deleted my settings file
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's empty but not 1 kb
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: avenge! delete cmud
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so what can I do to recover this
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: TrEz: It's your complete settings that was deleted, meaning triggers, aliases, etc?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: Etzli I'm not sure, it crashed now it doesn't show anything
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the settings .pkg file has stuff that is similar to what some older ones have
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so not empty
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If it's the .pkg file, you should have backups.
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but the cmud settings display nothing
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the backups are same, 2 backups
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: there are backup sessions, but they're old and when I open them it's all weird
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hmm... 
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Not sure what could resolve it then... have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling yet?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well I haven't but it just cant' read these ones, it read the other .pkg fine
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: just the importing is weird, not sure how to do it
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and they're older so aren't replacement
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Okay... trying to think of a way to resolve it, if possible.
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I launched same main port session twice, instead of main and test port session
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: And that caused the crash?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and there was some exception msg I can't remember what it was
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well ye I pressed close to close it, from file menu
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: then was some error, I clicked on continue application
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: then I couldn't close it, error popped again, I clicked on kill process or something
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: exception message : Access violation at address 0071592D in module 'cMUD.exe'. Read of address 00000008.
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: system up time    : 5 minutes 13 seconds
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: haven't done anything, basically, since log in
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if I open the .pkg with a viewer and do 'clean db', it removes everything from it
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: anyone know of a way to set midpssh up to use less airtime? or a telnet client that transfers less?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's not the client... it's whatever you're connecting to...
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: so there is no way to compress the data?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: sorry for the dumb q im new to this telnet story
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If it supports MCCP, sure.  Other than that, not really.
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: ok so do u know of a java phone client with mccp support
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Not a clue.  I don't play from the phone except for very rare instances when I just log in to check something.
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: mmm i see ok so is there a mod i can do to the phone itself
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Again, not a clue.  Doubt that there is, though you can try contacting the author of whatever app you're using and asking if they can put in mccp support (though it may be unlikely).
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: i dont mind if its not completely legal i just want to get a way to maximize my aard time
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Well, asking for illegal stuff is not appropriate here.  But again, legal or not, I don't have a clue regarding the information you seek...
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: ah good plan... there is source code available maybe i can do it myself haha
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: ah sorry for that part
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: maybe i can rig this java app a lil... but that can wait now off to a quest
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: whos good in mush client here :p
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's best to just ask your question ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: ok in short i screwed up in mush :p
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: and now i am back to zmud
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: but all the setting looks wierd to me atm
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: like.. there is always a {chan ch=tech} when i post on tech
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: ah tags
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if you're not using any tags in zmud, type tags off
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: nothing to do with mush per se
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: ok done for that :p
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if you just want to turn specific ones off, like channel tags, type tags for a list, and then tags <tagname> off for all the ones you want off
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: no , now i wanna ask now :P how do i save the setting of the mush
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: took me 30min to drag and pull ard
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: saves when you quit
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: i saved already
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: it jus goes back to default etc
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: so, ironically when it's good, close mush
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: might be a problem with writing -- are you using aard client? 
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: if it's installed in C: program files
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: that might cause the issue
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: i dl from fiendish web
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: so not too sure abt wads it
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: settings on cmud disappeared, is there any way to fix this corrupted .pkg
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Having opened the pkg file... have you attempted to copy all inside the pkg file, opening up notepad, pasting, then saving as a .pkg file and loading that?  (make sure you name it something else; you can always rename back to your main if it works)
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: haven't tried, will try
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli is just spitballing here, but hoepfully it'll work.
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i'd forgotten how much of a pain in the arse Seagate are with their warranties
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: anyone know how to reset the map of an area in mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: another day, another hd
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: kraken "mapper help"
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: Kraken, type mapper areas for the list of the names, then mapper purgezone <name>
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: cheers
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalisto Tech: how do i get rid of my stats displaying on my prompt it has everything, i think it was from some plugins i was using on my old comp with mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see 'help prompt'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type statmon, most likely
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ah, could be
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalisto Tech: woot thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: i'm trying to burn an iso, which is 4.49 gb, to a dvd+r, which is supposed to have 4.7 gb of space, and it says there's not enough space...what would cause that?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: overhead
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AmberLamps Tech: overburn on?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: it's a mac?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: maybe? what is that? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: no, pc
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AmberLamps Tech: you might want to look at your software for settings concerning overburn
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: hmm, k
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AmberLamps Tech: try turning it on
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: keep an eye out for evil clandestine mac terrorists
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: not seeing that option...what iso burning program would you recommend, that has it?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: power iso is great
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: imgburn
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: imgburn is good too
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: but don't allow to append sessions :)
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: doesn't *
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: is that something i'll need? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: only if you want to take previously burned cd and write something additional on it
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which you will never want to do. ever.
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anadorr Tech: I wouldn't be so certain :)
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: anyone know how to bring the q window back up in bast's plugins?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if i had to guess, request a quest
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruiner Tech: just tried it
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AmberLamps Tech: anyone know why i can't move a plugin's miniwindows around in the aard mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: cause the plugin didn't make them moveable
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AmberLamps Tech: well that sucks
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AmberLamps Tech: any way to make them moveable?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: sure, you need to edit the code though
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AmberLamps Tech: is it any easy fix or somewhat complicated?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AmberLamps Tech: i'm afraid coding isn't exactly something i'm good at
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: anything involving miniwindows is complicated
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AmberLamps Tech: that's pretty much the answer i was expecting
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: I dont think there are any of the plugins in the aard version that are not moveable?
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I haven't found one
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: don't think so, no
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AmberLamps Tech: no this is one of bast's plugins
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Delektra Tech: I run TinTin on the Mac. Works pretty well with VoiceOver, but I thought it'd be fun to make it play sounds [i.e [i.e] explosions when taking damage, growls of monsters, etc. Can this be done with AppleScript?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: applescript can play sounds, but why would you use applescript for that?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyon using vyatta?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: does ssh use less bandwidth than telnet?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You'll need to measure that. SSH usually compresses (which can reduce), and always encrypts (which can expand).
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: coz im trying to conserve bandwidth while playing from my phone and cant seem to figure a way out so will i get a compression bonus from ssh than
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you only get mccp bonus, but ssh compressing helps as well
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Er..
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not that the mud takes more bw without it
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If MCCP is any good at all, it'll eliminate all gain from SSH compression!
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: (and vice versa)
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It's usually a bad idea to compress twice.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: dunno. i mud over a ssh tunnel with compression enabled
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: gives me better routing and latency
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Yeah, and you most probably waste a bit of bandwidth by that. Not that it matters.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: never paid attention to the compression %
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Probably someone prioritizes SSH :-D
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: SSH does not compress, it encrypts
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: SSH can compress.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Cizra.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: From man ssh:
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: -C     Requests compression of all data (including stdin, stdout, stderr, and data for forwarded X11 and TCP connections).  The compression algorithm is the same used by gzip(1),
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Wouldn't double compression help at least a little?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It will probably harm at least a little.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yes, for forwarding, but not for regular data.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I'm MUDding over a _forwarded_ TCP connection, Ranrr.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ok. 
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Also, how do you explain the part "Requests compression of ALL data"? (emphasis mine)
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Probably makes you latency slightly higher.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Maybe I am wrong. Has happened before :)
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But it will probably make your latency higher, so I would not use it unless I have a low bandwodth connection.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: My suggestion: don't bother with SSH unless you need security. Rely on MCCP only for compression.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: or better routing (mileage may vary)
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: What do you mean?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i'm in estonia. i get better latency and routing when i use a tunnel to my vps in uk and connect from there rather than connecting directly to aard and let my isp do the routing
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's because in estonia they're watching you
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Actually not
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: err, you're confusing something, nuts
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Estonia was rated as the number one (or was it two?) country of net-freedom.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: that because in estonia inet is routed over morse code telegraph
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's what they want you to think, Putin still has his people on it
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: he said estonia, not the US
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iron Duck Chuft Tech: it's because estonia is too primitive to have an internet
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I suppose that could happen if you have a terrible ISP
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: our tcp/ip stacks are made of rocks
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: they have inet, but the networking techs are paid in turnips
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and we beat most european countries when it comes to it solutions :P
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: altho you've been catching up lately
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but not the final one
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Nah, I don't believe that...
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: You beat most european countries on IT solutions?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Within or outside of the EU?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Trurien blinks innocently.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: i'm thinkin finland would be pretty hard to beat
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Just because of one Finn? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: dunno. we do /everything/ online. from taxes to voting. i'm talking government services here
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: And yet you build your TCP/IP stacks with rocks.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and i believe we have (or had) one of the best wifi coverage in the world
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: all the best Finn's are in Ireland
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I want Seoul's wifi :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Good one, Xiucozcatl :D
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: we're a small nation in a small country. it's easy to implement stuff like that
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Small nation ... in a small country?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: estonia has one class C for the whole country ?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: you can be a small nation in a big country
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yes, I wish I could do confused/disapproval eyes for that
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: estonia has forests which makes estonia>you
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: classful IP was abolished in the 90s
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and bears
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: Canada for instances is moderate sized nation i big ountry
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: mm, bears
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Oh, that's the distinction you're making.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Do you mean Continent perhaps?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I'm from Singapore. We have both.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the UK is a moderate sized nation in a smal country
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: canada is a moderate nation on a big continent
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: damn crowded here
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: wish everyone would clear off from the UK
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'd quite like it back please
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: We're a small nation in a tiny country.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Tigernuts: sure, when you get UK citizens to cook curry you can have your country back.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: back from whom Tigernuts? 
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: shipp all the chavs to scotland and give the scots independance
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Or if you want you can live on shepherd's pie, bangers and mash, fish and chips for the rest of your life.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: back from the chavs
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: wtf is this distinction between nation and country o.O nation is a anthropological concept ->http://geography.about.com/cs/politicalgeog/a/statenation.htm
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: your book learning is unwelcome here
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Distinctions are made by convention. If you get to set the convention, then you can make whatever distinction you want :D
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: an*
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: book learning is always welcome
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Especially if it's e-book.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but it must be understood in context, and doesn't replace nouse
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Ooh, high falutin.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: i know im a geek when i download gig's of illegal books from torrents
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: then read them on my ipod
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Was that an admission of crime?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: never !
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Aha, you're french!
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I know I'm a geek when the first thing I do when I buy a real book is go get the torrent as well (to add to my mountains of 'free' torrents :-D  )
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Lasher is probably lucky you can't get Aard via torrent...
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You can probably get a mudclient via torrent...
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Haha.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: >.>
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I am not sure of the benefits of learning Lisp. I think it's supposed to be closer to natural language? :S
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cain killd Abelinc learned lithp
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Thing with that is is that most things these days are coded in like 4 or 5 main languages
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: me thoo
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Witch-king Sammael grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: And what did you learn from it, Abelinc/Ranrr?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I had a hard time with prolog... still don't quite understand it.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Did loads of differeng languages during my univ studies. Guess the main lesson was that it's easy to learn a new language, but hard to be a good programmer....
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Obviously English wasn't one of them.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli runs away in utter terror!
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I found Delphi easy to grasp due to me being an area builder here on Aard
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you're a builder?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Ofc
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: never finished my bloody conservatory, did you?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, he did Crynn's Church...
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Psh, I was busy building a church that rapes all of you
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Wait what? I'm ignoring Sammael. :D
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: It's a fun pupping place, OK :P I pupped there at SH
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nods, somewhere for the bottrains to go
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, but you cheat since you know the insides of the area.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: leaves everywhere else for us
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I also coded Astral Travels and Wedded Bliss, so not really inexperienced
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Etzli: Not really cheating if I can't get very far ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: did you write it in C?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Heh I can't get past Angarr/Villian.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Finally, Tigernuts gets what I was going for!
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Neither can I, Trurien.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why can't you? something wrong with you?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Oh, and the area was written in LUA
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Bad stats, eq, etc.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so flee out of the first, and retreat from the second
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: With 8k hp? Hardly.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Tigernuts: It would be cheating for only me to know a way past the aggies and no-one else
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: pfft
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well yeah, you can door straight to the soldier
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Sure, on a quest or a campaign.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: That too
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Decimator Tech: Does anyone know if there is a good mudding client for Linux systems that aren't using wine?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: zmud?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: tt++?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Decimator Tech: Ok, thank you
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what's wrong with using wine?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: interesting...why do some keys stop working when both shift keys are down? i can see all or none...
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what keys are we talking about?  More importantly, in what application?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, cmud at first, then i tested in notepad and the same keys stop working
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: which leaves the lead question...
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and a whole bunch of them...2, q, o, p, ], f, h, k, ;, z, x, b, m, , and .
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i was testing :P
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Works for me. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: are we talking simple usage of these keys, or are macros involved?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: simple usage of the keys, afaik you can't have macros in notepad
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i hold down both shift keys, press one of those keys that i listed, and nothing happens
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: they make both hardware and software addons that add macros to everything.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but other keys work fine...and it's the same keys that fail in cmud and in notepad
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, afaik i don't have any
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: no hotkey applications?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what kind of keyboard?  A standard-issue one like you'd get with a package computer, or is it an upgrade?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: standard one, hp
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: sounds like something failed, or perhaps HP is introducing a new feature MS-style
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, k
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's not a big deal, i don't press both shift keys very often :P was just strange
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: there isnt a calculator build into aard is there?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: hmm....is there a way I can get mush to tell me about the latest release again, if I ignored it?
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: from what i've read it should tell you about the latest release the next time a new release is released.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: right, but I actually want this release.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I just hit the wrong thing.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you could always download it manually...
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: not sure to be honest. i did same thing. not sure on the website addy though.
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: yeah, I'll go the manual route.  was just wondering if there was a quicker "click here" route.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brunhilde Tech: is anyone familiar with MuschClient and the database feature?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: database?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Fiendish is.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Brunhilde nods at Ebullient Etzli.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Fiendish is ok... not like he code mapper stuff though :p jk
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'm sure Nick Gammon is, too.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: try just asking instead of the does anyone/is anyone foreplay
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: You will never get answer to your question unless you ask it
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Since the Port was redone, in order to use mapper on the new port, do you have to purge the old one?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: preferably.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: mapper purgezone port
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: tks, no wonder a couple other areas arent working right :p
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you know where the key is to the final room, that'd be nice
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: 98/100 explored atm
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: hope the key isn't goal-only
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: not sure where the last door is, the others are pickable though
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: not all of them
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: was looking for a skinny kid :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: having people redo areas is like having family members move your stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: lol, nod
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: dont really see why they dont just add a new one instead
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: laziness
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: policy
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: probably takes just as much effort to redo as to write from the groun dup
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: was more confused at why they put goals in for areas they knew they were going to remove
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Yeah that's weird
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: right hand doesnt know what left hand is doing
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: now we've got a couple of good building imms, should be a bit more organised in future
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: nice logic there
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: i was never fond of the idea of players writing areas
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: I think it's great, anyone can contribute
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: though i'm glad Lumina is now in charge, her predecessor had a habit of screwing people's things up
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: how do i enable mccp mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It should be enabled by default.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: how do you know it's not already enabled ?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Type mccp
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: nevermind stupid q it is enabled
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: is there a way in aardwolf mushclient to make a parameter for an alias optional. currently I appear to need 2 alias' to cater for "spellup" and "spellup fred"
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: using regexes, yes.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: using what ?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: regular expressions
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: ok. hmmm. got an example ?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: there are a couple of spellup plugins around incidentally
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: yeah. spellup was just an example, but i'll want it for other things as well
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I don't have an example at hand, but this one should be good: ^cast_my_favorite_combat_spell ( .+)$
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: er, wait
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ^cast_my_favorite_combat_spell( .+)$
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: er, wait :-S
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ^cast_my_favorite_combat_spell( .+)?$
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Okay, I think this one might actually work. Maybe.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Lemme test (=
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: ^cast_my_favorite_combat_spell ?(.+)?$
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Er.. not perfect again. Any regex masters here?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what do you want to match?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I want to match an optional argument, dropping the space.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what would a line look like?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: i currently have ^aliasname (.*?)$   which works when supplying a parameter, but not with no parameter
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ^cast_my_favorite_combat_spell (.+) ?(.+)?$
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Norton, that's because you have a non-optional space in there!
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: winklewinkle lotsa spaces
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't understand what you're trying to match tho
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: ah!
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the patterns that don't work don't help much :P
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm assuming he wants 2 params?  
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: second is optional?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: no. i wanna type spellup       or spellup fred
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: or is the My_fave_spell  the spell name
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: oh my bad :)
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ^cast_foo ?(.*)$
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Winkle, now you can write "cast_fooblah"
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: .. and it'll match, I think.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ^spellup\s*(.*)$ perhaps
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Make it "^spellup\s*(\w+)?"
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: har
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: same problem
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Duckbat, what does \w match?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: duck, + = 1 or more. it's supposed to be optional
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: letters, cizra
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: It is Dagnir, notice the ? after (\w+)
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Okay, then it's got the same problem -- you can write spellupblah
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: non-greedy can match 0?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: ? means 0 or 1 result, if you put it after something in () it means optional
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hmm, yeah. i tend to use ? for greedy toggle rather than counting
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: I rather like ? than *
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Er.. Greedy toggle? Care to explain that one?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: regex is greedy by default, so it tries to match as much as it can before "moving on"
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: and how does ? help?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yeah. basically tells it to match something, but not try too hard
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Consider <a href="abc.html">abc</a><a href="def.html"></a>, if you make trigger "^(.*)</a>" it will match up to second not first if you make "^(.*?)</a>" it will mathc up to first
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: First example being greedy and second lazy
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: ok. ^spellup\s*(\w+)?  works....   but it causes conflicts with my spellupother alias   i guess my only option is to rename that
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: interesting.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: If you rename spellupother to spellup2 it should work
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: nah
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It'll trigger the first one again
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: That's because the space is optional
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Nope
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: and 2 will fill the \w+ part.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: 2 is a letter now? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: (assuming \w matches digits)
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: It won't
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: look. ^spellup\s*(\w+)?   matches both "spellup","spellup fred" and "spellupother fred"
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: But you can also change \s* to \s+, then both should work again
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Yeah, but then "spellup" wouldn't work for spellupping self.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Ah true
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: k. s+ works
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: My bad then :)
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Just rename spellupother to spellup2
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: yeah, but not for self
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: tell ya what. why don't i go back to zmud
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: How does zmud manage that?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: i have 2 alias called spellup and spellupother   parameters are always optional
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: it doesn't attempt to match a string to do an alias
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Just tested "^spellup(\s+(\w+))?$", %2 is target name
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Doesn't match spellupother
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: oooh. lemme try
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: And what does %1 give you? with or without spaces?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: When I tried, it was _with_ spaces
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: (which looks ugly)
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: %1 gives you target name with spaces before it
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: %2 gives without
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Sucks. Might as well move \s+ inside the inner ().
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Really? Cool!
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: If you move inside the parenthesis you can't remove spaces :)
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Because there will be no 2 different groups matches
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Because there will be no 2 different groups matched
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I didn't know %2 would work.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: ^spellup(\s+(\w+)?)?$    works perfectly
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: well. it'll work perfectly when i pass the optional parameter to spellupother    and if it doesn't exist, "spellupother " will still trigger
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: then it's spellupother's fault, not spellup's.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: spellupother is just an alias which i may or maynot want to call from spellup
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Fix its match pattern (=
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: i have.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Then it shouldn't get matched on that?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: the (\s+(\w+)?)?$ fixes it
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fantomex Tech: Does Justin Bieber use iPhone?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Who's that?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fantomex Tech: A wizard... r u a wizard?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Beven Tech: not if he is one
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: ok, i want to query the gmcp data to find my character's race to use in a script run from an alias. but i can't see where the data is stored. any clues ?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: mushclient this is
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I think wiki lists this information.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: actually, that getting gmcp data from mush can be a pain because the plugin calls back to plugins, and not to scripts
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: so getting data is one thing, but operating when it changes is another
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: why does my chat bar keep minimizing when i type i have to drag it back up every time ?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xares Tech: anyone ?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scartol Tech: anyone use Mudlet?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Raoden Tech: Not anymore, but I have used it.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think few people use mudlet, because Wine handily satisfies needs for cross platform compatibility.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Xares, in mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: people should stick around more than 35 minutes after asking technical questions :\
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: people should start with technical questions in the first place
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well there's that, but Xares did start with the question and just didn't get an answer
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it was a question that, assuming he's using mushclient, is easily answered by http://tinyurl.com/aardclientfaq
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: kids these days don't know about rftm
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I don't think his Q is answered by the FAQ
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but would need clarification of "chat bar"
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I assume he meant input bar
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's the only thing that marginally made sense to me
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: anyone know why my space bar deletes anything in front of it if I backspace then use it?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phlip Tech: hit the insert button
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dantin Tech: Thanks :D
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phlip Tech: yep :)
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: k. sorry to have been a pain all day, its a steep lurning curve to convert from zmud to mushclient after the number of years i've been using zmud.    i've searched for ages now, but can't figure out how to get rid of the aard logo in my output window.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That's the background image.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: yeah.  i don't want it. i'd rather have pure black
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Give me a couple of minutes here.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: i'm a ex-zmudder and after a few months, you stop noticing it
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: <------ lazy
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: trust me. i won't
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I'd do it the lazy way and put a black image in place of worlds\plugins\images\aardbg13.png
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: alternatively you'd have to modify aard_layout.xml
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Can't you just delete (or rename) the logo file? I vaguely remember mention of it. Looking on the change log it mentions that the main window was fixed to not assume the logo image exists, but not sure if that implies the same thing.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: yeah. i just moved em into a new folder.   no error messages
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: yeah. i just moved em into a new folder.   no error messages
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can't hurt to give it a try renaming it
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: ooops.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Actually, you can just go to the Aard Layout plugin and change the background there.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then you'd have to know what you're modifying...there's no interface for it
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Just search for aardbg13 and change it to an image you're more comfortable with.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: directly modifying a plugin is a last resort. every update would revert it back.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'll have to give it a try, might speed up my vnc session slightly, not having a static background behind the scrolling text.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Fiendish should include an easier way to change the background, though, for cases like this.  Might want to suggest it to him.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Anyway, off to another call.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just tried it, no more logo and vnc seems to be a bit snappier, although I could just be imagining it.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: in zmud, ctrl-R  turned off parsing. is there an equiv in mushclient ?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you could disable aliases
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: in CTRL- SHIFT- 9
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: well. that won't help for stuff that contains 
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: semi-colon
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: oh.. in that case start the command like with a semi-colon
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: like ;this ;is;an;example
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: yeah. that works
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: np
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: http://pastebin.com/yYrajRkr what do you think?  is my decimal approach alright?
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i would have used pushw but only long instructions overwrite the upper 32 bits and i didn't want to confuse things
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: somebody said i should learn numbers for my gnome calculator so i figured it out with the calculator
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: Is this homework? We aren't allowed to help you with homework. ... Oh, duh! That's Wikipedia. NVM Rock on.
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: just a hobby
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: why do it in assembler, thats just masochism
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i guess that's something like scanf or atoi would do
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but the compiler does it in assembler, so it's good to know
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: only if you are writing an operating system
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: motorola format asmebler on intel platform is waste of time
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's at&t syntax
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: learm ARM assembler, thats actually useful
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i might some day
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: if i have something that uses it
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: ARM = low power devices, ie phones
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: hmm, maybe routers too
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: and embedded systems
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: thats where the money is
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: intel processors are pretty complex, i'd wager risc and arm aren't quite as diverse instruction wise
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but i'd be willing to learn whatever would get me a job
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: uh, yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: RISC = reduced instruction set
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: more restrictive on alignment and things like that though
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it's sick to look at something like this and realize you can do that in one line of c
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: or other language
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: yeah someone wrote the standard library a long time ago so you dont have to waste time redoing this
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: one thing i found interesting with gcc, is that when it generates assembly language, it'll have a .rodata section for a string constant - and when moving the address/symbol for that string for printf, it will use the movl instruction with a 48 bit address space
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i wonder if you had something like 5 gb of ro data in that file if it would use a movl instruction
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the heap and the stack are randomized every program
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but it knows those addresses will be 4 bytes
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: wow tech was so quite while you were gone
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: got it working! ha, http://pastebin.com/HNqEnZ7d
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's atoi with some absence of error checking and unoptimized stuff that takes octal, hex, binary and decimal, with some missing files
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that's what i call ballistic
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shifty Domain Tech: tech -h 10
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: -h 10
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle plays the fail song.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shifty Domain Tech: anyone familiar with pci vs pci express know if an old pci card will fit into a pcie x16
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I suppose not. Not sure, though.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm pretty sure they are completely different technology
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: but you never know your luck....
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If it doesn't fit, your hammer must be too small!
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shifty Domain nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Shifty Domain looks at Cizra and goes "Heh."
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle laughs out loud at Cizra.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shifty Domain Tech: anyone up to date with how gateway computers are these days? good, average, crap?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Like... routers?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: or is that a brand name?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: the cow box brand :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shifty Domain Tech: Gateway is the brand, desktop is the type :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: If for any reason anyone wants to learn regular expression.. this is the site that taught me everything... bookmark it...  http://www.regular-expressions.info
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Trurien goes, "Whee!"
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: thanks for that link winkle
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: i needed something to keep me from doing work today :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: And Aard wasn't enough?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what's good about it, is that it walks you through the mind of a regular expression engine.. so you can see how it works on the inside
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: Hrm, what is the best way to down load an aweful lot of files in one go?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Jdownloader.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: wget -r2 -l
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: there's a firefox plugin called DTA (Download Them All) that will let you download a batch of files.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: Let's try this again, using only IE9.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Totally free, supports a lot of media sharing sites, and you can basically set it and forget it (except for filesonic/fileserve/hotfile, sites that require you to enter captcha info all the time)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: oh hmm.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: Pacman gave me a HUGE list of urls to download.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Sorry, I don't use crap browsers.  I use external programs. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But if you were to copy all those urls, jdownloader would get them all, check their availability, and start downloading.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: It's not my computer :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yet you're downloading Pacman.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Makes sense to me.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I'm assuming by Pacman you don't mean the package manager for Arch Linux.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: I do.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Oh, so you're downloading packages for upgrade back home?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: I have Arch on my main comp, which doesn't have network connection.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: Yup.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Ah, OK.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You should fix that. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: It's not my fault.  My parents are way too suppressive on me.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Maybe he's trying to :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli comforts Narlo.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: I'm trying to make a live cd with various stuffs on.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Is this a work comp, or a friend's comp?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: It's a 'family comp'
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: I don't know how I got myself in this position.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So download jdownloader, get what you need, uninstall.  Only thing I can think of to get them all at once instead of having to do each individually.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: By not using Debian?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: I cannot run a single application other than IE.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Strange.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Ask someone to tar the files up and download the tarball?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'd do it if I weren't tethering... I'd drop it into my dropbox account and let you download from there, but meh.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: speaking of dropbox... is there a dropbox app for android platforms? ie (galaxy tab)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: There should be, I think. Check your market?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: don't have a galaxy tab yet, but looking to get one
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: There is... I have it. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: awesome
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: I'm tired of having to sync all my D&D stuff between laptop, home desktop, and work desktop
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: is someone know why i cant see my miniwin event window?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i tried to reintall it and disable-enable it but still cant see it
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: there's a problem with that particular miniwindow you're using
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: odd, my events one is working fine
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: ignore me.. i'm in a stupid mood
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ok so my pc goes off most of the time do i need a bigger psu or a new 1?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Could be somthing else too
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: like cause it goes off then i put it on and it works fine
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: can you be more accurate than "goes off"
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ok so it goes on then it just shuts down by itself  then when i put it on again it works fine is that accurate?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: could be ram also
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: shuts it self down, or crashes out? 
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Check the psu, heat, and cpu to start
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: what operating system
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli misses his old POST tester.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: on that note. anyone have a clue where i can get a listing of the beep codes for a gigabyte mobo? think it has award bios. have already trawled google but no joy
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: could be the mains electricity stalling for a minute -- could be God telling you that you play too much aardwolf
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: got windows xp . And it like before it shows the loading it goes off. And how do i check the heat ect + i aard on my phone swalec
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Ozu, obviously not well enough: http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/awardbeep.htm
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: First link I found looking for the post beep codes.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Check the heat with the old 'hand-on-the-case' method - check the fans, dust also
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Check the psu by...well take it out and find yourself an electrician or comp tech
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: thanks etzli. think my mistake was putting in the mobo model and make as well instead of just searching for award beeps. oh well
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: so it looks like it is crashing before it boots
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: My google-fu is brown belt quality! :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: the case is cold fans work 100% and cant open my pc or warrenty expires
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: What are specs and what is psu ?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: if it's under warranty take it in to the shop
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If it's on warranty just use the warranty o.O
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: could be crashing
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I don't understand.  What's the point of having an electronic device you _haven't_ voided the warranty on?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Not an Imm Erikson.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I void the warranty on any electronic device I own immediately.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: if it is running XP it is unlikely to still be in warranty period
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Irys giggles at Not an Imm Erikson's actions.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: It's important to video tape it, just in case there's any future question.  Cackling is optional, but recommended.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Unless it's a store policy to cover warranties on used computers...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I know of some computer repair shops that sell computers and have their own warranty of a year or so (since it's refurbished computers) and they only put what the system can actually hold.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: it has a warrenty because a month ago my pc just stoped working
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the problem is that you cannot really diagnose anything at all, until you have a operating system running
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Sounds like you don't need to be near a PC then if this is the second PC in a month to stop working.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You can diagnose a lot of things without an OS running.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: so I would boot of a CD-ROM and see if that worked
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Actually, you could probably make good money at that.  Just find some company with old-but-still-warrantied equipment they'd like to replace, and get them to pay you to sit in front of it a while.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You can diagnose the voltage from the PSU, for instance.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: Etzli I don't think so -- if he had the technical expertise for this, I don't think that he would be asking here
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: the pc worked fine when i put it on when i woke up it started like cuting out
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You can listen to the BIOS beeps and see if it returns an error code that way.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'm just saying that you can diagnose without an OS.  In his case, probably not.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: can it turn on?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if it's still under warranty just send it to them
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: we in furious agreement then
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If it's turning on but then cutting out afterwards, you're probably overheating your CPU or something.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: yes its on right now or could it just be the power cable shorting out
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli grins evilly at Swalec.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: or psu might be starting to fail
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: oerheating CPU during boot? 
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you can't open your case without voiding warranty, there's not much you can do for hardware problems :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Swalec: I think he means that it's staying on for a period of time, but then after a while, it cuts off.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so just send it in
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: does it get past the BIOS screen -- do you see the "Windowws booting stuff"
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Redryn.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If you don't want to use the warranty, what do you care about voiding it...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Your options right now are to either open the case and try to fix it yourself or use the warranty.  That is what they are there for.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: no it stays on put when i put it off and try puting it on later it cuts out then i works fine
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But anything we suggest is most likely going to void your warranty.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Unless you are sneaky...like a fox
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: The one I just killed in Nottingham?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You're not being very clear about what you're saying.  You're saying it comes on then cuts off, then you say it comes on, but when you turn it off and try to turn it back on it doesn't work, etc.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ok right now its on 100% when i turn it off and turn it on later it will cut out 1 time then when i put it on after the cuting out it works 100% 
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So you're saying that it doesn't fully boot the first time you turn it on from the last time you turned it off...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Almost certainly memory, cpu or bios then - slight possibility psu (in case that wasn't broad enough :-D  )
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: How exactly are you turning it off?  Are you going to Start->Shutdown and waiting for it to completely shut down, are you pulling the plug, hitting the on/off switch on the surge protector?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: yes it doesnt make it to the loading screen
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Which loading screen? Text, or xp logo?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You have the BIOS loading screen and the XP loading screen.  Does it go through BIOS then shut off?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: to me, if it ever turns on, the it looks like his OS is balked
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: possibly with HD problems
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: start/shut down it goes off no pulling the plug or anything it goes off when i turn it off through start
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Again, do you see lots of lines of text before it goes?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: goes through the bios now and then
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Intermittent? 99% memory issues
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: huh
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Either HDD, RAM or the CPU
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'd use that warranty myself
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Heh... run /scannow sfctech /fixmbr, /scannow sfc, ckdisk... :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Meh.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: for sure -- the computer is useless as it stands, so why not take it back
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: if its the cpu should i take it out and clean it if it dusty? Cause ram and hdd i can easily replace
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ummm...no
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Once again - warranty - use it
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You shouldn't have to "clean" the cpu.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: And if you did that, you'd void the warranty anyway, which is what you've been so against so far.  So.  USE. THE. DAMN. WARRANTY.  No offense, but I doubt you're tech savvy enough to even know what to do when you opened the case anyway.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: the warranty is for ram and hdd its written on the seal 
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Partial component warranty? You got shafted man :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: See, details.  You don't tell us any details, so you can't expect us to read your mind.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: uhm acctually i can open a pc take anything out strip it down put it back so replace anything that needs to be replaced
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You asked if dusting a CPU would fix it - I wouldn't want you anywhere near my tech...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, but can you connect all the plugs to the right place? :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Vakieh.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: In any case, the $50 you'd spend on a diagnosis from a computer store would help you a lot
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: The only part of a CPU that should get "dusty" is the fan or heat sink. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: yes i can etzil and vakieh my cpu is like cloged thats why i asked
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: IF your CPU is clogged, then you have other problems.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Remember I asked you about the fan and the dust? You should fix that then
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hopefully, you're referring to your heat sink.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: look i dont know alot but i know my cpu when i had windows 7 was overheating or something cause of dust so just wanna know it cleaning it wont help
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli misses the computer repair competitions he used to be in a few years back.  "Taking apart a computer and putting it back together in under 5-6 minutes was awesome. :D"
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You're missing the point.  It's NOT your cpu that has dust.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: then what is it that has dust?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Hopefully the fan/heatsink
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Because if it does, if your CPU pins are caked in dust, then you've got other problems.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Dust isn't the problem
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: And nothing silver coloured (If the case + contents aren't giving off heat, it most likely is something else)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: maybe its just my cable cause right now i see the cats playing with the wires?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vakieh gives up after cats happened
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: The things you'll want to swap out to test would be the HDD (I'd do that first, to be honest), followed by RAM, and lastly the PSU.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: from what i've seen psu's fail the most often
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: then hdd
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Oh, cats are involved?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Dear lord.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but personal experience only
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: yes cats acctually kittens. . .
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Redryn.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That is true.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I tend to put the PSU last because I do tend to have more HDDs and RAM than PSUs. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: has to be cpu my pc like 3 years old
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: psu*
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Easy fixed - have multiple hdds in the compy
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Then why ask us for advice if you're so sure of it yourself?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You have a +3 year warranty???
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: no vakieh i sent my pc in last month and came back with warranty. . .
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: What did they do last month then...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: + the reason i asked was to make sure its psu. Upgraded the ram,hdd and cpu to quad core
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you want to make sure test your psu
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: how do i test it
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If they upgraded your CPU just last month, the heatsink/fan should not be caked in dirt.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: How would asking for advice like this guarantee a diagnosis? We can only give a best guess from however many thousand k's from the PC we are...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: To test the PSU, just... swap it out with a new one.  Might also check the power cord itself.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Short answer for the PSU - buy a current tester, look up the specs for the unit online, and test to make sure they match
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Vakieh.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can't do anything if your case is sealed
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so just send it in
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: But swapping usually works also
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: they should do diagnosis under warranty too
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torio Tech: ok thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: is someone around using miniwin_event window?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: is someone around who use miniwin_event window?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Try again in half an hour, or maybe just ask your question?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: he can't see it
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: who is the author for that? bast?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I think I saw this before too, wasn't it somewhat answered already?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I use it, what's the problem?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i cant see the window
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: it was all black..i click on it...and after that it dissapear
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: write a note to the author
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i tried to reinstall it..to enable and disable it..nothing work
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've had that, window goes completely black, reloading mushclient fixes it for me. Seems to happen occasionally, mainly on bast's event and spellup windows, but I've seen it once on a fiendish plugin too. Fiendish was looking into it last time I mentioned it.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: yea...i can see my spellup window..roomchar window...but cant see the events window
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Has it not come back on reload?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Have you tried cp check and quest info? Sometimes it doesn't reappear until you do that iirc.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I have had this issue reported at: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/issues/detail?id=92 and the only fix is to restart MUSHclient, I have found nothing to suggest a bug in my code, but I am still trying to troubleshoot it.  I cannot reproduce it on any of my installations.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: dude was prolly porning
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: could it be a redraw issue perhaps?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i had tried with restart mush...but it still dosent worked...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I don't know, I can't reproduce it in the any of the 5 (test, couple mains, a couple of different versions of the Aardwolf MUSHclient) different installations I have.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I've seen it once with fiendish's healthbar plugin too, reported it to fiendish along with a screenshot and some info, since it looks like a mush problem, not a specific problem with your plugins. I usually get it once every few days but sometimes as many as 3 times in a few hours. Apart from healthbar, it's only miniwin_spellup and miniwin_events. I think fiendish said he'd seen it in the mapper too.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: Used to happen to me with the quest miniwin, it seemed to be color related. But it has never happened with events.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: MosiFoca: What version of the Aardwolf client are you running?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Also, in case it helps, I haven't seen the crash, tick timer or planesmob problems mentioned in the report on your site, so they might not be relevant. The windows still keep working, just don't display. When it happens to miniwin_spellup I can move the mouse around and click, the pointer changes as normal and the window resizes, just black. Spells keep casting fine. Reinstalling and remove/add on the plugin don't fix it, only a reload of the client.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: howdy all
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: well hello
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phlip Tech: howdy
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: HEEEEE-HAAAAAAAW!
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: have a question?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: im writing a new mud client and am shopping for a game to function as a test bed for it...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what platform?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: javascript
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: its got a little java applet shim for socket functions right now
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: javascript telnet.. interesting....
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You're looking for a game to test your MUD client?  Uh, why not Aardwolf? :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well it works fine...(ok mxp is currently a bit dodg)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well im wondering how open aardwolf might be to adding additonal markup
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: like what?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well for instance paging
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: can you be more specific?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: as aard has paging
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: tech bother one sec phone
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: terribly sorry to all you guys about that
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: gotta pay the bills
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but for example, it would be nice if you got a markup notification like <item name='foo' container='bag234324' /> any time an itme moved between containers
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that info exists
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: help invmon ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: help invmon, help statmon, help tags, help invdata for all sorts of neat toys :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: slist....
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and of course since this is a ground-up client write, you'll want to have it support GMCP
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: haven't hard of gmcp
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: google knows though
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: help gmcp, nice resources at the URL there
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: oh wow.. go to the aard wiki and read up on gmcp.. there is nearly all your data right there
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: well... a lot of it
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: aard has great documentation ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd ask what the purpose of the project is to start, though...if it's a learning exercise, great...if it's to create the next great MUD client, I'd suggest latching onto one of the source-available clients that exist already :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or if it's to do a webpage-based client, there is a good need for decent ones...the java and flash ones are meh
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i've already went over mushclient and I didn't know until recently about cmud
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well i want a javascript client that's written like a thick app and not like a chat program
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: you realize what you just said is kind of like "Hey guys, I'm writing a search engine. I didnt know until recently about Google."
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: why does it have to be a web app using javascript?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: because web apps are great at markup?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MUSHclient is an open-source client so you can d/l the source there & look around...it uses MS libraries though, so compiling can be an exercise
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: one feature I'd suggest (in addition to the ones we covered)...incorporate zlib to negotiate and support mccp
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does it support GMCP?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I'm not sure how a web app is better than any other app at markup?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: and xterm color
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well I like the DOM for one thing
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and folks more or less know how it works :)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and there is a nice scripting language built in :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ooh json
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the gmcp page mentions clients that support gmcp as cmud, mushclient, mudlet, tintin++ & tinyfugue
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: there's already javascript, ajax and html5 clients.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: not that you can't improve on them, but at least study them first.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Druzx Tech: reverse engineer them to leverage what works
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i would say you need to use a fully operation client for a bit before you start to write this one
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if you didn't know about gmcp, then you pretty much dont' know even the basics of aard communications.. that's not a good basis to start on.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Druzx Tech: thats true..but, only assuming he wants to make a client for aard...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: a fully operational client :P? I've used mushclient off and on for 10 years and it never poppuped up a banner that said "psst we support this go find a supporting mud
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard or any of the number of modern MUD servers that support the open standard...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: GMCP wasn't an aard creation ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it's not a household name AFAIK in the mud world
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nowadays, it is
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: either way, check out the Aard GMCP page as it includes some of our testport debug stuff that might help you.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i've talked to pennmush, coffeemud, and evennia folks in the last month about thick clients and none of htem have mentioned it
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when pretty much 98% of the population playing MUDs are playing on a GMCP-enabled server...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: it really isn't, was meant to become a "standard" but afaik only use and Iron Realms really used it. Too many arguments over the standard and MSDP was competing with it.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: only us and Iron Realms that is
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I mean it's not saying that it isn't great stuff, just that I haven't heard of it
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: don't feel bad, it hasn't heard of you either.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: the two of you should get to know each other, if only enough to rule out a relationship. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: tech most not be anything too important hten
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ronus P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ronus P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: bahh strip()ing my spaces
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: pssst.. buy it flowers!
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: are both standards still surviving in paralell or did MDSP flounder?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: take a peek around mudstandards.org...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: looking now, but err, just because its a standard doesn't mean anyone is using it
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: looking around there will help you get to the answer...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so aardwolf and iron realms have gdsp support and ... mdcp supportted by...?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: support it or don't, we're trying to help you but ultimately don't care.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: those are forums, not really standards
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: mushclient does, mudlet does, cmud does, zmud does via a proxy, blowtorch does, etc etc etc.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: what about on servers though?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and more importantly servers actually in use
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: if you care about support for *this* mud (and you may not), don't bother showing up without it.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle is agreeing with that Ironfist Razor person again...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: again, check out who is posting to the forums, and the statements made by them to see how the talks progressed...the good thing about the forums is that they have participation by MUD coders and client coders alike
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well i'm seeing 0 posts since July 24/2010
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: tech mudbytes seems to be more current
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'm really liking what I see of GMCP
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: standard telent handshake and then lets shove some data via json
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: now only if this stupid web browser had some tools for parsing json :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i thought web apps handled markup better?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: umm, i'm not really anticipating much trouble in calling eval()
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: as long as you love being vulnerable to injection
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: from my server absolutely
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and if a game is not cleaning up their markup before shoving it over json then clients are going to be vulnerable
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not good clients
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i dont consider a client that doesn't honor markup as written "good" in a technical sense
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as opposed to one that doesn't know data from instruction...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: There is regex out there that checks if a string is valid json.  It's a decent idea to check before eval'ing anything.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ay, checking the validity of the json is probably a good idea :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: JSON.parse() >>>>>> eval()
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so in practical terms, will virtually 100% of the json that comes out of aard actually be json?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it'll be perfectly formed.. yes
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the GMCP wiki page gives examples of every type of message sent from Aard :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it looks very sane
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Anyone know how to add images in one Wikipedia from the matching Wikipedia article in another language?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: tech oh bless the soul of whoever decided all encodings must be utf-8
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: you would expect 
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Trurien: If you know the file name and it's stored on the Wikipedia servers, then wouldn't you be able to to something like: [[File:Wikipedia-v2-logo.svg|frameless|150px|alt=White sphere made of large jigsaw pieces. Letters from many alphabets are shown on the pieces.]]<br />[[File:Wikipedia wordmark.svg|150px|Wikipedia wordmark]] -- (Example taken from wikipedia page...)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Etzli: tried that, didn't work for the file in question. Not sure how it's uploaded onto the Wikipedia servers.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I found a [[:en:Image:English_Image.png]] as well but that didn't work either.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, didja change the "en"?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I'm trying to include the picture from the english Wiki onto the German one, so.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so tech so I put gmcp support in my crappy client and you guys stop being mad at me, deal? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: deal :)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: who's mad?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: be on in half an hour or so
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: whee for crappy debugging proxys
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quiet Nuala Tech: How can I change the colors on a capture window in Cmud, when I change the colors in Options it only changes colors for the main window?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I believe you can change color options for each window separately.  Open up Preferences, then click on the window you want to edit preferences for so that the Preferences window points to that window.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: alternatively, there's a dropdown list in the upper left corner that lists all the modules by name, as well as the default stuff.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quiet Nuala Tech: Sorry if I seem thick, but where is preferences?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quiet Nuala Tech: I found it!
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: under the Options menu, or if you have the main toolbar visible it's a big giant button that says Prefs ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: whee i'm getting gmcp now
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ok so now i'm getting ticks and repops, do i need to do something else to subscribe to other gmcp channels?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: Question about the mushclient mapper
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: or possible "idea"
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: anything like mapcount area
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: so you can say how many rooms are in current area?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: would be nice so I could see if some need mapped or not
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: You can just 'mapper area ' and it'll give you a count.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: ok cool thatll work
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thanks jhav
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: do i need to do something to subscribe to vitals?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: i just upgraded from the mush package r1040 to r1309, is there an easy way to import my mapper data ?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Yes, check out the aard web site, there's a guide to upgrading that tells you how to copy mapper data, aliases etc.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ahh think i found my issue
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: not seeing the guide to upgrading anywhere obvious, any more clues ?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm part way down starting at the section 'Upgrading the client'
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: gotcha thx
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: i have pictures i want to send in an email. my isp limits emails to 2mb. the pictures are between 2.4 -2.9mb. compressing them does not get them down to under 2mb. any suggestions?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Multiple file zip archive?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: resize the pictures
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: What format are the pictures in? Recoding as gif or jpeg might help
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: the .zip ended up being 36mb and if i zip each one individually they are still over 2mb. i need the pictures to be large for apprasial of a piano i recently acquired.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: they are jpeg
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: No, you can split archives of even only one file into multiples - WinZip and WinRAR can both do it, probably 7zip as well (of like 100kb each if you really wanted to)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Might be worth trying saving them with higher jpeg compression, it'll reduce image quality a bit. Make sure you keep the originals though.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: when you are zipping them up tell it to "span multiple disks" and you should be able to limit the individual archive size to 1.44mb each
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: you'll end up with a bunch of zips though, easier to set up a gmail account and use that
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: i was wondering about an alternate email. and if i split the .zips up i'll end up with like 50 .zips to send wouldnt i?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: yea
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: or you could upload the images to a dropbox folder, and share the folder with the person you're sending the images to
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle is agreeing with that Irys person again...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: or post them on picasaweb or flickr
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: I just set up a dropbox account for my D&D stuff, it's easy
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: and you can have up to 2GB on the free version
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: what exactly is a dropbox.. i really dont do emails lol
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: http://db.tt/YK7punS
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Galindar Tech: ty.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: that link takes you to dropbox
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: dropbox is a saviour
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: just encrypt anything you value
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: i also try to take things down as soon as possible
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: making progress, getting crashes on almost every chat msg though i suspect due to control chars in the msg envelope
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: can someone say something back :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: something back
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yeah its char 27 in there
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: back something
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: char 27 is apparently a control character in most json parsers
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: isnt ascii 27 ESC ?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it is
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: so it's prob ansi color codes
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it is, but err, i'm thinking i shouildn't be parsing for ansi during json?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: meh i know nothing of json
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ansi codes have no business in this kind of markup imo
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can change that behavior
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ooh, can i do it via supports?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "prot gmcp rawcolor", then you'll see things like @rred and @ggreen
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and can have your client interpret the @codes from help color
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I dunno offhand what it sends with gmcp rawcolor set with xterm256 colors...I'd imagine the @x123 code
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: thinking im gonna just swap it for a reserved unicode character and then parse the things later
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but if a player's name is red i'd greatly prefer to get some kind of vitals report on him with his new name color
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you get that automatically with the group package
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: player's names aren't in color, just channel text can be colored
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ahh, well whatever the case is then
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I dunno if it's any easier doing the parsing on the raw json string, but the group.members list was a pain to split up from the cmud-parsed %gmcp string
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, shouldn't be too bad, there's a number-of-members value sent
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's what I am specifically referring to.  JSON allows for nesting of stringlist values, so you end up with something like """"""scott="hp="..."..."""""
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -l
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: why is that ugly? does cmud not parse it to a json obj for you?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: cmud gets sent the JSON string, then helpfully parses that down so that you only need to reference a variable that points to somewhere in that string--ie, %gmcp.char.vitals.hp.  The group package, if I recall, has the group stats (leader, name, public/private state, etc) and members.  Members is just a stringlist of stringlists, which you cannot directly point to via the %gmcp syntax.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: basically, group.members isn't so smartly designed as it probably should be.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: looks good on the wiki
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: looks like it should be a list of group members
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is zmud flattening it?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's not, it's a list of group members wherein each member of the list is a stringlist of the various pieces of info (hp/mana/moves, quest state, quest time, etc)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: not zmud, no. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: is there a way to limit "mapper find" commands to current area ?   (aard mush package)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: CMud isn't flattening it, but group.members has introduced a quirk it doesn't quite handle.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: mapper area
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does the output from group.members look like http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/GMCP
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: groovy thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's what Aard is sending, and which CMud parses into the %gmcp structure.  Regardless of whether I *can* receive that string for scripting purposes, I don't bother doing so because CMud already handles that and gives me something easier.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is there a paging channel that will encapsulate pages?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: err paging
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you mean paging as in "page abelinc hey", it comes through the tell channel
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: GMCP: comm.channel { "chan": "tell", "msg": "You beep yourself 'test'", "player": "Abelinc" }
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: What's the MUSH ColourNote command that allows multiple colors?  And... what was the syntax again?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: ColourTell("Fore", "Back", "message") and so on
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Thanks, Kuro.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: How would I sub one part of the line, keeping the colors for the rest of the line?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: (In MUSH)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Ugh.  Apparently, it's going to take more that what I can figure out to recreate my flagsub trigger in MUSH. :\
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what's a flagsub trigger?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Etzli, safe substitution in mushclient is currently...uh...not completely possible
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: In CMUD, I have it where it changes (K)(M)(I)(G)(H)  to (KMGH)
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: support my last post in this thread :p http://mushclient.com/forum/?id=6356&page=999
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ooh, that's a good idea :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: wanna share that etz? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Someone suggested TriggerStyleRuns, but I couldn't make heads nor tails of it anyway.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Sure, Myrkul.  Give me a minute.  And for non-invis items, it just makes the () gray instead of white.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yes.. share the love once you ahve it working
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: For CMUD users only... http://pastebin.com/5uDzJRmt
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: does that work on any occurrance, or just in particular situations (ie, room objs)?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Works on any occurence.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I just prevent myself from ever using the inventory or equipment commands entirely (subbing in the relevant *data command instead), so I only have to worry about room objs
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: The only problem I've had with it is when someone starts a line with " I". :\
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: so, imm restores, basically?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or when someone indents a paragraph in a note...
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But the line would have to start with a space and an I.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, it doesn't do exactly what i thought :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli peers intently at The Reaper Myrkul.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It does exactly what I said it does. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: does a plugin/script exist that automatically opens doors and resumes speedruns from the mapper plugin using mushclient, or do i have to write it myself?
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: cause mapper-ing my way around before i get passdoor is painful
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zopiclone Tech: you can add the door as a custom exit, i believe
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: lol in aard mush the command is mapper cexit open n;;n
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: omg that's a fantastic idea :o just make the custom exit open north, north for example.
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: yes yes hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it'll only take about 2 morts to map them all
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: that's what i'm thinking now.. i might want to just edit the script
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the only downside is that eventually Fiendish will get around to introducing a door feature, and you'll go around redoing it all. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: unless that wasn't sarcastic, i guess two morts isn't that much lol
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you will want to use cexits.. and then a mort later you will discover mapper portals
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it actually wasn't sarcastic... but was also warning it wasn't a quick fix.. get the passdoor wish if you want a quick fix
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: tbh i don't know where or how to get portals
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: i know that they go for ridiculous sums of money in the auction system so they can't be all that common
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: most are in fact common
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zopiclone Tech: depends on the portal
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish stretches luxuriously.  Kinda makes you want to doesn't it? 
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: is there a way to save a table as a variable, in MUSH?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes, you serialize it
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Hi techland! Two qs on the Bast spellup plugin if you will: Can clan skills with a reported trained % of 0 be used with the plugin? and has anyone been able to get Pass Without Trace to work? It sends 'Pass' and I get the passout social :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: no it cannot be used, for clan skills
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: put pass without trace in quotation marks
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: for pass without trace use the sn? 
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: helpfile says Syntax: trace
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: alias pass trace --> Problem solved
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: kk, I used 'bsp sadd all' and it added it automatically - will try with sn
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Damnit - added via 'bsp sadd trace' and 'bsp add 226' and still getting passout social :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Again, ... alias pass trace
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: mudside alias, you're good.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Whoops, missed that suggestion - thanks (Here's hoping bsp sends to Execute)
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If it's sending skill names already, then it'll execute the pass.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: Hrm, nany way to make Aardwolf respond to BS?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Narlo Tech: Does anyone know how I could get archiso offline?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: another player? write a note
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: hrmm, im in the newbie area and im moving between rooms and coords aren't changing, any reason for that?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: the ids on the exits change
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Coords don't change within areas, as far as I know.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -l
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: Anyone know how to turn the volume down on MUSHclient sound triggers?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: use the PlaySound function instead
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: The triggers work just fine though, all I want is them to be a little quieter in comparison to other computer sounds.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: then use your sound panel to turn down mushclient.exe of use the PlaySound function that allows you to adjust volume setting
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: OS soundpanel i mean
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: Well....that's what I tried but...apparently MUSHclient doesn't appear in OS sound panel
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gregor Tech: anyway, thanks I'll use playsound.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: in aardMUSHclient how do I export all of my settings/alias so that when I update to a new version I don't lose anything?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: look here for the Upgrading section: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: thanks bast
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: np
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Irys . o O ( someone should write a plugin/app to streamline the upgrade process )
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: anyone created a mapperdb reader for outside fo the mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i wrote in in-game extender for it.. to query it in different ways
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's just an sqlite database, there's plenty of free sqlite browsers out there
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: reader in what way? it's a vanilla SQLite database
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: well i was wanting to use it to make web based maps like emerald, there are a few places not mapped yet
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: wanted to offer up the area
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: in MUSHclient, how do you call a variable from an alias
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: ariable
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: @variable
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gaardian's maps are database-driven, but it's a different database than MUSHclient
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: thanks doc
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: local someVar = GetVariable("myvar")
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: i was just wanting to publish empys
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have the expand variables checkbox checked and you don't need to use scripting language
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that value wont update though..
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: calling a variable doesn't need update
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's a straight text substitution at run time, so if the value changes, @variable won't.. GetVariable() is safer
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you don't know what he's plannign on doing with it
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes it will
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no it won't.. I've tested it
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've used it all over the place for testing, never had a problem with it updating
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if you do a setvariable mid script the ariable value deosn't change
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: ok, next question, is it possible to have a dynamic variable? IE if level <X>Y myvar=F, elseif myvar=D?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gotta remember that there are different types of variables...it's not a choice of one method or the other, it's a question of what variable you're using
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: i'm trying to set it up so that as I level my portal alias's use my new offhand weapons
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you can do stuff like that... use if ..  then .. elseif ... end  statements
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pretty easy to put the level-based logic into the portal-use abstract
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gotta have the portal plugin grab the gmcp broadcasts to update itself on your level
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: and how do I do that?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Well, on your tier-adjusted level...
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: type gmcpdebug 1 to see what data is flowing around
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are instructions on the gmcp wiki page
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or you can glance at some of the simpler plugins that already grab your level to see what they do
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: to find an example open a stats monitor plugin and find the function OnBroadcast 
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: you mean OnPluginBroadcast?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that's the one
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -l
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: if you want to support everything, what do you need to support? core char room comm, anything else?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: winkle btw you can see my client at http://webclient.caskeytranscription.com currently it will move the hp bar and that's about the extent :P
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that looks like a good start Ronus!
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i think quest as well ronus
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: group?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: or is that covered by comm
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i recall seeing quest info
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: the wiki should say all the items
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: me too, but i think possibly under the comm header
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: still alot of fun stuff seems to be missing
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: item drop, visual maps, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: did you say there were other hacks for sending that in use?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: there is a LOT of work ahead of you.... but i wish you alot of luck with it
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: type "help tags" to see extra meta
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: also you're going to want to support mccp compression or else noone will want to use it
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: as there is a QP bonus for having it enabled 
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you'll want to change to a monospaced font too... :P
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ugh, wish you could get the output of data containing tags as a jquery message
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: actually i think his issue was it was swallowing concurrent spaces.. 
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm...aard is still sending iac will 200 on connect? i thought atcp was completely removed...
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, guess atcp just doesn't send anything anymore, even if you can turn it on
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so any hope for getting the stuff in tags sent out via gcmp as well?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i wouldn't hold your breath
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: who are arctive head code dorks here?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: mud writers or plugin writers?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: mud writers
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'd check the wizlist
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Katta Tech: Lasher is
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: they haunt the tech channel reliably?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: write a note to "imms"
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: board ideas;note write
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: will do, looks like most imms have been taking the work-week off
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: they can be completely invis wheever they want
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: just going by their last on on wizlist
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that doesn't mean anything, they can all be on now but you can't see them
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: they stay online for long periods of time without having to log out
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: as winkle said, they can be completely invis whenever they want
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: anyone know how to change font size in cmud, im under the prefernces tab and then there is a general tab aand a session tab, the only think i can get to reflect a change in size is the command prompt font size
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: prefs -> styles -> default session text
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: thats what i thought, i hit it to 6 and hit apply and nothing!
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: might have to restart it
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bearaffe Tech: can someone point me in the direction of finding out how to load the game on my freshly downloaded mush client?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Did you download the Aardwolf MUSHclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bearaffe Tech: i believe i downloaded the mush client from a link on aardwolf website that took me off the site. the client has nothing attached. I am trying a new link I found
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you will want the aardwolf falvoured Mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: flavoured
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bearaffe Tech: for some reason the mush client will not open for me, it keeps telling me access denied when I try to extract from zip
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Try running it as administrator
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Timeghost Tech: for what reason would you ever want to run a MUD client as Administrator??
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Administrator is like Telnet. Last resort ;D
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Timeghost Tech: what folder are you trying to extract to? Have you tried your own Documents folder or so, i.e. one you definitely have access to?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bearaffe Tech: trying desktop now seems to work
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bearaffe Tech: that did the trick
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Timeghost smiles happily.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bearaffe Tech: thanks guys
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: are {'s escaped when tags are enabled?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: are {s escaped in what?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: mud scrawl...apparently not?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: why would they be?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: to prevent someone from tagging something in player text?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: write your triggers properly :P
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: are tags only valid at beginning of line?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: correct
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: with the usual unterminated-prompt clause ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: most people code assuming that.. but if someone is missing a %c in their prompt, that can mess up royally what is considered the beginning of a line
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: always end prompt in %c
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I've had every plugin in my client crash that way
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no plugin should crash from that
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Witch-king Sammael talks about his gruelling experience with the orange screen of death.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they just won't recognize the data
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've adapted bast's prompt fix as a standalone plugin that fixes that while preseving the prompt colours
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I must have had some mutant plugins then, because they assumed my prompt was part of the tag
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they were HORRIBLY written if they assumed that something not in a tag was part of a tag...there's no way to even fake stumble across that being the case
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i code assuming as much as i can that noone has %c in their prompt.. but in some cases it's not possible
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Witch-king Sammael nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: That and, completely non-tag related, not having %c in my prompt caused problems with the item sort script
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: winkle, it's quite bad practice to not anchor your trigs to the point that people can spoof your plugins
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: I agree, get all prompts to have a %c by default and i'll change it
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: every now & then you'll see someone post to channels something along the lines of is tech duh from here.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: duh
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's because in the early days (hi junkai) people would write autohunt scripts without basic checks such as being in the middle of hunting ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: dah
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Junkai Tech: duh
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -l
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is there any data avaialble via ATCP1 that is not broadcast via ATCP2?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: atcp1 doesn't exist anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: just checking it shows in protocols
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all it contained was the room info that's sent in atcp2/gmcp
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: k, good
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, it was implemented before gmcp, but was switched over when gmcp went live
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: btw do muds commonly issue TELNET_IAC for linemode?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not sure I understand the question...data shouldn't have iac
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: no at beginning
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: because my client normally doesn't wait for linebreak before drawing the line but will need to have some hint it should begin doing so if im gonna filter out the tags
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you mean telnetga rather than iac?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: maybe is 249 sent every time the prompt is up?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: some MUDs use telnetga as a kludge for unterminated prompts
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard doesn't use it, but there are a fair number that do...support for it is in most clients
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: GA isn't a negotiated thing for telnet, EOR is...those are really the only normal telnet ways to handle unterminated prompts...in absence of either, clients generally use a delay to guess when prompt is over (or have the player use a prompt trigger pattern)
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: thing i got everything parsed correctly now w/ tags
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: whee making progress
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furen Tech: how do it get rid of the {affoff} stuff in Mush?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: type TAGS SPELLUPS OFF
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furen Tech: thank you
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: are there any microsoft excel whizzes amongst us?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tlaloc burps.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: more of us probably whiz on it than whiz at it.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I knwo a bit, my wife knows ten times more having had to use it extensively
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: that's my general feelings towards it, but im hoping there is someone who just loves writing vb scripts and conditionals out there:P
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: just ask your question. nobody can answer until they know the question
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: alright then, try to decipher this one
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: i have a spreadsheet with 1 column full of numbers, hundreds of rows tall.  I need a vb script or a conditional statement that does the following:  Checks A1 vs A2.  If A1 equals A2, then check A2 vs A3.  If A1 does NOT equal A2, then highlight that entire row.  Then proceed to check A3 vs A4.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: so if 1 != 2, highlight 1 and check if 3 = 4.  Otherwise if 1 = 2, then check if 3 = 4.  And follow that pattern all of the way to the end
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: got some tps if someone can successfully get me through this one
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: What is A1=A2, and A2=A3?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: if, even
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: im saying is the cell A1 == the cell A2
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: All you want is an amalgamation of highlighted rows where ANY adjacent-column comparison is not equal?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: So, if A1, A2, A3, A4, and A5 are all different, you only want to highlight A1 and A3 (and possibly A5, depening on A6)?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: i dont speak l33t dokkar:P
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Leinei's question though?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Because that's what you said
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: correct leinei
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: but its not a straight pattern like that because you skip to the next set if they are equal
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: So I downloaded the newest mushclient (not running it atm). What files do I need to bring over so all my mapper rooms, portals, aliases and all that jazz are saved?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: follow the instructions for upgrading?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Upgrading
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: Thank you fiendish :)
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: to simplify the excel questions.  THere are pretty much 2 rules... 1)  If 1 = 2, check if 3 =4. and 2) if 1 != 2, highlight the entire 1 row, and check if 2 = 3
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: if anyone can crack that, drop me a tell and i'll drop you some tps:)
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I think you're confusing terms here.  Do you want the row highlighted or do you want the column highlighted?  The row goes horizontal, the column is vertical.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: the whole thing is only 1 column, but if the number dont match i watch the top number you are comparing entire spreadsheet ROW highlighted
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: well.... i don't know how to colour the column or anything like that. but....    in column b, add in the formula "=IF(OR(A2=A3,B1="*"),"","*")"
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there's no column b, Norton.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: create one then
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: he wants to compare rows one by one
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: basically a sort function without the sorting
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: -5 points for not working "of sorts" into that sentence.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: thing is. its a spreadsheet. columns can be added, and that formula does what he wants, if i've read what he wants correctly
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's disallowed, since I can--according to Kalsch, at least--speak leet without using numbers or symbolics
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: It probably doesn't fulfill the "I don't want to manually type a bunch of crap on each of the 372,841 lines" criterion...
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: thats a big one erikson:P
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: well. copy paste does exist even in excel
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Can't C&P, since it would be different on each line.  And in fact, would depend on the results of the calculation of the previous line[s] too.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: which is what he wants
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I remember it being there, just in a specific spot
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: To me, the answer is obvious; why hork with Excel in the first place, when all you need is a file of rows of numbers and 5 lines of perl?   :p
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalsch Tech: I would still need to get it back into excel formatted how i specified though, unfortunately 
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: But then, most people respond to me obvious solutions with a quizzical look and rude noises.  Which is fair enough I guess, since that's my response to pretty much anything they say, too...
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Excel::Writer::XLSX lets you set properties of cells...   ;p
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: what can i type if tinyfugue suddenly replaced my backspace with a weird pac-man pellet?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vhalis Tech: Anyone available to answer a hopefully quick question about aliases in the Mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's best to just ask your question ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vhalis Tech: I can't seem to get aliases to work. They either cause strange errors or just print the commands to the output window and nothing happens. Am I just setting something incorrectly?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: obviously
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: elementary?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Aliases
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that would be a yes.. give us the match pattern, what the action text is.. and tell us what the "send to" is set to
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anikwa Tech: also when someone's done answering vhalis: anyone know of a site where i can download map databases for zMUD (actual .mdb file, not speedwalks to zones or anything like that)? don't start the MUSH > zMUD debate please because to each our own :) 
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: or export it paste xml to pastebin and paste the url
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: anikwa, finger dokkar
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anikwa Tech: aww, cmud :/
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: it's not a debate,  ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I have the zmud-compatible file up there as well
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anikwa Tech: fine, don't "restate" it :p
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if you go to the site, you'll see he has a zmud map database there too...
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anikwa Tech: ok
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vhalis Tech: The alias I was trying to set up involved the mapper, "mpg" to mapper goto
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Each client has its pros and cons. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: just be aware that there's a lot of information in the mapfile that was put there via cmud, so I dunno what it's going to be like in zmud (and, of course, no scripts for handling any of it in ZMud)
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vhalis Tech: But when I follow that with a room number I get an error
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anikwa Tech: wow, huge file!
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "I get an error" is not a useful question
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vhalis Tech: "Unknown command. Please check the helpfiles."
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you will want to "send to" execute
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: zmud doesn't let you pull out individual zones, so it's the entire aardwolf worldmap from the perspective of me.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ...does cmud?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: didn't think so :P
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there is an external zone extractor program though
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anikwa Tech: er that's weird
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you referring to Charbal's thing?  Don't think that actually works anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It does, last time I used it, Dokkar.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: probably not for cmud, but i don't see why it would have stopped working for zmud...
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can just run the files through the converter to use it with cmud maps though
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I was getting at the point that it might have preceded the zmud change that made the map one giant zone.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ah, she's drunk.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Is there an easy way to have Bast Spellup add spells/skills as you level automatically?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: probably by sending slist on every leveling event, then parsing the list.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I could script it myself, I was hoping there was an inbuilt function I'd missed :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: yes, add all the spells you want. the bast spellup will start auto casting them once they are learned
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: sorry what is bast spellup, and is it better than just doing 'spellup learned'?
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozu Tech: only need to add once. when you mort/tier it just casts the ones you have learned. the others are listed as not learned/not practiced
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh good, I'll do that then. Lloll: Bast Spellup is a plugin for MUSHclient that automatically maintains your spells as they fail
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's a mushclient plugin that replicates and extends the spellup command.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I just spellup after every death
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: interesting. i just start every fight by typing "qs" which i have aliased to spellup learned. it's such a habit now i dont think about it
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: spellup scripts will bot for you, so you don't have to remember to type spellup, ever.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: triggers to spellup upon the other monster dying is not illegal
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: bots are not by definition illegal
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Not all - re: spell prac % bots, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Whoops, missed the 'not', my bad
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it is the specific execution content of the bot that makes it legal/illegal.
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's the gaming analog of "guns don't kill people"
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Acidbburn Tech: how do I get bast spellup plugin to not disable berserk?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: IS there a conflict? I have no problem re-enabling spells via the menu or commands.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: what is the best way to get bast_spellup to
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: finger bast
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in the way asked, probably just to uninstall it. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: keep my spells up, it keeps getting stuck and i have to do bsp refresh
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: cat trod on enter key, lol
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: yes i have the google page open and i read it before i asked
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: do you have a %c at the end of your prompt? probably not, so type "plugins load fix" and then wait 5 seconds and "fix prompt"
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: spell casting failure seems to make it hiccup
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: ok will try
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: seems better so far, im not getting the huge wall of {spellheaders spellup noprompt} on login at least
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: yeah seems be workin nice now thanks bast
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: on blow torch what's the char for trig start
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: like ^ on cmud
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Acidbburn Tech: how do I use the bast hunt plugin?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: install it, then type "ha barney"
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Acidbburn Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Hrm.  I did a fresh install of the tinyfugue source available on Abe's site (patched for mccp, gmcp, atcp, option102), but just noticed that since then (or as far back as my scrollback goes), I haven't been getting my MCCP bonus from quests.  Do I need to configure it with a particular option?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: try typing MCCP ingame
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yeah, it confirms I don't have it enabled.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: stuff like mccp is negotiated on connection, so if it turned off you're probably not doing the negotiation right.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Right - tf's supposed to negotiate that on my behalf, but obviously isn't.  Which begs the question, why?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if there's no preference setting that you're forgetting, it's a bug in the source code.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if you are reasonably sure that the negotiation is happening, you're probably having the wrong IAC WILL/DO string sent and Aard is just assuming WON'T.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Which was the purpose of my asking if there's a setting I need to enable when I configure it...
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I don't know if the negotiation is failing, or if I missed something
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: abe would probably be the only one who could answer that...
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: neither do I, I don't use TF.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: k
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pedwiddle, IIRC all you need to do to support mccp is ensure that you have a zlib library available when ./configure is run...look for lines like checking zlib.h usability... yes
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: k - I apparently needed to install zlib1g-dev, to have access to the zlib.h file...
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Thanks, Abe
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: ...and it works!
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: nice
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: is there any way to macro an alias in mush?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you mean hotkeys for an alias?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: More along accelerators
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: like CTRL + P for quaff potion alias
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: yes Winkie
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah you want Accelerators
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't need accelerators, just macros
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you need to make a basic plugin or initialize alias that will setup acelerators.. go Menu -> Help -> Functions List .. then lookup Accelerators
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: accelerators are when you want it to be non-normal keys
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Macro's are limited in what keys you can use, i know from working with holliday that he doesn't want the keys that are allowed in Mush macros
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: alt-letter or fkeys can be done w/o accelerator
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Really? That a recent change?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: I know when i used Mush the macro's allowed were annoying combo's of letters i didn't want to use.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's been those ones as long as I've been paying attention
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: alt+h, alt+f, alt+w, etc?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Iirc the macro's i wanted to use were default to something else in mush if i didn't use accel's
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it ships with macros alt-a,b,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,x,y,z and combinations of fkeys with or without ctrl & shift
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: other keys would be accelerators
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: heh, all keys but the ones i wanted, that's why i had to use accelerators
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and if you click the help button when in the macro definition window, the help mentions how to use them to do more complex stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -n 10
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: bahh old habits die hard
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: afk 30 min
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: According to a report from the Wall Street Journal, we can expect to see the iPad 3 on the market by September. The newest iteration of the insanely popular Apple tablet will feature a 2048 by 1536 pixel display, which is just a tad better than the 1024 by 768 pixels found in the iPad 2. No word yet on what else the new model will feature, however.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i want one so much.. then i will mud on it
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: that's an impressive dpi. i wonder how that compares to the 'retina display'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it must be onpar with retina.. that resolution over that many inches
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: 263 ppi, retina is 326. close enough
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it "retina" a certain amount froma  certain distance? if so.. an ipad would need fewer DPI to be "retina"
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: just a marketing term, i don't think it actually means anything per se
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no.. it's meant to be the DPI that the retina can't detect higher than
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: huh, no kidding. just checked: "It has been observed that the unaided human eye can generally not differentiate detail beyond 300 PPI
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: anyone know where i can get free mysql hosting? don't need a full web host, just a database
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: what are you hosting on it Myrkul?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what does that matter? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well why can't you just host it yourself?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: or you got a thick-app thats gonna connect over sockets?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i dunno what that means, so i assume i don't
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so what _are_ you going to do with it ;P
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'm not hosting it myself cause my isp has port 3306 closed, plus i'm looking for something a bit more reliable in terms of uptime
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: he's going to stripmine Aard!  Oh noes!
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well if you can stomach the $360 up-front to pre-pay for a 24-mo term, linode.com is great at $15/mo. You can do $20/mo with no contract though
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and if i did host it myself, would that lag me much if several people are connecting to it?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'm looking for something free :P
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: depends entirely on their use if it would lag you or not
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: if you run openwrt you can also deprioritize the traffic on that port and it won't matter unless they chew all your cpu
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is lasher usually dark when on?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if you mean wizi, yes, always
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you could send him a note
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: Lasher is always dark unless whatever he's working on requires him to come down to our level.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's kind of a side effect of being the man who owns and creates the gamecode.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well that's no reason to be anti-social :P
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: he's not, he'd just never be able to get anything done otherwise
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: a word of warning Ronus - we are VERY loyal and protective of our imms :) - we don't like even trash talk in jest :D
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'm usually fairly well behaved
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: could you imagine the scroll if you were the one guy with all the answers and 300-something other users kept pestering you for them all the time? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I need to dig out my old emails from 12 years ago with John Carmack :P
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: myrk - i know Amazon will host a micro isntance of a linux box for free for a year for a new user.. that would be a good start perhaps... it's a fully functioning VM
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so are ther any hard and fast rules in aard about when text is done being sent? Do you always get an EOL (fingers crossed?)?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: not really
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: for example, you can turn off the prompts and the blank lines, both of which are used to denote that Aard's waiting for your response
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: this should not usually be a problem, however, so it's probably a better idea to talk about whatever script you're working on.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: im writing a custom client
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: should \r \n and \r\n each result in one line break?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -n 10
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amarufox Tech: -r 15
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: hut, hut--HIKE!
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: bid
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: oops
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Go away from a computer, and the Mushclient loses all triggers and aliases. Where are those stored?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: Anyone familiar with sharing files on a network on windows vista?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: I want to stop sharing absolutely everything in my User file, and only share specific files.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: put the files in a folder and share only that folder.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wittle Naer Tech: But I can't seem to unshare the Users folder
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bearaffe Tech: how can i get rid of the one dark blue color that I can't see
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if you mean @b and not one of the xterm extendocolors, you will just have to make a trigger on, umm, <27>[0;32m and change the number to a more visible color.  Note that I'm not sure what the color code is for dark blue.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the <27> part is the escape code ANSI uses to denote an ansi code.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Hey, who knows ehre the triggers and aliases are stored in Mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: They're generally stored in the world file.  Look for Aardwolf.mcl.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: The mcl file comes up, as do the plugins, even the one I added later, but no aliases or triggers. What does this mean, other than start over? :)
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: The world file doesn't save unless you explicitly ask it to (File->Save World Details) or if you close Mush normally.  If Mush crashed, you're just out of luck on recovering any aliases/triggers you added before the last world file save.
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Well, It had long standing triggers. Then I came back to it a month later, and the triggers were gone. Oh well
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Oh well
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: I'm getting an odd return from winkles quick where function within the search and destroy addon, anyone else use it?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: lol anyone else get in on this $100 touchpad business?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: stand
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: oops mt
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is there a help file for blowtorch
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: You could write one and post it.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you talking about the e-readers at biglots?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: ... Is /who/ talking about e-readers?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: Lloll
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: As long as my cpu/gpu temps don't go above a certain level (any thoughts on # ?) , can I turn my fan down?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhtb Tech: can someone please assist me i am stuck in land of the believer i am at the shrine wearing the robes but i cant seem to offer the sacrifice some other players have tried to help there but to no avail please help 
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: And why is this on Tech?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhtb Tech: for i am stuck and a helper said to report it  
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Xiucozcatl buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: And I am a helper but I think it surely doesn't belong on Tech.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Is it a bug?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhtb Tech: dont know but i am stuck there for 2 to 3 weeks now cant go on    
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Well, try asking again on the newbie Channel.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhtb Tech: i did and i have tried everything nothing works 
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Acidbburn Tech: is there a limit to how long an alias can be?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Assuming I keep my CPU/GPU temps below a certain # (any thoughts on what that is?) , I can turn my fan speed down right? My room sounds like an airplane
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: usually really high, 140f ambient 200f core?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: google what temperature limits for your cpu are
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: your cpu will likely be able to stay cool when not under load with a fan speed so low its really quiet
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: your gpu will vary more, I've got a radeon 4850 that's inaudible 8 ft away right now
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and i use it from my couch w/ a keyboard so thats wehre i stopped fiddling
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is it the cpu fan making noise or the casing fan?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: or psu even
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i barely hear my cpu fan
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: man bold fonts are kinda ugly
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: anyone got a link to the ansii color pallet for bold colors?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's the same numbers, just with 1; before them
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i.e. <esc>[1;32m
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: http://pueblo.sourceforge.net/doc/manual/ansi_color_codes.html
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: no, im parsing em right, now i jnust need to know the rgb color values to actually show
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: afk 120min
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oh, in rgb?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocilis Tech: look at the wikipedia page on asni escape sequences
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i have that list somewhere...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocilis Tech: different terminals have different rgb colors they assign to the codes
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: he's writing a client, nocilis
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocilis Tech: yea, and that wikipedia page has a table of all the colors in all the major clients, ansi->rgb
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, wish i'd known that before i compiled a list myself :P
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: think its the casing fan...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: gpu temps 68C, cpu 87C
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sounds way too hot
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: look into getting a quieter fan or something
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: those temps are already too hot even with the fan running fast?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: imo yes
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: ok, I have the stupid question of the day. How do I flip between/find missing windows on the Mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: See Window in the menu
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Or do you mean miniwindows?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: If miniwindows, the only command I know is "resetaard". You can also send miniwindows "back", behind other miniwindows.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: miniwindows for the win (or lose)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Right-click, "send to back"
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: or type "resetaard"
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: both are failing...hmm...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: the chat channel window is still AWOL. Think I am gonna redownload aard
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Maybe use the chance to upgrade to the latest one from http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ok on my client who wants to bet the reason i was losing lines was because of a bug in the ansi state code?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: the telnet state code?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: or was it because i wasn't scrolling all the way to the bottom as indicated by the scroll bar...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: your custom client?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: his javascript telnet client he's writing...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it's coming along
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: http://webclient.caskeytranscription.com
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ansii color is working, aardtag parsing is mostly working, gmcp is working
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: mccp?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: my bad, no mccp, err gmcp
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: wait that's what i said, so err, no haven't looked at mccp yet
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is there data that is only available via mccp?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no, it's a compression protocol
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ohh that's right
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if you have it and it's turned on, Aard gives you +2 qp each quest.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: not yet i'm trying to decide if that makes sense to do in javascript
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: oh, this is an all-javascript project?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: pretty much there is currently a tiny little shim for accessing java's socket functions
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and in the future i'm gonna do either a twisted or node proxy for long-polling clients
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but currently as is, when you view the server (and I don't ahve it routed through the debug proxy), it will connect you directly to the mud
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is mccp1 deprectaed?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mccp is pretty much just piping the data through zlib...yes, v1 shouldn't be used
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: are there any muds out there though that support mccp1 and not 2?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocilis Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocilis Tech: they are few and far between though. id say just do mccp2
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: lots probably kept it in for legacy purposes.  MUDs and MUD clients tend not to be close to the cutting-edge line, after all.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dokkar, keeping it in for legacy purposes wouldn't be mccp1 but not mccp2
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: aard kept it in, i think
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard supports mccp2
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: i didn't say it doesn't
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but that's the discussion
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: dokkar said lots of muds probably kept it in for legacy purposes...aard is one of them
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not as a valid answer to the question that was asked
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: who said i was answering a question? it was just a general comment
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the question was regarding MUDs which do NOT support mccp2, but which support mccp1...you don't not support new stuff as legacy...you continue to support old stuff after you have new replacements as legacy
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a comment which is invalid in the context of the conversation, as was dokkar's
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: well, since i was replying to dokkar's 'invalid' comment, it does follow that mine would be too...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: and anyway, what does it matter if our comments were invalid to the context of one conversation? there can be more than one conversation going on at a time, you know...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there can be...but there isn't
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: i disagree, dokkar started a second conversation when he made a comment invalid to the context of the first one
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dokkar's comment was an attempt at a response to ronus's queries, it was not intended to be a separate conversation
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he attempted to be valid to the context of the first one, he just failed
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: just nod and agree, he'll go on for hours
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: whatever, i remember why i keep this channel off, now
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: i know, santher
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: abe's like that
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because you don't have anything to contribute :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: i do, actually
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, abe's anal about correctness :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: or is it not allowed to make invalid comments on this channel?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's entirely allowed, it just doesn't contribute and isn't useful
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: well, some people might not have known that aard still kept mccp1 for legacy purposes, and would find it an interesting piece of information
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, did you actually verify that piece of information?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: check the telnet negotiation when you log in
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: from cmud's debugger window: <IAC><WILL><85>
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that amends your initial NON-contribution statement into a contribution of the new thread ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You clap at her performance.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Why is it when I connect to Aard, it's the ONLY place I lag and have issues... I can connect to webpages and the like with no issues. :(
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because the route between you and aard has at least one bad link, and other places you visit don't go through that link :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Apparently the "bad link" is with sprintlink.  *sigh*
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: Methinks that was a rhetorical cry of outrage to the universe
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: is this on your cell, or at home?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if on cell and you're directly connecting ot aard, try using duckbat's proxy to connect to home first and then to Aard...after some config it'll let you use your client's scripts, but even without that config being done it'll give mccp :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: This would be on my cell, tethering.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I don't have internet connection at home. :P  Otherwise, I might try that route.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, that limits options ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Very much so.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Right now, I'm stealing off someone's wifi, but no clue whose it is.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: is that better than the tether?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Sad thing is, I have absolutely no bars of connection, yet I'm getting no lag with this one. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Signal Strength: No signal. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nodnod, the cell network is likely set up quite optimized for typical web traffic
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's frustrating.  I'll lose this signal as soon as I get a call though. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hehe, time to make a pringes can cantenna :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: If I do that, then I might reach the McDonald's wifi from here.  I'm just sitting at Amtrak, waiting for a call over the radio right now.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Too bad you cannot use the radio as a wi-fi.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: packet radio is fun :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there's no formula repository anywhere for stuff (we think) we've figured out, is there?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Aardwiki has a couple things there, like the sanctuary/wis chart (I think)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, that wasn't reverse-engineered, that was lasher's disclosure
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: itemcalc.gaardian.com and my stats site have some calculations
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, his disclosure wouldn't be our stopping-point for the most part
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: His disclosure?  That's why people ran thousands of tests before creating the chart?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Don't recall Lasher ever saying "Here's how sanctuary works."  But I do know of the people who ran the tests to find the information themselves.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, interesting...the wiki's wording "sounds" like his voice, hadn't look at the edit history. guess it was starling
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: Wahoo Wine+Lion+MushClient=#winning
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You cheer Doc  Holliday on and wish him good luck!
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Lion?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Oh, that's the OS X thingie
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at Cizra.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: not going to use that one, it gave Jobs cancer. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: being a douche gave jobs cancer
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ooh zlib decompression with javascript does not make chrome happy
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Interesting.  I switched wifi tethering apps, and now I have no lag...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rascally Rampagne Tech: anyone here play ps1 or ps2 games on a lcd monitor? I got an xga converter box but the graphci look terrible
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Instead of going along with HP's liquidation plan, Best Buy has pulled the Touchpad from their shelves and is shipping them back to the manufacturer. Meanwhile, HP is listing both the 16GB and 32GB versions as "out of stock" on their website - and they're offering a refund of the difference in cost to customers who bought the device when it was still $400.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: Leo Apotheker is a moron
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mcmartin Tech: does not inspire confidence at all to buy Palm and then turn around and sell it
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: HP dropping the PC market leaves just a handful of PC makers now.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Heh... reap the benefits.  Find someone who wants a touchpad, sell it to them for $200, get the refund of $300, you have $500.  Go out and buy a $100 touchpad.  You've effectively got your touchpad for free.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: (Note that the someone has to not be news-wary.)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: So, Acer basically took over the HP market.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: anyone ever used the zmapper com api in cmudpro?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: should be exactly the same as listed in the zmapper helpfile (there's more COM stuff in the zmud support page)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it should be, but i'm having trouble making a one-way link...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i've tried true, "true" and 1 for the oneway boolean value in the zMudRoom object's setlink method...it always creates a two-way link anyway :(
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: tried false?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just did, still a two-way link
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: bug perhaps.  Zmapper never did make it out of beta, after all.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and the documentation says If OneWay is true, a one-way link is created, otherwise a two-way link is created.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: what's the context of this?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what do you mean? i'm just trying to make a one-way link... :P
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there was recently a discussion on the forums about working with the mapfile directly will have problems keeping it and the mapper in sync.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: right, i started that thread
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: zugg said i need to use the zmapper api to make one-way links in a thread...so i upgraded today, and still can't make one-way links :P
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: to make one-way links in a script, rather
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: obvious question, are you seeing some sort of visible change?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yes i am, i'm seeing it create a two-way link :P
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: changing the zMudLink OneWay property to true doesn't work either :/
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: really looks like a bug to me, and probably won't be fixed anytime soon either :(
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I assume you did a save?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i did
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's not like it's doing nothing, it is creating a two-way link...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: hmm, you know how in SQL you can use foreign keys to link tables and how many SQL just do the linking themselves with join?  Have you tried creating the link and then doing a deleteboth on the side you don't need?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, that's what setting the oneway property to true is supposed to do :P
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: "If this is false and you change it to true and then save the link, the other link will be deleted to force a one-way link."
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: of course, but if it's broken and not getting fixed anytime soon...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'll try it as a last resort, nod
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: gonna see what the forums turn up first, i might just be missing something obvious
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: maybe you need to set linkIDto to -1 or something?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: is ethyl methyl chloride pretty stable?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: How is that a tech question?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli misses chemistry, though.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: random question - we just set up with a new internet service and my friends computer won't load google at all. every other website/internet thing works perfectly well but anything google-related comes up with a 404 message. i'm on the same network (but wireless) and it works fine for me..... anyone have any thoughts/suggestions?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Possible host file messed with that goes to a 404 page?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}VampireDude Tech: anyone remember how to enable keyboard and disable evdev forg xorg-x11?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if it's throwing up a 404 that means he's connecting to a webserver, just likely not google's...try ipconfig /flushdns
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: bing? :)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You gasp as you realize what he did.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: type it where, abe?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: into a cmd shell
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: that didn't work :(
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in ie, try going to tools -> internet options, connections tab, lan settings button, UNcheck all 3 checkboxes
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: they are
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in the cmd window, compare your computer's "ipconfig /all" DNS settings with his
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: hes gonna try connecting wirelessly.... we've never had this problem before, its weird
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Wonder what it'd return if you tried to tracert google.com...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: it completed
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: To google.com?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what was the ending address?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: www.google.com 64.27.9.109
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That's not google's...
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: hmm.... can we fix that?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That goes to ku-b.com.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'd check your hosts file.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: when i do it it goes to 74.125.255.48
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: he doesn't seem to have one
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: What operating system does he have?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: vista
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Start -> Run and type in %SystemRoot%\system32\drivers\etc
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It'll take you to the folder that houses the hosts file.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: nods we were there
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: And there's no hosts file there?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Odd.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: has other files, but not a host one
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: nods, could probably be his problem
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: No, because the hosts file would only redirect certain addresses.  If there's no hosts file, then it has nothing to redirect.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: You can put one there. As I recall, my spouse's vista did not have a hosts file. I made one to help with local networking.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: For instance, you can put that going to aardwolf.com would redirect to 127.0.0.1 so that any time anyone tried to go to that page, it would load only the localhost.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli used to do that for fun with peoples' computer.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: how do we create the host file? 
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: just c/p mine?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You don't need to, really, but you can download hosts files off the internet.  It's very useful for ad-blocking.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: so you don't think not having a host file will fix his google problem?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: er, having one
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: The only other thing I can think of is a virus.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It shouldn't affect it.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: we just dug his comp out of storage after moving it across the country.... this was the first time hes turned it on since before we left
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Doesn't mean it didn't have a virus before.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: spose, was working fine then though
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Try having him do a full virus scan on his drive.  That's the only thing I can think of at this moment.  There are hijacker viruses that will often take you to a site that is harmful to your computer.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: alright, hopefully that will help. can't live withotu google lol
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli grins evilly.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: try disabling toolbars/add-ons
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Phalae coughs loudly.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: whenever i log back in, 2 tag settings revert to 'yes' when i set them as 'no'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: is there a way to have them stick to the no setting?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: do you use more than one client?
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: no.. i use a recent mush as well as some of bast's plugins
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: like phone and computer, or 2 different computers
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: i use the portable kind
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: but i did recently move and probably got a new ip etc
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: pip has nuthin to do wit tags.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: IP wouldn't matter, but tags don't revert from the MUD's end, something client-side must be turning them on
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: oh
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: might have an older plugin that thinks it needs one on without actually using it
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: there's also another funky thing, whenever i close the client it asks if i want to save settings but it never asked that of me before
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if it asks whether you want to save settings, always say yes unless you have a specific reason to say no
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: isthere a way to have it set to always save? this is a new thing, it didn't do this before
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: whats the difference between win7 home/pro/ultimate? well... aside from price
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think pro has some compatibility mode that lets it act like xp
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: wiki isnt too bad on it
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: androg oops
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ugh
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: anyone else have the mush main window sometimes go "blank"?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: All the time.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Only when I'm on a hideously slow computer.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: basically, it blanks out, but the next input brings it back.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: it's a virus
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: On a mainstream high end PC.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: it's a virus that targets mush.....ok, any other suggestions?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: I assume, that like me, it is only the main window. No miniwins ever blank?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: how am i to remap the arrow keys so that they send me north south east and west?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: in mush use the numpad
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: You probably don't want to remap the arrow keys - you want them for maniupulating the stuff in the input bar.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: The numpad, though, is great for that. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: numpad not an option here as i am using a macbook... i need to make use of the arrows. is this possible? or am i misunderstanding you--
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: And it's already pre-setup.  See Game->Configure->Keypad
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what client are you on?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: i have wrangled into mushclient with a macbook pro... all the numbers are at the top row...
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: if theres a key u want to use but its not in macros or what not in mush just make a script and use Accelerator ("keyname", "blah")
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: if u want f1 just make sure to disable it in options and set it to macro key
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea, use the accelerator function, you'd probably need to write a short script/plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: what is an example of <keyname>? I want a different mapping for when I am on a laptop with no keypad.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/function.php?name=Accelerator
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: thank you
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not sure if you can use that function outside of plugins, but if it's in a plugin you can handle the enabling/disabling of mapping with an alias or something
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: mhm i personally use accelerator to map alt+numpad keys and the like
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: kewl, thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: make that plugin with the plugin wizard. and its pretty much 1 line per key >_> just lots of other irrelevant junk added by wizard lol
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: dont need to know lua for that
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: mmm i was gona make a joke abount using the other head but w/e moving on
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: bah mis
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: do i attempt accelerator script writing and implementation in the input box?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: typing that in command line wont do anything
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: i have to go into file, world properties?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: for mush go to file->plugin wizard
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: fill out the fields then go to script and add the accelerator lines then save it and add it as plug in
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: me*2!
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: omg... mis again
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: i keep getting an error message when i am trying to write my script. i dont know what i am doing wrong.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: the error message says that there is an unexpected symbol near the ','
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: syntax error
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: this is the line of script: Accelerator "Shift+up", "northl"
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: minus the l after north 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you need parentheses around function parameters if you have more than one
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: i am trying vbscript... does that look right?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh, hell if I know
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why would you use vbscript?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: lulz cuz it looked shorter
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: use lua if you want to get reliable help here
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: thank you once again...
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: minus the l after north 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: oop sorry
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: ok i have switched to lua with no luck. i am trying to make shift plus up make my char. go north... here is my line of lua code...
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: Accelerator ("Shift+up", "north")
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: i saved the plugin and activated it and it's on my list of plugins but it's not working
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does Up need to be capitalized?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: hmmmmm i hated to think so when i was at it earlier but now i hope so...
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think all accelerator keys are capitalized
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: shoot dang i've tried capitalization and putting a space before and after the plus sign... and not...
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: now the line of code looks like this: 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: Accelerator ("Shift + Up", "North")
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Do you really want to use shift-up in place of north every time?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't see why not
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: yes per my laptop array
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: don't use spaces
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I personally couldn't see how that's faster than n, enter.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: But that's me, I guess.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: where do you have this accelerator definition?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Trurien: two different hands 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: n+enter requires two presses. shift+up is actually only one press after you have shift held
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: in the script dialog box of the plugin wizard
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Probably.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: ... until the annoying Sticky keys toggle pops up and you lose the GQ.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Though I've always used onl one hand for n-enter.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so he'll change to Ctrl instead of shift
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I suppose Mac has no problems with sticky keys.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: No no, it's his preference. I was just thinking aloud.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Hmm. I'm not really familiar with the plugin wizard.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: let me try
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: It looks to me like you just can't use Shift on its own
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try using ctrl or ctrl+shift
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Anyone know how to start a separate Python session in tintin?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I thought #run python python ... oh wait.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: OK, never mind, mistake on my part. But now the session doesn't appear in another window...
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: Anyone familiar with Duckbat's "set up any mud client to work with your phone"? Specifically, looking for help translating his trigger on line 20 of http://duckbat.com/phone.html into mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Faltrix Tech: switching to Alt hasn't worked so far... oh well i give for now... thx ol' dirty and trurien
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Fiendish is the name, Ol' Dirty is the pretitle :P
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know about alt. I tested with Ctrl and Ctrl+Shift
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: seriosly how does a cat kill my mapper database with random keypresses ?   sigh...
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: yay for mapper automatic backups
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zelog Tech: is it possible to connect to aard from blackberry?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zelog Tech: what can you download/use?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Dagonet Tech: anyone have any experience with network controller problems
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: just ask the question foreplay is a waste of time
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Foreplay for most techies is just looking.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Finding the right scene?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Dagonet Tech: dsl cable from router is plugged into network controller on computer, connection in Vista says the cable is unplugged. Any ideas
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Router have power, I'm assuming?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: connector needs cleaning ?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: try another cable
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Dagonet Tech: router on using this laptop on it, cable good...there is no light on cable when I plug it into computer
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: is bad
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: cable is bad
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Dagonet Tech: no tried a different cable and it worked before
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If you have a dsl port on the laptop, try connecting that way, which will tell you if there are any issues with the router or cable.  Failing that, try updating the drivers for the network controller.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: it worked before does not mean it will work now
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Dagonet Tech: laptop only wireless, updated drivers from Nvidia site
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: no light means bad connection
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: No light means the network controller hasn't detected the cable - more than likely -not- the cable, those things are tough - how recently did you update the drivers?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: lol cable are NOT tought
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: bad cables are the problem 90% of time
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Dagonet Tech: tech yesterday as I replaced the motherboard
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: That may be overstating it a bit, Xiu
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Dagonet Tech: say the controller is working and all in devices and when config but says network cable unplugged
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Check to make sure the driver is Vista compatible - I've seen quite a few which aren't :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I think it's a software problem
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: WTF, dago your problem is not clear, please decscribe your situation clearly and fully... i have heard about routers, ethernet ports laptops and now motherboards
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: stupid crap soldering irons
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Actually the problem has been described quite well, if you were following instead of fixating on one possible issue you would know this...
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: meh, he made it too hard, charity tech support stops when it's an effort
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Vakieh.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Then turn off the channel and stfu?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ok, I'll give the solution to ALL problems... for future reference:
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You mean when the whole of the MUD doesn't accept your kneejerk response without question?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Xiucozcatl licks Ebullient Etzli.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Dagonet Tech: I replaced the mb with the exact same one and used the cpu.  Booted up and everything works the same except my internect connection , 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Replace one component at a time, including software, until it starts working again.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie puts a soldering iron under Tigernuts' .... and sets back watching the action.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: that narrows it down
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: It always works, though.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Dagonet Tech: uninstalled the network controller, went to nvidia and dl'ed drivers to flash than installed on desktop
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'm assuming you made sure you got the right drivers, right?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: how would he know that
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: one assumes he thought he got the right ones
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Usually, the drivers are marked specifically, so it'd be hard to get the wrong ones. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Dagonet Tech: was told nividia drivers are all the same , have to make sure you get the os right and after I did go to Dell and dl the drivers for my specific model, got same result
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: fair chance it's not a driver issue then
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: when I do  on cmud
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: %insert()
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: id adds some string, but when I do again on different position, it rolls it back, and adds it to the new position
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: as in the old string is not there anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ok, if I accidentally closed bast's cp miniwin in mush, is there a way to get it to display again?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: any mush + bast users out there with a sec to answer a question?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: do I need to uninstall bast's miniwin_cp plugin, and delete out the stored variable data, in order to get it to display again?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think he has a plugin that controls what other miniwindows are hidden/shown
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: is there syntax to invoke a plugin function directly from the command line in mush?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: from the immediate window.. yes
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: tried <plugin_name>:<function_name>, didn't seem to have any effect.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: CallPlugin ("80cc18937a2aca27079567f0", "LogIt", "Data to be logged")
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ah.  ok, gotta dig up the plug id, huh?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apocolyte Tech: uhm if i may ask,do you get a patch for Dmc3 special edition,i got a copy but it asks for the original cd.any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Get the original CD. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: buy it?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apocolyte Tech: except for getting a original cd,any other ways?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Not legally, and we don't discuss illegal things here.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: At least, not publicly....
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: download a crack from the internet and then get a rootkit virus from it
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(o^-')b Kalathor Tech: I will. Send me a tell, and we can discuss anything illegal you want
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apocolyte Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(o^-')b Kalathor Tech: I mean *anything*
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: What if it's legal, but morally reprehensible?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apocolyte Tech: what does that virus do.i know nothing about viruses
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: they are super fun!
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it will keep you occupied for days!
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the reason you have to dig up the plugin id for callplugin is that the plugin names are not guaranteed to be unique, but MUSHclient enforces uniqueness on the ID
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: hmm...CallPlugin came back with "Sorry, I don't understand you."  would have expected a syntax error if I had incorrect arguments.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you want to use script functions from the command line, you have to prefix them with your script prefix
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: press Shift+Ctrl+6
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then put something (I use \\\) into the Script input box
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ah, the \\\
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can use whatever you want, as long as it doesn't interfere with your normal typing
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: sweet, that worked, thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: nice.. i learned somehtign today
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: btw, \\\CallPlugin("eee3a98a021c1bee534ef093", "set_show", "") redisplays the cp miniwindow.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: cool
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: (well, assuming your script prefix matches mine)
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think I might have it set to \\\ by default
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: it is.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: based on the 4.77 build, anyway.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: though I think it was that in 4.75 too.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: is there a "partial match" in the mush command line, where if I were to type in, say, "runto" and then hit the up arrow, it would go through history and find a matching command that started with 'runto'?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can do tab completion
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Tyebald, yes
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ok.....next question: how do I turn it on? 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Tyebald, Input->Commands->Keyboard Preferences->arrow key whatever
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: awesome, thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Godsmack Tech: err someone please help me with the command to reset my MUSH settings? i cant remember it :(
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: hey guys i just bought my first idevice! its a ipod touch 64GB Ive heard lots of top stuff about and its like alien to any mobile technology ive seen!
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: depends which ones, but if you mean windows, 'resetaard'.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Godsmack Tech: aha thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: does "quit quit" automatically reconnect for anyone on mushclient? or is it just me?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just you
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: quit works ok, quit quit forces a reconnect, how strange is that :/
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you probably have auto-reconnect enabled or somethin
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: yeah, but quit works ok, so there must be some difference somewhere.. but those commands should be the same
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: i downloaded itunes 10.4, then when it started installing, it was done but said that there was a sort of msi script needed. What is this how do i get itunes working? Its installed, however broken
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: i really need help guys?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: dont we all
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: not in that way..
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: ahh i tunes .. dont have it
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: its cool, but you will
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: have you googled?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: why i dont use I-pod
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: eventually, apple shall rule!
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: Says every Apple fanboi
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Apple should have gone out of business at the end of the 90's
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's truly a shame that they didn't.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: lol its funny go into a best buy now and every damn company followed suit with a i pad tablet like product
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: They make good money selling prodcuts for people that dont know enough to operate a Windows.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: -a
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: Tablets have been around long before iPad. 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: and whats so great about windows
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's not Apple
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the best thing about windows is that it isn't apple
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: damn
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: what do you mean by tablet tho
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: lol at starling
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Olanica Tech: my laptop busted a few days ago, and i'm wondering if it's worth it to get an ipad for mudding
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: what's so much harder about windows?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: what about Unix stype operating systems
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: windows is a pain to get stuff to work in, but at least it works without selling your soul
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: you can get a little net book for like 250
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Olanica Tech: like a mini laptop?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: pain?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: I liked unix until it went mainstream.  Now I use Dos 5.5.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: Windows is best for networking. Try finding a corporaTION THAT USES aPPLE FOR IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. EHEHEHE
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: yea
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: oops sry for the caps
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Olanica Tech: interesting
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: only time i reall see apples is in graphic design or art type fields
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i would happily use an ipad
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: right companies aren't gonna pay more for a mac because it looks cool, it's all about roi
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but i'd never buy one
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: and what about intel vs amd
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocilis Tech: its x86 vs ARM now
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: A lot of companies use Apple machines on a Windows network. That way, they get the easy UI for those that don't know much about computers, plus the network secuirty of Windows
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: looks like amd is finally coming out with a new core design/cpu
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: common guys, apple rules America. i think youre jus being biased
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: What about the common guys?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: Apple rules the richest 2 percent.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: lol mek there really isn't that much diff between mac and windows these days
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Apple is congruent to Linux Locked Kernal.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: And only them because they are too lazy to actually learn how to work a machine. It's easier to just stick with Apple.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: mac's cost more and come in fruity colors
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: apple computers are like those vtech things you get for your kids when they are very young
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: noddy does computing
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: We aren't talking about whats the same, we are talking about what's different.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: http://www.xkcd.com/934/
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i don't get the big deal... i don't like macs i find them annoying to use
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they don't have a hash key
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: im still running a intell i7
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what kind of gibbon designed a keyboard without a hash key?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i'm running a pentium m
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'm running a MOS technologies 6510A
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: are you joking
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: mmm weird... this channel was singing the praises of apple, now....
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: who's joking?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: only thing i really like about apple is the visual appeal of product
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: macbooks are nice, once you put win 7 on them :P
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nonsense, they have no hash key
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which writes them off for twitter fans
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: examples of the type of stereotypes that buy mac pcs are: rich but stupid execs, hairdressers, 'artists'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: uh
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: can we move this to goss?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mac keyboards have always had # on them.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: tigernuts is talking out of his ass
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: macbooks certainly don't
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm sitting here looking at one that says otherwise
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: only way to access them is apple+ctrl+3
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: a uk macbook perhaps?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: they have a pound for shift 3
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: bit of a shortcoming then, having a uk spec laptop without a uk spec keynoard
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://ssl.apple.com/macbookpro/images/design_trackpad20110224.jpg <- you can see it right in the picture
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the same place it always is on every other keyboard
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: airbook
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: ok, lets talk apple mobile, its the best tech around compared to others i mean the graphics are amazing. and you have to admit that you have to have great other hardware to support such a beastly GPU. 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: bad enough you guys drive on the wrong side of the road and hid your quotes
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: every apple keyboard has # in exactly the same place as every other keyboard in the world
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: unsubscribe tech
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Sorry to disagree but it's in a different place to my keyboard...my hash key is on the right, above right shift :p
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then other keyboards for your market are also there
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Apple does a few things special in their keyboard layout. the bullet and the apple logo being notable examples, both of which are kind of hidden. 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and the command key
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: what does apple as compared to windows key
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is that a question?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Apple's command key is more similar to the Ctrl key on other platforms
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: every time you push your apple key, god kills a kitten
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it also has some of the features of the windows key in windows, win+F for example
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: why would you even bother with win+f
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well on a mac it actually works
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: win-l, yo
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: to run a search
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: no need to even press the f
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: good one with the win+l
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no need to press the f?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh, you mean in windows 7
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: not in win 7 :P
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then when is there no reason to press the F to do find?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: win+L is like the only functionally useful winkey shortcut
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe win+e and win+m
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: mush's command processor....after processing an alias, do the resulting commands (if there are any) get put back through the command processor?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: as in, an alias using an alias using an alias.....
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Only if you set 'Send To' to execute, default is to send straight to the mud
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Only if the Send To dropdown is set to Execute
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: on a per-alias basis, or globally?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Per alias, on the alias screen
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ty.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Linkdead) Fuego Tech: Does the Mudlet client support mapping?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Linkdead) Fuego Tech: how do you turn off the channel info, (ie chan ch=tech)
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Type 'quit'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Er, I mean tags channel off
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: tags channels
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Linkdead) Fuego Tech: idiot 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli pats (Linkdead) Fuego on his head.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: No personal attacks. :)  It was an honest mistake, really.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(Linkdead) Fuego Tech: thanks joelz 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: C= Amigan grins evilly.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That's why I said 'Er, I mean tags channel off' :)
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Should have been channels, though. :(
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -n 10
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dingaling Tech: stop chasing tail
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli comforts Ronus.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: Can someone help me set up a backstab alias of sorts in the MUSHclient? I want to remove my weapon, wear another, backstab, then rewear my equipment. Whats the best way to do this?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Use the plugin in Bast's plugins, it has that kind of setup. WeaponSwitch.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: Where do I get that plugin?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Finger bast
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: so, is there a way to get a custom exit in mush to add a bit of a pause to the runto, to allow a mobprog to process?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no real way to add pauses
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: can you add it to the issue list so I can think about ways to add it?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: sure.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: how does the runto work in mush?  Does it formulate the path and send the RUNTO command to the game, or does it just send individual commands similar to the #WALK command in CMud?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: don't you already have a cexit_wait thing?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if I understand the question, that doesn't actually cover the desired effect
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: cexit wait only allows you to take more time to run the cexit. it doesn't allow you to insert pauses in the resulting run
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it sends the run command, Dokkar
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: anyone use mushclient in wine on osx?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Fiendish does all the time.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: so I use a few alt+ macros
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Druzx Tech: i've done it
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: if I do alt+a to attack the wine logo in the top right stays black so if i press h next it does help
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thats one example
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: like its not recognizing the release of it
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: didnt know if there was a simple way to fix that
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah, one sec
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: File->Global Prefs->General
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "Alt key does not activate menu bar"
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: perfect
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: in mushclient, how can I define macros that aren't already listed in the macro dialog box?  SHIFT+CTRL+A for example?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: Accelerator script
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: and wheres the dialog box for that?  I dont see it in the list that comes up with I type cctrl+shift+8 or 9
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: you need to code it
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: oh.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: shit.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Mis.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: guess you found out about the iPhone 5, huh?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: IPhony 5?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, it's not out yet.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it will be here, sometime in March or so
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'm more excited (not) about the iPad 3.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: is anyone on a cp that has a trivia point or practices as part of the reward?  Looking for the labels for each.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: In MUSHclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: The output is the same regardless of the client.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Dokkar: Bast has it added into the cp plugins somehow.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: just checked, just qp and gold here
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: tech you fix that with a screwdriver
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Vodka and Coke is not how you fix that.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: tech screwdriver is vodka and orange
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Vodka and Mango!
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: wireless screw driver is a shot of vodka, lick sugar off your hand, then suck an orange wedge.  :p
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: call that a phillips head, lol
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: with bailey's irish cream, it's called a cement mixer, hehe
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: I dont want the word "head" anywhere near a convo about alchol
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You don't want a Naval Ship? :p
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: why not?  sounds like a good place
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: best pass that one out on an April Fool's crawl.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Head is the toliet
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's a drink full of... seamen?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: yes i have watch NCIS
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: not just Turie...
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: head = Turie, too?!
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Apparently.....
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: That means I have three heads.....
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: is there a command line loop for mush  like in tt i would just do #30 train con
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Not built in, though it's easy enough to create as an alias
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Use a for loop.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there is a plugin for doing it somewhere on the forums
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.mushclient.com/plugins/Repeat_Command.xml
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: does mushclient have support for an internal database or table?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: sweet. so if i want to keep a database of speedwalks, i dont need to maintain hundreds of aliases?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: seems feasable
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: use an array.  :)
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: nods, can store them in Lua tables
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see no reason why that should be a database
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: well, table i suppose rather than database
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: 2 dimensional array of strings ?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: are you using the mapper?  I would think you could just generate them on the fly, bypassing the need for the storing in the first place.
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: mapper area/find are awesome
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: hmm, cps don't come across gmcp yet...how'd you cp tracker authors keep track of targets (assuming you didn't just leave a static list)?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: hi
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: anyone know how to stream via the net with vlc? 
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: stream as in publish, or view?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: stream as in me being the one streaming it from my computer with VLC and then my friend who is using it recieves the live stream
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: it can be done but I am having the most difficult time doing it
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Streaming_HowTo
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there was a link to that right in the screen that pops up when you go to help -> help
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: Yeah, I tried that but the guide is an ancient vlc so it doesn't work like that anymore =/
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then you didn't read the beginning of it
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: ? the copyright 2002-2006 part?
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the second sentence of it says "NOTE: See Streaming HowTo New for more updated information regarding streaming"
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: ty
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note that your computer will need to be accessible from the Internet (not just be able to browse the Internet)...this isn't the case for 90+% of people's computers by default
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're using a home router (yours or ISP-provided) you'll need to tell it to send traffic destined for port 8080 to your computer for http streaming
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although what I just said isn't the case if you're streaming to someone else in the house, as opposed to your friend down the street
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: yeah I still can't get it for the life of me. Ty for the help though appreciate it
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: does anyone have the exact line where you gain bonus exp from the daily blessing?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: yesh
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: could you copy it here?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: You receive 18 bonus quest points from your daily blessing.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: eh no, exp, from kills
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: You receive 107 bonus experience points from your daily blessing.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: oops, sorry
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: thanks !
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: how do i set up a void trigger
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: wat is your objective ?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: And what is your client? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: i want to stay online while im busy with work and im on mush client
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: shift-crtl-0   send p every 10 mins
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's a bit brutish
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: works tho
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: What's Shift-Ctrl-0?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: timers
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Ah, OK.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'd try this.  just type it into your command bar --> #trigger {Your eyes glaze over.} {gt idle}
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Tsk, these graphical clients.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: real men use telnet
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: All players use telnet.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lordrazor Tech: well i use telnet at home hehe
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ouch! Trurien just bish Xiucozcatl in the face.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Real men whistle into their modems.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Mommy, what's a modem?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: well when a mommy computer loves a daddy computer
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: And....?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: A modem is just a word that they use at redneck lawnmower races.  It's typically used in place of 'Go!' as you'll often hear 'Gentlemen, start your engines... and... MODEM LAWNS!'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: I liked it. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: modulate thier frequencies until a protocol is established, them they exchange information until line interference causes a divorce
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Xiu: tl;dw
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Timed out.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -l 30
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ronus (
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ronus :(
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: wtf?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: fail
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: loads of it
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: although the web client is coming along ok
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: you know it's really easy to make a telnet client with python to test against
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: telney server in pyton i meant
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i've actually got a debug-proxy written in python I use
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Xiucozcatl cheers and sings... he is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it's nice because for most stuff i can conect into it and reload the client without having to log in again or worry about hitting maximum reconnect limits or causing mud spam
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: i like virtualbox
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: still having trouble with mccp so if anyone has any experience with that...
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: zlib
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: and ghoogle
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i captured some txt from the mud and i can't get it to decompress with zlib
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I even wrote a little snippet that tried every possible start and stop point in hte txt
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: What language ?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: python on the test, javascript is the ultimate target
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: subnegotations are all forced _inside_ the mccp stream right?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: i dont know but i would guess no
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Yes
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: shows wat i know
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: if the mapper guy is on, a suggestion, show the runto without actually runninhg it
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: use mapper where then
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: hmm i will test my ignorance
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: mapper where Audience Chamber
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: fails
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: read mapper help
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: i dont know the room number
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: then find it
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: ok got it, thanks despite the facepalm
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apocolyte Tech: anyone know where to get a idm.having problems downloading with internet explorer
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Use firefox or chrome
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: internetdownloadmanager.com :D
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But you have to pay for it.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You're better off getting jdownloader. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apocolyte Tech: cant even download chrome.thats how bad it is
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Especially if you're using for sites like rapidshare and mediafire.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec wishes he could get slist via GMCP
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I don't suppose any of the recent mushclient versions has a spellup add on?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bast does
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't really want to duplicate his effort.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apocolyte Tech: the latest one does
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the problem with Bast's version is that it is too hungry for screen real estate
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: You can run it in brief mode, hardly uses any space
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: you should be able to use it without the miniwin add on
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't think so. the newer versions of bast's miniwindow spellup have a compact mode that is very small
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I am using the old miniwin version from NG, that Bast ported, but there is a race bug in it
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods at Lytebane.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: as brief mode, it is the second smallest miniwindow I have created
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: last time I tried,I needed another window to control the appearance of the spellup window
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: or have I got confused?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: confused, I think
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: one window, one spellup. two plugins
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the spellup will run without the window
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (not entirely sure why it's two plugins though)
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: because of vi users
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: plus, when I was coding the thing, it was much easier to concentrate on the spellup part and not worry about the minwindow part until later
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thanks for all the work on the scripts and such Bast - Like them alot
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: for those who use my stat scripts, should be a new release to incorporate some of the blessing data by the end of the week, already have the quest and xp stuff done, just need to see what else is out there
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: bast do you need the other messages? 
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can get bonus levels
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: I stopped using the stat plugins because it was causing intermittent "pauses" in Mush (usually when a mob was being killed)
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: not sure if you've seen something similar Bast.  I'll try the newer version when it comes out to see if its still happening
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: sorry for delay -- machine crashed. So, Bast, I just need the broadcast spellup and bast spellup plugin?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Gonf: What was the last version of my plugins you used?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: looks like 6.10?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Gonf: if you type "plugins" what version does it say next to one of my plugins?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Swalec: miniwindow version of command line version?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Swalec: miniwindow version or command line version?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: 1401
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: miniwin would be nice
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Swalec: do not pick and choose the plugins, copy the entire zip to a "Bast" folder under worlds->plugins and then load the miniwin_spellup plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Gonf: hmm, the latest release is 1443, can you try that and see if it still does it?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: Bast whats the default help alias for the spellup plugin?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: tech so I have the entire Bast folder, and I have the miniwin_spellup plugin installed
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: "bsp help" (for miniwindow help) or "bsp help text" for help to the output window
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Swalec: ok
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: nods, i'll give it a go.  Just been lazy about upgrading :p
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I don't see any obvious miniwins
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Swalec: "mspell spellup info" does it say shown?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: false...
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Swalec: if you don't see it, try "mspell spellup toggle"
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: okay -- some z-order issues, but I have that working now
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the easiest way to add all your spellup spells is "bsp sa all"
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: how do I get the command help? the miniwindow help just seems to show me how to manipulate the windo
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: bsp help
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the actually spellup plugin is bast_spellup, the miniwin_spellup is just an interface for that
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: hmm, "There is no help within Aardwolf"
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: "bsp help"? said that, do you have a bsp alias?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: let me restart from afresh - back in a few
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it's an emote "You lie in your bed, surveying your Brittany Spears memorabilia"
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: restarting -- back in two
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: hmmm -- well something is going wrong with the loading process, I think. 
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I get a message saying "removing miniwin_spellup" , then another saying "removing Broadcast spellup"
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I think I will try playing with this another time, when I am on a faster machine
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Putt-Putt Putty Tech: anyone know if usb wireless adapter is much weaker than card/internal?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: not normally -- depends on the chipset
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: and sometimes the case and so oin
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: wireless power can be a bit unpredictable
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: Can I route WAR info to the comm log in AardMUSH?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: YnysMon, not currently
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you tell me what war info looks like, then I can add that
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: fiendish: http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Main/MudMessages#W
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nice page. thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: basically anything that starts in 'WARFARE: ' or 'GENOCIDE: '
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't see genocide on that page
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, they don't have the 'war has been won by' messages there it seems
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: is there any form of db structure posted where we could see table design to query differnet things for the aardmapper
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Nope, but have you tried just opening it and looking at the plugin?  It's not terribly complicated
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: use the sqlite manager plugin in firefox to look at the db
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it kind of changes regularly
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: something similar to "mapper areaexplored" to give a roomtotal of each unique area
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you could just request that feature
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'd be happy to add it
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in the meantime you can get the number of explored rooms for the current area by using "mapper area %"
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: then if i could request the "area" command to add the number of of rooms in that area
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: please submit that on https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/issues/list
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: yea thats what ive been doing fiend for now. but i was just going to keep a running total
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: submitted
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: great
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: is there a command for listing areas with total number of rooms in aard?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: other than explored in each area
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Like areas explored? or areas unexplored?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: yup thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thought there was, couldnt remember it - guess no more 3-4month breaks for me
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -n 10
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: will i ever learn :(
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: one of these i will finish newbie school
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -n 10
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: chat plugin coming along ok
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: hrmmm...
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: not enough chatter to make testing this plugin easy :p
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can make your own chatter :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ftalk, says, can even tell yourself stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: chatter chatter chatter
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: chatter chatter chatter
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: chatter chatter chatter
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Say something controversial on debate.  That usually works.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsloth's Tsarikos Tech: or stupid on gossip, that's always happening
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fae Wino Joelz rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: spam
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: lovely spam
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: spam rocks
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: test
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i cant think of a good argument, can someone think of some flamebate for debate?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imaginary Wissie Tech: gwb was the best president the us ever had :P
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i dont want to end up on everyone's ignore :P
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is there a way to create a private channel?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you have a few...
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: grouptell, ftalk, tell, say
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: whisper!
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't remember if spouse works w/o marriage
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zopiclone Tech: it doesn't
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: echo 
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ahh ftalk is good
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: echo only tests channels if you're not using a gmcp capture and know the exact message
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: is there a way to set an alias to send/prefix a semicolon to a command, like you can do from the command line?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: uh, in mush?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: put the semicolon in twice, should escape it
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: so, ;; at the start of the alias text to send?
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: doesn't seem to be working.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: in mush, whats the keyboard shortcut to bring up the dialog box to test a trigger?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: is anyway to make mushclient to run faster?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: drop it off a cliff
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: downgrade windows
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: if i set it on my process with high priority will that work?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i have xp...is enough i think :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: shout "run, forest! run!"
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: what is si slow about it then?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: is slow when i move from room to room
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: ahh then run faster
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: or get faster internet
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: disable the mapper maybe
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: turn off all your scripts, triggers, and addons
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: no..i need my scripts triggers etc :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: and what tehy say
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: and my internet is very good...very very good :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: then you'll have to live with it or get a different client
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: if you're not willing to disable it all in order to see whether they affect them, how do you expect to find out what's causing it?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: any ideas on how this chat-window ought to work? I'm thinking it should display all chat filterable by channel and give the obtion to inhibit chat on a channel-by-channel basis in the main scrawl
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Right-click for options, assuming MUSH
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: no i'm writing my own client
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Test MUSH - that is how a chat capture should work.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: I like having several different chat windows for different types of chat, each with own history :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wink Tech: can anyone solve the mystery of why i am seeing flags like {chan ch=gossip}, and {help}...{/help} around everything?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: help tags
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: or just type tags off
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Which client are you using - those tags can be very useful
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wink Tech: Tags! oh thats much better. i couldnt figure out what theyre called. Thank you!
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tulkas Tech: hmm when i used to use zmud there was a way either by triggers or somthing else to get the consider results to show up in color and tell you the level range. any one can tell me how to do that with that aard mush client?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tulkas Tech: hmm when i used to use zmud there was a way either by triggers somthing else to get the consider results to show up in color and tell you the level range. any one can tell me how to do that with that aard mush client? sorry for color didnt mean to
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There is a consider colourer plugin I use...lemme find out where I got it...
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tulkas Tech: awsome thank you so much
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apocolyte Tech: its on the client.maby not your version
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Nick Gammon wrote it apparently, check the MUSHclient forums
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Help->forum
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Also shows you the level range (this channel hopping is making my head hurt :-P  )
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Ooh.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I thought I saw you say it on gossip :P It's your mischan's fault :P
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yeah, my bad :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does nick play here btw? I remember running his win32 pennmush port back in the day on my p166
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: thoughts on drawing a horizontal rule at room change?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: configurable, and not while running.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: do it but make it bold and flashing
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Eww, there is no accounting for tastes.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: there is accounting for trolls
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: eventually.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Trurien cannot wait till trolls are accounted for.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: even beter do the knight rider effect, but make each rule start at a different random point
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: accounting for trolls? how is that different from accounting for humans?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: more acid ?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: We want to get rid of the trolls who are also humans.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Troll accounting is 1, 2, more than 2.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: how about if you don't have something to contribute to a conversation you say the ..... out of it?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: dont make me switch windows and 'ask'.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: stay the .
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: i wonder why in 30 years of muds nobody has put a horiziontal rule on room changes
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Balygr Tech: what are you talking about????
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I don't think it's a good idea, it doesn't flow, Xiu.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: sometimes it's hard to tell you changed rooms with custom exits or mp transfers.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Balygr Tech: who cares
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Hmm, I would rather be made to guess.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: It can be pretty obvious if you open your eyes, I think.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Balygr Tech: go for it
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: or enforce a room desc format
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: or send specail room changed messages
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: You can already tell with the exits below, unless you've turned it off?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: not all muds describe exits in the same way
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: This one is pretty standard.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: if you feel like it's still necessary as an option then make it configurable default off, worst case is nobody uses it.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: No, probably not, but what I mean is, we're only talking about this one.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Balygr Tech: eowie309
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: this onr is based on ROM
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: rom / diku's are common but not universal
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: You're talking about another one, not Aard? Must have missed the first part of the conversation then.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: that's because we're *on* this one, if you want opinions based on multiple muds ask on a MUD forum.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: was this client to be specialised for aard ?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Trurien is agreeing with that Ironfist Razor person again...
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i mean this one tells you via gmcp when your room has changed
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Balygr Tech: via what?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Not all clients can read GMCP. I haven't compiled the tintin++ 2.0 beta yet.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: my client can :) http://webclient.caskeytranscription.com/test.html
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: hrmm, i wonder how it would look if i put the room description in a div and rolled it up so only the title showed when the next room description came in and expanded it again on mouse over
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: - h20
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so in terms of an auto-map, do you pretty much have to figure out things the hard way? coords from gmcp don't appear helfpul
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: They're quite helpful.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: they don't change do they?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or helfpul, in your case.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Within the area, they don't change.  On continents, they do.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Coordinates are helpful, but more helpful are the room exits which should be room UIDS
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so coordinates tell you where you are within a room?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: drool room id
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: The cont is the continent (number) the area is in.  The x/y coordinates are the coordinates on that continent your area is located.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and areas occupy one and only one x,y coord?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Correct.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but within an area you have to build by exit
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does aard ever use the standard exit names for non-sstandard exits?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: are the rooms really on a grid?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes, no
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: They could, if the builder wanted it that way, but more than likely, they won't.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: aardwolf rooms are not exactly on a grid just because they only use 6-connected exits
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you might go 2 to the right when you go e for example?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sort of
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you might go n2es and end up back where you started
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You can go north, east, south, west and end up in a completely different room than you started in.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or, as Fiendish pointed out, going n2es and end up where you started.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: exit directions are flat, but exit lengths are not guaranteed
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the only info about exits that aard saves is what exit links to what room
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I should say that exit lengths are usually flat. sometimes they aren't
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's up to the builder if they wan't to have a regular grid
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: want*
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: this is especially true in the case of one-way exits
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: consider Storm Ships of Lem-Dagor, where going we takes you to an entirely different part of the map
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: this is why the gmcp mapper in mushclient doesn't actually display ALL of the maps for an area at once
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: either rooms overlap or you have to hurt performance and make exits look funky with a "squeeze everything in" algorithm
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: err I meant "ALL of the rooms"
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: I am getting Trigger function spellheaders_redirect not found or had a previous error over and over and over again. Anyone know why?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: reload bast's plugins
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: bugs in a script
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: Thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: go find the very first error message that started it all, and report that message to bast
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "had a previous" error means there was a real error that caused a plugin to fail, and now that plugin won't run until reloaded for safety.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so find the one that was the real error
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: how does he like to get the reports?  i have had a few of those in last few days
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: probably best through https://code.google.com/p/bastmush/issues/list
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: click on New Issue
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: roger
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also make sure you're using the latest version of his plugins before posting a bug report
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because he may have already fixed it
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Acidbburn Tech: there was 1 match which I could not find a path to within 300 rooms. I use mapper goto (room number)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: try mapper area
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: faster but wont fix your problem
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: you need to cross a custom exit
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Acidbburn Tech: ah okay thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: anyone here use icefilms?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: no but now im curious
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: stream tv/movies
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: better than VLC ?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: it's a website that lists tv shows and movies in an organized way, with a custom plugin to let you stream through your browser.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: tech i like http://www.kat.ph/
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: pumped up hulu
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: that's just a torrent website.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: yeah it has everythin i want, with no drm
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Is there a problem with the mushclient download? The autoupdate gave me an error with a URL in it, the URL returns a 404 error, and the downloads page on the aardwolf mush site on google seems to be empty.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm about to upload a new snapshot now
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: please wait :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You flick your whip across his bare back. 
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that is bound to happen any time I'm switching out the download
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, no problem, I only mentioned it in case noone was aware it was erroring
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: for anyone using my plugins, I also just released an update, which is mostly adding blessing stuff to the various stat plugins
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: bast, does your update track blessing bonuses? ie received x bonus Y times, and Z bonus Q times?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, just the extra qp/xp when getting blessing bonuses
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lytebane, type "package update check"
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I tend to think I am a great coder but to put that together in a 2 days would be awesome ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: hehe
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and I have only seen about 4 different blessings in the two days I have gotten blessings
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I got a free level today
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Works fine now, thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: awesome
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OMG It's Aleks Tech: Free level?  Nice!
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods at OMG It's Aleks.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: free level but no double xp
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess it's a trade off
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: i like the x2 exp from the blessing during x2 from SHloud/donate 
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: not a tradeoff in code terms
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: so far, I have gotten gold, double xp, double qp, and a trivia point
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ah, so I just wasn't extra lucky then I guess
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: the only blessing that is affected by another blessing is there's a guarantee to always get at least one of exp or qp
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: there was a post on facebook that someone got a silver nexus portal
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: woa
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: very cool
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: indeed
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: (other than 'same blessing different amount' where you can't get two the same)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Silver nexus portal?  Wow... never heard of those.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or did you mean silver chaos?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: silver chaos portal
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: err chaos portal :p
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I bet the chances of the chaos portals are much like the chances of the leaflet turning into a tp ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Ah, okay.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Bast: I know a guy who knows a guy who swears that he heard of a leaflet paying out once
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: since last reboot 3 chaos portals have been given out, but no special ones.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yeah, I think I know that same guy
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: and iirc Eureka got a leaflet to convert yesterday.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Heh."
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: (based on ftalk, not inside info)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I've had one leaflet convert.  I remember Razor telling me to announce it so people didn't think he was full of crap. ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I only trust 10% of what I hear on ftalk :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: any good subnet people on :)  Figure I can get my game fix and my network fix at the same time :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: are exits uniquely numbered or do they just point to the room #?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they point to a room
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or to -1
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: sorry earthquest in dc for all those who sent tells, have to leave the building.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Earthquest?  Wow.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: yeah, felt it in state college
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Cool...an earthquake and an earthquake, both on the same day..:-P
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: earthquest, rather..:-P
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: anyone play on a mac?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sometimes
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: what client do you use? and do you run it through wine? i'm using the mushclient right now through wine, but i don't know (if there even is a way) to save my client settings.. it resets every time i open it back up
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, fiendish is the guy that makes the aard mushclient package ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: ah lol :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so he uses mushclient, and yes under wine :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which settings are being reset whenever you open it?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your settings reset?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: do you know if there's any way to force wine to keep the settings?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: yeah, granted i'm new to mac - but whenever i run mushclient it's as if i am starting it again from scratch. all the windows reset to default positions, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wine has nothing to do with any of hte settings
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: is it a matter of never closing wine to keep settings?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: i dont use wine, i dont know if it keeps its state between sessions or not
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: wine has nothing to do with saving state
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What do you mean by state?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: it's not an issue with mushclient though
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but wine's state doesn't impact mushclient's windows
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient state is stored in files within the mushclient directory
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: mushclient has to store its settings somewhere. if wine doesnt write anything to disk, there's no record
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I find it hard to believe that wine on the mac doesn't write files
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hold on. let me go test. this will take me a bit
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: just the way the windows are set up, i just have to move them back to where i keep them. i was only curious, it's no big issue to move them back. just didnt know if there was a way to make them stay
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: it could be a setting, i dont actually know. i dont use it
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it is a big deal
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: sorry, im new to mac like i said.. apologize if it's a newb question. and please dont go to trouble because of me ><
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: andercross, are you using a recent aard mushclient package?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: if the problem does exist, it's with wine, not with mush
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: have you tried pressing the save button on the toolbar ?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: i started playing aard less than a week ago, it would have been the client from the homepage
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Andercross: which wine are you using?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: i sure havent... i'll look now
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fae Wino Joelz Tech: also, are you closing mush, or just closing wine? mush only saves its settings on exit, doesnt it?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or if you force save with ctrl+s
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: X11 xquarts 2.3.6 - and i close wine/everything, normally turn laptop off
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: save world first
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ooh, cheers on the warfate to comm log :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your settings mostly won't save if you don't exit mushclient first
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: warfare*
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish looks at you and goes "Heh."
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or explicitly save
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: did a ctr s, probably will fix the issues.. silly of me to never even think of that. i greatly appreciate it
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe I should go through and change that behavior
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I should probably have all settings save to disk right away
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: greatly appreciate all the help
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did it work?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: about to find out
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: worked.. thanks so much!!
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess that means I need to go and make all settings save instantly
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'd be good :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well, all plugin settings
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andercross Tech: well, i really appreciate the help. and all the time and work you put in to make the client, it's the best mud client i've ever used
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: almost as good as tinyfugue }:>
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: haha
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: I'm afraid of you people.... but...  i needz halp wiff mah mush :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: BEAFRAID
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know what a fraid is.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: I tried to update to Bast's new zip...  but now the broadcast_spellsskills plugin won't load and that broke the spellup
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "won't load"
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: about 10 angrr red lines followed up by "Line 571: Error parsing script. (Cannot load)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and those angry red lines say?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: Run-time error Plugin: xBroadcast_SpellSkills (called from world: Aardwolf) Immediate execution  ...MUSHclient\MUSHclient\worlds\plugins\Bast\lua\chardb.lua:1176: attempt to index local 'stmt' (a nil value)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: there is more if that'll be helpful :-P
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's pretty useful
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: did you try restarting mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: several times
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suggest sending bast a report of the entire error message
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: stack traceback:
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: ...MUSHclient\MUSHclient\worlds\plugins\Bast\lua\chardb.lua:1176: in function
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: <...MUSHclient\MUSHclient\worlds\plugins\Bast\lua\chardb.lua:1152>
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: What spellup do you use, Fiendish?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: bast's
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but I haven't upgraded to the very latest version yet
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: let me try
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: hmmmm...  I'd be happy to just go back to the old Nick Gammon one...
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Just had an error trying to connect with mushclient, something about decompressing text from mud, from memory I think it said something like 'invalid distance too far back'. Any ideas? I remember Fiendish asking for reports about a similar message a couple of months ago on the tech board, so thought I should mention it.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, looks like there was an issue with mccp, so that's probably turned off on you now (type compress)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's a zlib error. I'm not sure if there's anything you can do about it other than restart mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: probably have to quit MUSH & relaunch to bring it back
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, no problem, just remembered you asking for reports a couple of months ago, which is why I mentioned it.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I was
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: decompression errors are unlikely to be caused by something other than signal noise between you and the server
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and in most cases the error is not recoverable
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well, in some cases
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: most people never see those errors. a few people see those errors frequently. I remember Whisper was having a lot of trouble with them 
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: That's only the second time I've ever seen it. By the way, any progress yet on tracking down the black miniwin thing yet?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: still no
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I've seen it happen once. no way to reproduce it.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Had it 3 times in rapid succession a few days ago. Seemed to happen while I was doing campaigns quickly at low level, and tending to portal back to town immediatly after a kill before the miniwin_events had updated, not sure if that's relevant. Slowed myself down a bit and it stopped happening but could be coincidence.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it probably is
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: I updated basts plugins.. and berserk is no longer on the spells list. typed bsst refresh, and bsp senable berserk, which tells me.. berserk not in list
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: any suggestions on how to find it?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe bsp sadd berserk?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: that did it, thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: I wonder if I should do a database for homework sorting out all the characters and their allegiances in the Wheel of time series
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: do you have enough time for that?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: what are the other ports for this place?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Help ports lists them :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Happy to help :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrym Tech: how can i make an alias in mushclient so i can alias kill <blah> to say e n w s kill <blah>?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Is this for ranged weapons?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrym Tech: huh?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shortbus Stutz Tech: an alias that moves and attacks I believe would be breaking the botting rules...
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Certainly would be illegal in a gquest.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I was thinking the same thing.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrym Tech: it was just an example, and certainly impractical, i just want to know how to do it
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: ...
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: However, ranged weapons would have it where you could shot into the adjacent room. The only problem is that I do not know if has been implemented or even the code has been written.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: anyone had an issue with updating bast's plugins for the daily additions and the level reporter no longer working?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: me!
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: I have other shit not working
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: anyone other than whisper? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I only use the spellup miniwindow plugin, so problems with other plugins go unnoticed by me
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Argyle nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrym Tech: can anyone tell me please?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: everything else seems to be working
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I have the miniwindows go blank and not repaint.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Adrym: you want to make aliases?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrym Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: turie: if you can find a way to reproduce that you'll be a step ahead of me
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: yeah I have that issue too but you can just restart mush to fix it :p
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Aliases
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Adrym ^
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrym Tech: thanks :D
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it sounds like it's in some way related to one or more of bast's plugins
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Fiendish: It is completely random it seems. However, I will turn the debug on to see what is going on and take a screenshot of it.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but the symptoms requiring a client restart baffles me
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Fiendish: That is my wonder.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrym Tech: thanks guys that will make using amulet a lot easier :)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Adrym: you may also want to check out https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/CommandLineAliasesAndTriggers
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: for adding simple aliases from the command line
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: don't you hate it when you get interrupted in a project and forget what cool new thing you were going to add or how to add it?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: write yourself notes
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ok i dont think this is gonna work but check out this map :P
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: http://webclient.caskeytranscription.com/test.html?host=caskeytranscription.com&port=4000
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and yes i know the giant yellow box isn't resizable or movable right now :P
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: this is what I see. http://i.imgur.com/vrraf.png
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argyle Tech: really weird, but somehow hitting superhero fixed the level reporter
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: whisper please imm now. I'm scared.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Careless Whisper snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: click in the prompt and login and then look around you will see the rooms added ot the map as you walk and look
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what's the prompt?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: the little white box under the black text area, if you close out the maps and chats window you will see it better
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what's the big yellow thing?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: tahts the map area, for some reason when i set it to be in a dialgo right now the whole thing goes bonkers
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I closed the map window, but it doesn't go away
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so I can't see the mud output
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yeah the yellow area is stuck just wing it
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: its too slow but it leooks pretty
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: btw if you take off test.html from the end you can see the bits that actually work :P
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: might I suggest some layout control?  It's going to be brutal playing on something cluttered up with all that stuff ontop of each other.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: in time :P
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah i couldn't see output or anywhere to type
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: post those gmcp ideas again when it's viable.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: http://webclient.caskeytranscription.com/ will provide a more satisfactory experience :P
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's dropping characters and adding nulls
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when creating a new char I get...aaand then it crashed firefox
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: :\
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does it do that on the non-test version?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: that graph library is just too heavy and glitchy
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the non test version just crashed firefox
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: well look on the bright side, it's java, there will be 19 other APIs to do almost exactly the same thing.
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: screw that im not touching any more java thats all
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: it isnt java?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it looks like java to me
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: only the socket code
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: me too
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I get a big applet warning
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: everything else is javascript
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so i just need to spend a weekend and hack up a backend for long-polling http and then it will be playable without anything special
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but the idea was that i wonted folks to be able to send data directly to the mud without having to worry about password sniffing
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ugh... it turned on a bunch of tags
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yeah i don't know why aard stores tags that are negotiated
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yeah conventional garph optimziation algos are apprently..O(vertexes^3)
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: methinks thats not so hot with 2000 rooms or so in memory
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: hmm once the patch on mush gets downloaded does it automatically attach itself to aard file or do you have to do it manually
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: its the one big downside to mush, upgrades are manual
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are no patches, only full downloads
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: well it
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: well its an 8.2mb download then
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: correct
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrym Tech: i keep getting kicked off :/
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: That's just Lasher having a little fun...:-P  j/k
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: You could be kicked off if you run a command that outputs too many lines at once...
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: anyone know if they fixed the music playback in IOS5b6?
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: waiting on the d/l now
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: "Multiple sources are reporting -- and Reuters is confirming -- that Apple has plans to bring an 8GB version of the iPhone 4 to market next month alongside news that the iPhone 5 is on the way. No word yet on price but there's a chance that it will be priced to compete in the sub-$200 market, which would be awesome."
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: is there is in fact a new phone coming out next month, then having the small iphone 4 as a cheaper options would be in line with how htey have been doing things for three years now
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: that fist is should be if
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: has anyone got more than 1 instant levelup from daily blessings?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: I've seen quite a few folks get 2.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: right, does anyone have the message for that?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lulz Tech: You can get instant levels from the daily blessings, too?! Wish I was that lucky. I've only gotten 1 TP so far aside from the usual fare.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: is there an or argument for the if then statements in lua? like "if a=b or c=d then"
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: of course
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: so I just write it as I just did?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Well, apart from your equality operators (which should be ==)
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Yes.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: ah yeah lol oops
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Apocolyte Tech: anyone know how to remove a crack/patch?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: whats wrong with this code for mush.... alias is "tempest *" and script section is if %1 == nil then   Execute ("c tempest") else   Execute ("c tempest %1") end
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gonf Tech: what error are you receving?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarLord Mars Tech: cast tempest on who, when I do "tempest mars"
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: how do I create a winamp playlist on mobile winamp
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh... I right-click it
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: Wahoo TP giveaway time
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: Is there an easy way to enter multiple commands for a mapper cexit without disabling command stacking while I do it?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: gimme gimme
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ;;
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Two semicolons between the commands
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: need a simple php command created
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: wow.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lloll Tech: thanks!
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: my bad got kicked off :)
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: back for tp giveaway
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yay!
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: php friendly regular expression
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lulz Tech: Yay, TP!
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: <tr><td>TEst</td><td>2001-01-01</td><td>10:48</td>.......
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: \*
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: i just hate regex
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: regex is the ex when you not having an ex
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Holliday - what are you trying to extract from that string, and in what format?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: i need date and time
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: panic
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: In an array, or separate variables?  Will they always be in the second and third td blocks?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Xiucozcatl looks around afraid for his life.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: array would be fine :)
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: preg_match ("/<td>(\d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2})<\/td><td>(\d{2}:\d{2})<\/td>",$string,$matches), where $string is the string being matched against, and $matches holds the matches - $matches[1] will be the date, $matches[2] will be the time
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Ah, sorry, forgot the ending / at the end of the pattern
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: No problem
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: my sd card on the phone has 2GB used, but I can't find it in folders
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: can this be hidden or something
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It can be.  Hook it up to a PC and check?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I'll tyr
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well it doesn't display
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You have show hidden folders?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it just doesn't show as a drive
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hmm..
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I set it to show as drive, not to charge only too
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I sort it by size on the phone, the top folder is empty
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: xstats
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: right it shows on the pc now
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's some maps
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Anyone else having a run-time error for xBroadcast_SkillSpells.xml?
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone know what error is http://pastebin.com/BFYMHVGi
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: clueless
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: that is the whole reason for having something written down in a contract.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: is there a way to disable the daily blessing prompt? without using it of course.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlaloc Tech: client side gag of course
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Also listed under config all, DAILY PROMPT
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: thanks menda
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: But why disable - kind of useful :)
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: on a phone now, space is hard to get. lol.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ahh that makes sense.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Steve Jobs, the man who brought Apple back from the brink more than a decade of ago, has resigned as CEO of the company. Tim Cook, who has been serving as the tech giant's leader while Jobs has battled pancreatic cancer for the past six months, will take over. It's been widely speculated that Jobs is losing his fight with cancer, sadly. Jobs will remain attached to the company as Chairman of the board of directors.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Global Menace Tech: yup
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: can I have one line of output set off teo different triggers?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: mush
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: no idea, but it's easy to test?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cera, that's what the "keep evaluating" checkbox is in the trigger definition window
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: awesome, thanks abelinc
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prosecutor Godot Tech: Any easy to use MUD clients for aard for a Mac without requiring the use of parallels?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Does mudlet work on Mac?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it should
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient works on mac with Wine
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: mushclient works on mac with parallels too
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Druzx Tech: tinyfuge can work
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: he said without parallels
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/MacLinux
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: tinyfugue
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: or tintin++ :p
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: he said easy to use
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: oh, i read that as easy to bot
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: oopsie
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Druzx Tech: you could use crossover bottles...
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the link I posted shows very simple instructions for getting Wine on a mac
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: tech "Steve Jobs' text was meant to say: "I reign as CEO of Apple" Damn you autocorrect!" 
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I concur
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ok fun stuff :)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: http://webclient.caskeytranscription.com/test.html and close out the chat window and then walk around a bit and click a button the map window
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: While we're on the subject of wine, any tips for getting MUSHclient running well on linux and wine? I tried it earlier and it runs too slowly to be useable on my machine...and before someone says it, spending money upgrading isn't an option :)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what version of wine are you using?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prosecutor Godot Tech: Do you need to pay for Wine?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: no, free
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Good question, I'd guess whatever was current a couple of months ago...I'll have to reboot to check. Be back in a sec :)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: current for which distro?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are you pulling directly from winehq?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the only time I've seen it get too slow to be usable was when I tried adding a registry hack to get around an intel graphics driver bug
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: time
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but then intel fixed their driver finally
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'm using wine 1.3.22 on slackware 13.37
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you haven't added any dumb registry hacks have you?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Hello everyone, i need some hints, been away too long, and downloaded most recent beta version r1319. My current problem is I see tags like affoff
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prosecutor Godot Tech: Thanks for the help btw :P
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Aduin: because you had a spellup plugin before that you don't have now
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: are there any rules on autowalking on aard?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I did start fresh only imported aliases so far.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can type "tags spellups off"
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "autowalking"?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: thanks that makes sense
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Aduin: finger bast for an add-on package that has a spellup plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Not added anything at all, just as it comes, the screen update seems sluggish and typing lags a bit.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Ah yes, bast was the one with all the scripts.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Oh and forgot how to access the gmcp mapper or what help directs me there :p
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mapper help
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Gah, thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It's slowly coming back now, thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Lytebane: try moving to 1.3.26? I have zero lag with it
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: I'll give it a go, thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there may be a performance regression or something in 1.3.22
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: as it's a non-stable release
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: nobody is interested in my autowalking :(
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Is it useful to install that plugin that gathered all the tagged information for use with other plugins? or is it already installed?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you click the name of the room and it takes you there
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Bleh, wait, the tagged information is a seperate way of presenting the data from the gmcp way?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yeah, though most tags don't overlap with GMCP
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yes, why they don't do a gmcp compat channel i dont know
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Sorry I sound confused, it's just that I remember with the last version I had it half gmcp and half triggers mostly based on tags.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: still that way i think
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: oh comeon, someone tinker with it real quick i gotta head out in 5 min :P
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I've completely lost track of this conversation
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: my client now remembers the rooms you visit and will path you back there. it currently only shows nearby rooms just to keep the list down because i haven't added filtering yet
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: http://webclient.caskeytranscription.com/test.html
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: will it still crash firefox?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: if your lucky
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: (shouldn't)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: suuure
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i disabled all the purty map drawwing
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: did it behave for you?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: gotta afk 60 min for lunch w/ the wifey
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: I don't see any remembered rooms
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hmm... Komodo editor... seems... interesting.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Komodo editor takes forever and a day to start up, though
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's super annoying
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: But it's such a nice editor.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: back
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: Guatemala did you walk around some?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it will be on the map window
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: I am using the flash client - how do I enable mccp?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: You don't.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mekhar Tech: Ah, well thanks, then.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: walking around didn't help
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you have a Maps window?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there was a maps window
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: what browser?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: firefox 6
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: looks ok over here...
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I don't like the new firefox so much anymore :(
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and im in ff6 as well
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: also chrome works fine
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}DJ Krayzed Mixmaster Tech: love chrome
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}DJ Krayzed Mixmaster Tech: so clean
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: anyone else had problems w/ it?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: doesn't even connect in chromium
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: firefox feels a bit sluggish these last versions and consuming huge amounts of memory.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: finedish, probably a java applet problem
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: probably
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ill write a web socket and delayed http poll backend as well
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: let me try again
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It's using 212mb right now with only google.com open and no user actions yet, all plugins are disabled :p
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i'm 59mb
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: err at
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: yeah, nothing is showing in maps
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: are you relying on tags or something?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: a list of butotns with room names should appear as you walk around
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i do rely on gmcp but it should turn that on for you
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does it show on under protocols?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: i'm seeing chats show up (though hard to read with such a large font and no colors)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: gmcp is not getting enabled
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: also colors aren't being shown right
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: bright green is too dark
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: oh wait
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: that could ust be my colorset. hold on
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yeah they are just place-holder colors
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: test
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: ah ok
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: red is whatever red is in your browser, i haven't fiddles with those at all
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: what are the two bars at the top left?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: they don't move
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: hp and ...nothing
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: except no gmcp
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: so nothing and nothing
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: are chats captured with tags?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: tehy are
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: interesting
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I can't think as to why it isn't picking up gmcp though
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: can you disconnect and start a new char and test?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemala Tech: sure
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: uh...I cant get through creation
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I get stuck at choose experience level
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hold on
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i made it through just fine
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i just created and logged into Robtest, no issues
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemalatoo Tech: dunno what to tell you. I couldn't complete creation
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Guatemalatoo Tech: had to do it in mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: anyone else able to give it a try?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is gmcp enabled on your test char?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so were also stuck at choose a skill level?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: had to create the char in another client. then logging in with your client, no gmcp
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: err 1
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: here's something the get fustrating about mush... when I copy an paste, sometimes I can't paste to a mac prorgam outside MUSH.  annoying
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if it's from the comm window.. you have to right-click copy
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: steve jobs is probably going to die soon. it makes sense.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: yeah, right clicking copy still wont let me paste into a program outside mush.  damnit.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Cera: did you say "sometimes"?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: I can do it sometimes, other times no.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: right now, no.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "sometimes" sounds like something going on with Wine. do you have clipboard sharing active?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: probably a wine thing.  (*sigh*)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: i havent installed anything that messes with clipboard, jsut standard
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or it could be an X11 issue
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which is even worse
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: great.  maybe I should try the "microsoft solution"?  (ie, reboot)  (*grin*)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Heh."
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I mean when I hear "sometimes" I think "system problem"
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: brb...
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: that didn't fix it.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: so fustrating.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: guess I could log it, then open that?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: anyone has an idea why my bast plugin windows go completely dark sometimes?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: i mean it literally, as in the window just becomes like black
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: but it is there still
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nobody knows why. http://mushclient.com/forum/?id=11315&page=999
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warlen Tech: i see, so its a known issue 
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sort of
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: awesome steam crashed mushclient, and now it seems alot of the triggers are missing :p
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it might be a case of user-too-close-to-keyboard
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i joke! :P
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: im getting spammed with spellheaders_redirect anyone know which plugin that is?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you installed basts?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: and then I closed mush while steam was running, that was a mistake :p
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Bast's plugins are crashing on me it seems in the latest update
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: but im pretty sure this must be due to mushclient not exiting properly, i clicked exit and got a critical error application needs to close now msg
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: although I do indeed have all of the latest on a clean install (well not clean now obviously)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: It was the xBroadcast module, reinstalled all of basts xBroadcast and now it seems gone :)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Why does steam seem to interfere with so much stuff anyway :(
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it never bothers my mush at all
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: weird, but that's what I constantly read on forums complaining about steam crashing half the replies are my steam hasn't crashes in years, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: and the other half suffers from mysterieus instabilities :)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I have yet to see a pattern
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: someone using Mac ?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lots of people do, yup :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: how to get access to ASCII chars
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: calling them people is a bit much
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: you must take the ascii from my hand, young apprentice.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what do you mean access to ascii chars? just type
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: for example in this case cm3 , the small 3 letter :)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: in pc its just alt+numpad code, but wonder how its in mac
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you're looking for extended ascii...most of those are option-letters
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: keycaps is an easy way to find them
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: was gonna say, doesn't sound like an ascii symbol to me
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: go into system preferences, to international. click input menu tab, check "keyboard viewer"
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then up in the top-right corner of your menubar, there'll be an international flag thingie...drop-down on that for show keyboard viewer
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'll display a keyboard...as you press modifier keys, it'll change to show you what special chars the keys will make
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: instead of keyboard viewer (or in addition to), you can add the "character palate" to the input menu, that may be easier for you to find stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: yeah well i found same thing on google, just that its bit complicated to do that since i suck on kanji letters :D
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then you wouldn't recognize it when you saw it...
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and that's not ascii :P
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: and gf refuses to reboot and change layout to european readable. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't need to reboot
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: (well, no, but restart some work)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: (reboot was my bad)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Feral Farkyss Tech: shoot girlfriend
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: hell no, i love her so much i even did mudchar for her! ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: ...yet never logged on tho...
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Given this following table (in Lua): wtable = [null,{"result1":1, "exam1":"quiz1","theory1":"unfounded1"},{"result2":2,"exam2":"quiz2","theory2":"unfounded2"}] -- wtable[1] will return the full line of result1 through theory1.  Is there a way to call just specific parts of it (e.g. wtable[1.theory1], though that doesn't work)?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or will I have to store the results to a local variable, then call it out from there?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: win7 pro or win7 ultimate?....
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: OSX-Lion
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: i'm running pro, its nice, no experience with ultimate though
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: it got language pack support and some other interesting things...but unlike pro and home its only supported till 2015... instead of 2020
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: so.......mush question: the noexp and moonbot windows of bast's....is there a way to get the window to display again?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: enable re-enable plugin?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: cp miniwindow had a function I could invoke....but I can't find an equivalent for these other two.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: a whole window just for noexp? ... :/
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Disable the plugin.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, it's like a giant version of the promptflag iirc
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: yes, a whole window for noexp.  not sure I'm going to keep it around, just want to be able to evaluate it fairly. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think it only shows up when you're in noexp mode, try turning it off & back on again
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: i can evaluate it for u... its BLASPHEMY!
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I may be a bit ahead of the game on the moonbot one.  haven't got all the moons again yet, though it disappeared on me yesterday (got disconnected) and I couldn't get it back again (within the same session)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you mush coders aren't too big on efficiency, are you?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: totally unrelated (yeah....right): soooooo.....when's the next black moon up?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if my numbers are correct, we have 16 ticks, so about 8 minutes
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: actually, there's an "events" miniwindow that does cps, quests, etc. that I think would make a natural fit for repackaging.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ty, dokkar.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: anyone remember what I was doing?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: stupid martini....
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OMG It's Aleks Tech: Writing me a check for $1,000,000.00.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OMG It's Aleks Tech: It's taking WAY too long.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: writing the check will not be your rate-limiting step.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: OMG It's Aleks sniffs sadly.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: heh, so....anyone else get 'E' as the amount of double qps? :)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: not me
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: yes, it's the daily bonus
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: not it
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: We in hex now?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the daily bonus is just a boolean, 0 = false, 1 = true.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not hex, scientific not
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: oooh, got another bonus 'E' points.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: it's the bast plugin for the quest bonus :P
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I take it no one knows then. :(
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: or someother bonus
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: I saw it for the quest
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: it's the bast plugin.  just not sure why it's 'E'.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: shrug, I was told that it's the way it should be
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: works for me.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: pretty moon window not showing.....disable/enable, was that what I was told to do?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: type mb moons toggle
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careless Whisper Tech: if it doesn't come up maybe you haven't seen all three moons (yet)
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: oh sweet, ty.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: worked with that noexp window I was talking about too.  totally the shortcut I was hoping for, thanks!
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: any ideas why a miniwindow that has been toggled on keeps needing to be toggled on every time it disappears?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: so, no ideas on why a miniwindow won't stay toggled on?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: something's turning it off on purpose?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: yes, but that's by design.  it's supposed to go away and come back....but the "come back" part isn't working.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I wind up having to 'toggle' it.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: got %c at the end of your prompt?
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: really?  dunno, I'll check.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: if it's not for something anchored on the prompt, you'll probably need to find the trigger and compare the pattern to the line you're actually receiving.
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: nope, it's the double window....and the moon window, and the noexp window.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: is there a var type thing for first mob in the room?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dagfib Tech: okie dokie, ty
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zypop Tech: anyone good at tintin scripting?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Depends how good you need. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So I'm setting up my laptop for a weekend away, any idea how to reset the bast plugin window locations? They're well and truly offscreen :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well as a last resort you can delete the state files
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Worst case I move all the windows to the top left on my actual pc, then recopy, but I was hoping for the lazy man's fix :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Thanks anyways
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try checking bast's website for clues
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: w00t! fixed - wish there was a resetbast option though :-(
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: mush here, i have a runto trigger that sends a 'runto area' to the 'world' and it works, but how would i get an alias to trigger on that 'runto area'?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: trigger?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Send to execute.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what do you mean "runto trigger"?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i type quest info and it feeds 'runto area' now
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh, I see
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: i'm trying to replace all the runtos one by one with portals
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: an interesting approach
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: execute works, thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah, send to execute means pretend like it was typed into the command line
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Gotta make a correction, suggested yesterday steam was crashing my mushclient, but it really is bast's latest package, reinstall the xbroadcastspells fixes it, it seems.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I've also filed a bug report against mushclient 4.77
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: code execution has gotten severely wonky while dragging hotspots
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know if that's related in any way
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Yeah, and good you say that before I'm wrong again, I should say the combination of aardwolf mushclient 4.77 + following bast's readme and retrieving his package r1457 is what seems to cause a bug with xBroadcastspells
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I am going to wait for Nick to address that then see what I can figure out about the black miniwindows, it sounds like the background is being drawn after the text, but since I can't reproduce it, that is only a guess
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: about the broadcast, I also haven't seen that, did you put in an issue at my webpage and if so, what #?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: No not yet, been a bit lazy :)
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Rejoined yesterday from a bit of an absence.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think it occurs something like thus though, with above version numbers, and activitating miniwindows + spellup + needed others --> everything is okay except for checking for updates --> close mushclient crash --> reboot mushclient get spammed with xbroadcast --> reinstall everything fine again
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: which version of the Aardwolf mushclient are you using?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: 4.77
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: what happens when checking for updates?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Bast, reports of black windows have increased since 4.77 I think. I'm not even sure if it happened in 4.75
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I have a black window, but the spellups still run
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Deepy, right now?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Yes
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which window, spellup?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: If I kill the state file it fixes itself
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that's why I am going to wait to see what Nick says before I dig into it
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Yes, the spellup
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I'm on 4.75
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: and r1457 of your package is installed. let me relogin to see what the exact error is.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: interesting
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: does it happen often?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: For me it happens every day
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you know how to cause it?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Unfortunately not, I only know that it appears after a while
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or can you profile what you do before it happens?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: I'm idle a lot
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: idle where?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: At recall or nws
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and what other plugins do you have loaded?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Default
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Miniwin quest too
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: And update check is disabled since it always fails and lags the mushclient for a while
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: Which sometimes causes spellups to break
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: always fails?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: To access the internet you need to go through a web proxy
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: The error for update checking seems to be gone, I did indeed click reinstall xbastmush_update_checker, first time it said can't find function and then some error and script ended
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: My shift is over, send me a message and I can help you with other exotic errors at home
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Miss Deepy Tech: My spellups is acting strange there
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ok deepy
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I like this aproach to tesseract mazes : http://marctenbosch.com/miegakure/
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: there is no download btw, just a vid
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: does anyone log frequency of doubles? I'm assuming there has been a decent increase since daily blessing started.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: abelinc logs everything. I imagine he could tell you with some effort
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: actually, he set up a twitter feed
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it doesn't feel like we've really increased global double
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, I just corrected a typo in the trig for the daily prayer double, so it's being fed correctly now
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: twitter.com/aardstats
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: should be able to use the same trigger as the xmas cards, really...
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all forms of doubles plus ice ages are auto-tweeted
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you don't care to know the difference...
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trashbat! Anipopo Tech: that's sick :P
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: I just assumed because daily blessing seems to have encourage more levelling, not to mention some of the bonus are double themselves
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when daily came in, it was tweeting that people were using xmas cards :P
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah, well :P
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: most of the double from daily is personal double.  It only affects that one person.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is slightly different text, but they both start out the same with the courtesy of
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: how do you use an xmas card?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: i've had 2 in my bag for a while
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kyriantha Tech: wow didn't know about aardstats. am now following
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: read card to see how to use them
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: woohoo, a second real follower (mandorallen's been)
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar smiles at you. 
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: double frequency may certainly feel increased because now a lot of people are getting 3x instead of 2x for periods
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sweet twitter feature is even w/o following, you can text "follow aardstats" to a code from phone to get texts ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you have unlimited texts
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scandalar Tech: Yups.. But just to make sure I remember the twitter account I follow it for the time being.. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lulz Tech: Seems like I'd get a lot of texts promoting doubles if I did that...:p
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scandalar chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: good hook to get you to forground the game ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lulz Tech: I've already leveled almost 90 levels in four days, I think this game has enough hook on me as is :p
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: well it does a good job of not only encouraging people to log in every day, but to stay logged in until they've used their entire bonus.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lulz Tech: Very true.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nodnod, daily blessing has me logging in my alts again ;-)
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lulz Tech: The only thing is that now I'm debating making a couple alts myself, just to see if I can get one of them to get lucky with their daily blessing and get a global double :)
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: the game may be 5/10% "easier" if you will, but I bet if it was tracked, average login time would show increases as well as total # of players.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it is tracked
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trashbat! Anipopo Tech: hmmm, sounds like a loophole to be closed
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: downside of that is when alts are in, immtalk & tiertalk aren't getting logged by abe...immtalk still logged by eureka, but that won't be auto-grepped to post to http://homepage.mac.com/mikeride/abelinc/
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: why not Abe, I thought you multiplayed
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: err
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the only legal way to multiplay is to log into testport
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I wish recalling commands with the up arrow worked slightly different, for example you have typed runto and then pageup will get the first previous matching command
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: works that way in cmud ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can tab-complete in mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also you can enable arrow keys recall partial command
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's just not enabled by default
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Thanks, I'll look into that, thought it didn't exist.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Game->Configure->Commands
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: look under keyboard preferences
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: it works, much better
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: in Mushclient can you set a variable as an array? or are they just strings?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: client variables are strings, but you can serialize any table
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: and how would i go about doing that?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see the bottom of this page http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/bbshowpost.php?bbsubject_id=4960
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also make sure you understand the difference between script variables and client variables
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: ok so i'd have to make it in a script then?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't understand "make it"
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: i'm trying to make a command ie "putaway" that will with arguments put away setgear ie lvl1 lvl 21, etc
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what parameter will you give it?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: level?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: so I'll create a table ie EQ with subtables Eq.lvl1, eq.lvl21 etc
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: yea
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: also i'd have a command ie wearset that would take it out of my eq bag, and wear the set
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I see. Yeah, so you want to make an alias that sends to script and deserializes the stored client variable
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I recommend first constructing a lua table that contains all of your eq and then serializing it into a client variable using a dummy alias
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then your other aliases will deserialize the client variable into a lua table that you can easily access if you want.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the alternative option is to just use string searching
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Acidbburn Tech: I updated the bast plugins, how do I get the bast_hunt to go the direction of the mob automaticly again?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: sounds good, know of any plugins which I can look at if I get stuck?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}P-Whisped Habit Tech: "ha"
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I suppose it depends on which part gets you stuck
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a number of plugins serialize and deserialize tables
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Acidbburn Tech: nvm got it
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: I guess I'll hop back on here when/if I get stuck. 
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: we're about to iceage. hold that thought
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brunhilde Tech: is it possible with Mushclient to embed functions in the send command?  For instance if you wanted to send text to a channel, but have some wildcards in that text?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrilawen Tech: concatenate things to the strings
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrilawen Tech: eg. Send ("foo " .. myfunc () .. " bar")
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brunhilde Tech: thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrilawen Tech: however wildcards themselves are just %1 etc.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Brunhilde nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ok, so....other than disabling and reenabling a miniwindow, and reinstalling it (both tried), what options do I have to get the tabbar plugin to stop showing up as a black square?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: roboot!
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: its how microsoft solves things...
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: anyone available to help test my client a bit?
T3/r4/2011-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: any IOS app devs on?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm running out of items on the client issues list.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Is there a recommended method for removing the background image for the main window? In the previous version I just renamed the background image, but I just upgraded and doing this now causes an error. Doesn't appear to be any other side effects, just an error popping up periodically.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i edited the plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: thats what he said
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}JunkInThe Torunkes Tech: i think she said it too
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Yeah, you should be able to comment out this line: "WindowDrawImage (bgwin, "wolf_logo", xpos, ypos, 0, 0, miniwin.image_copy)  -- straight copy"
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: In aard_layout.xml
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, thanks, I'll give that a try
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Thanks, works perfectly
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I'm using bast's spellup plugin, I did a spellup all, removed the detects spells, but it didn't include like 10 spellups it should have in the list, any ideas?  I assume at some point it had an issue casting those spells and it removed them
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: anyone running into mush popping up "...has run into a problem and must be closed" error messages off and on when closing out the World and/or closing the client?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: win xp is the o/s.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: No.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no i've not received that one
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: good times.  I'm beginning to think this system is due for a rebuild.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i've gotten errors on win 7 but not on xp
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I am using 4.78.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: 4.77 here....which reminds me, need to figure out why the update plugin stopped notifying me....
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: and I'm still wrestling with getting certain miniwindows to decide that, yes, in fact, I would like them to display, please.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: tabbar has increased visibility, but I still wind up having to manually toggle double, noexp, and moonbot windows, to see them.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: i don't seem to autoloot and autoconsume anymore, even though the options are turned on
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Are you sure you're not just accidentally skipping over the lines?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: zanfire, you won't autoloot if (1) you can't see the items [invis], or (2) you can't get the items because of item/weight restrictions
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you won't autoconsume or autosac non-empty corpses
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: i consume nonempty corpses all the time
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: autoconsume i mean
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Well probably has to do with autoloot/keyloot settings
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: thanks for the info.  i figured out that I was almost over-weighteded
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, if autoloot is off, you've told the MUD you don't care if it's empty
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: ah i see
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: that would explain that
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if autoloot is on, you've told the MUD you want the stuff, so it'll save them
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: just gets annoying when i cant carry a key and the corpse gets consumed along with the key
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: turn keyloot on
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: keyloot is on
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehnsomnyak Tech: and autoconsume off
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}In Cide Tech: i like autoconsume
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: suggest that autoconsume treat keyloot the way it treats autoloot...that's a good idea to post
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: In Cide seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah I'm surprised it doesn't,  that's why I suggested turning keyloot
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: test
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: tube
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ok, ugh.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Hello world!
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: trying to ask a question, and it's getting gagged on me. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I'm guessing perhaps "random plugin" simply has good taste, but I'd still like to ask it. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: is there an approach in mush to doing command line substitution?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: (took out the example part)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: #include Skynet
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: like say I have 'bagblah' and I want it to become 'aard'.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: alias?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: well, the basic approach is to intercept what the user types once he/she presses enter
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: so, the alias doesn't have to start the pattern at the start of the line/command?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in CMud, this would be accomplished via a command-input trigger, allowing you to #NOINPUT the original text and sending your own version.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: try this-> #alias {*bagblah*} {%1aard%2}
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see what it does
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: may not work, though
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you'll likely want something more thorough than that
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess you'll actually want to just alias on * and then process in a script
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and send the result
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: yeah, I'll need a bit more, but that gets me started, thank you.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: (I want it to do more substitution based on a substring of the pattern)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: so, bag1, bag2, bag3, etc.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: but, I can regex to extract that.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: or at least, I think I can...
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zypop Tech: test?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zypop Tech: test?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: stop 
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: test somewhere else
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: echo channel is good for testing
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zypop Tech: gladly where can I do so?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: test on echo
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trashbat! Anipopo Tech: or gtell
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zypop Tech: thank you.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: didn't mean to start a "thing", there.  it was actually tech channel I couldn't post to.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: whoops, guess I had a partially implemented alias with the pattern I want in it that was doing the wrong thing.  guess "random plugin" was me. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: in mush, if I wanted to create an alias that will trigger off a pattern, extract a substring from the pattern, and then substitute in an alternate string (possibly by comparing the substring to a list), can that all be done within the alias using Lua, or do I need to have the alias call a script?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xiucozcatl Tech: well for a start i think you want a trigger, not an alias
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no, it sounds like he wants an alias
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: it's not inbound from the mud, it's outbound from the command line.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can do it all in the alias, just send to script
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FootLong Cheezburger Tech: Is there a way with grep to go to line+1 from the last match of <string>?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: "send to script"   so, I need to write a function in a script to be invoked by the alias?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: "send to script" just treats whatever is in the "send" box as a script, basically
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ah.  when I started putting lua code directly in there, it appeared to be sending each line to the mud.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Migash Tech: why is my client showing coords now (under each room name) and how do I turn it off?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Migash Tech: mush
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: answer to the second question: tags coords off
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: as to why, either you or one of your plugins turned them on
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Migash Tech: thank you :)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: i live in South Africa, can i create a UK/USA itunes account and buy UK/USA itunes gift vouchers, and use them without enetering credit card details?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: i have google this several times, but the answer i need is too specific
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: probably not but i bet with expatshield you could
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you setup an account iwth them and you can connect and it gives you a UK ip address
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you could also use it to user bbc's iPlayer service
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'm sure there is something similar for US if they don't also have US outlets
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I used a similar service to watc Hulu in Germany
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: vampfox google expat shield
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you pay them and connect to their computer in the UK and all the traffic then looks like it is coming form them
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vampfox Tech: will do. Thought all i had to do was register as UK, and use UK vouchers and it would work..
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: that may work, i dont know but i can almost gaurunutee expat shield will work
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i havent used their service, but its well known, you can pay them iwth any credit card, so buy a visa gift card in cash or something
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: anyone experiencing the black miniwindow problem regularly?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Fiendish: I have one right now.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Turie, can you do Ctrl+I and type in Debug ("summary")
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and send me the output?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also a screenshot if possible
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: btw Fiendish, I am currently able to copy and paste properly from MUSH to a mac program.  (*helpless shrug*)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is anyone currently experiencing the black miniwindow problem?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Lovely.  Trying to learn how to work APIs that require authentications...  I know how to send headers in lua for http... but apparently it doesn't return the body of the page.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: planning on making a callout to an authenticaed web site?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Wordnik, if anyone is familiar with it.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i was goign to solve that issue by making a callout to "curl"
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I would too, and there is a luacurl, but I'm not familiar with curl anyway.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: that part that temporarily stopping me is working out oauth
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if you solve oauth please let me know.. 
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: winklewinkle, check out TTYtter...it's a perl script twitter client that uses curl as its backend...
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: thanks abe, i saw you had a twiter feed working :)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: since twitter uses oath, that might have your answers
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: r,c = http.request{ url = "http://api.wordnik.com/v4/word.json/astro",headers = {api_key = "myapikey"}} -- returns 1 for r and 200 for c, but it won't return the body, which is what I really need.  I'm pretty sure I authenticated it, though, but I'm not too familiar with the return codes (203, in this case).
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Er, returned 403... Forbidden?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: does lua use 64 bit ints?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: wrote a quick function in lua (in cmud) that just does return zs.param(1)...obviously it should just return what i send in, but when i use #show @test(1314497093975) on the command line it displays 237101399
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yay for rollover, then
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: got someone to test it in mush though, and it works...so i'm figuring not a lua problem, but i don't see how it can be a cmud problem cause it works in zscript
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so what am i missing? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: does Mush use the same lua implementation that CMud does?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: is there more than one? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Aard mush - misc change: update the lua dll to LuaJIT 2.0.0-beta8 http://luajit.org/changes.html
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: does that give 64 bit ints? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see luajit.org
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, i downloaded it, but looks like i need to compile it myself
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no you don't
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hold on
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, winklewinkle said update the lua dll...and i didn't see a dll in the zip...
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'm searching through a mailing list archive. gimme a sec
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: kk, no hurry
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://sourceforge.net/p/safelua/wiki/LuaJIT%20binaries/
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just recently created
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: whee, thanks! :)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: do i need to run the exe, or can i just overwrite the lua dll in my cmud folder?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just replace the dll
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: k, thanks again :)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though CMUD may just not provide 64 bit int support for lua
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it still doesn't work :(
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: That's likely, I think, becuase of the Delphi version that cmud is compiled with
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: then it's a bug in cmud
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, i don't see why they wouldn't, cmud itself supports 64 bit ints...
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: oh, nevermind then :)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: not in all cases
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Lua has only one datatype size, and that's 64 bits
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: anyone know what the max value of a 32 bit int is offhand?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: unless you specifically compile otherwise
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: eval 2^32
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: er 2^32 -1
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: argh
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Or 4294967295
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: expanded? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: thanks etzli :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: for unsigned
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: half that rounded down for signed
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, apparently that's not the cutoff, cause it adds one fine to that...
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: 2.147 billion, give or take.  signed.  I think.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Martini & Tyebald.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: A possibly non-tech question: any reason everything in the mud has an ansi variable _except_ room description? :)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, 2147483647 is the cutoff.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and it adds one to my 1314497093975 value too :( maybe it's a bug in zs.param?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "ansi variable"
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So it's 32 bit, signed. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: 2^31 is the high limit for a 32-bit signed integer
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Err, 2^31 - 1
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, it is a bug in zs.param
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Fiendish - sorry, bad terminology. Nothing in colorset status for room description
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Seems to be a bug, then.  The function Myrkul used with 2^31 returns -2147483648.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know. ask lasher
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's works fine hardcoded though, etzli
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm sure he'd add one for you
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It returns the proper value of 2147483647 though.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: he seems to like color things
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Fair enough. Just seemed odd to have such a huge list, except that :)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Heh."
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hardcoded?  You mean through zscript?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Well, 2^31 would 'overflow' and return the low limit, which is -(2^31)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, i mean write the value in the code of the function
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean 2^32
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh 2^31
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Oh, hah.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it works fine if you put the literal value in the code, it doesn't if you send it in as a parameter
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: anyway, it works in mushclient so I'm disinterested
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It might be zs.param, then.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Amusingly, zs.params() works with 64 bit. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But zs.param does not.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Also, this much client chat regardless of client being discussed makes me all weak-kneed. I think I seriously need to start playing here. 
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods at Daagar.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: this *is* playing.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Exactly
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: wow, thanks etz :)
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that makes my life a lot easier, don't need to code a workaround :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Keep in mind that params(1) is the same as %-1. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: we save the spittle-spraying screeching and flailing dagger stabs for wars and PVP.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i know :P
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone familiar with Bast's plugins? I updated to the newest revision and got this bug, http://pastebin.com/NdpjYFcE any idea how to fix it?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Did you try just reinstalling?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: the plugin, I mean
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yes, it's accessing a nil value, the problem is with the code
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Looks like something's not getting initialized
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: post it to bast, then restart mushclient
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kurojiryuu nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: silly question.. it appears that gmcp room info only gives x,y coords. What happens in rooms u/d from each other? Same coords, just differing ids?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's the coordinate of the area on the continent
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: xy coordinates only relate to the continents
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the continents are two-dimensional
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: erm coordinates are only for continents
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: See, knew it was a silly question. Thank you.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: not a silly question at all imho
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: gmcp is seriously great stuff. the room data makes more sense now. What an awesome thing to have in a mud.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: can i change the base time lua's os.time counts from?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: how is it you remove the mob talk from the captured text on MUSH?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right-click
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: depends on which version you're using, actually
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: I used to be able to see the toggle, I dont see it anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what does checkversion say?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ah, then you're using a newer version. do customize channels
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: r1326
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it'll be the mobsay channel
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: is there a tag for the say channel?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I believe so, yes
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: says?
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: ah
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zypop Tech: Anyone know tintin enough to help out some?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: what's a good android client that can work with multiple email accounts?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: don't all smartphones have the capability to sync with multiple email accounts?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: personally i just sync gmail and have gmail sync my other emails :p
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I was looking for an interface like the iphone has... where I can chose between multiple accounts 
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: the standard mail app in android allows that already
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I liked K-9 Mail
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I am reading about K9 at the moment
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: why do you not want to use the one that comes with the OS?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: cos it's crap?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: well, I haven't found a way yet to make it easily display multiple mailboxes
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I'm new to android :P
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: for mine, HTC Desire HD, I have a dropdown arrow button on the top, and I can select All Mail
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: that displays for me all the mail from different accounts that I have synced
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: on the same screen, or do you pick an account and get the mail displayed for that account?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: Pleiades, you might want to try Maildroid too.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: on the same screen
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: I think Pleiades wants mail displayed for just a specific account chosen.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: yeah, you can pick the account as well
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: yup, Sneak
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: My options are All Mail, School Mail, Gmail
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: so I can pick whichever one I want
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: oh I have an option to add a new account as well
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: that was not gained through daily blessing, he was just selling it to commemorate the new stuff added probably
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Artilus Tech: hello
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Artilus Tech: i have a problem on my phone..i accidently closed my blue box in the corner with my direcions
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Artilus Tech: helllo
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Artilus Tech: anyone here ??
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: nope. No one.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Artilus Tech: i needs tech support plz
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Artilus Tech: i accidently deleted my blue thing for directions in the top right corner on my phone
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wink Tech: make another button, label it Actions, and make its command ".loadset default" without quotes
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Artilus Tech: i did its just coming up with channel is off
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: cmud's autologin isn't working why would that be
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: there's autolog class with 2 trigs
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: what message should i catch to make a trigger for double exp and gquests?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: anyone savvy with android there ?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: What about Android?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: I don't claim I'm savvy, but I've used it for some time.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: my pics won't load sometimes
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the stock ones load, but my pics show as exclamation marks
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and on the explorer they show as -1 bytes
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but when I click on sd card tab in the explorer, they are there and load
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Eep. Which version/hardware are you using?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: 3.5 gallery I think, 2.3.3 android
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Hm, not too sure about that. Have you tried searching forums with the name of your device?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Your SD card is working fine, I guess, seems to be just a gallery issue.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Explorer would be also on the android device?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well when I install other pic viewer
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: all load
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Sorry, connection is shaky.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: So the problem is only with the official Android gallery not finding stuff on your SD card?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: TrEz: is this relevant? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK8NO-97iOE
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: TrEz: sorry I can
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trurien Tech: Sorry I can't help more coherently... this connection instability is quite bothersome.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: - h5
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: hrm
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: quick question, how can I import the position of the windows of my old configuration? (im updating both mush and bast)
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Hmm, import has duplicated the new special aliases category
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juilin Tech: anyone know how to turn off triggers on mush?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Game->Configure->Trigger, uncheck Enable Triggers
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: I'm not sure if it'll stop triggers from plugins, though
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what do you actually want to accomplish?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juilin Tech: lol writing a note...
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I've actually taken to writing a note in notepad, copying, then pasting. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That includes the .p at the end.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i've got a note wrapper plugin that you can just bulk paste all teh text into and it'll just format it into rows of 80 chars
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at WinkleWinkle.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I frequently don't want lines of 80 characters
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: much better to use the long line trick to get the exact output you actually put in
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juilin Tech: thats a book?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli grins evilly at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what's teh long line technique?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: we call those rails :)
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: .lr 1 'extremely long line here that bypasses the 79 character limit'
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Main/HowToWriteLongLinesInNotes
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you mean i wrote my plugin for nothing?  bah
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: good practice at least? :)
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shameful Dugrant Tech: Not for nothing.  Nearly nothing.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: don't blame me. that wiki page has been there for years now
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it was as good exercise
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akhenaton Tech: anyone mudding with ipad
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Doc  Holliday claps at WinkleWinkle's performance.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i am certainly not blaming you :D
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: way to reinvent the wheel
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: me :p i told you iSSH :p
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: it's Lasher i blame :P
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akhenaton Tech: is it mud c,ient ?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sneak Tech: no :p just telnet
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: when i mud with an ipad, i um using th ipad to Remote Deskyop to a machine running mush
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: My friend's computer started acting weird, the sound is much too silent even when everything is turned up to full volume, also tried earbuds to see if it was a problem with speakers they were too silent too, we've tried almost everything, any ideas? (Windows 7)
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: This just started today about 6 hours ago
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: check out the mixer
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Did that already everything is turned up to max
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: sound card or onboard?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: The mixer can set the volumes for different programs, despite the main volume being 100%.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Onboard
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Yeah tried turning up the volume on all programs / speakers and the system volume
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: sound settings on control panel?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: What about them ?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: have you checked them?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Any idea what the onboard audio is?  SB-based?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Yeah, nothing is out of the ordinary, and this just started randomly.. didn't mess with the settings or anything
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Hmm realtek something if that makes sense ?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hit all "default" buttons you can find in sound settings
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I had that once, also with realtek, but it went away after a reboot.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Have you consulted Google yet?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Yes we tried the usual things from google
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Kill the sound drivers in device manager
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Reboot, let them reinstall
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Ok trying that
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: windows update might install outdated drivers sometimes
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: This is true, but that isnt a big deal right now
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Get it working first, even if its with default drivers.  Then worry about updating.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what i mean is that could be the source of the problem
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: Correct.  If its still FUBAR after driver reinstall, next step would be new drivers.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flach Tech: This not only gets it working, but stepping through in this order also shows you exactly what the problem is.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daddy Spoke Tech: Fiendish, is the wait(n) function, in the mapper plugin, intended to account for how long does it take to make certain SW so the mapper finds the 'fastest' route?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The wait function I thought was for cexits and for delays due to mob programs.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Tried uninstalling driver, reinstalling it.. nothing seems to work, now found out that the speakers are USB if that changes anything
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: usb speakers?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what if you use headphones?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Don't have them, tried earbuds but those were silent too
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Silent meaning low volume not totally silent
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: still sounds like there's a slider set on low somewhere :\
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no chipmakers utility installed?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: realtek hd audio manager or something, maybe?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: No
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: anyone have any idea on how to use the new "lock" functionality on mapper?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I do
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sucker
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I mean...
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: I would hope so Fiendish :)
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right-click on a room and choose the menu option. then pick an exit from that room that you want to assign a level lock to
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the level lock will account for your tiers just like portals
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: nothing in the help file (at least as far as I could see)
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so if you want an outright block, set it to something like 300
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: yeah I want to block a room in Nalondir so that is what I will do
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: block exits leading into the room
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: thanks Fiendish
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: locked exits will show in red on the map
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Midgard Tech: worked like a charm.  Thanks again
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Does the lock just prevent you from exiting via that direction, or does it also stop you entering that room in the reverse direction?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it is a one-way lock
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'll consider also adding a lock on entire rooms, but the database structure already supported exit locks
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ah, in that case is there a way of locking from the bigmap? The room I want to block is the first room of an area.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can temporarily hide the bigmap
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: -
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: either by "bigmap off/on" or by right-clicking
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Nice, that'll do it. Should I lock from all 4 directions around the entrance to the area just to be safe, or is it sufficient just to lock the one?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: probably safest to lock from all surrounding rooms if you wanto to lock going into an area
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lytebane Tech: Ok, thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: fiendish, is the mapper your baby?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Contact
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: if you use mapper goto "nonexistant room number" then it locks up, and never works again until you restart
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: only because you haven't updated in god knows how long
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: ok. possibly.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that was fixed ages ago
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: it doesn't like updating for some reason.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: follow the instructions
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Upgrading
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: any problems encountered during upgrading can be reported 
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Isn't there a simple way to capture a line into the chat window on Aard's MUSHclient? In zMUD all I'd have to do is capture and gag, but this plugin is insane.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Oh hey, you're the one who wrote it, right?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what do you want to capture that isn't already?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: I've been able to add a trigger to the plugin to process the repop line, but I can't even begin to understand how to add it to the buffer.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: It all seems so needlessly complicated, this miniwindow stuff. It's a MUD client, not an OS...
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish smirks.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: I admit the flexibility, but it makes the learning curve into a sheer cliff face covered in spikes. >_<
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: A quick method (which I used) is to echo "INFO: " and then your message and the comm log will capture it
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Well, I'd probably lose the color codes, and the INFO would be jarring.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: scripting for mushclient is indeed very complicated sometimes
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: I can't figure out where in this plugin it's processing and capturing non-GMCP lines.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that is the price I am willing to pay for a client that is open source, with an author who isn't a dick
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: for non-gmcp lines look at the aliases section
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: er
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Zugg is alright in my experience. The problem with {z,C}MUD is its bugginess.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: triggers section
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: untagged_info?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: assuming the info has no tags
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is there a repop tag?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: It has {repop}.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Otherwise there's no way to identify it as a repop line.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: gmcp sends repops
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Only the area name, not the actual repop line.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why do you need the line?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Because it's nice?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm also not sure why you're trying to capture repop messages to the comm log
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: So I can see when it happens more easily.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: For the same reason people trigger messages into grouptalk even when solo.. just an existing window to see messages
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well if you can't use the INFO suggestion, I can add functionality to be able to send messages to the window 
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but it won't happen this second
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: All I need is to be able to modify untagged_info to remove the {repop} at the beginning.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: I could just copy/paste the code into a tagged_info function with that in it.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or modify the other capture function
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Other capture function?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh right, I moved that into its own plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: never mind
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Is it this styles variable that has the message? Can I strip the tag out from it somehow?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm going to warn that making modifications to the plugins will just make upgrading difficult
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: What if I take the tag stripper from chats and add it to the untagged_info function as a new function.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: better to suggest ideas for the next update
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Well if I understand how I changed it, it'll take all of 5 minutes to add back after upgrading. I do have limited programming experience.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: No joke. You will have to cut and paste any updates that might occur. Some updates might interfer with other features.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Take it from experience and beta testing.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Well that doesn't help if 1) I want it now instead of at the next update and 2) if the plugin author doesn't like the idea.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: best just to raid the script for ideas and then DIY.  Whenever I use anyone else's stuff, I invariably have to change the display characteristics anyways so that it fits on my screen.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: That doesn't work if the only changes I want are small ones, because then it -would- be impossible to upgrade.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: I find the Aard client to be 97% satisfactory, and I'm just putting that 3% in for me.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: would it help if I made a plugin that is a capture window just for random stuff you want, distinct from the communication log?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: That would probably be nice for someone if you feel like it, but I like the chat window as it is. All I want is additional captures into it.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well, I'll see what I can do
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Xaxz is helping. :-)
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's better for everyone if you don't have difficulty upgrading to new versions later
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: anyone working on a daily blessing mini window?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: You already have gq and info and rauction in there...if you could do that in a more structured way so it's easy to add more, that would solve the problem. Maybe some sort of array.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Like a static array that has a field for trigger pattern, text to put in the right-click menu to show or not, and a bool for strip tag or not.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Is there a function that can simply output the styles variable from a trigger function to the main output window?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: styles would be a table
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you'd need to use a table printer like tprint
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: The issue is it doesn't work even if you set the script to untagged_info because you have it hardcoded in there which lines are captured.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no I don't
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: make sure you didn't accidentally set your trigger as disabled
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Oh, ffs, copy/paste failure. Hang on.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Got it.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Okay, so I copied untagged_info as tagged_info, and added the tag-strip code from chats, and it captures.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: If you want to add that to your plugin, it's an easy change, and if you don't, it's easy to make again when I upgrade to your next version.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just don't forget you made the change
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Well, I'm hoping you'll add it to the plugin so I can forget it. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: only if you file an enhancement request on the google code page
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Hmm, your plugin file doesn't have a link to google code in it.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in my finger
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: I just file new issue and you set it to Enhancement? I don't see an issue-type dropbox.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: enhancement is the default, I think
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's under Labels
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Type-Enhancement
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: Hmm. I don't have a labels drop-down. Just summary and descript9ion.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well don't worry about it
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if it comes through wrong I'll fix it
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: You were correct: Enhancement is the default.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: got it. thanks
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thwgatrostei Tech: If you want me to try and create a patch file to do everything, I can, but it'll probably take me a rather long time since my experience is in C and not this MUSH stuff. :P
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Why do some rooms (aka Vanaheim in Aylor)   not send a valid gmcp room.info update?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define valid
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: is it nomap?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: It remains the gmcp info of the room I was previously in
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Even if nomap, I'd expect it to display the room name, and all other values should be -1, shouldn't they?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: working fine for me in CMud
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm getting room.info { "num": 878, "name": "@GVanaheim@w", "zone": "vanir", "terrain": "inside", "details": "safe", "exits": { "n": 880, "e": 879, "w": 32539 }, "coord": { "id": 0, "x": 30, "y": 20, "cont": 0 } }
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Even more strange, the mud _says_ it updated gmcp.room, though nothing changes.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how are you determining that it isn't working?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: whats not working, the map window not updateing?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: I'm using mudlet, so it is able to display the GMCP info when it receives an event from the mud
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe mudlet has a bug
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: that happened when I tured the tags off
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: I don't discount that possibility Fiendish :) But for most of the town, it works just fine.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: most of hte town doesn't have color codes on the room name
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: do you have rawcolors mode turned on?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: I... don't believe so
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, does it do the same thing in any room with color codes in the name? that could be it...
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: I'm not sure that any of the GMCP messages would be affected by color codes, wouldnt they?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: GMCP has its own rawcolors/ansi settings
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, if mudlet isn't parsing it right...
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Ah, okay. What's the trick to toggle that setting? Will certainly try
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: ah, protocols gmcp rawcolors
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: You guys are awesome. Turning on rawcolor mode fixed it right up.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mudlet doesn't automatically do that for you?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: It is an option within the mud... protocols gmcp rawcolors
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: by default it was off
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and if mudlet needs that option, it should turn it on for you
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limunious Tech: is the aard app on iphone yet?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mudlet wouldn't know if it needs that option
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: more properly it should handle both modes and let the user define the preference setting
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are many iphone apps available to connect to aard
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Hmm. I can report it as a bug if that's the case.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: personally I like iSSH
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: more likely mudlet had that built before the rawcolors functionality was put in for GMCP support.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this would be a MAG thing, NOT a mudlet thing
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: MUSHclient is not one unless there is a way to run windows on it.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Not using MAG, by the way
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why would you use mudlet but then not use MAG?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Just writing up my own mapping script in mudlet out of some sick sense of fun
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mudlet is not for aard, so aard features which don't exist anywhere else wouldn't be anything for mudlet to write in
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MAG pre-does some aard stuff...if you want to work on scripting stuff for mudlet, it'd be more helpful if you could contribute to MAG
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: I'll need to take a closer look at it Abelinc. 
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: It isn't hosted via github by any chance, is it? 
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: github is overrated
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Heh, it beats trying to combine code from random stuff posted into forums.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: unless it is just the git part that is overrated. svn/bzr/mercurial... whatever works
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fh 17
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: In lua, is there a json function that will test if something is even in json format before it tries to decode it?  If I do json.decode(non-jsonformat), it pops up an error and does nothing.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: err
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: duno. dig through the json files I guess
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Wasn't sure if anyone knew offhand.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saatai Tech: It's a compiler option.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Would like to have something like if json.format(something) then var = json.decode(something) else var = "Not in json format." end
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'll look through the json.lua file.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: is there a way to search command history in mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: who's password are you wanting?
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: laf
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: that's not in the command history :P
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: trying to remember an area I was at earlier
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: right click in the command box, do history and there is a find function
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: press the up arrow repeatedly
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: thank you
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish laughs out loud at Santher.
T3/r4/2011-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnistar Tech: too many ups lol
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is it just me or do bast's plugins not remember their assigned z-order across sessions?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Hi my friend still has that low volume problem (all sound is way too low even though evrything is turned to max volume) we tried uninstalling sound drivers, reinstalling, rebooted a bunch of times, tried different speakers and everything else on google we could find.. it just randomly started yesterday while watching a movie, any ideas ?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: get mad
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: No I don't want
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: can't think of anything else
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: oh, how about seeing if the sound works with slax or some other live distro
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: Also tried system restore but it didn't help, I'll see about that slax thing
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: morning all
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: did some clean up to abstract out mud output buffer elements and now chat window also displays ansi appropriately
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it's actually starting to feel kinda nice to use :) (testing wrapping...............................................................................)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: spam spam spam spam...lovely spam....wonderful spam...
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: more testing...
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ladlaldaa
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: mroe testing
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: try gt
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: gt?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: or echo :)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you're testing channels, use gt
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ahhh
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yeah gt works
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: any chance i could persuade you to create a dummy char on http://caskeytranscription-com-4000.scryer.caskeytranscription.com/ and see if it makes it thorugh character creation OK?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: wtb Mush Script :)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: lo.. to do what?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: um, for a grand old price of free?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: how many tp would it cost for a nice eqchange script
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i can sell you one to wrap long notes :P
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "nice" and "eqchange"
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: i wrote my own.. but its not elegant
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: where it would have an array of eq, and i could do eqchange <level> and auto get from bag and wear it
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: i'll write it for you for 30tp
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: i just use my brain's coordination to format notes.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: me.. i'll do it for 29 TP
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle grins evilly at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I figure 30tp is less than I'd get paid for 1 hour of work if I were employed to do these things
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: done Fiendish
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: but there are a few things i should mention
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: here we go
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: price goes up for everything you mention
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just kidding. what are the things
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Firstly, it must work like facebook
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: eq under 100 are in 1 bag, 100>x<200 another bag, and <200 last bag
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Siren Cera pokes Ol' Dirty Fiendish in the ribs.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: dont be mean  :)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you want to customize bags, then, fine
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Heh.  I wrote one for CMUD. :D
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Irys Tech: I started writing something similar this weekend
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Mine searches based on level, gets from bags based on level, and sorts bags based on level. :D
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean like madcatz's
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: I just use madcatz's eqsorter
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: but I know fiendish scripts work flawlessly
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: mine is just an alias with all the commands, rem each piece, put each in the right bag, get the new gear, wear all.  not easy to change, but it works right now
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish snorts.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Pretty much.  I'm adding the 'eqswitch' back into it though (had it a couple years back)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: flawlessly after I fix the bugs
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: well yea
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: YOUR scripts dont have random bugs no one can fix like blackness.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Should I take offense at that?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not convinced yet that that's necessarily a plugin bug
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so fiendish is anti black?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn runs away in utter terror!
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the best joke I can come up with is that once your plugins go black they never go back
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: no Bast, I love yoru scipts, and I haven't actually experienced that bug, I just hear about it alot.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I, like Fiendish, am not convinced it is a script bug
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Client-wise, I just follow Fiendish's releases like a lost puppy
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: bast since you're here, here is a question.. I havent upgraded your scipts yet.. if(when) I do, the DB won't reset?  (like my amt of qp earned, and exp, and whatdo?)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I've seen it happen on my lappy on your spellup script (Bast) yet it will still resize the miniwin as needed, so I'd say a MUSHclient display bug - or something with Fiendish's repainter?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the repainter does nothing other than call repaint
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no, it will not reset
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: also I'm pretty sure bast doesn't even use my repaint buffer in most places
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: he uses redraw
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh, I thought the repainter was a forced thing...oh well, just a stab in the dark
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nah, see the bottom part of http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/RepaintBuffer
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm wondering if there is a way to add conditionals into a mapper speedwalk.. now we've added wait, it's be nice to detect if a certain move worked.. eg.. next room is a certain room id
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm thinking of Firebird shortcuts... mapper dies a horrible death if the gypsy is dead
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm sure it's possible
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but it hasn't been suggested
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: when i had the time, i was going to write some sort of wrapper function that would do things like wait and conditionals, but i wouldnt' want to reinvent the wheel if there were plans on the drawing board
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i'm not sure how it'd work though..  let me think about it
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the mechanism is not a general purpose execution
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: no.. but as it is.. i can't use the 4 firebird shortcuts incase someone in a gq kills gypsy on the way thru and then mapper would keep wanting to take me back to them to get anywhere...   I'mnot complaining.. just an issue that i wonder has an easy solution
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not familiar with this problem
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: well once you do the goal.. you can say shortcuts to a mob (who is killable)  and they will portal you to other parts of the area... dead mob equals speedwalk won't work
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so don't do that
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: and then clicking ont he map or "mapper goto" will keep trying to run you back to the mob to portal to a place..  
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: well my solution for now is to not use them.. but then one of the shortcuts takes about 30 rooms and an aggro out of the equation
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: so it'd be nice to be able to use it
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: can a ssh client use scrip?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Hmm. Is the y coordinate in the gmcp.room.info.coord table... inverted?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: yeah, it counts from top left, uses quadrant 4 on a standard x-y plane
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: well that's... interesting :) Thanks for confirming
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: the entire game does that
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: I'd say that pretty well mirrors how pixels are normally addressed on a GUI interface
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: exactly, Vultaire
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Oh, that helps make it make some sense
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: I wasn't mapping non-continent areas with such a grid, so it caused some oddities when I noticed it
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: the planet of Andolor is a spheroid, in the sense that you can walk in any direction and wind up back where you started (if area entrances weren't blocking your way).  The only oddity is where the Inner Sea appears.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the planet is not spheroidal
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because going NORTH doesn't change meaning at the poles
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: is it sphericolactidal?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: It's a donut.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PenguinGod Galoth Tech: i think its a donut
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: north doesn't change meaning at the poles because there are no poles :P
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Laughing Lacrimosa Tech: it's a torus
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: (Torus, if any topologists are going to jump at me. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Heh, I just need my transitions from continent areas to non-continent areas to line up is all :)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there absolutely is a north pole
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: where is it then? :P
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in gelidus
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: runto north pole
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: hehe
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I also disagree with the idea put forth by some people that it's toroidal, because that requires redefining "north" and "south" to completely different meanings
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's either a flat plane with magical edges, or it's a dimensional embedding
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: we don't know where the poles are, since we don't rotate.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: the north pole of a toroid is not on its surface
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in the same fashion as current theories of the universe
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can't go around a toroid by always heading north
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: type quest info
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'd say we're a flat plane
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: because the sun and moon are up regardless of where you are :p
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: we're not.  HELP ANDOLOR proves this out quite clearly.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: help andolor is written by people who think they're smart but aren't
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: sure you could, if you continued the direction you were going when the north component of your movement approached zero
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: I envy discworld, their geography was easy to define.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish grins evilly at Ironfist Razor.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: elephants?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Yeah, only the sex of the turtle was really in question
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: turtles
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea, then after a while your north component would turn south, ynys.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: all the way down
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: at that point you have to leave the surface
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: which doesn't change the fact that you can't go around a torus by only heading north
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: but explains how to get to the north pole of a toroid
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: depends on which part you're traversing
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i wasn't talking about reaching the north pole :p
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: anyway, it's very clear that andolor is actually a large plane populated on only one side
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: heh
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: v4
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no, it's not
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the dark side of andolor
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and that help andolor was wrong because people were trying to be clever
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ironfist Razor Tech: is andolar actually a possible shape?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and that ONE day we'll have an entire new set of continents!
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: it is in your head, what shape is that, square?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when we dig through to china
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's a possible shape if you just let it be flat
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or some higher dimensional embedding
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: flat plane with magical edges is the only thing that makes sense to me, but i'm not a topologisthingy
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it can't wrap if it's flat though :P
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, that's possible
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Myrkul: I cast magic missiles. the world can have teleporting edges
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: set and match
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's as good an explanation as any, i suppose :P
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it really depends on what was meant by not rotating.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: "undizzy"
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: of course another alternative is that "north" and "south" don't mean what they pretend to
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: I mean, Earth's moon rotates but there's always the same side facing the Sun (ie, it's tidally locked)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: It's what's called a "flat torus", as far as I can tell.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: (not a figure representable in 3-D space)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Though it has a 3-D projection
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I wonder where that puts the sun
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: --->
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: we don't rotate, so I assume we're just tidally-locked to the sun.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not really, you get stronger
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mis
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that is, no matter how Andolor orients it's essentially always noon when mapped to earthly standards.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: there is time though
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you'd need to rotate a bit to keep the same side facing the sun as you orbit
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: yes, there is.  Also explained in help andolor.  Our time is based strictly on a series of ecliptic events.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it makes more sense if you just ignore that imo :p
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: orbiting a sun and not rotating will lead to night and day changes
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: no, it doesn't make more sense.  You're trying to apply the totality of real-world physics to a gameworld where the author threw in a bunch of "because I said so"'s.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the problem with the flat torus idea is that it still doesn't fix the north/south problem
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though it does at least allow for simultaneous global illumination
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: what about surface area?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Would it be possible to bend a perfect square into a toroid shape?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: navigation by the stars.  Regardless of our understanding of the magnetic properties of our beloved home, we've probably noticed that something is stable enough to get an orientation on.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: are you guys accounting for the seasons?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there are no earth-type seasons on Andolor.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: even navigating by the stars will never land you back in the same position by going north
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: there are aard seasons
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Why doesn't a flat torus fix the n/s problem?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: (and what's the n/s problem?)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: Aardseasons are more comparable to earth months
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that on a globe/whatever, it's not possible to keep heading north and arrive back at the same location
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: on anything, unless you redefine "north" and "south" to mean "thatway" and "thatway"
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Just define "north" as "counterclockwise"
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: aardseasons don't dictate weather
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: or whatever
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: we need a help north file that defines that
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn runs away in utter terror!
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Strata is a fun book about something strongly relating to this.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: just convert the map to a cylinder and not wrap the poles?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: except not actually clock or counterclock, since the flat torus would be perceptually flat
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: It's no more "flat" than a clyinder is
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's flat from the perspective of the sun
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what if you have a torus shape
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: But it'd be interesting to try and make it work somehow , an aardwolf planet where everything is made so that it simulates this :p
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that is constantly rotating inside out
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that would place the magnetic poles inside the torus and circular
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so you could head north in a circle
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: all it would mean is you stole the map from niven's ringworld  :P
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it has to at least be flat from the perspective of the sun (or have some wicked cool lensing effects) in order for global sunlight to work
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: you are assuming we have magnetic poles in the first place.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: I suppose if you have an electrical current running through the world, you could have a magnetic "north" that went all the way around the world
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: niven's ringworld, any good?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: only problem with that is it can't be flat viz the sun
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's a thought
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: Niven's is fun.. 
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: mine was Strata by Terry Pratchett
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: not a hardcore sci-fi book.. more of a "what if" book
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: only problem with niven's ringworld was coming up with a material with the tensile str to hold it together.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: strata is tongue-in-cheek humour with alot of thought put it into how it might work, but definately not hardcore sci-fi
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BILvvm04cyA
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: something like that, but more of a donut
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Nice
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you could have a magnetic north that goes in a circle i think, but my physics is kinda rusty
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you apply the same thing to a flat torus i suppose it's possible to solve the whole sun thing?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Oh reading a bit, sounds fun but your book is definately more serieus about the science.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: it would be weird to be able to look up in a telescope at some points and see the roofs of houses on the far end of the world :p
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Maybe bungee jumping could be become a popular means of transport :p
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: depends on the size of the orbiting body.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: True, still quite a distance, longer than a space elevator.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and without centrifugal force to keep you going, you'd probably end up stuck in the empty middle
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: or in a weird orbit if rotated on its axis
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: and if the darn thing is spinning, it's probably a bad idea to jump in front of any supporting spokes keeping it together.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: Tales of Known Space Ringworld was a ring around a sun -- the amount of physical matter required to do that is likely enormous - the gravity of the matter keeps the matter together, the spin of the ring provides an artificial gravity and counters some of the crushing tectonic gravity of the matter -- but how was night achieved
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: tinting the windows, I would imagine.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Well a sun in the middle would indeed make shooting yourself across a bad idea :p
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zypop Tech: if the star orbited around the toroid
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zypop Tech: inside to outside
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: That's how I imagined it a weird toroid planet with multiple suns perhaps.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: but on the outside
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: my business is done here
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: was Ringworld a manmade thing?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: an orbiting sun relative to the ringworld is going to warp the stability of the ring
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Can't the world just orbit the sun like we do our sun?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it does
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zypop Tech: an object with enough mass to encircle a sun would claps it self anyway... :)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: That's a good point
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: unless it was built out of The Core's version of unobtainium
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Maybe that's why he ended up with the circle around the sun as the option with the 'least' problems
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: the Andromeda scifi tvseries in the last season was ludicrous with the artificial suns 
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: ie, the stuff that the Geonaut's ship was built out of so that it wouldn't collapse under the immense pressures of the Earth's interior.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: What about a 'flat' world, think normal planet but with half flat and the core inside that half
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Then you could argue that the world truely is flat :p
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: this discussion's been going on for over 30 minutes now I think :P
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: except that if it were half-flat it'd be pretty dang obvious
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'veren Vultaire Tech: not complaining; just: impressive :P
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: not quite, we're coming up on 27 minutes and 14 seconds.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: the Journey to the centre of the Earth movies are ludicrous - the air pressure increases rapidly within a few miles
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Hard to find 'real' sci-fi movies, luckily there's books :)
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Heck even normal movies these days everyone has superpowers, even when they're supposed to be regular people.
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's the charm of "adventurers"
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: anybody who knows c know what's going on with this programs?  http://pastebin.com/5BrbSH3e
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i don't understand why it's printing the buffer out instead of exiting right away, something with the standard library?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: soon as i punch in ^d it should replace the input with 1 blank for many then exit program, with prompt drawn on same line, not keep the program alive and wait for more input
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i have to hit ctrl d twice if i don't enter it as the first character on it's line
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: This might be (or might not be) your problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_file_input/output#EOF_pitfall
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: I think it is
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: Madcatz do you have a list of scripts out on the interwebz?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: That I've made?
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: yup Ive heard there might be an eq script out there
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: finger me
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: that's the eq sort one
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Other than that, I haven't really published anything useful, except for a three moons one that someone else did way better, anyways
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: oh i tried that earlier and i couldnt finger ya
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: yeah, i use type int for that, as they say they use all the 256 values so you can have a null or -1 char value in the character range, getchar returns int, which returns -1 integer type to assign to the variable
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: apparently you werent in the mood
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: which is more than a single byte
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: that could have been the problem, but here, all 32 bits are set to 1 for -1 in the EOF test, which is a 32 bit value in stdio.h
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: But thanks, gonna look at the container one
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: when i type in something like d    d^D, i expect it'd read it a char a time, then replace the spaces with 1 space, and the result will exit the program cause the last char was the EOF indicator, 0 returns sys read and -1 is stdio.h EOF deliminator, so i'd have d d<followed by pshell prompt), instead what happens is it'll print d d and wait for more input
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Nods, I think you're right.  I didn't actually finish reading that
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: which made me think it's a logic error by me, or else a buffering weirdo by the library
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: it works just fine if i hit ctrl d as the first character on the line
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: the one with the more condition tests is to catch if i hit a ^d after spaces in the while loop, to preven printing out a unprintable character
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: but i'm pretty boggled by it :p, i probably had this problem last time i went through the book too
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: gossip and tech are converging .. heh
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i think i understand it.. it's that when i hit ctrl d a sys read happens with all characters up to eof indicator fed to the input of the program
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and then it's waiting for more input, maybe a second getchar would then leave the loop if there is none, lol
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: then it outputs on the same line, and reads from stdin which is waiting for more characters, once sys read returns 0 then it's done
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: so hello     world^d, some how causes the kernel to read in all characters to the EOF character, maybe stdio reads more than 1 a time and that means sys read returns more than 0 characters, which is typically how a program knows it's reached end of input, then it processes and stuff and c doesn't get set to eof on the first ctrl^d cause sys_read returns the number of characters written, which is more than 0
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: and then if i hit ctrl d right away again, it causes another read, which does return 0 and exits
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: see, that kind of stuff can confuse me, lol
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Imp Druzil Tech: i reasonably worked it out talking about it though, just as long as i'm not making some fundamental logic error
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: Does the "terrain" type of a room ever change dynamically? I know that sounds silly, but I see types of 'cloud', 'rain', 'sun', etc...
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it does not change dynamically
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: surprise! That desert is now a river. Muahaha.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: thanks :)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: there's also a terrain type of "areaexit"
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: ohh, so there is
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: certainly quite a list
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: we're up to at least 111 or thereabouts.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Trying to create a lua table, but getting an error that } is expected near : when I do something like: t = {"word1":"result1","word2":"result2"} and so forth.  Am I missing something?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think you use = not :
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'll try that then.  Thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and semicolons instead of commas
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Nope, still same errors, did one change, then tried both.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Calain Tech: t = {word1="result1",word2="result2"}
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli looks at Calain and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: The problem with that is the words have spaces in them. :\
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: t={["word one"]="result1",word2="result2"}
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Redryn.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Was just trying that out as right before you said it.  Thanks for confirming it!
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hehe, i remember having lots of syntax difficulties with tables before too :p
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: lua likes numerical entries
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: And thanks, Calain. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Redryn.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli is really loving Komodo Edit now. :D
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: My main output window in the new MUSH package seems to have no move bar - any ideas?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: It does.  It's all the way to the right.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Check the FAQ
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: I think that's like question #1 :P
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Sorry, meant moving the whole window - the hidden bar up the top
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Aha! Found it - was made into just the top-left corner, instead of all the way along, nvm
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: There should be a draggable section at the top, even though there's no actual bar
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I remember reading about a Planes mob-list plugin, anyone know about something like that?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hmm.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Using table.insert, I want to create somewhat of a nested table.  However, I can't do table.insert(t,["two words"]={["key1"]="val1",["key2"]="val2"}) -- is there a way to actually do that?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: in lua?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: why not just do t["two words"]={ blahblah}? i think something like that works
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: might need to initialise it first though
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hmmm... I'll try that.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: you can local table = { 1 = { vala = "a", valb = "b}}
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: i think
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Redryn hit it on the nose.  Thanks. :D
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hmm... doesn't seem to work via the trigger though... *ponder*  Will have to work on it.  (Sorry, working)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: does anyone know if midpssh client uses script? Telnet client
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: probably not
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Electrobite Tech: it has a built in trigger that doesnt make me quit
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: if I put a cexit in a room that doesn't need one to get to the next, will the mapper use it anyway?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cexit has priority
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (rather, I think last modified has priority)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: what is the order it grabs same exits in?  timestamp?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it used to be last modified. it isn't anymore
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: mapper doesn't seem to use the cexit to the labyrinth
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what is your cexit defined as?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: it's just "mapper cexit n"
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hold on
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: there it goes now, I just removed the cexit and put it in again. odd.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what room?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: the 3 rooms that are seperated from the portal to the maze itself wasn't quite clicking.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: when did you originally define that cexit?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: On the streets of Dharivian
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: Must have been a few weeks ago I guess.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do you remember what version you were using at the time?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: I can check, I used an older version until a couple days ago.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ok
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there was a bug at one point where single letter cexits wouldn't work. it was after I changed from ordering by timestamp to ordering by length and before remapping single letter exits to whole words
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's possible that you were just using an affected version
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: date modified 4/2/11
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you find more like that, just remake them and they should start working again
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: Nod, will do. Thanks.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Freight Tech: does anyone play on a mac, and if what so, what client do you use?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Okay, lua gurus, another question for you.  Given that I know how to construct a trigger pattern correctly, why is the following code "almost" working?  Pay no attention to the zs.param stuff - that populates properly.  What happens is that instead of what is contained in spuname, it actually puts... spuname.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: tfullspells = {}; local spusn = zs.param(1);local sputarget = zs.param(3);local spuduration = zs.param(4);local spuPct = zs.param(5);local spurecovery = zs.param(6);local sputype = zs.param(7);local spuname = zs.param(2);tfullspells = spuname={["SN"] = spusn, ["target"] = sputarget, ["duration"] = spuduration, ["Pct"] = spuPct, ["recovery"] = spurecovery, ["type"] = sputype}
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: my eyes are melting
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Just think of zs.param(#) as %# instead.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Does assignment return anything in lua?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: this seems wrong tfullspells = spuname=
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you have a double assignment there...
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: In C++, that's fine.  Not sure about lua
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at The Reaper Myrkul.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It should.  It worked when I put it directly into the command line.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: brak it out.. see if it fixes your poroblem.. if not.. then you have more readable code!
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: WinkleWinkle, you may be right.  Looking over history, I missed the { you put in there from before.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: cool :)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Just looked it up -- assignment does NOT return the value assigned in lua, like it does in c++
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: After making the change and running the script, print(tfullspells) returns - {"spuname":{"Pct":0,"target":0,"SN":498,"duration":0,"type":2,"recovery":-1}}
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It's capturing everything BUT the spuname, it seems...
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oh, you're trying to get that to expand?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: That looks like it's working fine to me
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: There's 6 entries in your table -- that's how many you put there
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It /should/ return (in that particular string) {"xochimiqui":{"Pct":0,"target":0,"SN":498,"duration":0,"type":2,"recovery":-1}} -- but it doesn't.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: "spuname" is the name of your variable
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Right.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It should expand that variable.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It expands every other local variable BUT that one.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: And adding 'print(spuname)' to the script prings out the proper information.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: send us your corrected code again.. i want to see it fresh
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: spuname is the NAME of the variable.  If you tell it to print spuname, it's going to print the CONTENTS of spuname, which is exactly what it's doing.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: tfullspells = {spuname ={["SN"] = spusn, ["target"] = sputarget, ["duration"] = spuduration, ["Pct"] = spuPct, ["recovery"] = spurecovery, ["type"] = sputype}}
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: he's trying to make the variable his key in the table
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli nods at Celanil.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It expands the contents of all other named variables, so why not spuname?  That's what I don't get.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: The contents of spuname is not spuname, but rather the spell name.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: because the others aren't keys :P
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: What are printing.  tfullspells, or spuname?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: tfullspells returns {"spuname":{"Pct":0,"target":0,"SN":498,"duration":0,"type":2,"recovery":-1}} -- if I put print(spuname) in the script, it prints out the proper spell.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: spuname is a variable that's equal to that table all that stuff.  tfullspells is a variable that's equal to the table containing spuname
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: what are you expecting it to print?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just fyi, multiple assignments in lua have explicitly undefined order
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: try tfullspells[spuname] = ... maybe?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so be careful when doing it
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: yeah go with Celanil's swuggestion
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: if you're adding it one at a time, Celanil's approach is better
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: that's going to print nil
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Order doesn't matter; that's why I'm doing ["Pct"] and whatnot... then I can just reference tfullspells["spell name"].Pct
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I guess I'm totally confused to what you're saying, Madcatz.  I'm expecting it to return a table full of spells with their respective information.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Etzli:  When you do this: tfullspells = {spuname ={["SN"] = spusn, ["target"] = sputarget, ["duration"] = spuduration, ["Pct"] = spuPct, ["recovery"] = spurecovery, ["type"] = sputype}}
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: It assigns all that stuff to spuname.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: that's what that equal sign after spuname means
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: it changes the value of spuname when you do that
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Hmm.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Actually, hold on that.  I might be wrong
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Yeah, scratch that
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, doing 'tfullspells[spuname] = {blah blah blah} returned nothing.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Let me start over:  What it's doing is creating a table called tfullspells.  It has one entry with key "spuname" and value that other table
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: the key shouldn't be "spuname" though
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: he's trying to get spuname, which also happens to be a variable, to expand
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But WHY would it have an entry of spuname?  I have the variable defined, so it should expand it, just like it does everything else (spuPct, spurecovery, etc)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: Ah, so you're wanting the key to be the contents of spuname.  I gotcha
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Celanil Tech: so the key would be the contents of spuname, not the literal string "spuname"
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I could understand if I had spuname in quotes, but it's not.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it should, however, be [spuname] because defining a key as keyname=blah creates a string index keyname
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fuzzy Madcatz nods at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: So... what should the corrected version be, then?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: The rest of the stuff that it's expaning aren't keys.  They're the values.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Ah, okay, now it's a little clearer... somewhat. :p
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: But /is/ there a corrected version, then?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: do tfullspells[spuname] = that stuff
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I did.  It returned an empty table.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "it returned"
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: print(tfullspells) returned [].
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: tfullspells[spuname] ={["SN"] = spusn, ["target"] = sputarget, ["duration"] = spuduration, ["Pct"] = spuPct, ["recovery"] = spurecovery, ["type"] = sputype}
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can't print a table
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Apparently you can, because I do it all the time. *ponder*
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: only with some syntactic sugar that isn't part of the language
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It might be because it's a json table, but it still works like a table and prints out.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: That's why I said this: print(tfullspells) returns - {"spuname":{"Pct":0,"target":0,"SN":498,"duration":0,"type":2,"recovery":-1}}
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which is exactly what I would expect to get from what you wrote
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because foo = {hello:10} does not expand the variable hello, it constructs a key as the string "hello"
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: What was spuname before you created that table.   Are you sure it wasn't nil?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: If you do what I wrote, it should create a table with the exact same construction as the table you were getting, but with the contents of spuname as the key instead of the string "spuname"
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: It wasn't nil.  Like I said, I have a print(spuname) in there.  As it goes through the slist spellup, it prints out the spell name properly.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Ah, you're right, Madcatz.  I think I might have to do a table.insert first though, as it only puts the last value in there.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: (The reason it wasn't populating before was because I had an extra }, it seems)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: If you do table.insert, the key is going to be an integer, and not whatever you want it to be
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, just found that out...
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli sighs.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I'll come back to it in a few - got a pick up to do.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: tfullspells[spuname] ={["SN"] = spusn, ["target"] = sputarget, ["duration"] = spuduration, ["Pct"] = spuPct, ["recovery"] = spurecovery, ["type"] = sputype} should work fine, assuming spuname isn't nil.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: (not sure what happens when you try to do foo[nil] = something)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: btw, you don't need all those brackets and quotes in there.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fuzzy Madcatz Tech: You can take them all out
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Yeah, with that syntax, it only put the last key in there, nothing else.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you'll get a runtime error "table index is nil"
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fuzzy Madcatz gives Ol' Dirty Fiendish a nod, saying, "OK".
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Well, yeah, it's only storing the last value, nothing else.  At least I have a backup for it, anyway... until I can figure this out.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't know what you mean by only storing the last vale
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: value
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Instead of storing all the spells, like I want it to do, it's only storing the last received line.  I suppose that's due to it not being a real 'table' despite how I define it.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: For instance, I should be able to print(tfullspells["willpower"].SN), but it returns nil.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: assuming you're assigning properly
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Assigning it the way Madcatz displayed.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I initialize the table first with tfullspells = {}, then populate it with tfullspells[spuname] ={SN=spusn ... etc}
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how often do you do tfullspells = {}?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Dear lord, I'm a moron.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: I saw it right after you said it... every time the damn trigger fired...
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Thanks, guys... it's populated now.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Any firefox experts on?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: eh?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trashbat! Anipopo Tech: i'm only a firefox journeyman
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Heh heh. Well, maybe you can help anyway, since I'm just a firefox idiot. My bookmarks are gone. I mean, the tab that lets you open 'em. I'm baffled.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trashbat! Anipopo Tech: on my machine show bookmarks is ctrl+shift+o
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Can't open 'em, can't create one. Used to be top-rightish, now just... gone
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: try Control + Shift + B.. or is that for chrome?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: ok, I'll try that.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Hmmm... ctrl/shift/b opened up a library with bookmark option, but there's nothing in it. This gets curiouser and curiouser.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trashbat! Anipopo Tech: are you running as a different user?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: Not to my knowledge. I'm the only one who uses this computer and I haven't done anything differently than I ever do. Just turn it off at night, boot it up in the morning.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhavage Tech: What's troubling isn't half so much that the bookmarks could have somehow been deleted (although that would be bad enough), it's that the tab that lets you open or make new ones is plain ol' gone.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: in cmud what is the trigger pattern i need to use for group in gmcp is it group.module?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, just group
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: ah ok thank you
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinigami Tech: anyone know what program is used to make the majority of maps on aard...for online use...looking for something to help with building
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "majority"
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: > 50%? :)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Alhena has an app on her website that is useful for creating graphical maps. Gaardian maps are built with an internal program
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sendokon Tech: can you assign the F keys to be a certain command like quaff potion or somthin
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_disable_F1_as_being_the_help_macro?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seriously, Salvanas Tech: You can. Check out the macros tab in the game options sidebar.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (my link assumes mushclient)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sendokon Tech: last
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sendokon Tech: sorry miss type
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: so....anyone ever wound up stuck on the bigmap in mush mapper, when they're inside an area?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: two for two.....can't seem to get off Abend.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ....or Alagh.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I've never had that problem, no
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: though we do know that your computer is basically broken ;)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what happens if you bigmap off?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (and then on again)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: there is that. :)   bigmap off...ok, trying that.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: disabled.  still seeing the bigmap, though.  trying to run somewhere.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmmmmmm
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: re-enabled.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: no change.  mapper will switch between (and follow on) continents, but won't enter areas.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I believe it had been working at some point in this session, but can't swear to it.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so it's not updating?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: no.  just the continents.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what about bigmap unmerge?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: displays a new window.  main mapper window still shows a continent.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huh
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: "protocol gmcp room"?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: tech sendgmcp request room
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: er without the tech
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: didn't return anything.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: could be a manifestation of the same black window thing
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: well, I'm glad I'm able to duplicate that so readily. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: haha
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: bigmap merge get rid of this new window?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see bigmap help
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ok, well....guess I'll restart in a bit, after this cp.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I guess the way to test if it's the black window thing is to restart both gmcp mapper and bigmap plugins
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: is there a way to suspend the mapper in aard client?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define suspend
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: yes.  install it on my computer. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: disable plugin?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: In related news, after getting black miniwins every half-hour, with a new update - none, very happy
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: completely disable so sw's are faster
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which new update?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: As of yesterday, not sure of the release date
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: speedwalks shouldn't be significantly faster with it on
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: update of what?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Updated MUSH and Bast
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: er, with it off
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: well this laptop is a pos
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can disable the plugin, I guess
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: is there a way to make an alias/trigger that can toggle plugins?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can actually programatically disable and re-enable the plugin via an alias
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe setpluginoption? not sure the function
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ok will check it out
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: hmm....got a bunch of trace stuff when I reinstalled the mapper.  but, it reinstalled.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: "Run-time error"
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: post it to me and I'll take a look later
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: "Run-time error"l
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: oh, and despite getting the "reinstalled" message, the mapper would appear to be not working.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: even inside areas?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: or outside areas?
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: the bigmap stuff still works, just not anything in areas.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish hrmphs for no apparent reason.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: sent the mapper plugin output from the reinstall.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: cool
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's because of the lua dll
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: put luajit back
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ok.
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: luajit includes features that stock lua doesn't
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: do they have esheep for windows 7?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shortbus Stutz Tech: anyone else having mapper issues?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no. define "issues"
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: mapper works great for me
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YnysMon Tech: intelligence based :)
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shortbus Stutz Tech: I keep getting GMCP error messages and then my mapper freezes.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: wuv it
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: perhaps if you reported the error message...
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: just need to teach it to open doors
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it can open doors just fine using cexits
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Obfuscated Ozu Tech: other than some personal issues nope, my mapper works as advertised
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Don't do that!  Remember what happened when velociraptors learned to open doors??
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: as I recall, it resulted in a bad movie.  we wouldn't want that to happen again.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: is there a page that describes all the features of the mapper?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mapper help
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shortbus Stutz Tech: hmmm. reinstalling gmcp_handler seemed to fix it. :)
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Obfuscated Ozu Tech: i have 8 GQ wins thanks to my mapper so i would say it works.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but you still haven't reported what the error was
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: allow me to rephrase. report the error or I'll dislike you.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: huh
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: has that ever happened to you before?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kurojiryuu Tech: anyone awesome at maths?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: I don't suppose someone could help with a minor problem that I could not google an answer for that worked?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Why wouldn't you suppose that?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: Because every other time I've asked a question, someone said 'well don't do that' or 'install linux'.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: Anyway, I'm trying to get Minecraft to run in win7 64 bit and have downloaded java 64bit but I try to run it and it's like 'lol  you have no java go to hell'.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Any other java apps working?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: Minecraft, that is.  I even edited the dang paths that I was supposed to.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: Yeah.  IE is happy and all.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Did you place it in your roaming folder?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: Granted this is a new laptop so that's all the info I have.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A FOOMING Mirrim nods at Witch-king Sammael.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: you...you run IE?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: I just got this yesterday!
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Egh. Mine seems to be running fine, but I have quite the old version.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: I haven't really had time to think about browsers and stuff as of yet.  For googling and downloading drivers and stuff, it's just fine.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Try downloading the emulator from Coolrom.com rather
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: I did.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: Got the latest version, the one from last month.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: Then download another one!
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: Download your face!
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Witch-king Sammael Tech: But I only emulate NDS and GBA, really.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: I do that ON my ds.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: Hup hup r4.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: Though with GBA I tend to use my psp
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: I'm technologically sketchy.  Is all this java trouble karma :(
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A FOOMING Mirrim Tech: Notch knows when I am sleeping, knows when I'm awake :(
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Lovely.  The problem that was so masterfully solved yesterday now decides to create a new headache and instead... somehow clears the table.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quintosh Tech: lol
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I like when my headache clears the table. it means she's also about to do dishes
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli snickers with Ol' Dirty Fiendish about their shared secret.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: Courier New under Wine is looking aweful in MUSHClient.. any suggestions on a different fixwidth font?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: consolas
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: for those unfamiliar with coding, I just stumbled across this http://www.codecademy.com/#!/exercise/0 . an interactive interface that teaches you code.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sommeil Tech: seems kinda silly/fun so far
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: anyone use a AVCHD format video camera? if so, what do you use to edit ?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: How do you check if something is part of a table?  I'm looping through one table, and I want to compare it to values on another table.  This, of course, being in lua.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you loop through the other table and compare to each item in it
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: either you index on the things you want to search for or you look at everything
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Additionally, in a string ands, how do you reference 'not equal'?  != doesn't work, and when I tried 'not v[1]' it failed.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: =
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm, tilde equals
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: ~=? Okay.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the mud doesn't like tildes :P
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ebullient Etzli Tech: Sure it does.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ebullient Etzli blinks innocently.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: ~
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: in CMud just use ` as your first character of the command you're sending.  The only character I've seen Aard eat was the @ for colorcodes.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: or @- = ~
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the mud eats tildes too apparently, dokkar
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ~hmmm~
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: so I have a trigger in zmud 7.21 that is supposed to clear a variable of it's list.  the function is #FORALL obs {#DELITEM mobs %i}
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: the pattern matches, yet the variable is not getting cleared.  it used to work.  any ideas on how to fix it?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it's generally a bad idea to modify the list you're looping through.  Since the loop is moot anyways, why not just do mobs = ""?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: hadn't thought of that.  let me try
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: nope, still didn't clear the variable...
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: it's a problem with the trigger.  the pattern matches but it's not firing.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: the pattern is ^[ Exits:
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: there is a tilde in ther
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: the pattern is ^ Exits:
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: the pattern is ^~[ Exits:
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: ok, it works when you take out the ^
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You might have tags exits on, you're just not seeing them because they're getting gagged by something else
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I think tags exits are inline
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: meh, still doesn't clear the variable though.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: OK, it's functioning again.  but the variable isn't staying in the class.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Typo Qurrm Kallendbor Tech: thanks for the help  :)
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: so I dont think I will be able to continue using the Fiendish Mushclient :(
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: Cant believe its so strict on the licensing
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Why do you say that Holliday?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: why not?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Doc  Holliday winks suggestively.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: just read it for the first time, thats pretty funny
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: Do what the f* you want to license lol
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: smooth
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Haha
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: In the end it's the license most likely to be followed...
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: what file has my explored rooms in MUSHclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: can someone please help me get my old mapped areas into a fresh install of MUSHclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc  Holliday Tech: copy the Aardwolf.db files over
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WinkleWinkle Tech: just copy over your aardwolf.db file  (and aardwolf-bookmakrs.db if you have one of those)
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: WinkleWinkle enthusiastically high-fives Doc  Holliday!
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: OK, I'll try it, thanks!
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Glocken Tech: what do i type in cmd in the clear label to hide the other buttons
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: wwhen I put the old db files back I get an error too
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drykwyrm Tech: I tried to put my old Aardwolf.db-shm and Aardwolf.db-wal files in the new install and now I get a mapper error
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: -shm and -wal files are indicative of you not closing mushclient first before trying to copy files
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL Tech: anyone got either g500 or g9x logitech mouse?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: does anyone have the inventory plug-in installed and working for mushclient?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: which one is "the"?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you mean the graphical inventory?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: yup.  the one that shows you what you have in a miniwindow
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it was never finished
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: so I imagine it doesn't work well
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think the author stopped playing :\
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsuyoki Tech: I have it with me right now.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: that sucks.  yeah, I tried using it and got a whole bunch of errors
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: does it work for you?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsuyoki Tech: The only error it gives me is when I press the title bar.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I posted a comment in a forum thread about it not too long ago about how to fix some of the errors
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but that still doesn't get it working fully
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsuyoki Tech: It does show all the items, though.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: really?  it wouldnt even pull up at all for me.  did you twik it at all tsu?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsuyoki Tech: No, surprisingly. It had some errors a long time ago, but seems to work now.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I got it working that far too, haven not bothered with it this time around
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsuyoki Tech: It even lets me wield or use items.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: see the last comment in the thread here to handle some of the errors: http://mushclient.com/forum/bbshowpost.php?id=9574&page=4
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think it didn't use the gmp way of capturing the data, but not sure
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: i dont know that much about the coding. . . where do I insert those lines of code?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I got everything to work but going inside backpacks
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there is a trigger named invheader somewhere near the top of the file
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: replace the match pattern for it
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I would love a plugin that simply underlines your inventory and creates mouseover windows with the available gmp data :)
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is there gmcp data for inventory?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: that would be awesome
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: nope
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I didn't think there was
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: of yeah sorry gmcp
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsuyoki Tech: Oh, hold on a moment. Mine's different.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: anyway, I don't use that plugin
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsuyoki Tech: It's this one. http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=8936
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just wanted to look at it for some reason and decided to fix that one bug
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: IRE has inventory data in their GMCP implementation, but Aard for sure does not (and no idea if Lasher plans on doing so)
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: lasher is pretty quick to add gmcp implementations for things when I ask him to
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daagar Tech: ask him, ask him! :)
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I think it sends information about the inventory at least i remember debug lines 
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't have a plan to make a functioning inventory plugin right now
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: if i dropped an item it send a line about that item, which made me think that plugin didnt really need its own caching
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: so that link.  I just copy and paste the code into. . . an xml file?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: that's the aardtagging, things like {invmon}, {invitem}, {invdetails}, and {invdata}.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: ow
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: but doesn't it boil down to the same?
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: that it can be used as an 'push' event instead of polling to change if there is changes.
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dokkar Tech: it does, but that's not GMCP
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: alright
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: ah reading aardwiki, well would be cool if it existed, since theres a decent amount of information about inventory all the time
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: so I installed the aardwolf_inventory_V3 but nothing
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: it told me to install player playing and afk, which I did.. . but no dice
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanfire Tech: guess I can't get it working. . . to bad